Usually I carry a FiiO amp (I have three different models). I use them with my Note 3 and have various headphones ( Audio Technica ATH M50, V-Moda M100 and V-Moda XS, Beats Solo 2). On full amplification via the FiiO and depending on genre, I like the V-Moda XS and FiiO E18 the best. I would rate it a 9 for clarity and depth on portable device (I'm not huge into Ibiza levels of bass). So i walk into the T-Mobile store and hook up the V-Moda XS right to the phone and set the amplification to the highest setting. I would rate it a solid 8.5 (again for portable application). Although to a newbie not typically used to listening on good headphones they would probably rate it a 20.
Basically as is, the V10 makes carrying a headphone AMP a bit unnecessary now. By the way, I paid $160 for that FiiO E18 headphone amp a year ago but the going rate was over $200. The big selling point was that it was made for Android and you could switch to different tracks using the side mounted buttons on the FiiO instead of having to take the phone out, unlock the screen and move to a different track. For whatever reasons, all headphone cords don't work with all music apps on Android.
All that being said, is the V10 the best in class phone for not just camera functionality but audio playback?
I know the new HTC and Samsung Note 5 have a few advantages of their own. I'm curious to see if anyone thinks these are better on audio than the V10 based on experience.
I gave the Note 5 a quick listen, and V10 beats it IMHO. Had a fiio e18 too, good little amp.
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The V10 will hands-down have the best audio performance of any phone to date. However, the question has been raised as to whether or not the ESS DAC/amp are active 24/7. It seems some apps use the standard Snapdragon DAC instead (typically streaming apps). Local content works fine as far as I can tell, and I may have found a workaround to force the ESS DAC on a session-by-session basis, but it might be something that can also be forced via software modifications produced by developers later on.
Well that's good to hear since I won't be going back to Samsung since they ditched SD card and removable battery.
One thing I thought of, the V-Moda XS is known for having a compact folding design that has "military" grade impact resistance and all around durable build quality. Which are similar selling points for the V10. Right out of the box, this is a great sound pairing. Some say the Beats Solo2 is on par with V-Moda XS on sound, but given the plastic build quality it's not really the same value for the money.
Yes, some apps aren't working. Tidal is gtg fortunately. Sounds pretty damn good too.
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The V10 will hands-down have the best audio performance of any phone to date. However, the question has been raised as to whether or not the ESS DAC/amp are active 24/7. It seems some apps use the standard Snapdragon DAC instead (typically streaming apps). Local content works fine as far as I can tell, and I may have found a workaround to force the ESS DAC on a session-by-session basis, but it might be something that can also be forced via software modifications produced by developers later on.
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I was wondering about that too. Let me touch on my experience a bit.
A couple of things for reference: I briefly tested the DAC with my Sennheiser Momentum, and then with my HD 650 without any intermediary signal processing. Also, I believe that the 32 bit is an overkill, so signal-wise I don't consider this better than a 16-bit DAC for practical purposes. Still, I like having it just because it's there. My comparison is between the V10 and a Nexus 4, as well as a FiiO E07K + Little Dot Mark III at times.
So, the Momentum: of course the Momentum run well and loud, since they are easily run. DAC-wise, I do notice some added clarity and soundstage with Hi Fi on using FLACS and 320 kbps files (nothing major, but it's there, as expected). All good.
Now, for the HD 650: the V10 with Hi Fi on will do an automatic impedance/power match, which is really nice for volume control normalization. In the end, the V10 makes the FiiO e07k useless, because the HD 650 sound fine, loud, and equally clear on the phone. Now here is the thing: we know that Spotify is not affected by the Hi Fi toggle, yet the sound is equally loud and clear on the HD 650 than with Hi Fi on using local files. When I turn Hi Fi off, the amp can't power the headphones nearly as well (or at all), impedance match ends, and the volume and clarity go down.
In short, Spotify with Hi Fi off = Local files with Hi Fi on, even though it's supposedly not affected by it.
What that means to me is that they could be doing a Beats maneuver, and lowering audio quality on Hi Fi off on local files to really give people the feel that turning it on affects music. On the other hand, it could mean that Spotify (or other 3rd party, streaming apps) simply bypass the toggle and just run on the amp/dac's full power regardless. Proof of the latter would be that my Nexus 4 (and some other phones I've tested) simply cannot drive the HD 650 at the level that the V10 does on Spotify. I mean, I can barely reach a mediocre volume on the Nexus 4 maxed out.
Keep in mind that this is my initial impression, and I haven't done an in-depth sound test yet. That said, I'm very happy with the V10 regardless, since it can effortlessly power my HD 650 without having to carry an external amp/dac combo.
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What that means to me is that they could be doing a Beats maneuver, and lowering audio quality on Hi Fi off on local files to really give people the feel that turning it on affects music. On the other hand, it could mean that Spotify (or other 3rd party, streaming apps) simply bypass the toggle and just run on the amp/dac's full power regardless. Proof of the latter would be that my Nexus 4 (and some other phones I've tested) simply cannot drive the HD 650 at the level that the V10 does on Spotify. I mean, I can barely reach a mediocre volume on the Nexus 4 maxed out.
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I don't think they lower quality for hi-fi off. It simply uses a completely different DAC. It defaults to the Qualcomm Snapdragon DAC... which is low quality.
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I don't think they lower quality for hi-fi off. It simply uses a completely different DAC. It defaults to the Qualcomm Snapdragon DAC... which is low quality.
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That's what it's supposed to be like, so I'm inclined to believe it. My question is whether Spotify is really using the ESS, even if it was not supposed to. More of a curiosity than anything.
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That's what it's supposed to be like, so I'm inclined to believe it. My question is whether Spotify is really using the ESS, even if it was not supposed to. More of a curiosity than anything.
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Inclined to believe what?
Someone reported getting 3rd party apps like spotify to use the ESS dac with toggling tricks so it's definitely possible that it was using the ESS dac.
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Inclined to believe what?
Someone reported getting 3rd party apps like spotify to use the ESS dac with toggling tricks so it's definitely possible that it was using the ESS dac.
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Of course it's possible, but I have yet to find a 100% sure response. Not that it's a big deal anyways, since the audio is fine regardless.
By the way, can you send a link to the report? I want to test it.
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Of course it's possible, but I have yet to find a 100% sure response. Not that it's a big deal anyways, since the audio is fine regardless.
By the way, can you send a link to the report? I want to test it.
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http://www.head-fi.org/t/782706/lg-...gship-android-phone-from-lg/465#post_12047691
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Thanks. That guy is saying something similar to what I said. Difference is, I didn't even have to overlap local file playing to trigger the amp/dac with Spotify. It just goes and it can't be turned off in any way, which is fine with me. But without any more information of course I was going to have initial doubts about it.
Can the v10 replace a standalone music player?
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I was wondering about that too. Let me touch on my experience a bit.
A couple of things for reference: I briefly tested the DAC with my Sennheiser Momentum, and then with my HD 650 without any intermediary signal processing. Also, I believe that the 32 bit is an overkill, so signal-wise I don't consider this better than a 16-bit DAC for practical purposes. Still, I like having it just because it's there. My comparison is between the V10 and a Nexus 4, as well as a FiiO E07K + Little Dot Mark III at times.
So, the Momentum: of course the Momentum run well and loud, since they are easily run. DAC-wise, I do notice some added clarity and soundstage with Hi Fi on using FLACS and 320 kbps files (nothing major, but it's there, as expected). All good.
Now, for the HD 650: the V10 with Hi Fi on will do an automatic impedance/power match, which is really nice for volume control normalization. In the end, the V10 makes the FiiO e07k useless, because the HD 650 sound fine, loud, and equally clear on the phone. Now here is the thing: we know that Spotify is not affected by the Hi Fi toggle, yet the sound is equally loud and clear on the HD 650 than with Hi Fi on using local files. When I turn Hi Fi off, the amp can't power the headphones nearly as well (or at all), impedance match ends, and the volume and clarity go down.
In short, Spotify with Hi Fi off = Local files with Hi Fi on, even though it's supposedly not affected by it.
What that means to me is that they could be doing a Beats maneuver, and lowering audio quality on Hi Fi off on local files to really give people the feel that turning it on affects music. On the other hand, it could mean that Spotify (or other 3rd party, streaming apps) simply bypass the toggle and just run on the amp/dac's full power regardless. Proof of the latter would be that my Nexus 4 (and some other phones I've tested) simply cannot drive the HD 650 at the level that the V10 does on Spotify. I mean, I can barely reach a mediocre volume on the Nexus 4 maxed out.
Keep in mind that this is my initial impression, and I haven't done an in-depth sound test yet. That said, I'm very happy with the V10 regardless, since it can effortlessly power my HD 650 without having to carry an external amp/dac combo.
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Do you think the v10 can match something like a Fiio X3? I normally have to carry my phone and the Fiio X3. It'd be great to be able to carry just one device and not have to sacrifice decent sound quality.
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Do you think the v10 can match something like a Fiio X3? I normally have to carry my phone and the Fiio X3. It'd be great to be able to carry just one device and not have to sacrifice decent sound quality.
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I found this in another forum:
"I have had about 2 days to seriously listen to the V10 with a variety of different headphones and I've continued to be blown away. It puts the iPhone 6/6s to shame and even embarrasses (what I thought to be excellent) Samsung GS6E+/Note 5. I'm typing this in my bed listening to London Grammar's "Flickers" with my LCD-3 and V10. I'm amazed that a) a phone could power these cans as well as the V10 does and b) that there is such excellent instrument separation, transparency, soundstage, and quickness from a smartphone DAC/amp combo. I'd choose this over a FiiO X1/X3/(even) an X5. Until you get into the Questyle/AK territory, this thing is just as competent as any DAP. With TIDAL!"
And with that, I'm in
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I found this in another forum:
"I have had about 2 days to seriously listen to the V10 with a variety of different headphones and I've continued to be blown away. It puts the iPhone 6/6s to shame and even embarrasses (what I thought to be excellent) Samsung GS6E+/Note 5. I'm typing this in my bed listening to London Grammar's "Flickers" with my LCD-3 and V10. I'm amazed that a) a phone could power these cans as well as the V10 does and b) that there is such excellent instrument separation, transparency, soundstage, and quickness from a smartphone DAC/amp combo. I'd choose this over a FiiO X1/X3/(even) an X5. Until you get into the Questyle/AK territory, this thing is just as competent as any DAP. With TIDAL!"
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I'll see if I can get one tomorrow and test for myself.
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Do you think the v10 can match something like a Fiio X3? I normally have to carry my phone and the Fiio X3. It'd be great to be able to carry just one device and not have to sacrifice decent sound quality.
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I have a Fiio e07K that I used to use on the go. The V10 does just as well, or maybe even better, than the Fiio. Assuming the X3 is comparable to the e07k (haven't tested it), I would just stick to the V10 and reduce bulk.
I think I'll sell the e07K now.
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I have a Fiio e07K that I used to use on the go. The V10 do just as well, or maybe even better, than the Fiio. Assuming the X3 is comparable to the e07k (haven't tested it), I would just stick to the V10 and reduce bulk.
I think I'll sell the e07K now.
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I think I'll sell my x3 as well.
Maybe it's possible that the V10 uses the ESS amplifier not matter what DAC is used. I've never noticed a difference between DACs for the most part... my PC sound card (Xonar Essence STX), Schiit Uber stack, and V10 all sound the same. Note5 honestly sounded about the same too. Maybe I just have insensitive ears or can't pick out the differences yet, but my AKG K812's are clearly the best sounding audio equipment I've ever heard, and I try to be critical in details of just about anything I hear sound through (apart from the source components). 320kbps .mp3's suit me just fine too.
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Maybe it's possible that the V10 uses the ESS amplifier not matter what DAC is used. I've never noticed a difference between DACs for the most part... my PC sound card (Xonar Essence STX), Schiit Uber stack, and V10 all sound the same. Note5 honestly sounded about the same too. Maybe I just have insensitive ears or can't pick out the differences yet, but my AKG K812's are clearly the best sounding audio equipment I've ever heard, and I try to be critical in details of just about anything I hear sound through (apart from the source components). 320kbps .mp3's suit me just fine too.
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mp3 normally sounds a bit more noisy and a lot of the details i look for are normally not present. then again, my hearing is pretty good. so I do notice the diffrence between mp3 at 320kbps and flac. At most times I don't listen to my music at high volumes either and then the missing stuff becomes more apparent.
I can tell the difference using Koss Portapro with 192kbps ogg.
The sound is more transparent than G4.
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My current set up is with Fiio E11 portal amp and the Ultimate Ears Triplefi 10. I'm currently hunting for a circumaural full size can to maximize the E11's capabilities. The TF10 is so easily driven by the Note's build-in DAC. I can barely notice significant difference with and without E11.
Please post your setup.
i havnt buy the note yet, but im an audiophile.
hows your experience with the note?
i plan on using b&w p5 once i get it
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tian105 said:
i havnt buy the note yet, but im an audiophile.
hows your experience with the note?
i plan on using b&w p5 once i get it
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From personal experience, the Note gets plenty loud with TF10. I listen most times with volume under 30%. I think most/if not all of the current generation of the Galaxy line use the bulid-in Yamaha DAC. However, I'm not sure if the 3G Note has the same DAC as the LTE Note. According this article they have different impedance. The LTE being higher.
Technical aspects aside Samsung could've done a better job at shielding the components from electronic interference as the hiss between songs are definitely noticeable.
I have only used the TF10 with the Note so far.
Overall sound quality: the highs are clear, mids are warm, and the bass is tight but not overpowering. E11's bass equalizer significantly improves bass.
I can't wait to get some full size ones to see what difference they can make.
i have the same experience with the Tf10. i have a fiio e6, and don't feel that i need it with the note. i used it more often on my zune hd than the note
I'm glad to hear you took my advice with the eiio 11, sounds amazing doesn't it
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Currently using bowers and wilkins p5 and really happy, the only downside the inline mic dosent work with the note,using poweramp as my default audio player
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VinceG said:
I'm glad to hear you took my advice with the eiio 11, sounds amazing doesn't it
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It's not making a huge difference yet. I'm planning go get the Beyerdynamic DT770 pro 80 ohms version. That might be more fitted to be driven by the E11.
Get some bass heavy headphones and it will blow your mind, I paired them with the UE super fi 5 extended bass in ear headphones and they bump. You need to make sure the headphones have a serious sub bass driver
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I dont actually have one but a friend of mine does, the Fiio e17, he also has the e11.
I had the opportunity to compare the two and the e17 is significantly better.
The problem of course is the e17 is more than three times the price at $210 on Amazon as compared to $65 for the e11.
A couple of major differences, the e17 also has usb and spdif line in's as well as a standard 3.5 line in.
Rather than having 'presets' for the EQ as seen on the e11, the e17 has individual bass and treble adjustments.
The e17 has a digital display which makes adjustments a bit easier to make.
One negative is the battery life supposedly is alot less on the e17 at only 15 hours (the e11 I think is around 80ish according to the specs page). Altho I dont know specifically because my friends has never been drained completely, he charges it every night.
Of course, the sound comparison is pretty stark. Tested with Sennheiser HD600 studio headphones (retails for $550-$600), the mids and lows are significantly better on the e17. More punchy and tight sounding, less 'rumbly' or 'muddy'.
Ironically, the highs are a almost the same although I did notice a bit more (almost hard to tell) stereo separation. I dont know exactly how this is possible but it is.
The source material ranged from some Bass 305, Boston Pops (Telarc), country folk (including Jewel - 'Hands' cd and Carrie Underwoods first cd), and one specific track off the Eagles live album (the track was Hotel California which has a surprising amount of fidelity, alot of punchy lows and mids and exceptional highs in the acoustic guitars).
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I dont actually have one but a friend of mine does, the Fiio e17, he also has the e11.
I had the opportunity to compare the two and the e17 is significantly better.
The problem of course is the e17 is more than three times the price at $210 on Amazon as compared to $65 for the e11.
A couple of major differences, the e17 also has usb and spdif line in's as well as a standard 3.5 line in.
Rather than having 'presets' for the EQ as seen on the e11, the e17 has individual bass and treble adjustments.
The e17 has a digital display which makes adjustments a bit easier to make.
One negative is the battery life supposedly is alot less on the e17 at only 15 hours (the e11 I think is around 80ish according to the specs page). Altho I dont know specifically because my friends has never been drained completely, he charges it every night.
Of course, the sound comparison is pretty stark. Tested with Sennheiser HD600 studio headphones (retails for $550-$600), the mids and lows are significantly better on the e17. More punchy and tight sounding, less 'rumbly' or 'muddy'.
Ironically, the highs are a almost the same although I did notice a bit more (almost hard to tell) stereo separation. I dont know exactly how this is possible but it is.
The source material ranged from some Bass 305, Boston Pops (Telarc), country folk (including Jewel - 'Hands' cd and Carrie Underwoods first cd), and one specific track off the Eagles live album (the track was Hotel California which has a surprising amount of fidelity, alot of punchy lows and mids and exceptional highs in the acoustic guitars).
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That's all playing from the Note?
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I hate that you said that... Now I'm going to have to spend another 210 on the e17s haha thanks a lot
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I hate that you said that... Now I'm going to have to spend another 210 on the e17s haha thanks a lot
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I got my e17 for $139, new online. Just Google it. I think it was an audio video shop in New York.
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i paid 320 for my hd650..
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Of course, the sound comparison is pretty stark. Tested with Sennheiser HD600 studio headphones (retails for $550-$600), the mids and lows are significantly better on the e17. More punchy and tight sounding, less 'rumbly' or 'muddy'.
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tian105 said:
i paid 320 for my hd650..
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I bought them when they first came out over ten years ago. They at the time were the highest end headphones Sennheiser had until they decided to release the outrageously priced $1500 pair and I believe the 610s which are now the defacto $600 set (the 600s are now I think $570ish).
I cant possibly see a huge difference between the 600s and the 650s so I havent been all that inclined to upgrade them. Im a studio musician and high quality headphones with an amp that can drive them is important to me. However, Im certainly not going to use my cell phone / mp3 player with $600 headphones so buying an amp to plug my phone into and my headphones into the amp seems a bit...silly (besides the fact that Im going to look like a tard with studio headphones plugged into an amp that is also plugged into my phone). The size of the Note is already enough to make me look a bit goofy...
But yes, look around, the MSRP is generally much more expensive than what you can find if you poke around.
I picked up a pair of Hd 280 Pros at BB for 79.99 best money spent. Was looking at Beats and these seemed a lot better for the buck.
Line Out for i717
Keep in mind that there are a few docks out there that seem to give you access to a LINE OUT.
search Amazon or ebay or google for Samsung-EDD-D1E1BEGSTA, for instance.
I can't post links yet. If you do a google image search for Samsung-EDD-D1E1BEGSTA you'll be able to see that back which is where the line out is.
Anyone knows how to get USB hosting working for ICS leaks? http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=24614
This will be awesome for Fiio E7 E17 that have build in DAC and Amp to run off the mini USB of the Note for superior sound quality.
I see no need for a hardware eq, I use power amp and the soft eq is actually quite good.
Been thinking of getting a good set of AKG cans and would like some suggestions and options on them.
I'm currently using a set of dre studios with a Bluetooth stereo gateway and there's no real sound difference either way that I can hear.
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Works great thru my Grado SR60i,s, using only the stock set up.
No Power Amp or any other EQ.
For portable use I recommend AKG k550. It's expensive but well worth it. The Denon D2000 and D5000 are on clearance. They are hard to find but probably the best sound quality at that price range.
The USB hosting function would be a huge improvement to the Note's audio quality because you can plug in DAC/amp combs like the Fiio e17 to play music out of it instead of the Note's inferior build-in DAC.
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I see no need for a hardware eq, I use power amp and the soft eq is actually quite good.
Been thinking of getting a good set of AKG cans and would like some suggestions and options on them.
I'm currently using a set of dre studios with a Bluetooth stereo gateway and there's no real sound difference either way that I can hear.
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Using N6P for the last few days, N6P sound output from the headphone jack is poor, it gets loud but quality is lacking, N6P doesn’t even have the power to drive high efficiency headphones (high sensitivity (dbl/mW or dbl/W) and low impedance (ohms)), I listen on my Triple Fi 10 headphones (Input Sensitivity - 117dB/mW; Impedance - 32 ohms) and the sound quality is disappointing.
I am coming from N6, N6 has very good sound quality from the headphone jack, N6 has the power to drive my Triple Fi 10 and doesn’t need an Amp.
PhoneArena measured the N6 at .98 volts and the 6P is .34 volts, for comparison IP6+ is 1.014 volts
See below comments from Head-fi forum about the poor sound quality:
“The 6P's sound is extremely forward and punchy, but has a real digital grittiness to it. Almost like running through a preamp with the gain wound up too far, with a weird high mid resonance that eventually becomes fatiguing. The weird grit sort of reminds me of my motherboard's onboard Realtek sound, from circa mid-2000s. It feels like the frequency response is not flat at all, I'm expecting tests to show a big peak around high mids to low treble. It's kind of like listening on cheap earbuds.”
http://www.head-fi.org/t/785067/nexus-5x-and-6p-sound-quality/30
I hate to return N6P as I love the phone otherwise, but sound quality is very important to me as I listen to music a lot.
The 6p has so many strong points, wouldn't it be worth using a headphone amp instead of returning the entire thing? Obviously that won't solve audio quality, but investing in an iPod or a walkman isn't too bad when your then able to use IMO the best android phone of 2015...
Get high quality Bluetooth headset. I have jaybird x2 and sounds beautiful connected.
Jamie bell said:
The 6p has so many strong points, wouldn't it be worth using a headphone amp instead of returning the entire thing? Obviously that won't solve audio quality, but investing in an iPod or a walkman isn't too bad when your then able to use IMO the best android phone of 2015...
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Must listen to this guy.
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I couldn't tell you the last time I plugged in headphones... No to wires!
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Only use them on airplanes!
im very happy with my Nexus 6P and headphone jack sound quality with my vmoda headphones. I use poweramp to listen to music and used one of the apps preset equalizers, sound quality is great to me, I've also used it during phones calls and it sounds just fine.
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Get high quality Bluetooth headset. I have jaybird x2 and sounds beautiful connected.
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I couldn't tell you the last time I plugged in headphones... No to wires!
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Bluetooth is not there yet in terms of music quality, I have tried and returned 10 -12 bluetooth headphones in the last year including Jay bird x, they are no match to the good quality wired headsets like my Triple Fi 10, you won’t get any sound stage on Bluetooth headphones.
Sony’s new high resolution Bluetooth headphones are promising but it needs LDAC codec support on the phone, also these headphones are expensive at $399.
I wonder if someday we will see a pair of cans sporting USB-C with an inline Digital to Analog converter. There would be many benefits to this really. I could see a trackpad that supports gestures or scrobbling, etc.
I understand that as for high end audiophile one can spend thousands in the pursuit of audio bliss. But as for my common daily use my 6P with Viper and my JayBird X and Bose sounds is just fine:good::good::good:
Get poweramp and apply these settings.
People still use those headphone jacks? Hmmm... Interesting
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Get poweramp and apply these settings.
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Thanks for the suggestion, but software enhancements mostly ruins music experience, I prefer to listen the music the way musician intended to..
I used poweramp but prefer Neutron - the best music player on Android..
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People still use those headphone jacks? Hmmm... Interesting
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yes...only if you listen to real music..and have a discerning ears..
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yes...only if you listen to real music..and have a discerning ears..
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Real music you say? Lol so those with discerning ears don't use Bluetooth? #snobbery
If you wish to listen to music "as musicians intended" then you can only get inside their collective heads to hear it. Everything else is influenced and changed by acoustics, recording, engineering and production.
Jamie bell said:
The 6p has so many strong points, wouldn't it be worth using a headphone amp instead of returning the entire thing? Obviously that won't solve audio quality, but investing in an iPod or a walkman isn't too bad when your then able to use IMO the best android phone of 2015...
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agree that 6p has many strong points, but amp defeats the portability, a premium phone ($700 - 128gb with tax) in 2015 should give a decent sound quality, what's the point of 128gb storage if it can't output decent sound.
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If you wish to listen to music "as musicians intended" then you can only get inside their collective heads to hear it. Everything else is influenced and changed by acoustics, recording, engineering and production.
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the way you described is not possible, that's why you want to buy a device with better DAC and use good quality headphones and you can be as close as possible to the musicians intent..
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Real music you say? Lol so those with discerning ears don't use Bluetooth? #snobbery
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you are not so bright, are you?
Why Bluetooth Audio Used To (and Still Largely) Sucks:
The problem with Bluetooth audio has always been digital compression: in order to send your audio to your headphones, you were forced to sacrifice quality. Traditionally, especially on older devices and with older Bluetooth versions, this meant the sound was so badly compressed that the result sounded robotic, buzzy, noisy, and all around awful. Listening to podcasts and spoken word through them wasn't a big deal, but when it came to music, they were just the worst. You got none of the richness or warmth of sound that a pair of wired headphones offers.
if you're the type who really enjoys listening—and I mean actively listening—to music on high-quality headphones, and you use terms like "soundstage" and "frequency response" to judge one pair of headphones over another, you may be disappointed, especially when you compare your wireless listening experience to a wired one.
http://lifehacker.com/does-bluetooth-audio-still-suck-1505063323
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the way you described is not possible, that's why you want to buy a device with better DAC and use good quality headphones and you can be as close as possible to the musicians intent..
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My comment was not a flame. The difference is that I see all this as impossible for the very reasons I gave. Perhaps Steve Albini can make this clearer: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep05/articles/albini.htm
Alright so far this device have been undoubtedly the most perfect for it's price, however it's still has some parts that need upgrading, and one of those sections is the audio recording (and camera, although they made huge advancing from the axon pro and the camera is pretty awesome, but if they started with the right sensor, the axon would be the best cameraphone)
I convinced myself that manufacturers don't even care about audio recording DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY ADVERTISE THEIR DEVICES AS HIFI DEVICES
I mean only the v20 is doing great on that section, 24 bit 192khz FLAC omni-dimensional audio recording with audio recorder app that has features like audio focus and 24bit 96khz lpcm for videos but at the cost of 700-800 dollars for a new one, it is far from what people like me consider for a smartphone.
As for the rest, it's a disaster, lg v10?? it records 44kbps (YES because that's what hifi sounds like, perfect sampling rate! bravo! ironically it records better with video with a samplingrate of 156kbps max and has audio focus) I don't know about other hifi devices, my axon 7 records 352kbps pcm when you set it to WAV (which is the only available setting there, lol), that's.... just ok, still way behind the v20.
Let's get to the spicypart, video recording, your device can record 352kbps pcm but you choose to put a cheapo codec that doesn't support that, instead it is 96kbps, even worse, when you try cinemafv5 you'll find that it can record 156kbps with AAC-LC, that's fine, but the output would be MONO!!!
Wth was zte thinking when they did this?? seriously? why you give me 156kbps...but make it mono, why??
Please note that I'm not saying axon 7 recording is bad (although some people here who tested htc 10 would say due to bass clipping issues, whatever) but it could've been miles better!
for that price I am still convinced that recording is good, but if ZTE happen to make another Axon, they better take care of that.
NOW let's move on to my most important critic from this post:
there are 2 cases to this situation
Case1:
ALL OF WHAT HAVE BEEN SAID WAS A STORY, AND ZTE ADVERTISING WAS ANOTHER WHOLE STORY! ZTE FALSE-ADVERTISED THE AXON 7!!
As you can see from the picture below Zte advertised their device can record "32 bit depth with 96khz sampling frequency" which is not the 44.1khz sampling frequency and the 16 bit 352kbps sample rate, Just compare it to the upper statements of vidoe and audio, I'd definitely call that false advertising , if there is one thing I hate it is false advertising and it's unforgivable, even for a great quality product like the Axon 7 I am rolling my eyes at what Zte have done, first was the battery capacity (although battery life is great) then this!? Audio?? it's the reason I bought it in the first place, do they realize that they can get sued for false advertising?
Case2:
MAYBE the Axon 7 can actually record like that but lacks the codes to do it, like how it turned out that aptx-hd can be ported in this forum, so can we get a genius dev who can figure it out (for both video and standalone recorder) with a codec or something??! any volunteers?
Let's hope we get a response from ZTE officials to clarify if Axon 7 meets what they advertised or not.
I guess you don't want to hear that the sound output is truncated to 16 bit no matter what you play. I have no idea if that's just the music app which does that (the only app which I know definitely uses the Hi-Fi DAC despite other claims here), or if it's somewhere in the firmware. I contacted PocketNow (since they pointed it out) through several mediums to ask and I never got a response. Real professional.
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I guess you don't want to hear that the sound output is truncated to 16 bit no matter what you play. I have no idea if that's just the music app which does that (the only app which I know definitely uses the Hi-Fi DAC despite other claims here), or if it's somewhere in the firmware. I contacted PocketNow (since they pointed it out) through several mediums to ask and I never got a response. Real professional.
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Absolutely not, I disagree, there is something called the quantization noise and it would be present for higher bit depth as it is for lower bit depth, secondly, no, it uses the dac on most music players (hence switching between standard and super audio quality gives the same factor on most music players like poweramp, and super audio quality option gives equal output on poweramp to my trained ears, otherwise the difference would be obvious)
Over the past months I've seen a lot of clueless people who claim "my hifi device only uses the dac on the stock music player and snapdragon dac for others" all over xda, and same for the axon 7 we see these people on ztecommunity, just because the v10 did with lollipop the past year, on the v10 people could figure that out due to them instantly observing the difference, but if there is no difference, why you have to create one? maybe because people disliked the device (which is subjective).
EDIT: Ok you're partially right, I figured that ages ago when I used neutron, what they meant is the speaker output, for some reason it is limited to 16 bit 44.1Khz, FOR SOME REASON, yes thanks I wanted to point that out, it is kinda forgivable due to small speakers, we are talking about a smartphone speaker lol
.but with headphones the dac works perfectly
I'm not sure if you misread what I wrote or if I don't understand what you're saying. The first part has nothing to disagree with. It has been tested and for a fact sound output is truncated to 16 bit.
PowerAmp 100% does NOT use the AKM DAC. Selecting 24 bit output on that uses the SD 820's DAC, which contrary to what some people here believe, is not magically missing from the SoC. It's there. Not to mention it sounds distinctly different (worse) than the AKM DAC. You can go to the PowerAmp forum and ask the creator himself and he'll tell you it doesn't make use of the AKM DAC. Or you know, you could use your ears. It clearly sounds different, if you can't tell then you're using poor headphones or have some level of hearing impairment (which is natural with age).
Overall I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say, you need to fix your post, I'm assuming English is not your first language.
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I'm not sure if you misread what I wrote or if I don't understand what you're saying. The first part has nothing to disagree with. It has been tested and for a fact sound output is truncated to 16 bit.
PowerAmp 100% does NOT use the AKM DAC. Selecting 24 bit output on that uses the SD 820's DAC, which contrary to what some people here believe, is not magically missing from the SoC. It's there. Not to mention it sounds distinctly different (worse) than the AKM DAC. You can go to the PowerAmp forum and ask the creator himself and he'll tell you it doesn't make use of the AKM DAC. Or you know, you could use your ears. It clearly sounds different, if you can't tell then you're using poor headphones or have some level of hearing impairment (which is natural with age).
Overall I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say, you need to fix your post, I'm assuming English is not your first language.
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No offense but I'd like to point out that you're so misinformed about : Axon 7 and audio in general.
I just watched the whole video of Pocketnow, there was no method to confirm that it was truncated, he only showed the frequency spectrum, please read on bit depth here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_bit_depth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(signal_processing)
the human ears can hear up to 22hz, thus manufacturers cap their headphones lower than 22khz to limit the rest which is noise most of the time, it's called ultrasonic filtering. bit depth has nothing to do with the frequency spectrum, instead it's about data, number of values to be exact, referred as resolution sometimes. infact sampling frequency does effect the frequency response but that's not even what sampling frequency is all about, for example the device can have an ultrasonic filter while still having high resolution audio setup. modern headphones still do it actually. long story short: sampling frequency and bit depth have 0 things to do with the bandwidth/frequency range.
"Poweramp does not" I am not sure what poweramp does, what you're referring too was an issue of 701 alpha, if you download this version on a dac-fixed lg v10 (lg v10 lollipop with dac fix app or simply lg v10 running mm) it would show the same thing, that it uses "Variant: 24 bit snapdragon" my friend tested that out himself.
the newer alphas have options for the output showing the sampling frequency only. I don't use poweramp tbh and I don't know why people pick poweramp over Neutron which has freescale EQ.
As for high res support for poweramp, this might be true, I guess.
As a guy who performed abx, yes, the super quality switch still works, meaning the dac is working.
"Overall I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say, you need to fix your post, I'm assuming English is not your first language"
even though I didn't make such crude mistakes as you mentioned, this was very irrelevant considering that you tried to dismantle each point I mentioned, I was just helping. I'd say that was a bit rude.
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No offense but I'd like to point out that you're so misinformed about : Axon 7 and audio in general.
I just watched the whole video of Pocketnow, there was no method to confirm that it was truncated, he only showed the frequency spectrum, please read on bit depth here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_bit_depth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(signal_processing)
the human ears can hear up to 22hz, thus manufacturers cap their headphones lower than 22khz to limit the rest which is noise most of the time
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They quite literally said in that video that it's truncated to 16 bits, their exact words, whether or not they're wrong, and they're not clowns to have the sound output limited by headphones. I seriously doubt they recorded the sound coming out of headphones for the test. Even if they did, most headphones go well past human hearing. And for the record almost no one, except for very few extremely young children, can hear up to 22KHz. Most people by their 20s can't hear past 17-18KHz, less if they've been to concerts which are dangerously loud or worked in loud environments. I've been careful with my hearing and I hear almost nothing past 18KHz.
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As a guy who performed abx, yes, the super quality switch still works, meaning the dac is working.
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I don't know what you mean by this. ABX? But PowerAmp, even in the latest alpha, is most definitely not using the AKM DAC. It sounds very different. Are you sure this Neutron player is using the DAC?
Sorry to break in, but I'm pretty sure that the latest beta of Poweramp actually used the DAC on marshmallow. I own an A2017G and I think I could get 192KHz on B05.
Now I'm on 7.0 and i can't get past 48 kHz. Where does it say which DAC is in use? (the Variant: Snapdragon thing)
EDIT: ignore everything said before, after long investigation and flashing, the stock firmware plays HIFI correctly, Using audio_flinger to check, the resolution was correct, however with a custom ROM it gets harder.
As for Pocketnow spectrum analysis, it makes no sense at all since audio_flinger doesn't lie, and all audio players are pointing that our device can play 192khz without downsampling with the Dac patch.
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Sorry to break in, but I'm pretty sure that the latest beta of Poweramp actually used the DAC on marshmallow. I own an A2017G and I think I could get 192KHz on B05.
Now I'm on 7.0 and i can't get past 48 kHz. Where does it say which DAC is in use? (the Variant: Snapdragon thing)
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It wasn't our device, max simply didn't make poweramp support our audio libs.
As for neutron, it's working fine
Same for usb audio player pro
And bothnare imo way better than poweramp.
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It wasn't our device, max simply didn't make poweramp support our audio libs.
As for neutron, it's working fine
Same for usb audio player pro
And bothnare imo way better than poweramp.
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huge bump lol. Well since the new beta it works with 192KHz and all. (i have to add, proven with media.audio_flinger). And honestly I believe Poweramp's sound engine is way superior to Neutron's, but you know, that's just opinion
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huge bump lol. Well since the new beta it works with 192KHz and all. (i have to add, proven with media.audio_flinger). And honestly I believe Poweramp's sound engine is way superior to Neutron's, but you know, that's just opinion
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Maybe, you need to consider neutron despite it's ugly ui, that thing has freescale eq, low latency settings and amazing dither, with dither neutron sounded better than poweramp and usb audio pro imo.
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Maybe, you need to consider neutron despite it's ugly ui, that thing has freescale eq, low latency settings and amazing dither, with dither neutron sounded better than poweramp and usb audio pro imo.
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well, you said it: imo.
I just noticed that, GSMAREANA reported: "Headphones dropped the loudness to way below average, while introducing an average amount of stereo crosstalk and a bit of intermodulation distortion. Not a disastrous showing by any means, but not one worth writing home about. And if you own a pair of high-impedance headphones you might want to keep in mind that you might struggle to achieve high volume levels."
does anyone (who own the phone) notice this?
im about buying it, but i'm worried i will regret cuz i always use wired headphones and dont want go near wireless ones.
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I just noticed that, GSMAREANA reported: "Headphones dropped the loudness to way below average, while introducing an average amount of stereo crosstalk and a bit of intermodulation distortion. Not a disastrous showing by any means, but not one worth writing home about. And if you own a pair of high-impedance headphones you might want to keep in mind that you might struggle to achieve high volume levels."
does anyone (who own the phone) notice this?
im about buying it, but i'm worried i will regret cuz i always use wired headphones and dont want go near wireless ones.
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Stock sounds are pretty low, but you can use the Mi headphone enhancements to amp up the audio and also use the equaliser to tune the music to your preference. It has the same amp as the Mi A2 (or A1 if you're very used it). The only phone able to surpass this on my audio Technica high impedence headphones is the LG G7 ThinQ, which is quite obvious. It isn't very extraordinaty, but nothing to complain about. Most reviewers don't check out all features and most of all, Xiaomi hasn't made it easy to find the enhancement settings
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Stock sounds are pretty low, but you can use the Mi headphone enhancements to amp up the audio and also use the equaliser to tune the music to your preference. It has the same amp as the Mi A2 (or A1 if you're very used it). The only phone able to surpass this on my audio Technica high impedence headphones is the LG G7 ThinQ, which is quite obvious. It isn't very extraordinaty, but nothing to complain about. Most reviewers don't check out all features and most of all, Xiaomi hasn't made it easy to find the enhancement settings
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Thanks for the replay, may I ask did you tried it, or some did try it, I don't want to regret after I buy it.
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Stock sounds are pretty low, but you can use the Mi headphone enhancements to amp up the audio and also use the equaliser to tune the music to your preference. It has the same amp as the Mi A2 (or A1 if you're very used it). The only phone able to surpass this on my audio Technica high impedence headphones is the LG G7 ThinQ, which is quite obvious. It isn't very extraordinaty, but nothing to complain about. Most reviewers don't check out all features and most of all, Xiaomi hasn't made it easy to find the enhancement settings
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I own the phone and would be surprised if it really had the sane audio setup as the MiA1 or A2, may I request you to share the source of tbis information.
I own a LG V20 myself and the audio quad dac was the biggest reason I wasn't giving it up, already have the f1 too but knowing it has the audio capabilities will help me take the plunge of giving up V20
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I own the phone and would be surprised if it really had the sane audio setup as the MiA1 or A2, may I request you to share the source of tbis information.
I own a LG V20 myself and the audio quad dac was the biggest reason I wasn't giving it up, already have the f1 too but knowing it has the audio capabilities will help me take the plunge of giving up V20
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I have the Poco F1 and also the MiA1 and the MiA2 and the LG G7. This is my personal experience. But I got to say, don't go into the phone expecting extraordinaty sounds like more expensive phones. If you had already used MiA1 or A2, you would know exactly what to expect. It is nothing compared to the
LG and that's what I said earlier
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I have the Poco F1 and also the MiA1 and the MiA2 and the LG G7. This is my personal experience. But I got to say, don't go into the phone expecting extraordinaty sounds like more expensive phones. If you had already used MiA1 or A2, you would know exactly what to expect. It is nothing compared to the
LG and that's what I said earlier
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Thanks for the response, and yeah certainly not expecting an experience at the level of LG's quad dac, but even something similar to MiA1 will be quite good
I tried it in my car using Bluetooth and output is pretty low. I had increase the volume to 15-16 to be able to hear anything.
I am planning to purchase POCO F1, and I am currently using Lenovo P2. I found it weird that in GSMArena review, the objective lab test numbers for audio are worse than that of Lenovo P2, when tested with headphones.
Now Lenovo P2 doesn't have a custom DAC as far as I know, and most probably be relying on SD625 embedded one.
1. So how can the above result of POCO F1 be correct, when it had SD845 Audio and POCO Claims it has a dedicated amp for 3.5mm jack as well as DiracHD tuning?
2. Or is there difference in output with the various modes in MIUI Headphone enhancements in settings?
Experienced hands please let us know. Thanks.
Because Xiaomi didn't implement Snapdragon DAC into MIUI. If anyone need the DAC for High Impedance output, just try Neutron or Poweramp Music Player.
But, be careful, sometimes because Hi-Res output came from DAC directly, volume can be too loud. Reduce your media volume first before trying
Don't worry about the sound. Someone will make a good mod in a month. So be patient. Sound mods will arrive soon and utilize the SD845 sound properly
My mi5 sounded much better than this packing a snapdragon 820 very let down by the headphone jack quality it lacks all the punch in base and clear highs i got from my mi5 :[§ hope someone makes a dac mod which enables the true potential of sd845
Will Neutron Player be able to exploit SD845 DAC? Or is there any other player readily available in PlayStore that can do it?
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I just noticed that, GSMAREANA reported: "Headphones dropped the loudness to way below average, while introducing an average amount of stereo crosstalk and a bit of intermodulation distortion. Not a disastrous showing by any means, but not one worth writing home about. And if you own a pair of high-impedance headphones you might want to keep in mind that you might struggle to achieve high volume levels."
does anyone (who own the phone) notice this?
im about buying it, but i'm worried i will regret cuz i always use wired headphones and dont want go near wireless ones.
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Yes I am using and this problem caused after recent update and Xiaomi- POCO INDIA AND GLOBAL told us via their twitter account that fix is coming soon.
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Yes I am using and this problem caused after recent update and Xiaomi- POCO INDIA AND GLOBAL told us via their twitter account that fix is coming soon.
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Could you share the Tweet link?
I hope Dolby support in MIUI 10 would give us also the ability to drive higher impedance headphones.
I had Mi A1 which used to have that output until Xiaomi murdered its sound quality last May.
I tried a flac song on sennheiser hd598, and compared against my LG V20, the sound quality was good and closeto what my V20 drives, on the poco had to punp up the volume a bit though.
Not really an audiophile, but the audio output was not bad by any means.
I'm using the Pocophone F1 with Beyerdynamic dt770 pro 80 ohm headphones and even if quality is not perfect as my other phone (Vivo X21UD) volume is similar
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Will Neutron Player be able to exploit SD845 DAC? Or is there any other player readily available in PlayStore that can do it?
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Poweramp can also do it. Until now, only those 2 players that can output Hi-Res Output directly from Snapdragon DAC.
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Could you share the Tweet link?
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Sure
https://twitter.com/atytse/status/1037700537268023296?s=19
http://en.miui.com/thread-3754917-1-1.html
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Sure
https://twitter.com/atytse/status/1037700537268023296?s=19
http://en.miui.com/thread-3754917-1-1.html
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Its just deals with the pubg audio bug
Hi - So my S20+ had an included the buds+ as freebie, before this I've never owned any of these "truly wireless" buds. My last bluetooth earphones was a Samsung level U (free from S7 edge). So my question, are these "truly wireless" type earphones really horrendous in terms of sound quality? Would the airpods pro/non-pro or other higher end buds come close to the free akg ones? Or all of these buds are really on a separate low class of there own?
If I have to arrange my earphones in order of sound quality and put spaces/underscores to emphasize the difference
free akg (from S20) ______ Level U __ some old $20 sennheiser earphones i have ___________________________________________________________ buds+
** To audiophiles and other sound enthusiasts, I know all of these are garbage tier in the earphone/headset universe. **
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Hi - So my S20+ had an included the buds+ as freebie, before this I've never owned any of these "truly wireless" buds. My last bluetooth earphones was a Samsung level U (free from S7 edge). So my question, are these "truly wireless" type earphones really horrendous in terms of sound quality? Would the airpods pro/non-pro or other higher end buds come close to the free akg ones? Or all of these buds are really on a separate low class of there own?
If I have to arrange my earphones in order of sound quality and put spaces/underscores to emphasize the difference
free akg (from S20) ______ Level U __ some old $20 sennheiser earphones i have ___________________________________________________________ buds+
** To audiophiles and other sound enthusiasts, I know all of these are garbage tier in the earphone/headset universe. **
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Both is good. Not the best out there but it's not bad.
S20 comes with adapt sound.. Personalize it and create profile for buds+ and akg Wired earphone. If tweaked properly both sounds great.
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Love the earbuds +, lovely quality sound on them and you can tweak certain things using the Samsung Wearables app.
I can also adjust things via the Poweramp app which is my default music player.
I got the Buds+ as part of my pre-order, so in anticipation of these arriving i sold the Huawei Freebuds 2 Pro that i had (and loved). Regretted it the moment the Buds+ landed and tested them. No-where near as good as advertised.
Bass quality was poor, wouldn't stay in my ears, and found them uncomfortable. I have since sold the Buds, and bought a set of Huawei Freebuds 3 to replace them. Much happier
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I got the Buds+ as part of my pre-order, so in anticipation of these arriving i sold the Huawei Freebuds 2 Pro that i had (and loved). Regretted it the moment the Buds+ landed and tested them. No-where near as good as advertised.
Bass quality was poor, wouldn't stay in my ears, and found them uncomfortable. I have since sold the Buds, and bought a set of Huawei Freebuds 3 to replace them. Much happier
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Yeah I agree bass is bad. But i do love the feature to allow outside noise to enter the earbud. Makes it very useful in airports so u can hear announcements.
Before that I was on wired nakamichi NEP-MV18, it's a dual driver earphone with very very very good sound quality. Now seeing s20 don't have headphone jack in using that only on my pc.
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Buds+ are, in fact, one of the best wireless headphones you can buy.
See some measurements: https://www.rtings.com/headphones/t...-wf-1000xm3/1791/917?usage=9287&threshold=0.1
Radek Hulán said:
Buds+ are, in fact, one of the best wireless headphones you can buy.
See some measurements: https://www.rtings.com/headphones/t...-wf-1000xm3/1791/917?usage=9287&threshold=0.1
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Measurements mean nothing when it comes to the true user experience. I found them to lack audio quality where it matters. The Freebuds3 i'm now using are far better.
Of course measurements are important ****ty headphones never measure well... I'm using myself €1,100 headphones, custom made Harmony 8.2 in-ears from Custom Art, with 8 drivers in each enclosure, but Buds+ are very decent as well, using them for sport, and measurements prove it.
Radek Hulán said:
Of course measurements are important ****ty headphones never measure well... I'm using myself €1,100 headphones, custom made Harmony 8.2 in-ears from Custom Art, with 8 drivers in each enclosure, but Buds+ are very decent as well, using them for sport, and measurements prove it.
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I don't need measurements to hear what is good or not. To me, the Buds+ were crap, not as advertised, so i got rid of them.
Depends what you prefer...
Measurements will show you headphones are or aren't able to play whole spectrum, from 50Hz to 20kHz, with no dips and spikes.
But you might prefer emphasized mids or bass, not precise sound (e.g.)
Radek Hulán said:
Depends what you prefer...
Measurements will show you headphones are or aren't able to play whole spectrum, from 50Hz to 20kHz, with no dips and spikes.
But you might prefer emphasized mids or bass, not precise sound (e.g.)
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Different ppl have different needs.
When I was younger, my car ice was tuned to emphasize on bass.. And those gigantic passive subwoofers and amplifiers..
My amps only power the subwoofers and not the speakers.
Now, I have a active subwoofer, a way better set of speakers and tweeters.. And amps connected to speakers and tuned differently.
Buds+ might be good for some, not so good for others.
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IMHO, I find the Buds+ very good, AFTER setting up a good equalizer, not the wear app one.
My music player (Stellio) has a great one, so I can enjoy a really good sound.
But I think they can't be sound lovers usable when out-of-the-box...
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IMHO, I find the Buds+ very good, AFTER setting up a good equalizer, not the wear app one.
My music player (Stellio) has a great one, so I can enjoy a really good sound.
But I think they can't be sound lovers usable when out-of-the-box...
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I would recommend you give this a try. Adapt sound from the phones sound settings.
Just by this itself the sound quality improved a lot. Then adjust the equalizer of your music player to make it even better.
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I would recommend you give this a try. Adapt sound from the phones sound settings.
Just by this itself the sound quality improved a lot. Then adjust the equalizer of your music player to make it even better.
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Can you take a screen shot of your custom settings?
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Can you take a screen shot of your custom settings?
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It's not settings at all, just run the Adapt sound process in a quiet environnement with your buds on and it will define it all by itself.
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Can you take a screen shot of your custom settings?
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Here you go. But yes you'll need to set it up. Go to a quiet place, it will play several tones at different frequency and adjust it accordingly.
I've set up a profile for buds+ and a different profile for my in car entertaiment unit.
And yes dolby is switched on for both.
The Samsung equalizers don't come close to the Poweramp equalizer.
If you're using the Buds you'll want to use Poweramp to dail them in.
I didn't like the wired AKG's that came with my 10+ at all.
can you post your settings for poweramp equalizer, also used buds + sounds great but i just increase everything in adapt sound profile.
chwads2k8 said:
can you post your settings for poweramp equalizer, also used buds + sounds great but i just increase everything in adapt sound profile.
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Try to avoid using 2 equalizers as it can add a lot of distortion. Poweramp has an excellent equalizer.
I sometimes "boost" my Poweramp EQ with the Wearables one, setting it to dynamic depending on the song. The Wearables EQ by itself though doesn't cut it.
The Buds and Buds+ have different EQ controls and aren't interchangeable. Both lack low end bass.
EQ settings are very individual and based on your unique hearing perception and preferences.
Generally though for the Buds, jack up the lower bass range especially the last sliders.
Try to make a linear transition across the sliders to form a smooth curve; abrupt heavy one band settings can lead to poorer quality sound. Center the curve starting from 0 db ie don't jack all bands beyond O db.
Turn on the limiter function to avoid clipping especially with the low bass.
This is one of my profiles for the Buds+
My thoughts. The galaxy buds+ are one of the best wireless buds available at its price point, comparable to the airpods pro. Each has there positives and negatives, if you run android tho, its an easy choice. I've tried both on both hardware (S20, i11 pro) and I personally prefer the buds+, but to each there own.
That being said.. the included AKG headphones are AMAZING, and for being included in the box, in my books beat out both... well because they're free. In my usage they also offer deeper lows and more tru mids. No matter which type of wireless ear buds I try, those are 2 things always missing.
Audio though is extremely subjective, so what I think is great, you and others may think is trash. Just dont go with airpods, you WILL be disappointed.