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OK so my G Tablet is on the way and I've been reading and came across a comment on another forum that the ROM's that exist are built on the original stock software and that the most recent update may be causing problems with CWM? I will be getting my G Tablet on Wednesday, should I not do the update if I am going to be flashing a custom ROM? Thanks in advance!
drum747,
I believe everyone should make their own decisions. But if you ask me -- I'd tell you to simply stick with a stock G-Tablet right now.
When you get yours and go to Settings/About you can see the version -- something
like 1.1.xxxx -- probably 3588. If not, just about as soon as you get wifi connected
it will offer you an OTA (on the air) update to 3588. That's the current working version, and compared to the crud we had back last November it really isn't bad software.
It will lack the Market and some other things...you may have to be patient there.
But you can still side-load apps and download apps directly from a number of places.
But we are waiting. Our devs have found that there is software for a possible
Update 3991. The hope is that OTA 3991 will come down in the next few weeks.
If so, at 3588 stock you will be in perfect shape for that update. And then once you
have worked with it a while, you will be able to decide whether to stick with it -- or look at other options.
It seems like everyone who come in here looks at the ROMs available like a "all-you-can-eat" buffet. The immediately start flashing ROMs and moving around software
until something goes wrong and they are stuck. Indigestion!
With a good 3588 tablet, you can read and interact here and find out the biggest and
the best, and you can learn what you need to that when you are ready you can
move up to whatever you want without problems.
Do what you want. Enjoy the G-Tablet. I think it pretty darn good!
Rev
I agree.........
Stick with the most current stock version 3588. The next update officially available from viewsonic should be very soon, but I don't think it will be 3991 as advertised
3558 was different than what it started as, or it would seem based on what I have gathered from reading old threads.
ale
You know, I have a Droid X and have really enjoyed rooting it and trying different ROM's and was really looking forward to the same type of experience on this tablet. What is the advantage of waiting until the next update? Can't I update, do a full backup and go back to that if I want? Once I install a different ROM, I am then stuck at whatever update and no further updates? Is that why you are saying to wait? Are you saying there will be even better ROM's down the road based on the new update that is coming? Or just that the new update coming might have all the things we would like?
The next update might have some cool stuff... might even be as good or better than the custom stuff here... maybe...
Question is... did you buy the tablet to use it for media consumption or tinkering?
Answer that and you'll know what to do. Just don't forget to make nvflash to factory stock your best friend ;-)
A little of both I guess. Part of the reason I chose this tablet over others is because of the support and customization (and price!) I will try to wait for the next update before I tweak it (if I can!) Heh!! Thanks for the responses guys!! I appreciate the input!
K J Rad said:
The next update might have some cool stuff... might even be as good or better than the custom stuff here... maybe...
Question is... did you buy the tablet to use it for media consumption or tinkering?
Answer that and you'll know what to do. )
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This is without the best quote I could image. Tinkering without first using the tab and getting to realize it's not a giant phone is the first step I think everyone should understand.
And if you do tinker then you should expect it to have opportunities (problems ).
drum747,
Not addressing your abilities or anything about you.
But read all the crash and burn threads on this forum.
IMHO, to many people are trying to do to much too fast and are
messing up their tabs and have to be bailed out.
I'm just saying be cautious, move slowly and carefully and
don't get into trouble.
However, my advice still stands. If you move on to other
ROMS, etc. now, you will cut off access to offline updates.
Then you will have to go back to stock, etc. And
sometimes going back is as much as problem as going up!
It still would be easier to stay stock now and if an update
doesn't come down soon -- you will have read and learned
and be ready to make choices.
IMHO.
Rev
IMHO... if it ain't powering your pacemaker then learn how to nvflash and have fun.
Be part of the revolution or watch it happen... ;-)
Thanks guys! I get what you're saying!
Sent from my DROIDX using XDA App
K J Rad said:
... learn how to nvflash and have fun.
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QFT.
nvflash is not hard to get working. With a properly set up nvflash procedure and all the info on these forums, the gTab is an unbrickable as it gets.
updates
I upgraded to the vegan 7, gingerbread, how do I go back to the original stock to get the latest updates from viewsonic when update arrives?
Second that
I absolutely agree to stick with the stock ROM and play for a while. The 3588 update is very stable and usable when you change to Classic Home. I have been using it till now, side loading apps and enjoying a lot without having to worry about custom ROMS and such.
The people who are saying stay stock for the updates are glossing over the fact that the Vs updates will just make the stock UI suck a little less.
Before I bought my G tab I had never had any experience with tablets or smart phones or even android for that matter. I have flashed 4 or 5 roms onto my tablet without incident, no boot loops, no dead tab, no anything that anyone would consider a bad experience. I'm using Vegan 5.1.1 for the record, for the third time.
Read a few of the reflash to stock with nvflash threads to prepare yourself in case something does go wrong, but there is no reason to stay stock on this tablet theres to much dev goodness and too much customizationability ( is that even a word?) not to try different things.
Roxxas049 said:
The people who are saying stay stock for the updates are glossing over the fact that the Vs updates will just make the stock UI suck a little less.
Before I bought my G tab I had never had any experience with tablets or smart phones or even android for that matter. I have flashed 4 or 5 roms onto my tablet without incident, no boot loops, no dead tab, no anything that anyone would consider a bad experience. I'm using Vegan 5.1.1 for the record, for the third time.
Read a few of the reflash to stock with nvflash threads to prepare yourself in case something does go wrong, but there is no reason to stay stock on this tablet theres to much dev goodness and too much customizationability ( is that even a word?) not to try different things.
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Yeah I think it all boils down to what the individual wants and is willing to risk..this forum makes it easy and there are plenty of options to try just always prepare for the unexpected and dealing with the experimentals expect anything to happen!!
Who am I kidding?! There is no way I will be able to wait for the next update. I already have a ton of files set up to load on my G tablet. I will be Modding within hours of my full charge! Guess its just my nature! Thanks guys!
Butch, thanks I will be reading everything to make sure I do it right Thanks for the advice everyone!
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Closing Word...
Everyone that has contributed to this thread--
I have tried to voice the side of conservatism and restraint and
good judgement in this thread. My intention was not to hurt any
feeliings or pick on anyone or rain on anyone's parade.
But if you read what's going on in these forums, there are a lot
of folks having problems. A lot of them are in over their heads and
some have been careless and others made honest mistakes.
I know for my part, I have been working hard to try to help folks
find the tools and make the decisions to get back on track. I'm sure
I have made mistakes and my opinions are mine!
But I speak for myself in saying that even though I am semi-retired
and have more time than most -- I can't keep up this pace. And I've
heard others of the helpers say the same thing.
I also call your attention to the "TwoTapsX" thread and the fact that
the moderators are aware of the problems people are having. Roebeet
has put together a splendid ROM that many think will be the next
generation of G-Tablet software. But because of the complexity of the
mods folks already have had in the tablets, and because of the human
factors listed above -- a lot of folks have messed up their tablets.
In My Humble Opinion: Somebody has got to say that in spite of all the
"opportunities" for mods in these forums -- folks have got to start
exercising more restraint, more good judgement, more common sense in
what they do.
The devs and the folks who are helpers here can't be expected to carry the
load of keeping everyone up and running with the current problem rates. I
sometimes don't agree with the moderators, but this time I see their point.
We users have a good thing here, but if it keeps being abused......
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Having said that, I am done here. I wish you well.
Rev
/EOT
Just an update. Within an hour of booting up I had installed CWM and Vegan. It was an easy process and now I love my g tablet!
Sent from my DROIDX using XDA App
Welcome! Enjoy the koolaid... ;-)
Nice responce
Maybe ASUS should implement this function and make it high priority? Since they're finding ways to fix all these problems, there's gonna be plenty of updates for trial and error. I don't know if a lot of people are willing to go through this roller coaster as updates did break some. Not just ASUS small updates but also OS update from HC to ICS. I think it's really critical as Android is still buggy, not to mention the newly born iCS.
Add to that, got all these apps that aren't in control of Google or ASUS. Could wreck havoc. Although if users pay attention, can remove whichever newly installed app that causes problem but hard to keep track at times.
Even MS Windows until now still having similar problem. Some updates just wouldn't play nice so I did a system restore and not install those until newer ones come along.
Just my thought.
scooper said:
Maybe ASUS should implement this function and make it high priority? Since they're finding ways to fix all these problems, there's gonna be plenty of updates for trial and error. I don't know if a lot of people are willing to go through this roller coaster as updates did break some. Not just ASUS small updates but also OS update from HC to ICS. I think it's really critical as Android is still buggy, not to mention the newly born iCS.
Add to that, got all these apps that aren't in control of Google or ASUS. Could wreck havoc. Although if users pay attention, can remove whichever newly installed app that causes problem but hard to keep track at times.
Even MS Windows until now still having similar problem. Some updates just wouldn't play nice so I did a system restore and not install those until newer ones come along.
Just my thought.
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Yup, this would be nice. At least people are not going to be afraid on what will happen to their primes if they update. But I doubt itll happen...
Not official, and need root, but here some guys downgraded to.11, method described :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1492887
I meant to say for the mass that got no clue how to do this. A lot I know went for iPad/iPhone because of simplicity and had trouble getting used to BB or Android products, so this method will not help them.
Need to implement a System Restore, just like System Update, as part of it.
Striatum_bdr said:
Not official, and need root, but here some guys downgraded to.11, method described :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1492887
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One guy. I don't know that I would suggest people jump to trying this based on that, but obviously people are welcome to do whatever they want.
soulctcher said:
One guy. I don't know that I would suggest people jump to trying this based on that, but obviously people are welcome to do whatever they want.
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I've actually done the downgrade successfully as well. I agree with you though it's not something I would recommend especially if they don't atlease have some level working knowledge of ADB otherwise they could brick thier Prime.
jeffw111 said:
I've actually done the downgrade successfully as well. I agree with you though it's not something I would recommend especially if they don't atlease have some level working knowledge of ADB otherwise they could brick thier Prime.
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Fair enough. I would still caution others as well. Since we don't have a real recovery method yet, this has potential to be dangerous.
I want to root only to remove some built-in apps including HTCLinkifydispatcher.apk.
However, I don't want to deal with any issues related to: having 3rd party apps running on a rooted device that also handles my money money, receiving any OTA updates, and warranty eligibility.
<< If my above assumptions of potential issues are wrong, please correct me ! >>
I know rooting is just getting underway and that I need to wait patiently wait for the unroot process as well, but I'm curious if my following plan makes sense:
1. Root phone
2. Remove apps I don't want
3. Unroot phone
4. OTA updates come as needed. If a major OTA update adds back a removed app I dont want, repeat steps (1-3) as needed once the community has had a chance to root/unroot the OTA update
Whoops just realized that this might be better for Q+A forum, so feel free to move the topic there.
I just froze the above apk with TB. The usual open with dialogue did not come up. I think it's going to take alot more than just getting rid of the htc apk's to return that type of functionality.
gpz1100 said:
I just froze the above apk with TB. The usual open with dialogue did not come up. I think it's going to take alot more than just getting rid of the htc apk's to return that type of functionality.
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Ah I see, good to know going in before I make the plunge and get this phone. I hope the situation improves (maybe HTC can really improve the preset linking capabilities) because from the threads I've seen so far quite a few linkable objects just don't work or redirect to the wrong thing (especially linkable objects the HTC linker app doesn't know about).
I'm hopeful CM will have something mostly functional before the year's end or sooner. While some prefer aosp, I really want an OS that has no HTC apk's in it . For the longest time I didn't want to switch from sense. After some prodding from another member here, I saw the light. While it took more time to get cm configured to my liking, eventually it was perfect. Everything worked (99%), and there was no bloat at all.
First, and foremost, hello. I am new here, and I'm glad to be a part of the forum. Secondly, I'd like to apologize if I am posting this in the wrong section.
The topic I'd like to ask you a few questions about today is ROM Flashing, and the steps I should be taking to stay safe. I originally started playing around with Android devices around a year ago, but I recently started to delve deeper. I am the proud owner of an AT&T ZTE Z998 Mustang, and I have rooted it successfully. While in the process of rooting, I saw all of the warnings of how I should do a NANDROID backup, so that was my first instinct. I tried installing Clockworkmod, but to my dismay, they did not have an official version for my phone. I did happen to get lucky and find a version someone ported on their own. I attempted for a whole night before falling prey to error after error, and decided to give up. I went on without any backups, fiddling with my device. Luckily, I did not mess anything up, except for "accidentally" deleting the AT&T startup animation. (Haha.) Tonight, though, I happened to get the urge again, so I made some more attempts. After receiving the same error, I decided to look that error up word for word, and found that I did not have enough room on my Micro SD. I managed to clear enough room, and jumped in joy when I saw that I could delete an app, then restore and have it be back again. It was quite a big accomplishment for me. I've decided that I want to try flashing a custom ROM. The ROM I have chosen is the MIUI ROM. It seems quite popular, and I enjoy the iOS-esq feel of it, as well as its seamless theme changing. The only problem is, there is not an official release for my device. In fact, I have yet to find any ROM with an official release for my device. That is why I am coming to you guys.
My Questions:
Can I use a ROM that has not been specifically made for my device?
Will I still be connected to the AT&T Network?
If so, can I expect errors?
Am I truly safe with this newly acquired backup?
Anything you think I should know?
I'd like to thank you for any help in advance.
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First, and foremost, hello. I am new here, and I'm glad to be a part of the forum. Secondly, I'd like to apologize if I am posting this in the wrong section.
The topic I'd like to ask you a few questions about today is ROM Flashing, and the steps I should be taking to stay safe. I originally started playing around with Android devices around a year ago, but I recently started to delve deeper. I am the proud owner of an AT&T ZTE Z998 Mustang, and I have rooted it successfully. While in the process of rooting, I saw all of the warnings of how I should do a NANDROID backup, so that was my first instinct. I tried installing Clockworkmod, but to my dismay, they did not have an official version for my phone. I did happen to get lucky and find a version someone ported on their own. I attempted for a whole night before falling prey to error after error, and decided to give up. I went on without any backups, fiddling with my device. Luckily, I did not mess anything up, except for "accidentally" deleting the AT&T startup animation. (Haha.) Tonight, though, I happened to get the urge again, so I made some more attempts. After receiving the same error, I decided to look that error up word for word, and found that I did not have enough room on my Micro SD. I managed to clear enough room, and jumped in joy when I saw that I could delete an app, then restore and have it be back again. It was quite a big accomplishment for me. I've decided that I want to try flashing a custom ROM. The ROM I have chosen is the MIUI ROM. It seems quite popular, and I enjoy the iOS-esq feel of it, as well as its seamless theme changing. The only problem is, there is not an official release for my device. In fact, I have yet to find any ROM with an official release for my device. That is why I am coming to you guys.
My Questions:
Can I use a ROM that has not been specifically made for my device?
Will I still be connected to the AT&T Network?
If so, can I expect errors?
Am I truly safe with this newly acquired backup?
Anything you think I should know?
I'd like to thank you for any help in advance.
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Hi there. Welcome to the forums!
Unfortunately, the bad thing about phones that aren't very popular in the grand scheme of things means less people have them = less people making stuff for it. Developers often end up picking phones that are going to have more support from the manufacturer and more people will be able to enjoy the fruits of their labors. This of course, is a general rule, and of course there are exceptions, but your phone doesn't seem to be one of them. Companies like ZTE aren't concerned about putting out the source code for phones like this means that it is hard, to almost impossible, to make a really custom rom work correctly due to driver issues among other things.
So to answer the questions:
1) Sometimes, but very dependent on the models, carriers, and which software updates. General rule of thumb is that if it isn't based off the same chipset, it won't have a chance of working. But there are lots of other things to consider to, like radio versions, bootloader status, partition layout, etc. Long story short, there's no easy answer and there are lots of caveats.
2) + 3) See above.
4) You SHOULD be safe if CWM told you that the nandroid was completed successfully, but just like any other software based things, things happen.
Best way to be safe is to be able to reflash the original firmware for the phone back to it, but not even sure if that's an option for you - which goes back to ZTE not giving a $^!* about these cheap little phones for small prepaid companies. They save money by not doing any extra work like providing firmware, updates, source code, etc.
The only forums I know that mess with these kinds of things are:
http://unleashedprepaids.com/forum-1491.html
Not for your phone specifically, but similar ones:
http://androidarea51.com/zte-phones/
So yea, slim pickings.
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Helpful Info.
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First, thank you! I was waiting all day. I was a little disappointed with the answer, though. v.v Do you know if there are any ROMS that will work with ANY device? Like even bare minerals versions of AOSP ROMS that have yet to be touched?
Also, I am slowly saving for a 64GB Black Nexus 5, so I shouldn't be stuck but more than a month or more so.
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First, thank you! I was waiting all day. I was a little disappointed with the answer, though. v.v Do you know if there are any ROMS that will work with ANY device? Like even bare minerals versions of AOSP ROMS that have yet to be touched?
Also, I am slowly saving for a 64GB Black Nexus 5, so I shouldn't be stuck but more than a month or more so.
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No, sorry. It's just not possible. Your best hope would be to use the debloated rom in the unleashed prepaids forum and use the Xposed Framework.
http://unleashedprepaids.com/thread-8769.html
http://unleashedprepaids.com/thread-8771.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/framework-xposed-rom-modding-modifying-t1574401
http://repo.xposed.info/module-overview
I have the Nexus 5 (don't think they come in 64 - only 16/32) but it's awesome and there are so many roms that it'll make your head spin. lol
es0tericcha0s said:
No, sorry. It's just not possible. Your best hope would be to use the debloated rom in the unleashed prepaids forum and use the Xposed Framework.
http://unleashedprepaids.com/thread-8769.html
http://unleashedprepaids.com/thread-8771.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/framework-xposed-rom-modding-modifying-t1574401
http://repo.xposed.info/module-overview
I have the Nexus 5 (don't think they come in 64 - only 16/32) but it's awesome and there are so many roms that it'll make your head spin. lol
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Oops, sorry, yeah, that's what I meant. xD
But, I can not wait for it!
Just some final thoughts and questions:
I do have Xposed installed already, but have yet to look around in it due to the hundreds of modules. Do you have any suggestions about which I should look at for cosmetic needs? I have tried to use Gravitybox, but it force closed upon entry every time I used it, so I deleted it.
I understand that the limitation is very high because of the fact that it is a closed sourced company, but many ZTE Devices are listed to have compatible ROMS, such as MIUI ROM. If I try to use a ROM specified for a different phone, do you know what could happen? I feel that it may not even open, or if it does, it'll have tons of errors and not work upon entry, or even work but have certain things like the camera that will not connect. I'm only worried about high margins of fatal breakage. If it is some silly error that I won't have to "worry" about, I'm okay with fooling around.
If I do try to install a new ROM, but want to go back, will it affect anything on my previous backup? I know backups copy EVERYTHING, but I'd just like to make sure I won't do serious damage.
Lastly, thank you for all the help. It means a ton.
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Oops, sorry, yeah, that's what I meant. xD
But, I can not wait for it!
Just some final thoughts and questions:
I do have Xposed installed already, but have yet to look around in it due to the hundreds of modules. Do you have any suggestions about which I should look at for cosmetic needs? I have tried to use Gravitybox, but it force closed upon entry every time I used it, so I deleted it.
I understand that the limitation is very high because of the fact that it is a closed sourced company, but many ZTE Devices are listed to have compatible ROMS, such as MIUI ROM. If I try to use a ROM specified for a different phone, do you know what could happen? I feel that it may not even open, or if it does, it'll have tons of errors and not work upon entry, or even work but have certain things like the camera that will not connect. I'm only worried about high margins of fatal breakage. If it is some silly error that I won't have to "worry" about, I'm okay with fooling around.
If I do try to install a new ROM, but want to go back, will it affect anything on my previous backup? I know backups copy EVERYTHING, but I'd just like to make sure I won't do serious damage.
Lastly, thank you for all the help. It means a ton.
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Gravity Box wouldn't work because it is for more AOSP based things. As far as theming goes, you can try HK Theme Manager or Ex Themer. For the idea of trying to install a rom for another ZTE phone, well, best case scenario is that it doesn't flash at all. Worst case is that it does flash, and you lose something like your IMEI, baseband, or one or more of your other partitions and all of those are potentially unrecoverable, no matter what kind of backups you have. This wouldn't be one of those, "Oh, shoot, that didn't work, I'll just factory reset or restore my backup and be good to go..." kind of situations.
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Gravity Box wouldn't work because it is for more AOSP based things. As far as theming goes, you can try HK Theme Manager or Ex Themer. For the idea of trying to install a rom for another ZTE phone, well, best case scenario is that it doesn't flash at all. Worst case is that it does flash, and you lose something like your IMEI, baseband, or one or more of your other partitions and all of those are potentially unrecoverable, no matter what kind of backups you have. This wouldn't be one of those, "Oh, shoot, that didn't work, I'll just factory reset or restore my backup and be good to go..." kind of situations.
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Oh, wow! Thanks! I'm glad you pointed that out before I tried. So, I should be okay as long as I flash that ROM from the Unleashed Prepaid page? Now I am afraid, but curious.
Also, thank you for the theme modules names, I will kindly note them.
Should be fine. It's 95% stock and I'm sure they only had one version of android for the phone so should be pretty close to what you have now. Benefits would be the unsecured boot.img which is easier for root and other things to stick, init.d which allows you to run scripts (everything from being able to mount a partition of an SD card to use for extra space for apps to memory management stuff like V6 Supercharger), and a bit easier to theme and debloat.
es0tericcha0s said:
Should be fine. It's 95% stock and I'm sure they only had one version of android for the phone so should be pretty close to what you have now. Benefits would be the unsecured boot.img which is easier for root and other things to stick, init.d which allows you to run scripts (everything from being able to mount a partition of an SD card to use for extra space for apps to memory management stuff like V6 Supercharger), and a bit easier to theme and debloat.
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Thank you.
I'll look into it tonight. I will try and tell about what happens tomorrow-ish.
Cool. Good luck.
Android LolliCrap 5.02 has totally screwed over my N7 2012 8GB, LolliCrap OS and accompanying support apps like Google Play are such Bloatware that none of my apps can update (insufficient space BS) when I had 1GB free before with OS 4.4.4!! Beside I HATE the new interface, it's SLOOOOOOOW and is some kind of nightmare! My M7 8GB is essentially BRICKED and useless now!! I hate you Google!
I also have a 2012 N7 32GB still running HAPPILY 4.4.4 and I want to keep it that way and NOT Screw it over too with any version of 5.x
HOW can I block the download of LolliCrap 5.x so it's not sitting there taking up Memory space because I will never install it and how can I block all future Android OS updates??? I'd rather NOT Root if at all possible, I'm not sure I'm technically qualified to Root my N7's.
I used to be a huge fan of Google and Android, this POS LolliCrap really has me pissed off .... I just may go and buy the "enemy" iFad Mini now!!
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Android LolliCrap 5.02 has totally screwed over my N7 2012 8GB, LolliCrap OS and accompanying support apps like Google Play are such Bloatware that none of my apps can update (insufficient space BS) when I had 1GB free before with OS 4.4.4!! Beside I HATE the new interface, it's SLOOOOOOOW and is some kind of nightmare! My M7 8GB is essentially BRICKED and useless now!! I hate you Google!
I also have a 2012 N7 32GB still running HAPPILY 4.4.4 and I want to keep it that way and NOT Screw it over too with any version of 5.x
HOW can I block the download of LolliCrap 5.x so it's not sitting there taking up Memory space because I will never install it and how can I block all future Android OS updates??? I'd rather NOT Root if at all possible, I'm not sure I'm technically qualified to Root my N7's.
I used to be a huge fan of Google and Android, this POS LolliCrap really has me pissed off .... I just may go and buy the "enemy" iFad Mini now!!
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Without root, you can't block the updates. I'm using a custom 5.0 rom on my 2012 N7 and it's actually pretty snappy. I also changed the file system to F2FS and cranked up the GPU speeds though so that might have something to do with it. The Nexus stuff is one of the easiest things to root out there. I believe there are ways to do so without even unlocking the bootloader, which will require wiping the device completely. There are tool kits in the forum for your device that should help you do this with minimal effort.
Rooting is something I have not even attempted, can anyone recommend a tutorial, video and how to accomplish the rooting process on a N7 2012 for a newbie to rooting?? I've been in IT, but the hardware end, so I'm not tech challenged, just no experience on the SW Hacking side. I've got to get my N7 2012 32GB model blocked before it's devastated by 5.02 too!!
I'd also like to "Revert" my already "attacked" N7 8GB 2012 back to KitKat 4.4.4, is that possible? I've looked at Android OS DL's but which model name is the 2012 N7? "nakasi" or which??
Any help and suggestions from the experts on the forum appreciated.
VintageGuitarz said:
Rooting is something I have not even attempted, can anyone recommend a tutorial, video and how to accomplish the rooting process on a N7 2012 for a newbie to rooting?? I've been in IT, but the hardware end, so I'm not tech challenged, just no experience on the SW Hacking side. I've got to get my N7 2012 32GB model blocked before it's devastated by 5.02 too!!
I'd also like to "Revert" my already "attacked" N7 8GB 2012 back to KitKat 4.4.4, is that possible? I've looked at Android OS DL's but which model name is the 2012 N7? "nakasi" or which??
Any help and suggestions from the experts on the forum appreciated.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766475
This tool / thread will have everything you need. You can root and downgrade with it. The "manual" way is not difficult either. You were correct, it is the "nakasi" model. Just need the drivers installed, extract the folder from the download (use 7zip if you don't have an app on your PC already for those kinds of files), reboot to the bootloader screen (power off then power on by holding Vol Down and Power), plug into the PC and make sure the drivers load, then double click the flash-all.bat file in the folder and let it do it's thing.
Thanks.
Gentlemen,
Thanks for all the information and I will review the links you supplied and I will take a shot at Rooting my 2 N7 2012's to keep any nasty 5.0x updates off until Google comes to their senses! Serously, 8 days after Android 5.02 invaded my N7 8GB, it still runs like crap, balks, stalls, crashes, even Services crashes and stalls routinely. .... Google has made a mess of this version of Android OS 5.x, damn them. All just to serve their stupid "wearable" as I have read on several Android sites. Google is turning into CrApple.
VintageGuitarz said:
Gentlemen,
Thanks for all the information and I will review the links you supplied and I will take a shot at Rooting my 2 N7 2012's to keep any nasty 5.0x updates off until Google comes to their senses! Serously, 8 days after Android 5.02 invaded my N7 8GB, it still runs like crap, balks, stalls, crashes, even Services crashes and stalls routinely. .... Google has made a mess of this version of Android OS 5.x, damn them. All just to serve their stupid "wearable" as I have read on several Android sites. Google is turning into CrApple.
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I often find issues like that are caused from not resetting your device after OTAs. This kind of thing happens often enough between jumping OS versions, and is not just for the Nexus, but I've seen and read about it for every manufacturer, and even for Apple devices. There are plenty of people using Lollipop on the N7 without issues. Just every device is a bit different, even before you start adding your own apps and data.
es0tericcha0s said:
I often find issues like that are caused from not resetting your device after OTAs. This kind of thing happens often enough between jumping OS versions, and is not just for the Nexus, but I've seen and read about it for every manufacturer, and even for Apple devices. There are plenty of people using Lollipop on the N7 without issues. Just every device is a bit different, even before you start adding your own apps and data.
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I beg to greatly differ with your opinion regarding the number of Nexus owners (at least older models) having problems with Lollipop OS, along with owners of other brands of phones and tablets. While looking for reason for all the problems I've experienced and how to fix or revert back to KitKat 4.4.4 (because it worked flawlessly) and how to block further Lollicrap 5.0x updates, I've "Googled" and visited at least 30 of 40 different forums, blogs, postings and news reports that EVERYONE chastises, complains and hates Lollicrap 5.0x. Even Bloomberg News has runs a few news stories about why everyone hates Android 5.0x Lollipop and won;t use it. Several Tech writers have pointed out that the main purpose of Lollicrap 5.0x is to promote Google's android based "Wearable" and obviously from all the complaints by us, we've been sacrificed for their greed.
Sorry, If I got to wipe out all my app installs and start all over again with a "reset", I won't waste my time with Buggy and Kluged LolliCrAp 5.0x anything and these will be the last Google product I'll ever buy ..... they've become CrApple! All for the money of it and screw the previous model owners. My next new Tablet will be a Surface Pro.
VintageGuitarz said:
I beg to greatly differ with your opinion regarding the number of Nexus owners (at least older models) having problems with Lollipop OS, along with owners of other brands of phones and tablets. While looking for reason for all the problems I've experienced and how to fix or revert back to KitKat 4.4.4 (because it worked flawlessly) and how to block further Lollicrap 5.0x updates, I've "Googled" and visited at least 30 of 40 different forums, blogs, postings and news reports that EVERYONE chastises, complains and hates Lollicrap 5.0x. Even Bloomberg News has runs a few news stories about why everyone hates Android 5.0x Lollipop and won;t use it. Several Tech writers have pointed out that the main purpose of Lollicrap 5.0x is to promote Google's android based "Wearable" and obviously from all the complaints by us, we've been sacrificed for their greed.
Sorry, If I got to wipe out all my app installs and start all over again with a "reset", I won't waste my time with Buggy and Kluged LolliCrAp 5.0x anything and these will be the last Google product I'll ever buy ..... they've become CrApple! All for the money of it and screw the previous model owners. My next new Tablet will be a Surface Pro.
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Human nature - people are more likely to post complaining about things than complimenting them. Name an update on any device that you can't find people having issues with. Nature of the beast. But as I mentioned, the problems you are experiencing are very typical of issues with OTA updates and not factory resetting the device.
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Human nature - people are more likely to post complaining about things than complimenting them. Name an update on any device that you can't find people having issues with. Nature of the beast. But as I mentioned, the problems you are experiencing are very typical of issues with OTA updates and not factory resetting the device.
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But you also have to take into account, that the vast majority of any device users, especially Smart Phones and Tablets, are not technologically "equipped" and DON'T B n C on-line and don't do postings looking for help, they just get pissed and move to another device or OS. So I postulate that all these hundreds of posts are an accurate reflection of the total percentage of people having issues with Android 5.0x and that since the tech media is taking note of it, it's the true nature of the problems. Sorry, my N7 2012 was pristine, ran perfectly under KitKat 4.4.4. If I'm having problems after and OTA update, so are the majority. It's just common sense and the odds.
VintageGuitarz said:
But you also have to take into account, that the vast majority of any device users, especially Smart Phones and Tablets, are not technologically "equipped" and DON'T B n C on-line and don't do postings looking for help, they just get pissed and move to another device or OS. So I postulate that all these hundreds of posts are an accurate reflection of the total percentage of pe If I'm having problems after and OTA update, so are the majority. It's just common sense and the odds.ople having issues with Android 5.0x and that since the tech media is taking note of it, it's the true nature of the problems. Sorry, my N7 2012 was pristine, ran perfectly under KitKat 4.4.4.
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So many leaps of logic, assumptions, and lack of understanding of how software updates work here, it's not even worth getting into. If you need help downgrading, I'd be more than happy to help though. You can hit me up on Hangouts @ my screen name if you'd like.
Apparently the 5.02 Lollicrap Update is down loaded to your N7 (maybe other devices as well) without your permission when connected online.
Where is it stored as a file, in what folder and can it be deleted, prior to Rooting the N7?
I'd like help with Rooting both of my N7's (2012's), returning one back to KitKat 4.4.4 and keeping the other 32GB 2012 N7 from ever being updated without my permission.
Thanks
VintageGuitarz said:
Apparently the 5.02 Lollicrap Update is down loaded to your N7 (maybe other devices as well) without your permission when connected online.
Where is it stored as a file, in what folder and can it be deleted, prior to Rooting the N7?
I'd like help with Rooting both of my N7's (2012's), returning one back to KitKat 4.4.4 and keeping the other 32GB 2012 N7 from ever being updated without my permission.
Thanks
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It should be in the /cache folder, which you won't have access to without root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766475
Everything you need will be in that thread. As long as the drivers are loaded correctly and you have a good USB cable, the toolkit should be able to do everything else as far as rooting and downgrading. Once you are rooted, then I think you should be able to stop notifications/downloads of the updates by following this 1st post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2429820
and / or might need to do this too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53169162&postcount=21
Or install a custom rom.
I'm not so cool with "Leaps" of logic in your instructions that seem to contain a lot of "I think", "should be ale to", or "and / or might need to do this too", or "Or install a custom rom". I've never Rooted anything, this seems more like guess work than a proven method and I'm not about to sacrifice my working 32GB N7 with KitKat 4.4.4 "experimenting".
By this loose method you're advising, my logic in saying the majority of Android users are pissed (referenced dozens and dozens of forum sites) but most silent about LolliCrap screwing up their devices, is like the proven theory of relativity.
I'll keep looking for a forum thread by someone that has, with no "might have to", or "should's" in the process.
Thanks anyway.
VintageGuitarz said:
I'm not so cool with "Leaps" of logic in your instructions that seem to contain a lot of "I think", "should be ale to", or "and / or might need to do this too", or "Or install a custom rom". I've never Rooted anything, this seems more like guess work than a proven method and I'm not about to sacrifice my working 32GB N7 with KitKat 4.4.4 "experimenting".
By this loose method you're advising, my logic in saying the majority of Android users are pissed (referenced dozens and dozens of forum sites) but most silent about LolliCrap screwing up their devices, is like the proven theory of relativity.
I'll keep looking for a forum thread by someone that has, with no "might have to", or "should's" in the process.
Thanks anyway.
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Sorry for not being more clear.
The update zip IS in the /cache folder, which you won't have access to without root.
The toolkit on from the link I provided has nothing to do with guess work as it is the easiest way to downgrade and root and has everything you need from the drivers to the root files to being able to download the 4.4.4 firmware and flash for you with very minimal interaction. As far as the notifications go, some people get away with one method, some have to do both. If you would feel more comfortable with someone helping via TeamViewer, I'd be willing to. I literally do this kind of stuff as a job and have experience with every kind of flashing, modding, upgrades, downgrades, etc for 100s of devices, as well as owning the same tablet you have.
Thanks for the clarifications, I'll download the Toolkit and run it to familiarize myself with it. If it looks confusing to me, I'll take you up on the offer to help using TeamViewer. I've used TV a few times with my IT clients.
Do you know which cashe folder Android stores the updates in? And once rooted and updates blocked, can I just delete that 5.02 file (I'm think my other 2012 N7 32GB which has not been updated)??
It's just in the /cache folder in the root of the OS. Yes, you can delete it without issue, though it's not going to give you any more usable apace as it's a different partition of the device that the normal data you save doesn't have access to. Still, might as well delete it.
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es0tericcha0s said:
It's just in the /cache folder in the root of the OS. Yes, you can delete it without issue, though it's not going to give you any more usable apace as it's a different partition of the device that the normal data you save doesn't have access to. Still, might as well delete it.
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It's been a while and I still haven't Rooted my Nexus 7, been researching the mechanics of how to do it and what methods are available that a complete "rooting newbee" can use without getting over my head in quicksand and a bricked N7 (2012) instead of one taken back to Kitkat 4.4.4 from a screwed up buggy 5.02 OTA update.
I was looking at a tutorial for using " Wugfresh" tool and a comment was made that "Unlocking will wipe the device.". Is this true? Is this always the case when rooting and unlocking?
I don't want to "wipe" my N7, just root it and return it to 4.4.4.
I also read that the boot loader in the factory 4.4.4 is faulty and a lot of girations are needed to reinstall 4.4.4. Has anyone experienced this?
Appreciate the thoughts and ideas.
VintageGuitarz said:
It's been a while and I still haven't Rooted my Nexus 7, been researching the mechanics of how to do it and what methods are available that a complete "rooting newbee" can use without getting over my head in quicksand and a bricked N7 (2012) instead of one taken back to Kitkat 4.4.4 from a screwed up buggy 5.02 OTA update.
I was looking at a tutorial for using " Wugfresh" tool and a comment was made that "Unlocking will wipe the device.". Is this true? Is this always the case when rooting and unlocking?
I don't want to "wipe" my N7, just root it and return it to 4.4.4.
I also read that the boot loader in the factory 4.4.4 is faulty and a lot of girations are needed to reinstall 4.4.4. Has anyone experienced this?
Appreciate the thoughts and ideas.
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Literally just finished helping someone with downgrading back from LP because it wasn't working well for them either. You absolutely have to unlock the bootloader, which will wipe the device, no matter what you want to do - root / recovery / downgrade / etc. This is not an option as it is a security feature. There are so many ways to back up most of your stuff that it's really not THAT big of a deal. There are apps, Google, cloud storage, etc.
Yeah in doing my "research" on rooting to turn back the calendar to Kitkat 4.4.4 I've read more and more pretty pissed off N7 owners, seems to have hit the 2012 and 2013 model owners the most grievously.
Question then if I backup - since I'm on LP 5.02 on my 8GB N7 (2012) already, when I do a back up won't it also take with some of the LP oriented settings?
Is there a highly preferred BU method that will take everything from data, settings and apps so after I root and reinstall (flash?) 4.4.4 on a wiped N7 it puts everything back? Is there a BU method I can use to BU's to my PC, rather than a cloud? (I don't have a 8GB "cloud account with anyone)
Thanks very much.