Sorry, it's a little bit of a rant , I just can't believe google, how can they screw up the HDR+ mode so bad? The HDR+ makes the photos, specially the ones at night look amazing but it also makes the camera almost useless, it slow downs the camera/ phone and it takes like 4 seconds to take a single shot :/ and even worse if you take let's say 3 photos, it just queues the photo editing of the photos, so you have to wait 12 seconds to see the last pic you took.
Nexus 6p and pretty much all of the nexus phones (nexus 5, nexus 6) need the longest of any flagship I've tried to capture a HDR+ pic :/ , the galaxy s6, the LG G4, the iphone 6/6s you just snap a HDR picture and it's already on the gallery by the time you open it.
I love hdr+ and has been trying to flash it on every phone since N5 ?
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HDR+ makes a huge difference. It does a good Job..they do need to work on the app though
I think most of these posters have never used a phone outside of stock Android. I had the G4 and Note 5 before getting my 6P, and I can tell you that compared to the HDR modes of both LG and Samsung, the Google Camera HDR+ mode is truly awful. Yes it's a bit better than the non-HDR mode, but not by much. HDR on LG and Samsung makes a huge difference, and those images are almost instantly view-able.
Huh, this has not been my experience.
geoff5093 said:
I think most of these posters have never used a phone outside of stock Android. I had the G4 and Note 5 before getting my 6P, and I can tell you that compared to the HDR modes of both LG and Samsung, the Google Camera HDR+ mode is truly awful. Yes it's a bit better than the non-HDR mode, but not by much. HDR on LG and Samsung makes a huge difference, and those images are almost instantly view-able.
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As a former S6 owner, the HDR results from Samsung are (majority of the time) over-processed and the picture, while high in dynamic range, looks unnatural. I've had great results with my 6P and HDR mode. The pictures come out with good dynamic range and they look a lot more natural.
What I mean is, its a small device with so many features. Not a DSLR? I think I'm a decent photographer and the camera on this phone is outstanding
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daewond3r said:
As a former S6 owner, the HDR results from Samsung are (majority of the time) over-processed and the picture, while high in dynamic range, looks unnatural. I've had great results with my 6P and HDR mode. The pictures come out with good dynamic range and they look a lot more natural.
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I strongly disagree, unless you think these shots from my Note 5 are "unnaturally overprocessed":
Untitled by Geoff Johnson, on Flickr
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Subaru WRX STI by Geoff Johnson, on Flickr
The 6P photos come out dull most of the time. Here are some of my keepers from my 6P:
Untitled by Geoff Johnson, on Flickr
The LG G4 is definitely my favorite:
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I'm not saying the 6P isn't good, it is for a Nexus definitely. I'm saying HDR mode doesn't even compare to that of LG and Samsung.
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I strongly disagree, unless you think these shots from my Note 5 are "unnaturally overprocessed":
The LG G4 is definitely my favorite
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Most certainly without doubt over processed. Your N5/G4 pics do not resemble natural at all.... The world is not saturated like that. Just as all Samsung AMOLED displays are awfully over saturated. Just happy 6P has sRGB mode to lessen that effect.
HDR acceptable for low light, other than that it sucks, my opinion anyway. HDR is a novelty and compensation for the weakness of phone cameras. That is all it is. If you want real contrast, learn photography rather than touting how amazing the G4 is? My suggestion. I am not a photographer but have never been impressed by any phone camera vs an actual DSLR by an amateur enthusiast.
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zymphad said:
Most certainly without doubt over processed. Your N5/G4 pics do not resemble natural at all.... The world is not saturated like that. Just as all Samsung AMOLED displays are awfully over saturated. Just happy 6P has sRGB mode to lessen that effect.
HDR acceptable for low light, other than that it sucks, my opinion anyway. HDR is a novelty and compensation for the weakness of phone cameras. That is all it is. If you want real contrast, learn photography rather than touting how amazing the G4 is? My suggestion. I am not a photographer but have never been impressed by any phone camera vs an actual DSLR by an amateur enthusiast.
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Completely false, you are just used to the dull photos from the Nexus. Have you ever been to a New England fall day? It's most definitely that saturated. These look very similar to how they look out of camera from my DSLR as well.
No one wants to look at 100% natural photos either, slightly saturated adds a nice look to photos to make them pop. There is a difference between over saturated and a good looking photo though.
HDR for low light? Do you know what HDR actually does? Low light is when you don't want to use it due to taking an over exposed shot in a dark shot will lead to excessive ISO and or blurred images.
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I live in New England and HDR are by definition over saturated contrast enhanced processed and IMO Samsung/LG are the worst. Apple probably the best. Real camera trumps them all. I prefer real life over saturated digital. Personally hope someday phone cameras will improve someday and HDR will be a terrible memory people will laugh thinking, people really thought HDR was a good idea?
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No doubt that camera app lack behind of Samsung, Apple and LG.
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zymphad said:
Most certainly without doubt over processed. Your N5/G4 pics do not resemble natural at all.... The world is not saturated like that. Just as all Samsung AMOLED displays are awfully over saturated. Just happy 6P has sRGB mode to lessen that effect.
HDR acceptable for low light, other than that it sucks, my opinion anyway. HDR is a novelty and compensation for the weakness of phone cameras. That is all it is. If you want real contrast, learn photography rather than touting how amazing the G4 is? My suggestion. I am not a photographer but have never been impressed by any phone camera vs an actual DSLR by an amateur enthusiast.
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Completely false, you are just used to the dull photos from the Nexus. Have you ever been to a New England fall day? It's most definitely that saturated. These look very similar to how they look out of camera from my DSLR as well.
No one wants to look at 100% natural photos either, slightly saturated adds a nice look to photos to make them pop. There is a difference between over saturated and a good looking photo though.
HDR for low light? Do you know what HDR actually does? Low light is when you don't want to use it due to taking an over exposed shot in a dark shot will lead to excessive ISO and or blurred images.
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I also have to disagree. Although the camera on the 6p is better then the 6 which was better then the 5 etc its still far from "great"
The photos on my S6 were amazing and fast.
The software on the stock android for camera is horrible. The only reason i was excited for the 6p camera vs the S6 was the 240fps for slowmo and unless the sun is directly above you theres an absurd amount of noise PLUS you cant export the slomo video after you finish putting the slomo parts in so you can only view it on Google Photos otherwise the entire video is slow.
Everyone is missing op's point.
He/she is saying that it takes a long time for the app to do it's thing. To take the shot and process the image.
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I think most of these posters have never used a phone outside of stock Android. I had the G4 and Note 5 before getting my 6P, and I can tell you that compared to the HDR modes of both LG and Samsung, the Google Camera HDR+ mode is truly awful. Yes it's a bit better than the non-HDR mode, but not by much. HDR on LG and Samsung makes a huge difference, and those images are almost instantly view-able.
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This is entirely true. I bought myself a note 4 used along with a 128 gig card, since it was going cheap, took a HDR shot and its .. instantaneous. Zero wait time.. click, point and shoot and view a second later.
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zymphad said:
Most certainly without doubt over processed. Your N5/G4 pics do not resemble natural at all.... The world is not saturated like that. Just as all Samsung AMOLED displays are awfully over saturated. Just happy 6P has sRGB mode to lessen that effect.
HDR acceptable for low light, other than that it sucks, my opinion anyway. HDR is a novelty and compensation for the weakness of phone cameras. That is all it is. If you want real contrast, learn photography rather than touting how amazing the G4 is? My suggestion. I am not a photographer but have never been impressed by any phone camera vs an actual DSLR by an amateur enthusiast.
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All samsung phones also do have the ability to be switched to SRGB (basic display mode i think). It makes a LOT of difference, if you prefer your display to be flat like that.
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Everyone is missing op's point.
He/she is saying that it takes a long time for the app to do it's thing. To take the shot and process the image.
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Pretty much this.
It does take a long time to process the photo. My G3 never took this long but HDR works better then my G3 for pulling up the shadows. But I rarely use it on any phones and the times I've used it, I was pretty happy with the results that I tested. I've done it a few times on my DSLR manually but I don't do it much.
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You do realize that the HDR+ in Google's camera app does a lot more than just a regular HDR mode??? http://petapixel.com/2014/10/30/look-googles-impressive-hdr-feature-latest-nexus-phone-cameras/
It takes a lot to pull off the shots that this camera can take. BTW, I have a Note 4 and the 6p is definitely better. Also, if you dislike HDR so much, then just turn it off!
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You do realize that the HDR+ in Google's camera app does a lot more than just a regular HDR mode??? http://petapixel.com/2014/10/30/look-googles-impressive-hdr-feature-latest-nexus-phone-cameras/
It takes a lot to pull off the shots that this camera can take. BTW, I have a Note 4 and the 6p is definitely better. Also, if you dislike HDR so much, then just turn it off!
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You do realize that such comments are useless?? Who cares what Google's hdr does. It doesn't take a genius to realize their camera app is simple junk. It is like 10 years behind Apple and Samsung and it will probably keep being that way as long as there are users like you that will justify them no matter what.
Disagree completely, I have the note 5, and some how the 6p is taking less blurry and equally sick photos
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Theres alot of misrepresentation going around about the One's ultrapixel camera. Fact is, most people dont really understand what a technological breakthrough it really is. HTC published a white paper on it, and its good reading for anyone that is interested. Ive seen people say "Well, its just a suped up 4MP camera". Well, thats not really true. Do you all remember back when Intel released the Core 2 Duo processors? It was at the peak of the mhz war. The higher the mhz the faster the processor, right? Well, no. The Core 2 Duo was a breakthrough in showing its not just about mhz. Intel effectively showed a C2D chip at 2.5mhz was SIGNIFICANTLY faster than a previous 3.7mhz chip. Its all in the archetecture.
So, the link to the white paper is HERE. Its not super technical, but does a great job outlining why the Ultra pixel camera is different, and how its a huge leap in technology from previous cameras. Ive quoted a few notable excerpts from the paper below.
For years, a misconception among most consumers is that the higher the megapixel count, the better quality of images. Actually, the number of megapixels is only one of many factors that determine picture quality, with sensors and image processors each playing a critical role.
The 2.0 micrometer UltraPixel has effectively twice the surface area of the typical 1.4 micrometer pixel found on 8MP solutions from leading competitors and far larger than the 1.1 micrometer pixel on 13MP sensors.
In order to provide the best quality on our camera, we have designed our own HTC ImageChip 2 to perform some of the processing at the hardware level.
Aperture is the width that a camera lens opens when a picture gets taken.
Aperture is measured in f-stops, with the smallest f-stop numbers representing the largest apertures.
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One of the biggest complaints about smartphone cameras has been blurry photos. There are two main reasons for this:
Length of time required to capture an image, resulting in misaligned light streams coming into the sensor.
The physical shaking of the hand while holding the camera or pressing the shutter button.
To address the first issue, HTC's camera is now capable of capturing full size photos in up to 1/48 of a second, compared to 1/30 of a second from other competitors and the HTC One X (2012). This is a significant improvement in shutter speed on a smartphone camera, producing photos and videos that are sharper and clearer in all conditions.
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And for those who would like an intro of how aperture works, HERE is a great link.
Yep, the One has a great image sensor for a cellphone. Sure it's pictures wont blow up as big as the S4's pictures, but these 4MP pics look great on my 55 inch G Series Panasonic plasma. I mean how much bigger do you want them? I'm not one to crop my pictures, nor am I one to use a digital zoom. My feet are my zoom (think of using a prime lens). I would like to see HTC remove the AA filter and give us just us the raw images. That would be pretty awesome, and in theory it would really show off what HTC is trying to do.
In the meantime I've been able to get some great shots, and that's good enough for me.
blackangst said:
Theres alot of misrepresentation going around about the One's ultrapixel camera. Fact is, most people dont really understand what a technological breakthrough it really is. HTC published a white paper on it, and its good reading for anyone that is interested. Ive seen people say "Well, its just a suped up 4MP camera". Well, thats not really true. Do you all remember back when Intel released the Core 2 Duo processors? It was at the peak of the mhz war. The higher the mhz the faster the processor, right? Well, no. The Core 2 Duo was a breakthrough in showing its not just about mhz. Intel effectively showed a C2D chip at 2.5mhz was SIGNIFICANTLY faster than a previous 3.7mhz chip. Its all in the archetecture.
So, the link to the white paper is HERE. Its not super technical, but does a great job outlining why the Ultra pixel camera is different, and how its a huge leap in technology from previous cameras. Ive quoted a few notable excerpts from the paper below.
And for those who would like an intro of how aperture works, HERE is a great link.
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Unrelated, Actually it was AMD that showed Intel that Mhz was the wrong way of looking at things. Intel turned the war around when they started thinking like AMD. AMD grabbed a lot of market share during those times. P2-PD years. Now back to the info on great camera tech
(photography geek here)
I applaud HTC's decision to back away from the megapixel war and focus on photosite size and light-gathering capabilities. Cell phones have been capable of taking decent photos in good lighting for some time, but its a rare phone that can take non-blurry, non-noise-laden photos in even most average room lighting. The typical lux ratings of the average living room are astonishingly low, actually -- it's a testament to the design of our eyes that we see so well when most cameras really struggle to gather sufficient light.
Anyway, as I said, I love the direction HTC has gone, although in reality I think they sacrificed too much resolution to reach their goal. 4MP is simply not enough in many scenarios. Go thoroughly read the in depth comparisons on some of the thorough HTC One / Galaxy S4 reviews (such as Anandtech's exhaustive review/comparo) and it becomes obvious: While the One holds a measurable advantage in low-light scenarios, its lack of resolution often negates any benefits that it offers. Given equivalent exposure, competitors' 8-13MP images can be downsampled to match the 4MP max output of the One, generally reducing the effect of visible noise, while offering vastly improved sharpness and details.
And the output from the One in low light, medium-high ISO situations is not nearly as clean or sharp as you would think based on the "Ultrapixel" claims. Any base, entry-model, bare bones point and shoot camera would outperform it in areas of detail, clarity, noise handling and dynamic range.
Still, it's true that the One can absolutely enable shots in extremely low lighting situations that other camera phones simply can't capture at all due to the limitations of their apertures and ISO ceilings. But in average low-light scenarios, the One isn't as far ahead of the competition as you would think after reading that white paper (don't forget, "white paper" is industry code for "scientific sounding paid advertisement").
All this said, I love the One and its camera, flaws and all. The fact that it enables me to get keepers, even if not the best, in situations when other camera phones would simply produce a dark, blurred mess, makes the tradeoff worth it. And since most of my phone photos go to a typical web gallery (i.e. - not huge printed output), the results are acceptable.
In the end, my point is simply that while HTC has gone in an excellent direction, they need to strike a better balance between sensor & photosite size and resolution. Other improvements, such as moving away from plastic lens elements, improved processing algorithms, etc would make up for a lot as well. A 6-8MP HTC One with Apple's sapphire lens elements and a little better image processing (HTC cameras simply struggle to nail colors and sharpness in auto mode, IMHO) would be ideal.
You're giving too much credit when you are using your core 2 duo analogy.
Yes i would choose a 4mp ultrapixel over a regular 4mp cellphone camera
but not to a 13mp 8mp even 6mp camera.
Point blank with a 4mp HTC One you still have 4mp and any zooming on a picture you take will lead to major blur. Esp if you are taking pictures to read text
I really like what HTC did with the camera but if I had to choose to swap that camera I would swap it with the 13mp on the oppo 5.
seattletecg said:
You're giving too much credit when you are using your core 2 duo analogy.
Yes i would choose a 4mp ultrapixel over a regular 4mp cellphone camera
but not to a 13mp 8mp even 6mp camera.
Point blank with a 4mp HTC One you still have 4mp and any zooming on a picture you take will lead to major blur. Esp if you are taking pictures to read text
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I totally disagree with this. My 8mp Nexus 4 takes crappy shots compared to my HTC one. Zoomed in shots of the same locations still look much better on the One also (I have been comparing the last 3 days). This to me proves that the number of pixel count means absolutely nothing in camera phones at this time.
I read every review online I could find of the cameras comparing the HTC one and GS4, and I was really shocked. The GS4 took some good detailed images but it didn't blow away the HTC One like I thought it would considering it has 9mp more. And in actuality all action shots taken between the two were won by the HTC One as the GS4 camera could not figure out what to focus on. This also proves that camera software makes a big difference.
So judging a camera by pixel count alone and not other factors will really invalidate your theory of bigger equals better as there is a lot more than "pixel size" that makes the difference of a camera phone.
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I totally disagree with this. My 8mp Nexus 4 takes crappy shots compared to my HTC one. Zoomed in shots of the same locations still look much better on the One also (I have been comparing the last 3 days). This to me proves that the number of pixel count means absolutely nothing in camera phones at this time.
I read every review online I could find of the cameras comparing the HTC one and GS4, and I was really shocked. The GS4 took some good detailed images but it didn't blow away the HTC One like I thought it would considering it has 9mp more. And in actuality all action shots taken between the two were won by the HTC One as the GS4 camera could not figure out what to focus on. This also proves that camera software makes a big difference.
So judging a camera by pixel count alone and not other factors will really invalidate your theory of bigger equals better as there is a lot more than "pixel size" that makes the difference of a camera phone. As I said in my prev post the oppo 5 camera would be the best thing for me. I think that phone has the best smartphone camera.
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In reality I think it would of been better for a higher mp camera. This was taken with night mode, a lot of the pics I take has noise to it thanks to the 4mp camera that the one has.
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Monk4Life said:
I totally disagree with this. My 8mp Nexus 4 takes crappy shots compared to my HTC one. Zoomed in shots of the same locations still look much better on the One also (I have been comparing the last 3 days). This to me proves that the number of pixel count means absolutely nothing in camera phones at this time.
I read every review online I could find of the cameras comparing the HTC one and GS4, and I was really shocked. The GS4 took some good detailed images but it didn't blow away the HTC One like I thought it would considering it has 9mp more. And in actuality all action shots taken between the two were won by the HTC One as the GS4 camera could not figure out what to focus on. This also proves that camera software makes a big difference.
So judging a camera by pixel count alone and not other factors will really invalidate your theory of bigger equals better as there is a lot more than "pixel size" that makes the difference of a camera phone.
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I don't know how well the nexus 4 camera is. But take pictures with the one with text in the distance and try to see how sharp that text is. I use my note 2 to take pictures of say phone numbers of houses for sale while i'm driving. I do the same with my htc one and I"m not able to make out the text. Also look at pictures on the web of htc one pics and look at pictures with words in the distance. No matter how you look at it its still 4 megapixels
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Great read. Inspired to look at old photos from my GS2, and its f-stop and "bokeh" ability.
Thanks a lot, will be late for work tmw morning
Why didn't HTC just make an 8 or 12 ultra pixel since everyone is saying the 4 makes blurry pictures when you zoom in? Why would HTC put a bad/average sensor in a flagship device? Are they saving the 8 or 12 ultra pixel for the HTC Two when it comes out next year? Can there even be an 8 ultra pixel? I'm just curious. I'm happy with the photos my One takes.
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This is the starting, watch next year in HTC's next flagship(hopes for the best).
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yes they will get better, next year maybe a 6 ultra pixel or 8 would be the best but maybe years off.
I have to say I am super disappointed with the camera, its the one thing that makes me want the GS4, I am hoping some software mods can help, but I doubt it.
The camera just plain sucks. By far the worst thing about this phone. Good thing I got $ 100 rebate and a free car dock to kinda make up for it.
Ultrapixel is just a word they made up to hide the fact that its a 4 mp camera. The slightly larger sensor isn't doing it any favors. I have an old Sony 4 mp camera that blows this away.
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shabazz18 said:
The camera just plain sucks. By far the worst thing about this phone. Good thing I got $ 100 rebate and a free car dock to kinda make up for it.
Ultrapixel is just a word they made up to hide the fact that its a 4 mp camera. The slightly larger sensor isn't doing it any favors. I have an old Sony 4 mp camera that blows this away.
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Yep, its funny I installed Camera FX, and the pictures are 100% better, very clear not all fuzzy. Lol HTC cant make a camera that works better than a generic camera app. lol
veliksam said:
Why didn't HTC just make an 8 or 12 ultra pixel since everyone is saying the 4 makes blurry pictures when you zoom in? Why would HTC put a bad/average sensor in a flagship device? Are they saving the 8 or 12 ultra pixel for the HTC Two when it comes out next year? Can there even be an 8 ultra pixel? I'm just curious. I'm happy with the photos my One takes.
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Zoom with your feet instead of using the digital zoom. I'd prefer the Nokia camera, but this is a close second in my book. I look at pictures on my phone, laptop, and tv. These 4MP pictures look just fine on all three.
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For all you guys debating if the 4mp is good or not, look at the development of DSLRs. I've had people complain about my 10mp 4/3 camera have less mp than their LG but my camera definitely takes a whole lot better pictures.
Sensor size is all I have to say.
One also has an advantage of having an optical image stabilizer which is a whole lot better than digital.
Higher megapixel count is better for cropping. I'm supprised they haven't yet developed cropping zoom, which 4mp of a 13mp is about 3x zoom with no distortion. Also using the mp count would be good for cropped digital stabilization.
4mp is enough for Facebook and other things because Facebook takes 2mp 2048x1xxx on high quality, so even if needed, you can still crop out half the picture without distortion.
My only complaint about the One's camera is that it has a preference for ramping up the iso and using stabilization instead of the great flash in darker pictures.
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FxCamera by Bitcellar Inc. is free from the market and fantastic. It has made every phone cam capture better than stock pics with all the phones and tablets I have used.
For unlocked users, you guys should try a custom rom on 1.29. Increases quality greatly.
veliksam said:
Why didn't HTC just make an 8 or 12 ultra pixel since everyone is saying the 4 makes blurry pictures when you zoom in? Why would HTC put a bad/average sensor in a flagship device? Are they saving the 8 or 12 ultra pixel for the HTC Two when it comes out next year? Can there even be an 8 ultra pixel? I'm just curious. I'm happy with the photos my One takes.
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The problem is in the size of the pixels.
You can only fit so many pixels on a cameraphone, the lens is only so big. So with a lower pixel count, you lose clarity but you have bigger pixels. bigger pixels let in more light which makes the pictures brighter in low lighting conditions. HTC looked at the data and saw that people were using their cameras for:
- selfies
-pictures of food in restaurants
- pictures with friends
- more selfies
-etc etc
and they were uploading them to:
- facebook (which has a ****ty resolution cap i think its 2mp or something)
- instagram (smaller cap then facebook)
-twitter (see above)
so on paper it makes sense for them to go this way. The majority of their customers dont need 13mp, they're never going to use 13mp.
So for what it is, I think they made the right move. That being said, being a 30 year old tech junkie I would have preferred 13mp not for the count but because pictures do look significantly clearer on say the SGS4 compared to the One in normal lighting conditions. But its not something to go up in arms about. At this point, whatever keeps HTC afloat I'm all for it.
I think the G2 still has the best camera by quite a margin if you know how to use it, and I haven't even tried 4k or other camera improvement mods. The only thing the HTC phones have on it is low light pictures, which I don't think most people do anyway.
The OIS helps a hell of a lot for someone like me that has a hand tremor that's really bad at times.
What's your opinion on the camera? I'd rather have my phone than a $200 point and shoot as long as I don't need to zoom.
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it's good under a lot of conditions, but very, very slow. Until you mod it. Then it's all around slick.
I've compared it to a Samsung Galaxy S4 and Lenovo Vibe Z camera (with f/1.8 lens) and both were less precise by a wide margin and frequently had pictures ruined by hand shaking.
The OIS doesn't just counteract the visible shaking; it reduces micro-shakes that blur your pictures without you noticing them. As a result the accuracy of this camera is about 3 megapixels higher than normal (my estimate).
All this being said, it's still a cellphone camera, so it has major flaws. It has only an f/2.4 aperture, which is mediocre for a high-end phone (though OIS counters it a bit by reducing subject-motion blur). Movement and low-light photos get ruined often. And I disagree that these aren't common conditions.
here's a quick demonstration and proof of the sharpness difference between Samsung Galaxy S4 and LG G2:
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the top pic is what the S4's pic looked like when it did NOT get blurred by hand shaking. most pictures turned out worse than that.
Didn't the OIS not only kick in for videos? Just saying... Sounds like placebo to me. I don't shake much usually, but I get a lot of blur pics...
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The stock camera is pretty good but I tried out Jishnu's cam mod and its great 4k is really beautiful though the 720p 120fps is very pixelated and imo not really usable. There's some features that are supposed to be included like HFR mode for front camera but I don't seem to have it for some reason.
nomad4ever said:
Didn't the OIS not only kick in for videos? Just saying... Sounds like placebo to me. I don't shake much usually, but I get a lot of blur pics...
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It works for video and picture.
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I think the G2 still has the best camera by quite a margin if you know how to use it
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this should be posted on every page of every camera thread here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2441127
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2444609
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2607744
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2525655
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this should be posted on every page of every camera thread here.
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I second that
for me lg g2 has good camera and ios. lg g3 will better
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this should be posted on every page of every camera thread here.
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Are there some tips to be shared?
I can get some seriously crisp photos and then crap for awhile.
I'm still all stock and the focusing is the worst I have ever experienced, no joke. Really.
Good at day, horrible at low light.
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Good at day, horrible at low light.
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I find it to be significantly better at low light than my Samsung phones were. HTC is definitely better at night but terrible at day. Sam used to black out completely when the light got even slightly dim. On my g2 it at least tries to get somewhat of a picture without relying on flash which makes pictures an ugly blue.
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I find it to be significantly better at low light than my Samsung phones were.
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Thanks to optical stabilizer in G2 , I guess.
Can anyone compare it with the Nexus 5 camera experience?
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The g2 has a terrible camera. On a sunny day it works great but on an overcast day. Or around 6/7 pm when the sun is going down it's pure garbage. This camera take in almost no light. There's no reason why in my kitchen with my light on lets say a 5/10 brightness should pictures be almost black. On my lumia and iPhone 5s, hell even my iPhone 3gs the view finders were all still lit bright and pictures were taken basically how my eye saw them.
LG really screwed up on the camera . this phone would have been perfect if it wasn't for the poor view finder lag/low light . there should be no noise on a photo in reasonable light and there is no reason why an ISO of 200 produces a dark image indoors with dim lighting when my ancient iPhone 3gs takes a beter low light indoor shot . I hope the g3 is a better camera or I'm jumping back to Nokia and wp8.1
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heres an exampe of the terrible light intake of this phone. first image is on the lumai 920 in normal mode at 200 iso the second image is on the g2 in normal mode on 200 iso. itsblurry but thats notthe problem bother were taken at 730 ish am in the same spot , i just woke up please excuse the mess also this is daylight coming in from the window behind me the room light was off
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The g2 has a terrible camera. On a sunny day it works great but on an overcast day. Or around 6/7 pm when the sun is going down it's pure garbage. This camera take in almost no light. There's no reason why in my kitchen with my light on lets say a 5/10 brightness should pictures be almost black. On my lumia and iPhone 5s, hell even my iPhone 3gs the view finders were all still lit bright and pictures were taken basically how my eye saw them.
LG really screwed up on the camera . this phone would have been perfect if it wasn't for the poor view finder lag/low light . there should be no noise on a photo in reasonable light and there is no reason why an ISO of 200 produces a dark image indoors with dim lighting when my ancient iPhone 3gs takes a beter low light indoor shot . I hope the g3 is a better camera or I'm jumping back to Nokia and wp8.1
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You really don't know nothing you're talking about. Fire up intelligent Auto mode and stop set iso to 200. G2 knows better what ISO it should make picture in. It has Snapdragon 800 under the hood which one is supposedly x1000 much smarter and x1000 times faster than your s****d brain :laugh:
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You really don't know nothing you're talking about. Fire up intelligent Auto mode and stop set iso to 200. G2 knows better what ISO it should make picture in. It has Snapdragon 800 under the hood which one is supposedly x1000 much smarter and x1000 times faster than your s****d brain :laugh:
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my IA is a dumb dumb. , the problem with IA is that the image will still have a high iso and have noise or be extremely soft. yes you are correct it will brighten the image but at the cost of image quality and noise.
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my IA is a dumb dumb. , the problem with IA is that the image will still have a high iso and have noise or be extremely soft. yes you are correct it will brighten the image but at the cost of image quality and noise.
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well, I see your point, you want stock camera to point-and-shoot and make descent pix. and I want stock player to play Adobe flash w/o any hassles. and someone want G2 to play music loud in stereo with BoomSound. That's why xda exists, there was not made a phone to be perfect from the box. maybe you may want to try some 3rd party cameras like http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.GoogleCamera or https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.almalence.opencam https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.almalence.hdr_plus
As I got a P10 (sadly not the P10 Plus) at MWC, I have been out and about in Barcelona taking photos.
I thought it was probably a good idea to create a thread for others to post to.
Here are my first photos at night:
https://jmcomms.com/2017/02/26/huawei-p10-night-photos-around-barcelona-and-first-impressions/
Followed by some in the late afternoon:
https://jmcomms.com/2017/02/27/huawei-p10-more-photos-around-barcelona-during-mwc-2017/
And an open Google Photos gallery that anyone can contribute to.
https://goo.gl/photos/BCfjQvk6zQmwm9w79
The camera is pretty much identical to the Mate 9, but it does have the new portrait functions (that may come to the Mate 9 in a future update).
It's a nice phone, but one complaint is that with the phone being so thin, you can easily grip the phone in such a way that you can't use the on-screen shutter to take a photo. It doesn't discount any other touches on the screen, so I've had many moments where I missed a shot because my thumb was EVER SO slightly touching the edge of the screen.
Sometimes bezels have their uses!
4K video samples; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCuoPs57Q4Q
jonmorris said:
It's a nice phone, but one complaint is that with the phone being so thin, you can easily grip the phone in such a way that you can't use the on-screen shutter to take a photo. It doesn't discount any other touches on the screen, so I've had many moments where I missed a shot because my thumb was EVER SO slightly touching the edge of the screen.
Sometimes bezels have their uses!
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You can always use the volume keys as a shutter.
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You can always use the volume keys as a shutter.
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Yes, and I do but it's not in the ideal position. I wish more companies would use two stage shutters like Sony.
I made some night shots for testing:
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All tree are made in ISO 50, the first two are at 30 sec. shutter speed, the third one at 4 sec.
I think the camera is really good at night with the right settings. I tried to make similar pics with my i6S but they weren't that good.
Got my P10 yesterday and here is my first shot (with aperture mode).
Jannomag said:
I made some night shots for testing:
All tree are made in ISO 50, the first two are at 30 sec. shutter speed, the third one at 4 sec.
I think the camera is really good at night with the right settings. I tried to make similar pics with my i6S but they weren't that good.
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Great shots. On your iPhone have you or did you try using Nightcap Pro?
P10 is still using a BSI CMOS but the night shots were really not bad. It'd be better if it upgraded to Stacked CMOS like Exmor RS.
Is it good with moving subjects? I have an OP3 and the camera has major difficulties in handling kids and babies, especially indoors, even with decent light.
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Is it good with moving subjects? I have an OP3 and the camera has major difficulties in handling kids and babies, especially indoors, even with decent light.
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Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
I have it for 4 days now and its camera is MUCH MUCH better than OP3. Better results than iphone 7, just the colors a bit more fake, sometimes. Fast camera, shocking fast fingerprint reader, charging speed and battery feels a bit better on OP3, not big differences.
Screen is dirtier than most phones though. I'm getting used to it. Also, headphones volume a bit thin.
But camera... I hated Op3 camera, my baby photos were always blurry. Not the case anymore.
davebugyi said:
Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
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I have it for 4 days now and its camera is MUCH MUCH better than OP3. Better results than iphone 7, just the colors a bit more fake, sometimes. Fast camera, shocking fast fingerprint reader, charging speed and battery feels a bit better on OP3, not big differences.
Screen is dirtier than most phones though. I'm getting used to it. Also, headphones volume a bit thin.
But camera... I hated Op3 camera, my baby photos were always blurry. Not the case anymore.
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This sounds fantastic. Do you still have the OP3? Can you try to shoot some pics indoors abouth the same object with the two and tell the EXIF (details option in gallery) ? No need to post the pics, just the ISO, Shutter between the P10 and OP3.
Thank you.
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P10 is still using a BSI CMOS but the night shots were really not bad. It'd be better if it upgraded to Stacked CMOS like Exmor RS.
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The IMX286 used as the color sensor in the P10 is listed as a Exmor rs sensor on the Wiki. Also in the mate 9 review on GSM arena. They wrote, that the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7.
I don't own the phone. But I'm considering buying it as a replacement for my HTC One M8. When i bought that, the camera wasn't a priority. But that is changed for my next purchase.
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The IMX286 used as the color sensor in the P10 is listed as a Exmor rs sensor on the Wiki. Also in the mate 9 review on GSM arena. They wrote, that the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7.
I don't own the phone. But I'm considering buying it as a replacement for my HTC One M8. When i bought that, the camera wasn't a priority. But that is changed for my next purchase.
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Can you explain a bit how is it: "the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7." ? I'm interested in this phone but f:2.2 is more than the f:1.8 of P10 Plus. Anyway, i dont know how much can be the shutter speed in pro mode.
Loving my P10 Plus, The camera is amazing, Here are some of my photos.
http://imgur.com/a/bQIki
http://imgur.com/a/dNjy6
http://imgur.com/a/ftgPI
http://imgur.com/a/WCsBs
Unfortunately no. My OP3 had a lot of dust on the lens, inside (i had a lot of phones, this never happened with any...). So I sent it to the Service Center and... DHL lost it.
Anyway. I remember in auto mode OP3 was always 1/17 with ISO from 1000 to 3000+. Any movement turned into blur usually. Very annoying. Then they made some update and it was using 1/20 and lower ISO. Still blurry. Manual shots were slightly better, sometimes.
With P10, same living room, it does 1/17 to 1/25, ISO from 200 to 640. BUT no blur anymore, so most likely OP3 problem is the damn postprocessing. In manual mode, you can really catch the action. Outside, ISO goes to 50 in good light. Interesting, sometimes indoors the picture looks brighter than the reality in auto mode, but in a good way ☺
Greens are slightly fake sometime.
davebugyi said:
Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
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This sounds fantastic. Do you still have the OP3? Can you try to shoot some pics indoors abouth the same object with the two and tell the EXIF (details option in gallery) ? No need to post the pics, just the ISO, Shutter between the P10 and OP3.
Thank you.
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No editing.
vicusbass said:
Unfortunately no. My OP3 had a lot of dust on the lens, inside (i had a lot of phones, this never happened with any...). So I sent it to the Service Center and... DHL lost it.
Anyway. I remember in auto mode OP3 was always 1/17 with ISO from 1000 to 3000+. Any movement turned into blur usually. Very annoying. Then they made some update and it was using 1/20 and lower ISO. Still blurry. Manual shots were slightly better, sometimes.
With P10, same living room, it does 1/17 to 1/25, ISO from 200 to 640. BUT no blur anymore, so most likely OP3 problem is the damn postprocessing. In manual mode, you can really catch the action. Outside, ISO goes to 50 in good light. Interesting, sometimes indoors the picture looks brighter than the reality in auto mode, but in a good way
Greens are slightly fake sometime.
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Many thanks! I am getting mine and getting rid of the OP 3T on Tuesday. The OP is a fast and nice phone, but a lacks a decent allrounder camera.
SebastianAlejandro said:
Can you explain a bit how is it: "the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7." ? I'm interested in this phone but f:2.2 is more than the f:1.8 of P10 Plus. Anyway, i dont know how much can be the shutter speed in pro mode.
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Hello Sebastian
This is a quote from the review on GSMArena:
"You'd argue that the f/2.2 aperture is quite dim by today's standards, to which Leica replies that you have two of those, so double the light. In effect that makes the aperture f/1.6 (2.2 divided by the square root of 2)."
http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_mate_9-review-1520p8.php
Also the arpeture on the plus model is still better, but not much
http://m.androidcentral.com/huawei-p10-vs-p10-plus-camera-comparison
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Thanks for sharing your beautifull pictures. It realy helps me to decide to buy this phone.
KyleGriffiths said:
Loving my P10 Plus, The camera is amazing, Here are some of my photos.
http://imgur.com/a/bQIki
http://imgur.com/a/dNjy6
http://imgur.com/a/ftgPI
http://imgur.com/a/WCsBs
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Love the photos. Have you used an older Huawei or Honor phone previously to the P10 Plus?
As the title of this thread says, the TOF sensor that Huawei told us is there for depth sensing especially in portrait photos is basically useless. Before getting this phone, I was wondering how can the P30 get almost identical edge detection to the ones on the P30 Pro, and also kept thinking about the fact that they were already great even in the Mate 20 Pro. I thought that well, when I get the phone, I'll test it myself and see if it has any real affect on portrait shots, and it doesn't. I took dozens of portrait pictures and portrait videos while covering the tof sensor with a bandaid, and recreated these same pictures without the bandaid, and the results were identical!!
Any P30 Pro owner, feel free to test it out, and you'll also come to the same conclusion that I got, which is that our P30 Pro's tof sensor is there for marketing purposes, and that it adds nothing to the table.
This doesn't affect the way I'll use my phone, as I am loving it, but it will definitely change the way I look at a company that is trying to deceive it's costumers.
For those who are interested in buying this device, send me your questions, and I will do my best to answer them.
I thought it wasn't implimented yet?
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I thought it wasn't implimented yet?
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I am interested to know where you read about that? I have seen dozens of reviews about it, and they all swear about how good the tof sensor is in separating people from the background.
What they have talked about, is that Huawei will work with app developers to make use of the tof sensor in future apps that measures height and stuff like that.
So basically you are saying that Huawei and all of the reviewers and all of the pictures and comparisons that are all over YouTube showing that the P30 Pro has great portrait mode are wrong? It's a scam and the pics are not actually better than the other phones? I don't care because frankly I've never taken one of those pics anyway as I prefer a realistic regular pic of a person or object, but I find it hard to believe it doesn't work when I've seen all the side by side comparisons and it seems to work quite well.
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So basically you are saying that Huawei and all of the reviewers and all of the pictures and comparisons that are all over YouTube showing that the P30 Pro has great portrait mode are wrong? It's a scam and the pics are not actually better than the other phones? I don't care because frankly I've never taken one of those pics anyway as I prefer a realistic regular pic of a person or object, but I find it hard to believe it doesn't work when I've seen all the side by side comparisons and it seems to work quite well.
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I see that reading comprehension isn't your thing?
Where did you see me question the quality of the pictures posted by reviewers? All I said that while edge detection is great, the tof sensor has nothing to do with it, at least in my testing.
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I see that reading comprehension isn't your thing?
Where did you see me question the quality of the pictures posted by reviewers? All I said that while edge detection is great, the tof sensor has nothing to do with it, at least in my testing.
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I must have missed the point of your post, yes. If the device produces great results I guess it doesn't really matter how it does it. Thanks for the info.
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I must have missed the point of your post, yes. If the device produces great results I guess it doesn't really matter how it does it. Thanks for the info.
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No it does matter, because Huawei is selling this phone as the one with a quad camera setup, and spent a good time in their keynote discussing how the tof sensor works.
And while it delivers great portrait shots, it isn't always the case, edge detection becomes inconsistent when there is a direct light source behind you.
But even if it was flawless, the results doesn't matter, what matters is that Huawei's marketing team is deceiving us into believing that we need this time of flight sensor.
Maher.k22 said:
As the title of this thread says, the TOF sensor that Huawei told us is there for depth sensing especially in portrait photos is basically useless. Before getting this phone, I was wondering how can the P30 get almost identical edge detection to the ones on the P30 Pro, and also kept thinking about the fact that they were already great even in the Mate 20 Pro. I thought that well, when I get the phone, I'll test it myself and see if it has any real affect on portrait shots, and it doesn't. I took dozens of portrait pictures and portrait videos while covering the tof sensor with a bandaid, and recreated these same pictures without the bandaid, and the results were identical!!
Any P30 Pro owner, feel free to test it out, and you'll also come to the same conclusion that I got, which is that our P30 Pro's tof sensor is there for marketing purposes, and that it adds nothing to the table.
This doesn't affect the way I'll use my phone, as I am loving it, but it will definitely change the way I look at a company that is trying to deceive it's costumers.
For those who are interested in buying this device, send me your questions, and I will do my best to answer them.
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No too smart comment....Just read around on net before say many BS...Pls tank you!
...and the short story: ToF not active yet.Wait for update.
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No too smart comment....Just read around on net before say many BS...Pls tank you!
...and the short story: ToF not active yet.Wait for update.
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Oh trust me, I did my fair share of searching before posting this. Now, how about you do us a favor and show me links where Huawei says that the tof isn't activated as of right now? You're definitely mistaking it for them saying that they will open it for developers to use it in their apps.
I am a no youtuber, not an apple, Samsung or huwaei fan... I have S10 plus and P30 pro. The camera on p30 pro is just a hype created by people who got free Paris trip. Trust me, i did side by side comparisons on both phones in order to decide which one to keep. Well, p30 pro is better than S10+ only during night time pictures. I don't say it is bad during daytime, but i would not call it as a camera phone as others are reviewing it as. Zoom is good till 5x. It does loose image quality on 10x slightly.
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No too smart comment....Just read around on net before say many BS...Pls tank you!
...and the short story: ToF not active yet.Wait for update.
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Huawei and others pays some good dollars for having their hardware tested and benchmarked by DXO.
One would though they would mentioned that the ToF ain't active, yet.
Can you send some links.
As today the P30 seems to use the same bokeh technique as the P30
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As the title of this thread says, the TOF sensor that Huawei told us is there for depth sensing especially in portrait photos is basically useless. Before getting this phone, I was wondering how can the P30 get almost identical edge detection to the ones on the P30 Pro, and also kept thinking about the fact that they were already great even in the Mate 20 Pro. I thought that well, when I get the phone, I'll test it myself and see if it has any real affect on portrait shots, and it doesn't. I took dozens of portrait pictures and portrait videos while covering the tof sensor with a bandaid, and recreated these same pictures without the bandaid, and the results were identical!!
Any P30 Pro owner, feel free to test it out, and you'll also come to the same conclusion that I got, which is that our P30 Pro's tof sensor is there for marketing purposes, and that it adds nothing to the table.
This doesn't affect the way I'll use my phone, as I am loving it, but it will definitely change the way I look at a company that is trying to deceive it's costumers.
For those who are interested in buying this device, send me your questions, and I will do my best to answer them.
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Can you do the same test in darker conditions? One of the ToFs tricks is that it works in any light. If it's working at all you'll Se a pretty big difference when the camera tries to focus.
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Can you do the same test in darker conditions? One of the ToFs tricks is that it works in any light. If it's working at all you'll Se a pretty big difference when the camera tries to focus.
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Tested it out in all conditions, and I saw zero difference.
mathrania said:
I am a no youtuber, not an apple, Samsung or huwaei fan... I have S10 plus and P30 pro. The camera on p30 pro is just a hype created by people who got free Paris trip. Trust me, i did side by side comparisons on both phones in order to decide which one to keep. Well, p30 pro is better than S10+ only during night time pictures. I don't say it is bad during daytime, but i would not call it as a camera phone as others are reviewing it as. Zoom is good till 5x. It does loose image quality on 10x slightly.
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I pre-ordered the S10+ the moment it was announced, I got one for myself and one for my wife, and I was so disappointed by it's camera. It's a good shooter during the day, but it overexposes pictures and aren't as sharp as it's competition. Low light pictures were horrible, with terrible white balance, lots of noise, and soft details. The only thing that is saving the camera on the S10+ is the video recording, as it's second to none. As for images, my Note 9 was giving much more consistent images.
The P30 Pro on the other hand wipes the floor with the S10, doesn't matter which scenario you take a picture in, 9/10 times I am taking the P30 over the S10. I already compared both my P30 Pro with my wife's S10+(I already sold mine), and apart from video recording, the P30 Pro almost always comes on top.
As for the zoom, there is a trick to get extremely sharp images even when using 10x zoom, and that is done by using the night mode while zooming in. During daylight conditions, the benefits added when using night mode while zooming isn't that much, but at night or indoors is where you see the difference.
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I pre-ordered the S10+ the moment it was announced, I got one for myself and one for my wife, and I was so disappointed by it's camera. It's a good shooter during the day, but it overexposes pictures and aren't as sharp as it's competition. Low light pictures were horrible, with terrible white balance, lots of noise, and soft details. The only thing that is saving the camera on the S10+ is the video recording, as it's second to none. As for images, my Note 9 was giving much more consistent images.
The P30 Pro on the other hand wipes the floor with the S10, doesn't matter which scenario you take a picture in, 9/10 times I am taking the P30 over the S10. I already compared both my P30 Pro with my wife's S10+(I already sold mine), and apart from video recording, the P30 Pro almost always comes on top.
As for the zoom, there is a trick to get extremely sharp images even when using 10x zoom, and that is done by using the night mode while zooming in. During daylight conditions, the benefits added when using night mode while zooming isn't that much, but at night or indoors is where you see the difference.
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How would you compare the 1080p display with S10+. I feel i see pixels on p30 pro on Black text on white backgrounds during more brighter situations.
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How would you compare the 1080p display with S10+. I feel i see pixels on p30 pro on Black text on white backgrounds during more brighter situations.
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I already commented about that under the display real life reviews. It definitely lacks sharpness, and it feels like it's an old gen OLED panel. No matter how much you tune the display colors in the settings menu, the screen will still give you different color temperature depending on brightness. I feel like the dimmer it gets, the less sharper and more bluish it looks.
I knew that by jumping to the P30 Pro I would be losing a lot, but I took that risk because I wanted the better camera to take pictures of my kids. Do I miss the S10+? Absolutely. But, do I regret my decision to ditch it for the P30 Pro? Not one bit.
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I already commented about that under the display real life reviews. It definitely lacks sharpness, and it feels like it's an old gen OLED panel. No matter how much you tune the display colors in the settings menu, the screen will still give you different color temperature depending on brightness. I feel like the dimmer it gets, the less sharper and more bluish it looks.
I knew that by jumping to the P30 Pro I would be losing a lot, but I took that risk because I wanted the better camera to take pictures of my kids. Do I miss the S10+? Absolutely. But, do I regret my decision to ditch it for the P30 Pro? Not one bit.
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Good to hear. I did the same thing. Waiting for my P30 Pro to arrive and still using the S10+ - which I'm keeping either way. I use the S10 in FHD+ and not WQHD+ so I'm not driving for top specs anyway. I understand the P30 Pro will not be the "best" screen so I'm not coming in with big expectations. As long as it's in the ballpark with my OnePlus 6T I will be more than happy. Not really a fair comparison to try and put it against the Samsung display to be honest.
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Good to hear. I did the same thing. Waiting for my P30 Pro to arrive and still using the S10+ - which I'm keeping either way. I use the S10 in FHD+ and not WQHD+ so I'm not driving for top specs anyway. I understand the P30 Pro will not be the "best" screen so I'm not coming in with big expectations. As long as it's in the ballpark with my OnePlus 6T I will be more than happy. Not really a fair comparison to try and put it against the Samsung display to be honest.
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Even in 1080 mode, the S10's screen looks crisper than that of the P30 P30. But as I said, these are trades off that I am willing to take simply because of it's camera.
Lets not forget the Samsung S10 panels are THE best on the market - no one can match them - so anything else will be a step down...
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Lets not forget the Samsung S10 panels are THE best on the market - no one can match them - so anything else will be a step down...
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Yea, if like to see how the P30 Pro compares to my OnePlus 6T. I don't think the Samsung panel is a fair comparison.
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Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Photo quality is one of the worst I've seen on a smartphone. I'm way too disappointed, honestly pixel 2 camera beats the crap out of note 10 plus camera. Is it too much to ask for a good bokeh photo? I mean everyone is doing it great WITHOUT the TOF sensor. Does it even work on the phone? I felt like crying when I took my first image on the phone. One would expect the live focus would be matured by now but cheap Chinese phones give you better live focus effects. The wide angle is completely unusable, distorted (after enabling the correction) and grainy. The photo quality is garbage during all lighting conditions except daylight and outdoors. How did Samsung have the audacity to market it as a content creators phone?
I don’t have any of the problems that you mentioned. After your first photo, instead of crying you should have returned it immediately.
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Photo quality is one of the worst I've seen on a smartphone. I'm way too disappointed, honestly pixel 2 camera beats the crap out of note 10 plus camera. Is it too much to ask for a good bokeh photo? I mean everyone is doing it great WITHOUT the TOF sensor. Does it even work on the phone? I felt like crying when I took my first image on the phone. One would expect the live focus would be matured by now but cheap Chinese phones give you better live focus effects. The wide angle is completely unusable, distorted (after enabling the correction) and grainy. The photo quality is garbage during all lighting conditions except daylight and outdoors. How did Samsung have the audacity to market it as a content creators phone?
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I absolutely agree. My s10+ that I traded was a beast at night photos. Now my Note 10+ looks like pictures were taken from a laptop cam. So grainy and blurry at night or even during the day unless it's outside in a very nicely light place. Someone was saying some cases might cause this issue but I tried it without a case and no difference. Clearing cache and storage with rebooting does not help either. Mine is unlocked and the pictures were bad when i was on the U1 firmware and now I am t-mobile firmware and no difference. I am thinking about calling Samsung and asking for replacement. It seems this issue has been happening ever since the s8. A lot of complaints with the Note 9 too.
I feel regret for trading in my perfect s10+
I'm really not sure whether it's a faulty device or just very poor camera quality, but although sharp, my photos in ideal conditions come out lifeless and washed out enough that multiple people commented on it...And that's coming from OP6T, so not exactly huge expectations...I came here to see if it's the same for everyone, or if it's something to return the device for or if there's a software fix...
ok either i have another device and got scammed with note 10 +sticker on the box or something really wrong with your devices guys !!!
the photo and video quality is superb on this phone. the only area were my previous p30 pro shines over it is the night time and still very decent performer !
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I don’t have any of the problems that you mentioned. After your first photo, instead of crying you should have returned it immediately.
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Not a faulty hardware and had pre booked so cannot return. It's pure garbage that's all.
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I'm really not sure whether it's a faulty device or just very poor camera quality, but although sharp, my photos in ideal conditions come out lifeless and washed out enough that multiple people commented on it...And that's coming from OP6T, so not exactly huge expectations...I came here to see if it's the same for everyone, or if it's something to return the device for or if there's a software fix...
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Just the way it is. All the vloggers either have been bought off or they know jack**** about vlogging camera quality. They don't even know what they're doing half the time and the other half they just copy from each other. It could easily be fixed by good software.
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Not a faulty hardware and had pre booked so cannot return. It's pure garbage that's all.
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Just the way it is. All the vloggers either have been bought off or they know jack**** about vlogging camera quality. They don't even know what they're doing half the time and the other half they just copy from each other. It could easily be fixed by good software.
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Operator's technical problem
Not even a sample photo,Mouth complaining
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Operator's technical problem
Not even a sample photo,Mouth complaining
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Would love to, but XDA app says bad request when I try to attach an image.
I really do not know what device are the both complainers talking about, the camera is excelent, chinese cheap phones are by no means better than note's camera, so, only god knows what are you holding in your hands, or how you are using it
Takes great photos to me.
Most seem to havd hdr on. So moving shortly after taking a photo gives a blured photo. But other then that.
Great photos
Coming from a Pixel 3 XL (and previously a 2 XL), the overall image quality is a noticeable step down for me (Note10+ photos seem granier, blurrier, smudgier, etc.), but the versatility of the Note10+'s cameras are unmatched. The versatility alone is enough for me to sacrifice some image quality.
Video is a no contest. The Note10+ video capabilities puts the 3 XL to shame. However, Live Focus Video is atrocious and needs a lot of improvement.
Live Focus for portrait photos is mediocre at best. It softens way too much at the higher blur levels, to the point where the subject and background turn out smudgy and seem to 'melt' into one. Granted, I have taken a handful of good Live Focus photos, but the 3 XL's Portrait Mode is hands-down superior imho.
I have also noticed the shutter speed to be slightly slower on the Note10+ compared to the 3 XL, as I seem to capture more blurry shots of my 3yo son with the Note10+.
Quick question for everyone. Do you guys have HDR always enabled? I do, so I'm wondering if this is contributing to the slower shutter speed/lag.
Some of you guys must have clones because the camera on my Note 10 plus is superb! Plenty of comparison videos on youtube also where it gets praise! I cant say i see a big difference between this and the s10+ but theres no way in hell that its worse! You guys either got scammed or your devices are faulty!
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Some of you guys must have clones because the camera on my Note 10 plus is superb! Plenty of comparison videos on youtube also where it gets praise! I cant say i see a big difference between this and the s10+ but theres no way in hell that its worse! You guys either got scammed or your devices are faulty!
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I agree completely
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Some of you guys must have clones because the camera on my Note 10 plus is superb! Plenty of comparison videos on youtube also where it gets praise! I cant say i see a big difference between this and the s10+ but theres no way in hell that its worse! You guys either got scammed or your devices are faulty!
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Exactly so
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Blaalad12 said:
Some of you guys must have clones because the camera on my Note 10 plus is superb! Plenty of comparison videos on youtube also where it gets praise! I cant say i see a big difference between this and the s10+ but theres no way in hell that its worse! You guys either got scammed or your devices are faulty!
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Agree... I keep doing more and more tests and honestly i am even impressed by photos in the dark with the normal (wide angle) lens..
However there is some stuff not working well, like portrait mode in the dark, too grainy, probably due to the apperture. Need to use wide angle lens for dark situations.
I find it amazing to read complaints but none posts examples about it with the settings used.
Perhaps it has something to do with Qualcomm's processing vs Exynos? It seems Exynos Note 10 people are happy with quality and at least one of the two people in this thread with image quality issue is using Snapdragon Note 10 plus
Mine, too me at least seems good. I have snapdragon version, and maybe it's just me coming from my note 8? Hopefully these come through clear... The night shot was just on regular mode
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The note 8 camera is indeed really good, this note10+ is just plain excellent, that's it