Hey guys,
So I have been playing around with the camera on my Z Ultra and I wanted to share a few things with you.
1. DO NOT use Superior Auto at all!!
It destroys pretty much every photo and has too much noise and no sharpness. It's just shockingly bad.
2. Always use normal shooting mode.
3. Become comfortable adjusting settings and actually getting to know the camera so you know when to use appropriate ISO etc.
4. Adjust ISO yourself and keep it at 400 or below. Use in combination with HDR for some very pleasing results.
Those are the 4 most important tips I think. Never ever ever use superior auto. The results with normal mode are very crisp and have lots of sharpness and contrast.
Overall the camera I believe is better than the Xperia Z. I own both and with the right settings, the Z Ultras images appear sharper.
I'll post a few examples.
Thanks and how are you all liking the camera so far?
Sent from my Sony Xperia Z Ultra
Here are a few examples.
1 taking with Superior Auto. The other taking with Normal mode on ISO 100.
Be sure to zoom.in on the bottle. You can see so much noise on the photo taking with Superior Auto.
Hopefully the results speak for themselves
If you want other photos I'll be happy to provide them.
Sent from my Sony Xperia Z Ultra
Way to much red in the photos taken with Superior Auto. Hopefully Sony will fix this in the next update. Btw, do you have the old Sony UI or the new one? (Old has a dark settings menu, while the new one is white)
I have the Old UI with the Bravia Engine 2.
New UI should be released in about a months time. Hopefully sooner
When are you buying your Ultra?
Sent from my Sony Xperia Z Ultra
ScottishSwan said:
I have the Old UI with the Bravia Engine 2.
New UI should be released in about a months time. Hopefully sooner
When are you buying your Ultra?
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I'm buying it as soon as it hits the stores in Norway, which i believe is in the first week of september(?), like the rest of Europe.
Unless a different beast emerges from the depths of hell somewhere, that is (which i highly doubt, so ZU it is.)
Is it not the last week of September it gets released in Europe?
Its funny right now, I am slowly becoming to accept the Z Ultras size as normal and the 6.4" display as normal.
Even when I pick up a 5" device now, it feels so tiny!! Haha
Sent from my Sony Xperia Z Ultra
According to news sources, the release date for europe is september 6th.
I had the same experience when i got my Note. I came from the Desire HD with a 4.3" display, so the Note's size was ridiculous at that time, and i remember laughing my ass of when i unboxed it! Now? Not big at all. It's the same thing with the iPhone. I had the first gen. from the states and a 3GS, and they were really big at the time, but i just laugh at its tiny body now
When do you think phones will stop growing? I imagine 7" with almost no bezels at all will be the limit.
Unboxing my Ultra though, I did laugh when I seen it and my first day carrying it to work etc, quite a surprise haha.
Me personally I love big phones though, can never understand people who say they don't want anything bigger than 4.5 - 4.7 inches.
Sent from my Sony Xperia Z Ultra
Good question, and i have no idea, but i think we are near the limit now. IF the OEM's are planning on something even bigger, then i guess they'll have to make them without any bezels. That would be awesome and i guess a little science fiction looking
Something like this:
ScottishSwan said:
Is it not the last week of September it gets released in Europe?
Its funny right now, I am slowly becoming to accept the Z Ultras size as normal and the 6.4" display as normal.
Even when I pick up a 5" device now, it feels so tiny!! Haha
Sent from my Sony Xperia Z Ultra
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I agree. I love big devices and my Xperia Z feels really tiny in comparison but one thing is for sure: I think the Ultra is the biggest size that a phablet can have and still being pocketable.
It fits my pockets but I notice that I can't carry a bigger device in them. The future development could be smaller bezels and therefore perhaps a 6,8 and perhaps even a 7 inch screen. I would even guess that the small tablets like the Nexus 7 will be replaced by phablets with the same screen size but smaller body (Ultra size).
So the future market will offer phablets up to 7 inch, then tablets starting at 8 inches and upwards followed by dockable "tablets" with screens of 12 inches and bigger. The small tablet is going to become a phablet - adding smaller bezels and a smaller body to the existing 7 inch screen and putting a dialer on is a straight forward development, especially when the Nexus 7 has connectivity to mobile networks already and the old Galaxy Tab could make calls.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 2014 edition of the Nexus 7 will be a phablet and that Sony are creating a partly new market with the Z Ultra.
Coming from iPhone 5, the UZ produces astoundingly bad overprocessed images. What's coming off the sensor is actually pretty good as you can see if you shoot in burst mode since that is the only setting that doesn't add a massive sharpness filter to the output. All other modes are crap. Massive over sharpening and then saving at what has to be 50% jpg quality. I don't get the mentality of putting in user defined ISO settings but forcing sharpening and jpg quality.
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Coming from iPhone 5, the UZ produces astoundingly bad overprocessed images. What's coming off the sensor is actually pretty good as you can see if you shoot in burst mode since that is the only setting that doesn't add a massive sharpness filter to the output. All other modes are crap. Massive over sharpening and then saving at what has to be 50% jpg quality. I don't get the mentality of putting in user defined ISO settings but forcing sharpening and jpg quality.
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I do not have these issues. The only problems i have is when the phone is using Superior Auto.
Any other mode is perfectly sharp and noise free. I have also compared it to my iPhone 5 and the photos are very very comparable when you get the settings right.
Please tell me the about camera settings for best output of images in Xperia Z Ultra .. i donno how to configure my z ultra for best output images .. so please any one help abt best camera settings
Xperia Z Ultra said:
Please tell me the about camera settings for best output of images in Xperia Z Ultra .. i donno how to configure my z ultra for best output images .. so please any one help abt best camera settings
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sounds like u need a crash course on photography instead.
Xperia Z Ultra said:
Please tell me the about camera settings for best output of images in Xperia Z Ultra .. i donno how to configure my z ultra for best output images .. so please any one help abt best camera settings
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1. Always set the camera to Normal mode.
2. Set the ISO at a maximum of 400 and not higher.
3. Use HDR on occasions where it might be needed.
On those settings you will get sharp images. Of course, you have to learn the camera a little yourself too.
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Please tell me the about camera settings for best output of images in Xperia Z Ultra .. i donno how to configure my z ultra for best output images .. so please any one help abt best camera settings
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Frankly, that's not how you learn stuff. What's wrong with just experimenting like normal people do?
Excuse Peppa pig, this was ISO 200, hdr with center focusing
Sent from my C6802 using Tapatalk 4
Looking good
What are your thoughts on the camera?
Sent from my Sony Xperia Z Ultra
Does it miss not having any kind of flash?
Super Chimp said:
Does it miss not having any kind of flash?
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For me personally, in the 10 days I have owned the Z Ultra I have not missed flash at all.
Sent from my Sony Xperia Z Ultra
I'm well aware of the specs and I have been wanting to get a Z ultra for quite some time but I have waited until now.
Hands down, I like the bigger screen on the Z Ultra and the price of it makes it even more enticing. Where as the Z2 has faster/newer internals(CPU, etc.), better camera, and a flash(I'm so annoyed by the ZU not having a flash! I used the led flash as a flashlight all the time), but at a more expensive price.
What's your guys' take on it? Waiting is kind of out of the question(I heard about the Z3X which sounds like my next phone after this one... I don't like paying premiums for new releases)... I prefer something stable and working decently out of the box(I know, this is xda).
Key points:
Z Ultra:
+Price is lower
+Bigger screen
-slower
-worse camera, no flash
Z2:
+Faster/updated internals
+better camera
-costs more
Also, I heard there was a decent note taking app from Sony for the Z Ultra, where you could use a stylus and take notes(sort of like the Samsung Galaxy Note series), is that app available for the Z2 as well(anyone happen to know?)?
Thanks in advance, I appreciate any input. What's your take on it? I think I could go either way, I hear about lag on both units(I'm sure rooting can help, but I might keep it simple for now and use it out of the box for rooting/modding).
I happens to have a Z2 here (it is not mine but I got the responsibility to configure it) and all I can say is that it is a great device BUT wouldn't dream about replacing my Ultra. My Ultra is very smooth (CandyKat at the moment with GreatDevs V1 and OC to 2.46 GHz) and the only benefit I can see with the Z2 is more or less the camera when I make the comparison.
I am not talking down the Z2 when I say this but the Ultra offer a great package with a screen that make it a tablet replacement. The Z2 on the other hand is a great device for a person that has a Z today (which I also have) and I would recommend it warmly... if there wasn't an Ultra in the house (or rather two).
Since I read a lot and browse the Internet and so forth, the big screen of the Ultra wins me over - hands down.
camera camera camera. if you want to take even one photo then z2. i own a ultra as a backup to my note 4. the camera on the ultra is really just sad. but everything else is great.
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camera camera camera. if you want to take even one photo then z2. i own a ultra as a backup to my note 4. the camera on the ultra is really just sad. but everything else is great.
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The camera is poor in poor light but otherwise is not that bad other than over sharpining of the jpg
a buddy of mine has the z2...
i bought a z ultra like 2 weeks ago since its even cheaper than the original z
he saw it today and now he wants to replace his z2 with an z ultra
he doesn't use the camera and also he doesnt game much
camera would be my only concern though
also the led flash, if you just wanna have a flashlight, you can the big screen, its decent enough for finding your stuff in the dark
cant talk about hickups since i dont run stock (and never will / or did)
both phones seem blazing fast to me, i really dont think the performance of the z2 is much better
my last phones were a htc magic and galaxy s-plus, just so u know
also i have to say, since i got the ultra, i don't want to use any smaller phone anymore.. they seem so small and bad to use
Thanks to everyone who responded!
Helps a lot. It seems like the more I hear from Z Ultra users, the more I hear about how they love the device despite it's shortcomings(ie: camera and no flash).
I agree, once you behold such a big screen it's hard to go back!
How is battery life? And just to throw it out there, what are some of the custom roms you guys recommend that may improve the battery life/performance?
I was slightly concerned that the slower cpu/gpu might affect performance, and I was going to try to avoid custom roms for the sake of simplicity, but haha, it seems to be unavoidable with most devices I get.
You can slash "Slower" right away. If you care about games, the Z ultra is better desipite having an Older SoC, simply because of its Size.
Besides, even in stock rom, I experience no lags, even with the stock launcher, im in 4.4.4.
Get the Z2 If you want relatively smaller phone, 5 coll isnt really "Small" but compared to the Z ultra, it is.
The camera in the Z2 is also better and has flash LEd.
You should ask yourself, do you want a one handed phone thats fairly recent and a good camera or a 2 handed one, which is amaizing for multi media and reading.
Considering the price of the ZU, you get a premium phone for an amaizing price, just dont treat this phone as a normal phone, it might not fit in the pockets.
I love my ZU.
I snooze I lose, I should've gotten a Z Ultra from the Sony store US site while I still had the chance for it's great price, now it's gone and taken off the site. Now, I'm only looking at the Z2, and behold, my waiting has resulted in the Z2 being back ordered. I could really use a phone by mid January. So I'm still open, but the ZU is probably a closed door for me unless I can find it brand new for a great price and with a warranty. I'm also looking at the LG G pro 2(but it's really pricey for the F530-US At&t compatible LTE) or even a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 (the price has really fallen on that phone lately).
A lot of people are having this problem right now as ZU gotten much cheaper. First of all you should decide what's most important for you in your smartphone and how you're going to use it. Both are really great but designed for different kind of people. To help you choose, I'll give you some pros and cons of both devices.
Xperia Z Ultra (I own standard edition but this will mostly apply to GPE as well)
Pros:
- huge screen, which makes browsing the web and watching the movies very comfortable,
- excellent performance in applications and games, backed up by nicely optimized system and solid stock kernel,
- because of it's size ZU doesn't throttle, which is not common in most of the high end 5 inch +/- smartphones packed with Snapdragon 800+, including Xperia Z2, (actually ZU does throttle but just a little, which is not event felt in games)
- operating temperatures are acceptable during stress, which makes sure that battery and hardware will last a little longer (especially non replaceable battery),
- very solid stand by and calling battery life,
- excellent microphone which makes calls really great,
- it's very cheap, considering how premium it's.
Cons:
- lack of flash, this is a problem if you want to make a photos in bad lighting conditions or you need a lighter,
- still photos quality is decent, improved auto mode is kind of useless and makes photos with huge amount of noise. You can
make some of the nice photos during day out of the ZU using manual settings though, photos made in poor lighting conditions are out of question,
- it's too big to use single handed (unless you have huge hands) and you might have some problems putting it in your pocket, might be too heavy for some people,
- front camera is pretty bad,
- battery life is at best only decent, if you're using a lot of screen, you'll need to charge everyday,
- speakers could be louder.
Xperia Z2:
Pros:
- Excellent cameras, still photos and recordings have amazing quality, both selfie and back camera,
- Can record very detailed 4K videos,
- It's much more handy and can be used single handed without problems, it's also much lighter than ZU and easilly pocketable,
- Pretty great battery life, especially with screen on, in some cases almost 2 times better than ZU,
- Speaker is much louder and call quality is also very good,
- It has 3 GB of ram,
- Propably it will be updated to 5.0 faster than ZU.
Cons:
- it has updated specs but in real usage it's weaker than Z Ultra, especially in games because of bigger throttling,
- it's not that smooth, compared to Z Ultra, on 4.4.2 in Z2 i experienced a bit of lagging, opposite to silky smooth ZU on 4.4.4,
- has much smaller screen, which is not as comfortable as ZU screen to use,
- can get very hot during games,
- overheating problems during 4k recording.
Both are finely crafted devices, you can't go wrong with both of them. But keep in mind, that if you need a handy smartphone that can be used single handed then ZU it's not a good choice for you.
Today Sony announced Xperia XZ2 and XZ2 compact at the MWC 2018 so I wanted to have a look at X compact users' opinions (like myself) and see if we are deciding to let XC go or not yet...
So here's my opinion :
In the beginning when I the leaked photos I didnt like the thickness of the XZ2c but now that I have seen the Hands-on videos Im becomin more intrested in buying it (Video here)
And my other reason is that the screen is now HDR 1080p and 5" so it means more colors and more usabality!
There's also a better camera and better front facin speakers.
Btw,
Dynamic vibrations are not available in Xz2 compact
And although it has dual front cameras, its only 5 mp!!!!
So if I buy it, it would be because of the new looks amd much much better gpu performance and of course HDR screen, otherwise, XC is doin a great job for me specially now that it has android Oreo...
Feel free to share your thoughts!
bye bye Sony
Very disappointed with Sony :crying:
Xz2 compact is not compact anymore. Thick (12mm), tall (135mm), no headphone jack, fingerprint reader on the back. What the f*ck is Sony doing?
The only fast compact device on the market is no more. Well, back to Samsung
NO, I'm really sad about this, but at least we have the XZ1 Compact to upgrade to, which seems like the best Compact they've ever made, basically updating SOC and better, matte, metal back/sides compared to the slippery, glossy sides we have on the X Compact...the lack of headphone jack and side fingerprint scanner on the XZ2's are really unfortunate changes imo
Kianush said:
Today Sony announced Xperia XZ2 and XZ2 compact at the MWC 2018 so I wanted to have a look at X compact users' opinions (like myself) and see if we are deciding to let XC go or not yet...
So here's my opinion :
In the beginning when I the leaked photos I didnt like the thickness of the XZ2c but now that I have seen the Hands-on videos Im becomin more intrested in buying it (Video here)
And my other reason is that the screen is now HDR 1080p and 5" so it means more colors and more usabality!
There's also a better camera and better front facin speakers.
Btw,
Dynamic vibrations are not available in Xz2 compact
And although it has dual front cameras, its only 5 mp!!!!
So if I buy it, it would be because of the new looks amd much much better gpu performance and of course HDR screen, otherwise, XC is doin a great job for me specially now that it has android Oreo...
Feel free to share your thoughts!
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5" screen is not compact. I was already pushing my limits when I started with Z1c, (127mm tall), 4 years ago. I only upgraded to Z3c and Xc because they haven't gotten any bigger. I won't do 135mm..
No.
No. No real innovations, but it's gotten bigger and lost features like head phone jack and fingerprint on the side. The camera has to be on par with Samsung and iPhone to even consider the XZ2.
Maybe XZ3 Compact they ll back to the road, is there any real one-handed phone that we can expect this year?
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Maybe XZ3 Compact they ll back to the road, is there any real one-handed phone that we can expect this year?
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Yeah, for me after a lot of reading i just think xz1 is not worth the cost, xz2 compact is like a new model phone. I am just going to wait for xz3 or any other compact version.
My next phone will probably not be from Sony. If I convert to a "normal" size it doesn't have to be Sony anymore.
Hello, my fellow members:
Like many of you out there, I am in grief
Only a few months ago I purchased the Sony Xperia 1 Mark III and started enjoying it. But that joy did not last long... Sony announced Sony Xperia Pro-I... Now my $1300 top-of-the-line phone is no longer top-of-the-line and it now costs barely $997. Like many of you out there, I am asking myself: should I have waited? Well, if Sony Xperia Pro-i is indeed a game-changer then, yes, I shouldn't rush in buying the Mark III and wait for the next model, but is it? Whell, that's why I am starting this thread to hear your opinions!
I did not put my hands on the Pro-I yet but from its specs listed on gsmarena (see below) they are basically identical with the only difference being the lens and the chip - that is being advertised as a "1" chip".
I am a sony fan, no doubt, as 95% of all electronics I owned or owe are Sony. But when it comes to cameras, I noticed that Sony is very cheap in giving us better chips...They changed their cameras, they upgraded them but inside you would find the same, old, Sony chip. And now I am surprised to see that Sony is pushing it into the cellphone platforms....hmmm, why? Are they ready to make a move and change the chip on the cameras, therefore, they decided to make a little bit of profit still from their old one? Who knows?
Anyway, going back to the Xperia Pro-i, is it a game-changer? Tough question, right? Well, as I said before I own the Xperia 1 Mark III and one of its biggest drawbacks is the battery. Although Sony claims is a 4500mA battery, it does not behave like one - it keeps me running for the day but that's it - at night, I have to charge it.
So, if the Xperia Pro-I has the same battery (as per gsmarena), then how does that battery will power that big 1" chip??? In my opinion: it can not! If Sony would put that big *ss chip in the middle of the phone to work in conjunction with that super-duper, power-hungry display and all other gps , satellite antenas and that octa-core processor and speakers with subwoofer and vibrations and under an android command with many power-consuming applications, then that phone would not last half a day per charge. Therefore, I think that Sony must have cropped that chip but kept the dot pitch and, hopefully, put a better battery with a real 4500mA juice. Therefore, 1" chip might not be a real 1" chip, but still bigger than the one in Mark III.
These are my thoughts, so far. Please share yours! To the lucky future owners of such phones: please be kind and post your opinion. Thank you!
PRO-I MARK III
NETWORKTechnologyGSM / HSPA / LTE / 5GGSM / HSPA / LTE / 5G
LAUNCHAnnounced2021, October 262021, April 14StatusAvailable. Released 2021, December 02Available. Released 2021, August 25
BODYDimensions166 x 72 x 8.9 mm (6.54 x 2.83 x 0.35 in)165 x 71 x 8.2 mm (6.50 x 2.80 x 0.32 in)Weight211 g (7.44 oz)186 g / 187.1 g (mmWave) (6.56 oz)BuildGlass front (Gorilla Glass Victus), glass back (Gorilla Glass 6), aluminum frameGlass front (Gorilla Glass Victus), glass back (Gorilla Glass 6), aluminum frameSIMHybrid Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by)Hybrid Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by) IP65/IP68 dust/water resistant (up to 1.5m for 30 mins)
Built-in strap-holeIP65/IP68 dust/water resistant (up to 1.5m for 30 mins)
DISPLAYTypeOLED, 1B colors, 120Hz, HDR BT.2020OLED, 1B colors, 120Hz, HDR BT.2020Size6.5 inches, 98.6 cm2 (~82.5% screen-to-body ratio)6.5 inches, 98.6 cm2 (~84.2% screen-to-body ratio)Resolution1644 x 3840 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~643 ppi density)1644 x 3840 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~643 ppi density)ProtectionCorning Gorilla Glass VictusCorning Gorilla Glass Victus Runs at 1096 x 2560 pixels except for select use casesRuns at 1096 x 2560 pixels except for select use cases
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MEMORYCard slotmicroSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)microSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)Internal512GB 12GB RAM256GB 12GB RAM, 512GB 12GB RAM UFS 3.XUFS 3.X
MAIN CAMERAModules12 MP, f/2.0-4.0, 24mm (wide), 1.0-type, 2.4µm, PDAF, OIS (315 PDAF points, 90% frame coverage)
12 MP, f/2.4, 50mm (telephoto), 1/2.9", PDAF, 2x optical zoom, OIS
12 MP, f/2.2, 124˚, 16mm (ultrawide), 1/2.55", Dual Pixel PDAF
0.3 MP, TOF 3D, (depth)12 MP, f/1.7, 24mm (wide), 1/1.7", 1.8µm, Dual Pixel PDAF, OIS
12 MP, f/2.3, 70mm (telephoto), f/2.8, 105mm (telephoto), 1/2.9", Dual Pixel PDAF, 3x/4.4x optical zoom, OIS
12 MP, f/2.2, 124˚, 16mm (ultrawide), 1/2.6", Dual Pixel PDAF
0.3 MP, TOF 3D, (depth)FeaturesZeiss optics, Zeiss T* lens coating, LED flash, panorama, 12-bit RAW, HDR, eye trackingZeiss optics, Zeiss T* lens coating, LED flash, panorama, HDR, eye trackingVideo[email protected]/25/30/60/120fps HDR, [email protected]/60/120/240fps; 5-axis gyro-EIS, OIS[email protected]/25/30/60/120fps HDR, [email protected]/60/120/240fps; 5-axis gyro-EIS, OIS
SELFIE CAMERAModules8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µm8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µmFeaturesHDRHDRVideo[email protected], 5-axis gyro-EIS[email protected], 5-axis gyro-EIS
SOUNDLoudspeakerYes, with stereo speakersYes, with stereo speakers3.5mm jackYesYes 24-bit/192kHz audio
Dynamic vibration system24-bit/192kHz audio
Dynamic vibration system
COMMSWLANWi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/6, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspotWi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/6, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspotBluetooth5.2, A2DP, aptX HD, LE5.2, A2DP, LE, aptX HDGPSYes, with dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, BDS, GALILEO, QZSSYes, with dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, BDS, GALILEO, QZSSNFCYesYesInfrared portNoNoRadioNoNoUSBUSB Type-C 3.2; USB On-The-Go, DisplayPortUSB Type-C 3.1; USB On-The-Go, video output
FEATURESSensorsFingerprint (side-mounted), accelerometer, gyro, proximity, barometer, compass, color spectrumFingerprint (side-mounted), accelerometer, gyro, proximity, barometer, compass, color spectrum Native Sony Alpha camera supportNative Sony Alpha camera support
BATTERYTypeLi-Po 4500 mAh, non-removableLi-Po 4500 mAh, non-removableChargingFast charging 30W, 50% in 30 min (advertised)
USB Power DeliveryFast charging 30W, 50% in 30 min (advertised)
Fast wireless charging
Reverse wireless charging
USB Power DeliveryStand-byTalk time
MISCColorsFrosted BlackFrosted Black, Frosted Gray, Frosted PurpleModelsXQ-BE62, XQBE62-B, XQ-BE62-B, XQ-BE62/B, XQ-BE42, XQ-BE42-B, XQ-BE42/BXQBC62/V, XQBC52V.UKCX, SO-51B, SOG03, A101SO, XQ-BC62, XQ-BC72, XQ-BC52, XQ-BC01, XQ-BC11, XQ-BC21, XQ-BC72Price$ 1,798.00 / C$ 2,853.82 / £ 1,599.00 / € 1,799.00$ 997.00 / C$ 1,370.00 / £ 1,083.79 / € 1,249.99
TESTSPerformanceAnTuTu: 725839 (v9)
GeekBench: 3540 (v5.1)
GFXBench: 51fps (ES 3.1 onscreen)AnTuTu: 607423 (v8)
GeekBench: 3515 (v5.1)
GFXBench: 54fps (ES 3.1 onscreen)DisplayContrast ratio: Infinite (nominal)CameraCompare PHOTO / Compare VIDEOLoudspeaker-28.6 LUFS (Average)-26.5 LUFS (Good)Battery life87h endurance rating82h endurance rating
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most people would better be off with x1 iii.
bought pro-i. not really excited. it's just a fancy toy
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most people would better be off with x1 iii.
bought pro-i. not really excited. it's just a fancy toy
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Do you call it a fancy toy because of the price? The Pro I sensor does not take better pictures? The pictures from the Pro I appear quite a bit brighter in auto mode, no?
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Do you call it a fancy toy because of the price? The Pro I sensor does not take better pictures? The pictures from the Pro I appear quite a bit brighter in auto mode, no?
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you see, if something looks like a phone, feels like a phone and works like a phone, it's a phone. Even if the marketing team says it's a camera with a phone attached to it.
A camera with a 1" sensor should be a camera that uses the surface of a 1" sensor, dammit, and not 2/3 of it. If Sony boasted 36mp sensor in their Alpha cameras where you could only use 24, a lot of people would be upset, but here it's advertised as a game-changer.
I bought the phone for a review. Now I'm waiting for the release of Android 12 to help my review stay up-to-date for longer. Xiaomi already has updated its flagships to A12, Samsung also has, but Sony hasn't yet rolled out an update to its most pricy flagship, which makes no sense since both Xiaomi and Samsung have hundreds of phones while Sony only has a few.
Anyway, Sony is the most balanced flagship imo, but its camera is only good for videos. It does do a much better job in that department, with its 10-bit rec.2020 video, it's unmatched. But you need straight hands to be able to use this stuff properly.
Either way, if one is a photographer, I recommend getting an APS-C camera in the likes of Fuji X-T## series. For videography, the Pro-i has an edge.
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you see, if something looks like a phone, feels like a phone and works like a phone, it's a phone. Even if the marketing team says it's a camera with a phone attached to it.
A camera with a 1" sensor should be a camera that uses the surface of a 1" sensor, dammit, and not 2/3 of it. If Sony boasted 36mp sensor in their Alpha cameras where you could only use 24, a lot of people would be upset, but here it's advertised as a game-changer.
I bought the phone for a review. Now I'm waiting for the release of Android 12 to help my review stay up-to-date for longer. Xiaomi already has updated its flagships to A12, Samsung also has, but Sony hasn't yet rolled out an update to its most pricy flagship, which makes no sense since both Xiaomi and Samsung have hundreds of phones while Sony only has a few.
Anyway, Sony is the most balanced flagship imo, but its camera is only good for videos. It does do a much better job in that department, with its 10-bit rec.2020 video, it's unmatched. But you need straight hands to be able to use this stuff properly.
Either way, if one is a photographer, I recommend getting an APS-C camera in the likes of Fuji X-T## series. For videography, the Pro-i has an edge.
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Now I get your comment. Thanks for the full explanation. Your suggestion of an APS cameras like the Fuji is a suggestion with which I agree and have suggested myself. I want to upgrade phones from the Xiaomi Note 10 Pro from 2019 I have now. The Xiaomi Note 10 Pro camera still gets rated above many new phone releases at 131 DXO points. Anyway.... choices for new phones have not justified a purchase to since 2019. From Sony I appreciate the micro card storage, 3.5 jack, the lanyard and the other phone features etc. Close to stock android is a big deal to me. I ran with Pixels for 6 or 7 years. Xperia's are freer from monetization than Sammy or Apple. And I have a history with Sony cameras: the Sony HX 9 travel camera and the Sony Mavica with the floppy drive.
Sony gets top dollar from consumers. But Sony the downsizing of a lot of their divisions and off- loading the TV's etc. I think they are challenged with support. Sony obviously isn't devoting a lot of organizational assets or manpower to their phone division. So the step-child doesn't get the robust support out to consumers with updates.
On top of all that, the Sony dealer where I live in Indonesia doesn't sell the phones (... I won't go into details on that) so I will have to go to Singapore and I have concerns about the service to an overly expensive phone. I really don't know what I would buy that gives me micro-card storage and a 3.5 inch jack for the classical music to which I listen.
I do disagree with you about the big sensor. So what if they only use part of the sensor? There is no way with the tech to take advantage of the whole sensor in today's slab phones. Anyway... mobile phones are a lot of fun to play with.... you are right, maybe all of them are just toys. Have fun amigo.
marcus01432 said:
I do disagree with you about the big sensor. So what if they only use part of the sensor? There is no way with the tech to take advantage of the whole sensor in today's slab phones. Anyway... mobile phones are a lot of fun to play with.... you are right, maybe all of them are just toys. Have fun amigo.
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Advertising the 1" but only letting users utilize 1/1.3" is a end-user deception. Still, 1/1.3" is big, it's nice, but it's far not the same as having a true 1" sensor. Also, relative aperture is pretty bad, f2.0 was already not impressive in 2017 - mi11 Ultra utilizes a bigger sensor and it's got a bigger relative aperture which resolves the sensor faster.
They should stop deceiving people and say the truth and explain it wisely - say, "We installed the same sensor as in the rx100m7, and cropped it so you could have 4k120 which the rx100m7 is not capable of! Also, the cropped area is the area that is almost entirely covered with phase detection AF points, so you'll only benefit from it in terms of AF speed!" But they don't. And lots of people feel they've been lied to - especially those who own the both devices and find out that Pro-i is limited to 12mp and it's not the same as the 20mp they got out of their RX100.
In the end, if one is into photography that much, they might consider a Xiaomi mi11 Ultra. In my opinion the Xiaomi gives the most camera hardware for money, and out of all the phones you see on the attached photo (i took it, it's not a stock photo), I am most impressed with the potential of mi11 Ultra. That's where you have the biggest relative aperture and a properly utilized huge sensor. At the same time, colors are not the best, Vivo x70pro+ gives colors that are more eye-pleasing if one prefers portraits. But one must not rush into buying Xiaomi if they ever take photos of moving objects due to catastrophic shutter lag. Only Xperias and iPhones, and AFAIK Google Pixels have minimal shutter lag, most other phones left me unsure whether I will always be able to capture rapidly vanishing moments. Xiaomi has the best detail and Vivo has the best color, but it won't matter if the smile is gone or the bike has left the viewfinder.
Pro-i has a very fast camera. Sadly you can't have both speed and high megapixel count on a phone.
In the other topic I uploaded a bunch of photos I took with Pro-I: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/reviews-are-in-on-the-xperia-pro-i.4371697/post-86298867
I saw that you already gave me kudos for that post. Thanks!
I'll wait now and see part of the round of 2022 devices. The Xiaomi I have has a nice camera. You are right, the shutter is slow. I really should stick to a phone like the Xiaomi's that you can get here in Indonesia. The Vivo is nice, but I find the colors oversaturated but the people I know with shoot in auto mode all the time.The Oppo Find X and a few other phones are interesting. The new Xiaomi ultra should be interesting. Still I don't like the operating systems on the Xiaomi. It is getting better, but I prefer a fairly pure android if I can get it.
Look, I am going to nit-pick here, but Sony never said it had a 1" sensor. It said it had a type 1.0 size sensor. Also they did not hide using 1/1.31 size area.
That aside, the real question is: is the Pro I a game changer? Yea and no: There are faster and larger sensors on phones. There are more powerful AI computational phones out there. However, if you don't want your grey rainy skies tinted blue, or yellowing grass made artificially green, then Xperia is the way to go. The Pro I is slightly thicker and noticeably heavier than the Xperia 1 III, which I like, but most will not. Also there is very limited zoom on the Pro I, and I find this a little limiting.
However, the main sensor is better. Better in colour, low light and detail. On phone screen you will not notice it. But on a 4k monitor or 10"x8" is is better. Not a huge difference, but it's there if you care.
This is the game changer: More interestingly is the RAW performance: if this guy is right, then most computational cameras ruin the raw output even if they have amazing jpg output. Here is the Vivo X70 Pro Plus against Xperia Pro I in raw
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Look, I am going to nit-pick here, but Sony never said it had a 1" sensor. It said it had a type 1.0 size sensor. Also they did not hide using 1/1.31 size area.
That aside, the real question is: is the Pro I a game changer? Yea and no: There are faster and larger sensors on phones. There are more powerful AI computational phones out there. However, if you don't want your grey rainy skies tinted blue, or yellowing grass made artificially green, then Xperia is the way to go. The Pro I is slightly thicker and noticeably heavier than the Xperia 1 III, which I like, but most will not. Also there is very limited zoom on the Pro I, and I find this a little limiting.
However, the main sensor is better. Better in colour, low light and detail. On phone screen you will not notice it. But on a 4k monitor or 10"x8" is is better. Not a huge difference, but it's there if you care.
This is the game changer: More interestingly is the RAW performance: if this guy is right, then most computational cameras ruin the raw output even if they have amazing jpg output. Here is the Vivo X70 Pro Plus against Xperia Pro I in raw
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You are right. I notice the difference in photos. You are correct, the sensor is better. I don't like the marketing stretch and over-exuberance. But, don't all the phone companies say they are the best? The size and thickness? Those commentators should get over themselves. Pro-i does computational photography. It is a digital product after all. The Sony look appears to be more natural to me and so I prefer it. Remember the days when photographers debated Kodachrome, Ektachrome, FujiFilm, etc. Each had it's own look. I want to remember the image I see with my eyes the way it was, not some computational blue blazing sky on a dreary day. And yes, there is a real difference in Sony vs. Sammy or Apple. SomeGadgetGuy (knows his stuff) and has said so once or more. Sony is offering a very comprehensive package (head phone jack, etc., etc.). One of these days Sony will hit it out of the park with a decent battery and a little bit of cooling for the damn chip sets. Let's hope Sony keeps up it's distinctive set of phones. The phones are quite apart from the fanboy and fangirl mass products. BTW, I do think Oppo, Xioami and Hauwei( and their sub-brands) are putting out some worthy packages. This should be a fun year for phones.
marcus01432 said:
You are right. I notice the difference in photos. You are correct, the sensor is better. I don't like the marketing stretch and over-exuberance. But, don't all the phone companies say they are the best? The size and thickness? Those commentators should get over themselves. Pro-i does computational photography. It is a digital product after all. The Sony look appears to be more natural to me and so I prefer it. Remember the days when photographers debated Kodachrome, Ektachrome, FujiFilm, etc. Each had it's own look. I want to remember the image I see with my eyes the way it was, not some computational blue blazing sky on a dreary day. And yes, there is a real difference in Sony vs. Sammy or Apple. SomeGadgetGuy (knows his stuff) and has said so once or more. Sony is offering a very comprehensive package (head phone jack, etc., etc.). One of these days Sony will hit it out of the park with a decent battery and a little bit of cooling for the damn chip sets. Let's hope Sony keeps up it's distinctive set of phones. The phones are quite apart from the fanboy and fangirl mass products. BTW, I do think Oppo, Xioami and Hauwei( and their sub-brands) are putting out some worthy packages. This should be a fun year for phones.
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Agreed on almost all points.
Size and thickness? That was me. Just comparing to the Xperia 1 III. I already have got over myself
Sure, all digital cameras are computational, but you appear to know what I am describing. The over emphasis of sharpening and saturation. The phone companies have gone overboard for me, and it appears you. Kodachrome or Fujifilm would be a nice optional filter, as opposed to Samsung defaults. Personally I find the Xperia a bit flat, and seems to be compared to the dedicated Sony cameras like RX100. But as a data, it gives you a great raw starting point with lightroom. If the YouTube link I gave is true, the other don't stand a chance if that. Lightroom's auto mode is better than iPhone ect.
Yes Vivo, Huawei and by association Honor are doing great things (Vivo you need to switch to Zeiss Natural Color first or it over saturates).
We are in agreement. I see in adverts that Sammy now claims the S22 Ultra has natural colors and a better raw. If the marketing claim is true for more natural and better RAW, then Sony moved the bar. Wouldn't it be great if Hasseblad has a real influence on the Oppo, or Zeiss hits the mark with their Sharp branded phone? It's a fun year for mobile phones. Best.
Take a look at these from the Sony Pro i I bought. Still learning and these are snaps mostly on my 2x's a day dog walks. The dog usually tolerates my camera time. I do need to play more with the video pro and cinema and see if I can unlock the potential. I also just started experimenting with the night time shots. A few shots are in basic. Mostly shot in the P, S, and Manual modes. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9
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Take a look at these from the Sony Pro i I bought. Still learning and these are snaps mostly on my 2x's a day dog walks. The dog usually tolerates my camera time. I do need to play more with the video pro and cinema and see if I can unlock the potential. I also just started experimenting with the night time shots. A few shots are in basic. Mostly shot in the P, S, and Manual modes. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9
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I have added more pics to the mix. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9 Getting better with the camera. Want to find the time to go out alone and shoot photos and video. These are taken with a dog on a leash. The dog is quite patient, but....