Android update path for phone once supplied by a Carrier - Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi all,
What is the mechanism that Android uses to update phones?
In case it is Manufacturer specific, both my phones are Sony.
However my new M5 does not yet have a custom recovery so it is not as easy as my previous phone to just load a fully built OS.
My undertstanding of the general path is:
1) Android release an update
2) Manu customises that
3) Network operator customises that again and maybe adds bloatware
If you CHANGE networks, does that break your update path, or do you continue to get updates, but from the original network who provided you the locked phone, which is now unlocked?

Any thoughts on this?
If my question is not clear happy to re-phrase any confusing parts.

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[Q] Registry Hack?

Hello... noob question ....i was wondering if there exists the potential for a registry hack as does with some other phone models to get the latest updates?
Fans of Nokia made two products that work in conjunction:
1. "navifirm" that lists "ALL" nokia phones, their existing "product codes" and downloads the available "firmware data packages"
2. and Nemesis ... to change the phone's product code accordingly
Potential for this functionality? No matter where an individual resides around the world, as long as they connect to SEUS or Sony Ericsson PC Companion with the "changed" product/region codes - updates can be gotten
3. Finally - is this related to hacking the bootloader in any way?
i believe your so-called registry hack is termed "rooting".
and if you want the latest updates, a simple search would have sufficed, and would probably bring you to this
So registry hacking is rooting? okay .... so if i root my phone and change ..... See!!!!!!....... there is no way to get PC companion to think I need updates... instead i have to down load ROM's, then flash then etc
What happen when Europe receives 2.1 before Canada for example.... do they have to wait "x amount" of weeks before seeing updates...?
What determines if a device is listed as in need of an update....I live in the Caribbean with no official Sony Ericsson Outlets and thus no region codes ... if such exists... how am I to get updates.... I am still on 20 yet 26 exists ...
kiki_tt said:
So registry hacking is rooting? okay .... so if i root my phone and change ..... See!!!!!!....... there is no way to get PC companion to think I need updates... instead i have to down load ROM's, then flash then etc
What happen when Europe receives 2.1 before Canada for example.... do they have to wait "x amount" of weeks before seeing updates...?
What determines if a device is listed as in need of an update....I live in the Caribbean with no official Sony Ericsson Outlets and thus no region codes ... if such exists... how am I to get updates.... I am still on 20 yet 26 exists ...
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so flash it to the latest version! there are HEAPS of posts on how to do this. You are still on 20 because (assumedly) your carrier has only released up to this revision. Debrand and update as soon as the first one comes out (or up to 26 right now).
Well to answer the OP's question more directly, no, there's nothing that I know of that does what you described for Nokia on Android.
Flashing ROMs is the only way afaik
Thanks for the replies .....

Change ATT Moto E2 (2015) phone into Motorola version

Hi all. I'm a complete newb and don't even know the correct terminology to use. If I should not be posting this here maybe someone could point to the right place for me to post. Here is my issue/question: I have a Moto E (the second generation model, aka Moto E 2015) and it is the LTE version - the XT1527. I bought it used and it had originally been an ATT phone. I went to the ATT website and got from them a code to unlock the phone so I could use it with my provider (Ultramobile, an MVNO that uses T-Mobile's infrastructure). It's a pretty basic phone and pretty slow. I have removed all the ATT-branded apps I can but there is still plenty left. What I am wondering is: Could I somehow load what I think is called firmware so that the phone was like the versions actually sold by Motorola? I figure the less branded crap on it, the more space I will have for my own apps and perhaps it may even be a little faster. I have read quite a lot of posts on this forum and it seems to be quite hard to do because ATT phones do not have unlockable bootloaders (and I don't even know really what that is yet). But when I go into developer options on the phone there is an option called "OEM unlocking" that has, as a subtitle, "Allow the bootloader to be unlocked". It is currently switched off, but it does allow me to turn it on if I want to. It gives me some sort of warning about "Device protection features will not work while this setting is turned on" but that doesn't sound too scary (although I am of course totally ignorant and could be totally wrong about that). But does this mean that on this phone if I unlock the bootloader, I could load the original Motorola firmware/ROM once I learn how to do it?
Thanks for any help.
Dan
P.s. this would sort of be a learning experience. I have another phone I would use while I try to play with the Moto E.
I actually didn't see the part where you said ATT can't have the boot loader unlocked my bad, you can still check using the Motorola site I guess but yeah you can't change the ROM unless you can unlock the bootloader
So the first thing you should do is unlock your boot loader
Note: this will wipe all the data on your phone so back it up before hand
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-e-2015/general/guide-unlock-bootloader-moto-e-2015-t3045748
Then I would actually suggest that you change to Lineage OS instead. The Motorola stock ROMs are no longer being updated with security updates AFAIK and you are stuck on marshmallow (android 6). Lineage OS has all the security updates and is on nougat (android 7)
To do that first you would flash a custom recovery (TWRP)
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo.../twrp-squid-twrp-recovery-moto-e-lte-t3137649
Then you can find our official Lineage OS here https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...ment/rom-cyanogenmod-14-1-moto-e-lte-t3516694
Thanks but you have not addressed the main point of my post, which was whether my phone's bootlocker is or is not unlocked. Also, I am not interested in anything other than stock ROMs and I prefer Marshmallow (or better yet Lollipop). Definitely don't want Nougat.
I have this phone to, I have a question, this device exists possibly to unlock bootloader and put any custom rom? I can't find tread with this info

LG G Pad III 8.0 FHD (aka LG-V522) - Specific Questions

Hello all,
As a frequent user to the XDA Forums but a first-time poster, please allow me, from the onset, to express my gratitude for the litany of assistance this forum has offered. The resources here and pure talent have proven invaluable; from assisting me in actually taking a Nokia Windows Phone and installing Android, bypassing Google's FRP on an LG Tablet to mirroring a broken display and thus saving my S5 Neo. Please accept my humble thanks and heartfelt gratitude. Perhaps one day, I will be able to offer something back to this amazing community. Kindly bear with me as I need to ask you all for some expertise and guidance one again — I have some specific questions — as a segue into the first inquiry, pardon me if this is the wrong subforum.
Question the first. And you have my permission to all point and laugh at me for asking this one: Is this subforum dedicated to a device with a specific label of LG G Pad X 8.0 or is X expressive of a variable employing categorization of many devices? I know how to research, but I still can't find a direct answer or mere suggestion; deduction implies the latter. Specifically, I am enquiring about the LG G Pad III 8.0 FHD (the LG-V522). I do hope X was a prelude to "insert Roman numeral here" or now I just sound like a verbose moron with too much time on his hands.
Background & Specifics:
- Google FRP was bypassed and a clean, stock installation of Andriod 7.0 Nougat was employed.
- While this tablet was originally sold with Marshmellow 6.0.1, support for OTA updates extended to upgrading to Nougat which became accessible upon the successful factory reset after bypassing Google's FRP.
- This tablet is not rooted.
- According to LG and LG's Developer Blog, the V522 bootloader is not unlockable.
- This tablet does employ a SIM card slot and I've been using an active cellphone SIM (and of course, WiFi where available), but apparently the tablet is only utilizing the data component of the Rogers Share Everything plan and when I dial my own number from a third-party phone, it goes straight to voicemail. Yet sending texts to my number will pop up as a notification just like any other smartphone.
- Tablet is "Canadian" and SIM-locked to the Rogers / Fido network.
Tablet Details:
- Android Version is 7.0 Nougat employing a security patch level dated December 1, 2016. Baseband version is MPSS.TA.1.0.c3.3-00015-8952_GEN_PACK-1.79167.2 and it's running a kernel v3.10.84-g22068de [email protected]@ ) #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Dec 19 14:48:23 KST 2016. Its build number is NRD90U and it runs a software version V52220a. Firmware version is 7.0.
- Factory Version is specified as LGV522AT-01-V20a-302-720-DEC-19-2016-ARB00 with SW Original Version being specified as LGV522AT-00-V20a-RGS-CA-DEC-19-2016-ARB00.
- Apparently, this product is also categorized as "b3_rgs_ca". I have seen this label, almost to the point of a recurring motif, through my research, as simply referred to "B3".
- The LG "hidden menu" is accessible by dialling *#546368#*522# via the Google Hangouts "Contacts" app.
- "Download Mode" is accessible through ADB commands and respective key-combinations and I have been able to reload or "flash" V52220a more than I'd care to admit.
Questions:
- Since the bootloader is apparently "unlockable" by official standards, does this explain why even through ADB I cannot get the tablet to boot into the bootloader partition? I'm familiar with ADB, Fastboot and the Command Prompt and all respective drivers on my Windows 10 desktop are the most current and configured correctly and the step of enabling USB debugging, OEM unlock, et al has already been covered (unless you've got a completely random idea of some random setting I may have overlooked). Invoking the command "adb reboot recovery" triggers an entry into the stock recovery mode, but selecting from the menu "reboot into bootloader" merely restarts the device; as does invoking "adb reboot bootloader" from the command prompt.
- If "download mode" is supposed to be synonymous with fastboot or bootloader mode, why does the tablet not acknowledge any fastboot commands?
- Can or would anyone be kind enough to explain why there is such a diverse categorization of this tablet and what the specific nuances imply (i.e. model B3 vs. LG-V522 vs. LG G Pad X)? What is the meaning of V20a contained within the descriptors/identifier of SW Original or Factory version?
- Is it possible through an entirely unofficial method to root the tablet without unlocking the bootloader (some users have reported yes, but never when utilizing the "Canadian" version)?
- Employing "dirtycow" is no longer an option as the security patch installed precludes this possibility (unless there have been updates to the process of using a muddy heifer that I haven't found yet).
- If rooting is not possible at the moment (even through unofficial methods), is it still possible to establish and employ an "emulator" on the Stock OS to "trick" the tablet into thinking it has a built-in cellular modem? I've found several references that suggest this tablet does have a cellular modem because of the SIM card, but when I try and look at the tablet's hardware on the actual device, telephony information is lacking.
Trying to unlock or hack the bootloader or even just rooting this tablet seems more like a beautiful woman slapping you for simply asking if it'd be okay to buy her a drink — yes, you want her to give you full root access — but hey, you're being a gentleman and trying to wine and dine her first (I know I'm a nerd and it has been awhile, but I digress).
- Carvio
FRP reset on the LG-V522
Hi Carvio,
I haven't been able to perform an FRP reset on my LG Gpad3 LG-V522. I didn't want to use the device on the cellular network just as a tablet at home.
I ended up buying the Octoplus FRP reset dongle but it turns out to not have the correct model in the setup.
How did you manage to bypass the FRP rest or rest it on this tablet?
I think Chimera may have a tool to do the reset but that means another $100 to unlock the tablet...
Thanks in advance,
REDRONAN.
carvio said:
Hello all,
As a frequent user to the XDA Forums but a first-time poster, please allow me, from the onset, to express my gratitude for the litany of assistance this forum has offered. The resources here and pure talent have proven invaluable; from assisting me in actually taking a Nokia Windows Phone and installing Android, bypassing Google's FRP on an LG Tablet to mirroring a broken display and thus saving my S5 Neo. Please accept my humble thanks and heartfelt gratitude. Perhaps one day, I will be able to offer something back to this amazing community. Kindly bear with me as I need to ask you all for some expertise and guidance one again — I have some specific questions — as a segue into the first inquiry, pardon me if this is the wrong subforum.
Question the first. And you have my permission to all point and laugh at me for asking this one: Is this subforum dedicated to a device with a specific label of LG G Pad X 8.0 or is X expressive of a variable employing categorization of many devices? I know how to research, but I still can't find a direct answer or mere suggestion; deduction implies the latter. Specifically, I am enquiring about the LG G Pad III 8.0 FHD (the LG-V522). I do hope X was a prelude to "insert Roman numeral here" or now I just sound like a verbose moron with too much time on his hands.
Background & Specifics:
- Google FRP was bypassed and a clean, stock installation of Andriod 7.0 Nougat was employed.
- While this tablet was originally sold with Marshmellow 6.0.1, support for OTA updates extended to upgrading to Nougat which became accessible upon the successful factory reset after bypassing Google's FRP.
- This tablet is not rooted.
- According to LG and LG's Developer Blog, the V522 bootloader is not unlockable.
- This tablet does employ a SIM card slot and I've been using an active cellphone SIM (and of course, WiFi where available), but apparently the tablet is only utilizing the data component of the Rogers Share Everything plan and when I dial my own number from a third-party phone, it goes straight to voicemail. Yet sending texts to my number will pop up as a notification just like any other smartphone.
- Tablet is "Canadian" and SIM-locked to the Rogers / Fido network.
Tablet Details:
- Android Version is 7.0 Nougat employing a security patch level dated December 1, 2016. Baseband version is MPSS.TA.1.0.c3.3-00015-8952_GEN_PACK-1.79167.2 and it's running a kernel v3.10.84-g22068de [email protected]@ ) #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Dec 19 14:48:23 KST 2016. Its build number is NRD90U and it runs a software version V52220a. Firmware version is 7.0.
- Factory Version is specified as LGV522AT-01-V20a-302-720-DEC-19-2016-ARB00 with SW Original Version being specified as LGV522AT-00-V20a-RGS-CA-DEC-19-2016-ARB00.
- Apparently, this product is also categorized as "b3_rgs_ca". I have seen this label, almost to the point of a recurring motif, through my research, as simply referred to "B3".
- The LG "hidden menu" is accessible by dialling *#546368#*522# via the Google Hangouts "Contacts" app.
- "Download Mode" is accessible through ADB commands and respective key-combinations and I have been able to reload or "flash" V52220a more than I'd care to admit.
Questions:
- Since the bootloader is apparently "unlockable" by official standards, does this explain why even through ADB I cannot get the tablet to boot into the bootloader partition? I'm familiar with ADB, Fastboot and the Command Prompt and all respective drivers on my Windows 10 desktop are the most current and configured correctly and the step of enabling USB debugging, OEM unlock, et al has already been covered (unless you've got a completely random idea of some random setting I may have overlooked). Invoking the command "adb reboot recovery" triggers an entry into the stock recovery mode, but selecting from the menu "reboot into bootloader" merely restarts the device; as does invoking "adb reboot bootloader" from the command prompt.
- If "download mode" is supposed to be synonymous with fastboot or bootloader mode, why does the tablet not acknowledge any fastboot commands?
- Can or would anyone be kind enough to explain why there is such a diverse categorization of this tablet and what the specific nuances imply (i.e. model B3 vs. LG-V522 vs. LG G Pad X)? What is the meaning of V20a contained within the descriptors/identifier of SW Original or Factory version?
- Is it possible through an entirely unofficial method to root the tablet without unlocking the bootloader (some users have reported yes, but never when utilizing the "Canadian" version)?
- Employing "dirtycow" is no longer an option as the security patch installed precludes this possibility (unless there have been updates to the process of using a muddy heifer that I haven't found yet).
- If rooting is not possible at the moment (even through unofficial methods), is it still possible to establish and employ an "emulator" on the Stock OS to "trick" the tablet into thinking it has a built-in cellular modem? I've found several references that suggest this tablet does have a cellular modem because of the SIM card, but when I try and look at the tablet's hardware on the actual device, telephony information is lacking.
Trying to unlock or hack the bootloader or even just rooting this tablet seems more like a beautiful woman slapping you for simply asking if it'd be okay to buy her a drink — yes, you want her to give you full root access — but hey, you're being a gentleman and trying to wine and dine her first (I know I'm a nerd and it has been awhile, but I digress).
- Carvio
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REDRONAN said:
Hi Carvio,
I haven't been able to perform an FRP reset on my LG Gpad3 LG-V522. I didn't want to use the device on the cellular network just as a tablet at home.
I ended up buying the Octoplus FRP reset dongle but it turns out to not have the correct model in the setup.
How did you manage to bypass the FRP rest or rest it on this tablet?
I think Chimera may have a tool to do the reset but that means another $100 to unlock the tablet...
Thanks in advance,
REDRONAN.
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i tried to frp myself and i got it in qualcomm 9008 mode. can you make a backup of your device?

No Hardware Reductions?

Hi all,
So I'm considering buying this device. But I do have a question about it.
Hopefully this isn't a stupid question. But does unlocking the bootloader on this device, thus permanently removing the DM partition (Unless you back it up), disable some functionality that would otherwise be provided with the stock firmware? Like image rendering... etc
I only ask because a long while ago I read an article stating that Sony are relaxing their stance, making their devices more open to custom firmware being installed on their devices. I checked the Sony Mobile website, on the "Current platform functionality" page (Where it details the quality reductions in hardware by choosing custom firmware over stock, in the list of devices) and this device isn't on it.
So, is this device not restricted in terms of hardware by Sony through choosing the install custom firmware?

General OK ... PSA: Stay away from T-Mobile variant of 10T 5g - Details

This is just a PSA for anyone currently with T-Mobile, looking to upgrade or purchase from the carrier.
The T-Mobile exclusive model of the 10T 5G is CPH-2419 ... This is a T-Mobile model ONLY. It can be SIM unlocked through regular methods, ie. paying the full contract off, but that is ALL!
There is absolutely NO WAY to unlock the bootloader of this model, because FASTBOOT is completely disabled, and unable to be re-enabled through any method which is currently available!
This is a software level block, which is specific to this model number.
AFAIK the chipset, board, and all internals are the exact same in respect to the 2413 (india) , 2415 (global) , and 2417 (EU) variants , so there is a SLIM possibility that if you stay BELOW the current A.11 build, you MIGHT be able to force a sideways shift to one of the other regions listed above via the Local Update, and Oxygen Updater combination, but i cannot confirm this due to my accidental mistake of not blocking updates! Mine is now on A.11 which is not available in any other region as of yet on the Oxygen Updater.
I really dont know whether changing regions will actually bring back FASTBOOT or not, except that when attempting to reach FASTBOOT via ADB or other methods, there is a brief, 1 second delay that does indeed make the "Fastboot Mode" screen appear, right before it automatically kicks out and reboots into normal mode. But even then with FASTBOOT running on my pc, and <waiting for devices>, it does not make the connection during the sequence. So this may just be remnants of the bootloader screen!
Also FASTBOOTD does work, and you can send commands regularly via command line, or Fastboot Enhance in that mode, but unlocking, and oem commands either fail or report unrecognized.
ANYONE proficient with probing ADB, Fastbootd, or EDL modes would be highly appreciated, in investigating any possibilities to exploit this restriction, because as with ALL android OS devices, I am almost 100% sure there is a way to mitigate this block, and flash a STOCK payload from one of the other variants. But EVERY cph2419 no matter what build, is shipped with FASTBOOT disabled at the factory level. It is an OPPO block, and has nothing to do with T-mobile other than the fact that they are the ONLY carrier listed in this model's designation.
I had a feeling that this was coming. First it starts with T-Mobile variants and then it starts trickling out to everything else. Keep in mind that Oppo disables fastboot on their devices too. The MSM Tool being locked down behind a technician login was the first hint of what's to come.
EtherealRemnant said:
I had a feeling that this was coming. First it starts with T-Mobile variants and then it starts trickling out to everything else. Keep in mind that Oppo disables fastboot on their devices too. The MSM Tool being locked down behind a technician login was the first hint of what's to come.
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Yup man... see i never read much into the OPPO acquisition of OnePlus, or i would have researched affected devices further. But in all honesty i wouldn't have suspected that a phone such as the 10 series, which is reportedly going to be on all the major carriers in the next 3-4 months, would take such a drastic step BACKWARDS like this! One plus has ALWAYS been known as "Developer Friendly", and rivaled the Google Pixel series in ease of unlocking bootloader, and rooting! But even stranger is how for so long back in the early days of android, devices were model specific to each carrier, (samsung s2, 3, 4... Moto Z... etc.) then the manufacturers wised up and went to universal hardware that was only sim locked, and could be bought outright unlocked. THEN COMES THIS LEFT TURN, in OnePlus taking a flagship device, and going back to Carrier specific models!
Finally the MOST SHOCKING notion comes with the realization that (for a fee) you can get your Samsung devices bootloader unlocked, (s10 and newer, possibly others thru same service) but this OPPO/Oneplus trainwreck looks to be the possible path coming for even more models like you said!
I just dont understand the war on unlockable bootloaders?! Especially Oneplus... they had the PERFECT system in place. (US models) You had to PHYSICALLY submit a Bootloader Unlock request... Acknowledge that you are aware that you are giving up warranty... wait a week (buyers remorse)... Then if still committed, you have to flash the unlock token. Why go all DICTATOR on us and start moving the devices STILL BRANDED with OnePlus, to a locked down format? Maybe 3 in 10 customers unlock & mod their phones! It takes MORE effort to disable functions and remove them, while at the same time alienating those 3 in 10 thus ensuring LESS SALES!! I fail to understand the logic. I just pray someone always keeps probing these A-hole companies products, for vulnerabilities and exploits that circumvent all their overbearing attempts to control what we can do with OUR devices!
<rant... sorry, this crap just makes my blood boil. cuz i DID demo the 10T at a T-mobile store and they had CPH-2417 models as demo, which were fine. Come to find out that they always planned on only SHIPPING or SELLING these 2419 models to the public!>
beatbreakee said:
Yup man... see i never read much into the OPPO acquisition of OnePlus, or i would have researched affected devices further. But in all honesty i wouldn't have suspected that a phone such as the 10 series, which is reportedly going to be on all the major carriers in the next 3-4 months, would take such a drastic step BACKWARDS like this! One plus has ALWAYS been known as "Developer Friendly", and rivaled the Google Pixel series in ease of unlocking bootloader, and rooting! But even stranger is how for so long back in the early days of android, devices were model specific to each carrier, (samsung s2, 3, 4... Moto Z... etc.) then the manufacturers wised up and went to universal hardware that was only sim locked, and could be bought outright unlocked. THEN COMES THIS LEFT TURN, in OnePlus taking a flagship device, and going back to Carrier specific models!
Finally the MOST SHOCKING notion comes with the realization that (for a fee) you can get your Samsung devices bootloader unlocked, (s10 and newer, possibly others thru same service) but this OPPO/Oneplus trainwreck looks to be the possible path coming for even more models like you said!
I just dont understand the war on unlockable bootloaders?! Especially Oneplus... they had the PERFECT system in place. (US models) You had to PHYSICALLY submit a Bootloader Unlock request... Acknowledge that you are aware that you are giving up warranty... wait a week (buyers remorse)... Then if still committed, you have to flash the unlock token. Why go all DICTATOR on us and start moving the devices STILL BRANDED with OnePlus, to a locked down format? Maybe 3 in 10 customers unlock & mod their phones! It takes MORE effort to disable functions and remove them, while at the same time alienating those 3 in 10 thus ensuring LESS SALES!! I fail to understand the logic. I just pray someone always keeps probing these A-hole companies products, for vulnerabilities and exploits that circumvent all their overbearing attempts to control what we can do with OUR devices!
<rant... sorry, this crap just makes my blood boil. cuz i DID demo the 10T at a T-mobile store and they had CPH-2417 models as demo, which were fine. Come to find out that they always planned on only SHIPPING or SELLING these 2419 models to the public!>
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I saw the writing on the wall after following the 10 Pro forum once I got my OnePlus 9 so I jumped ship to the Pixel 7 Pro. It's not a perfect device but man it's so much smoother than my 9 ever was. The only real complaint I have is the battery takes too long to charge and the fingerprint sensor is more finicky than the one on my OP9 but it's so nice not having lag everywhere and buggy software plus they're easy to root and keep rooted with the PixelFlasher tool.
As for the lockdown, it's probably T-Mobile that wanted it. People always bought the T-Mobile variants because they sell cheaper than the other ones and then they would convert them to global/EU firmware. What we really need is an end to carriers dictating what a phone manufacturer can and can't do with their product but Apple was the only one who ever successfully strong-armed a carrier (all of them basically in the end since they still don't allow bloatware on the phones). That said, Oppo probably doesn't have any complaints about being forced to disable this as it results in less technical support calls for them when people can't muck their devices up anymore. There were a ton of people bricking their OP9 and OP9P devices and those are just the ones that found their way to XDA to try to get help. I bet that a good chunk of their warranty repairs are from people modding their phones. In fact my OP9 almost became one of them until I got stubborn and sat down and figured out how to mod the MSM Tool myself.
Yeah, this is a bummer. Thanks for sharing! I almost never buy through a carrier anymore. My last oneplus was the 8T and it was a t-mobile variant, it was quite the mess to have to get it unlocked due to the person I bought it from not paying their bill...I got it all sorted out....my bad not double checking, but I got it for a sweet deal.
If Samsungs are easier to unlock the bootloader for their new phones, that changes my buying decisions.
I wonder if you could do the local update to the EU or India beta, then do the rollback to android 12 from a different region, India or EU. Does the local update across regions even work if your bootloader is locked?
maamdroid said:
Yeah, this is a bummer. Thanks for sharing! I almost never buy through a carrier anymore. My last oneplus was the 8T and it was a t-mobile variant, it was quite the mess to have to get it unlocked due to the person I bought it from not paying their bill...I got it all sorted out....my bad not double checking, but I got it for a sweet deal.
If Samsungs are easier to unlock the bootloader for their new phones, that changes my buying decisions.
I wonder if you could do the local update to the EU or India beta, then do the rollback to android 12 from a different region, India or EU. Does the local update across regions even work if your bootloader is locked?
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ok, that i cannot confirm. YET... I screwed up and forgot to disable Auto Updates in the developer menu, and 1 reboot later, put me on the A.11 build for the OS. All the current OTA, and BETA in the Oxygen Updater, are A.10, and ive tried using the local update apk, but it fails stating something along the lines of, "The version you are trying to flash, is older than the current on im on, so to prevent boot problems, we wont allow you to continue"... I know those werent the actual words, but im sure you know what im talking about. So until the India, EU, or NA builds move up to A.11, I am in limbo! ... I have 3 days to request a RMA from Tmobile, if im gonna return it, and if i cannot circumvent this crap then i definitely aint about to get stuck with it for 2 years! Even if its only costing me $13 a month. I just cant accept a device that has actively removed THE VERY THING that i bought a OnePlus to do!
I am HOPING, i get lucky and an update drops, but my luck says it wont.
But to answer your question, YES... I would believe that you can do the Local update and shift sideways to Global or another region. MY plan was to try moving to ANY other region period, which will forcefully change the model number of the device as well... THEN use that regions Rollback Package, cuz it wipes everything and does a complete downgrade to reinstall. My logic is that IF i can update to say the India, or EU Android 13 Beta with the A.11 kernel, then the partitions are gonna change right? so in theory IT SHOULD flash all the CPH2413 or 2415 partitions, and files respectively. Now im sure that alone wont bring back FB because updates dont usually wipe all data! .... BUUUUUT .... once on that Model, then using the Rollback package WILL fully wipe the data and system so that it can format and place the partitions correctly for Android 12! And THAT is where i think my best opportunity to regain Fastboot will come from! Cuz my phone will be formatted as an Unlockable model number, and the rollback packages are supposed to be a Full Stock Rom, so naturally all the partitions and stock components would be installed as well, & the phone wont KNOW it was a 2419 so whatever was done (if only at software level) to disable FB wont be scripted to disable it on the new region.
Again this is only theory, but it sounds logical... unless someone familiar with OPPO can confirm that they use some hardware method of removing fastboot. But so far i have found a couple older OPPO discussions that at least cited exploits that were found in their respectively Locked devices, which they all had leveraged to get FULL ROOT, and subsequently flash different portions of other builds to their device. Personally, If I can have a full Magisk root, I am 100% content with JUST THAT! I lived with MANY a Samsung that had locked bootloaders, but had Root, and i can make that sacrifice!
Hopefully an update drops in time so i can try!
You would need to try the downgrade package.
https://oxygenos.oneplus.net/4248_sign_CPH2415_11_A_OTA_0080_all_44864f_10100111.zip
I would be surprised if it works but it is worth a shot with the APK.
That's the global/US package.
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ok, that i cannot confirm. YET... I screwed up and forgot to disable Auto Updates in the developer menu, and 1 reboot later, put me on the A.11 build for the OS. All the current OTA, and BETA in the Oxygen Updater, are A.10, and ive tried using the local update apk, but it fails stating something along the lines of, "The version you are trying to flash, is older than the current on im on, so to prevent boot problems, we wont allow you to continue"... I know those werent the actual words, but im sure you know what im talking about. So until the India, EU, or NA builds move up to A.11, I am in limbo! ... I have 3 days to request a RMA from Tmobile, if im gonna return it, and if i cannot circumvent
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Yeah, give the beta a try and then rollback.
@beatbreakee Looks like India .12 full update is available in oxygen updater! Hopefully this works for yah.
EtherealRemnant said:
You would need to try the downgrade package.
https://oxygenos.oneplus.net/4248_sign_CPH2415_11_A_OTA_0080_all_44864f_10100111.zip
I would be surprised if it works but it is worth a shot with the APK.
That's the global/US package.
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Global and US versions are different. That zip is for EU/Global, not US/NA, it says so right in the file name.
CPH2415 is EU/Global
CPH2417 is US/North America
That being said there is actually a member on the forums here that was able to flash that CPH2415 zip on a CPH2417 (US) phone without issue apparently. Flash at your own risk.
Edit:
This information I posted is not completely correct. Check the post after this one for more information regarding the versions.
Jager said:
Global and US versions are different. That zip is for EU/Global, not US/NA, it says so right in the file name.
CPH2415 is EU/Global
CPH2417 is US/North America
That being said there is actually a member on the forums here that was able to flash that CPH2415 zip on a CPH2417 (US) phone without issue apparently. Flash at your own risk.
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OnePlus is ridiculous. Why the heck did they feel the need to change this? On the 9 series and 10 Pro, xxx0 was China, xxx1 was India, xxx3 was EU, xxx5 was global (which was US), xxx7 was T-Mobile.
Anyway, EU firmware has always worked fine on global variants, no doubt it's the same situation here.
Was about to post this and went to look but ummm... Actually, OnePlus themselves have listed it like this.
Want to go back to Android 12? Download the Rollback package from the links below:
OnePlus 10T (IN)
OnePlus 10T (EU)
OnePlus 10T (GLO)
OnePlus Community
Introducing our new OnePlus Community experience, with a completely revamped structure, built from the ground-up.
community.oneplus.com
GLO file name is 2415 as well. The one I linked was the same one llinked here, the difference on the EU one is the beginning and end of the file name are different.
EU - https://oxygenos.oneplus.net/4189_sign_CPH2415_11_A_OTA_0080_all_44864f_01000100.zip
GLO - https://oxygenos.oneplus.net/4248_sign_CPH2415_11_A_OTA_0080_all_44864f_10100111.zip
Looks like they're basically the same firmware.
EtherealRemnant said:
OnePlus is ridiculous. Why the heck did they feel the need to change this? On the 9 series and 10 Pro, xxx0 was China, xxx1 was India, xxx3 was EU, xxx5 was global (which was US), xxx7 was T-Mobile.
Anyway, EU firmware has always worked fine on global variants, no doubt it's the same situation here.
Was about to post this and went to look but ummm... Actually, OnePlus themselves have listed it like this.
Want to go back to Android 12? Download the Rollback package from the links below:
OnePlus 10T (IN)
OnePlus 10T (EU)
OnePlus 10T (GLO)
OnePlus Community
Introducing our new OnePlus Community experience, with a completely revamped structure, built from the ground-up.
community.oneplus.com
GLO file name is 2415 as well. The one I linked was the same one llinked here, the difference on the EU one is the beginning and end of the file name are different.
EU - https://oxygenos.oneplus.net/4189_sign_CPH2415_11_A_OTA_0080_all_44864f_01000100.zip
GLO - https://oxygenos.oneplus.net/4248_sign_CPH2415_11_A_OTA_0080_all_44864f_10100111.zip
Looks like they're basically the same firmware.
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That's a lot more information than I had. Thank you for sharing! It's been confusing since I got the phone at the start of September coming from the 6T and 5T previously.
Thank you for the links as well, I have always been looking for this information regarding the difference in versions. I will be saving this for reference.
This definitely makes it clearer than what I was trying to explain in my previous post.
I'm one that flashed from Global to India. Then I flashed India to Android 13. Then I did rollback to India 12. And now I did India to EU android 12 .a10.
My bootloader is unlocked though.
I didn't know Global beta is out now. I'll flash to that now!!
So I was just in the 10 Pro section and I would be very cautious trying the downgrade package conversion. There have been a few bricks and a few successes converting T-Mobile to another variant and without an MSM Tool to use, I don't know that I would risk a $650 paperweight.
@beatbreakee This guy has the 2017 version and tried flashing the IN version. There aren't a whole lot of details, but whatever he did caused a softbrick. I posted for a little more details on it, but he might be able to provide some more info around this.
@jmayfield337
Full update from Global to EU?
I'm rooted and bootloader unlocked. There isn't a full update for . 08 yet. Could I use the EU full update and do local install or will that mess my current stuff up?
forum.xda-developers.com
EtherealRemnant said:
You would need to try the downgrade package.
https://oxygenos.oneplus.net/4248_sign_CPH2415_11_A_OTA_0080_all_44864f_10100111.zip
I would be surprised if it works but it is worth a shot with the APK.
That's the global/US package.
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So sorry for the delay... But yes your rollback package worked in getting me off the T-Mobile 2419 , and now I'm on the 2415. A.08 (yay . KINDA...)
Unfortunately this did not have the intended outcome. I mean yes the phone works properly and all... But I'm sure you knew that fastboot did not come back. (Wouldn't be that easy huh?).
Now, here's the next phase.... After repeatedly beating on OP via their chat, and yelling at person after person, I got one of them to slip up and let a few MINOR things leak verbally.
(Bear with me cuz I might be stating something that might be slightly off from him... I could tell English wasn't his 1st language... Or even 2nd)
"Sir what you are requesting is a file authorization to unlock the bootloader on your device, correct" --- OP
"No, because even if I HAD a special file, I would not be able to flash it, because I have NO fastboot mode accessible on my phone. YOU removed or disabled it yourselves!" ---- Me
"Ok after reviewing your previous words sent, I think I know what it is you seek. There is a program called MSM, do you know of, yes?"-OP
"YES I know exactly of that, and you guys made it password restricted so I cannot log in to get what I need, so is it possible you can refer me to get an access account for the tool?"-Me
"Unfortunately sir that is department not of ours, but I will forward your request to them for email response by 24hrs."-OP
"Ok... So what then, you or them will get back to me with info on how to get an account?" -Me
"Well it yes, sir I do not know if that is how they resolve, or maybe they just give you factory fastboot ROM which can be use with the updater application, for local flash. It is my knowledge that other devices we have sold have had this ROM load special fastboot to allow unlock/lock/flash/wipe commands to be sent from your PC, but it was special tool for devices that not have it already!" - OP ...
BINGO!!
I'll spare you the rest of the chat, but of course no one has contacted me....
SOOO... here's my thoughts...
1. This phone is like Samsung in that there is NOT a permanent bootloader lock, and instead there's just a custom ROM (like the old "Combination FW" that restores permissions for higher level functions aka 'Fastboot ROM"
2. This ROM could TECHNICALLY be created or the fastboot portion extracted from another one that already is out for one of these older devices, and we swap it into one of these rollback packages, cuz I did edit the payload properties file to test if simple changes can be made and it still flash... (Answer : yes... It worked!)
3. One of you GURUs who have found TEMP ROOT access on so many other 'unrootable' devices, discover a way in to these, in which we can access the partition where the bootloader exists, and turn it back on with a hex edit, or flip it to UNLOCKED, then I can use Qfil or an EDL prog to flash custom recovery!?!
The reason I say turn it back on is because I am fairly confident it is still functional, primarily because it shows for a half a second, then reboots back into normal mode if 'adb reboot bootloader' is used. How can it be GONE, If the OS still recognizes it. (This suggests there's a script or init command being triggered once that command is sent, and it forces reboot before fastboot can connect to your PC! ... There is still a splash screen triggered from the command... AND all the updates and rollback packages are using something other than EDL to flash all the partitions as .img files, cuz EDL can't communicate with a device while running, but those packages loaded via local update are prepped while running, and processed only by a reboot, which almost confirms that it's fastboot being used. Fastbootd will not process ANY img files, but it does recognize every reg fastboot command!
(Sorry again for long post but I figured detail is needed to solve this.)
I have 48 hours to completely brick this device and still return it, so I am up for ANY actions that you all might suggest, with no regrets! If I get it AT LEAST rooted, I'll take it! Or if we get fastboot enabled again even better. I will monitor this thread for your replies.
Thanks for all input!
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So I was just in the 10 Pro section and I would be very cautious trying the downgrade package conversion. There have been a few bricks and a few successes converting T-Mobile to another variant and without an MSM Tool to use, I don't know that I would risk a $650 paperweight.
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Ok... I KINDA followed part of what they did in the 10pro forums.. opening the zip 1st, I edited 1 line:. "Oplus_update_engine_verify_disable=1" it WAS 0 which I understand had something to do with it verifying something on either the device or in the package to be identical before allowing.
Using a 1 disabled that verification. Now whoever tries this MUST be patient! When you start this via local updater app, you need to be above 40% , AND it will look like it is frozen and not processing at 0% for close to 5 min ... Then it will just start ticking off about 1% every 15-30sec til it gets to 60-70... Then it is about 2 percent per 15 sec... Finally when it hits 99% it will again look like it's stuck, but just wait, cuz it will hit 100% about 3-4 min later.
Whole process went seamlessly smooth! I advise not doing ANYTHING on your device while running. But I successfully went from Android 12.1 A.11 to Android 12.0 A.08 2419 to 2015.
Don't know if it matters but I did enable OEM unlocking in dev options 1st. And it persisted thru the whole wipe/flash process.!
Don't know if this means anything...
Congrats on a successful conversion. Sucks that it's still walled off still but I can't say I'm surprised.
@beatbreakee
Dude I just want to thank you for all you hard work into this.
I have a T-Mobile OP10T and was so disappointed to find out there was no way to unlock bl/no root.
So when i found this thread, there is no hope. Now because of you, there's a chance.
Thanks
I would assume it's best not applying any updates if iv just got the phone? If my plan is somehow getting away from T-Mobile software. Right?

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