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I'm thinking of getting the Z2 but I'm worried after seeing how many people have problems with overheating, bad build quality, self cracking so on so forth... I just wanted to know whether every Z2 has these issues or is it a game of luck? And does the batch number have anything to do with these issues? AND, did they fix the camera overheat problem (in normal, non 4k mode) via the updates or no? If not then I think it's... I don't know, lame? there's no other phone, no matter high or low end that can't stay in camera without overheating, I guess we have to pay 700$ to get that exclusive "feature" then.
Also, off topic, how is the speaker quality compared to iPhone 5S and/or Note 3? And is the amp powerful enough to power high end headphones decently?
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I'm thinking of getting the Z2 but I'm worried after seeing how many people have problems with overheating, bad build quality, self cracking so on so forth... I just wanted to know whether every Z2 has these issues or is it a game of luck? And does the batch number have anything to do with these issues? AND, did they fix the camera overheat problem (in normal, non 4k mode) via the updates or no? If not then I think it's... I don't know, lame? there's no other phone, no matter high or low end that can't stay in camera without overheating, I guess we have to pay 700$ to get that exclusive "feature" then.
Also, off topic, how is the speaker quality compared to iPhone 5S and/or Note 3? And is the amp powerful enough to power high end headphones decently?
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It is very obvious and understandable to have this doubt which you are facing right now. I had the similar apprehensions before and also post purchasing the Z2. However, the truth is far from it.
A few points we all need to understand:
1) Users on XDA Z2 forum are only a fraction of all the Z2 owners in the world. The issues depeicted here are majorly very minor when the ratio is compared to the whole lot of Z2s sold so far by Sony.
2) Had it been that majority of Z2s facing the mentioned issues, Sony would have been trashed across all the global forums, blogs and other tech portals.
Camera overheating issue is a bug. Again, this is not so rampant. And not that everyone will use 4k recording all the time for video shooting, as I can say this for all, not all of us own a 4K TV or monitor to enjoy the video. 1080p still serves the purpose.
Speaker quality is great. I say this post comparing it with S5, Iphone5s, Note 3, Nexus. However, you cannot compare it to HTC One (Both M7 &M8).
I hope I could settle a few concerns you had here. I would end saying this. Buy any device, any phone. But only when you are sure about it 100% (50% heart + 50% Mind)
-unease
unease said:
It is very obvious and understandable to have this doubt which you are facing right now. I had the similar apprehensions before and also post purchasing the Z2. However, the truth is far from it.
A few points we all need to understand:
1) Users on XDA Z2 forum are only a fraction of all the Z2 owners in the world. The issues depeicted here are majorly very minor when the ratio is compared to the whole lot of Z2s sold so far by Sony.
2) Had it been that majority of Z2s facing the mentioned issues, Sony would have been trashed across all the global forums, blogs and other tech portals.
Camera overheating issue is a bug. Again, this is not so rampant. And not that everyone will use 4k recording all the time for video shooting, as I can say this for all, not all of us own a 4K TV or monitor to enjoy the video. 1080p still serves the purpose.
Speaker quality is great. I say this post comparing it with S5, Iphone5s, Note 3, Nexus. However, you cannot compare it to HTC One (Both M7 &M8).
I hope I could settle a few concerns you had here. I would end saying this. Buy any device, any phone. But only when you are sure about it 100% (50% heart + 50% Mind)
-unease
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Thanks for replying.
I'm all up for it (heart wise) but the brain part still worries me because I'm not that rich to just get a new flagship after few days because mine is faulty.
My concern about the camera wasn't about the 4K overheating, my brother's Note 3 has 4k too, it NEVER gets used. I'm just worried because I've seen some people both on XDA and other forums/YT having overheating during normal photo shooting in SA mode.
Mk-Raul said:
Thanks for replying.
I'm all up for it (heart wise) but the brain part still worries me because I'm not that rich to just get a new flagship after few days because mine is faulty.
My concern about the camera wasn't about the 4K overheating, my brother's Note 3 has 4k too, it NEVER gets used. I'm just worried because I've seen some people both on XDA and other forums/YT having overheating during normal photo shooting in SA mode.
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Hello there, well so far (I am using the Indian variant D6502 with .314 rom) I haven't had any concerns while using the camera. So can't comment on that. Maybe, you should visit nearest retailer and play around with a demo piece before committing for a purchase.
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Hello . I got my Z2 the other day and no problems. I configurated it, updated to latest firmware, rooted and it's been working great.
I saw some issues with it overheating when charged but I didn't get that. So far no screen crack either.
I was worried about the self cracking as well but in the end I got it anyway. I really hope I won't experience it. I had a Z1 and Z ultra previously who both were great.
The speaker/mic quality sounds worse but I don't really care seeing as I will be talking with a headset anyway.
Ive just got the phone and have it for 4 days now.Switched from Xperia ZR. To be honest yes the phone overheats more when you use the camera,videorecording / 4k or 1080p doesnt metta. (comparing with the ZR). And yes,ive read alot about the cracked screens before taking the phone also but..thats the price for its classy look.you need to be careful even if you take a case / protector. The ZR had the same overheating problems when it first came out but sony gave us an update that fixed it.Soo lets hope they will manage to make 1 for the Z2 too On the other hand the Snapdragon is very close to the camera sensor so thats the thingy thats cousin the overheat.And afterall its an No fan device. Uh and for the speakers,yes,they are nice,but not the best as Unease said,but.still louder than prev Z series.cheerz
Thanks for asking these questions Op as I also have the same concerns about buying the Z2 (as I'm sure many others do as well).
Any large purchase, especially with a 2 year contract, is daunting but rest assured that the vast majority of Z2's are problem free. Certainly my week old model hasn't had any problems.
its only early model xperia Z2s which have problems, and if its a problem then sony has to replace it or repair it since its in the warrenty
All Sony Mobile device issues that are Sonys fault is covered by their 2 year warrenty, and modifacation of the device will result in a warrenty void.
Thanks for all the replies, guys.
I've waited way too long and now it's time for Z3 to be released... I know it doesn't offer much more than Z2 but I'm kinda between 2 rocks at the moment. I'd hate to spend 700$ on a flagship if it's going to be "outdated" after 20 days... I think I will though. :\
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Thanks for all the replies, guys.
I've waited way too long and now it's time for Z3 to be released... I know it doesn't offer much more than Z2 but I'm kinda between 2 rocks at the moment. I'd hate to spend 700$ on a flagship if it's going to be "outdated" after 20 days... I think I will though. :\
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buying a z3 instead of a z2 is pointless, they just look different, not much performance wise
only thing sony is doing with z series is trying to find that perfect phone by trying different things
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buying a z3 instead of a z2 is pointless, they just look different, not much performance wise
only thing sony is doing with z series is trying to find that perfect phone by trying different things
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That's exactly what I think to be honest. And the fact that rumored pictures of Z3 show that the speakers aren't front facing is enough for me to take Z2 instead.
How long do they keep updating their phones? I mean will my Z2 get its updates after Z3? and if it will, will they take ages? I haven't owned an Xperia device so I don't know how their support works for older phones.
Apart from Camera Overheating issue , I have ZERO problems for my phone dated 14 W18.
Mk-Raul said:
That's exactly what I think to be honest. And the fact that rumored pictures of Z3 show that the speakers aren't front facing is enough for me to take Z2 instead.
How long do they keep updating their phones? I mean will my Z2 get its updates after Z3? and if it will, will they take ages? I haven't owned an Xperia device so I don't know how their support works for older phones.
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18 months standard, some devices get more or less depending on their popularity for support time and updates are there when they can update, not tooo often but when a version is busted they try to get another update out as soon as
Mk-Raul said:
Thanks for all the replies, guys.
I've waited way too long and now it's time for Z3 to be released... I know it doesn't offer much more than Z2 but I'm kinda between 2 rocks at the moment. I'd hate to spend 700$ on a flagship if it's going to be "outdated" after 20 days... I think I will though. :\
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If z3 truly is thinner I wouldn't be surprised to see overheating, or at the very least CPU throttling, to be worse than z2
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If z3 truly is thinner I wouldn't be surprised to see overheating, or at the very least CPU throttling, to be worse than z2
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heating is caused by bad motherboard design
cpu is next to the camera, neither have any breathing space for cooler air, hence the extreme heating when not using the camera and even worse with using the camera
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heating is caused by bad motherboard design
cpu is next to the camera, neither have any breathing space for cooler air, hence the extreme heating when not using the camera and even worse with using the camera
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And when you are forced to cram them closer together by having a thinner casing it gets worse, don't forget a waterproof sealed casing has little air movement.
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And when you are forced to cram them closer together by having a thinner casing it gets worse, don't forget a waterproof sealed casing has little air movement.
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there is also no heat pipes like found in HTC or iphones
im hoping sony learns from their mistakes, they are slowly learning from some mistakes but not all, they seem to only listen to the majority of complaints, aka poor camera qualitys, bootloader issues
for some reason not enough people complain about heating and thats one of the biggest issues, yet i see little about this issue
I suspect that's because for MOST users it's not an issue, certainly in the week I've had mine it's got no warmer in general use than my galaxy s3 did, I'll admit I've not done any 4k videoing yet but I've not had any close downs or noticeable throttling.
If all Z2's had problems then mine would as well... But mine doesn't, ergo, not all Z2's have problems...
I was looking into the Xperia Z line because of the IP rating and the awesome battery life.
I hate Samsung and Apple so those phones aren't even going to be on my list of options.
I currently have a HTC One m7ul. I was going to buy a Z3 on Amazon and it goes for around ~$630+ while the Z2 is a more friendly $450+.
They both seem to have very similar specs just with some minor changes. I plan on rooting and flashing to most recent version of Sony's software.
1) Is there really much of a difference between the IP58 (Z2) and IP68 (Z3)? I know what they mean and the numbering system, just don't know if it really will make a difference for me...
2) Is paying ~$150 for the Z3 worth it over the Z2? (To me it doesn't seem so, but if anyone has more insight into this)
3) Does the Z2 have double tap to wake (yes, i know this is very minor, but i love this feature)?
Thanks!
1.IP68
6 is for dust and 8 is for water
Z3 has better dust resistance
Z2 is IP58, less dust resistancy and same water resistancy
2. Z2 will be recieving shortly almost all Z3 features, only difference is design, display and camera
More better camera, higher iso range, 12800 vs Z2 3200
Display, identicle but slightly brighter backlight
3. Z2 has double tap to wake
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1.IP68
6 is for dust and 8 is for water
Z3 has better dust resistance
Z2 is IP58, less dust resistancy and same water resistancy
2. Z2 will be recieving shortly almost all Z3 features, only difference is design, display and camera
More better camera, higher iso range, 12800 vs Z2 3200
Display, identicle but slightly brighter backlight
3. Z2 has double tap to wake
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Thank you! You think I should go with the Z2 and save a little extra cash?
Its honnestly worth it concidering they are simular
Z3 all it has is better camera, brighter backlight and slighly different design for almost %200 the price of Z2
I would take Z2 over Z3 if i was in your place
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1.IP68
6 is for dust and 8 is for water
Z3 has better dust resistance
Z2 is IP58, less dust resistancy and same water resistancy
2. Z2 will be recieving shortly almost all Z3 features, only difference is design, display and camera
More better camera, higher iso range, 12800 vs Z2 3200
Display, identicle but slightly brighter backlight
3. Z2 has double tap to wake
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You're wrong on the camera side Bro! It's iso 12800 vs 6400. Also those high iso values are only available in auto mode and since that's the worst shooting mode on Sony smartphones, I'd say the 12800 thing is just a marketing gimmick. In manual mode both phones have a max iso option of 3200 and then only at 8mp. At full res, they both max out at 800 iso.
The z3 produces sharper photos at full res but as I understand it 4.4.2 has a focusing bug which Google fixed with 4.4.4. Sony obviously didn't compensate for this bug on their 4.4.2 firmware as others did. Also quite a few reviews have claimed the z2's camera to actually perform better especially in video recording. Z3 has a better mic though but the mic on the z2 is said to improve with 4.4.4.
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Chubby_Skunk said:
I was looking into the Xperia Z line because of the IP rating and the awesome battery life.
I hate Samsung and Apple so those phones aren't even going to be on my list of options.
I currently have a HTC One m7ul. I was going to buy a Z3 on Amazon and it goes for around ~$630+ while the Z2 is a more friendly $450+.
They both seem to have very similar specs just with some minor changes. I plan on rooting and flashing to most recent version of Sony's software.
1) Is there really much of a difference between the IP58 (Z2) and IP68 (Z3)? I know what they mean and the numbering system, just don't know if it really will make a difference for me...
2) Is paying ~$150 for the Z3 worth it over the Z2? (To me it doesn't seem so, but if anyone has more insight into this)
3) Does the Z2 have double tap to wake (yes, i know this is very minor, but i love this feature)?
Thanks!
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In terms of ip rating, I doubt users will be able to tell the difference. The z2 survived 6 weeks in sea water. I think that should be fine for anyone lol
Is the z3 worth $150 more than z2? Emphatically NO! The most I'd pay extra for rounded sides and brighter display is maybe $40. That's being generous actually. I also prefer the colour calibration of z2's display. Much warmer than the colder z3.
The z2 has double tap to wake and will soon be on par softwarewise with the z3 once it gets the 4.4.4 update up to and including ps4 remote play.
My advice is wait for z4 in a few months but if you want to take the plunge now, go with z2. Z3 is over priced. It's in the same category of smartphone as z2,m8,s5 and g3 and it's price will drop in line with those soon enough.
Save yourself the $150. Spend it elsewhere. Why give it to Sony for rounded sides?
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zodiac100 said:
You're wrong on the camera side Bro! It's iso
Save yourself the $150. Spend it elsewhere. Why give it to Sony for rounded sides?
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If i understanded right your saying its pointless going for both Z2 or Z3
It would make sense, but seeing Z4 probably being the same as Z3
Id say just go for a ZU or Z at this point, both are cheaper and both are quite nice devices, Z1 i didnt like so much
(its morning time excuse my reading skills)
Envious_Data said:
If i understanded right your saying its pointless going for both Z2 or Z3
It would make sense, but seeing Z4 probably being the same as Z3
Id say just go for a ZU or Z at this point, both are cheaper and both are quite nice devices, Z1 i didnt like so much
(its morning time excuse my reading skills)
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Not saying it's pointless. At this point with the z4 only months away, I'd recommend waiting to see that but if one had to make a choice now, I'd say go with z2. You'll get essentially the same package and user experience for a lot less.
Z and Z1 lack ips live colour led panels and don't have a lot of software features available on the newer models so unless you're after a bargain I wouldn't go with either of those.
I suppose my advice is, go with z2 now or wait for z4. Z3 is over priced!
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zodiac100 said:
Not saying it's pointless. At this point with the z4 only months away, I'd recommend waiting to see that but if one had to make a choice now, I'd say go with z2. You'll get essentially the same package and user experience for a lot less.
Z and Z1 lack ips live colour led panels and don't have a lot of software features available on the newer models so unless you're after a bargain I wouldn't go with either of those.
I suppose my advice is, go with z2 now or wait for z4. Z3 is over priced!
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Agreed
Z2 or Z4
Im not sure about it being a few months away because sony was playing with the idea of 1 year instead of 6 months and it came through a couple times on their social networking pages
Envious_Data said:
Agreed
Z2 or Z4
Im not sure about it being a few months away because sony was playing with the idea of 1 year instead of 6 months and it came through a couple times on their social networking pages
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I've heard that too but trust me if Sony's going to can any of its flagship releases, it'll be the September IFA releases and not the MWC release. There's no way they'll wait until September 2015 to launch a new flashship. They need to have something to go up against the likes of the S6,M9 and G4.
The z3 doesn't stand a chance against any of those. It's already lower specced than the note 4 and even nexus 6.
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I dont know if the thread is over or not but id like to say that the Z2 is an excellant phone, i got mine a month ago, the display is sharp, it never lags and the battery life still amazes me, today I was travelling all day listening to music , playing games and taking photographs from 7:30 A.M and now at 8:00 its at 30%, it is still an excellant phone to this day and i would highly recommend it
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Agreed
Z2 or Z4
Im not sure about it being a few months away because sony was playing with the idea of 1 year instead of 6 months and it came through a couple times on their social networking pages
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I've heard that too but trust me if Sony's going to can any of its flagship releases, it'll be the September IFA releases and not the MWC release. There's no way they'll wait until September 2015 to launch a new flashship. They need to have something to go up against the likes of the S6,M9 and G4.
The z3 doesn't stand a chance against any of those. It's already lower specced than the note 4 and even nexus 6.
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I would like to wait for the Z4, but isn't that going to end up being $700+ on launch?? I don't get phones on contract so that generally why i wanted to go with the Z2 in the first place, other than the fact that the Z3 isn't much of an upgrade over the Z2.
I decided to change mi phone (Z1 compact), but I'm very exigent and the rest of the "mini" models are extremely poor in specs, build quality, well in everything. I have to mention that my gadgets lives in an Android/Windows ecosystem.
IMO the models to choose would be the Z5 compact or Z3 compact. But It's because I don't know if there are better models on sale or coming.
I'll list the technologies I'm interested in.
Longest battery life
IPXX Certification
Magnetic/fast charging
Aptx/High-res Audio codecs
5 poles audio jack
Memory card support
ac WiFi/ LTE cat 6
FullHD Camera + the best focus at night
The fastest mobile GPU available
Mini/Compact body desing
What's your suggestion??
Thanks.
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I decided to change mi phone (Z1 compact), but I'm very exigent and the rest of the "mini" models are extremely poor in specs, build quality, well in everything. I have to mention that my gadgets lives in an Android/Windows ecosystem.
IMO the models to choose would be the Z5 compact or Z3 compact. But It's because I don't know if there are better models on sale or coming.
I'll list the technologies I'm interested in.
Longest battery life YES
IPXX Certification YES
Magnetic/fast charging YES
Aptx/High-res Audio codecs YES
5 poles audio jack YES
Memory card support YES
ac WiFi/ LTE cat 6 YES
FullHD Camera + the best focus at night YES
The fastest mobile GPU available YES
Mini/Compact body desing YES
What's your suggestion??
Thanks.
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SO YES Upgrade to XZ5c
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[email protected] said:
I decided to change mi phone (Z1 compact), but I'm very exigent and the rest of the "mini" models are extremely poor in specs, build quality, well in everything. I have to mention that my gadgets lives in an Android/Windows ecosystem.
IMO the models to choose would be the Z5 compact or Z3 compact. But It's because I don't know if there are better models on sale or coming.
I'll list the technologies I'm interested in.
Longest battery life
IPXX Certification
Magnetic/fast charging
Aptx/High-res Audio codecs
5 poles audio jack
Memory card support
ac WiFi/ LTE cat 6
FullHD Camera + the best focus at night
The fastest mobile GPU available
Mini/Compact body desing
What's your suggestion??
Thanks.
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Bro, just get the Z5 compact......unless if you are picky on the design and pricey, then get the Z3 compact
Okay
So guys are you saying that there are not another devices with those features??
In a positive way, I'm right with my idea.
In a negative way, the rest of the manufactures dissapointed me :'(
Thank you so much.
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So guys are you saying that there are not another devices with those features??
In a positive way, I'm right with my idea.
In a negative way, the rest of the manufactures dissapointed me :'(
Thank you so much.
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That's true at this moment. The manufacturers are all looking for the big screens.[emoji174]
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I went from Google Nexus 5 to z5c because I felt I wanted a smaller phone. Even though the difference is not that big, it feels a lot smaller and looks a lot better.
To answer your question, I found z5c to be one of the only small phones compared to all other phones out there. It feels good in my hand, I can reach the whole screen and it is very good looking. The size is the same as z3c but with better specs and new design on the outside. If the price is a big deal, go with z3c. If not, go with z5c. It is about the same size as iPhone 5s, slightly thicker. Holding it in my hand, I recommend it. Keep in mind that I got it this Monday, I have only had it for two days. Wait a few weeks until all the cons have appeared.
Only drawback so far, the placed the volume button at a very awkward location, below the lock button..
Unfortunately, the Z5 compact is the only hi-end (2015) Android phone with small size. Your other 2015 option is the iPhone 6S but it has a totally different OS as you probably know.
Other old options are:
Z3 compact: still a good phone, still supported, not too old.
Moto X 2013: small with excellent grip and battery life, awesome phone, but I think it's no longed maintained.
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I went from Google Nexus 5 to z5c because I felt I wanted a smaller phone. Even though the difference is not that big, it feels a lot smaller and looks a lot better.
To answer your question, I found z5c to be one of the only small phones compared to all other phones out there. It feels good in my hand, I can reach the whole screen and it is very good looking. The size is the same as z3c but with better specs and new design on the outside. If the price is a big deal, go with z3c. If not, go with z5c. It is about the same size as iPhone 5s, slightly thicker. Holding it in my hand, I recommend it. Keep in mind that I got it this Monday, I have only had it for two days. Wait a few weeks until all the cons have appeared.
Only drawback so far, the placed the volume button at a very awkward location, below the lock button..
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Yeah, I read that about the volume button position. But, Ok, it's nothing really severe.
I'm coming from a Nexus 5 too. Do you feel the camera better or worse? (I really like the HDR+ quality of the Nexus 5).
I have moved from Z3c into Z5c and I can't complain. The only issue i have is its little but slippy but my old iPhone was that too.
Build quality is very good as well as screen and speakers (which are btw louder than in Z3c)
New UI looks more vanilla which if you are Nexus fan a good think (I am )
I havent tested camera yet nor battery life but it drops around 4% in 7 hours standby (considering push emails, bt on)
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Moto X 2013: small with excellent grip and battery life, awesome phone, but I think it's no longed maintained.
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I recently sold an unlocked Moto X 2013 and it had Lollipop on it. I doubt it will get updated again but it was good to get it to 5.1.
About z5c vs nexus 5 camera: I can't compare because after I dropped my nexus, the camera became useless. It could not focus anymore.
Hi guys, I am undecided between z3c and z5c and I don't know what to choose. I know that if I wanna be sure about battery I should choose z3c but for a future proof phone I should go for z5c which is a real good upgrade of z3c in everything except probably the cpu that is almost a downgrade. What do you guys suggest to this poor guy? I've got another question. This time I read that you can unlock the bootloader easier. Do you lose the drm if you do that and do you lose any feature if you lose it? Like low light post processing or stuff like that that happens on z3c?
Same as all xperias, you will lose low light in camera and some image/screen enhancements, but there is way to get them back with fixed stock/custom kernel
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I have my experience with both.
I left Z3C just because of louisy build quality - 4 times display assembly peeled off the body (within 1y!) which automatically means no water proof and sooner later
also problems with low upper speaker volume and unreliable proximity sensor.
Could be that many people even do not realize it but problem with Z3C build quality is there in every piece, it's simply not sturdy enough design.
Beside that was Z3C really great phone but build quality sucks.
Thus I got my money back and switched to Z5C.
Some things are worse - slightly worse battery life (MM) but still high above average, gets easier warm - well known problem with 810
Many things are better - sturdy build quality, audio quality, camera, no cover on USB, no fingerprints on back, GPS is great
Fingerprint reader sucks but I don't care (XPOSED + NoLockHome works great for me).
Frankly speaking, I was really skeptical whether swiching from Z3C to Z5C is a good step while reading many negative feedback
and coments from disappointed users.
And you know what? I am really happy I decided to go for that. :good:
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Hi guys, I am undecided between z3c and z5c and I don't know what to choose. I know that if I wanna be sure about battery I should choose z3c but for a future proof phone I should go for z5c which is a real good upgrade of z3c in everything except probably the cpu that is almost a downgrade. What do you guys suggest to this poor guy? I've got another question. This time I read that you can unlock the bootloader easier. Do you lose the drm if you do that and do you lose any feature if you lose it? Like low light post processing or stuff like that that happens on z3c?
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your better off with the z5c.....Its a good phone, sure it has its pros and cons but it still a great phone. Price of it should go down more since theres rumors that a new "compact phone" known as the "X Compact" is gotta be released in September
The Z3/Z3c is very easy to get touch screen problem and Sony officially said that Z3c no Android 7.0 few days ago so I'll say stick with Z5c for future proof.
Z5c battery performance is identical to my Z1c, not as good as Z3c but above average. Rear and face camera is Z5c better especially Z5c face camera is 5MP while Z3c only 2MP, Z5c screen and speaker should be improved too.
We can backup TA partition before unlock BL now no avoid warranty. We also got DRM patch so after rooted no downgrade low light camera quality. After rooted and lower CPU clock or apply thermal patch, the hot issue is more acceptable now.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned about this phone being overpriced, I already have the LG G5 and the X Performance, was thinking about getting this, but now I have to reconsidered, Hong Kong is selling this for HKD4198, which translate about USD540, I was expecting it to be about USD 350 to 400.
kms108 said:
Not sure if anyone has mentioned about this phone being overpriced, I already have the LG G5 and the X Performance, was thinking about getting this, but now I have to reconsidered, Hong Kong is selling this for HKD4198, which translate about USD540, I was expecting it to be about USD 350 to 400.
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Real street price in the whole Hong Kong down to 3798 now but I think still a bit high but more accepatble now.
TheEndHK said:
Real street price in the whole Hong Kong down to 3798 now but I think still a bit high but more accepatble now.
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I will probably let the price drop before I go for it.
I returned my Z5 Compact for a full refund (charger wouldn't go in any more) and the X Compact was exactly the same price (£360). Otherwise I would not have gotten the X Compact. Hopefully they figure out a locked bootloader root for Android N though!
Personally I'd go for it.. Mine was worth every penny. The camera seems a huge improvement over the z5 and it runs so smooth, could easily be fooled in thinking it has 820 snapdragon.
I consistently get 5-6+ hours SOT too, with heavy usage.
Here in Sweden the XC has basically the same price as the Z5C - which one would you go for? I'm tempted to take the Z5C because we have root and some mods and 4K videos - but the XC seems to have the better camera overall..
Hey Guys! I'm planning to get the X Compact to replace my Z3 Compact as my second phone, is the battery life good? Or possibly even better than the Z3's?
Thanks in advance
Revontheus said:
Hey Guys! I'm planning to get the X Compact to replace my Z3 Compact as my second phone, is the battery life good? Or possibly even better than the Z3's?
Thanks in advance
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I don't own the phone but I've been reading plenty of reviews and stats. the battery on the XC is quite worse than the Z3C and even than the Z5C, but it will still get you comfortably through the day. That said, battery on the Z3c was stellar, I owned one myself.
charliebigpot said:
I don't own the phone but I've been reading plenty of reviews and stats. the battery on the XC is quite worse than the Z3C and even than the Z5C, but it will still get you comfortably through the day. That said, battery on the Z3c was stellar, I owned one myself.
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Ohh, thanks! I guess for now I'll save my cash for a better phone. Probably a non sony one, Idk what happened with their devices, their flagships have less battery and they justify it with "Qnovo" technology.
I hope Sony returns to the way they were before
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Ohh, thanks! I guess for now I'll save my cash for a better phone. Probably a non sony one, Idk what happened with their devices, their flagships have less battery and they justify it with "Qnovo" technology.
I hope Sony returns to the way they were before
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out of curiosity, what's your primary phone and what would you consider as alternative to the x compact?
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out of curiosity, what's your primary phone and what would you consider as alternative to the x compact?
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My Primary phone is currently the S7 Exynos, it used to be the Z3 Compact and I had the Z1 Compact as my secondary ( before I sold it ). Not advertising here or anything but I suggest for now you try different brands, since Sony atm is overpriced, you could get a significantly better device for like half the price of their current flagships.
A good alternative to the X Compact if you are looking for a compact phone would be the Z5 Compact. It has better community support and generally is a faster phone compared to the X Compact, otherwise I'd recommend the S7 Exynos or the G5, both are great phones for their price, especially the G5 which is kind of cheap right now compared to other flagships. The removable battery is also a plus.
charliebigpot said:
Here in Sweden the XC has basically the same price as the Z5C - which one would you go for? I'm tempted to take the Z5C because we have root and some mods and 4K videos - but the XC seems to have the better camera overall..
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Z5c got TA backup so no void warranty with root and started to have some mods or customer kenerl/rom to flash now. But that phone real gets hot without thermal mod and stock camera bad without mod camera, with rooting the phone is good to use, without root no doubt XC is better.
Camera is the most important thing to me. I'm also thinking to up to XC for the laser focus and IR sensor but after used the Z5c mod cam, my plan is pushed back bcoz the z5c cam is better now. I'll wait for XC price go down next year.
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Ohh, thanks! I guess for now I'll save my cash for a better phone. Probably a non sony one, Idk what happened with their devices, their flagships have less battery and they justify it with "Qnovo" technology.
I hope Sony returns to the way they were before
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I had the Z5C for a year, the XC is faster and has a comfortably better battery life versus the Z5C.
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Revontheus said:
My Primary phone is currently the S7 Exynos, it used to be the Z3 Compact and I had the Z1 Compact as my secondary ( before I sold it ). Not advertising here or anything but I suggest for now you try different brands, since Sony atm is overpriced, you could get a significantly better device for like half the price of their current flagships.
A good alternative to the X Compact if you are looking for a compact phone would be the Z5 Compact. It has better community support and generally is a faster phone compared to the X Compact, otherwise I'd recommend the S7 Exynos or the G5, both are great phones for their price, especially the G5 which is kind of cheap right now compared to other flagships. The removable battery is also a plus.
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Have you actually owned either the Z5C or the XC? Because it's extremely obvious the X Compact is faster.
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I had the Z5C for a year, the XC is faster and has a comfortably better battery life versus the Z5C.
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Have you actually owned either the Z5C or the XC? Because it's extremely obvious the X Compact is faster.
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The XC is faster on benchmarks sure, but its because of the newer architecture and benchmarks don't matter when using phones. Especially when they're both essentially running premium hardware. You're not building a gaming computer here, what matters here is real world usage and both phones perform really fast and the difference is barely noticeable if not almost non-existent. That being said the X Compact's "faster" performance on benchmarks doesn't justify its 499$ Price Tag ( Amazon ) while you could get the Z5 Compact for a hundred dollars less Z5 Compact 399$ ( Amazon ). That being said both devices would perform equally in a sense when in real world usage, so It would really be impractical to throw a hundred more bucks.
This is just my opinion though, I'm not saying the X Compact is a bad device, in fact it looks beautiful and performs beautifully but sadly with that price I believe Sony ( or other manufacturers ) have better offerings for a lower price tag.
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The XC is faster on benchmarks sure, but its because of the newer architecture and benchmarks don't matter when using phones. Especially when they're both essentially running premium hardware. You're not building a gaming computer here, what matters here is real world usage and both phones perform really fast and the difference is barely noticeable if not almost non-existent. That being said the X Compact's "faster" performance on benchmarks doesn't justify its 499$ Price Tag ( Amazon ) while you could get the Z5 Compact for a hundred dollars less Z5 Compact 399$ ( Amazon ). That being said both devices would perform equally in a sense when in real world usage, so It would really be impractical to throw a hundred more bucks.
This is just my opinion though, I'm not saying the X Compact is a bad device, in fact it looks beautiful and performs beautifully but sadly with that price I believe Sony ( or other manufacturers ) have better offerings for a lower price tag.
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I thought the Z5C has better benchmarks? I don't really pay attention to benchmarks, all I really care about is real world usage. It's easy to spot that the X Compact is faster than the Z5 Compact in real world usage.
In the UK, on amazon, the X Compact is cheaper than the Z5C. I returned my Z5C because the charger wouldn't go in, if the Z5C was the same price I would've gotten that but I'm glad I didn't.
I think the Z5C is much more beautiful than the X Compact. X compact is easier to hold though.
I agree about the price tag (mine cost £360, exactly what I paid for the Z5C last year). There is definitely better phones for the money, but I have small hands
http://www.androidauthority.com/snapdragon-652-vs-802-whats-difference-686684/
Z5c SD810 got a much faster GPU over XC SD650 before it suffered from heating issue. XC is faster bcoz it got 3GB ram in multi-tasking or play resources hogging games. I've played XZ and XC in phone store, I don't think normal use XC faster actually I felt Z5c is acting faster with it's unbeatable gpu. And yes, I think XC is quite ugly.....
charliebigpot said:
I don't own the phone but I've been reading plenty of reviews and stats. the battery on the XC is quite worse than the Z3C and even than the Z5C, but it will still get you comfortably through the day. That said, battery on the Z3c was stellar, I owned one myself.
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I do own the phone, and the battery gives me several days which includes playing videos via 4g, number of phone calls constant data push notifications for emails etc.
I've not even started to tweak it yet as I don't feel the need. I've read a number of these reviews too, and things like 'the battery capacity is lower than [insert whatever]. A direct compare clearly isn't taking into account the fact that the XC sips its power carefully, rather than drinking pints at a time.
flyinglow said:
I do own the phone, and the battery gives me several days which includes playing videos via 4g, number of phone calls constant data push notifications for emails etc.
I've not even started to tweak it yet as I don't feel the need. I've read a number of these reviews too, and things like 'the battery capacity is lower than [insert whatever]. A direct compare clearly isn't taking into account the fact that the XC sips its power carefully, rather than drinking pints at a time.
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Agree. I charged my phone on Friday, was out for the whole weekend and only needed to charge it on Monday (this is with Google now turned off and email on manual checking).
With google now and email push I get 2.5 days of charge. Battery life is insane on this phone.
I don't know why people who don't own the phone feel like they're in a position to offer opinions or advice to other people.
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That being said both devices would perform equally in a sense when in real world usage, so It would really be impractical to throw a hundred more bucks.
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In real worlds usage XC is comfortably faster, do you even own this phone? Because it's very obvious it's much faster.
Revontheus said:
The XC is faster on benchmarks sure, but its because of the newer architecture and benchmarks don't matter when using phones. Especially when they're both essentially running premium hardware. You're not building a gaming computer here, what matters here is real world usage and both phones perform really fast and the difference is barely noticeable if not almost non-existent. That being said the X Compact's "faster" performance on benchmarks doesn't justify its 499$ Price Tag ( Amazon ) while you could get the Z5 Compact for a hundred dollars less Z5 Compact 399$ ( Amazon ). That being said both devices would perform equally in a sense when in real world usage, so It would really be impractical to throw a hundred more bucks.
This is just my opinion though, I'm not saying the X Compact is a bad device, in fact it looks beautiful and performs beautifully but sadly with that price I believe Sony ( or other manufacturers ) have better offerings for a lower price tag.
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The price of the XC is now $449. This makes it a no brainer imo. The z5c I had was slow as molasses
kms108 said:
Not sure if anyone has mentioned about this phone being overpriced, I already have the LG G5 and the X Performance, was thinking about getting this, but now I have to reconsidered, Hong Kong is selling this for HKD4198, which translate about USD540, I was expecting it to be about USD 350 to 400.
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I have just bough one from eBay (brand new, sealed, two years warranty) for 361€. In Amazon UK now it's priced £359.99. The best money I've ever spent on phones.