I bought the Moto 360 Sport (which is essentially the v2 in a fixed band and GPS onboard) because I like fitness/smart watches - and prefer to not have to carry my phone if possible.
Pros:
GPS tracking
Can play music from watch to BT headphones
Heart Rate/Pedometer/Barometer/Android Wear
Very comfortable
Battery life is a solid day with moderate use and about 1 hour GPS tracked running
Cons:
BT range is poor
Constantly disconnects from phone
Music breaks up while hand is moving
Actions from watch to phone fail quite a lot
Cannot track general fitness activities (e.g. weight lifting)
Should be fully waterproof
What happens if the strap breaks?
Initially contacted Motorolla thinking I had a faulty unit - but have since read more and more reviews of a similar nature to mine. They did say I could send it back for service, but to be honest, I think it's going to be on all of them.
I have realised that I wear my watch on my left wrist and my phone usually goes in my right pocket. If I take the watch off, the BT connection is great. If I listen to music with the watch on the table - it has no problems and the range is huge. Put the watch back on my wrist and it breaks up again. That must be the flaw?
Contacted Motorolla again to raise these points more specifically and have been told they will raise with the responsible department and let me know the best solution for me.
Thought I'd create the thread in case others are experiencing the same issues - or if anyone has any suggestions/additional issues. Anyway, will post an update when I have one.
UPDATE from Motorolla:
If the watch strap is damaged, it would need to be sent for repair. Unfortunately it is not possible to replace the strap yourself on the Moto 360 Sport.
For the bluetooth connectivity issues, please follow these instructions:
- Uninstall the Android Wear app and un-pair all devices that are paired with your phone.
- Turn Bluetooth off on your phone.
- From manage apps on your phone, select “Bluetooth Share”
- Tap “Force stop” then “OK”
- Tap “Clear data” then “Ok”
- Power cycle the phone by turning it completely off and then back on.
- Perform a factory data reset on the Moto 360 by going to Settings > Reset.
- Re-install the Android Wear app and connect with the Moto 360 again.
- Wait until the Moto 360 has finished syncing apps. Transfer music back to the watch again via Google Play Music, pair your wireless headphones with the watch and test it again.
Note that bluetooth devices may disconnect or create noise when their batteries are low so ensure that the watch and all other Bluetooth devices are fully charged.
If you are using the device indoors, other wireless equipment such as Wi-Fi, cordless phones, or baby monitors, that operate on the 2.4 Ghz frequency may cause interference, and contribute to a dropped connection.
If you are using the device outdoors, the Bluetooth signal may be affected by the environmental conditions.
Keep metal objects, such as keys or coins, away from all Bluetooth devices to avoid interference.
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I have a Moto 360 v2 and I continuous connection problems with Bt and service "ok google" not available. The notifications seem to arrive, but when I want to respond vocally to a message, many times not working.
The problem is Android Wear or Motorola?
For billysa: removing moto connect from your phone will likely fix the ok google disconnect problem, it did for me.
Hi
I have one and what I would like to check better is the GPS accuracy. the rest of the things you speak about I have no problem. (I have some problems with the sound of the music where I am running and I put my hands down to stretch. But it only happens a couple of times... )
but the reason I bought the Moto 360 Sport is because the GPS and I do not get the same results as with the mobile
examples of this week in some routes with a lot of slopes:
Monday/Wednesday: same route
Monday: mobile with endomondo 8km 44
watch with moto body running 8km 69
Wednesday: mobile with endomondo 8km 42
watch with endomondo 8km 53
Thursday: mobile with endomondo 6,01 km
mobile with moto body 6,26 km
the mobile tracks the routes properly but the wacht does some little bends now and then, they are very little but enough to see that is the wacth which is doing it bad
I am going to do more tests in a flat route, looking more apps (perhaps ghorstraer could work) and I gonna compare it againts a friend's good garmin forerunner in order to get further information
have you had this kind of problems with the GPS???
regards.
billysa said:
I have a Moto 360 v2 and I continuous connection problems with Bt and service "ok google" not available. The notifications seem to arrive, but when I want to respond vocally to a message, many times not working.
The problem is Android Wear or Motorola?
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I had this issue to begin with. First time I contacted Motorolla, they said to factory reset the watch and start again. I did that and it didn't work. However, I then installed Moto Connect & Body on the phone (as well as Android Wear) - all of a sudden it became more reliable with the vocal commands. In fact, when in range of the phone, it works every time now.
As Delano.88 had the opposite effect to get it working, could just be a couple of uninstall/reinstalls is what it needs.
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Hi
I have one and what I would like to check better is the GPS accuracy. the rest of the things you speak about I have no problem. (I have some problems with the sound of the music where I am running and I put my hands down to stretch. But it only happens a couple of times... )
but the reason I bought the Moto 360 Sport is because the GPS and I do not get the same results as with the mobile
examples of this week in some routes with a lot of slopes:
Monday/Wednesday: same route
Monday: mobile with endomondo 8km 44
watch with moto body running 8km 69
Wednesday: mobile with endomondo 8km 42
watch with endomondo 8km 53
Thursday: mobile with endomondo 6,01 km
mobile with moto body 6,26 km
the mobile tracks the routes properly but the wacht does some little bends now and then, they are very little but enough to see that is the wacth which is doing it bad
I am going to do more tests in a flat route, looking more apps (perhaps ghorstraer could work) and I gonna compare it againts a friend's good garmin forerunner in order to get further information
have you had this kind of problems with the GPS???
regards.
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I have noticed the same as you, yes. Been using RunKeeper on mine - when I look at the map, on the website, it's clear that the GPS is taking an age to lock on. It's a good minute before the run starts - but the route looks pretty ok. I can't see a way to determine when GPS is locked.
I see the bends too - but for me, they aren't that bad.
Good test comparisons you've got there - let me know if you find a good one! I'll just stick to RunKeeper for now - got friends on it and we compete for distance/calories done.
Edit: Actually - just had a closer look at the map and can see the route is way off! Read this review today http://www.wareable.com/android-wear/moto-360-sport-review ...it says third party apps aren't as good as the built in moto app, so I'll give that a bash today.
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Edit: Actually - just had a closer look at the map and can see the route is way off! Read this review today ...it says third party apps aren't as good as the built in moto app, so I'll give that a bash today.
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I agree with that review that the moto body running app is able to get faster (very fast actually) the gps. Endomndo takes more time to do so. and the endomondo is not able to use the watch's heart rate while moto body running do it properly. but In my case the deviate of the distance does not come from the begining, on the contrary is constant during all the route, each km the wacth do a litle bit more... with motorola running 30-40 meters per km
Besides, in my tests I foond the motorola's app less accurate than endomondo app as I wrote down in the previous post. the reviews says 'the 360 Sport was always within 100m on distances over 8km' but in my case the difference is almost 300 meters with the motorla app and only 100 with the endomondo. I wanna point out that my routes were with a lot of slopes and this could be the problem because:
at the same route:
mobile with endomondo 8,42 km Total ascent 141 meters
watch with endomondo 8,53 km Total ascent 51 meters
motorola body running does not show me this information
Thanks for the answers.
I'm testing the Moto 360 without Moto Connect and above without using the Theater Mode. For now I have seen an improvement (not always working), but it is always very slow to recover connection Bt. When the clock loses its connection freezes for a few seconds, this happens to you?
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Thanks for the answers.
I'm testing the Moto 360 without Moto Connect and above without using the Theater Mode. For now I have seen an improvement (not always working), but it is always very slow to recover connection Bt. When the clock loses its connection freezes for a few seconds, this happens to you?
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I'm not seeing that, but what I have noticed is when I use any watch face, other than a built in moto face, the connection is very unreliable and the watch crashed more. Which is no good when we're supposed to be able to customise the faces. I put up with the standard faces now.
For what it's worth, BT transmits very poorly through the human body from my experiences. If the two devices are on opposite sides of your body transmission may be temperamental.
One of my original BT headsets had an antenna that was placed in such a way that my body sat between it and my phone. When I walked outside in open areas my music would often breakup.
When you're inside this isn't much of an issues as there are plenty of surfaces (walls, doors, tables, windows) for the signal to bounce around. But in a wide open space there isn't much reflected signal to get around your body.
It might be interesting to try swapping your watch to your opposite arm during and run and see if that makes a difference.
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For what it's worth, BT transmits very poorly through the human body from my experiences. If the two devices are on opposite sides of your body transmission may be temperamental.
One of my original BT headsets had an antenna that was placed in such a way that my body sat between it and my phone. When I walked outside in open areas my music would often breakup.
When you're inside this isn't much of an issues as there are plenty of surfaces (walls, doors, tables, windows) for the signal to bounce around. But in a wide open space there isn't much reflected signal to get around your body.
It might be interesting to try swapping your watch to your opposite arm during and run and see if that makes a difference.
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100% get where you're coming from. I actually have to do that when I go out running (but I shouldn't have to for the price tag of these watches). The reason it gets me so much is - I had a Microsoft Band V1 and the BT range on that was incredible. Couldn't listen to music, I know that, but it was so good that when I was walking down the drive and the phone is charging in the kitchen - it would buzz me as I approached the house with notifications from the phone. This watch barely even knows the phone is in the same room, in my experience.
It's disappointing that if my phone or headphones are on my right side and my watch is on my left wrist, there's a struggle.
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100% get where you're coming from. I actually have to do that when I go out running (but I shouldn't have to for the price tag of these watches). The reason it gets me so much is - I had a Microsoft Band V1 and the BT range on that was incredible. Couldn't listen to music, I know that, but it was so good that when I was walking down the drive and the phone is charging in the kitchen - it would buzz me as I approached the house with notifications from the phone. This watch barely even knows the phone is in the same room, in my experience.
It's disappointing that if my phone or headphones are on my right side and my watch is on my left wrist, there's a struggle.
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FWIW, I've found the range on my 360 46mm to be quite on par with other BT devices I'd. I dunno is the sport has different placement of antenna or different materials around it that are blocking the signal perhaps??
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FWIW, I've found the range on my 360 46mm to be quite on par with other BT devices I'd. I dunno is the sport has different placement of antenna or different materials around it that are blocking the signal perhaps??
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Could be - maybe adding the GPS receiver has caused a problem...
Regarding the Bluetooth choppy playback I am not sure if it is Android Wear (software) related. Today I almost could not listen to music and putting my hands in my pockets almost broke playback. But as a test I changed the watch hand (from right to left) and I had no more issues with playback over Bluetooth. Can someone test if this helps?
Also to mention that Bluetooth choppyness happens only while tracking and outdoors.
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Regarding the Bluetooth choppy playback I am not sure if it is Android Wear (software) related. Today I almost could not listen to music and putting my hands in my pockets almost broke playback. But as a test I changed the watch hand (from right to left) and I had no more issues with playback over Bluetooth. Can someone test if this helps?
Also to mention that Bluetooth choppyness happens only while tracking and outdoors.
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Yeah that's what I'm getting too - but annoyed that's what I have to do to use the watch while running/listening to music. It's similar to the old Jobs meme "you're holding it wrong"
To solve the problem of BT connection, I have tried all the solutions proposed here including reinstalling Google Play Service and factory reset of smartwatch... nothing.
AT THE END, the problem was only in a well-known (except me) bug BT on the Note 3 with Lollipop (solved with an app).
Now I will try to reinstall watchface and app, but finally seems to work well.
Maybe it's already fixed??
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Yeah that's what I'm getting too - but annoyed that's what I have to do to use the watch while running/listening to music. It's similar to the old Jobs meme "you're holding it wrong"
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Acording to the 6.0.1 changelog: "We have introduced improvements that reduce the choppy audio when listening music through a Bluetooth headset while your watch is in motion, like when you are walking or working out" ... can anyone can confirm this?
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Acording to the 6.0.1 changelog: "We have introduced improvements that reduce the choppy audio when listening music through a Bluetooth headset while your watch is in motion, like when you are walking or working out" ... can anyone can confirm this?
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Did anybody indeed get the update? Nothing in Netherlands so far....
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Did anybody indeed get the update? Nothing in Netherlands so far....
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Ok, still choppy sound... maybe a little better than before, not sure, but not perfect yet
Just dropping in to let you all know it's not AW. No audio choppiness when running outdoors, tracking with GPS and listening to music on the LG watch Urbane 2 LTE, so it seems to be hardware related. Sorry
My Urbane has no problem keeping a BT connection with the phone ever, however I have to reconnect my BT headset with the watch every time i want to use them together, so this IS an AW issue.
Maybe the 360 antenna placement is causing this issue...
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October Edition just arrived, 6 months late, but it did arrive and it did work (albeit with the additional Cradle not in the box)
Charged, set up email to send myself the Google Play apk; double clicked it and everything worked fine. Activated my Android and all working well.
Downloaded some apps, inc spotify and mapmyrun. Added a sim card and sd card - not well designed really. The galaxy s5 shows how simple it is to do and retain waterproofing. The Omate, with tiny fiddly screws, rubber bits, non symetrical cover etc was something I hope not to have to do again; which renders my spare battery a bit pointless. I was expecting to pop off the back and swap a drained battery for a charged one, as I can do on a mobile.
However, with battery at 67% went for a 1 hour run and with GPS, Wifi, Data and Bluetooth active (music to BT Headphones and running data being tracked) battery only went down 20% - impressive! and confirmed I can give up the GPS watch...
All good, but definitely some sticking points. Wifi at one point wouldn't re-activate, without a long reboot. The keyboard can drive you insane, especially entering masked passwords - the keyboard can be supersensitive and fire off several characters at once by accident, so you have to start again. The 'show passwords' option doesn't always work.
The navigation seems awkward and inconsistent - i wish there was a back button, the swipe left often triggers an option or menu unintentionally so you have to go back twice and when the same thing happens again, it's not long before you give up and press the home button...
Maybe it's just some getting used to - day 1 and all that!
Overall this is an incredible piece of tech and will be a big benefit to my lifestyle. It requires a change of thinking I suspect, but one that is welcome, so overall I am very pleased with the first impression.
I think the answer to your question about whether you have day 1 frustrations is: yes and no.
I put on Lokifish's latest ROM and did a few other tweaks (principally Daniel Ortiz's recommended GPS fix) and then started from there. I played with the out-of-the-box version for a total of two minutes before I became monumentally frustrated with the sensitivity of the touch screen, and the keyboard seemed to trigger letters even when I was just hovering over the screen trying to make a more accurate 'tap'. Maybe it was placebo effect but the Lokifish ROM seemed to be better calibrated, though I still avoid using the keyboard for anything other than tapping in passwords to get accounts setup.
The first app that gave me an inkling that the TS is a 'keeper' is Runkeeper. (pun!) I'm actually not so much of a runner, but I use Runkeeper on my main device to track my cycling and I log my circuit and swim training data on the web which integrates across the other apps I use to collect and manage fitness data (Withings Body Analyzer, Myfitnesspal, Fitbit). The thought of being able to dispense with multiple tracking apps/devices and perhaps even leaving the big phone at home (the Z1s doesn't have the brightest screen anyway) was one of the main draws of the TrueSmart. But the real 'killer app' feature for me was the ability to use this TrueSmart as an 'all day wearer' *and* have it work in-water to capture swim data. But After six months of waiting (like you) and seeing the not-really-waterproof drama unfold, I was pretty much ready to put this thing on eBay on day 0.
However, Runkeeper/Ride with GPS plus Cyril Preiss' "SWApps" has just about sold me on keeping the device, or at least rekindled my interest enough to see whether its worth pursuing some form of aftermarket waterproofing approach. (currently being hashed out in another thread here)
So in essence I concur with/confirm your findings. I still haven't found out how to get the auto-correct to behave on the keyboard, but I think that's as much about taking a grand-daddy step back to understand how the Fleksy is designed, and how to properly inflect the gestures to keep things from getting out-of-hand (pun!). I remember having *some* of the same trouble when going from the iPhone 4s to the Xperia Z1 (before the Z1s) and that keyboard drove me kuh-ray-zee until I figured out the whole swipe-your-finger-to-spell-the-word thing worked. Then suddenly I wondered how anyone would type on one of these things any other way.
So - I'm coming around to seeing the advantages of the TrueSmart, and more to the point *really* understanding why Lokifish, Cyril, Kurt, Daniel and so many others here see in the platform - and continue to invest time and effort into it.
Oh - and as to the battery drain, I just ran my TS down to 15% and then connected it to a Waka Waka to charge, and while I didn't have it timed it's already back to 100%. Solar powered smartwatch - now we're talkin'. So instead of thinking about a snap-in/out solution for the battery I'm looking at/for a 'gator glip' charger cable or some other light-weight charger connection for the TS (I thought I saw them online somewhere, and OMate was offering them at first - I'd prefer that to the case for workout/outdoor activities where space is a premium). I'm also looking into how to/whether I can set up profiles that are more like "give me what you got" versus "all-day wearer" mode. On the Sony Xperia Z1s there's a "Stamina Mode" which tamps down on battery drain, but can also kill functionality of apps that are not in the foreground (bad news for Panobike cycling cadence meter, etc) so while I have *some* apps exempted from Stamina Mode, when I'm doing a dedicated outing I just switch it off completely - knowing that I'm going to be putting the device on charge by either using one of the portable packs I'm carrying with me - or when I get back to the car.
Anyway, food for thought...
Thanks for the reply, it's good to share tips and tricks!
I saw that Loki has actually abandoned TrueSmart. Frustrations with their updates and lack of support I think.
Primarily for me this watch was a replacement sports tracker, but my hopes for an all-purpose watch are not looking good as the blue-tooth tethering is not working with my S5; it pairs successfully, but doesn't connect, so the TrueSmart Master app is useless.
The TS also doesn't connect to my BT headset for voice, but it did connect with the JayBird headphones (although the cutting out was super irritating).
In Summary - BlueTooth not reliable and will be a deal-breaker as I would have to carry my phone anyway.
Couple with the infuriating keyboard and inconsistent navigation, (I've now tried the LMT dial thing, which also doesn't work properly) I'm losing interest fast - which is a shame as it could be so good.
For charging, my GPS watch uses a clip as you describe. So much better than the cradle which renders the watch inaccessible while it's charging. But why not a simple USB port with a cover, like the S5....(a proper waterproof phone). Even the solar charger will then require carrying two separate items for the TS...
You can set up profiles on an app called Easy Battery Saver - I used it on my last phone and installed it for TS. It works as described and easy to activate/de-activate.
I will keep with the TS a while longer, but I suspect the next Galaxy Gear, which is rumoured to be stand-alone, will be what we are really looking for...
Hope to hear more from you - I will post my next findings on the TS too.
lphovercraft said:
I think the answer to your question about whether you have day 1 frustrations is: yes and no.
I put on Lokifish's latest ROM and did a few other tweaks (principally Daniel Ortiz's recommended GPS fix) and then started from there. I played with the out-of-the-box version for a total of two minutes before I became monumentally frustrated with the sensitivity of the touch screen, and the keyboard seemed to trigger letters even when I was just hovering over the screen trying to make a more accurate 'tap'. Maybe it was placebo effect but the Lokifish ROM seemed to be better calibrated, though I still avoid using the keyboard for anything other than tapping in passwords to get accounts setup.
The first app that gave me an inkling that the TS is a 'keeper' is Runkeeper. (pun!) I'm actually not so much of a runner, but I use Runkeeper on my main device to track my cycling and I log my circuit and swim training data on the web which integrates across the other apps I use to collect and manage fitness data (Withings Body Analyzer, Myfitnesspal, Fitbit). The thought of being able to dispense with multiple tracking apps/devices and perhaps even leaving the big phone at home (the Z1s doesn't have the brightest screen anyway) was one of the main draws of the TrueSmart. But the real 'killer app' feature for me was the ability to use this TrueSmart as an 'all day wearer' *and* have it work in-water to capture swim data. But After six months of waiting (like you) and seeing the not-really-waterproof drama unfold, I was pretty much ready to put this thing on eBay on day 0.
However, Runkeeper/Ride with GPS plus Cyril Preiss' "SWApps" has just about sold me on keeping the device, or at least rekindled my interest enough to see whether its worth pursuing some form of aftermarket waterproofing approach. (currently being hashed out in another thread here)
So in essence I concur with/confirm your findings. I still haven't found out how to get the auto-correct to behave on the keyboard, but I think that's as much about taking a grand-daddy step back to understand how the Fleksy is designed, and how to properly inflect the gestures to keep things from getting out-of-hand (pun!). I remember having *some* of the same trouble when going from the iPhone 4s to the Xperia Z1 (before the Z1s) and that keyboard drove me kuh-ray-zee until I figured out the whole swipe-your-finger-to-spell-the-word thing worked. Then suddenly I wondered how anyone would type on one of these things any other way.
So - I'm coming around to seeing the advantages of the TrueSmart, and more to the point *really* understanding why Lokifish, Cyril, Kurt, Daniel and so many others here see in the platform - and continue to invest time and effort into it.
Oh - and as to the battery drain, I just ran my TS down to 15% and then connected it to a Waka Waka to charge, and while I didn't have it timed it's already back to 100%. Solar powered smartwatch - now we're talkin'. So instead of thinking about a snap-in/out solution for the battery I'm looking at/for a 'gator glip' charger cable or some other light-weight charger connection for the TS (I thought I saw them online somewhere, and OMate was offering them at first - I'd prefer that to the case for workout/outdoor activities where space is a premium). I'm also looking into how to/whether I can set up profiles that are more like "give me what you got" versus "all-day wearer" mode. On the Sony Xperia Z1s there's a "Stamina Mode" which tamps down on battery drain, but can also kill functionality of apps that are not in the foreground (bad news for Panobike cycling cadence meter, etc) so while I have *some* apps exempted from Stamina Mode, when I'm doing a dedicated outing I just switch it off completely - knowing that I'm going to be putting the device on charge by either using one of the portable packs I'm carrying with me - or when I get back to the car.
Anyway, food for thought...
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More success with BT pairing
More success today - got the bt headset (MyVoice 312) paired for calls, plus the jabra sport wireless+ bt headphones for music.... both devices paired and switch automatically when powering on and off.
Galaxy S5 also paired, but no joy with the SWAPPS app. I will keep trying with that, but it's actually a low priority since I have a sim for the TS ($10 per month for second sim with same number as primary sim)
Tonight I hope to try the Endomondo app on the TS paired with the Jabras, since they have a special feature that gives realtime data from the app when pushing a button on the headphones.
I can see it's going to take a while with the TS, but the tech is really good and offers a lot of promise. It's all about expectations I guess.
If the BT goes all intermittent again tonight I will be v disappointed as this is a basic but critical feature.
One problem I have had after exercising is that if you hand/fingers are sweaty then the TS goes nuts when you touch the screen - there really needs a sensitivity option (like on the S5)
Any pointers for best option for gaining Root Access to Omate TS? I notice that you have flashed Loki's 'latest' ROM, so presumably you have Rooted and flashed a Custom Recovery??
Best way to proceed--I would be grateful for a 'Heads-Up'.
BTW--I have, today, just received my October Dev Edition 1 GB 8 Gb 2100 Mhz version--and am looking at flashing Loki's ROM 20140328--is that the one to which you are referring?? or, do you have a different device version?
Any pointers--gratefully received.
I can't help you with the technical nuts and bolts as I am going to keep it all simple and hopefully working. No ROM flashes, install PlayStore and get your BT headset working.
Just that alone gives you a mobile on your wrist which is pretty damn cool for checking email, facebook, text, whatsapp and voice calls. Plus spotify, endomondo and maps!
The keyboard is a problem though, being so sensitive. And if it's raining, forget using it at all - not because of the water resistance, but because the screen just goes crazy with the water drops.
I am going to try Google Search/Voice to see if I can use voice commands on it.
Anyone else had luck with using voice?
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Any pointers for best option for gaining Root Access to Omate TS? I notice that you have flashed Loki's 'latest' ROM, so presumably you have Rooted and flashed a Custom Recovery??
Best way to proceed--I would be grateful for a 'Heads-Up'.
BTW--I have, today, just received my October Dev Edition 1 GB 8 Gb 2100 Mhz version--and am looking at flashing Loki's ROM 20140328--is that the one to which you are referring?? or, do you have a different device version?
Any pointers--gratefully received.
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Hey guys, I'm like a dev October backer and I get my watch this week-end. I have just started it today and after reading the lokifish topic I don't think it is a good idea for us to use our watches until we flashed a ROM with a secure kernel (the kernel of the 1/8/2100 is unsecure).
If you want to root your TS there is tons of solutions as it i a mediatek chip.
Can you recommend me a BT Headphone to par with my TS.
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Can you recommend me a BT Headphone to par with my TS.
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I'm using Backbeat Go 2 with my TS, I love the "minimalistic" approach to it. When not used I wear them like a necklace (you can attach the earbuds to eachother) and it's not in the way the slightest. It works great for taking phone calls, and I've tried it with both walking, biking and running with no issues. Volume controls, checking battery level, taking calls and such works great from the remote. Battery life is ok:ish, maybe a bit more than 3 hours total listening time. That is if you play music or talk on the phone non-stop, with moderate use (taking a few phonecalls during the day and similar) they last for days.
From what I hear the Backbeat Go 2 is more or less a ripoff of Jaybird Bluebuds X headphone (looks very similar), but the Jaybirds have better battery life, fits more securely in your ear for sporting and such - not that I ever had issues with that. The main thing that made me go with the Backbeat though is that it's about half the price.
Ok thanks. I'm gonna give a look to this.
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Blue-rayer said:
Can you recommend me a BT Headphone to par with my TS.
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After going through two Backbeats (not the Go, think it was 903 or something similar) I can state they are useless for exercising with, no resistance to water or sweat.
I then tried a pair of Philips SHB6017/10 and lasted a month before starting to randomly calling strange numbers due to shorting out. I'm not a sweaty person, honest!
Finally settled on Jabra Sport and they're awesome, have been using them for a year now.
Thanks to Amazon who refunded and replaced every single failed headphone, even sending out the replacements before I'd sent in the dead ones.
Cheers,
Andreas
I was actually playing around with the voice commands, you do have to setup loads of Google Apps, like Google search and Maps etc and give it permission to everything but it does work... I highly recommend using Nova launcher as it places the Mic search option right on the home screen.... which launches Google search... "Ok Google" and you're off.... I'm not sure how to get it to recognise OK Google without first having started the search app... Anyway some of my favourite things to ask for....
Take me home.... (Starts maps navigation)
Play some music (starts Google music and tries to play music)
Order Pizza (finds the nearest dominos)
What is iPhone (reads out definition of an iphone)
Hi,
While I think my Gear Fit is a very useful device it constantly lets me down on the training side. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?
I bike quite a bit and I like the way the Health app stores my map speed etc. the way it does. Once in a blue moon. The problem is that 9 times out of 10 the cycling app will shut down all on its own while I'm still in the middle of my training session. Hysterically irritating to have all these half-recorded sessions in my phone. And there's no way I can check on progress while cycling. To get to the Health app and then on to cycling on the Gear Fit would be sure death when speeding along at 35 kph. At least for someone as unbalanced as myself.
So am I doing something wrong? Is there a setting for the Gear Fit that I've missed? Is anyone else having this problem, or am I just stuck with a buggy example of the otherwise very nifty piece of engineering? Oh, and whoever designed the strap for the Fit must absolutely have had repeat business in mind! It's fallen off, like, 100 times of its own accord. A miracle that it's still in my possession.
Grateful for any advice on the "keep alive" topic.
Thanks/M
McHan said:
Hi,
While I think my Gear Fit is a very useful device it constantly lets me down on the training side. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?
I bike quite a bit and I like the way the Health app stores my map speed etc. the way it does. Once in a blue moon. The problem is that 9 times out of 10 the cycling app will shut down all on its own while I'm still in the middle of my training session. Hysterically irritating to have all these half-recorded sessions in my phone. And there's no way I can check on progress while cycling. To get to the Health app and then on to cycling on the Gear Fit would be sure death when speeding along at 35 kph. At least for someone as unbalanced as myself.
So am I doing something wrong? Is there a setting for the Gear Fit that I've missed? Is anyone else having this problem, or am I just stuck with a buggy example of the otherwise very nifty piece of engineering? Oh, and whoever designed the strap for the Fit must absolutely have had repeat business in mind! It's fallen off, like, 100 times of its own accord. A miracle that it's still in my possession.
Grateful for any advice on the "keep alive" topic.
Thanks/M
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Same here, but I have missed all my bicyclings. But I have solved issue. Taking pulse (beat of heart) off then the training have gone OK. I am a male and have hairs on my wrist. I haven't tryed if I would keep Gear Fit like womens do, wrong way around. I mean the display is under wrist and where are not any hairs or you have to keep your strap tighter than now.
Newest version bring pause function to Gear Fit training, but I agree that better would be if I can myself start and stop the bicycling training. It could stop automatically if you stand too long in traffic signal; GPS signal stays too long same. If this is true, then the clock is dangerous incitementing to run a red lights.
The pulse off settings is here: biking/ scroll right one screen (on landscape mode)/ pulse: take off tag of pulse.
EmDzei said:
Same here, but I have missed all my bicyclings. But I have solved issue. Taking pulse (beat of heart) off then the training have gone OK. I am a male and have hairs on my wrist. I haven't tryed if I would keep Gear Fit like womens do, wrong way around. I mean the display is under wrist and where are not any hairs or you have to keep your strap tighter than now.
Newest version bring pause function to Gear Fit training, but I agree that better would be if I can myself start and stop the bicycling training. It could stop automatically if you stand too long in traffic signal; GPS signal stays too long same. If this is true, then the clock is dangerous incitementing to run a red lights.
The pulse off settings is here: biking/ scroll right one screen (on landscape mode)/ pulse: take off tag of pulse.
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Hi EmDzei and thanks for the reply.
Unfortunately this did not solve the problem for me. Turned off the heart-sensor and have now tried two biking sessions but the Gear device stops recording after 10 and 25 minutes respectively. Pretty much the same results as before. A real pain in the nether regions! Does no one else have this problem? I've noticed that the phone "pings" every now and again and I'm wondering if it momentarily loses BT contact with the watch and that this somehow stops the Health recording. It does this at night also when I have the blocking mode enabled (which irritates the H-ll out of my wife, the soft pinging, that is). Any thoughts on this...?
Thanks/M
McHan said:
Hi EmDzei and thanks for the reply.
Unfortunately this did not solve the problem for me. Turned off the heart-sensor and have now tried two biking sessions but the Gear device stops recording after 10 and 25 minutes respectively. Pretty much the same results as before. A real pain in the nether regions! Does no one else have this problem? I've noticed that the phone "pings" every now and again and I'm wondering if it momentarily loses BT contact with the watch and that this somehow stops the Health recording. It does this at night also when I have the blocking mode enabled (which irritates the H-ll out of my wife, the soft pinging, that is). Any thoughts on this...?
Thanks/M
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Have to notice here at start that I am not so specialist for this case. But I can give one or two hint.
This hint could hit forest with full speed. I don't know if the bluetooth and WLAN are on same chip. But on WLAN (= Wi-Fi) extra settings and its sleep mode there are three settings: always, only when connected and never (increase mobile data). Simple translations from finnish. =) I use this middle settings: allways, when device is connected. I wrote this hint because you wrote that your device seems disconnect 10 - 25 minutes. WLAN disconnecting time is similar: 15 minutes, if on sleep mode. As I said, this could be very very wrong information.
OK. Next our possible version differents. My Gear Fit firmware is R350XXU0BNE5. My Gear Fit Manager version is 1.67.0523 and I use it on my Samsung Galaxy S4 (GT-I9505) stock un-rooted firmware version UFNB9. Last five serial character of Gear Fit are LRXW. I do not use blocking mode on Gear Fit. I use it on my phone and disable sync at nights.
Today I tested and bicycled 26,52 km. I visited two times on markets and paused my "training". All session took 1:44 hour (so beautifull day and sunshine). Does your bicycling have Pause button when you started the trip? My previous version of this doesn't and with it I had problems with cutted bicycle trainings. My phone lay on own bicycle mounting holder, so the bluetooth signal is very stong and distance ~50 - 60 cm only.
Uh, last comments. You have of course made a Samsung account and it sync works OK? I think also that keeping LTE off when biking outside of the city fairway, if it is not strong signal. Good to try in this desperation, eh.
EmDzei said:
Have to notice here at start that I am not so specialist for this case. But I can give one or two hint.
This hint could hit forest with full speed. I don't know if the bluetooth and WLAN are on same chip. But on WLAN (= Wi-Fi) extra settings and its sleep mode there are three settings: always, only when connected and never (increase mobile data). Simple translations from finnish. =) I use this middle settings: allways, when device is connected. I wrote this hint because you wrote that your device seems disconnect 10 - 25 minutes. WLAN disconnecting time is similar: 15 minutes, if on sleep mode. As I said, this could be very very wrong information.
OK. Next our possible version differents. My Gear Fit firmware is R350XXU0BNE5. My Gear Fit Manager version is 1.67.0523 and I use it on my Samsung Galaxy S4 (GT-I9505) stock un-rooted firmware version UFNB9. Last five serial character of Gear Fit are LRXW. I do not use blocking mode on Gear Fit. I use it on my phone and disable sync at nights.
Today I tested and bicycled 26,52 km. I visited two times on markets and paused my "training". All session took 1:44 hour (so beautifull day and sunshine). Does your bicycling have Pause button when you started the trip? My previous version of this doesn't and with it I had problems with cutted bicycle trainings. My phone lay on own bicycle mounting holder, so the bluetooth signal is very stong and distance ~50 - 60 cm only.
Uh, last comments. You have of course made a Samsung account and it sync works OK? I think also that keeping LTE off when biking outside of the city fairway, if it is not strong signal. Good to try in this desperation, eh.
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A-HA! I think You hit on the solution to the problem in Your very last comment. I've been trying various combinations of settings on both the Gear Fit and on the phone, but to no avail. Then finally it struck me that, yes! I have been experiencing issues when shifting between LTE and other modes, and that possibly possibly this could have something to do with my problems. And so, sure enough, when I blocked off 4G and went for my daily today I finally got the whole ride recorded in the phone!
So many thanks for putting me on this track and fining the solution for me, EmDzei!
Anyone experiencing coverage issues with a bluetooth headset? I have read that there are issues with bluetooth and automobiles, but hadn't seen anyone have any issues with headsets. I have a Sony SBH-80 and when device is in my pocket, I have breakup. When I reboot, it temporarily works great, but slowly degrades again. It used to be only my back pocket, now even it it's in my front pocket I have issues. I did not have this issue with my G4. Oh, and I'm only 5' 7", so it's not like it is a great distance between my headset and my phone!
I just bought the v10 two days ago and I'm experiencing this problem as well. I listen to podcasts while asset work, and when the phone's in my pocket, the signal constantly breaks up. But if it's on the table in front of me or in my hand, it's fine. Very frustrating. Hopefully LG will address the issue in an update soon.
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I just bought the v10 two days ago and I'm experiencing this problem as well. I listen to podcasts while asset work, and when the phone's in my pocket, the signal constantly breaks up. But if it's on the table in front of me or in my hand, it's fine. Very frustrating. Hopefully LG will address the issue in an update soon.
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I wonder if its the headset or the phone? I believe it must be the phone, because past LG phones had bluetooth issues, and I've read where people with this phone are having bt issues with their cars, so I hope that's it. I love the headset - tremendous sound for a bt and awesome battery life!
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I wonder if its the headset or the phone? I believe it must be the phone, because past LG phones had bluetooth issues, and I've read where people with this phone are having bt issues with their cars, so I hope that's it. I love the headset - tremendous sound for a bt and awesome battery life!
Just noticed - I gave you your first "Thanks"!
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Good point. I'm almost positive it's an issue with the phone because I've used the same bt headset (Samsung HM3300) with my HTC One and LG G4 (this is my third HM3300. I keep losing them lol so the one I'm using is actually almost new).
Whether it's this specific phone or actually the V10 model, I can't tell, but I'm leaning towards the latter. Not sure it's worth exchanging the phone since I've spent hours setting it up already lol. But maybe I'll get to the point where I can't take it any more because I rely heavily on using my bt headset.
Actually between these posts, I plugged in my charger and walked 15 feet away and my bt signal was fine. But as soon as it goes in my pocket, the signal gets choppy. I dunno.
Thanks for my first like! ?
I also have a Sony SBH-80 headset and it worked with no problems connected to my Note 4. I just got my V10 on 11/1 and have had several issues with my SBH-80 connected. Sometimes when talking through my headset voices sound "electronic" and I cannot even get the phone to show disconnected from the headset when the headset is turned off. I also cannot manually disconnect. I have to reboot the phone. I'm not sure when is going on here but its about to drive me crazy. I also have a pair of LG Infinims that I have not yet paired. I am going to par them tomorrow and see if I have the same issue but I like my SBH-80s much better and hope that LG fixes the issue. Hopefully they will roll out an update to fix the bluetooth issues that I have been reading about in the forums.
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Anyone experiencing coverage issues with a bluetooth headset? I have read that there are issues with bluetooth and automobiles, but hadn't seen anyone have any issues with headsets. I have a Sony SBH-80 and when device is in my pocket, I have breakup. When I reboot [reboot what?], it temporarily works great, but slowly degrades again. It used to be only my back pocket, now even it it's in my front pocket I have issues. I did not have this issue with my G4. Oh, and I'm only 5' 7", so it's not like it is a great distance between my headset and my phone!
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I have HBS-730, and I've had some luck rotating the phone 180 degrees in the pocket - upside down. The way I see it, it brings the sensor ~15 centimeters closer to the ears. If that does not help, usually restarting the headset helps.
And I just got this new phone too.....
Well...this is disappointing. After reading thru this thread and others, I can now confirm that it definitely is my new LG V10 having BlueTooth Connectivity Issues. I paired it to my Samsung Level BT headset and when I put my V10 in my back pocket, my front pocket or my jacket pocket, the sound begins to Sputter and Crackle and Pop. When I take the V10 out of my pocket and hold it in my hand, the audio plays just fine. It's winter time in NYC and I cannot walk these streets holding my phone in my exposed hands to hear my music clearly. Really upset now with this LG V10....and I was just beginning to settle in with it too. I did a little research and found a possible solution. I intend to test it on my subway ride to work....
How to fix LG V10 Bluetooth issues:
Turn on the LG V10
Go to home screen and select the app icon
Then select on the settings icon
Browse for the Application Manager
Display All Tabs by swiping either right or left
Select on Bluetooth
Select to stop it forcefully.
Now clear the cache
Select clear the Bluetooth data
Select Ok
Finally restart the LG V10
If the steps above don’t work, try performing a wipe cache partition on your LG V10. After that, try to connect the LG V10 with another Bluetooth device in range and it should work. These instructions should be able to solve any Bluetooth problems you have on your LG V10.
And here's the link to the Wipe Cache Partition incase the the BT Fix didn't work:
recomhub.com/blog/lg-v10-how-to-clear-the-cache/
Happens with my Earpiece also. Gonna try above. Thanks
Hey guys,
I basically bought the SBH-80 for about £40 and I'm experiencing some erratic behavior.
Sometimes if I leave the phone on my desk I can walk to the other side of the house before audio starts distorting i.e. the range is good. But sometimes the range is like 20cm. I kind find any pattern which would explain this discrepancy. The range is awful about 95% of the time.
The problem is I cycle to work, the phone works fine when I'm setting it up. It connects quickly and music starts playing. As soon as I put it into my pockets the music distorts, snap, crackle, pops and is basically unusable.
I've probably missed out lots of vital information but this is the jist of the issue. Can anyone recommend me trying anything?
note: It's not the headunit, I've tested it with an iPhone 5S and an iPhone 5 and it functions perfectly.
theprince1991 said:
Hey guys,
I basically bought the SBH-80 for about £40 and I'm experiencing some erratic behavior.
Sometimes if I leave the phone on my desk I can walk to the other side of the house before audio starts distorting i.e. the range is good. But sometimes the range is like 20cm. I kind find any pattern which would explain this discrepancy. The range is awful about 95% of the time.
The problem is I cycle to work, the phone works fine when I'm setting it up. It connects quickly and music starts playing. As soon as I put it into my pockets the music distorts, snap, crackle, pops and is basically unusable.
I've probably missed out lots of vital information but this is the jist of the issue. Can anyone recommend me trying anything?
note: It's not the headunit, I've tested it with an iPhone 5S and an iPhone 5 and it functions perfectly.
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bad news bro. that happened to my sbh80 too. bought it for $100 last year. either your bluetooth antenna(left earpiece cable) snapped or you have damaged bluetooth module. mine had that problem 3 months after buying it. kept it in storage for months i forgot i ever bought it. then i saw it again while i was cleaning up with 90% battery. tried it and now it works well. i don't know what happened as i sold it the next day for $65.
eumanoid said:
bad news bro. that happened to my sbh80 too. bought it for $100 last year. either your bluetooth antenna(left earpiece cable) snapped or you have damaged bluetooth module. mine had that problem 3 months after buying it. kept it in storage for months i forgot i ever bought it. then i saw it again while i was cleaning up with 90% battery. tried it and now it works well. i don't know what happened as i sold it the next day for $65.
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Brilliant lol It lasted ONE cycle trip, before it started distorting. Thankfully the eBay seller said I can return it. It's such a shame... I really like the design. Can you recommend any other bluetooth headsets?
theprince1991 said:
Brilliant lol It lasted ONE cycle trip, before it started distorting. Thankfully the eBay seller said I can return it. It's such a shame... I really like the design. Can you recommend any other bluetooth headsets?
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I'd say jaybird bluebuds since you cycle to work. They sound really good too.
I've got a Plantronics Voyager Legend. Within the same room (~20ft) it seems ok, but if it has to go through a wall (~30ft), it starts to break up. I once tried going up one floor and on the opposite side of the house (maybe 50ft at most) and it was really bad.
I figured that bluetooth in general wasn't that great.
I've never had an issue with the phone on me though.
I have more issues with my bluetooth mouse connected to my laptop
eumanoid said:
I'd say jaybird bluebuds since you cycle to work. They sound really good too.
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Ooft they are very expensive, not sure if I can endure such a hit on my bank account . I appreciate good audio quality. At home I use Grado SR225i's with Little Dot 1+ amp and I love it... Not tried a headphone more than I like that combination. But when it comes to earphones I don't really care about quality because I know I won't get anything close to the grado, the Sony earphones that came with my Z1 Compact are more than good enough but, of course, it's not wireless.
eng3 said:
I've got a Plantronics Voyager Legend. Within the same room (~20ft) it seems ok, but if it has to go through a wall (~30ft), it starts to break up. I once tried going up one floor and on the opposite side of the house (maybe 50ft at most) and it was really bad.
I figured that bluetooth in general wasn't that great.
I've never had an issue with the phone on me though.
I have more issues with my bluetooth mouse connected to my laptop
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I've read a few threads were the Z5 was having trouble connecting to bluetooth in people's cars etc but I think my issue is with the headset because it doesn't actually work with any other phone either
I have a z1 compact, and I've always had bt issues with it across devices. I have a z5 compact arriving tomorrow, reading this isn't inspiring.
I use a sbh52, and it never quite worked right with sony, but I think that was mostly due to the data channel stuff and how it interacted with the app for email alerts and other socket stuff that uses raw serial protocols to communicate. I've at times had 4-5 different serial devices attached to the phone, and none of them are happy when doing so. The radio seems to become selective about who is actually working at a time, but the upstream consumers at the bluez socket layer seem unaware stuff isn't working.
I got a non-sony phone, a sharp aquos, and using it with my sbh52 without any sony software, and only that - it rocks actually, range and all. I felt a little bit bad I used to talk so much crap about it.
My biggest telltale of bluetooth serial dysfunction with my z1c was my google glass, which works entirely as both a persistent tethered device via bt, and a headset device. Data for glass via bt also refused to work if I disabled the headset kindly, so in other words bluetooth dysfunction ruined usability when mobile. Now I tether my glass to my tablet data that does no other bt, and seems to work pretty dandy.
It seems more of a bluetooth stack issue as a whole, either between google and/or firmware vendors, and if my z5 gives me issues too, I'll just need to find a more "dumb" headset.
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I started watching catlog (log reader) when using my glass and headset troubleshooting, and would suggest doing so too.
I would always see "innocuous" looking messages about the bt, but nothing seemed to ever really "break". I'd see disconnects and reconnects, when one device or the other wouldn't/couldn't connect, seemed at the radio level though as the headset would just give up trying to connect.
Happened the same to me too. Xperia z5c+sbh80. The audio is kinda lagging whenever I put in my pocket. But, I have read somewhere in xda post that somebody claimed it might related with stamina mode configuration (solution given: put audio setting into exception list) and it might related to activity on the fingerprint scanner as well (really? solution given: try to avoid any contact on the fingerprint scanner because z5c try to initiate vibration mode while the audio is still playing). I have try both solutions, and yeah, there are little bit less lagging activity.
I'm using Sony SBH-80 as well, and it works perfect. I'm listening about 2-3h music/day, loads of calls through SBH80, and it works fine. Indeed, sometimes it disconnects automatically (usually when I'm using facebook call and I receive an email or something like that). On my S6 dual sim didn't happened that, but I can live with that. Sorry guys to hear that you have issues with that, on my side it's fine.
Late reply guys sorry.
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I have a z1 compact, and I've always had bt issues with it across devices. I have a z5 compact arriving tomorrow, reading this isn't inspiring. .
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So does the Z5 compact work with your headset then? They seem to release cool devices, update to a later version of android, it ends up not working properly and they pretty much just forget about it.
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Happened the same to me too. Xperia z5c+sbh80. The audio is kinda lagging whenever I put in my pocket. But, I have read somewhere in xda post that somebody claimed it might related with stamina mode configuration (solution given: put audio setting into exception list) and it might related to activity on the fingerprint scanner as well (really? solution given: try to avoid any contact on the fingerprint scanner because z5c try to initiate vibration mode while the audio is still playing). I have try both solutions, and yeah, there are little bit less lagging activity.
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I don't have stamina mode on (reduces performaces WAY too much... like 5 seconds to open an app...unacceptable) but yeah I too have notices weird distortion effects when I receive a facebook message.
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I'm using Sony SBH-80 as well, and it works perfect. I'm listening about 2-3h music/day, loads of calls through SBH80, and it works fine. Indeed, sometimes it disconnects automatically (usually when I'm using facebook call and I receive an email or something like that). On my S6 dual sim didn't happened that, but I can live with that. Sorry guys to hear that you have issues with that, on my side it's fine.
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Ah lucky you! I guess I'll wait for my replacement and see what's up :fingers-crossed:
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Late reply guys sorry.
So does the Z5 compact work with your headset then? They seem to release cool devices, update to a later version of android, it ends up not working properly and they pretty much just forget about it.
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Yes! My SBH52 was absolute crap with my z1c (random disconnects, sound levels, just never connecting), with a Sony original rom, Cyanogen10-11, any kernel/rom I tried. With my z5c, my SBH52 works dandy, even with the sony app installed for the data link, as well as my SBH60's that came with the z5c as a Clove special. Need to resurrect my jawbone, everyone hated it I spoke to prior, now I'm curious about it too.
Oddly, my friend just upgraded too, didn't want to spend the extra for a z5c, so got a used z3c instead, and has a lot of issues with his bluetooth as well. Mine was more disconnections, devices fighting over connections, but his seems to be just simple horrible quality, like noise entering in when used, so not sure if it's bad software or bad phy bt chip or a bunk build.prop on it. Sound always required a lot of tweaking on my z1c, it was useless without root and hacking to fix the crap sony rom build or a *good* 3rd party rom, so maybe it as well.
Range-wise, I've used the SBH52's with my phone upstairs on my desk, and walking downstairs about 30 feet away and through a hall/wall. The SBH60 has much less range I've found, 20 feet away and down the hall same level codec sound comes unglued.
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I don't have stamina mode on (reduces performaces WAY too much... like 5 seconds to open an app...unacceptable) but yeah I too have notices weird distortion effects when I receive a facebook message.
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I don't ever use stamina modes... My battery life is/was always crap on my z1c (~6-8hr), as I collect a bunch of push imap accounts with aquamail, multiple gmail accounts, lots of system level apps, so it's almost expected my battery life to be nil. I've been a bit more pleasantly surprised with the z5c with most everything from my z1c loaded (~10-15hr), the battery life is still better, but the z1c was also ~3yr old with original battery.
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Ah lucky you! I guess I'll wait for my replacement and see what's up :fingers-crossed:
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They *did* have the whole headphone connection issue on the z3c, really don't know how much of those sorts of things come down to maybe bad connectors internally. Doesn't seem to matter if you're apple or sony, us or china, sh*t happens.
My only impetus for upgrade was I noticed I had some discoloration on my z1c lcd, and my phone now had a noticeable curve in the middle (think lg flex) after apparently sitting on it the wrong way, so replacing it before it just died was key. So far I'm happier with the z5c. as thus far "everything works", including sound levels that were always an issue with the z1c too (bad Sony), and especially bluetooth function. The fingerprint reader unlock convenience is awesome, and I'm looking forward to trying payments with it. I came across the z5 drm restore now, so it's rooting time, and it's going to get even better once I can remove nauseating ads with an adblock means, and using xprivacy again since since disables app privacy (gee, thanks big brother).
Picked up my AT&T G5 on April 23rd. Thought it was pretty darn good at the time, but after using it for a week there are just to many issues with it. Most of them seem to be common here on the forum, so I thought I would run down my list.
1. Dropping Network. I have found that about 2-3 times a day while the signal bars are showing full signal that there is n 4g or 1x icon. during this time I have no connectivity. cannot call, Email, text, surf the web, nothing. this tends to last for anywhere from a few seconds to last night it was over 40 mins. If I reboot the phone that seems to reestablish the network connection, but this is a huge issue to me. I need a reliable phone for work.
2. Dropping GPS. I am a guy that is used for issues at multiple work sites and facilities. As such I tend to use my GPS quite often. last week luckily I was at one static facility so I didnt need to rely on my GPS, but I ran it anyway as I had seen a number of people reporting issues with the G5 retaining GPS lock. about every 15-30 mins my phone would drop the GPS signal. it would take anywhere from a few seconds to 10 mins to reestablish. This is on a known route that i have never had any sort of GPS issues with any phones before.
3. Camera. I had the S4, S5, and then the S6 Edge. they all had pretty good cameras. Low light worked really well. the camera on the G5 does not compare. I thought I could live with it, but coupled with the other issues... Yea, its a problem for me. i like the wide angle camera, but the normal camera leaves a lot to be desired especially in low light situations.
4. Bluetooth. In my car i stream Pandora quite a bit. at least once a day i have to turn bluetooth back on as it will shut itself off in the middle of my commute. Again,not a deal breaker in and of itself, but with everything else...
5. Alarm Clock reliability. This is a strange one... the stock alarm clock tends to not go off for me. the app I normally download and use just plain didnt work with the G5. in one week the alarm has completely failed to go off 4 different days. I have checked all the settings, everything is right, nothing is killing the alarm clock app during the night, but in the morning it just wont go off. I have set the alarm and watched it waiting for it to go off for testing, and half the time when it does go off it is not audible. just the screen lights up. then if I leave everything set as it was and bump the time a couple mins so that it will go off again, the next time I will get audio. sometimes. its inconsistent, but the majority of the time it does not work properly.
6. Screen Quality. Ok, this one is really an issue with me. im jaded. I admit this. Coming from the AmoLED's on the Galaxy series looking at the G5's screen colors seem washed out. Not as sharp and bright. I know the Sammy phones over-saturate the colors, but I guess Im just used to them and because of that this screen Im just not happy with.
7. Always on display. Or what ever it is... the clock that is displayed on the screen when you turn off the screen and lock the phone. On the S6 edge I had only the clock numerals and such was lit. the rest of the screen remained off and black. With the G5 screen even though the screen looks like its off and black in a dark room you can tell the entire screen is on. it lights up my room at night. not a lot, but just enough to bug me. Again, not a deal breaker in and of itself, but with everything else....
8. Sound. streaming music via BT is fine, well as long as the BT remains on... using a pair of wired headphones the audio quality just isnt there. Playing the same track on my G5, my old GS6 Edge and my wifes S7 there is a definite sound quality loss with the G5. I have a set of Sennheiser studio headphones and I could tell ever time my wife plugged them into the G5. I was looking forward to the HIFI module, but well with all the rest here...
So this morning I went back to my AT&T store to return this phone since I was still within my 15 day period. Got there 20 mins before it opened and waited with 4 other people. when i got inside and all checked in to the que for help, the lady kinda chuckled. apparently the other 4 people were there to do the same thing, exchange the G5 for a different device.
I really wanted to like this phone. I really tried. One or two of the issues i could have lived with, but when they are all present... this does NOT seem like a flagship phone to me. seems more like a swing and a miss.
I don't have a G5, so my answer is only based on reviews and other users tests:
1) Here in italy all the reviewers claimed the G5 to have the beste signal in both mobile and wifi network compared to S7 Edge, P9 and HTC 10, so maybe your model was defective?
2) Nothing to say as it seems that other users suffered of this problem, i found nothing about GPS problems in reviews though.
3) G5 has the best camera in normal condition, in low light there is no competition because S7 obviously do a lot better.
4) Same as point 2, no problem in reviews, but some users here in xda have the same problem.
5) It's a third party app? Really, does it work on other devices with Marshmallow or with the Snapdragon 820? The stock app work? Other third party apps work?
6) Yep, that's it. But keep in mind that Amoled is anyway the best display.
7) AOD is totally wrong on both G5 and S7, in the first because in order to drain less battery the display backlight is very low, and in the second, and in my opinion is the more stupid, because it's useless, you can (for the moment) see only stock app notification, clock and date (maybe a very few other things)
8) The bluetooth issue is the same that you reported in point 4, and the story is again the same, some users reported it, but reviewers and other users are surprised for the good sound.
Just try to answer to some problems, i've no intention to argument
I have the poor signal and drops. I was blaming it on my carrier. I may take this back and get a different brand all together.
Hey Kill, In regards to #5, the stock app wasnt working reliably so I tried a app store app. that one wasnt reliable either. I always try to use the stock built in first.
In regards to #8 I was talking about the wired headphones via the headphone jack. BT audio sounded good, but the quality loss was with the wired headphones.
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Hey Kill, In regards to #5, the stock app wasnt working reliably so I tried a app store app. that one wasnt reliable either. I always try to use the stock built in first.
In regards to #8 I was talking about the wired headphones via the headphone jack. BT audio sounded good, but the quality loss was with the wired headphones.
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For the #5 strange, never heard something like this.
For the #8 i saw that, it's the same as other problems, some users have them, other not, and the reviewers never said nothing. Maybe there was a problem with the the jack itself, in my opinion the real issue with this phone is that you have high chances to get a faulty one, moreover in us where it was released first. In my country I'm still waiting for users feedback
I love my lg g5. I get bored of phones and switch up so regularly but still absolutely loving it. I mainly got it for the camera, and I'm more impressed than I was with my beloved lg g4. In manual mode I still believe it's better than the s7 (I tested then both over the course of a week).
That data drop is interesting though. Happens to me too, but can't figure out if it might be something to do with whether you turn wi-fi on or off. Seems linked, as happens to me at work.
I have the ATT one too. Got it the day before launch... Screen i think comes second to the S7 TBh, but is still pretty damn good... Camera I find is sick, better than the competition in my opinion. I haven't had any issues with data or signal loss whatsoever, however I can confirm when using GPS the signal will either drop, or it won't lock on at all until I just about hold it to the top of my front windshield!!! The sound I find is fine, but im no audio engineer either. I use jaybird X2 BT ear buds and I think they sound fantastic with no Bluetooth signal loss ever... Alarm issue is a new one to me.. No problems here and I constantly have to change the time due to our ridiculous work schedule.
One can definitely understand why you are bringing yours back. Hope you enjoy your next device.
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Picked up my AT&T G5 on April 23rd. Thought it was pretty darn good at the time, but after using it for a week there are just to many issues with it. Most of them seem to be common here on the forum, so I thought I would run down my list.
1. Dropping Network. I have found that about 2-3 times a day while the signal bars are showing full signal that there is n 4g or 1x icon. during this time I have no connectivity. cannot call, Email, text, surf the web, nothing. this tends to last for anywhere from a few seconds to last night it was over 40 mins. If I reboot the phone that seems to reestablish the network connection, but this is a huge issue to me. I need a reliable phone for work.
2. Dropping GPS. I am a guy that is used for issues at multiple work sites and facilities. As such I tend to use my GPS quite often. last week luckily I was at one static facility so I didnt need to rely on my GPS, but I ran it anyway as I had seen a number of people reporting issues with the G5 retaining GPS lock. about every 15-30 mins my phone would drop the GPS signal. it would take anywhere from a few seconds to 10 mins to reestablish. This is on a known route that i have never had any sort of GPS issues with any phones before.
3. Camera. I had the S4, S5, and then the S6 Edge. they all had pretty good cameras. Low light worked really well. the camera on the G5 does not compare. I thought I could live with it, but coupled with the other issues... Yea, its a problem for me. i like the wide angle camera, but the normal camera leaves a lot to be desired especially in low light situations.
4. Bluetooth. In my car i stream Pandora quite a bit. at least once a day i have to turn bluetooth back on as it will shut itself off in the middle of my commute. Again,not a deal breaker in and of itself, but with everything else...
5. Alarm Clock reliability. This is a strange one... the stock alarm clock tends to not go off for me. the app I normally download and use just plain didnt work with the G5. in one week the alarm has completely failed to go off 4 different days. I have checked all the settings, everything is right, nothing is killing the alarm clock app during the night, but in the morning it just wont go off. I have set the alarm and watched it waiting for it to go off for testing, and half the time when it does go off it is not audible. just the screen lights up. then if I leave everything set as it was and bump the time a couple mins so that it will go off again, the next time I will get audio. sometimes. its inconsistent, but the majority of the time it does not work properly.
6. Screen Quality. Ok, this one is really an issue with me. im jaded. I admit this. Coming from the AmoLED's on the Galaxy series looking at the G5's screen colors seem washed out. Not as sharp and bright. I know the Sammy phones over-saturate the colors, but I guess Im just used to them and because of that this screen Im just not happy with.
7. Always on display. Or what ever it is... the clock that is displayed on the screen when you turn off the screen and lock the phone. On the S6 edge I had only the clock numerals and such was lit. the rest of the screen remained off and black. With the G5 screen even though the screen looks like its off and black in a dark room you can tell the entire screen is on. it lights up my room at night. not a lot, but just enough to bug me. Again, not a deal breaker in and of itself, but with everything else....
8. Sound. streaming music via BT is fine, well as long as the BT remains on... using a pair of wired headphones the audio quality just isnt there. Playing the same track on my G5, my old GS6 Edge and my wifes S7 there is a definite sound quality loss with the G5. I have a set of Sennheiser studio headphones and I could tell ever time my wife plugged them into the G5. I was looking forward to the HIFI module, but well with all the rest here...
So this morning I went back to my AT&T store to return this phone since I was still within my 15 day period. Got there 20 mins before it opened and waited with 4 other people. when i got inside and all checked in to the que for help, the lady kinda chuckled. apparently the other 4 people were there to do the same thing, exchange the G5 for a different device.
I really wanted to like this phone. I really tried. One or two of the issues i could have lived with, but when they are all present... this does NOT seem like a flagship phone to me. seems more like a swing and a miss.
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Humm, I haven't had any such issues....
Hope you enjoy your new device.
As a comparison, my data, gps, Bluetooth and such all work fine. When using an auxiliary cable in my car I had that hissing sound, but using the alternate 3.5mm port on the back of my radio fixed the issue.
The only part of the phone that could use some fine tuning is the strength of the paint or whatever it's calledy. The paint got a little rough or irritated in a couple spots from removing a tpu case less than ten times. I also noticed a little chip in the coating near the charging port. I'm very careful with my phones. My G2 has less blemishes at this point and I've had that thing forever. I'll be curious to see how it will hold up over the next year, at the least.
Who knows, my paint problem could be a minority issue just as others with GPS and data issues. In my case, instead of getting a new device that could possibly have more than superficial defects. I'll keep the one with the funky paint.
As we all know, there's lots to love about this phone. I'm sure as hell keeping mine.
All the problems I hear about seem to be non existant on the unbranded variants or variants for carriers outside the US...
Also AT&T H820 seems to have the most issues.
Had this phone for a week now with no issues.I've only read one bad report of a variant outside the US...
Not saying LG is not at fault but this what happens when carriers mess with the firmware...doesn't explain quality issues but most of it seems to be with AT&T
My main issue is the ambient light sensor causing the image to flicker in low light when using the FFC, and the obvious auto brightness issue. This needs to get fixed ASAP by LG.
Everything else is working just fine for me. Battery life is meh, but as others have mentioned the stand by time is amazing feels similar to the performance of an iPhone in terms of battery life. Bluetooth works fine as well.
I do not have any of these issues. So have to say I disagree with this post completely.
1 Carrier issues, ie network is your mobile provider. Mine drops never. 4G 2 to 3 bars most of the time.
2. GPS on mine is perfect, many journeys well over half an hour, no issues at all.
3. The camera beats out any other phone I've used low light and craps over the Galaxy S's Barring the 7. (You need to use manual or a steady hand but still stands)
4. BT issues is the devices you are connecting to.
5. Alarm clock always goes off for me.. maybe you're turning it off in your sleep, or some settings you've altered or app you've downloaded
6. S6 and 7 screens are better, no doubt, except in sunlight where the S6 is not really useable but G5 is absolutely perfect in sun. As bright as if you're indoors.
7. Always on display drains too much battery so I turn it off... I like my 6.5 hours screen on time at 75% brightness.
8. Sound quality trounces my old S6 and Xperia Z5, can't say much else about this. It's louder and clearer and bassier.
Have to say i'm happy with this phone and thanks to the wide angle lens.. I might just end up keeping it.
UK H850 Stock Rom had for 4 weeks now.
1. Dropping Network. -- This has been better than my old Z2. In fact some "dead spots" that my friends phone suffer from I find my phone still has 2 bars
2. Dropping GPS. -- Used the LG fitness tracker the other day and it was really accurate to the paths I walked when check on google maps. CHecking some photos on google and they are accurate to 2 metres.
3. Camera. -- Low light has not been an issue for me, but if it were I'd switch to the manual mode. Done some amazing sunsets thanks to the manual mode
4. Bluetooth. -- Only used with headphones but never had an issue. Streamed for couple of hours to a portable speaker at a bbq this weekend and was faultless.
5. Alarm Clock reliability.-- Not used that feature. Have used the timer function for cooking and that works a treat, very loud as well
6. Screen Quality.-- I thought my Xperia Z2 screen was good, the G5 is blinding when you set brightness up. It's amazing for outdoor use in sun light. I have seen the S6 screen, colours look freakish and don't match when on a TV or monitor
7. Always on display. -- I have stopped turning my phone on thanks to this and the battery usage is insane, it barely uses it. Also I have noticed it changes brightness based on on light sensor. Plus if I want it off I cover the proximity sensor or flip it.
8. using a pair of wired headphones the audio quality just isnt there. -- Yet this has a 24bit DAC, better than the S7 (dependent on processor) and most other flagships. The basic headphones with it are crap but they are cheap. But my sony nc ones sound amazing with it.
I read a lot of bad things about quality whee this launched but then I reminded myself, people only tend to have time to complain about things and no praise. I know I'm guilty of that. In fact I'll layout my one complaint about the G5, the UI. It's not as "clever" or usable as what I'm used to with the Xperia. But I can change that with 3rd party software and root.
Maybe you have a bad one, or may as someone else pointed out the issue is the carriers forcing changes on base model. All those variants could be affecting the quality control.
I have the H860N dual sim version, not having any problems as mentioned above apart from the alarm part.
I set my alarm on at 3pm and 4pm with snooze in case I over slept, but some how the alarm goes off at around 9:20pm and also the set alarm times, not sure if it's related to other features.
I'm still testing it now.
I just wanted to chime in here.
I have the LG G5 on Verizon and my signal is horrid. I lose LTE coverage all the time. This is NOT the network as I also carry a LG G4 with me that is also on Verizon and it always has a LTE connection and a strong signal at the time that the G5 drops. I am getting Verizon to replace the device, hopefully this resolves the issue.
They had me use the Repair tool on my PC along with multiple factory resets. They event went as far as to blame the Google Application updates that were from the Play store, aka looking for a cop out.
The only issue that I've had with my G5 has been with the AT&T LTE signal. Sometimes I find the phone struggling to stay on LTE for a minute or two. This is not a big problem for me but it is sometimes annoying when I try to watch a video or something. I live in the Washington DC area and LTE service is pretty strong over most of the area, so it's not a carrier issue. Again it's not a big deal and most of the time I don't notice it.
Regarding the camera, it's one of the best smartphone cameras I've seen yet, I've taken some pretty amazing shots and all of them have been in full auto mode.
If your device is having that many issues, you should probably return it.
You are right
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All the problems I hear about seem to be non existant on the unbranded variants or variants for carriers outside the US...
Also AT&T H820 seems to have the most issues.
Had this phone for a week now with no issues.I've only read one bad report of a variant outside the US...
Not saying LG is not at fault but this what happens when carriers mess with the firmware...doesn't explain quality issues but most of it seems to be with AT&T
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I wonder why AT&T and other U.S. carriers like to put their own software on top of LG factory image. Unbranded LG G5 works great!
Maybe you are right, Carriers 's bloatware may cause those issues.
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Go hidden menu, Run a ALL-AUTO-TEST, you can test the LTE NETWORK issues, If in test mode, the LTE never drops. It is not the hardware issue. According to my experience, Most of issues are caused by Carrier firmware.
I have this same issue with the alarm clock. sometimes it works my early morning alarm rarely goes off.
I have tried adding the alarm clock app to the battery optimization exception list and that hasn't helped.
Third party apps on the optimization list or off still unreliable.
anyone find a solution for this? i may try a factory reset this weekend.
other apps like KIK seem to have the same problem like they just stop functioning when the screen is off. I get a flood of messages when i unlock the screen.
could it have something to do with device encryption? i don't think my phone always had these problems and that;s the only big change i can think of that i made.
I haven't had a single one of the listed issues on my Verizon phone other than the pretty bad low light camera, which does bum me out because it was weirdly a lot better on my G4? Daylight photos are absolutely beautiful.
I also use my alarm every night with no issues.
The update my phone downloaded last Friday seems to have fixed my issues with the alarm clock.
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