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Basic Device Information
Blazing fast octa-core processor
Run multiple apps without slowing down.
13 MP rear camera, 5 MP front camera
Advanced design delivers crystal-clear photos.
TurboPower™ charging enabled
Up to 6 hours of power in just 15 minutes of charging.
Dual 4G SIM
Moto G4 automatically selects a SIM based on your calling patterns to suggest the best SIM.
Free storage with Google Photos
Stay automatically backed up and organized, and get two years of storage at original quality.
Expandable memory
Add an up to 128 GB microSD card.
Specifications:
Operating System
Android™ 6.0.1, Marshmallow
System Architecture/Processor
Motorola Mobile Computing System, including an up to 1.5 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon™ 617 octa-core processor with 550 MHz Adreno 405 GPU
Memory (RAM)
2 GB
Storage (ROM)
16 GB internal, up to 128 GB microSD Card support
Dimensions
Height: 153 mm
Width: 76.6 mm
Depth: 7.9 mm to 9.8 mm
Weight
155g
Display
5.5"
1080p Full HD (1920 x 1080)
401 ppi
Battery
All-day battery (3000 mAh)
TurboPower™ for up to 6 hours of power in 15 minutes of charging
Water Protection
Water repellent nano-coating
Networks
4G LTE (Cat 4)
UMTS / HSPA+
GSM / EDGE
Bands (by model)
Moto G - XT1625
GSM / GPRS / EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS / HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (B1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 25, 26, 41)
Band coverage varies by model, country, and carrier.
SIM Card
Micro-SIM, nano-SIM with included adaptor (available in select regions)
Dual-SIM available in select regions
Rear Camera
13 MP
ƒ/2.0 aperture
Color balancing dual LED flash
Professional Mode
Quick Capture
Best Shot
Tap (anywhere) to capture
4X digital zoom
Burst mode
Auto HDR
Panorama
Drag to focus & exposure
Video Stabilization
1080p HD video (30 fps)
Slow Motion video
Front Camera
5 MP
ƒ/2.2 aperture
Wide-Angle lens
Display flash
Google Photos
Two years of storage at original quality
Connectivity
Micro USB, 3.5 mm headset jack
Bluetooth Technology
Bluetooth version 4.1 LE
Wi-Fi
802.11 a/b/g/n (2.4 GHz + 5 GHz)
Speakers/Microphones
Front-ported loud speaker
2-Mics
Video Capture
1080p (30 fps)
Location Services
A-GPS
Sensors
Acceleromter
Gyroscope
Ambient Light
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Official Stock Firmware
Official Stock Firmware
[STOCK][FIRMWARE][UNOFFICIAL] Moto G4 Marshmallow 6.0.1 Stock Firmware XT1641-XT1643 by Awesomeslayerg
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List of Moto G4 variants and their respective bands. I will try to update this list as more information becomes available:
[I have no clue why Moto skipped over XT1623]
Moto G4
XT1620: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 + HSPA 850/900/1900/2100 + LTE 3/5/7/28
XT1621: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 + HSPA 850/900/1700(AWS)/1900/2100 + LTE 2/3/4/5/7/12/17/28
XT1622: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 + HSPA 850/900/1900/2100 + LTE 1/3/5/7/8/19/20/28/40
XT1624: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 + HSPA 850/900/2100 + LTE 1/3/5/8/40
XT1625: CDMA 0/1/10 + GSM 850/900/1800/1900 + HSPA 850/900/1700(AWS)/1900/2100 + LTE 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/17/25/26/41
XT1626: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 + HSPA 850/900/1900/2100 + LTE 3/5/7/28 + ISDB DTV
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All Moto G4 versions
xtermmin said:
List of Moto G4 variants and their respective bands. I will try to update this list as more information becomes available:
[I have no clue why Moto skipped over XT1623]
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See all Moto G4 versions on phonemore.com
Very nice post!
Will the links be added soon? I've got a wifi issue with my phone.
why is there no official AOSP/CM roms out yet?
Any link to download stock firmware for xt1624 indian version?
vyaskd said:
Any link to download stock firmware for xt1624 indian version?
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I also have xt1624.
I found 2 links but didn't tested installing. Let me know if it works.
http://forum.gsmdevelopers.com/f32/moto-xt1624-firmware-needs-13021/
https://www.filefactory.com/file/4rhx6327dn5b/XT1622-XT1624_ATHENE_MPJ24.139-63_cid50_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml.zip
LoverBoy2415 said:
Official Stock Firmware
Official Stock Firmware
[STOCK][FIRMWARE][UNOFFICIAL] Moto G4 Marshmallow 6.0.1 Stock Firmware XT1641-XT1643 by Awesomeslayerg
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Aren't the XT164* models the Moto G4 Plus, while the Moto G4 are XT162* ?
Or am I mistaken?
Related
This is a technical question and even though it's about the t-mobile t999 I decided to post it here as well because the post relates to the international version as well. Here it is:
I live in Israel. I used to live in the US. Last time I was in the US I bought this phone and brought it over. I did my research beforehand and knowingly purchased the phone assuming I would have full compatible with Israeli service providers...
Now, I'm not so sure anymore. I just tried the phone today.. maybe 5 hours of use. Still have the default OS installed. No root or anything. The signal seems to fluctuate going between Edge and higher speed networks.
Here's what it says about Cellcom on wikipedia:
Cellcom eventually sought to replace the 850 MHz TDMA frequencies it owns with standard 900 MHz GSM frequencies but Pelephone and Partner (Orange) petitioned the Ministry of Communications to deny this for technical reasons. This put Cellcom at a disadvantage since though most of its users had converted to GSM, they were not able to make use of the lower frequency's better in-building penetration and greater cell reach.
With its entry into 3G wireless services Cellcom demoed the first mobile video call in Israel. Since the beginning of 2006, Cellcom began deploying a 3G UMTS-2100 network nationwide which by the end of 2007 covered than 87% of the population. Cellcom was the first in Israel to launch an HSDPA network (also called "Generation 3.5") nationwide. In 2011, Cellcom began to deploy UMTS services in the 850 MHz band, employing unused capacity in that frequency range since it had very few TDMA customers remaining. The Israeli Ministry of Communications has approved Cellcom's plan to shut down the TDMA-850 network on 31 December 2011.
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It supports the following networks:
GSM, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA, SMS, MMS, iMode
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I just put the SIM card back in my old international Galaxy 2 i9100T and it'll fluctuate between HSDPA: 8 and HSPA+:15. Also it displays an H icon in the status bar (I don't think Resurrection rom is capable of displaying an H+).
Anyway, I'm going to put the SIM back in the Galaxy 3 t999. It now fluctuates between EDGE: 2, HSPAP: 15, HSPA: 11, and UMTS: 3. The signal is shifty and only displays a 3G at the top, no H like the international Galaxy 2.
Here's what wikipedia lists as the differences between the two models of the Galaxy 3 (standard international i9300 and my t-mobile t999):
Model GT-I9300;
2G networks: 850, 900, 1,800, 1,900 MHz GSM / GPRS / EDGE
3G networks: 850, 900, 1,900, 2,100 MHz UMTS / HSPA+
no 4G of course
max speed: 21 Mbit/s HSPA+
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Model SGH-T999;
2G networks: 850, 900, 1,800, 1,900 MHz GSM / GPRS / EDGE
3G networks: 850, 1,700 (AWS/Band IV), 1,900, 2,100 MHz UMTS / HSPA+ / DC-HSPA+
no 4G either
max speed: 42 Mbit/s DC-HSPA+
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and this is what gsmarena.com says about the cellular capabilities of Israel:
2G capabilities: Required GSM 900 Recommended GSM 900 and GSM 1800
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3G capabilities: Required UMTS 2100 Recommended UMTS 850 and UMTS 2100
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So what do you think is going on??? Doesn't the t-mobile Galaxy 3 t999 support all the networks that Israel currently has operating???
It could be an OS issue. Have you tried flashing yet?
You will never get an H or H+ with a T-Mobile branded GS3. It's as simple as looking at your User Manual.
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Your phone contains all the networks for Israel, but it's optimized for T-Mobile's network. So you aren't going to get the performance you would get with the International GSIII.
Hi guys, some super important info here, For anyone considering getting the international version should CONSIDER getting the T-mobile phone instead because it can utilize future LTE channel 700MHZ worldwide: (Assuming this is correct)
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I noticed the only difference between T-mobile's Samsung Galaxy S5 (G900T), and the international Version (G900F) Is that the LTE 700MHZ is missing from the international version.
This brings 2 important questions for BOTH users of both phones.
1. Now, Assuming the specs are correct on the G900T, (it appears to have future compatibility with 700MHZ being released by Tmobile, and other networks worldwide in 2014-2015.) We need to know if this is indeed correct or not.
2. I had flashed AllianceROM for the international version on my G900T, and it shows G900F in the about device.
Will this prevent any phone flashed in this manner from using 700 MHZ if the ROM is a G900F and flashed on a G900T. This is not important now, but will be very much so in the future as the cellular networks mature and roll out the AWS LTE band 700.
This is SUPER important as it may cause headaches for developers/users and mass confusion in the future if the issue isn't caught now before everyone starts using LTE 700 (AWS), and projects mature, and users may notice coverage gaps, if (2) above is confirmed to be a problem.
solrazr said:
Hi guys, some super important info here, For anyone considering getting the international version should CONSIDER getting the T-mobile phone instead because it can utilize future LTE channel 700MHZ worldwide: (Assuming this is correct)
Now with this information above,
I noticed the only difference between T-mobile's Samsung Galaxy S5 (G900T), and the international Version (G900F) Is that the LTE 700MHZ is missing from the international version.
This brings 2 important questions for BOTH users of both phones.
1. Now, Assuming the specs are correct on the G900T, (it appears to have future compatibility with 700MHZ being released by Tmobile, and other networks worldwide in 2014-2015.) We need to know if this is indeed correct or not.
2. I had flashed AllianceROM for the international version on my G900T, and it shows G900F in the about device.
Will this prevent any phone flashed in this manner from using 700 MHZ if the ROM is a G900F and flashed on a G900T. This is not important now, but will be very much so in the future as the cellular networks mature and roll out the AWS LTE band 700.
This is SUPER important as it may cause headaches for developers/users and mass confusion in the future if the issue isn't caught now before everyone starts using LTE 700 (AWS), and projects mature, and users may notice coverage gaps, if (2) above is confirmed to be a problem.
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Edit build.prop and you can make your phone appear as any model.
Docmjldds said:
Edit build.prop and you can make your phone appear as any model.
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Fair enough, however we need to get confirmation if the international ROM's are compatible and can utilize the 700 MHz LTE band (radio) on the G900T regardless of model displayed on the phone. I would think it *might* work, but without 700MHz available yet on T-mobile, I can't test it.
Doesn't matter what ROM you installed ... If you actual phone has LTE bands than it wouldn't really matter what ROM you installed .... and like the other guy posted you can edit build.prop and make it to any model you want ...
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Your answer is yes, just know when flashing a int rom, apn settings are for other bands. When I flashed alliance, I had to change apn settings to the LTE version. I know this for a fact cause I have 2 s5's and I had to copy its original settings to get LTE speeds
Sent from my Stanced Out S5
Sometimes you don't need to set up apn's they set up by itself .. that's why I like tmobile
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Looks like the gsmarena specs might be wrong, according to this LTE band 12 (700 MHz) is not supported on the SM-G900T:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-G900TZKATMB-specs
solrazr said:
Hi guys, some super important info here, For anyone considering getting the international version should CONSIDER getting the T-mobile phone instead because it can utilize future LTE channel 700MHZ worldwide: (Assuming this is correct)
I noticed the only difference between T-mobile's Samsung Galaxy S5 (G900T), and the international Version (G900F) Is that the LTE 700MHZ is missing from the international version.
This brings 2 important questions for BOTH users of both phones.
1. Now, Assuming the specs are correct on the G900T, (it appears to have future compatibility with 700MHZ being released by Tmobile, and other networks worldwide in 2014-2015.) We need to know if this is indeed correct or not.
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That's not the only difference:
T-Mobile (T) has LTE 700 & 1700 (Band 17/4), International version (F) does not. (mainly used in North America)
F has LTE 800 (Band 20), T does not. (mainly used in Europe)
F - WCDMA 850/900/1900/2100
T - WCDMA 850/1700&2100/1900/2100
I'm in Hong Kong where they sell unlocked F version but I travel to the US (and Europe) very often (have a place there) so I'm waiting to get a T-Mo version - which IMHO has the best world wide LTE coverage.
I am confused and would very much appreciate if someone here who knows this stuff clear it out. According to these sites the T-Mobile 700 MHz block will be band 12 and the SM-G900T has band 17 which is a subset of band 12.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-UTRA#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths
So it seems to me that while our phones might be able to get on some 700 MHz LTE networks they would not be able to use the USA T-Mobile 700 MHz band?
Edit: Just found this:
"Annoyingly, both the AT&T and T-Mobile (SGS5) models lack LTE Band 12, which T-Mobile and some regional carriers are implementing at the end of this year to improve rural coverage, but no other phone has that yet, either."
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2456033,00.asp
Wondering if band 12 LTE access can be added through a modem upgrade...?
rtwhtever said:
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"Annoyingly, both the AT&T and T-Mobile (SGS5) models lack LTE Band 12, which T-Mobile and some regional carriers are implementing at the end of this year to improve rural coverage, but no other phone has that yet, either."
Wondering if band 12 LTE access can be added through a modem upgrade...?
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More than likely, No.
Based on what I've read in other articles there is "physical" gap between the bands on 700mhz which requires filters on the PCB.
The S5 would have had to be shipped band 12 capable from the start or the hardware would have to be refreshed later in the year.
If the GS5 were band 12 capable you'd think they would try to market it as such, since that would be a major upsell.
I wouldn't hold my breath for a hardware refresh though. Seeing as the carriers (especially T-Mobile) seem to have a "hard time" trying to stock multiple internal storage and color options as it is, throw band 12 capable" and "not band 12 capable" and the whole system might collapse!
Old topic ?
Flash an international S5 rom then flash a t-mobile radio.
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I'd say more than likely, yes.
Your information about SAW filters being necessary is out of date. The S5 has been reported to use the Qualcomm WTR1625L RF transceiver. This chipset is capable of operating on all LTE bands.
There may still be cost saving or protectionist measures in supporting hardware choices that limit us but given the available evidence, the overwhelming chances are that each variant can access an arbritrary set of LTE frequences and that the restrictions will be firmware based.
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I stand corrected if that's the chipset used. I knew Samsung had been using SDRs I just was not aware that chips had become available to also dynamically handle the filtering.
Here's hoping it gets resubmitted to the FCC for band 12 approval later this year.
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Chipworks says that is the chipset and they should certainly know. The WTR1625L is release 10 compliant so it supports all 34 announced bands, not just the current bands in use. The companion WFR1620 chip in the photo is used for carrier aggregation which is LTE channel bonding to achieve higher speeds. Interestingly, Qualcomm's aggressive release schedule already puts a 28 nm successor on the table, the WTR3925 which will be the first single chip carrier aggregation solution to market. It will be release 11 compliant.
The move away from discrete filtering and aggressive push towards single IC systems is meant to capture a larger market share in this multi billion dollar market. Single chip solutions can hit cost and power reduction goals that discrete components could not reach.
The wild card, the possible hardware bottleneck will be the Avago RF front end. It's rumoured to be release 10 compliant as well, but since Avago only releases their specs and datasheets to qualified customers we can't be certain yet.
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IFixit found a Qualcomm WTR1625L within when they did their teardown.
mastarpete said:
I stand corrected if that's the chipset used. I knew Samsung had been using SDRs I just was not aware that chips had become available to also dynamically handle the filtering.
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Gentlemen, all phones operating in full duplex mode require band-specific RF duplexers to separate the uplink and downlink frequencies and route the antenna to and from the receiver and transmit PA respectively. These are essentially paired RF filters. Duplexers serve the additional purpose of blocking out of band interferers including harmonics generated by the phone transmitting on other bands. Additional SAW and BAW filters are still required in the receive chain in some cases to block interference as well.
E-UTRA bands 1 through 32 are FDD bands and require duplexers. B12 requires its own duplexer. A tunable duplexer that can operate over several of the 700 MHz E-UTRA bands might be possible in the future, but for now a phone that can operate in LTE mode on AT&T (B17), Verizon (B13), US Cellular etc.(B12) requires multiple duplexers.
A phone operating in "All LTE bands" would require an unworkable number of duplexers. As a result, LTE phones are operator and region specific with respect to LTE, and right now it takes at least three SKUs to cover the main population regions and LTE operators across the world. The radio chipset is the same, but not the duplexers and usually not the RF power amps. Some phones will not operate on the right frequencies for LTE on some carrier networks without hardware changes.
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Ylo said:
Gentlemen, all phones operating in full duplex mode require band-specific RF duplexers to separate the uplink and downlink frequencies and route the antenna to and from the receiver and transmit PA respectively. These are essentially paired RF filters. Duplexers serve the additional purpose of blocking out of band interferers including harmonics generated by the phone transmitting on other bands. Additional SAW and BAW filters are still required in the receive chain in some cases to block interference as well.
E-UTRA bands 1 through 32 are FDD bands and require duplexers. B12 requires its own duplexer. A tunable duplexer that can operate over several of the 700 MHz E-UTRA bands might be possible in the future, but for now a phone that can operate in LTE mode on AT&T (B17), Verizon (B13), US Cellular etc.(B12) requires multiple duplexers.
A phone operating in "All LTE bands" would require an unworkable number of duplexers. As a result, LTE phones are operator and region specific with respect to LTE, and right now it takes at least three SKUs to cover the main population regions and LTE operators across the world. The radio chipset is the same, but not the duplexers and usually not the RF power amps. Some phones will not operate on the right frequencies for LTE on some carrier networks without hardware changes.
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Interesting, thanks for sharing.
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Ylo said:
Gentlemen, all phones operating in full duplex mode require band-specific RF duplexers to separate the uplink and downlink frequencies and route the antenna to and from the receiver and transmit PA respectively. These are essentially paired RF filters. Duplexers serve the additional purpose of blocking out of band interferers including harmonics generated by the phone transmitting on other bands. Additional SAW and BAW filters are still required in the receive chain in some cases to block interference as well.
E-UTRA bands 1 through 32 are FDD bands and require duplexers. B12 requires its own duplexer. A tunable duplexer that can operate over several of the 700 MHz E-UTRA bands might be possible in the future, but for now a phone that can operate in LTE mode on AT&T (B17), Verizon (B13), US Cellular etc.(B12) requires multiple duplexers.
A phone operating in "All LTE bands" would require an unworkable number of duplexers. As a result, LTE phones are operator and region specific with respect to LTE, and right now it takes at least three SKUs to cover the main population regions and LTE operators across the world. The radio chipset is the same, but not the duplexers and usually not the RF power amps. Some phones will not operate on the right frequencies for LTE on some carrier networks without hardware changes.
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Thanks for the response.
When I google the WTR1625L the results I'm seeing are claiming it is Release 10 based and supports all announced bands. Maybe their wording is over simplifying but it seems to imply it's capable of handling the duplexing, antenna switching and basic filtering as one combined chipset.
I understand that there could still be a possibility of needing additional interference filtering.
Are you pointing out that the WTR1625L really only has selective support based on how the OEM builds out the chipset?
ie. Hardware wise (ignoring software configuration), if the OEM using the WTR1625L gets a request to not include (or doesn't ask for) a specific band they wont actually physically assemble it in a way that supports all bands.
Edit: here's a link to the press release from when the WTR1625L was announced.
http://www.multivu.com/mnr/60452-qualcomm-rf360-front-end-solution-global-4g-lte-for-mobile-devices
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fffft said:
The observations about discrete components being a limiting factor was accurate five years ago. It largely out of date now and specifically has little relevance to the specific chipset under discussion. This chipset is release 10 compliant and only requires minimal external hardware support.
A RF front end is still required, but as the current generation of Avago chips have made comparable advances and are also R10 compliant. The days when we needed a slew of SAW filters and other discrete components are behind us.
Between that and general manufacturing practice, it is all but certain that the in situ chipset can support all existing GSM and LTE bands. The (artificial) restrictions will be in the firmware.
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Any new thoughts or information on this discussion?
International
Exynos 5 Octa 5430
CPU Quad-core 1.8 GHz Cortex-A15 & quad-core 1.3 GHz Cortex-A7
GPU Mali-T628 MP6
Vs.
US (AT&T)
Qualcomm MSM8974AC Snapdragon 801
CPU Quad-core 2.5 GHz Krait 400
GPU Adreno 330
can somebody to give us Antutu benchmark for Snaprdagon 801 Alpha,seem I dont see it hire
Exynos 5430:
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Who cares? As long as it's powerful enough it doesn't matter which one is more powerful.
jcracken said:
Who cares? As long as it's powerful enough it doesn't matter which one is more powerful.
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I am interested in a possible battery impact, rather than performance
battery behave exellent on exynos model ,dont worry & buy it
it`s awesome phone m8,I have Sasmung Galaxy S all rage phone
my opinion i never have on SGS4 screen 4-5 hours ,with Alpha is possable
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can somebody to give us Antutu benchmark for Snaprdagon 801 Alpha,seem I dont see it hire
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Snapdragon AT&T Samsung Galaxy Alpha Antutu score
Well those Benchmarks on the Exynos 8 core are great.
Unlike Galaxy S4 Octacore Version , on Alpha , the
Octacore Version can use all 8 cores at once under
Peak CPU Loads.
However, this is all academic because there are only
2 different Versions of Alpha for North America LTE and they are both Qualcomm Quad Core , one for AT&T
and one for Bell in Canada.
The Bell Canada version is available unlocked and
SEEMS to have all the bands for 3G, 4G, LTE on Tmobile USA , a great loophole.
See my thread on new Samsung Battery for Alpha also.
I am researching Alpha vs Z3 Compact for myself.
I am very curious if anyone is getting full LTE Service on EXYNOS ALPHA in USA ?
EDIT : For the past 4 months I have had the International Unlocked 850M which has all the Metro PCS/Tmo Bands except the new Band 12 and much better Speaker than qualcomm AT&T version.
mastalee420 said:
Snapdragon AT&T Samsung Galaxy Alpha Antutu score
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10ks m8,I realy like to see that result
robertkoa said:
Well those Benchmarks on the Exynos 8 core are great.
Unlike Galaxy S4 Octacore Version , on Alpha , the
Octacore Version can use all 8 cores at once under
Peak CPU Loads.
However, this is all academic because there are only
2 different Versions of Alpha for North America LTE and they are both Qualcomm Quad Core , one for AT&T
and one for Bell in Canada.
The Bell Canada version is available unlocked and
SEEMS to have all the bands for 3G, 4G, LTE on Tmobile USA , a great loophole.
See my thread on new Samsung Battery for Alpha also.
I am researching Alpha vs Z3 Compact for myself.
The
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So one could essentially take the Bell Canada version, root/unlock it, then be able to use T-Mobile's LTE networks? I know the International version doesn't support LTE with T-Mobile so I've been looking for a workaround with the Bell or AT&T versions.
Yes.
This one is being sold unlocked by Canada GSM and has the LTE Bands for,TMO/Metro PCS and I am no expert but in Reframed Areas the 3G band of 1900 is key.
TPhe 4G LTE and 2 G Bands are present.
I have not dealt with Canada GSM before but suggest a,
Pay Pal or Credit Card Transaction.
Canada GSM has told me via email that this is an Unlocked Canada Bell Alpha with no branding .
http://canadagsm.ca/products-Samsung-Galaxy-Alpha-SM-G850W8-Metal-Unlocked
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1700/ 1900 / 2100
4G & LTELTE 2100, 1900, 1800, 1700, 2600, 700, 850
See these LTE Bands which are not listed on the AT&T Version ?
Should perform well on TMO according to a few sources.
Rooting will not be necessary to be on TMOBILE but you need to find out about that. I would guess Bell Canada would lock the Bootloader on these to prevent
unauthorized , unregulated Hotspot use ?
You can email Canada GSM and ask.
Again use paypal or reversible transaction in case they do not ship or return necessary etc.
This Phone should also be available from the Source and other Canadian Retailers as a Prepaid Locked Canada Bell Device, which you can unlock and use
here in USA on TMobile.
EDIT: I have confirmed with BELL CANADA , that their Alpha supports 3G 1700 AWS band also, so perfect for TMOBILE USA if you unlock.
Bell will not sell outside Canada but will sell outright IF you are in Canada.
Theoretically you can purchase an AT&T Version in USA IF you can find AT&T non Corporate Store that will sell without a Contract at $612. BUT then you need to
Unlock ( carrier unlock) but the Bands do not look right for TMobile.
The one sold at Canada GSM is an unlocked BELL CANADA Alpha 801 perfect for TMobile here,
EDIT: I just purchased the Alpha 850 M which IS an
Octacore CPU factory unlocked and made specifically for North America, Central and South America and the Caribbean.
Box says: " American SIM CARD ONLY , this Product is only compatible with a SIM Card issued from a Carrier in the Americas (North, South, Central, Caribbean)."
IF a SIM card outside the Region is used, you must first make a 5 minute call with American SIM THEN insert
the "foreign " SIM.
First Paragraph is Quote, second I paraphrased.
I find the Octacore faster, and.surprisingly the Speaker is louder and fuller than AT&T Version by far.
On mine it sounds about like ONE of the HTC One Speakers, if there were 2 on this Alpha , it would be almost as loud as HTC ONE M 8 but a little less bass.
Not sure if it is Seiren Audio Chip in the Exynos or I just got lucky, but this Speaker is not tinny like AT&T versions I heard.
Also as many have said, a bit snappier due toExynos and factory unlock.
Hi, I'm trying to update from JB 4.2.2 to any of newer android versions, but I can't seem to find any custom rom for my phone. I tried to install custom roms for mt6572 devices but I bricked the phone in the process. Now I want to know if there is any way to update my android so I can install incompatible apks & not get the parse error or if anyone could create a custom rom specifically for this device in this forum; I would be really grateful to get an answer as soon as possible :fingers-crossed:
Official Updated Stock Rom on Needrom (If you need it): put download/blu-advance-4-0-a270a/ after "needrom. com/" ('cause there's three versions & hard to find )
BLU Advance 4.0 specs:
NETWORK
Technology GSM / HSPA
2G bands GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - SIM 1 & SIM 2
3G bands HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 1700 - A270a
Speed HSPA 21.1/5.76 Mbps
GPRS Class 12
EDGE Class 12
LAUNCH
Announced 2013, December
Status Available. Released 2013, December
BODY
Dimensions 125 x 65 x 12.4 mm (4.92 x 2.56 x 0.49 in)
Weight 124 g (4.37 oz)
SIM Dual SIM (Mini-SIM, dual stand-by)
DISPLAY
Type TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 4.0 inches (~56.1% screen-to-body ratio)
Resolution 480 x 800 pixels (~233 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
PLATFORM
OS Android 4.2 (Jelly Bean)
Chipset Mediatek MT6572
CPU Dual-core 1.3 GHz Cortex-A7
GPU Mali-400
MEMORY
Card slot microSD, up to 32 GB (dedicated slot)
Internal 4 GB, 512 MB RAM
CAMERA
Primary 5 MP, LED flash
Features Geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection
Video [email protected]
Secondary VGA
SOUND
Alert types Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones
Loudspeaker Yes
3.5mm jack Yes
COMMS
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, hotspot
Bluetooth 4.0, A2DP
GPS Yes, with A-GPS
Radio Stereo FM radio
USB microUSB 2.0
FEATURES
Sensors Accelerometer
Messaging SMS(threaded view), MMS, Email, Push Email, IM
Browser HTML5
Java No
- MP3/AAC/WMA/WAV player
- DivX/XviD/MP4/H.264/WMV player
- Document viewer
- Photo viewer/editor
- Voice memo/dial/commands
BATTERY
Removable Li-Ion 1600 mAh battery
Stand-by Up to 600 h (2G) / Up to 400 h (3G)
Talk time Up to 15 h (2G) / Up to 9 h (3G)
MISC
Colors Black, White
Price About 80 EUR
Could u please help me?
tmade65 said:
Could u please help me?
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Anyone?
36 views but no one said anything! At least tell me if it's possible to update or not, doesn't matter which android version :good:
Waiting :fingers-crossed:
I have been testing and also read on official telegram group that carrier aggregation (4G+ or LTE-A) is not enabled in Europe.
Will there be any fix for it on future updates? Phone is listed as CAT16 but its working as a CAT4.
Any idea? Was Poco community manager on forum? Would be nice to know if Pocophone will be CAT16 in Europe or just CAT4.
zgotenz said:
Any idea? Was Poco community manager on forum? Would be nice to know if Pocophone will be CAT16 in Europe or just CAT4.
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yep, it's quite slow and I hope they'll fix it with an update cause compared to my Mi A1 I'm not getting full-speed LTE experience, only slow 4G mode. band 3 actually, no band20:
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yep, it's quite slow and I hope they'll fix it with an update cause compared to my Mi A1 I'm not getting full-speed LTE experience, only slow 4G mode. how did you check and find out it's cat4 only?
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With *#*#4636#*#* you can see connected cells, or some apps for cell monitoring, it doesn't use never more than one band (EARFCN is the frequency of band used). Could maybe be a CAT5, that it's like CAT4 but supporting MIMO 4x4, but the most standard is CAT4. CAT6+ are all LTE-A with carrier aggregation, what Poco doesn't support in Europe bands. (some info in http://main.rfassurance.com/?q=LTEUeCategory )
Also I work on mobile network engineering, so I have some info from network, but it can be easyly checked from phone, no network aggregation = no 4g+ or LTE-A
my problem was solved by a call with three austria service line.
in fact they didn't get band 20 frequency by auction, only 1800 and 900 for volte calls only.
https://www.rtr.at/de/tk/FRQshare
so, I'd have to change my provider (telekom or t-mobile or a sub) to get band 20.
meltbanana said:
my problem was solved by a call with three austria service line.
in fact they didn't get band 20 frequency by auction, only 1800 and 900 for volte calls only.
https://www.rtr.at/de/tk/FRQshare
so, I'd have to change my provider (telekom or t-mobile or a sub) to get band 20.
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It's not related to the lack of carrier aggregation for Pocophone in Europe. My provider uses bands, 3, 7 and 20, in a cell with the three bands and that allows carrier aggregation between all them in any order, doesn't work at all while works with another phones.
Btw, installed new MIUI10 open beta, and problem is still there.
@ PocoCommunityManager are you there? Any info?
zgotenz said:
It's not related to the lack of carrier aggregation for Pocophone in Europe. My provider uses bands, 3, 7 and 20, in a cell with the three bands and that allows carrier aggregation between all them in any order, doesn't work at all while works with another phones.
Btw, installed new MIUI10 open beta, and problem is still there.
@ PocoCommunityManager are you there? Any info?
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There is not 4G+ for Poco in Europe like on most xiaomi phone, stop to ask.
I don't think asking is a problem, Pocophone lists the phone as 4g+ in Europe (example: https://www.poco.net/es/specs/ or https://www.mi.com/es/pocophone-f1/specs/ ), so we ask for it.
SD845 allows it, probably it's a fw thing, not hw.
zgotenz said:
I don't think asking is a problem, Pocophone lists the phone as 4g+ in Europe (example: https://www.poco.net/es/specs/ or https://www.mi.com/es/pocophone-f1/specs/ ), so we ask for it.
SD845 allows it, probably it's a fw thing, not hw.
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I mean, there is 4g+ but only in special conditions, very rare: it's as if it were not there.
Any chance someone from Poco team could answer this? Other phones using perfectly 4g+ and Pocophone fake CAT16 doesn't at all?
My internet is slower on pocophone than in my last phone, Xiaomi mi a2. And both have band 20, then i thing that is a rom problem.
I think more band combinations are available with MiUi 10 because after the update it's showing me 4G+ on a network.
I'm also having the same problem in Europe. It just wouldn't connect to 4G+, not like on other phones. My operator supports 3+20 and 3+7+20 band carrier aggregation. LTE Discovery app shows that the phone is always connected to band 3 only.
Up !
I wrote about this problem in the main pocophone forum and to be honest there is no real official reply. Some people wrote that CA is disabled due to pocophone not buying proper licences from Qualcomm.
It's difficult to say how accurate this explanation is. One thing is definite, they advertise pocophone as LTE cat.16 capable and at the same time they disable this feature completely and limit capabilities to LTE cat.4 (not even cat.6 ....). This is not what you call honest marketing. More like lying about you product capabilities. I think CA happens but only in India or in some extremely rare cases in some other countries, especially if certain phone companies offer CA on frequencies similar to indian frequencies.
No developer can activate this option? With a custom ROM or something? The sd845 supports this though!
Any update?
they are not interested as usual. flagships in Xiaomi's term: "yeah it's fast but that's all. buy it then don't ask CAUSE IT'S FAST OKAY?"
Why is this thread inactive? I live in Greece where carriers use 3 7 and 20 for 4g although poco is always connected on 3 as stated. Has anyone tried to enable 3CA using QPST?
I usually get connected to band 3 or 20.
I'm in Spain. To make sure I'm using band 20 I switch from 4g to 3g and back to 4g Enmidiately. Screenshots attached.