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Samsung isn't planning on releasing this phone on the big red until MAY30 WHICH is very close to June and isn't there going to be a couple phone in June around that same type with the new snapdragon 800 like that new moto phone coming out so I'm.curious wouldn't the new phone in June play the new gs4 obsolete ? Samsung gs4 release so late will make it its own demise ! why is Verizon releasing this phone so late i mean if there's a phone within the same month of the gs4 with twice the power then I won't consider the gs4 when I can wait just 2 weeks and buy somethin much more superior in hardware and stock android Samsung is about to lose a tons of money on Verizon if they wait all th way to may30 around the same month as sum very new phones with double the power .... Why didnt the gs4 release earlier ?? in may when moto announces there phone which will prob kill the gs4 in every way specs and software within 3week after the gs4 comes to store everyone will cancel there preorders and just wait and extra 3week to get the most powerful phone with a better screen n better snapdragon n prob more sensors and better battery and full stock android!
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Samsung gs4 release so late will make it its own demise ! Why didnt the gs4 release earlier ??
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That doesn't make a lot of sense. People in the U.S. typically get new phones when they become eligible so there's a steady stream of people year round looking to buy new phones no matter when they are released. People buy what pleases them. The DNA tanked on VZW and there were no other phones released before it or after it that caused its failure. And it was powerful and had the world's first 1080P display. People are still buying SGS3's in large quantities and probably will after the SGS4's out because the price will be reduced. The SGS4 will be on the market as a "flagship" for 9-12 months and Samsung's planning on selling 10MM a month. HTC, Motorola, LG, and Sony all introduced phones that competed with the SGS3 and it certainly didn't affect Samsung's sales last year. So there's no reason to expect it to this year either. And the average consumer doesn't know (or care) what a Snapdragon, Exynos, or Octa is.
Plenty of hot new phones came out after the Galaxy S3's July release in the U.S. like the Razr Maxx HD, Nexus 4, etc. yet the GS3 outsold all of them by a huge margin. The average consumer doesn't buy phones based mainly on hardware specs.
Verizon is launching it on may 23rd, not may 30th. I went to Verizon yesterday and there was a Samsung rep there showing the employees the s4 and they said the official launch date is the 23rd. I know that's still three weeks later than the rest, but at least its a week earlier than may 30th. I gotta question, is verizons s4 going to be harder to unlock and root than the rest of them? I heard Verizon likes to lock them down, and I've never owned a smartphone I've been holding out for this one. I own a nexus 7 which is obviously the easiest to unlock and root. But i know the s4 is a huge release so I'm kinda assuming that there will be a solid method to root for Verizon. Am i right?
According to official PR from Samsung today, it will be on all major US carriers by the end of April. I'm guessing April 30th.
The Galaxy S 4 is optimized for powerful performance on the nation’s fastest networks and will be available on AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile and Verizon Wireless as well as U.S. Cellular, Cricket and C Spire starting during April. Additionally, consumers can find the Galaxy S 4 at Best Buy and Best Buy Mobile, Costco, Radio Shack, Sam’s Club, Staples, Target and Wal-Mart. Exact pricing and retail availability will be announced by each of the carriers and retailers in the coming weeks.
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http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20687
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According to official PR from Samsung today, it will be on all major US carriers by the end of April. I'm guessing April 30th.
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20687
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Available to carriers and carriers making the phone available to consumers are two different things.
And for the OP... i am not sure how new phones will make the s4 obsolete? a cpu does not a phone make....
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Available to carriers and carriers making the phone available to consumers are two different things.
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But it says available on not to... I'm staying optimistic!
It also says "starting in april" that could mean that just one or a few carriers will roll it out in April.
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I.D.K. why the O.P. is saying that the galaxy s4 would be obsolete soon i mean come on the motorla x phone right now is just a nice looking rumor plus a processor in a phone doesn't make all that difference because maybe you saw last year's htc one X+ it smoked the galaxy but the battery was really bad plus i hardly ever think android needs more power right now they need to be more battery friendly and better screen really what do you want more than 441ppi ?? anyway looking at all those gs4 specs and concediring what happened with last year's gs3 i can tell you that the galaxy won't go down till the gs5 is out so don't worry if verizon goes a few weeks later than everyone else it will still sell like hot cakes.
I still have unlimited internet after 4/21 can I buy new galaxy s4 cell using the new 12 month payment plan that's effective on 4/21 without upgrading to the 200sub? Does anyone know I think everyone who still has unlimited internet should ask Verizon this.. I wanna get the new s4 but keep my unlimited internet so will this 12month thing work for me?
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I am going to tell you right now that Verizon's phones are the worst due to the spyware they bloat them up with. I hope they do as little to it as possible and there's no way verizon is going to pay for a S800 S4. They are cheap when it comes to there phones and replacing one that has gone bad is near impossible unless you take them to the FCC. If they ever touch my unlimited, I am gone with out a hint of doubt.
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I am going to tell you right now that Verizon's phones are the worst due to the spyware they bloat them up with. I hope they do as little to it as possible and there's no way verizon is going to pay for a S800 S4. They are cheap when it comes to there phones and replacing one that has gone bad is near impossible unless you take them to the FCC. If they ever touch my unlimited, I am gone with out a hint of doubt.
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I actually find that replacing phones is very easy on verizon compared to sprint. I had sprint in the past and their customer service was atrocious. The Fascinate (Verizon Galaxy S) apparently had lots of problems, and they kept getting replaced until the Droid Charge came out, when Verizon just started giving out Charges to replace Fascinates.
The Charge had some problems too, and if you got enough bad ones from them, they even started handing out the Bionic, Rezound, and Razr too (phones that came out later with much higher specs). I even bricked my Charge and they just gave me a new one.
Verizon web page updated with Galaxy S4
Verizon web page updated today with Galaxy S4
The next big thing is coming.....late
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They had to post something. The basically are going to be releasing with the third world, lol. Its ALWAYS something with them. They did their best to wreck the galaxy nexus, they were in on the Carrier IQ scandal, they have to plaster their dated logo on everything, and they sell pretty much the most bloated phones in existence. Yes, they have a good network, but frankly, I live in DFW...all the carriers have good networks here. It's flat, populated and affluent.
I have an upgrade, but their delay conveniently puts me within a month of my contract ending. My wife gets a ~25% discount through work, but I can get 15% on T-Mobile, and with the massive price difference, it actually makes T-mobile a better deal. I may even pickup up a used N4, get the $30 walmart plan thing, and wait for the Note III.
I guess as someone that pays attention and is tired of getting screwed and treated like an idiot sheep, I am just not their target market.
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They had to post something. The basically are going to be releasing with the third world, lol. Its ALWAYS something with them. They did their best to wreck the galaxy nexus, they were in on the Carrier IQ scandal, they have to plaster their dated logo on everything, and they sell pretty much the most bloated phones in existence. Yes, they have a good network, but frankly, I live in DFW...all the carriers have good networks here. It's flat, populated and affluent.
I have an upgrade, but their delay conveniently puts me within a month of my contract ending. My wife gets a ~25% discount through work, but I can get 15% on T-Mobile, and with the massive price difference, it actually makes T-mobile a better deal. I may even pickup up a used N4, get the $30 walmart plan thing, and wait for the Note III.
I guess as someone that pays attention and is tired of getting screwed and treated like an idiot sheep, I am just not their target market.
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I don't know exactly which options you're choosing, but if you do the math I suspect you'll find that T-Mobile isn't the better deal. I've been doing research recently for an upgrade myself, and I found that corporate discounts actually significantly narrow the gap between T-Mobile and Verizon. Reason is because with T-Mobile ditching subsidies but lowering the monthly bill, the value of a discount on that smaller monthly bill is proportionately less. If you factor in the fact that a full price GS4 on T-Mobile is $630 vs $200 for Verizon, Verizon might actually come out ahead over the course of 2 years.
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I don't know exactly which options you're choosing, but if you do the math I suspect you'll find that T-Mobile isn't the better deal. I've been doing research recently for an upgrade myself, and I found that corporate discounts actually significantly narrow the gap between T-Mobile and Verizon. Reason is because with T-Mobile ditching subsidies but lowering the monthly bill, the value of a discount on that smaller monthly bill is proportionately less. If you factor in the fact that a full price GS4 on T-Mobile is $630 vs $200 for Verizon, Verizon might actually come out ahead over the course of 2 years.
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If he used like 1GB a month sure it would cost less, but Verizon's network has really gone down the drain in the bigger citys. May as well have sprint 3G at times it get's so bad. Now if you live in bum ville sure Verzion win's. But he live's in the city so data speeds will be better on T-moblie.
Also no unlimited data any more with verizon and those like me that still have it get throttled.
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I have an upgrade, but their delay conveniently puts me within a month of my contract ending.
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If you're considering using an upgrade, that means you don't have unlimited, in which case my question is... why bother with VZ?
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Also no unlimited data any more with verizon and those like me that still have it get throttled.
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It's not throttled. When the network isn't congested (as you say, places like NYC during the day are crap) I still get great speeds.
I was very excited at the notion of getting my N3 today. I drive like a mad man to the Sprint store closest to my home. I was expecting to see SOME type of crowd...(2 p.m.).the store was absolutely empty! So I tell the rep that I want to buy the N3, she said they never got any, not even 1 for launch day? In fact, she said that during the morning conference call, there was no mention of the N3 at all, WTF? She didn't know model numbers or anything else about it, do people really hate the Samsung line that much? After driving to the 3rd Sprint store, I bought the only one that was shipped to their store. Overall, I'm kind of miffed that even the store reps aren't/weren't prepared, knowledgeable or even slightly enthusiastic about this launch, but I'm glad I got my phone!
i went straight to best buy and got mine this morning but they did say they had a limited quantity and no accessories.. so i went to the sprint store around the corner to get a case.
they were excited to see mine said they have never seen the phone and didnt get any in
Local Clearwater store had plenty. Despite all the hype of the Note 3, it's always a sleeper at the Sprint store. The same thing happened last year at the Note 2 launch, and that was even more of a bigger hype since it is the first time the Note series is available from Sprint.
You took the time to complain because there was no rabid crowd like the iPhone zealots do every year? You should be thankful. The store I was at had limited stock AND some stores got their shipments and could not locate them.
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You took the time to complain because there was no rabid crowd like the iPhone zealots do every year? You should be thankful. The store I was at had limited stock AND some stores got their shipments and could not locate them.
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The sprint store here didn't receive theirs and one radioshack only got white ones while the other didn't get theirs at all. I just decided to order mine straight from sprint to avoid everything and to keep myself from being tempted into a white one.
No sign, accessories, or display model at the one i was at. However i was the 4th one sold within the hour.
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I had an appointment at Best Buy for 10:00 a.m. this morning. There weren't many people when I arrived but by the time I was done (took almost an hour!) there was a line of about a dozen people and and lots of talk about the Note 3.
Overall I am much more impressed with the look of the phone and the soft texture of the back; much better than I thought it might be based on many comments in the forums.
Best Buy also had the Galaxy Gear but it was tethered and the security device made the watch look so thick and impossible to test fit. The whole presentation did nothing to help sell the device. Overall from what I could see it looked nice but not for $300. I think Samsung and/or Best Buy really missed an opportunity by not offering some kind of Note/Gear bundle. Even $50 discount might have made me consider getting both.
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You took the time to complain because there was no rabid crowd like the iPhone zealots do every year? You should be thankful. The store I was at had limited stock AND some stores got their shipments and could not locate them.
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I was passing on an observation, not really meant to be a complaint. But it was if they had no idea that it was a launch date, no display units, no in-store posters, like they hadn't even heard of the phone. I just found it strange, maybe others here don't.
All the stores in Dallas/Ft.Worth got at least 10-20. I got there at 9am with 1 guy waiting and by the time i left after i kept telling the salesman i dont have to give them my phone that is not under contract..... I saw about 4 people leave the store with them.
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I was passing on an observation, not really meant to be a complaint. But it was if they had no idea that it was a launch date, no display units, no in-store posters, like they hadn't even heard of the phone. I just found it strange, maybe others here don't.
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We are smartphone enthusiasts. Sprint employees or corporate generally do not care. If they do, they would be working with Sony to push their XPERIA line. With a little encouragement and dealing, Sony will add a CDMA version. Look at the mistake with the uniband Note 3 and the lack of waterproof phone.
Get a couple of enthusiasts from XDA to the Sprint corporate board room and the company will be profitable real fast. Sprint corporate is often clueless just like the people at HP, just like the idiots at LG and HTC that decides their phone do not need an SD card. They make $5 mistake that cost them lots of unsold phones and hundreds of millions. Samsung don't have to beat them when they keep making stupid decision like that. Of course, this is just IMHO.
If I was managing the Sprint corporate store, you bet I will be promoting the Note 3 or any flagship phone launch with posters, display, cases, hooking it up to the smart dock, etc.. Look at the home page at Sprint. They are pushing the Iphones. Nothing wrong with that but they should be pushing any new flagship phone launch. They do not have the passion like the John Legre dude at T Mobile.
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I was passing on an observation, not really meant to be a complaint. But it was if they had no idea that it was a launch date, no display units, no in-store posters, like they hadn't even heard of the phone. I just found it strange, maybe others here don't.
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Thats because no one is trying to hear they only have one option for a plan. lol If you start advertising the Note 3 also people need to be informed that there plan is changing. People hate switching plans especially when the store reps even have a hard time explaining the new plans. Most people can care less about a new phone every yr. We are the minority. I personally thought you get $15 off the plan immediately. Then they tell me you have to wait 2 months. Just very confusing.
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Thats because no one is trying to hear they only have one option for a plan. lol If you start advertising the Note 3 also people need to be informed that there plan is changing. People hate switching plans especially when the store reps even have a hard time explaining the new plans. Most people can care less about a new phone every yr. We are the minority. I personally thought you get $15 off the plan immediately. Then they tell me you have to wait 2 months. Just very confusing.
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You have to wait 2 months for the 15$ off to kick in? They surely didn't tell me that.
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I pre ordered mine at the best buy in metro Detroit and had mine when I get off work at 2 pm. I got the black one
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I called sprint to get my upgrade today and the rep was asking me questions on how the galaxy gear worked. Lol.
He said they get a tiny ass powerpoint about the basics and that's it. When I worked for Apple (worst company), I would research online so that I knew everything. Better customer service, better results.
C'mon Sprint. Step your game up.
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Got mine and a Gear, I really like the Gear. It really compliments the Note.
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My Sprint store got the boxes from UPS as I arrived at 10am. They even had a Samsung Rep on hand doing Note 3 demos and Galaxy Gear. Cases were limited, all they had was the Body Glove case which is actually pretty nice. Overall this is a great phone and im so happy I exchanged my HTC One for this.
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You took the time to complain because there was no rabid crowd like the iPhone zealots do every year? You should be thankful. The store I was at had limited stock AND some stores got their shipments and could not locate them.
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My sentiments exactly. I dread going to my corporate sprint store. Yesterday, however, i was plesantly suprised that there was no traffic and i was served instantly upon walking into the store. TWICE. By 12 tho, it was filling up and i was glad i was finished.
It is very weird, regardless of what some will have you believe. I was first at one of my local stores to get one (was the only one in the store for the hour or so it took to futz with my account and activate the phone. Got there at store opening). They had not even taken them out of the shipping box yet. Had to go back to the store this morning and they said that I am still the only one to have gotten one. Inexplicable.
I realize the price bump to give preference to Apple (don't agree with it, but understand) but it's almost like Sprint didn't even want this phone to launch at all. Last to announce launch date. No marketing at all. With millions of Note and Note 2's sold, and several million Note 3's already sold world wide, I really can't figure out what's going on. I have seen companies do a lot of weird things, but whatever is going on with Sprint and the Note 3 is beyond me. Sprint's overall lineup of phones is horrendous anyway, getting a true flagship phone should be more of a big deal to them.
I have to say that I love this phone. Coming from a beat up Epic 4G Touch, this is like upgrading from a Pentium 4 to an i7. This is also the first time I have been able to use LTE and I love it.
There is a business aspect to this. Now trust me I don't want to give Sprint more credit than they deserve for being smart because at the retail level they are any thing but smart. However, the bigger push for Apple in all the stores may be a business decision and by design. If you recall, Sprint had to commit to hundreds of millions if dollars to Apple when they got the iPhone line.
Retail stinks anyhow for all manufacturers. I used to be a vp of salrs for a PC company and always felt like being held hostage to retail reps who can't add any value. I recall the days of ComputerLand when I got them to carry my new really cool laptop. There were two versions and we spent a lot of money and time training and motivating their retail team for the launch. I secret shopped the stores and when I asked the sales team what was the difference between model 1 and 2 he said $199 ....I was smart enough to calculate that myself ....the price was on the display.
Yesterday was another good example. I went to the Sprint store and there were no notes on display although they were in inventory. Then I drove to the Best Buy mobile store. Again nothing on display but a bunch in stock. Talked to store manager who said she was given a demo unit by Samsung a few days ago but didn't open it. She also had a Gear which she said she hasn't opened.
A Samsung experience in BestBuy stores is a good idea to help overcome the retail inefficiencies but ultimately we will pay the extra cost. No wonder internet commerce is a multi billion dollar channel
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There is a business aspect to this. Now trust me I don't want to give Sprint more credit than they deserve for being smart because at the retail level they are any thing but smart. However, the bigger push for Apple in all the stores may be a business decision and by design. If you recall, Sprint had to commit to hundreds of millions if dollars to Apple when they got the iPhone line.
Retail stinks anyhow for all manufacturers. I used to be a vp of salrs for a PC company and always felt like being held hostage to retail reps who can't add any value. I recall the days of ComputerLand when I got them to carry my new really cool laptop. There were two versions and we spent a lot of money and time training and motivating their retail team for the launch. I secret shopped the stores and when I asked the sales team what was the difference between model 1 and 2 he said $199 ....I was smart enough to calculate that myself ....the price was on the display.
Yesterday was another good example. I went to the Sprint store and there were no notes on display although they were in inventory. Then I drove to the Best Buy mobile store. Again nothing on display but a bunch in stock. Talked to store manager who said she was given a demo unit by Samsung a few days ago but didn't open it. She also had a Gear which she said she hasn't opened.
A Samsung experience in BestBuy stores is a good idea to help overcome the retail inefficiencies but ultimately we will pay the extra cost. No wonder internet commerce is a multi billion dollar channel
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I almost teared up reading this........ Everything you have stated is correct...
Sprint isn't a very effective VAR for Samsung products and I think they are in so deep with the fruit that they are beginning to regret their metric quotas they are obligated to meet on a quarterly basis in order to be in compliance with the distribution contract they signed in order to get into the very lucrative (Icraze) business model/ecosystem.
I wish Samsung would open a retail brick and mortar but the cult-ish following isn't near the same level as Apple.
So for the near future, we will have to go through the regular channels and hopefully the Samsung experience @ BB can get a foothold and become a starting off point for something better and a more customer orientated experience for Samsung users.
Amazing, they still only have the note 2 out? Sometimes I really, really wonder if people even try. Here's the most powerful phone out right now and you don't even displace the note 2 that's on display?
Are they just trying to clear out note 2 stock?
Took me a little while to find one. (They lie)
Bought it off contract. The sales rep said they didn't have any more Note 3 in stock. I asked the manager, and they magically found one.
The sales guy the entire time was being an asshole, because they don't collect commission on off contract sales.
Did you ask them? I asked and I received. They had a note 2 on display also.
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not to defend them, but there are a lot of Verizon Stores that look like the official stores, but are only "authorized retailers." These places tend to not have the latest phones. I've been in two separate legitimate VZ stores since launch.... both of them had the N3 on display.
That is interesting. I visited two different Verizon corporate stores (not resellers) before launch, and they both assured me there would be plenty of Note 3s available for purchase on October 10. I didn't preorder because I figured I'd have no problem getting one on release day (which was correct). Did you try other stores?
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They sell enough iPhones now that they don't care too much about android powered devices.
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They sell enough iPhones now that they don't care too much about android powered devices.
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I wouldn't say they don't care about android at all. They paid a ton of money for the Droid license, so Verizon probably wants salespeople to push those over other android phones. But iphone doesn't need to be pushed. Most iphone buyers walk into stores knowing that is what they will get. It's the sheep mentality.
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Took me a little while to find one. (They lie)
Bought it off contract. The sales rep said they didn't have any more Note 3 in stock. I asked the manager, and they magically found one.
The sales guy the entire time was being an asshole, because they don't collect commission on off contract sales.
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Same thing happened to me, I was told by the local corp store that they had plenty of both colors in stock but when I said I was paying full retail they lied and said they had sold out. So I went home, waited an hour and called them and was told they had plenty in stock. I explained that I was just in the store and they were out, and then was told they just got a shipment. So I go back to the store and a different clerk tells me they have them in stock, but when she finds out I am paying full retail she then says she cannot sell me a phone because all of their Note 3s are "allocated ". Store manager was an ass. I then went to bestbuy about 30 minutes away but they were sold out, then I saw another verizon corp store so I tried it and had no problem. In fact they even offered me a 6gb upgrade plan with a free watch for the same price, if I would give up unlimited data.
Very upset that my local verizon store lied to me and then became very rude about not selling me a phone at full retail.
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I wouldn't say they don't care about android at all. They paid a ton of money for the Droid license, so Verizon probably wants salespeople to push those over other android phones. But iphone doesn't need to be pushed. Most iphone buyers walk into stores knowing that is what they will get. It's the sheep mentality.
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You're right about the Droid branding. However, I'm willing to bet with all the iSheep and the sales they generate that Verizon cares far less about android than they used to.
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Same thing happened to me... Very upset that my local verizon store lied to me and then became very rude about not selling me a phone at full retail.
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What a bunch of douchebags. I am surprised that store sells anything to anyone.
I discovered long ago that making a friend at a phone store can change your whole experience. If I were you, I would do some social engineering at the store farther away, and never go back to the local store. I would also file a complaint, either by calling Verizon or via their web site. And mention employee names if you remember them. It may not change anything, but then again it might. Some of those employees may have a complaint file, and yours may be the final straw. At the very least, you will have a little satisfaction of having done *something*.
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I went to two corporate stores and only 1 had it a note 3 on display. Given the other store was partially under construction. While I was there it looks like the contractors blew a circuit since a bank of phones stopped charging and the display went dark.
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not to defend them, but there are a lot of Verizon Stores that look like the official stores, but are only "authorized retailers." These places tend to not have the latest phones. I've been in two separate legitimate VZ stores since launch.... both of them had the N3 on display.
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The authorized dealers don't have real phones on display..they only have dummy phones.
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The authorized dealers don't have real phones on display..they only have dummy phones.
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Well that's just not true at all. And generally Verizon screws the indirect channel of stores and makes new phones (note 3) very unprofitable. They try to put out the phones that generate the most profit and so we're clear is never iPhones (everybody and their mother just wants one) They're not lazy.... They're just trying to run a business.
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Well that's just not true at all. And generally Verizon screws the indirect channel of stores and makes new phones (note 3) very unprofitable. They try to put out the phones that generate the most profit and so we're clear is never iPhones (everybody and their mother just wants one) They're not lazy.... They're just trying to run a business.
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I work for a Verizon retailer. The store never makes a large amount of money on the high end phones. There is a slim margin for profit on the high end devices. We have live displays of every high end phone and we typically get them on launch day. The only exception is with iphones where we get them a week or so after launch. There are several different types of Verizon retailers you can go to. Some are authorized sellers, some are premium retailers etc... What sucks is it really does vary location to location.
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I know the 6P won't be sold through the carriers, at least not right away. I'm a Tmo subscriber and I was a little disappointed at first but buying the phone and paying for it in full is always the best route.
With that being said are you with Tmo? What area of the country are you in? Having issues or are new services going live? Questions about service with past or the new nexus device? Let's keep each other updated with what's going on with our carrier.
I've had just about every nexus phone while on Tmo. I had spotty service for awhile but over the years service has gotten much better for me in the Orlando area. This past year I've seen almost all the 3g towers turn into LTE. I got to use HD voice for the first time on my nexus 6. VOLTE got turned on. Band 12 going live (although not in my area, I've used it in other FL markets) Going forward to the 6P are we going lose some of these? I've already seen a report that band 12 will not be unlocked at launch for our device. Will volte be available? HD voice? None of these are deal breakers but it would suck to have such a cutting edge device yet it can't access some basic phone functions. What are your thoughts/insight?
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when they see that sales are going down they will be dropping the price and eipin the phone just take a couple months
But i dont want to wait that long.. Ive saved my Jump and wanted the newest nexus again... Damn you
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But i dont want to wait that long.. Ive saved my Jump and wanted the newest nexus again... Damn you
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why even bother with the jump program? buy phone outright and sell old phone. no restrictions, change phones whenever you want and probably cheaper.
unknown1205 said:
why even bother with the jump program? buy phone outright and sell old phone. no restrictions, change phones whenever you want and probably cheaper.
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I'm not a fan of jump either however not everyone can afford the full price, some people are fortunate to be able to.
I guess it's kinda like leasing your car but of course a way lower price.
I love buying unlocked phones and now that tmobiles prices are so low it really works out
Even with the jump program you are paying full price for the phone. It just gives you the option to trade in without worrying about negative equity, like a car. But I guarantee you the first time you buy a new car cash you'll set yourself up for life to never have a car payment again, this is so much easier to do with a phone... So much easier.
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SymbioticGenius said:
Even with the jump program you are paying full price for the phone. It just gives you the option to trade in without worrying about negative equity, like a car. But I guarantee you the first time you buy a new car cash you'll set yourself up for life to never have a car payment again, this is so much easier to do with a phone... So much easier.
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I think most people who get the jump program get it because they can't afford to pay the full price up front, even if they are paying the same in the end or maybe sometimes you pay more for a device when you could've gotten an unlocked device (same or better) for cheaper
I actually began my Nexus 6 purchase through finance. I figured hey, it's 0% who cares. I started to think of bills and life from a more DTI based perspective vs my older, borrow at low or no interest and invest to get more mindset.
Once you start paying off everything with a payment (no matter how low the interest) you start to have so much excess cash monthly that you realize WTF you've been doing wrong your whole life. It also makes it a lot easier to save and invest.
Anyway back on topic, I don't think carriers will be getting the 6P. But if anyone did, it would probably be T-Mobile
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if anyone did, it would probably be T-Mobile
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Since the thing will not be supporting band 12 on t-mobile, at least not right away, I'd think not.
Edit: Hah! Soon!
https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/3mzygu/google_nexus_team_ama_working_to_get_band_12/
Why pay full price for the phone? I have the original Jump program. So i pay $27/Month. In one year I paid $324 and traded the phone in for the next Nexus. I didnt have to shell out the full $650. I dont know but it works fine for me. Only phone i care about are the nexus devices. Its a Big deal when i can simply walk into the store hand them my old phone keep all my Chargers and accessories and walk out with a new phone paying only taxes..
I just pre-ordered one and I feel that Jump may not offer a good deal. I've been hearing a lot about Google Fi so that does seem like a better option overall. Also, you would lose out on the $50 play credit and three months of free Google Play Music unless you get it before Oct 25. I'll be using mine for T-Mobile and I'd only hold on ordering to look over reviews, but it's a Nexus device so it should be pretty solid. I agree with many in here that not everyone can pay full price, but with Jump you are still paying quite a bit of money. It's just better to buy it up front then sell the old phone after.
One of the things mentioned in the Reddit AMA today was they're attempting to work with TMobile on getting the Band 12 turned on prior to the device getting to everyone. So at least they're acknowledging the issue.
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They're not selling the Nexus 6P in U.S. carrier stores... So we don't have the option to use Jump! or Jump! On Demand. I have a Galaxy S6 on Jump! On Demand that I'm a few months into... I purchased a 6P outright and will use 1 of my 3 upgrades w/ T-Moible to go w/ something else, and not pay a dime at the store. I switch phones a TON so for me Jump! On Demand is awesome. I will say though, once I am done with this current EIP, I will try to stay with unlocked phones and just pay outright for them. My monthly bill will be a lot cheaper.
As far as the band 12 support; if they get it fixed by ship date, great. If not, oh well... I don't have access to band 12 where I am (Columbus, Ohio), so I'm not missing anything if they don't have it fixed. I'm sure when/if it gets activated here this will be fixed.
In the Reddit AMA;
They ignored every question about why they are not selling through US Carriers. This was the most commonly asked question.
I'm like thinking, that's one of the most important questions, why will this not be sold in U.S. Carrier stores ? Especially T-Mobile stores, as they have carried and stocked every single Nexus phone the past six years. I could see Verizon or ATT not selling it, but T-Mobile has been a big supporter of the Nexus phones, as far as carriers go.
So the Nexus 6P will be nowhere to be seen or played with in stores, you just have to hope you think you'll like it and order it online only ? That's crazy. I always want to hold it in hand, mess around it with it for 30 minutes in the store, really get a feel for the phone, before deciding.
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In the Reddit AMA;
They ignored every question about why they are not selling through US Carriers. This was the most commonly asked question.
I'm like thinking, that's one of the most important questions, why will this not be sold in U.S. Carrier stores ? Especially T-Mobile stores, as they have carried and stocked every single Nexus phone the past six years. I could see Verizon or ATT not selling it, but T-Mobile has been a big supporter of the Nexus phones, as far as carriers go.
So the Nexus 6P will be nowhere to be seen or played with in stores, you just have to hope you think you'll like it and order it online only ? That's crazy. I always want to hold it in hand, mess around it with it for 30 minutes in the store, really get a feel for the phone, before deciding.
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I'm sure that They will be available at some point. Google has given exclusivity for the first couple months before, this time it's to themselves. Maybe they want to get the preorders out without a disaster like previous releases. On the bright side we get great pricing compared to the rest of the world
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Yeah, Rumor is they could offer them in stores later this month to avoid the instant rush of phone orders. They sell direct first then allow carries to carry a few models if wanted.
That Reddit AMA was filled with tons of questions asking about U.S. Carrier availability, and they didn't respond once.
Wonder if that got them thinking, hey maybe we should put this out to T-Mobile and other carriers maybe ? I could see that happening after the rush of Play Store orders, and be in stores come December. I bet T-Mobile at least carries it by Christmas, just my guess.
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That Reddit AMA was filled with tons of questions asking about U.S. Carrier availability, and they didn't respond once.
Wonder if that got them thinking, hey maybe we should put this out to T-Mobile and other carriers maybe ? I could see that happening after the rush of Play Store orders, and be in stores come December. I bet T-Mobile at least carries it by Christmas, just my guess.
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I'm wondering if part of the reason is so they can say see how many devices we sold without you, you're not getting customized builds this time.
If they announce carrier availability it would just eat into their own direct sales.
I'd be shocked if this doesn't ultimately get on carriers in a quarter or so.
I'm still upset no Nexus 6P at U.S. Carrier stores, especially T-Mobile.
And I call BS on Google's excuse, that they want full control and no carrier slow downs no carrier involvement mucking things up.
Apple
Carriers don't get in the way of Apple and iOS updates. A Verizon or ATT iPhone 6S get's updated straight from Apple, you don't see Verizon users waiting longer for the iOS update, than an international iPhone user, or Apple having to give the update to ATT first and then let them, hand out the update later to it's customers.
Nope, if you have a Sprint, or T-Mobile, or Verizon iPhone, you just go to iTunes or Apple for the update, and they have the update available at the exact the same time, no matter which carrier phone you own.
My point is, carriers aren't in the way whatsoever, and Apple sells a **** ton of iPhone's through these carriers. How many sales of iPhone's are done directly through the Apple store and site only, like Google wants people to buy the Nexus 6P through the Play Store only ?
Google should sell the Nexus 6P at U.S. Carrier stores, and not give the BS excuse it's because of updates or some crap.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...ware-nexus-5x-and-6p-not-meeting-sales-goals/
- HTC is still in talks to build the next Nexus phone(s).
- Google takes a 15% cut of the sales price of Nexus phones it sells, but it hasn't always done this, and on some past devices has taken no cut at all.
- The "most recent" Nexus phones (5X, 6P) have not met their "optimistic" internal sales goals at Google.
- The Nexus 5 (2013) was the best-selling Nexus phone of all time.
- That the 5X and 6P aren't being sold by any US carriers is a point of "significant consternation" for people involved with the Nexus program.
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The 6P and 5X not reaching sales goals ? No ****, because they're not sold in Carrier stores this time. If the iPhone 7 is only sold on the Apple website for $700, no payment plan, you betcha ass sales will suck and be way down. If Google wants sales, they need to put it on all major carriers, BUT ALSO advertise the crap out of it like no tomorrow, and have promotions for it in the stores.
But just throwing it up on the Google website, and saying, her we have a phone we're selling, just give us $600 and it's yours. No **** Sherlock it's not selling well.
Plus in Europe the price was a joke. Too expensive. The only ones who buy a Nexus these days are Nexus fans. The N6P 32gb costs 650-700 euros in EU while the S6 32gb costs 400-450 and the G4 400. So no surprise here. Time to get serious with the Nexus line and stop ripping off geeks and Nexus fans.
Another kick in the balls is the major price drop that comes like 9 months later. Brand new the Nexus 6P is like $600 or so, and then in the spring watch it come down to like $399, and then late Summer will be like $299 brand new still.
I cant imagine carriers will be happy selling an Unlocked phone below the prices of other phones of the same caliber. Id also imagine carriers would want to mark up the phones some how. Also Id imagine other cell phone makers wouldnt be too happy. Imagine Samsung or LG putting their $650 phone out at verizon and then a $500 Nexus 6P shows up being financed through the carrier also. Probably the reason carriers had the Nexus 6 because it came out at the same price as other flagships. Plus carriers wanna put their bloat crap on the phones also.
It does seem google has actually advertised the 5x and 6p. Ive seen a lot of commercials for them. Cant say I ever saw a Nexus 6 commercial.
I think a big reason the sales also aren't up to snuff is the phones just now are being sold in Best Buy. A lot of customers want to hold the phone and see if they like it. Its taken forever for them to just get to best buy and they still don't have phones on display for customers to see. I think best buys having a dedicated nexus booth would help immensely.
Does Worst Buy I mean Best Buy actually have the 6P on display in the store ? My local Best Buy's around Chicago, have a very tiny little Google section off in the corner, and no phones, just the Chrome notebooks, not even the HTC 9 Tablet. So not sure what those Google sections in BB are for if they don't even carry or display the main Nexus devices ?
I agree with OP's opinion, people just DON'T KNOW about these Nexus phones.
There was an article recently stating that Google wants to take more direct control of the Nexus phones, and copy Apple and the iPhone.
Look at the iPhone, it's sold at all major phone carriers stores, with subsidized payments plans. And Apple updates the iPhone whenever the hell they need to, and NEVER let the carriers get in the way of an iOS update. The carriers are sort of agnostic to it.
Google can do the same thing with the Nexus phones just like Apple and the iPhone with complete direct control.
And Jordan used to say "Just do it"
Here in Canada, the Nexus 6p was the best deal on a phone through Telus. $200 for the 6p on a 2yr plan, but $300 or $400 for the Note 5. So it actually was discounted, and made the most sense.
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Here in Canada, the Nexus 6p was the best deal on a phone through Telus. $200 for the 6p on a 2yr plan, but $300 or $400 for the Note 5. So it actually was discounted, and made the most sense.
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or $0 for some of us on Black Friday
I was actually able to get a 6P because it was supplied by O2. Otherwise I wouldn't have got one, I like to have it part of my phone contract. Most people in the UK have phones on contract.
I'm happily with T-Mobile, and on their JoD ( Jump on Demand ) program, and expected the Nexus 6P would be available on T-Mobile of all carriers, because they have been the only carrier to support the Nexus phone line from the very beginning, selling the Nexus-One, and stocking and selling the Nexus-S, Nexus 4, Nexus 5, and Nexus 6.
For me it makes zero sense to spend $600 with Google to get the 6P, when on JoD program, so I just used my one of three upgrades on the Note 5, which I rooted and installed a great custom ROM, and this phone screams But I would prefer the Nexus 6P. But at this point, with the 6P being almost 5 months old, I'll just wait for a nice SD820 phone, like the G5 ( with CM13 ROM ) or something else.
It's no surprise that they aren't selling well - they're mediocre phones selling at premium prices. I lol at anyone who buys a nexus - and feel sorry for them too.
The (2013) Nexus 5 was $399 at launch, and had pretty much flagships high end spec's at the time, it was a super deal. Now the 5X comes out at a similar price but with lesser budget spec's. WTF Google ?
Sales, marketing, distribution, and support are intertwined. Any expectation Google has/had about 2015 sales would be determined by their investments in those things as well as the depth of each category.
Huawei has no U.S. support infrastructure and doesn’t even have the facility to offer owners paid non-warranty repairs. I’m sure that played in to the U.S. carrier’s decision not to offer the 6P. Folks that view Nexus as just another phone have to really want one to live with limited support or be forced in to buying a warranty for non-warranty repairs even if they don’t normally.
Without the U.S. carrier’s offering the phone where are mainstream consumers going to buy it? 67% of smartphones sold in the U.S. are on carrier post-paid plans (installment and contract). The majority of the rest are low-end prepaid smartphones purchased outright. The percentage of people buying their own $500+ high-end smartphones outright via third parties is probably in the single digit percentages; at least in the U.S. With limited distribution Google has to have known the consequences of the phones being offered via so few channels.
Google ran a bunch of nicely produced ads randomly on U.S. TV. They probably spent 1/100th of what Samsung spends on their own advertising and in co-ops with the carriers. What’s that supposed to do for sales of a phone only available online and at some Best Buys?
What problem does the 6P solve for the masses that don’t know (or care) about “pure” and regular updates? To the masses TW is Android based on Samsung’s market penetration so the absence of it and its features could be viewed as a deficit not a benefit. Nexus make XDA'rs wet, not so much the masses.
If the 6P isn’t selling well it isn’t because it’s a bad phone it’s that Google’s expectations weren’t realistic in the first place.
The only growth left in phones/tablets is to peel users from competitors. And there's only so much that can be done with UI/UX to set yourself apart. The OEM's have understood this for a while that's why they're making forays into wearables, virtual reality, and driverless cars. I say this because it makes it clear that if Google wants to increase sales of their Nexus line, they have 1 choice: lower the price. Two nexus devices released at the same time both priced too high is a recipe for disaster. There were basically no compelling upgrade reasons except for niche enthusiasts. Luckily for Google (Alphabet), they're an advertising company and not a hardware OEM. So as device sales slow across the board (even iPhone) they are better positioned than most
What are the flaws you find with the 6P as opposed to other premium Android phones?
Bad phone, mediocre phone, are you guys kidding? This is the best android phone. Period! But of course many people prefer pay more for a samsung or something!
Is too bad Google stopped the GPE program, would love to see GPE based phones like the S7, and G5 this Spring, those flagship phones running stock vanilla Android, directly supported by Google, and sold through carrier plans.
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It's no surprise that they aren't selling well - they're mediocre phones selling at premium prices. I lol at anyone who buys a nexus - and feel sorry for them too.
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So, do you actually own one? I didn't think so. If you had used a 6p you would not be saying it was a mediocre phone. It is actually, all in all, the best phone on the market for daily driver use right now. I am currently living in Paraguay, a country with bad overloaded cell phone networks, where most people who can afford smartphones are pretty much locked into Samsung by the carriers here. The radio in my 6p is SO much better than the weak Samsung radios. The battery lasts all day in conditions where I am constantly going in and out of signal areas. Just my point of view, but the problem with these phones is not the phones themselves, but Googles marketing. Of course, I am buying it for the phone and not the marketing...
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This is the best android phone. Period!
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CYoung234 said:
It is actually, all in all, the best phone on the market for daily driver use right now.
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For a niche audience of hobbiests and purists. Even where Nexi were offered by major global carriers along side other premium phones, some more expensive, Nexus sales never came close to competitive phones sales wise if they made a dent at all. The things that push people's buttons on XDA don't represent the masses view. A billion smartphones were sold last year. There are 360K active XDA members over the last 30 days. As @crachel said, the smartphone phone market has matured and even those with recognized names and a loyal customer base are struggling. HTC, Sony, and LG all lost money in mobile last quarter.
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There were basically no compelling upgrade reasons except for niche enthusiasts.
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We have a winner.