Have I "Bricked" My Tab? - Galaxy Tab 10.1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Recently installed the great Lollipop 5.1.1 ROM by decatf. Had some minor problems, and then learned about the 6.0.1 ROM. Downloaded the zip files for ROM and GAPPS, copied to the TAB, booted into TWRP, and tried to install. System went OK, but when I tried to install GAPPS, got a message about "not enough memory". Without GAPPS, the Tab doesn't do much. After several attempts, I told TWRP to wipe everything (checked all the boxes under wipe). Now, of course, I have NO FILES on the Tab, and seem to have no way to get files there. i.e., without a ROM on the Tab, I cannot drag files from the PC.
Looked for a file that I could install with ODIN. No luck.
Loaded ADB on my PC and tried "Sideload" under TWRP's advanced menu. Sideload says:
Updating partition details...
E:Unable to stat '/data/.layout_version'
...done
Full SELinux support is present.]
MTP Enabled
Starting ADB sideload feature...​
On the PC, I get Total xfer: 0.00x
and on TWRP it says "Failed"​
It's embarassing, but I've run out of ideas. It looks like ALL I have is TWRP. If I could get the ROM and GAPPS to the Tab, I could install them.
Can somebody please point me toward a solution?
Thanks

UncleDick said:
Recently installed the great Lollipop 5.1.1 ROM by decatf. Had some minor problems, and then learned about the 6.0.1 ROM. Downloaded the zip files for ROM and GAPPS, copied to the TAB, booted into TWRP, and tried to install. System went OK, but when I tried to install GAPPS, got a message about "not enough memory". Without GAPPS, the Tab doesn't do much. After several attempts, I told TWRP to wipe everything (checked all the boxes under wipe). Now, of course, I have NO FILES on the Tab, and seem to have no way to get files there. i.e., without a ROM on the Tab, I cannot drag files from the PC.
Looked for a file that I could install with ODIN. No luck.
Loaded ADB on my PC and tried "Sideload" under TWRP's advanced menu. Sideload says:
Updating partition details...
E:Unable to stat '/data/.layout_version'
...done
Full SELinux support is present.]
MTP Enabled
Starting ADB sideload feature...​
On the PC, I get Total xfer: 0.00x
and on TWRP it says "Failed"​
It's embarassing, but I've run out of ideas. It looks like ALL I have is TWRP. If I could get the ROM and GAPPS to the Tab, I could install them.
Can somebody please point me toward a solution?
Thanks
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go to twrp. connect ur tab 2 ur pc then go to mounts in twrp. then select "Enable MTP" twice and then u can transfer rom 2 ur tab

Won't Transfer
daneal2u said:
go to twrp. connect ur tab 2 ur pc then go to mounts in twrp. then select "Enable MTP" twice and then u can transfer rom 2 ur tab
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THANKS for the speedy and helpful response. To clarify, click "Enable MTP" once and the button changes to "Disable MTP", click on "Disable", then click on "Enable" a second time. When "Enabled", the p4wifi appears on the Windows File Explorer list. I drag the ROM file and Windows says "Copying". HOWEVER, the file does not copy. Maybe it's my driver? Downloaded Samsung Kies and reinstalled. Rebooted PC. Same thing happens.
Darn it, this SHOULD have worked.

Return to Stock?
Maybe the only choice left is to search for a stock (Samsung) image file for the p4wifi, use ODIN to flash that, and then start over with the 6.0.1 ROM?

Success...... (almost)
Downloading a stock ROM turns out to be more frustrating than one might think. i.e. Samsung doesn't seem to make ROM's available, and the web sites one gets to all appear to want a 'subscription' to download in less than a couple of hours. (I went to bed and let it go overnight!) What's the deal that there seems to be a Samsung "Region Code" for everyplace except the USA?
Used ODIN to flash the stock ROM. Once the tablet booted up, I copied 6.0.1 and flashed with TWRP. BUT..... had a devil of a time flashing gapps. Got an error, "not enough space on System partition" for every version of open gapps larger than "nano". WTF? The device is basically empty! How can there be not enough space?
Anyway, thanks to decatf, I now enjoy Android Marshmallow on a Galaxy Tab 10.1 when most commercially available tablets (except Nexus, of course) are still on Lollipop or older.
Thanks for the helpful suggestions and patience on this forum.
My original problem, alas, remains. The Amazon Kindle app does not work on this Marshmallow ROM, and it is unclear what can be done, or even where to turn for help.

Success at Last
Thanks to a post about a different software issue, I tried loading an older version of the Amazon Kindle app. Bizarre, but true . . . . now it works!
Have successfully read one of the Kindle books which caused the Kindle app to force close before.
In fact, it appears that Google Play has since updated that old Kindle app to the latest version (4.19.0.131) and it still works.
Maybe loading the older version set something up that the very newest version does not when loaded from scratch?
Anyway, I'm reading and this old Tablet lives on!
Thanks

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[SOLVED] [Q] Serious MTP Problem and other more problems.

Hello, I think i really had a serious problem with my Samsung Galaxy tab 3 7inch T210 rooted with Stock Rom and Kernels use.
I had this MTP device installation failed code 10 for almost a month.:crying:
I follow the rules before posting, I look all threads like this, and I think i already did all available solutions like trying all usb ports, uninstalling and reinstall, deleting upper filters, updating the drivers, but i cannot try the method of disabling the windows media player and renabling it or update it because when i go to windows features on or off it shows blank, and i recently downloaded wmp 11 and install it, but it says: " There is a more recent version of windows media player (12.0.7601.17514) already installed on your computer. It is not possible to use an older installation package (11.0.5721.5145) to install files or to repair your current version of the player." But honestly i dont know if i really had a latest version of it. xoxo... :cyclops:
Before, I can freely connect my tab 3 t210 to our acer laptop aspire series 7741 windows 7 64 bit with no problem with mtp device installation code 10.
But before the problem occur i was doing some stuffs to my android tablet, i was freezing and uninstalling the bloatwares and some system apps, but of course before i did that i search , System apps that can be safely removed and other stuffs related to that to be safe.
I am using System tuner by 3c, to uninstall and freeze apps. So when i look to the backup section i saw MTP application ... so I think maybe the promblem was is that , i uninstall the mtp application.apk but as far as i remember it is safe to remove in a website i visited.
So then, I try to restore it but nothing happen. So my another question is how to restore it? , or how can i get a MTP application.apk ?
PS: I already try the app called Nitrality, as i search in the threads here... but it keeps crashing when i try opening it.
And also when I root my device using odin in our laptop i dont use samsung kies, until now.
So, yeah, yesterday i do a factory reset of course before i did that i do a nandroid backup, im using TWRP recovery.
But here's the other problem the recovery didnt work! I had a habit of getting a another copy of the backup here at my laptop , to be sure.
So the 3rd Question: How to do the restore in TWRP if no file appear. but when i look to my sd card (not literally, lol) i can see my backup.
Summary:
Device: Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 7inch SM T210 rooted with Stock Rom and Kernels use
Laptop: Acer, aspire series 7741 windows 7, 64 bit operating system.
Problems:
MTP usb device installation failed
MTP application. apk uninstalled
TWRP recovery didnt work
Questions:
Any other solution for MTP usb device installation failed?
How to get or how to succesfuly restore MTP application.apk
How to work the recovery or how to appear the backup files in restore section on TWRP.
Now I had a plan to unroot my device but ofcourse dont know how b'cause my device wont install in my laptop due to the problem.
And when i successfully unroot my device, i will root it again.
SO, you see im frustrated. Any solution you have any to my problem would be highly appreciated!
But my main focus is to connect this device into my laptop to be able to unroot it and root it again and try different custom roms and kernels. And try to find the perfect combination to tab 3 t210!
SO PLease developers, seniors, juniors help me!!!!!!! :crying:
sorry for my bad english...
-pinkleviosa <3
pinkLeviosa said:
Hello, I think i really had a serious problem with my Samsung Galaxy tab 3 7inch T210 rooted with Stock Rom and Kernels use.
I had this MTP device installation failed code 10 for almost a month.:crying:
I follow the rules before posting, I look all threads like this, and I think i already did all available solutions like trying all usb ports, uninstalling and reinstall, deleting upper filters, updating the drivers, but i cannot try the method of disabling the windows media player and renabling it or update it because when i go to windows features on or off it shows blank, and i recently downloaded wmp 11 and install it, but it says: " There is a more recent version of windows media player (12.0.7601.17514) already installed on your computer. It is not possible to use an older installation package (11.0.5721.5145) to install files or to repair your current version of the player." But honestly i dont know if i really had a latest version of it. xoxo... :cyclops:
Before, I can freely connect my tab 3 t210 to our acer laptop aspire series 7741 windows 7 64 bit with no problem with mtp device installation code 10.
But before the problem occur i was doing some stuffs to my android tablet, i was freezing and uninstalling the bloatwares and some system apps, but of course before i did that i search , System apps that can be safely removed and other stuffs related to that to be safe.
I am using System tuner by 3c, to uninstall and freeze apps. So when i look to the backup section i saw MTP application ... so I think maybe the promblem was is that , i uninstall the mtp application.apk but as far as i remember it is safe to remove in a website i visited.
So then, I try to restore it but nothing happen. So my another question is how to restore it? , or how can i get a MTP application.apk ?
PS: I already try the app called Nitrality, as i search in the threads here... but it keeps crashing when i try opening it.
And also when I root my device using odin in our laptop i dont use samsung kies, until now.
So, yeah, yesterday i do a factory reset of course before i did that i do a nandroid backup, im using TWRP recovery.
But here's the other problem the recovery didnt work! I had a habit of getting a another copy of the backup here at my laptop , to be sure.
So the 3rd Question: How to do the restore in TWRP if no file appear. but when i look to my sd card (not literally, lol) i can see my backup.
Summary:
Device: Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 7inch SM T210 rooted with Stock Rom and Kernels use
Laptop: Acer, aspire series 7741 windows 7, 64 bit operating system.
Problems:
MTP usb device installation failed
MTP application. apk uninstalled
TWRP recovery didnt work
Questions:
Any other solution for MTP usb device installation failed?
How to get or how to succesfuly restore MTP application.apk
How to work the recovery or how to appear the backup files in restore section on TWRP.
Now I had a plan to unroot my device but ofcourse dont know how b'cause my device wont install in my laptop due to the problem.
And when i successfully unroot my device, i will root it again.
SO, you see im frustrated. Any solution you have any to my problem would be highly appreciated!
But my main focus is to connect this f***ing device into my laptop to be able to unroot it and root it again and try different custom roms and kernels. And try to find the perfect combination to tab 3 t210!
SO PLease developers, seniors, juniors help me!!!!!!! :crying:
sorry for my bad english...
-pinkleviosa <3
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Well, if it connected to the PC to use Odin, then it's not an issue with the drivers, just that the the missing MTP apk. Just download the stock firmware and use Odin to install. This will both unroot you and get everything back to normal so you can restart the root process. Alternatively, you could just download a stock based rom and either put that on your SD card and install or grab the MTP apk from it and make a flashable zip to install in recovery. As far as the TWRP backup, are you making sure to toggle the storage location? Should be a drop down menu to choose between internal and SD card at the top of the section to restore. If that doesn't work, then make sure you have the most up to date version and use the TWRP explorer to see if you can find it. If so, you might be able to just move the folder to another location to be found easier.
Thread closed as problem solved

Re-rooting?

I have a Note 2 (obviously), and I have rooted my phone the first day I got it and have never updated the phone since I purchased it. So, I am still on 4.1.2. My phone has been super laggy and I want to take the oppurtunity the when I reset my phone that I can take advatages of the new features that mobile phones have by upgrading all the way to 5.1.x.
So, I downloaded CM 12.1 by wilson3q with 5.1 system. I first tried the 5.0 version since the 5.1 looked too new, and did not have time to deal with the bugs. When I flashed the 5.0 version, I got errors of not being able to flash gapps for 5.0 and that I lost my root. I tried downloading the new TWRP to see if I can get a newer version that would work better, but no luck. I got an error saying that I lost my root privileges and did I want TWRP to fix it. I slid yes to fix, but no luck.
The same problem occurred when I tried with 5.1.
So, I ended up restoring my nandroid backup and I am back on 4.1.2 again with root working again.
I am thinking that I am probably supposed to 'step up' the updates, but not sure. Does anyone have a solution or a link to the solution that they can help with?
PS: I did not like the camera that came with the new mod. I do like the stock one. Are there flashes of cameras that I can use as well when I do end up upgrading?
Thank you in advance!!!
geske001 said:
I have a Note 2 (obviously), and I have rooted my phone the first day I got it and have never updated the phone since I purchased it. So, I am still on 4.1.2. My phone has been super laggy and I want to take the oppurtunity the when I reset my phone that I can take advatages of the new features that mobile phones have by upgrading all the way to 5.1.x.
So, I downloaded CM 12.1 by wilson3q with 5.1 system. I first tried the 5.0 version since the 5.1 looked too new, and did not have time to deal with the bugs. When I flashed the 5.0 version, I got errors of not being able to flash gapps for 5.0 and that I lost my root. I tried downloading the new TWRP to see if I can get a newer version that would work better, but no luck. I got an error saying that I lost my root privileges and did I want TWRP to fix it. I slid yes to fix, but no luck.
The same problem occurred when I tried with 5.1.
So, I ended up restoring my nandroid backup and I am back on 4.1.2 again with root working again.
I am thinking that I am probably supposed to 'step up' the updates, but not sure. Does anyone have a solution or a link to the solution that they can help with?
PS: I did not like the camera that came with the new mod. I do like the stock one. Are there flashes of cameras that I can use as well when I do end up upgrading?
Thank you in advance!!!
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Try Phiz recovery, I've never had trouble with "[I605][CWM Advanced Edition] PhilZ Touch". If I recall we had to start using that one when kit-kat was released (i reserve the right to recall poorly)
I have a link to download mirror here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60899023&postcount=146
from your new recovery, you should be able to install CM12.1 and 5.1 gaaps recommended in the Wilson3Q i605 thread. from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-2-verizon/development/rom-unofficial-build-i605-t3069506
FWIW, I am on the 20150803 build and still using the GApps Minimal Edition 2015-04-04 for Android 5.1 (91 MB) from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/gapps-google-apps-minimal-edition-t2943330
with no issues to report.
You may also need to track down updated radios (to flash from CWM). I think you can find a link to the updated ND7 Modem/Baseband here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2765021
somewhere in middle of first post
Good Luck!
PS you may want to flash superSU from recovery... get the zip from chainfire's xda thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053
(I've been dirty flashing for so long I dont' remember if the rom came with SuperSU or superuser... as such I can't recall if I had to flash this zip or not, but I probably did if I had issues with root)
Note you may also need to enable root from the settings menu after enabling developer mode.
there should be a "root access" option (or somehting like that there)
PPS are you also remembering to wipe data & clear cache/dalvik?
I have found zoot's mega wipe useful...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1983489
it is for the N7100/N7105, butI have used it on the i605 quite a bit. Initial test result reported here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=44093932&postcount=117
that said zoot's script is probably overkill
jheide44 said:
Try Phiz recovery, I've never had trouble with "[I605][CWM Advanced Edition] PhilZ Touch". If I recall we had to start using that one when kit-kat was released (i reserve the right to recall poorly)
I have a link to download mirror here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60899023&postcount=146
from your new recovery, you should be able to install CM12.1 and 5.1 gaaps recommended in the Wilson3Q i605 thread. from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-2-verizon/development/rom-unofficial-build-i605-t3069506
FWIW, I am on the 20150803 build and still using the GApps Minimal Edition 2015-04-04 for Android 5.1 (91 MB) from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/gapps-google-apps-minimal-edition-t2943330
with no issues to report.
You may also need to track down updated radios (to flash from CWM). I think you can find a link to the updated ND7 Modem/Baseband here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2765021
somewhere in middle of first post
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I assume that you are giving steps in order, BUT I feel that I should flash the radio to 4.4.2 first, in which the link was broken. I have spent a couple hours trying to find another link, but I am afraid that I may be using an incorrect one. Do you have a good link for that, please?
Also, I have ready the newest Samsung 3.10 Odin downloaded and installed, as well as the USB driver installed and downloaded the ADB fastboot. If I remember correctly, I am supposed to move this onto C: and run it to access the device (Note 2). It has been since Android first came out since I have used the ADB though. So, I apologize for the ignorance. So, do I just make sure the adb is in the same directory and run Odin or did I not need ADB and just run Odin?
I also assume that I run the Philz touch after I have gotten to 4.4.2 rooted first. Am I correct by assuming that?
jheide44 said:
Good Luck!
PS you may want to flash superSU from recovery... get the zip from chainfire's xda thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053
(I've been dirty flashing for so long I dont' remember if the rom came with SuperSU or superuser... as such I can't recall if I had to flash this zip or not, but I probably did if I had issues with root)
Note you may also need to enable root from the settings menu after enabling developer mode.
there should be a "root access" option (or somehting like that there)
PPS are you also remembering to wipe data & clear cache/dalvik?
I have found zoot's mega wipe useful...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1983489
it is for the N7100/N7105, butI have used it on the i605 quite a bit. Initial test result reported here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=44093932&postcount=117
that said zoot's script is probably overkill
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Yes, I have done a cache/dalvik wipe a few times (because I have tried reflashing to get it to work with no luck).
I have downloaded the .zip version of superSU as well, and gapps minimal 5.1 with wilson3q's 5.1 ROM. So, I am almost ready to go with the exception of the correct radio upgrade file.
Thank you so much for your help!!! Much appreciated!
PS Will my old WifiTether apk files still work with 5.1 or do I need to get a new one?
Thanks Again!
No need for Odin....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35396049&postcount=1
(Good read)
Just flash philz from twrp. Reboot recovery wipe/reset... then flash new ROM gaaps... Wipe/reset... Then reboot.
I can post the radio zip to my site later tonight. I believe you can flash that last, or later (from philz cwm, after getting on cm12.1)
Same as superSU. Check out ROM first. It comes with root that can be enabled in developer options. you can always reboot to recovery later and flash the zip.
PS. WiFi tether built into ROM "hotspot" (no VZW subscription required)
Pps try this for the nd7 radios
https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=23501681358546508
Sent from my SCH-I605 (VZW Note 2) on CM12.1 using Tapatalk
jheide44 said:
No need for Odin....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35396049&postcount=1
(Good read)
Just flash philz from twrp. Reboot recovery wipe/reset... then flash new ROM gaaps... Wipe/reset... Then reboot.
I can post the radio zip to my site later tonight. I believe you can flash that last, or later (from philz cwm, after getting on cm12.1)
Same as superSU. Check out ROM first. It comes with root that can be enabled in developer options. you can always reboot to recovery later and flash the zip.
PS. WiFi tether built into ROM "hotspot" (no VZW subscription required)
Pps try this for the nd7 radios
https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=23501681358546508
Sent from my SCH-I605 (VZW Note 2) on CM12.1 using Tapatalk
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I will try this later. Thank YOU! I have to take kids to practice now.
jheide44 said:
No need for Odin....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35396049&postcount=1
(Good read)
Just flash philz from twrp. Reboot recovery wipe/reset... then flash new ROM gaaps... Wipe/reset... Then reboot.
I can post the radio zip to my site later tonight. I believe you can flash that last, or later (from philz cwm, after getting on cm12.1)
Same as superSU. Check out ROM first. It comes with root that can be enabled in developer options. you can always reboot to recovery later and flash the zip.
PS. WiFi tether built into ROM "hotspot" (no VZW subscription required)
Pps try this for the nd7 radios
https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=23501681358546508
Sent from my SCH-I605 (VZW Note 2) on CM12.1 using Tapatalk
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Sorry to bother you, but I still am getting errors with Failed root access for Titanium Backup Pro. I also cannot find Developer Options in the settings menu.
I have tried flashing the radio before and after wiping and installing the ROM then gapps then superSU. I get into superSU and it asks me for root access and I grant it, but Titanium Backup Pro still says that it has no root access.
Any ideas? Thank YOU!!
geske001 said:
Sorry to bother you, but I still am getting errors with Failed root access for Titanium Backup Pro. I also cannot find Developer Options in the settings menu.
I have tried flashing the radio before and after wiping and installing the ROM then gapps then superSU. I get into superSU and it asks me for root access and I grant it, but Titanium Backup Pro still says that it has no root access.
Any ideas? Thank YOU!!
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with SuperSU installed, you may need to just need to update binaries. open SuperSU and it should prompt you if necessary. the "normal" option should work (no need to flash from recovery)
for TiBu...
--within SuperSU settings you may need to disable (uncheck) "mount name separation".
--You may also have to enable unknown sources (under settings, security).
-- there might be something to enable for USB debugging as well (TIBU should prompt for it)
FWIW, you can restore user apps/data... but I would not attempt to restore any system data. Personally, I have found it best to get to know a fresh ROM for a while before trying to restore crap from an older ROM . there might be value in re-configuring apps manually and/or restoring them one at a time (after making sure the ROM is working properly) i.e. you won't need any of those aforementioned WiFi tether apps since it is built into the ROM now.
Instructions on enabling developer options in CM ROM, from here: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Doc:_developer_options
1- In the Settings app, select About Phone (or About Tablet).
2- Scroll down, and tap the Build number entry seven times. On the seventh tap, you will be notified that "You are now a developer."
3- Return back to the main Settings menu. Developer options and Performance entries should now be visible.
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(that is likely how to enable superuser that is "baked" into the rom, given you already installed SuperSU it may only complicate matters)
You may be rooted and just having TiBu issues. If all else fails you can check with an app. A long time ago, I've used "Simple Root Checker" by SimoneDev to check root/busybox. It is still in the play store.
Good Luck!
jheide44 said:
with SuperSU installed, you may need to just need to update binaries. open SuperSU and it should prompt you if necessary. the "normal" option should work (no need to flash from recovery)
for TiBu...
--within SuperSU settings you may need to disable (uncheck) "mount name separation".
--You may also have to enable unknown sources (under settings, security).
-- there might be something to enable for USB debugging as well (TIBU should prompt for it)
FWIW, you can restore user apps/data... but I would not attempt to restore any system data. Personally, I have found it best to get to know a fresh ROM for a while before trying to restore crap from an older ROM . there might be value in re-configuring apps manually and/or restoring them one at a time (after making sure the ROM is working properly) i.e. you won't need any of those aforementioned WiFi tether apps since it is built into the ROM now.
Instructions on enabling developer options in CM ROM, from here: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Doc:_developer_options
(that is likely how to enable superuser that is "baked" into the rom, given you already installed SuperSU it may only complicate matters)
You may be rooted and just having TiBu issues. If all else fails you can check with an app. A long time ago, I've used "Simple Root Checker" by SimoneDev to check root/busybox. It is still in the play store.
Good Luck!
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Thank you! It ended up being my version of Titanium Backup. I downloaded a new version and it is good. As far as restoring is concerned, I do not even want the apps themselves restored from there, because there may be a new version and would like a fresh install of those apps. I just want my data restored. For example, I have a surveillance software that I would just like to restore the entries (IP's usernames and passwords). I would like my email settings to be there, so that I do not have to re setup my 7 email addresses. My Text/SMS messages and my alarms. So, I am not trying to do a full restore.
On another note, I am trying to get my calendars back into my phone with no luck. I cannot install google calendar and get my google calendars to populate into my task widget, and the ROM is not letting me set up my POP email addresses. Also, I see no ringtones, so I have no ringers to ring my phone nor tones for my alarm clock. I flashed gapps for 5.1 and I see nothing extra from the ROM. I thought gapps was google apps. Am I trying to do stuff differently than you? There seems to be a few problems in that manner that I am trying to work with.
I am thinking of downgrading to 5.0. Maybe the 5.1 is too new?
Again, THANK YOU for your help!
geske001 said:
Thank you! It ended up being my version of Titanium Backup. I downloaded a new version and it is good. As far as restoring is concerned, I do not even want the apps themselves restored from there, because there may be a new version and would like a fresh install of those apps. I just want my data restored. For example, I have a surveillance software that I would just like to restore the entries (IP's usernames and passwords). I would like my email settings to be there, so that I do not have to re setup my 7 email addresses. My Text/SMS messages and my alarms. So, I am not trying to do a full restore.
On another note, I am trying to get my calendars back into my phone with no luck. I cannot install google calendar and get my google calendars to populate into my task widget, and the ROM is not letting me set up my POP email addresses. Also, I see no ringtones, so I have no ringers to ring my phone nor tones for my alarm clock. I flashed gapps for 5.1 and I see nothing extra from the ROM. I thought gapps was google apps. Am I trying to do stuff differently than you? There seems to be a few problems in that manner that I am trying to work with.
I am thinking of downgrading to 5.0. Maybe the 5.1 is too new?
Again, THANK YOU for your help!
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I wouldn't downgrade, nobody is actively working on 5.0.2 anymore.... that thread is basically dead. Also, it is likely less "stable"/mature than what you have installed now (that is currently being maintained). i.e. you have the ROM that I would stick with.
like I said I wouldn't restore any thing into system (apps or data)... you can do whatever you please. (but it could be causing you more issues than just biting the bullet & configuring manually) i.e. restoring accounts might result in unanticipated issues, you came from a much older version of android.
all I had to do was install google calendar from play store and then the CM12 calendar stuff all worked (I might have had to restart and/or install the google calendar prior to setting up primary gmail). you might need to remove all your accounts and load them again (a factory reset might be faster though.)
also you might have to update google services and the play store before certain things "play nice".
I know you don't want to hear this but...
from here on out i'll likely point to all your issues being based on restoring system data. (based on my limited knowledge and personal experience). FWIW, I'd try to reconfigure/setup everything manually and you will likely have much better results.
jheide44 said:
I wouldn't downgrade, nobody is actively working on 5.0.2 anymore.... that thread is basically dead. Also, it is likely less "stable"/mature than what you have installed now (that is currently being maintained). i.e. you have the ROM that I would stick with.
like I said I wouldn't restore any thing into system (apps or data)... you can do whatever you please. (but it could be causing you more issues than just biting the bullet & configuring manually) i.e. restoring accounts might result in unanticipated issues, you came from a much older version of android.
all I had to do was install google calendar from play store and then the CM12 calendar stuff all worked (I might have had to restart and/or install the google calendar prior to setting up primary gmail). you might need to remove all your accounts and load them again (a factory reset might be faster though.)
also you might have to update google services and the play store before certain things "play nice".
I know you don't want to hear this but...
from here on out i'll likely point to all your issues being based on restoring system data. (based on my limited knowledge and personal experience). FWIW, I'd try to reconfigure/setup everything manually and you will likely have much better results.
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I figured that, and feared that and the same time. So, what am I flashing onto the phone with gapps then? Also, one of the reasons I was wanting to go back was because there are a few apps that are not 'compatible' with this system. Meanwhile, I am going to wipe and reset again, and do what you suggested and just reconfigure.
Thanks again!
geske001 said:
I figured that, and feared that and the same time. So, what am I flashing onto the phone with gapps then? Also, one of the reasons I was wanting to go back was because there are a few apps that are not 'compatible' with this system. Meanwhile, I am going to wipe and reset again, and do what you suggested and just reconfigure.
Thanks again!
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GAaps are the google apps... good read:
http://wiki.rootzwiki.com/Google_Apps
(hopefully I am not out of line for posting a link to that wiki)
many ROMS like CM don't' include gaaps due to licencing/legal issues. which is why the AOSP roms devs often have you flash the GAAPS package separately (also you can pick your package for your fact pattern... full gaaps/minimal gaaps/etc.).
Also the gaaps zip files you flash from recovery install the files into system. a lot of folks like the minimal editions of GAaps because it doesn't force all the apps into system. instead it just gets you up and running with the play store and a few essentials... that lets the user install all the other google apps as user apps, from the play store.
basically taking the "debloat" mentality as far as you can... keep stuff out of system and let the user decide what to install.

Z4 RK3368 Android LP5.1/MM6 Octa Core 64bit 2/16gb TV Box

Hey Guys,
I have a couple questions about this android box I purchased that's had me somewhat puzzled.
I have been an avid android user over the past many years. I am familiar with flashing tons of roms to all the phones I have had. Except my s6, it just sucks for roms. Anyways I have purchased the android box in this link (can't post links this new) I can't seem to fine a manufacturer website, I've Google a million things about the box and searched but I can't find anything. even in the instruction book there's no website or anything.
basically I'm looking to figure out how to at least update this box. there's no option in about device. also I don't like how the flash drive on the device is split into nand flash and regular storage. I would like to merge them all into one. I am also looking for custom roms that might enable me to achieve that, however nowhere I look has this box in their forums or anywhere. maybe it's a cloned box? there are other boxes that have the exact same components (or so they say) with custom firmware, however I don't want to chance it and rich bricking this device.
anyone that can offer any help or lead me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. thank you in advance!
CPU-Rockchip*3368*Octa-Core(1.5GHZ)
GPU-Quad-Core*Mail-T6X*series
Memory-DDRIII*2GB
Flash-EMMC*16GB*(Support*32GB)
WiFi*- 2.4GB+5GBIRInfra*
Remote*control
Bluetooth4.0*
PowerDC*input**
5V/2AAccessoriesgift*box
Power*charger*adapterHDM*cableIR*remote*controlAV*cableUser*ManualI/O1*HDM*2.0Up*to*2160P(2K*4K)2*USB*HOSTHost**USB port1*SPDIFCoaxial*1*TF*CARDSUPPORT*1~32GB1*RJ451000*BaseT1*Power*input5V/2ASoftwareOSAndroid*5.1 LollipopVideoMKV,WMV/VC-1*SP/MP/AP,MPG,MPEG,dat,avi,mov,iso,mp4,rm,H.264,H.265,realVideo*8/9/10,etc.*up*to*2160PAudioMP3,AAC,WMA,RM,FLAC,OGGPicturejpg,JPEG,MJPEG,PNGAdobe*FlashAdobe*Flash*10.1*support*or*aboveSupport*languageChinese*,*English*,Germany*,Japanese,*Korea**etc.**24*languagesDLNASupports Video and Music Playback over networkGoogleTV*RemoteThrough*wi-fi*network*to*realize*control*the*productLANThrough*the*LAN,*can*check*other*devices*to*share*information3D*moiveSupport*3D*movieMotivator*air-mouseSupport*the*body*feeling*game,*such*as*playing*tennis,*paper*planes,*shooting,*etcApplicationsOnlineBrowse*all**video*websitesAppsDownload games and applications from the Google play storeMediumLocal*Media*playback,support for HDD, SD*cardTalk*onlineSupport**SKYPE*video**call*,MSN*,*facebook*,twitter etcOthersSupports Wifi, has router network extender functionsSupports KODI,*Email*and more
Many roms / firmwares being updated for this device:
http://freaktab.com/forum/tv-player...y-x6-acemax-ak838-z4-rk3368-ekb368-custom-rom
http://chinagadgetsreviews.blogspot.ro/2016/01/download-latest-android-lollipop-511.html?m=1
This 1 used by me and referred in other posts. Fast and stable. 16gb unified storage. Kodi and the works.
Make sure you use restore in FactoryTool_v1.39 from archive:
http://download1691.mediafire.com/p...dating+instruction&Drivers&Flashing+Tools.zip
http://4pda.ru/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t702783-100.html
roland deschan said:
Many roms / firmwares being updated for this device:
http://freaktab.com/forum/tv-player...y-x6-acemax-ak838-z4-rk3368-ekb368-custom-rom
http://chinagadgetsreviews.blogspot.ro/2016/01/download-latest-android-lollipop-511.html?m=1
This 1 used by me and referred in other posts. Fast and stable. 16gb unified storage. Kodi and the works.
Make sure you use restore in FactoryTool_v1.39 from archive:
http://download1691.mediafire.com/p...dating+instruction&Drivers&Flashing+Tools.zip
http://4pda.ru/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t702783-100.html
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I just picked up one of these about a week ago and found instructions to install TWRP and update SuperSU. The box had 'root' out of the box but it was some specialized root based on an old version of SuperSU (1.93 I believe).
I have successfully installed TWRP 2.8.7.0 and updated to SuperSU 2.46.
Since this is just an android tablet essentially, does anyone know if you can flash these ROMs through TWRP?
Not to my knowledge, just use above tool. It will go alive once you are in bootloader with usb otg cable connected to win (of course with driver pack etc. installed). Titanium or else can do that, instead of trying to press reset button while powering on. Of course recovery will go back to default.
roland deschan said:
Not to my knowledge, just use above tool. It will go alive once you are in bootloader with usb otg cable connected to win (of course with driver pack etc. installed). Titanium or else can do that, instead of trying to press reset button while powering on. Of course recovery will go back to default.
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Are you running liamstears custom ROM or the 12/22 factory firmware?
The split internal storage is something I would like to do without, but I was wondering if it was changed on the 12/22 factory firmware?
12/22 firmware. Fast and stable.
Havent tried liamstears yet. Feedback if you do please.
awesome thanks! thats what I suspected when I was going through the firmwares for these devices. I just wasn't sure if the z4 rk3368 device would work on this one. I've seen a few brands with z4 and as I know with phones.. wrong brand and you're bricked lol. anyways.. I ended up buying a tronsmart vega s95 telos.. but it didn't come rooted. so I rooted it and now I'm getting play services force close and all sorts of bugs and errors.. maybe I'll just keep the z4. it seems to work better.
what link did you follow to get twrp installed?? same thing I'm guessing, punch z4 twrp in google and eventually come upon the right place.
12/22 factory firmware? mines stuck at Nov 10 I think.. it won't let me update using the rk settings app.. which is why I was fed up with it in the first place lol.
12/22 firmware. Unified 16gb App storage. More available with microsd card. Fully functional Kodi with channels, etc. 4k HEVC x265 movies. Youtube 1080p.
Easiest method to update rom is to put extracted update.img from zip file
http://chinagadgetsreviews.blogspot.ro/2016/01/download-latest-android-lollipop-511.html?m=1
on a sdcard / usb and boot. After about a minute into the Android desktop, system will ask for update prompt. Only applicable to system still with default recovery.
If you have some stability issues or with different recovery, you can backup your apps / data with Titanium etc. and then use above Factory tool restore new rom.
These roms usually come with their own recovery, but some modded ones with TWRP/full root, supersu and all. But you dont really need them.
thanks a lot man! I'm downloading right now and will test it on my box tomorrow after work!
I've tried 100 times and it just keeps saying failed to mount /mnt/external_sd (no such device)
I'm using my USB flash drive.
this is becomming a huge pain in the just to update I'm starting to think why this company can make these products and not have any support or anything for it . and that flash tool is in mandarin and I can't even figure out how to work that. I put in the update.img and press go.. but whenever I try to boot to download mode like you mentioned in one of the posts it just turns off the box.. this thing is literally a piece of junk. and so is this tronsmart vega s95.. same thing. it's extremely frustrating. whoever developed this z4 box did a really chappy job on the firmware.. and I do not recommend it to anyone..
If you had gone through the instructions pdf, it clearly shows how to change into English by pressing the World icon. Remember in bootloader mode the tv screen would be black, if you are using the tool. The big red button will turn into green to show readiness.
For automatic update you dont even have to go into recovery as seen in attached image. Easiest.
Hi Roland,
love to see that there are already XDA-members looking at the Z4 TV box. I have just ordered one and hope to get it within a few weeks. Just some dumb questions, hoping you can provide me with some information:
- I see that there are several 'versions' of the Z4: for instance Acemax, but I have ordered the Andoer. Are those just different manufacturers?
- Are there any differences in model/content (installed app's) per manufacturer?
- If my Andoer turned out to have an older firmware than the 22/12, could I still use the Acemax 22/12 firmware you refered to in your link?
- Kodi will be preinstalled, I saw. I do not know what version of Kodi that will be, but can it just be updated to the most recent version in the Google Play Store?
- I do not know what other apps are installed, but is it possible to de-install apps you do not need, or are they part of the firmware and impossible to delete
I know, part of the answers I surely will discover once I got the Z4, but I just can't wait to start experimenting, even it is only in my mind
Thanks in advance!
Jos
hi Roland
I tried that batch tool first which is the one I couldn't change languages in lol. but the other tool with the red button I changed into English. however I did not know that it would remain blank when in download mode. I will have to give it one more go tonight with it. I figured that I loaded it into bootloader and the z4 box light turned red so I thought it was off and didn't load to bootloader.
I also did the USB update and it would just fail on me every time I used it. the update prompt did come up and I pressed install. perhaps I need to check if USB debugging is on. I think it is but it wouldn't hurt to check. but I think I will have to go through the factory tool to update way for sure.
thanks for your help roland, I will write back after I give it another go tonight!
i can't find the 22/12 update ! can anybody share the link direct to firmware ?
@DriftJos
l have got an Andoer too. Most of these brands come from the same hardware factory and thus have the same specs/apps.
Yes you will use the same firmware https://mega.nz/#!JBBXgDgC!VSra8Hc6KR77Pvdw67eDpjeT_ku-TXdYgYaInSAfyvU (direct link @prisim) or several user dev roms. Unified 16gb app storage etc and the works.
You can uninstall bundled Kodi (by Titanium free etc.) by official Kodi Jarvis 16.0 beta 5 & such with pass-through support test builds @ http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=252852
Again you will be able to uninstall useless apps directly or through Titanium.
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@mikekuel25
Always mention the firmware version you are having and which recovery? The automatic update should work if you still have the factory recovery.
Check the FactoryTool process in attached images.
I'm trying to flash the firmware that I downloaded from that China gadgets site that was mentioned on this thread. I think it's the stock 12/22 for the device. and I have stock recovery.
I extracted the update.exe file and saved it to my USB drive plugged it in and restarted. relieved the update prompt. chose install update and it rebooted into recovery and tried to apply the update but it fails. I'm not ready to give up yet with this device lol. it's just another platform I have to learn. it took me a bit with smartphones to figure it out back in the day.. perhaps it's the same thing now..
and I'm updated to 12/22.. awesome. those pictures really helped me man thanks.
now as for installing twrp and all that. you mentioned that it's not really needed? I'm assuming I can flash any rom given they are in .img format using factory tool. however the benefit of twrp would be an easier interface for creating nandroid backups and clearing cache/factory reset. perhaps I will install it. i might give leamstears rom a try. I will let you know how it is if I do.
thanks again!
so I updated to the new 12/22.. everything works fine except with Google play store.. I keep getting a can't retrieve source error with everything I try to download. I've refreshed and factory reset the firmware 5 times now and kept trying.
so I got fed up with the stock so I tried leamstears rom and it works great.. except sometimes it just becomes completely unresponsive. I'm starting to think there is something wrong with this box. even on stock firmware from the box I've been having issues with unresponsive freezing.
what do you think of the nvidia shield?
mikekuel25 said:
so I updated to the new 12/22.. everything works fine except with Google play store.. I keep getting a can't retrieve source error with everything I try to download. I've refreshed and factory reset the firmware 5 times now and kept trying.
so I got fed up with the stock so I tried leamstears rom and it works great.. except sometimes it just becomes completely unresponsive. I'm starting to think there is something wrong with this box. even on stock firmware from the box I've been having issues with unresponsive freezing.
what do you think of the nvidia shield?
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The PlayStore error you were seeing is because the 12/22 firmware comes with a *very* old version (5.2.x). The PlayStore will eventually update everything to the latest version by itself but if you don't want to wait, go over to apkmirror.com and download PlayStore 6.0.5 and install it manually. Once you do, it should also update the Play Services to 8.4.x and your should be good to go. I had this issue as well but I had seen it before and knew I needed to update.
So far the 12/22 version has been great, and having the unified internal storage is a huge plus.
If you feel so inclined, knowing that some of the custom builds of Kodi take up a large amount of space... there is this trick that was introduced in Helix:
http://kodi.wiki/view/HOW-TO:Change data location for Android
This will allow you to have only the Kodi app on internal storage (~125 MB) and any data from addons/programs etc. in another location (such as an external SD).
I often
1. Install Kodi on internal storage
2. Zip up the contents of org.xbmc.com directory
3. Copy it to external storage
4. Unzip it in /external_sd/kodi_data
5. Create the xbmc_env.properties file that references my Kodi data location.
6. Delete the contents of /sdcard/Android/data/org.xbmc.com/
Voila! You have freed up internal storage.... You can also persist a Kodi setup this way or run multiple custom installs. If you re-image your media box, you can re-install Kodi and as long as the xbmc_env.properties points to your external_sd with your Kodi data, it will start right up back into your setup... :good:

After upgrade from Android 4.2: Stuck with Android 5.1 and GApps for 4.2, unusable

I have painted myself into a corner with a Samsung Galaxy S 2. It is my
girlfriend's phone and she wanted to play Pokemon Go. The Android
version there was 4.2 (CyanogenMod) with appropriate Google Apps. It has been
working reasonably well.
Pokemon Go needs to have at least Android 4.4, so an update was due. There was
a CyanogenMod snapshot of 12.1 (Android 5.1) which was installable from within
the old CyanogenMod. I hoped that this would go through well and we did the
upgrade. After the upgrade it indeed had Android 5.1. However, the Google Apps
directly crash, especially the Trebuchet launcher. This means that one cannot
start any apps or use any Google services. Especially the Google Play Store
does not work, it shows the error message [RH-01].
I first thought that we had upgraded to Android 4.4, therefore I installed the
Open GApps nano for 4.4:
(Due to forums policy I am not allowed to hotlink or link to the images.
So this is the best I can do now.)
http ://i.imgur.com/DRHqxNx.jpg
This then (unsurprisingly) failed:
http ://i.imgur.com/qjzrDKw.jpg
At least the error message was really helpful! So then I downloaded Open
GApps nano for 5.1. This then also failed because the GApps that I
have installed together with CyanogenMod years ago were not Open GApps but some
other package:
http ://i.imgur.com/0tI6eEn.jpg
At this point I got uneasy. Her phone turned into a paperweight with a
lockscreen. Since I could not seem to move the GApps forward without flashing
the ROM again, I tried to to so without wiping the data. For this I selected
the update mechanism in Cyanogen Recovery and flashed the Android 5.1
ROM onto the device. After this I tried to install the GApps again. However,
those still fail to install. Here I would guess that the CyanogenMod 12.1
“installer” does not wipe the system partition and leaving remnants of the old
GApps package there.
Since it got late I tried to at least get back to the old state and downloaded
the CyanogenMod with Android 4.2. Trying to flash this failed as the device
type was not picked up correctly:
http ://i.imgur.com/yZ9ilM1.jpg
I do not understand this error. This (or a very similar) version of CyanogenMod
has been present on the device up til yesterday. Why doesn't that work any
more.
A friend of mine suggested to replace the Cyanogen Recovery with the
TWRP. For this I have downloaded the appropriate IMG file from Team Win.
Then using heimdall-frontend on Linux I pulled out the PIT file and put the PIT
file back with the twrp.img file onto the recovery partition. Although the
heimdall-frontend told me that I had a success, there was still the Cyanogen
Recovery.
My current guess is that this phone has hardware which does not allow for a
separate recovery partition unless there is an IsoRec kernel installed. The
CyanogenMod 12.1 should have that, but the recovery is probably the one from
the CyanogenMod 10.1 as the option to update the recovery partition was not
checked when performing the OTA upgrade.
I'm stuck and I have no idea how to get the phone into a working condition. Do
you perhaps have an idea what I could do now?
Hi,
CM12.1 Snapshot unfortunately doesn't have isorec, hence you can not install the twrp .img file.
You can flash this and it will give you isorec kernel:
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24407100847293132
You will then be able to flash TWRP here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/devdb/project/dl/?id=17876
Once that's install, reboot back into the recovery and you should have TWRP.
Wipe /system, /cache and /dalvik cache.
Flash ROM then flash gapps, then flash isorec kernel again (because once you flash ROM, you will have overwritten the kernel).
If you can't install gapps and it says you have insufficient space, use opengapps 5.1 pico instead.
gsstudios
I managed to install the IsoRec kernel. Then flashing TWRP worked and I was able to use it. The installation of Android 5.1 has worked, but I still had issues after cleaning up /system. Installing Android 4.2 or 4.4 did not help, it kept crashing either way. 4.2 even had an infinite boot loop.
Then I ended up wiping /data and installed 5.1 and the GApps Pico package. Then everything worked, even Pokémon Go.
Thank you for your help, you saved a phone from being unusable .
I have a smiliar issue. I updated to CM 13.0 as well to newest TWRP. I wanted now to install Open Gapps Pico package but can't flash because of insufficient system space.
Do you have an idea what to do now ?
Achi92131 said:
... but can't flash because of insufficient system space.
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Perhaps you should open up a new thread as this one does not have the correct heading for it.
As far as I have understood, one can use odin/heimdall and some modified PIT file to repartition the device and make /system larger. I suggest you further look into the partitioning of the system and make /system larger.
Python Guy said:
Perhaps you should open up a new thread as this one does not have the correct heading for it.
As far as I have understood, one can use odin/heimdall and some modified PIT file to repartition the device and make /system larger. I suggest you further look into the partitioning of the system and make /system larger.
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Thanks Phyton Guy, I will do that.
Tired of failed installed GAPPS ? Different reasons and many many lost time ...
Here is alternative :
1. Install UC Browser
2. Inside , you will find : 9Apps ( the same app as PlayStore )
3. Install 9Apps
- same app as PlayStore
- every app related to Google : working fine.
*** BONUS - install Video Downloader for UC Browser - search Google for this as APK file .
you can download on your phone any video on youtube , inside UC Browser .
That's it ! It's so simple and ...No more Google domination on your Phone !

LG GPAD 7 410 LTE: Confused about installing Cyangenmod

I've been working on trying to get Cyangenmod installed for several days now, off and on. So far I haven't bricked my Gpad, but have had some harrowing issues -- like the Play Store no longer works, and I have no internet browsers left on the gpad. But no matter, I have an SD card and have been transferring apk's and other files that way.
Anyway, I think I am close, but not quite there. Currently the status is I have root access, I have Flashify and Titanium Pro and TWRP all installed on the phone. I have the latest Cyangenmod .img and .zip files for my tablet model (installed in internal SDCARD folder). I tried pointing Flashify to the .zip file I downloaded and it first asked if it should copy the file to a "Safe" location -- I said sure, go ahead. IT returned with an unsuccessful message. So I thought "screw it" and just went ahead without saving it. At this point it appeared to work, I saw the "DOS-like" scroll of text with a volume-button menu of options. I just chose reboot, and the tablet rebooted -- but nothing was changed. Still have the LG and ATT screens, no Play Store, etc.
So obviously I chose something wrong. What is it? I don't know how to use TWRP first if needed, I was trying to Flashify the Cyangenmod .zip file first and then start looking into TWRP. Do I need to do something with TWRP first?
At this point I don't know enough to ask the right questions, but need some kind of boost to get Cyangenmod running on my phone. Any help appreciated.
Any advice?
Any suggestion to solve the problem?
Now that everyone is sending back their recalled Samsung Note phones, does anyone have time to help out here?
Use Flashify to install TWRP. You can then boot to recovery from Flashify and then use TWRP to make a backup and then install the rom zip and Gapps zip from there after performing a factory reset. It's usually recommended to wipe the system too to prepare for a complete clean install. I'd make sure that you have everything backed up to a computer that might be important as well as the original firmware downloaded, in case something goes wrong and you need to start over.
Thanks for the reply. I figured out the problem -- it was that the word "recovery" in Android-speak is not a verb -- it is a noun. I needed to install the "recovery file" and point Flashify to it, once I did that everything clicked into place and it booted up Cyangenmod.
I doubt many people are reading this (given the response rate) but to the moderators of xda, I suggest you put one "quick steps and necessary apps" on the home page of the site in a highly prominent place. xda is full of all sorts of great info, and if you are an advanced user this may be heaven -- but noobies like myself cannot see the forest for the trees. There are actually too many starting places, and many of them are hard to find. There are dozens of forums, ads flashing left and right -- it is like trying to go fishing in a disco.
Having said that, I do appreciate the info I was able to find and piece together.

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