The z3V camera is disappointing to me. The Sony pixel interpolation software leaves a lot to be desired. A close up of a 20MP photo in sunlight reveals terrible cluster shadows and jaggies. Everyone knows (or should) that a 1/2.3" sensor cannot physically hold 20MP. (More like about 8.2.) Even when the size is set to 8 MP it looks terrible.
I've helped port some Canon P&S cameras on the CHDK forums years back. We got them to do focus and meter bracketing, added manual focusing, intervalometer, manual iso settings, etc, which were not options offered on any pocket camera back then. We also got them to save files uncompressed and untouched by software as .tiff files. The raw files show the true sensor size in the exif data, and allow post processing software of your choice. They come out far superior to what any in-camera software does.
Can someone add the ability to save photos taken by the z3V as .tiff or raw files? Currently I use Camera VF-5 which gives a decent UI and a few manual controls. But there are some manual controls missing -in other words, the z3V doesn't have the hardware to support all of the functions the app can. Seems the only thing this camera has going for it as far as bragging rights is the 20MP capability, and is not even that good.
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Well in lollipop there is raw support. Sony needs to add it via a update. Which they are currently asking if users want
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I've read that Sony is asking that since posting this. But I also read that many many phones are not working with RAW, as in Lollipop uses code that the markets need to release compatible firmware to make use of it?
I just combed through a year long thread of exhausting work done by devs on this and their site got shut down because someone said it was malware.
Stay put, you should see the attachment in my latest thread that I have of the Z3v.
...Staying put, but checking in several times daily...
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...Staying put, but checking in several times daily...
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If you look at his official lollipop at the end of January post.. His first post the opening ones has 2 attachments. He has the z5 camera on his z3v with a much bigger expansion of options for the camera.
If do a Google for "Z5 camera apk" you will find the port and that it is buggy still.
The z5 camera itself doesn't support RAW files. AFAK Sony hasn't implemented it yet.
I personally like the ui of the older camera that's on the z3V. I installed the z5 last week and the ui is awful. Everything that the current z3V camera has worked fine. But no RAW without some writing it in somehow I guess.
I have to assume (hope) that's what GigaSPX is working on.
I believe that, because of the hardware, the z3 camera is capable of producing fantastic RAW files for manual post editing. The in-device software crunches the photo to hell and back.
I just tried to find out how many pixels are on this sensor, and there are indeed 20.3MP. (So my initial post in this thread is all wrong in that regard...).
But the sensor size means the pixels are extremely small and light becomes a real problem.
According to Techspot, The iPhone 6 8MP sensors individual pixels are capable of processing 88% more light than those of the Sony z3 sensor. The iPhone 6 sensor is smaller than the Z3V sensor, but the individual pixel size is much larger.
Sure, when you try to supersize the iPhone photo you'll start to see individual pixels, but when you supersize the Sony picture you see patches of pixels muddled together. Somehow it's even worse.
The ability to capture in DNG will be a refreshing compromise for a limited piece of hardware that is on the higher end of the phone spectrum.
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The z5 camera itself doesn't support RAW files. AFAK Sony hasn't implemented it yet.
I personally like the ui of the older camera that's on the z3V. I installed the z5 last week and the ui is awful. Everything that the current z3V camera has worked fine. But no RAW without some writing it in somehow I guess.
I have to assume (hope) that's what GigaSPX is working on.
I believe that, because of the hardware, the z3 camera is capable of producing fantastic RAW files for manual post editing. The in-device software crunches the photo to hell and back.
I just tried to find out how many pixels are on this sensor, and there are indeed 20.3MP. (So my initial post in this thread is all wrong in that regard...).
But the sensor size means the pixels are extremely small and light becomes a real problem.
According to Techspot, The iPhone 6 8MP sensors individual pixels are capable of processing 88% more light than those of the Sony z3 sensor. The iPhone 6 sensor is smaller than the Z3V sensor, but the individual pixel size is much larger.
Sure, when you try to supersize the iPhone photo you'll start to see individual pixels, but when you supersize the Sony picture you see patches of pixels muddled together. Somehow it's even worse.
The ability to capture in DNG will be a refreshing compromise for a limited piece of hardware that is on the higher end of the phone spectrum.
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I was surprised my other thread was locked out due to it going off topic before I could say something to bring it back to being on topic again. Here was what I wanted to reply to everyone in regards to the assumptions:
I appreciate all your guys support, but I've never once admitted to being a developer. I'm currently a 5th year senior finishing my bachelors in business and busy running part of the family business that's in no way related to development. I'd definitely love to learn but I'd definitely consider later on in the year. For now, I just help out with other users who share their time in making the most use out of the Z3v. :highfive:
Oh and there isn't RAW support since it really is up to Sony to add that on there.
And to @1linuxfreak:
Although I'm no dev, I've partaken in many trials of Android mods and actually a few customized ROMs from the Z3v from another user. Of those many times, I've had softbricked my phone, and broke a lot of things within my phone, such as calling. It was a frustrating day to figure out what went wrong when I can make calls, but not fully receive calls from important people that day.
As for the Z5 Camera mod made specially to be compatible for the Z3v, I am pushing that time to the end of the month in case there is an official OTA so I can bundle everything together for an easy jump to the official Lollipop. Otherwise if it's another flopped announcement, I will make the zip available.
I'll tell everyone this though, unlocking the bootloader is no easy feat. There were times that it came close, but ultimately hard bricked for Verizon warranty. This person you should thank for making his several attempts and actually got booted from Verizon's insurance is @zachariahpope .
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I see a lot of people developing their own flavor of gingerbread for the Evo 3D and that's awesome. But I don't see much improving other aspects of the phone that could be universal... like the camera.
I'm a photographer/video producer so this sort of thing is important to me and I don't want to carry my big camera everywhere. We all know the biggest issue with the camera is the green-tinted pictures taken with the flash. I don't even see a white balance setting for the flash available to choose manually.
I had read that there were a lot of other features promised but removed from this phone's camera such as scene modes (though I could care less about this).
Another issue I've read about and noticed is the jpg compression used for the camera. It's good for the small screen and web, but too heavily compressed for anything else.
Then there's an issue of when you half-press the shutter button, it focuses (good) then press all the way it re-focuses. The proper way this should work is focus on half press, snap photo without another focus on the full press.
The shutter lag is awful too, but I guess it's pretty much the norm as far as phones go.
Of course I have a wishlist of things to be added *cough new mytouch camera cough* but someone needs to figure out this green flash problem first...
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I see a lot of people developing their own flavor of gingerbread for the Evo 3D and that's awesome. But I don't see much improving other aspects of the phone that could be universal... like the camera.
I'm a photographer/video producer so this sort of thing is important to me and I don't want to carry my big camera everywhere. We all know the biggest issue with the camera is the green-tinted pictures taken with the flash. I don't even see a white balance setting for the flash available to choose manually.
I had read that there were a lot of other features promised but removed from this phone's camera such as scene modes (though I could care less about this).
Another issue I've read about and noticed is the jpg compression used for the camera. It's good for the small screen and web, but too heavily compressed for anything else.
Then there's an issue of when you half-press the shutter button, it focuses (good) then press all the way it re-focuses. The proper way this should work is focus on half press, snap photo without another focus on the full press.
The shutter lag is awful too, but I guess it's pretty much the norm as far as phones go.
Of course I have a wishlist of things to be added *cough new mytouch camera cough* but someone needs to figure out this green flash problem first...
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i have very little professional photography experience and def don't have the eye to pick up on the color differences as they appear very subtle to me.
are there any camera apps in the market which implement some of the features you've listed?
as far as modifying the htc camera apk file, it is not open sourced so all work will have to be done through reverse engineering.
the compression setting was mentioned a few days ago in a thread here and i did research it in the AOSP version of the camera apk which is open sourced. i was able to find the line with the compression setting and it should be fairly simple to modifying the settings panel to provide an option for the user to adjust this. all the info is in my post on that thread.
if you wanted to post up your wish list of camera features, or contact some of the camera app devs in the market with your feature list, given you have a professional photography background, i would think they would be open to your suggestions.
Thanks for the reply. I didn't realize it would take so much reverse engineering there. And yes, some photos with the flash are harder to tell the off white balance, but I stopped using the flash and never taking night pics with this phone... Day time photos are awesome if not for the compression.
I haven't had much luck in finding any camera apps yet, hasn't occurred to me really. But I do love HDR Pro for the hdr pics - if anyone's interested in experimenting with that (takes a couple pics in dif exposures then combines them for a more natural and detailed photo)
I guess I'll have to wait to see if HTC does anything more with it or search for an alternative. Thanks though.
It's a phone. You'll never get true professional quality photos from a phone no matter what app you use. As a photographer you know that...f-stops, aperture, lenses and all the other stuff that photographers talk about can't really be changed on a phone's camera. To really get professional quality photos and video, even though phone cameras have gotten very good, you need to use the right equipment.
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It's a phone. You'll never get true professional quality photos from a phone no matter what app you use. As a photographer you know that...f-stops, aperture, lenses and all the other stuff that photographers talk about can't really be changed on a phone's camera. To really get professional quality photos and video, even though phone cameras have gotten very good, you need to use the right equipment.
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You're right but that's not my complaint. As I stated, my biggest gripe is the green tinted photos with the flash and compression. There are features I'd like to see from the latest mytouch camera (native hdr, no shutter lag - which is done with a constant image stream or something like that, etc)
you can have some things improved with the software side of things, but yes, hardware is a limitation and I'm not expecting this to replace a professional camera.
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Thanks for the reply. I didn't realize it would take so much reverse engineering there. And yes, some photos with the flash are harder to tell the off white balance, but I stopped using the flash and never taking night pics with this phone... Day time photos are awesome if not for the compression.
I haven't had much luck in finding any camera apps yet, hasn't occurred to me really. But I do love HDR Pro for the hdr pics - if anyone's interested in experimenting with that (takes a couple pics in dif exposures then combines them for a more natural and detailed photo)
I guess I'll have to wait to see if HTC does anything more with it or search for an alternative. Thanks though.
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I've used HDR pro. I've also used Vignette which was my favorite camera app on the EVO 4G. It works on the 3D but of course you can only take 2D pictures with any of the third party cameras...so far.
On the HTC website/forum they do acknowledge the issues with the camera and say they are working on an update to correct them. I guess we'll see if that ever comes to fruition.
Is there a working camera fix (mod) that will allow for changing compression settings in the camera as well as reduce the image processing which results in detail loss :?
I just bought the device and would love to be able to take better images - and I feel that this loss of details can be avoided. images at 5mpx should not be 500kb in any case and the details even on older devices with lower mpx show more details.
Maybe if there is a working fix people can also post sample shots to see how it really works. (ICS or GB)
Plus this mod could also be implemented in other roms later on so that more people can benefit.
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Take a look at this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24147607
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Take a look at this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24147607
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Just read through the entire thread + all the linked threads to that ...
as it seems compression is not the problem here ...
the camera drivers need to be altered or drivers from a better image producing device to be ported....
anyone has a progress on that :?
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Just read through the entire thread + all the linked threads to that ...
as it seems compression is not the problem here ...
the camera drivers need to be altered or drivers from a better image producing device to be ported....
anyone has a progress on that :?
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I don't know much but I think the drivers are proprietary and cannot be edited.
I guess we should wait for Sony to release the ICS update, maybe the camera will get better
Hope something could be adapted from another device even - better adapted to make good photos. Fingers crossed
Anyone tried updating to ICS? The camera quality has been improved. Now the image size is ~2mb i guess
Forget about driver replacing: if i understand correctly you mixed old methods for phones (for example K790i on platform db2020 etc.): changing acoustic, display, camera drivers. I just tryed all of this by myself in the past ^_^ In android smartphones there is only way to improve quality - change camera's APK file Because drivers for internal absolutelly incompatible between different devices. You can find everything you need on Apps section of our subforum
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Forget about driver replacing: if i understand correctly you mixed old methods for phones (for example K790i on platform db2020 etc.): changing acoustic, display, camera drivers. I just tryed all of this by myself in the past ^_^ In android smartphones there is only way to improve quality - change camera's APK file Because drivers for internal absolutelly incompatible between different devices. You can find everything you need on Apps section of our subforum
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so what are you suggesting ... : ?
how do we lose the over agressive post process sharpening etc ?
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so what are you suggesting ... : ?
how do we lose the over agressive post process sharpening etc ?
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we could, if best developers would focus on this, not new kernels and roms
but it seems no one is willing to focus on camera quality ;( i miss old days whan i had k750/w810
It may be possible to improve the photo quality output of the SK17, but I don't think it's going to do as well as some previous generation camera phones just due to the physics of it all.
If you take a look at the lens used on the SK17 vs. iPhone or even the X10 Mini Pro, you'll find the lens is smaller, as well as the aperture ect... This means a smaller image sensor which ultimately means lower PQ.
The only way it could match larger lenses would be if they had used more advanced image sensor technology such as EXMOR to improve sensor sensitivity or speed, as they did in the Xperia Ray. Unfortunately they didn't use this technology in the SK17 series of phones.
I'm hoping up coming newer versions of the phone will make use of both a larger lens as well as advanced sensor technology.
If you use a camera app. such as 360 camera, you can defeat the compression, but the pictures don't really look much better to me. The negligible improvement in PQ may be the reason why Sony implemented this level of compression in the first place, since the lens isn't able to deliver.
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It may be possible to improve the photo quality output of the SK17, but I don't think it's going to do as well as some previous generation camera phones just due to the physics of it all.
If you take a look at the lens used on the SK17 vs. iPhone or even the X10 Mini Pro, you'll find the lens is smaller, as well as the aperture ect... This means a smaller image sensor which ultimately means lower PQ.
The only way it could match larger lenses would be if they had used more advanced image sensor technology such as EXMOR to improve sensor sensitivity or speed, as they did in the Xperia Ray. Unfortunately they didn't use this technology in the SK17 series of phones.
I'm hoping up coming newer versions of the phone will make use of both a larger lens as well as advanced sensor technology.
If you use a camera app. such as 360 camera, you can defeat the compression, but the pictures don't really look much better to me. The negligible improvement in PQ may be the reason why Sony implemented this level of compression in the first place, since the lens isn't able to deliver.
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I partially agree with the sensor being small - hence output suffering quality - however I've had a nokia e50 long time ago with an even smaller lens at 1.3mpx which produced similar images (well sometimes) in terms of quality. I would be interested to see how the device performs without the crazy compression settings ... I have my feelings that output will improve vastly.
Btw on GB with camera ICS+ the images were very good actually - even though I wish they were not as compressed as they are - nothing else.
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we could, if best developers would focus on this, not new kernels and roms
but it seems no one is willing to focus on camera quality ;( i miss old days whan i had k750/w810
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I was using your 21.93 driver for my W810 and I believe you can do with camera everything you like, so get off your butt and start an investigation
ICS camera is much better for taking photos.. but when it comes to video camera, overall OS speed and experience.. ICS SUCKS!
any one got solution for improving stills quality in xperia mini/pro?
try this, the compression is reduced a bit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1935982
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try this, the compression is reduced a bit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1935982
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ya m currently using that mod but still m not happy with the results.. i think its the camera lens and sensor sony used in xperia mini/pro
Feel free to scroll past the first paragraph if you don't care for my story of data loss - I wouldn't blame you one bit.
Also, to the forum moderators: feel free to move this thread as you see fit. I've been having trouble organizing my thoughts in the months since my last post on XDA, so I'm less sure about which category this falls under. Thanks for bearing with me!
I traded my Nexus 4 for a Sony Z Ultra GPE last month, and normally I'd have plunged right away into my typical Android experiments of dual/multi-booting with Ubuntu, Sailfish, and other Linux distros, among other things. However, several major data losses recently stole my attention - all the pictures I had taken on my Nexus and a few other things I don't care as much about were backed up to my laptop's SSD. Of course all these backups were stored on a compressed and encrypted btrfs partition that Windows went ahead and irreparably corrupted for me. It doesn't help that my laptop is my only computer now. Lesson learned I guess. Needless to say, I'm cutting down on unnecessary projects now, like a 50GB Android source tree, which is probably a bad idea for a laptop/SSD anyway.
Okay, so this isn't really a question thread - it's more like a request for feedback. I'm on CM11 nightlies right now, and I backed up my TA partition in several places (thank God for that - seriously!) so I'm currently on an unlocked bootloader, but I've been contemplating relocking by restoring my TA backup and upgrading to Lollipop. The main reason I was all excited about Lollipop is the camera might be better. Worryingly, I haven't heard much chatter about how great the camera is after the Lollipop upgrade. I realize there isn't really a way to do a scientific, side-by-side comparison unless you own more than one ZU, but any improvements with regards to low-light performance or noise reduction, even slight, would be great to hear about.
Please note your bootloader lock state with your comments - I'd like to find out whether I need to give up CyanogenMod for camera improvements. If the camera isn't even slightly better (I don't care too much about auto focus) I may consider selling my ZU and possibly getting a cheap Nexus 5, despite it almost being a downgrade since I love my ZU's huge screen. I knew what I was getting when I bought this phone, but I've been avoiding posting any pictures to social media for the last month out of embarrassment.
So yeah, let discussion about the camera post-Lollipop commence! Thanks in advance for your contributions!
First off LP (for now) won't drastic improve the camera. We need updated drivers that do RAW for the big improvements, like on Nexus 5 & 6. That being said get a decent camera app (FV-5 paid or 'a better camera') that allows S and ISO and set the ISO as low as you can ie 50 or 100 and the photos are much improved.
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First off LP (for now) won't drastic improve the camera. We need updated drivers that do RAW for the big improvements, like on Nexus 5 & 6. That being said get a decent camera app (FV-5 paid or 'a better camera') that allows S and ISO and set the ISO as low as you can ie 50 or 100 and the photos are much improved.
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Correct. Unfortunately, as of now, we are unable to change the iso sensitivity on the camera. Photos do appear better, just noisy since the auto iso kicks in...
I can safely say that camera is slightly better on the L probably due to better drivers but raw image still unavailable on the Camera fv5 latest update.
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Hello all,
I just bought a Z2 (second hand) as I wanted a phone with a high quality camera and apparently the Z2 was one of the best out there at the time of its release.
Unfortunately thus far the photos I've got from the Z2 seems pretty low quality with lots of noise and lack of detail. I've tried using manual mode and setting the ISO to 50 or 100 but the quality is still bad. Not really any different to my old cheap o Vodafone own branded phone. And the front facing camera is absolutely dreadful!
I've looked around for a solution but not found anything conclusive.
Does anyone have any advice on a way to improve the picture quality? Any particular ROMs or apps I should use. In currently on stock 6.0.1. I've read that some peoplefound that picture quality had degraded with each OS update from KK.
Many thanks
tooplanx said:
Hello all,
I just bought a Z2 (second hand) as I wanted a phone with a high quality camera and apparently the Z2 was one of the best out there at the time of its release.
Unfortunately thus far the photos I've got from the Z2 seems pretty low quality with lots of noise and lack of detail. I've tried using manual mode and setting the ISO to 50 or 100 but the quality is still bad. Not really any different to my old cheap o Vodafone own branded phone. And the front facing camera is absolutely dreadful!
I've looked around for a solution but not found anything conclusive.
Does anyone have any advice on a way to improve the picture quality? Any particular ROMs or apps I should use. In currently on stock 6.0.1. I've read that some peoplefound that picture quality had degraded with each OS update from KK.
Many thanks
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It's actually false, it has been the same way from KK,LP & MM
I tried flashing the Cyberian Mod and I've seen some slight improvements
I also bought a second hand z2. the camera was awful at first just as you described but then I saw a thread somewhere here on xda that suggests scratching off the thin coating on the lens of the z2. I scratched mine with a card and now it works great.
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It's actually false, it has been the same way from KK,LP & MM
I tried flashing the Cyberian Mod and I've seen some slight improvements
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I don't understand the Z2 has such good reviews of the camera. I have seen some pretty good photos that other people have taken on z2s though.
I've heard that unlocking the bootloader can effect the camera, though I'm not clear whether in a good or bad way.
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I don't understand the Z2 has such good reviews of the camera. I have seen some pretty good photos that other people have taken on z2s though.
I've heard that unlocking the bootloader can effect the camera, though I'm not clear whether in a good or bad way.
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Ofcourse in a bad way, because sony removes the BIONZ processing and some other features if you unlock your bootloader
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Some sample images...
I have just transferred some of my photos from the xperia z2 on to my PC to have a closer look, and I'm even more shocked by the awful quality. It looks like a budget phone from 2012!
I took a few sample shots using the 'Superior' Auto mode, then using the Open Camera App, then one on my old cheap-o Vodafone Smart Prime 6 so that I could compare.
Look at the attachments, they are in the order mentioned above, all at 8MP.
1. Superior Auto produces a dreadful contrasty, high-noise, low-detail image.
2. Open Camera does a better job, slightly more detail. I was unable to set the ISO in the app for some reason.
3. Old Vodafone Smart Prime 6 has perhaps slightly less sharp image, but overall is much less contrasty and produces a much nicer image, with natural looking detail.
WTF?! how is this top of the range Xperia producing images worse than a low end phone?!
Any help greatly appreciated.
tooplanx said:
I have just transferred some of my photos from the xperia z2 on to my PC to have a closer look, and I'm even more shocked by the awful quality. It looks like a budget phone from 2012!
I took a few sample shots using the 'Superior' Auto mode, then using the Open Camera App, then one on my old cheap-o Vodafone Smart Prime 6 so that I could compare.
Look at the attachments, they are in the order mentioned above, all at 8MP.
1. Superior Auto produces a dreadful contrasty, high-noise, low-detail image.
2. Open Camera does a better job, slightly more detail. I was unable to set the ISO in the app for some reason.
3. Old Vodafone Smart Prime 6 has perhaps slightly less sharp image, but overall is much less contrasty and produces a much nicer image, with natural looking detail.
WTF?! how is this top of the range Xperia producing images worse than a low end phone?!
Any help greatly appreciated.
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Strange , i often do photos with my z2, and i have a more natural image than others. Ok in auto sometimes they are more overexposed(but very less with marshmallow). But use manual, -0.3 or -0.7 ev,esposure misuraction multiple and touch autofocus. Better than auto mode. If you mod your z2, use cyberian mod and the quality improve a lot. The version with worse camera is kitkat...orrible quality with auto mode. Then with lollipop and marshmallow,improve a lot the camera.
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Strange , i often do photos with my z2, and i have a more natural image than others. Ok in auto sometimes they are more overexposed(but very less with marshmallow). But use manual, -0.3 or -0.7 ev,esposure misuraction multiple and touch autofocus. Better than auto mode. If you mod your z2, use cyberian mod and the quality improve a lot. The version with worse camera is kitkat...orrible quality with auto mode. Then with lollipop and marshmallow,improve a lot the camera.
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Hi, thanks for your response, I'm going to try and install Cyberian but first need to figure out how to root the phone and install a custom recovery. There doesn't seem to be any clear and sure-fire way...
I've looked through loads of threads and websites and they all seem to be out dated, incomplete, very vague or unstable.
Anyone know the easiest / safest method for MM .291?
Cheers!
tooplanx said:
Hi, thanks for your response, I'm going to try and install Cyberian but first need to figure out how to root the phone and install a custom recovery. There doesn't seem to be any clear and sure-fire way...
I've looked through loads of threads and websites and they all seem to be out dated, incomplete, very vague or unstable.
Anyone know the easiest / safest method for MM .291?
Cheers!
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On general thread there is the method https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/general/tool-rooting-23-5-1-291-supersu-t3437280
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On general thread there is the method https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/general/tool-rooting-23-5-1-291-supersu-t3437280
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Yeah, I've looked through that but the instructions are vague, files seem to be missing, and people have said they have had problems with it.
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Yeah, I've looked through that but the instructions are vague, files seem to be missing, and people have said they have had problems with it.
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You must install flashtool and use some guides to flash 575 kernel. Then the guide is simple. I use often this guide ,but when i'm on recovery to flash 291 kernel and supesu, i don't flash them but a new rom. It's the best way
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You must install flashtool and use some guides to flash 575 kernel. Then the guide is simple. I use often this guide ,but when i'm on recovery to flash 291 kernel and supesu, i don't flash them but a new rom. It's the best way
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Where can I find the correct flashtool? Are we talking about a PC based flashtool or android based?
Thanks
tooplanx said:
Where can I find the correct flashtool? Are we talking about a PC based flashtool or android based?
Thanks
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PC, there is a guide to install marshmallow to z5 but the first part of guide, explain how to install correctly flashtool http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/03/12/install-xperia-marshmallow-using-flashtool-and-xperifirm-guide/
Soooo.... rooted and installed Cyberian... camera is still god awful!
Is there a known issue with the z2? It seems that half of owners think the camera is brilliant and half think it's rubbish. I've seen evidence that would point towards there being a quality control issue at Sony, with a large quantity of faulty handsets being sold? (See this post, amongst others)
My back camera is definitely sub-par, performing worse than a low-end phone, and as for the front camera.... well, it looks like a blown up 0.2mp image.
Some more examples attached. They alternate rear camera, front camera.
I'm surprised Sony hasn't faced a large lawsuit around this issue.
tooplanx said:
Soooo.... rooted and installed Cyberian... camera is still god awful!
Is there a known issue with the z2? It seems that half of owners think the camera is brilliant and half think it's rubbish. I've seen evidence that would point towards there being a quality control issue at Sony, with a large quantity of faulty handsets being sold? (See this post, amongst others)
My back camera is definitely sub-par, performing worse than a low-end phone, and as for the front camera.... well, it looks like a blown up 0.2mp image.
Some more examples attached. They alternate rear camera, front camera.
I'm surprised Sony hasn't faced a large lawsuit around this issue.
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First: use 4:3 resolution instead 16:9. 4:3 is the resolution of sensor. 16:9 pictures are worse. There is a 12 mp resolution in cyberian Who improve a lot pictures. Why did you don't try it? if this persist, control that sensor have the lens antireflex corrupted. This is second hand z2. So this is possible
djgigi94 said:
First: use 4:3 resolution instead 16:9. 4:3 is the resolution of sensor. 16:9 pictures are worse. There is a 12 mp resolution in cyberian Who improve a lot pictures. Why did you don't try it? if this persist, control that sensor have the lens antireflex corrupted. This is second hand z2. So this is possible
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I've tried all modes and they all produce pretty poor photos. These are actually taken using Open Camera which gives a significant improvement in pic quality over the stock app.
Hello, my one makes even worse photos than yours, i have the cam glass scratched, is it the problem?
tooplanx said:
I've tried all modes and they all produce pretty poor photos. These are actually taken using Open Camera which gives a significant improvement in pic quality over the stock app.
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See the lens if they are damged
Checked closely both back and front lenses for damage but they both look fine. The phone in general is in a 'like new' condition.
The camera's manual mode is darn good. After som shooting, I can see that. It's especially good for stills.
BUT that auto mode is average to not good. I hear some chatter that this camera is for content creators --- those who don't want just auto mode.
I guess the question is --- why can't we have it both ways? What am I missing? Why can't auto jpegs be processed well (pixel-like, for those want it), along with a great manual features? My ILC can do both --- and it's only got one sensor. So, what gives here? I'm just not sure why we need to compromise.
Put simply, there are some situations where I want to shoot manual and some that I just want to shoot in P&S mode.
The best picture isn't always technically the best one, but rather what can be caught in focus in the frame. Seems reasonable to me.
You can use Google Camera for HDR+ Auto Mode. It also generate Raw files for post-processing if jpeg is not good enough.
Link for you: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/
For example: photo with more colors is hdr+ auto mode. Other is raw with snapseed.
Which port do you recommend??? Thanks much.
coldbeverage said:
The camera's manual mode is darn good. After som shooting, I can see that. It's especially good for stills.
BUT that auto mode is average to not good. I hear some chatter that this camera is for content creators --- those who don't want just auto mode.
I guess the question is --- why can't we have it both ways? What am I missing? Why can't auto jpegs be processed well (pixel-like, for those want it), along with a great manual features? My ILC can do both --- and it's only got one sensor. So, what gives here? I'm just not sure why we need to compromise.
Put simply, there are some situations where I want to shoot manual and some that I just want to shoot in P&S mode.
The best picture isn't always technically the best one, but rather what can be caught in focus in the frame. Seems reasonable to me.
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Your ILC is a dedicated camera. Everything in it is designed for one job and one job only, to produce the best image possible with the processing chips and jpg engines all dedicated to this end. That's all it does, that whole box. A cellphone is a jack of all trades and there's a saying about jack of all trades, master of none. At no point would I ever put a current cellphone up against a current dedicated camera for imaging. The camera will win every time. Cellphones have encouraged an attitude of good enough when in reality, we know it isn't. To be certain, cellphones these days do a lot better than the first DSLRs and definitely better than my first digital camera.
Problem is that a cellphone is literally everything crammed into one tiny space. Music player, computer, internet modem, phone, television screen, video camera, and camera.... er, make that cameras. All of that screaming for limited space and resources, battery and processors. A dedicated camera is one sensor and it is usually much larger than any cellphone camera sensor. That one sensor usually has room to breath, literally, to help keep it from overheating and not stress the hardware. Cellphones don't get that luxury. A dedicated camera has dedicated AF systems, often times an entirely dedicated set of sensors just for that. Metering is also an entirely separate area of development and testing.
So while we have been lulled into thinking cellphones are great cameras, in reality, they aren't. There's still a lot of times that it is best to have a dedicated camera.
Right, agreed, but it seems to often come down to a software issue in the cameras. Have full manual controls for manual purposes and have good auto processing. Or, am I still missing the point? I could be very wrong here.
coldbeverage said:
Right, agreed, but it seems to often come down to a software issue in the cameras. Have full manual controls for manual purposes and have good auto processing. Or, am I still missing the point? I could be very wrong here.
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Again, software will be the same problem. For a dedicated camera company, you have an entire company coming up with the engines and algo's going into the camera. Versus a cellphone company having to split their development between a lot of teams but they're going to be pretty small and at best, just able to tweak previous versions of software for their small corner of the device. The company I work for does software for a lot of various things a pharmacy might want to do. We have around 4 devs per team to pull off all the things in a pharmacy. Whereas there are some companies out there that do just one of the things we do and dedicate a much larger team to it. (Up to 100 people working on one piece of software vs our overall team of maybe 10.) That's the difference between a cellphone and a dedicated camera.
coldbeverage said:
Which port do you recommend??? Thanks much.
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Latest stable port in my link. You have to test some settings to get the best result. Also I hear that Oreo version has improved camera.
starrynighthn said:
Latest stable port in my link. You have to test some settings to get the best result. Also I hear that Oreo version has improved camera.
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Thanks. A couple of them work. Any advice on settings? I found some, but curious if you got something better.
CHH2 said:
Again, software will be the same problem. For a dedicated camera company, you have an entire company coming up with the engines and algo's going into the camera. Versus a cellphone company having to split their development between a lot of teams but they're going to be pretty small and at best, just able to tweak previous versions of software for their small corner of the device. The company I work for does software for a lot of various things a pharmacy might want to do. We have around 4 devs per team to pull off all the things in a pharmacy. Whereas there are some companies out there that do just one of the things we do and dedicate a much larger team to it. (Up to 100 people working on one piece of software vs our overall team of maybe 10.) That's the difference between a cellphone and a dedicated camera.
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I'm actually curious if there's any way to adjust LG's Auto settings. I think from what I've heard, the most common issues are that the photos come out over-exposed and over-processed and smoothed out. Is there any way to go into the LG's software and tone down the exposure brightness and smoothing a bit? I'm sure I'm oversimplifying it but I wonder if there is some sort of setting values we can change so that way everything else remains the same.