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Howdy.. I just received my Amaze 4G from T-mobile two days ago (Free with contract.. caught the sale right before it ended!)
In love with the phone, it's my first Android phone.. and I really want to upgrade to ICS.. but there's a couple of things holding me back
I've noticed benchmark scores have decreased considerably for people in ICS.. is this simply a lack of optimization for given benchmarks or something else? How is real world performance compared to GB?
If I upgrade to ICS and wanted to go back to GB for whatever reason, is it possible without hassle? (I'm stock, s-on, locked bootloader) This is a major one for me.. I'd like the assurance I can go back if there's something I don't like about it.
Will upgrading to ICS effect my warrenty or insurance policy? I'm afraid that if I upgrade to ICS i'll immediately have a problem with my phone and my warrenty will be void for upgrading..
And last but not least.. will upgrading to ICS ruin my ability to receive OTA updates? When ICS is officially released, will I still get the updates or will I have to revert to GB and then receive the upgrade (See question about reverting to GB.. is that possible easily?)
Sorry about all the questions! I've been doing as much reading as I can, but these are the questions I still find myself asking every time I'm about to try and flash ICS..... thanks guys for any information.
ericdjobs said:
Howdy.. I just received my Amaze 4G from T-mobile two days ago (Free with contract.. caught the sale right before it ended!)
In love with the phone, it's my first Android phone.. and I really want to upgrade to ICS.. but there's a couple of things holding me back
I've noticed benchmark scores have decreased considerably for people in ICS.. is this simply a lack of optimization for given benchmarks or something else? How is real world performance compared to GB?
If I upgrade to ICS and wanted to go back to GB for whatever reason, is it possible without hassle? (I'm stock, s-on, locked bootloader) This is a major one for me.. I'd like the assurance I can go back if there's something I don't like about it.
Will upgrading to ICS effect my warrenty or insurance policy? I'm afraid that if I upgrade to ICS i'll immediately have a problem with my phone and my warrenty will be void for upgrading..
And last but not least.. will upgrading to ICS ruin my ability to receive OTA updates? When ICS is officially released, will I still get the updates or will I have to revert to GB and then receive the upgrade (See question about reverting to GB.. is that possible easily?)
Sorry about all the questions! I've been doing as much reading as I can, but these are the questions I still find myself asking every time I'm about to try and flash ICS..... thanks guys for any information.
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Performance-wise, ICS is way smoother than any GB ROM I've tried on the Amaze by far. I never look at benchmark scores because I think they're bogus half the time.
Downgrading back to GB shouldn't be a problem since a lot of people are saying that the ICS radios are backwards compatible with GB ROMs, which is pretty convenient.
I believe unlocking bootloader will void your warranty but if a hardware problem occurs (eg. screen has a dead pixel, etc), HTC may still honour the hardware warranty since it's unrelated to software, I'm not sure 100% sure about this though.
Regarding OTA updates, I wouldn't worry too much about those since the developers here are always releasing ROMs based off of the latest firmware updates for the phone for us to flash so in one form another you'll be able to get the latest and greatest firmware.
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Performance-wise, ICS is way smoother than any GB ROM I've tried on the Amaze by far. I never look at benchmark scores because I think they're bogus half the time.
Downgrading back to GB shouldn't be a problem since a lot of people are saying that the ICS radios are backwards compatible with GB ROMs, which is pretty convenient.
I believe unlocking bootloader will void your warranty but if a hardware problem occurs (eg. screen has a dead pixel, etc), HTC may still honour the hardware warranty since it's unrelated to software, I'm not sure 100% sure about this though.
Regarding OTA updates, I wouldn't worry too much about those since the developers here are always releasing ROMs based off of the latest firmware updates for the phone for us to flash so in one form another you'll be able to get the latest and greatest firmware.
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Thanks for the reply! I wasn't planning on unlocking the bootloader.. I was just going to flash ICS with s-on and a locked bootloader. The major thing I worry about is that I see mixed reports about the new radio, some people having a major loss in quality/reception while others might ever report a gain! So I assume that the update to the radio isn't reverted if I were to downgrade to a GB ROM if ICS did not work out for me?
And I'm also assuming that if I do upgrade to ICS, that I would be forced to unlock the bootloader if I wished to downgrade back to GB?
Ah I'm so torn haha.. brand new phone and I love it so I'm a little weary with a "dont try to fix what aint broke" mentality...
my wifi is slightly better after upgrading, and signal is noticeably stronger.
After upgrading firmware I ran fourth bar fine, so going back shouldn't be a problem.
you shouldn't have any issues once you make the switch. If you're worried just waitt for ota
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I was right there with you, ericdjobs.
I decided to upgrade due to battery issues.
Custom ROM's that are debloated and tweaked do help, but the warranty concerns and OTA issues do bother me, too.
Now that OTA is out, did you wait long enough to stay stock and locked?
My WiFi speed has dropped about 10mb/s but data speed has increased about 5-7 mb/s
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Once you upgrade to ICS, you cannot downgrade back to GB unless you S-Off your device, just wanted to point that out, proceed with your discussion now.
I'm not sure where to go from here but I'm interested in what everyone else is doing. I still think the Rezound is a decent device but I'm starting to get frustrated. I'm s-off and have bounced between the various JB roms posted on here by our awesome developers. Ultimately - CM just isn't officially supported and I can never find a JB rom that is 100% stable with no random reboots. Unfortunately, with as much I depend on my phone for, this is unacceptable for my daily use device. I'm still on unlimited data.
Here are the options I see:
Keep the Rezound. Revert to Stock. I'd have a stable device with unlimited data but I'm not sure I can go back to ICS at this point.
Am I crazy for considering buying a used Samsung Galaxy Nexus? At least I know I can run stable, updated software on it after unlocking/rooting.
My upgrade isn't due until next March. I could wait and use it but I also think I'm done with the whole subsidized device/2 year agreement thing. Plus I'd lose my unlimited data if I used an upgrade.
Twiddle my thumbs and hope the Nexus 5 is supported on Verizon?
Switch carriers?
Anyone have any thoughts?
Not sure if I have any answers, but I can relate! I am on CM9 because I got tired of reboots and other issues. It's stable anyways... Fortunately for me, I have an upgrade available, but I can't decide between the One and the S4. Huge pros and cons to each device... It's enough to drive a man to Apple! Or maybe I'll just hang here...
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I had to move to Sprint due to reception issues in and around my new house (sucks to lose legacy unlimited data on VZW). Verizon let me leave without penalty even though my contract wasn't up until February of next year. I picked up 2 S4s during the buy one get one free deal that Sprint was running. I still love the Rezound (use it in the house as a wi-fi device), but I really am digging the S4.
I would check this out, if I were you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2419155
I've used previous versions, it's a really well functioning ROM. Everything works, no reboots, etc. You'll want globalmod2 if you're on verizon
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I would check this out, if I were you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2419155
I've used previous versions, it's a really well functioning ROM. Everything works, no reboots, etc. You'll want globalmod2 if you're on verizon
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i cant agree more! awesome rom that keeps my faith in the Rez going!
I'm in the same boat. Right now I'm also on the unlimited data plan and I want to keep it. The Verizon Max plan is nice but I still have the risk of going over the allotted 6GBs of data. I love my rez but the graphics performance and battery life have been really lacking for me. Plus I just moved desks at work and I am now in a dead zone so I can't stream pandora during the day.
So do I stay with verzion and buy an unsubsized phone, do I move carriers like T-Mobile or Sprint who still have unlimited data. I know I know T-Mobile throttles you connection but not until you use 5GBs.
My other question is do people on the unlimited plan qualify for the device payment plan? I would rather keep my plan and just tack a month device payment on top of monthly bill. I just can't warrant spending $600 in one sitting for a phone that might last me a year or two. I would rather buy a new computer or throw that money at my car loan.
T-Mobile no longer throttles you on their unlimited data plan. They stop throttling September 2012.
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Yep...same boat as you. No matter what I tried, the best I could do is go 3-4 days without a reboot. Usually I would get 3-4 a day, and, always at the worst time (like when in a meeting with my boss and he told me to look something up)
I just went back to stock. 3 weeks now and no reboots.
I am loving the stability, but, miss not being "cutting edge" and get pissed off that Verizon EOL'ed this phone so soon after I purchased it.
I may try the rom above...but won't be going back to any JB Roms unless I get a new phone.
I would really try Beanstalk. I've been using it since this version came out (July 26th or so), and have had zero reboots. Maybe try this one last JB rom?
After that, I would consider getting one of the Developer Edition or Google Play edition phones (although they're not on Verizon......argh!)
Beanstalk was my last attempt at a JB rom. It worked better at first but ultimately still degraded into the mess of reboots I'm used to with any JB roms. I switched to this ICS rom yesterday (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2418152) which is just a basic setup. It sucks taking a step backwards but I am seriously enjoying the comfort of rock solid stability. It's nicely optimized stock rom. It's great to just set my phone up for once and not worry about reinstalling or reflashing everything in the near future, in addition.
My next device needs to be something that runs the latest version of Android without the stability drawbacks. Whether that means a Nexus device or at least a device that is officially supported by CM - I guess I'll wait and see.
Ended up switching to the S4, used an upgrade from a different line. Great phone.
Thanks to all the devs for helping me enjoy the Rezound!
I am just trying to gauge what everything thinks about Marshmallow and whether they will hold off on upgrading to a new phone, like the G5. I haven't really noticed anything good or bad from the update so far personally. Are there any known bugs to Marshmallow on the G3? Please vote and let me know your thoughts!
I won't say it brought new life to my phone as it was working just fine under LP, but MM definitely has made things better, but I wasn't going to upgrade anyways. The G3 has been the best Android phone I've had yet and I don't have any pressing needs to upgrade to a new phone (yet).
I switch phones a lot and while Marshmallow convinced me to stay for another month or two I'm currently shopping for my next new/used phone.
Wife and I pre-ordered S7 Edges yesterday.
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I was hanging back on 12B as I'd just heard more complaints than praise for 5.0+
Finally decided to give 6.0 a shot with 46A and I really enjoying the experience. It does feel like new life has been given to my G3. I think I can be happy for a good deal longer and it feels good to be up to date again. Still really love this phone.
Marshmallow Impact
My current Verizon contract is up around the end of July. My recent OTA update to Marshmallow has done none nothing one way or the other to move me towards upgrading my G3 before that date. The d/l and install were flawless and the phone is operating normally with no obvious performance enhancements or detriments that I can notice.
This gives me plenty of time to read actual user reviews of the G5 along with allowing for a price reduction by then so it appears to be a "win/win" situation for me!
Did not vote as none of the four choices worked for my scenario.
I've been a long time advocate of unlocking and rooting my devices, dating back to Windows Mobile. I loved the ability of dump bloated carrier apps, use Titanium BackUp to save and restore apps, and enable root-specific apps and features. Then, about the time I switched to a LG G5, the ability to unlock became a rarity. Around that time, I found that the LG BackUp allowed me to preform an easy restore after a system reset, carrier apps were easier to ignore and I found that rooting wasn't as much of a necessity as I remembered. Fast forward to the news that a method was discovered that allowed almost all V30s to be unlocked and rooted. My question is this: Is it really worth it to unlock and root my phone, or flash a custom ROM when this exploit will undoubtedly be patched soon? This leaves the owner to remain on the outdated firmware, which has possible security risks. Also, rooting the phone will most likely disable Android Pay, which I use regularly. Finally, one of the big selling points of this phone was the two-year warranty, which could be voided if unlocked.
I think it's great that people can finally unlock this phone, but I'd like to know what are the main reasons people are using this method and why they feel that it outweighs the risks. I've been out of the rooting/flashing loop for a while, so I'm looking forward to hearing the responses.
Thanks!
If you think you'll remain on outdated firmware you don't know much about rooting.
ROMs get monthly Android security updates. Does LG do that?
If you want to stay on stock firmware, you can flash any updated KDZ. I've been rooted since January and I flashed Oreo KDZ. I'm currently as updated as LG allows for US998'
You can have all the updates you want. Not sure why you don't think so.
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No rooting doesn't disable Android Pay. That's the whole idea of Magisk.
This topic almost smells of Troll.
ChazzMatt said:
If you think you'll remain on outdated firmware you don't know much about rooting.
ROMs get monthly Android security updates. Does LG do that?
If you want to stay on stock firmware, you had flash any updated KDZ. I've been rooted since January and I flashed Oreo KDZ.
You can have all the updates you want. Not sure why you don't think so.
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No rooting doesn't disable Android Pay. That's the whole idea of Magisk.
This topic almost smells of Troll.
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Sorry... as I said, it's been a while since I rooted a phone, so I was off the mark on the update part. As for Android Pay, the last time I tried to use is on a rooted phone I got a failure notice. I have no idea what Magisk is, so that's exactly why I'm asking my original question. I'm looking for honest answers... not insults.
One other thing that I noticed was that the recommended method was the convert to the US998 Oreo in North America. The G5 I has was the carrier unlocked version which I used on Verizon. While it worked great, a couple features weren't compatible. For example, Advanced Calling only enabled HD Voice. Video Calling was unavailable. Also, Verizon visual voicemail didn't work, so most people switched to Google Voice. That caused issues with call forwarding to my LG Urbane 2. All of this things may have been resolved since then, and if they are please let me know.
ChazzMatt said:
If you think you'll remain on outdated firmware you don't know much about rooting.
ROMs get monthly Android security updates. Does LG do that?
If you want to stay on stock firmware, you can flash any updated KDZ. I've been rooted since January and I flashed Oreo KDZ. I'm currently as updated as LG allows for US998'
You can have all the updates you want. Not sure why you don't think so.
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No rooting doesn't disable Android Pay. That's the whole idea of Magisk.
This topic almost smells of Troll.
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@ChazzMatt, I would not think he's trolling, as I had the very same question. I had rooted all my phones, up to the S8 Plus. Then I got a deal I could not pass on the V30 ($300 in pristine, practically new condition) and it did not take me more than a couple of days to see I liked it way more than the S8 and one of the reasons for that was that I did not feel like I needed to change anything to it. Great performance and sound, almost no bloatware and excellent battery life. So, knowing that the loophole might get patched I did unlock the bootloader but have remained stock, lurking in the rom threads until something compelling arises that make me root and leave stock behind. By the way I must thank you because you have helped so many of us in these guides.
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@ChazzMatt, I would not think he's trolling, as I had the very same question. I had rooted all my phones, up to the S8 Plus. Then I got a deal I could not pass on the V30 ($300 in pristine, practically new condition) and it did not take me more than a couple of days to see I liked it way more than the S8 and one of the reasons for that was that I did not feel like I needed to change anything to it. Great performance and sound, almost no bloatware and excellent battery life. So, knowing that the loophole might get patched I did unlock the bootloader but have remained stock, lurking in the rom threads until something compelling arises that make me root and leave stock behind. By the way I must thank you because you have helped so many of us in these guides.
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Just the ability to cut off most ads with AdAway is compelling enough for me to root, even if it voids the warranty.
Cannot stand all the crass obnoxious ads.
The smartphone hardware is amazingly reliable nowadays, once it survives the infant mortality phase (initial failures). I figure the 30 day return period is there for infant mortality, if the phone makes it past that it is extremely likely to survive 2 years. Especially a phone like the V30 with IP68 and some MIL-STD-810 ruggedness. So in my opinion the warranty risk assumed by rooting is very slight.
(Just spilled milk on my V30S yesterday. Rinsed it off, let it dry, good to go. )
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In case of forgotten WiFi password, Wifi generator will need root and help you see your saved SSID & passwords. If you have a custom kernel, play with CPU governors either for balanced performance/battery life (Does different CPU governors responsible for the UI smoothness but reduce battery life by a few minutes?) I'll take software smoothness over battery life anyday since I carry a powerbank. BBS app needs root to check the wakelocks so that we know what's draining the battery. LG for life. Innovates awesomeness and doesn't copy others is like MERCEDES-BENZ. The Best Or Nothing.
1) Philosophy of ownership.
You paid several hundred dollars for this small handheld computer. And if you are not the "administrator", then you don't really own it. Someone else does, either the manufacturer or the carrier.
In large companies, at all the workplace desktop computers, none of the regular workers are allowed to be "admin" or "administrator". The company doesn't want you installing your own software or uninstalling their software. They often have software to track the computer usage, as it's THEIR computer anyway. You have no rights, no expectation of privacy. You are using their hardware.
At HOME, you are the admin of your own personal computer. You can do whatever you wish. Should be the same with your smartphone.
1.5 years ago Samsung sent a BRICK command via OTA update to their Galaxy 7 Note phones on purpose, to force people to return those phones for a different model. No, not all Galaxy 7 phones had the battery flaw, but Samsung deemed it in THEIR best interest to take back all the Galaxy 7 Note phones and replace them with older Galaxy S7 or S7+ phones. This was only possible because Samsung still REALLY OWNED those phones, even though people had paid several hundred dollars to USE them. Until your phone is rooted, someone else owns the phone.
2) MORE FEATURES
Better audio (Viper, etc), HIM mode on ALL headphones, Wi-Fi passwords remembered and viewable, scheduled auto reboots to clear out RAM and start the day fresh, free ad blocking without having to use VPN. You can install a volume control app that will give you 30 or even 100 volume steps. You can install an xposed mod that will let you change the idiotic battery icons in the status bar.
3) TWRP CUSTOM RECOVERY
The ability to make frequent backups that you can restore in a few minutes is an amazing feature itself. It's like having a time machine to go back before you made a mistake.
You can also use TWRP to flash/install apps and mods to make your phone more fun. Install the fonts/emojis of Android P NOW.
4) TITANIUM BACKUP
Gives you "system level" control to backup and restore previous versions of apps. You can also make some user apps be "system" apps to give them more power (like a camera or volume control app) or you can completely uninstall "system" apps a carrier installed for THEIR benefit, not yours (i.e. bloatware, which they make money on).
MORE later. I have to go to work.
There are workarounds to give you some similar features of root like VPN ad blocking -- but in doing speed tests I have higher pings (more lag) as all data is going through a VPN network before I see it. Pure root is just better, for some many reasons.
Hey. I've seen people waiting eagerly for security updates and complaining about not receiving them on time. But here I am still holding tight to the Feb 2018 firmware/security update! There's no specific reason for that except that I bought the phone from the US and I can't update through OTA (requires AT&T sim to activate OTAs).
So all I did was disable all carrier crap through Adhell3 and forget about firmware updates. I also don't want to do a factory reset, so that's one more reason for not bothering about changing the firmware.
Since I bought the phone the battery is great. Haven't noticed any serious degradation. I'm worried (and I've been stabbed a lot before by other companies) that upgrading the firmware constantly will end up with me stuck with ****ty firmware. Have you heard of Apple's battery scandal? Well, I've witnessed the same practices with some other Android manufacturers. Just 8 months after buying a phone, the battery starts acting like crap.
In short, why do people care a lot about firmware updates? I haven't seen major features being added since the Feb firmware. On the contrary, I've read some posts of people complaining about battery issues after installing the Oct update. I'm not even going to update to Pie until I'm positive that it won't do more damage than actually bringing new features. Upgrading means getting stuck with later firmware and no way to go back.
Hope I'm not mistaken. Cheers.
Two reasons, maybe three:
The one that matters most is the security updates. There are vulnerabilities that have been discovered, and fixed, since last February. You still have those vulnerabilities. If you're careful about where you go on your phone, and what apps you install, this may not be a real big deal. We haven't heard about a ton of hacks on Galaxy S9s.
Two, some updates can add new features or capabilities. You'll miss out on those. But if you're happy with what the phone does now, then that probably doesn't matter.
And three, some people just absolutely must have the latest version to be happy, whether it actually provides any benefit or not.