Hi,
I am thinking buying this phone. The most important thing for me is to have a snappy phone for regular apps(spotify, whatsapp, mail, browsing) , and at least one day of battery on lte (I don't use more than 3.5h sot).
From what i saw on this forum xperia x might be a good choice for me. Would you recommend something else? or can xperia x fulfill my needs?
Thanks.
I was evaluating between X and XP when they both come out. I noticed Sony removed "2 days battery life" from XP's marketing materials. So its X for me. I need battery life more than gaming performance though.
ykphuah said:
I was evaluating between X and XP when they both come out. I noticed Sony removed "2 days battery life" from XP's marketing materials. So its X for me. I need battery life more than gaming performance though.
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and what's your opinion? are you pleased with your decision? do your day by day routine is similar to mine? how is your battery life ?
iulian. said:
Hi,
I am thinking buying this phone. The most important thing for me is to have a snappy phone for regular apps(spotify, whatsapp, mail, browsing) , and at least one day of battery on lte (I don't use more than 3.5h sot).
From what i saw on this forum xperia x might be a good choice for me. Would you recommend something else? or can xperia x fulfill my needs?
Thanks.
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Go for it.
S650 is more than enough for you, even when gaming counts. The Z5 heats up and throttles itself pretty fast even on normal usage. MM roms on Xperia phones are hell fast already.
Though, isn't it too OP to buy a S8xx phone for daily apps?
EDIT: There is no phone on the X line that could last up to 2 days. My X normally last for 5 hours onscreen, with gaming web browsing are my top priorities.
Z3c still is the one with the strongest juice pack.
iH8Ecchi said:
Go for it.
S650 is more than enough for you, even when gaming counts. The Z5 heats up and throttles itself pretty fast even on normal usage. MM roms on Xperia phones are hell fast already.
Though, isn't it too OP to buy a S8xx phone for daily apps?
EDIT: There is no phone on the X line that could last up to 2 days. My X normally last for 5 hours onscreen, with gaming web browsing are my top priorities.
Z3c still is the one with the strongest juice pack.
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ok thanks. I might wait a bit to see how does nougat affect xperia x. (as any update brings some slow effect to the day by day experience)
iulian. said:
ok thanks. I might wait a bit to see how does nougat affect xperia x. (as any update brings some slow effect to the day by day experience)
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Well, there is hardly any reason to nerf the X in the next update. M4 and Z4 was nerfed due to the heating issues, which the X doesn't have.
Also, you can go back to MM at anytime.
Having this same dilemma currently. Had my eye on the Xperia line since the Z1C and my GS3 is finally failing enough that i'm going to pull the trigger on something new and looking to step away form the galaxy line. Not a big gamer beyond mindless time killers (angry birds and the like) so mostly just need snappy performance for browsing and youtube and good battery life. I feel like the X hits that sweet spot between giving up a bit of screen size with the compact and going up to the bigger Z5 which i'm not really sure i want to do either. Can get a Z5C and XX for the same price right now, and only about $50 more for the Z5. Seems like all the reviews are mainly knocking the XX based on the steep list price and saying "just get a Z5 instead" but now that the price has come down so much i'm not sure that really applies anymore. For practical everyday use i feel like the X is going to be right on par, and any of them are going to smoke this dinosaur of a phone i'm on now.
well coming to my initial thoughts z5 is better than x? because for me are the same price
and how much battery life can I get using waze? (for a 5h road trip, would i need a car charger?)
iulian. said:
well coming to my initial thoughts z5 is better than x? because for me are the same price
and how much battery life can I get using waze? (for a 5h road trip, would i need a car charger?)
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I use another navigation app, but i guess the X will survive with around 5% with Stamina on all the way, while the Z5 will die halfway.
Though you should have a portable charger in your car every time. It doesn't take too much space anyway.
yeah. ok thanks.
I still have some doubts of the battery life of xx, but I suppose this is mainly because the market is flooded by 3000mah batteries.
I like that X have earpiece in better position, as having the earpiece, like Z5 have, at the phone edge, is quite annoying, during a call, the phone doesn't cover my ear hole, but instead I must hold phone in some strange and uncomfortable position and others can hear the conversation.
X -s earpiece sound is also better, as Z5 have smaller earpiece and as it's waterproof, so it's behind protection tape, which changes the sound.
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I like that X have earpiece in better position, as having the earpiece, like Z5 have, at the phone edge, is quite annoying, during a call, the phone doesn't cover my ear hole, but instead I must hold phone in some strange and uncomfortable position and others can hear the conversation.
X -s earpiece sound is also better, as Z5 have smaller earpiece and as it's waterproof, so it's behind protection tape, which changes the sound.
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but how is battery life on both devices? (i understand that xx has enough battery juice for at least one day on 4g)
iulian. said:
but how is battery life on both devices? (i understand that xx has enough battery juice for at least one day on 4g)
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Logic say's that more performance (bigger screen, more CPU cores etc) consumes more power. So it depends of phone usage. It You are continuously on 4G, then depends how good is the signal. If signal is bad, phone needs to amplify the signal and this again eats more battery.
Quote from - http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sony-Xperia-X-vs-Sony-Xperia-Z5_id4206/page/4
"In terms of total capacity, the 2,900mAh cell of the Xperia Z5 has the lead over the 2,620mAh unit of the Xperia X. But as you should know by now, numbers are just numbers.
Indeed, we found the numbers to be unrepresentative of our experience, with the Xperia Z5 offering worse battery performance with perhaps a 10% drop in longevity compared to the X. Not a massive advantage for the newer device, sure, but still something to keep in mind. Obviously, this ratio can vary wildly depending on what your typical usage looks like.
When it comes to charging times, the Xperia X, with its smaller juicer getting filled up some 15 minutes quicker than the larger unit of the Z5."
hi, again. how about an older sony (like z3, z3+ - saw that z3+ has s810 chip, and i am concerned about overheat) but how about z3? saw good reviews even after some years.
I bought the Xperia X a month ago and I am really happy with the device. I would estimate around 2 days battery life with normal usage. I think the phone is a perfect all-rounder with clean UI, good/fast camera, fantastic front camera (13mp), vibrant full-HD 5" screen, beautiful design/finish with metal back and 21/2 D glass. PS4 remote play (if you own PS4) is great too. Finger print scanner is also very consistent and extremely fast (<1 sec to start and unlock phone). My previous phone was Xperia Z3C which was also very good, but overall I would rank the Xperia X higher mainly due to the screen, cameras, finger print scanner and metal finish.
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I read a lot of reviews and opinions here about the Z5C that are from people that were or still are using a Sony device. The Z5C is usually compared in terms of the Z3C or even the Z1C. Those comparisons are good if you own those devices, but I have no prior contact with Sony. My current device is a Moto G (1st Gen).
So I'd like to know what people who had no prior contact, or at least not in the past years, with Sony say about the phone. How does it feel and how much "crap" is on a Sony phone compared to a Nexus or Motorola phone? How good/bad are the Sony-Apps ? What "oddities" do Sony phones have?
Thanks for your opinions.
I came from a Moto G (2nd Gen) to the Z5C which is my first Sony phone. So a similar path to what you are considering. It comes with way more "crap" on in than the Motorola did. Where my Moto G (2nd Gen) might have had 5 Motorola utilities, the Z5C has maybe 30. Many of them are app/tools that seemingly connect you into the Sony Sphere. PlayStation stuff, Dinosaur images pop up in the camera you can stamp on your photos and super cheesy Japanese schoolgirl emoticons for your text input.
If you like the clean native Google apps such as Gmail, Calendar, Photos messaging and so on you will find yourself having to disable the Sony versions.
One oddity my Z3C has is that is is fussy about which micro USB cable will charge it. So if like me you have a collection of micro USB cables and chargers from previous phone they may not all work. I guess this may be due to tighter tolerances required water proofing the charge port. Not a biggy but worth knowing.
I find the Xperia Keyboard gesture input (aka Swype input) to be a PITA. Miss rate is too high and deleting errors is tedious. Shame becuase it works very well on other phones.
Small size is great. Can easily slip it in a front trouser pocket.
BUT I have yet to feel "vibrate on for calls" when it is my pocket. When someone does call when Z5C in pocket when I am doing somehting noisey like mowing a lawn, I dont feel the vinration alert, it seemingly wakes the phone and thereafter movement leads to random screen presses. So when I eventually retrieve it form my pocket an hour later the screen is still on and it is in some weird screen such as the camera or emerg dialer. Perhpas I am missing something here though. Oh and definitely don't buy it for the camera if you are expecting a point and shoot with a high % of great shots.
That's my thoughts.
Coming from a nexus 5, I love this phone! Never charge it from the mains only from my car every day(1 hour commute each way) and it keeps going strong! Pretty quick and feels good.
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Coming from Samsung S3
This Z5 is very bad...unstable sw, no optimization, really slow...bleah! I think i will never buy again a sony device. Oh...customer care is bad too.
Camera is slow and poor quality, GPS is very inaccurate, BT disconnet and reconnect every 15 secs (i think the problem is trhow but i can't disable it...)
So...i'm not a satisfied user..
Thank you all for your replies.
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I came from a Moto G (2nd Gen) to the Z5C which is my first Sony phone. So a similar path to what you are considering. It comes with way more "crap" on in than the Motorola did. Where my Moto G (2nd Gen) might have had 5 Motorola utilities, the Z5C has maybe 30. Many of them are app/tools that seemingly connect you into the Sony Sphere. PlayStation stuff, Dinosaur images pop up in the camera you can stamp on your photos and super cheesy Japanese schoolgirl emoticons for your text input.
If you like the clean native Google apps such as Gmail, Calendar, Photos messaging and so on you will find yourself having to disable the Sony versions.
One oddity my Z3C has is that is is fussy about which micro USB cable will charge it. So if like me you have a collection of micro USB cables and chargers from previous phone they may not all work. I guess this may be due to tighter tolerances required water proofing the charge port. Not a biggy but worth knowing.
I find the Xperia Keyboard gesture input (aka Swype input) to be a PITA. Miss rate is too high and deleting errors is tedious. Shame becuase it works very well on other phones.
Small size is great. Can easily slip it in a front trouser pocket.
BUT I have yet to feel "vibrate on for calls" when it is my pocket. When someone does call when Z5C in pocket when I am doing somehting noisey like mowing a lawn, I dont feel the vinration alert, it seemingly wakes the phone and thereafter movement leads to random screen presses. So when I eventually retrieve it form my pocket an hour later the screen is still on and it is in some weird screen such as the camera or emerg dialer. Perhpas I am missing something here though. Oh and definitely don't buy it for the camera if you are expecting a point and shoot with a high % of great shots.
That's my thoughts.
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I actually never use the original cables since I have set up a "charging station". Which cables does the Z5C not accept? Is there a pattern?
And I'm not buying this for the camera, I have a DSLR for that
Tuonorosso said:
Coming from Samsung S3
This Z5 is very bad...unstable sw, no optimization, really slow...bleah! I think i will never buy again a sony device. Oh...customer care is bad too.
Camera is slow and poor quality, GPS is very inaccurate, BT disconnet and reconnect every 15 secs (i think the problem is trhow but i can't disable it...)
So...i'm not a satisfied user..
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Do you have the newest firmware ? AFAIK a few things should have been fixed with the latest update. What experience do you have with the customer care ?
ricostuart said:
Coming from a nexus 5, I love this phone! Never charge it from the mains only from my car every day(1 hour commute each way) and it keeps going strong! Pretty quick and feels good.
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How was the Z5C in terms of "snappiness" compared to the Nexus ?
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Do you have the newest firmware ? AFAIK a few things should have been fixed with the latest update. What experience do you have with the customer care ?
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Yes, last fw: 32.0.A.6.152
Customer care have reset the phone 4 times. Each trial did not resolve the problem. In the end they told me to bring it to service but they had no idea of the repair time and they not given me any temporary phone.
My phone has only one month and i need it for work...i can't stay weeks without it. For a 600$ phone i think this is unacceptable.
At this time i have the same initial problems...
I hope in Marshmallow ...
Coming from Moto G first Gen (falcon)
Coming from Moto G 1st Gen. This is my first Sony Phone.
I am loving the Z5C.
Few things to note that that will give you an idea between the two phones
1. The flash on the moto g is noticeably brighter and warmer. Idc about cameras, but I find I use the flashlight a lot
2. The chip on the Z5C does feel much faster. Not sure how to describe it other than the UI on the Z5C being more "fluid"
3. The chip on the Z5C does get noticeably warm (but not hot) on the back under certain loads. E.g. running long sessions of RDP or installing lots of apps in quick succession or recording 4K video. Under normal use like browsing the web or watching youtube it does not get warm.
4. The camera is way better than the Moto G
5. The hardware feels really solid. It feels dense. I like it
6. The battery life is significantly better. At my usage, the Moto G will die at about 8pm or 9pm (taking off the charge at 7am). I have yet to kill the Z5C in a single day in my normal use
(my normal use usually has a few hours of music, and at least 4 hours of screen time)
7. The stereo speakers are much nicer, but the stereo effect is small, and they aren't not as loud as the moto g's single speaker
8. The max brightness of the Z5C's screen is about the same as the one on the Moto G. The min brightness is on the Z5C is lower though.
9 The physical dimensions of the Z5C is smaller in width and height. The Z5C does feel thicker because of its more boxy shape though
In terms of bloatware, there is quite a bit. I have a lot of apps disabled from settings or hidden (I use Apex)
There are some features that sony added that are nice though.
1. Built in screen recording
2. "Small Apps" - a bit like floating widgets
3. Nice audio optimizations that make my music experience nicer
4. Being able to customize the quick settings in the notification center
5. Battery percentage in the status bar (this is important to me )
6. The screen colours can be calibrated to your liking
Other things to consider
- The fingerprint sensor is pretty bad, but that could be just my fingers.
- The phone is really slippery compared to the Moto G. A case is highly recommended.
- Stamina mode - I havent tested if this has a positive effect on battery life, but i'm letting the placebo effect take place
- The microsd slot is nice for future proofing, although given that I had a 8GB moto g, and the Z5C comes with 32GB, Im not going to need a microsd in the near future.
- Water proofing
- Of the 32GB, about 10GB is taken up by the android system, and thus we cannot use for our own stuff
- I found the volume button placement on the Z5C wierd until I got used to it in less than a week. Unless you actively need access to it all the time, its not annoying
- I find that everything on screen is too large for my liking, so I have my DPI set to 280, the same as what I had on my Moto G
In response to some of the things said above:
- Bluetooth works fine for me. It has never lost connection to my Microsoft Band when I needed them to be connected
- I've used my Z5C with 3 different usb cables, none of them have a problem.
- Camera does launch slow if Photo Analyser Service is not disabled. The camera launches quite fast now (but admittedly not as fast as say an iPhone 6s)
- The GPS locks quicker than the Moto G, and has yet to be inaccurate for me.
I am really looking forward to Marshmallow
I hope that answers your questions. Sorry for long response lol
I have both nexus 6p and z5 compact. Previously had nexus 6.
I went for the z5c as it had wifi calling, and is a pretty small but powerful phone.
Notables, z5c is under-clocked, could be because heat dissipation on small device yielded unsatisfactory result, could be another one of those battery optimisation things.
It also seems to be on a conservative or power save profile, making it slow to start, but if you launch a game it gets into gear.
It was stuttering even with the OTAs of which i had received two, just a few days ago, even with factory resets it did not go away.
I used the sony PC companion to do a full firmware flash, not an incremental OTA and it became pretty smooth and slick to use again with all 0.5 speed animations and about 20 apps installed. I also disabled all of the original media apps and extra Sony stuff and use my own, poweramp and mxplayer is all i really need.
Pretty good experience to use now. Too bad about it using some sort of powersave profile even with stamina disabled. Good thing i have an nexus 6p to play with too.
you5urf said:
I used the sony PC companion to do a full firmware flash, not an incremental OTA and it became pretty smooth and slick to use again with all 0.5 speed animations and about 20 apps installed. I also disabled all of the original media apps and extra Sony stuff and use my own, poweramp and mxplayer is all i really need.
Pretty good experience to use now. Too bad about it using some sort of powersave profile even with stamina disabled. Good thing i have an nexus 6p to play with too.
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Coming from the N5:
Disadvantages:
- Much less free RAM (N5X also has this issue, I think it's related to Android 64 bits).
- Much lower photo quality
Advantages:
- 200% or much more battery life.
- overall quality
- vídeo quality
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I am coming from the HTC One M7 which can be considered an old phone now I guess.
Good:
-Battery life finally gets me over the day and sometimes into the second.
-Better camera, but by far not great.
-Better display brightness
Bad:
-Sonys Android design looks like a toy. It lacks the beautiful HTC Sense look and features.
-Even with the latest firmware and fresh format its doesnt feel any fast than the old HTC One. Sense had a nicer flow overall.
-In general, switching between apps is not faster, once in the app, the processor surely shows its power. Antutu gave me 31k on HTC One and 62k on Z5C, so technically twice as fast.
-Having the phone in the front pockets of your jeans just looks stupid with the hard edges. The HTC one with its beautiful round design was basically invisible in your pocket.
The HTC One was far from perfect and had its issues, but my heart is still with that phone and I dont beleive I am gonna buy another Sony phone. I wanted a small powerful phone, but its not easy to like this phone I am afraid.
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I am coming from the HTC One M7 which can be considered an old phone now I guess.
Good:
-Battery life finally gets me over the day and sometimes into the second.
-Better camera, but by far not great.
-Better display brightness
Bad:
-Sonys Android design looks like a toy. It lacks the beautiful HTC Sense look and features.
-Even with the latest firmware and fresh format its doesnt feel any fast than the old HTC One. Sense had a nicer flow overall.
-In general, switching between apps is not faster, once in the app, the processor surely shows its power. Antutu gave me 31k on HTC One and 62k on Z5C, so technically twice as fast.
-Having the phone in the front pockets of your jeans just looks stupid with the hard edges. The HTC one with its beautiful round design was basically invisible in your pocket.
The HTC One was far from perfect and had its issues, but my heart is still with that phone and I dont beleive I am gonna buy another Sony phone. I wanted a small powerful phone, but its not easy to like this phone I am afraid.
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I'm also coming from a HTC ONE M7 and I'm feeling exactly as you. I have had the phone for 5 days now and I'm seriously considering to sell it and keep using my M7 since I'm seeing the same things than you see.
I have great expectations for this phone but now that I have it, I'm a little bit disappointed...I don't know if it's cause I'm so use to my old phone or cause my old phone is sooo good that I don't see anything new or improved on the z5c...maybe expect for the waterproofing things.
I'll give it another week to see If I can fall in love with it...maybe when the custom roms start showing up I'll start to see the advantages of changing.
I've been used some HTC and got a Z1c and S6. Guys plz give sometime to this phone, my S6 also took a couple of months to improve before got satisfy result. I believe Android 6.0 will give a new life to this phone.
I've only experienced Apple's devices so I came over from an iPhone 3G, iPhone 4S and then an iPhone 6S. I absolutely LOVE this sucker. And I must have gotten very lucky because I haven't seen any of the issues that others have.
Pros:
1. Fascinated by the Android OS. There's just so much you can do with it! So much more freeing than Apple's IOS. They both have a few positive and negative quirks, but I'm not really missing IOS that much. I did miss the Safari left/right swipe browser initially, but found out about the Rbrowser app with built in ad-block and the swipe feature, and couldn't be happier.
2. The device is quick. Compared to my iPhone devices haven't experienced nearly as much lag even under load.
3. I love the camera and video. Takes far better pictures and video than any camera I've ever used before, and with the latest update, the menu selection is so easy to use. I think the side button to open the camera app is a genius. I also never experienced the blur issue that a lot of others complained about.
4. The size and look of the device totally compliments me. I find modern phones like the Galaxy S6 and the iPhone 6S way too big and clunky. This device is exactly the right size. Slightly larger than my old 4S, but still comfortable to hold, and type one handed with. I also absolutely love the sharp right angles on the phone. I dig the thickness of the Compact, and I love the bright punky yellow of the case color I selected.
5. The fingerprint scanner is so fun to use. I had one on the 6S that worked maybe slightly better, but that's only because there was more surface area to press, but still having a fingerprint reader makes me feel like a spy a bit.
6. I haven't had any issues with the heat of the phone. It gets warm, but after a month of use, I've never experienced it getting warmer than the 4S or the 6S even while playing graphic intensive games, using the GPS, or recording video. It never gets warm while browsing websites, or doing day to day smartphone things.
7. The device did have a little bit of bloatware, but then, so did Apple's devices. Removing/disabling the bloat was easy to do.
8. So far no unexpected surprises. The alarm works. the phone rings and vibrates as it ought. The apps all open fine. I get all my expected alerts and then some. Messaging works fine. The screen is bright and easy to read and watch. I love the little FM radio app (though I don't use it too much). Haven't had any issues with the GPS. Everything does what it's supposed to do.
Negatives:
1. Coming from devices with only one bottom speaker, I thought that having two front facing stereo speakers would make this device monster loud....it isn't. In fact, it's slightly quieter than the 6S (though louder than the 4S). That said, I do love the stereo effect, and I think having so many audio controls is awesome. I just wish the device was a bit louder. Hopefully when the device becomes rootable I can find a fix for that.
2. The boot up time on this device is pretty slow. From powered off, the 6S starts up in a matter of a couple seconds. It takes like half a minute or longer for the Z5 to start up. Course, this isn't much of an issue most of the time since the device doesn't usually need to be powered off or restarted.
3. The iPhone 6S 3D touch is pretty amazing, and I can see them doing some cool things with it over time. There was nothing about it that was super amazing while I had it. No apps to really take too much of an advantage of it yet, but I can see that it'll be awesome to have some time down the road.
4. The voicemail was a bit odd to set up. I'm used to Apple's easy voicemail integration that just works out of the box. For this device I had to download and setup a "visual voicemail" system that I'm not used to, and that I found a bit annoying.
My first Android phone was a Sony xperia mini. Was worse than Motorola Milestone (gsm droid) that replaced it. I since moved onto Samsung original Galaxy S and then Galaxy Nexus. Then the original Moto X dev edition which is the same size as this Z5C. I love the form factor. Ever since the Nexus 6 which I have one of those, Moto is obsessed with phone size. The Nexus 6 was named Shamu for a reason. I am hoping the just under 5" phones are not s dying breed because this device is the perfect size for me. I also like the subtle tweaks Sony does with their ROM compared to vanilla stock. Its also a fast device and I like the build quality compared to the Samsung devices I have owned. Those are my thoughts anyway.
Hi,
I'm selling my Z5 Compact under MM. The decision was hard because I kinda love the fingerprint but...
The battery is a complete joke, it doesn't last a day compared to my old Z3C which is far more better in everything,
The device gets warm and hot all the time, in any application I go (I have no games and I mostly use Google apps and Telegram)
The back camera glass protector has some problem, see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/help/dirty-camera-glass-protection-t3336230
I'm going to take back my good old Z3 Compact which is far more better.
And you ? Do you also share the same feelings about it ?
Before the MM update - yes, I felt the same. Since MM and the newest update mine has been great.
If it weren't for z3c side charging I would have never chosen the z5c. I'm holding onto mine for a bit longer until this HTC mini, s7 mini, and xiaomi mini release. Front facing speakers are keeping me from downgrading back to a mini Samsung for the time being.
And as far as battery life and heat issues I'm right on the same page. I've adapted to it for now by quick charging at lunch time to get me through the work day and clipping phone to me so I'm not burning myself in my pocket.
I am thinking about doing that too, but there are 2 things that keeping me from that, fingerprint sensor and camera! I don't know what to do, wait for S7 Mini,go for S7, wait for SONY to maybe fix issues of this phone or what else?
I think if only this phone had 3GBs of RAM we had no problem or even SONY used good old Snapdragon 801!
i had drain and heat problem until i shutoff 4G, now (3G.5HPSA) only dosnt need really need fast internet
now my phone is 40-90 hours average use , instand 12-30
i have 5.1.1 but maybe it will work also with 6, u can try
I am quite happy with the phones performance and battery life since MM, but I have now preordered the HTC10 and my neighbour is already waiting to buy the Z5C from me. If the HTC10 is as good as I beleive it is, I can overlook the fakt that I hate big phones in this case. Ive been a very happy HTC owner since the HD2 and lastly the M7. The Z5C is a great phone to me, but it will never be more than that. HTC usually managed to float my boat just that tiny bit better than the other brands
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I am quite happy with the phones performance and battery life since MM, but I have now preordered the HTC10 and my neighbour is already waiting to buy the Z5C from me. If the HTC10 is as good as I beleive it is, I can overlook the fakt that I hate big phones in this case. Ive been a very happy HTC owner since the HD2 and lastly the M7. The Z5C is a great phone to me, but it will never be more than that. HTC usually managed to float my boat just that tiny bit better than the other brands
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I used to be a big HTC fan until they went to the one series. They are supposedly bring an h10 mini out with flagship specs this year. Hopefully they don't disappoint like the last two minis, I want to go HTC again.
eivissa said:
I am quite happy with the phones performance and battery life since MM, but I have now preordered the HTC10 and my neighbour is already waiting to buy the Z5C from me. If the HTC10 is as good as I beleive it is, I can overlook the fakt that I hate big phones in this case. Ive been a very happy HTC owner since the HD2 and lastly the M7. The Z5C is a great phone to me, but it will never be more than that. HTC usually managed to float my boat just that tiny bit better than the other brands
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you know the HTC 10 has not stereo speakers anymore? only dual speakers one (lower) for bass and for top on high pitch
Z5C is kind the same thing BUT! still stereo , Z5C top speaker wave range of 150hz-22050KHz and bottom speaker is 500HZ-22050Khz (less bass)
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you know the HTC 10 has not stereo speakers anymore? only dual speakers one (lower) for bass and for top on high pitch
Z5C is kind the same thing BUT! still stereo , Z5C top speaker wave range of 150hz-22050KHz and bottom speaker is 500HZ-22050Khz (less bass)
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Dude, I dont care about that stuff. If I want to listen to music I get me a proper stereo and speakers or headphones. Any cellphone speaker sounds horrible.
What kind of personality disorders do people have these days to need a stabilized photosensor for selfies? Is a look in the mirror in the morning not good enough anymore? Million megapixels cellphone cameras still make crappy pictures in comparison to any 100€ camera Ive gotten my hands on.
Marketing makes us beleive that we need so many things in our cellphones, but in the end they usualy cant to one thing great.
I bought the Z5C because it was the only product available that offered highclass specs in a small phone. I dont like the design of it, the picture quality, speaker sound quality, sony customizations...you name it. Its a good phone for what it is. A phone. Snappy performance and 2 days on a charge make me a happy user.
The HTC10 is not compact, which I am not happy about, but it has a beautiful design and HTC Sense. Apparently it also has better sound quality if you connect good headphones to it and I like to listen to music with the best possible quality. This is an archievable goal in a phone btw...dslr picture quality isnt!
If someone builds a phone with the size of the Z5C (or even smaller), 1080p resolution, aluminium body/looks like the HTC One series, happily dumps the selfy camera and top-spec hardware, but little to no changes to stock android, then I buy that phone in a heartbeat.
The complete contrast for me is Samsung now. Make it huge, put useless features on it and customize it to the max. Full throttle marketing bull**** in my mind, but people seem to love it.
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Dude, I dont care about that stuff. If I want to listen to music I get me a proper stereo and speakers or headphones. Any cellphone speaker sounds horrible.
What kind of personality disorders do people have these days to need a stabilized photosensor for selfies? Is a look in the mirror in the morning not good enough anymore? Million megapixels cellphone cameras still make crappy pictures in comparison to any 100€ camera Ive gotten my hands on.
Marketing makes us beleive that we need so many things in our cellphones, but in the end they usualy cant to one thing great.
I bought the Z5C because it was the only product available that offered highclass specs in a small phone. I dont like the design of it, the picture quality, speaker sound quality, sony customizations...you name it. Its a good phone for what it is. A phone. Snappy performance and 2 days on a charge make me a happy user.
The HTC10 is not compact, which I am not happy about, but it has a beautiful design and HTC Sense. Apparently it also has better sound quality if you connect good headphones to it and I like to listen to music with the best possible quality. This is an archievable goal in a phone btw...dslr picture quality isnt!
If someone builds a phone with the size of the Z5C (or even smaller), 1080p resolution, aluminium body/looks like the HTC One series, happily dumps the selfy camera and top-spec hardware, but little to no changes to stock android, then I buy that phone in a heartbeat.
The complete contrast for me is Samsung now. Make it huge, put useless features on it and customize it to the max. Full throttle marketing bull**** in my mind, but people seem to love it.
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yup also one of the reason i bought this phone because its small, my previous phone was 3.5" sony with walkman WT19 , so even this one abit big for me, lol..
im mostly disappointed of
1.camera lens (plastic) can scartch easly and can ruin the shots
2.photos are noisy\blurry even with good light ,
3.phone heating fast, (even low end apps or, even 4G signal; if high end apps like asphalt 8 in 2mins its 50c\120F)
4.when phone get hotter it become slower ,
5.speakers are uneven and weak , loudspeaker awful, my previous phone was 4times louder didnt need it use of bluetooth in car, now i need...
6.didnt came with quickcharge QC adapter
7.didnt came with in-ear headphones
8.update the phone to MM make it worse battery and lags,camera*, didnt upgrade it yet*
still pretty fast phone with nice battery but not worth the price (mine cost about 800 US$ when i bought it)
My only problems with the phone are:
some hick-ups during normal operations
overheating
average camera
poor system customization options
Otherwise the phone is perfect. The battery is great, I've recently lasted two days (~10% when going to sleep on the 2nd day) with automatic brightness and 24h sync with mobile data, some sms and a few calls, I even played some Hearthstone on a bus. The battery seems to have problems on certain units.
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Mine was 390 USD... gotta love Europe
The z5c came out almost 1 year ago, do you guys think the z5c is still worth buying?
What do you guys think? If no, what would you consider buying, considering the z5c as first option?
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i think yes, small phone, great performance, great camera, didn't have any problems in 5 months except camera lens, but devilcase lens protector fixed that, i would buy again
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I bought it 2 months ago. Totally happy with it. No problems up to now.
I wanted a small phone with good performance, and this one was the only one that fitted these criteria.
My 2nd option was iPhone SE... since I came from an iPhone 4S, I was a bit tired of iOS. Personally I think Android Marshmallow is in a really good shape when compared to iOS, in my opinion it is even better.
Buy.
bought one yesterday. Its the best small phone i could find for the $380 i spent. iPhone SE is about the only other 1 i would have considered.
If you dont require a sd slot there are better options.
I picked one up for USD370 (including shipping) for my wife. She had a Z3C before and loved it, but the screen stopped responding. For that price it is an amazing phone.
The latest firmware almost fixed all stuffs, the phone is pretty usable and finally safe to buy and recommended now. The only thing disapointed me is the photo/video quality still not as good as my older Z1c at high ISO(the sensor indeed got 25MP not only 23MP which is over crowed on a small 1/2.3" size) but no doubt Z5c focus speed and camera speed way faster and screen much much clear.
I think yes if you want to buy a small flagship phone. It's just great in everything, almost. I bought it on February and I love this phone.
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The camera is awesome (front and rear). but sadly it's can't run the camera over 25 min in 4k. The autofocus actually fast this will be great when you record a video. You can make a bokeh, hdr, or a long exposure pictures. And it's camera is also good in low light.
I like the keyboard, you can swipe like swift keyboard and the auto correct is very usefull
The battery life good also, I got 6-8 hours in normal use (social media, music and browsing) and 4-5 hours when I play fifa 16
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The phone getting hot very fast when you use the camera, and play online game like fifa 16.
For me it recently sure was. As a former iPhone 5 user I wanted to switch to Android on a small (< 5" screen) high-end device. Early 2015 I choose a Z3C based on these criteria. Very nice in almost any way, though camera -especially rooted- was kind of crappy.
I recently upgraded to the Z5C based on the same search criteria. It seems that most manufacturers tend to put more low-end hardware in smaller devices, here Sony has done a nice job. I considered the Samsung Galaxy A3, though the Z5C came out best for me.
I look forward to the day that a more complete and stable version of Cyanogenmod will be released for the Z3C This is likely to make my Z35 experience optimal.
I had a z3c, love the small size and massive capabilities. I replaced it with the z5c about 8 months ago. There is no other device on the market I would rather have. Even tried a galaxy S6 for a bit... Hated every moment of having that one.
My only beef with its I cannot have any special software that comes from having a vendor branded device. (No VOIP on AT&T)
Bought one month before. Best decision according to me. But not the best for those who doesnt want small size or fm radio.
How do you guys have "great performance" from your Z5 Compact? Mine runs worse than my older HTC One M8 in games. The Z5 Compact gets hot after 2 minutes of high graphics gaming, however, if you know how to root, install a new kernel etc. you might get good performance. I'd say underclock the CPU and let it get a bit hotter before automatically downclocking. That's at least what I'm trying now. The camera is good, however not the best. Batterylife is better than most phones, speakers are meh, and overall the phone is stable. Used it for 3 months or so and since I got it 100 dollars cheaper than the iPhone SE I think it's good enough. Just hope I can push the performance to at least as good as my One M8 :/
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How do you guys have "great performance" from your Z5 Compact? Mine runs worse than my older HTC One M8 in games. The Z5 Compact gets hot after 2 minutes of high graphics gaming, however, if you know how to root, install a new kernel etc. you might get good performance. I'd say underclock the CPU and let it get a bit hotter before automatically downclocking. That's at least what I'm trying now. The camera is good, however not the best. Batterylife is better than most phones, speakers are meh, and overall the phone is stable. Used it for 3 months or so and since I got it 100 dollars cheaper than the iPhone SE I think it's good enough. Just hope I can push the performance to at least as good as my One M8 :/
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Most of the guys that claim good stories are unrooted so you know they don't actually use their phones. I've had great results in power consumption and heat with androplus v34, but it comes at the price of performance.
My 2 are rooted (one with dry restrored) and running xposed,and xpower rom. Both seem to be faster and smoother than my sons' - much bulkier - m8 and iPhone 6. Can't find anything close to the quality of this phone at this convenient size.
I actually wouldn't recommend it at all since Sony stopped updating the software already. I am still on 1 April security patches. I find that unforgivable. And I'm going to switch to S7 once T-Mobile gets its sheet together –*they raised the price by 100 euro a week before I could extend my contract.
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no software updates
camera is not what I expected
I would actually recommend Z3C over Z5C. It's same size, cheaper, works faster (!), doesn't get hot and the Concept software is awesome.
Going to research rooting now, maybe it will manage memory a bit better.
S6 looks like on the same boat stuck with 1 April security patches. 720P required less memory intensive. Z3c is very easy to get touch screen problem after one year and the camera quality even worse than Z1c. I don't satisfied with Z5c but the price is dropping so I think still worth for new owner.
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I actually wouldn't recommend it at all since Sony stopped updating the software already. I am still on 1 April security patches. I find that unforgivable. And I'm going to switch to S7 once T-Mobile gets its sheet together –*they raised the price by 100 euro a week before I could extend my contract.
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gets hot even without gaming (I reinstalled the software just in case but it didn't help)
no software updates
camera is not what I expected
I would actually recommend Z3C over Z5C. It's same size, cheaper, works faster (!), doesn't get hot and the Concept software is awesome.
Going to research rooting now, maybe it will manage memory a bit better.
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Are you on the latest software? Because i owned the z3c and now the z5c and besides the battery life i love this phone way more. Camera is far better and the software runs pretty smooth also even with a sheet load of apps in the ram is still fast.
Actually, the other important thing bugged me is the slow AC wifi speed but since the compact model got only single wifi antenna(Z5 got dual wifi antenna), it is impossible to top out wifi if you got a damn fast Internet connection and router like me.
When you build a NAS or share files via router, the Z5c can't playback ultra quality videos(like the video shoot from a DSLR at 100M+ 4K) though the connection detected at 433Mbps but in reality, I got only 70~120Mbps around. The speed is faster than 802.11b/g/n and good for general Internet purpose but only reached the very entry quality of AC speed.
Plus the rom I'm running Xpower 3.0(.224) bugged to browser vidoes shared out via win10 smb. I can view any photo but can't playback all videos, tested to roll back 5.1.1 and no problem. Not sure if .253 fixed the issue, been waiting for Xpower 4.0(.253) to release.
Yeah I am on the latest software. I had great hopes for it. But for instance today the phone heated up, stayed hot, lost 70% battery in three hours and then finally shut down with the red light blinking. Ummmmmmmm.
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Yeah I am on the latest software. I had great hopes for it. But for instance today the phone heated up, stayed hot, lost 70% battery in three hours and then finally shut down with the red light blinking. Ummmmmmmm.
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Real hard to solve without root. If you root it, you can flash the Increase thermal-performance mod plus lower down the max cpu clock for the price of slower speed. In my experiences, they are quite a helping hand but sure can't fix all, might be 50% better experiences though.
If the X Compact with sd820 is real coming up, probably it can fix the heat issue(even so, sd820 is also hot). But I doubt I will switch to Xc bcoz Z5c already spend me much money, or only until the price dropping a lot next year.
Screen, Nougat, processor, Daydream, etc? I currently have the Z but keep seeing how people are loving the Z play even more.
Battery. I'm unable to even discharge my Moto Z in a full day of use, how could I discharge the Play?
Seriously... speed and height.
Daydream VR
The VZW Z was $120 with no contract and no trade-in. Got four of them to replacing the aging phones of family members.
Locked bootloader is a huge negative for sure, but with the exception of AdAway, I find myself less concerned with root and custom ROMs given how close to vanilla the Moto is.
If someone figures out how to unlock it, I'll do it without a second thought, but at $120 the specs make it a no-brainer over the Z Play and well worth the risk of being stuck with a locked bootloader (for me).
It's thin and light
Hardware, software (nougat), thickness, the dark frame, the aluminium cover.
Hey guys. I've just gone through this so I thought I'd add my $0.02.
I went into a local shop and got some hands on tune with both of these. Honestly, with normal use I was pretty tough to tell the difference. Even the screens were close enough for that to not be an issue.
In the hand, the play felt better to me. The regular Z was almost too thin and the edges felt quite sharp.
Ultimately, I went with the regular Z and here are my reasons in order of importance to me:
1. Camera
Looking at the pictures taken I that shop there was a marked difference between the two. This may have been exacerbated my the play's lower res screen but the photos taken indoors were more passable to me.
2. Specs
Even though the play was just as smooth navigating Android, my assumption is that the SD 820 in the Z will give it more longevity.
3. Thickness
I have the speaker, camera and battery moto mods. The Z feels much better in the hand with mods installed than the play. Those couple of mm do make a difference.
4. Price
Over here in Aus, there's $300 difference between the play and the Z retail. However, I actually bought my Z on Expansys during a sale for $629 with free shipping. The play was $489 and for me the extra $$$ is comfortably justified.
I still dig the play though. I've had back of my GS7 and even though the GS7 camera is KILLER, I'd probably still pick the okay over it.
That is all, hope that helps anyone else tossing up between the two.
Play camera is considered better. Unless you're in love with the form factor of the Z I don't see it.
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Play camera is considered better. Unless you're in love with the form factor of the Z I don't see it.
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Considered better by who? I think you'd be pressed to find even one review which would support this claim.
Play has more megapixel, sure. But it also has a narrower aperture lens so it's low light performance is always going to produce shots with now noise and less detai.
There's much more to a camera than a sensor. Case in point: Google pixel and Xiaomi Mi5s. Exact same sensor but have you heard anyone talking about the Xiaomi being the best smartphone camera money can buy? There's a reason for that.
I'm not intending to be rude here but for real... if you're going to tout the Play as having a better camera then you need a pretty solid basis for it considering every single review of the Play I came across described the camera as just passable.
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Both Anandtech' and DXO basically say the Z Play has the better camera. The shots I've seen seem to confirm that. Where are the reviews you refer to that compare them DIRECTLY? A whole lot of vitriole in that post.
Lightweight and thin, I can barely feel it in my pocket. I get 5h+ screentime with the combination of Greenify, Lux AB and another app I forget; that schedules system things around the phones hibernation.
Considering that Nougat recently got pushed for the Z Play, it was noted that Daydream VR is not included in the update because of the Z Play's low resolution and less powerful Snapdragon 635 processor. I guess I'm glad I spent the extra few bucks to get the Z instead.
I was going to get the Play, but my carrier stopped offering it, so around here it was about $400 to buy one from the classifieds. Mostly just wanted the bigger battery.
So I got the Z for zero down as an upgrade with my carrier instead. And really, the battery has surprised me. I'm getting 5 to 6 hours screen on time, and the phone charges so fast anyway. So I'm glad I got the Z now. The camera has been a nice surprise too, compared to phones I've previously had.
This is my 3rd Moto. I've had the original X and the N6 also. Have loved all my moto phones.
Still getting the battery mod soon though.
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I was going to get the Play, but my carrier stopped offering it, so around here it was about $400 to buy one from the classifieds. Mostly just wanted the bigger battery.
So I got the Z for zero down as an upgrade with my carrier instead. And really, the battery has surprised me. I'm getting 5 to 6 hours screen on time, and the phone charges so fast anyway. So I'm glad I got the Z now. The camera has been a nice surprise too, compared to phones I've previously had.
This is my 3rd Moto. I've had the original X and the N6 also. Have loved all my moto phones.
Still getting the battery mod soon though.
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Are you with Koodo? I'm with Koodo and they did indeed just stop carrying the Z Play, just when I was thinking of upgrading to it from the X Play I was wondering whether the "regular" Z might be my next choice, and it just may be...
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Are you with Koodo? I'm with Koodo and they did indeed just stop carrying the Z Play, just when I was thinking of upgrading to it from the X Play I was wondering whether the "regular" Z might be my next choice, and it just may be...
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Well, the Z is the better device. No doubt. Minus a headphone jack and the Play has a bigger battery.
The lack of headphone jack is definitely a nuisance. Have to be charged up before watching stuff, or listening to a lot of music. There's Bluetooth headphones out there though too.
The battery life surprised me, not much worse than my oneplus-one, or N6, but not stellar of course. I just got the incipio battery mod, so that solves that. Lol. It's bulkier, but not too crazy.
So it was cash for a play, probably used, or zero for the Z on a two year contract. I'm happy with what I got though.
I'm with bell. Oh, and it's the best camera I've had on a phone so far. I don't expect pics like an actual camera, so this meets my expectations for sure. :good:
Great specs, but mostly due to how thin and sexy it looks. Battery is no big deal to me these days because quick charge is fabulous...
Hey everyone. This is my first post in xda and I joined specifically to ask this question. I'm posting this as a new thread because I wanted an answer from the perspective of 2017.
Should I go for the Z5c or Z3c? I'm looking for a new phone. Personally I love the size of the phones, and I fell in love with the screen positioning on the Z3c, where it's more symmetric unlike the Z5c whose top bezel is bigger. But yeah, the Z5c has the fingerprint sensor, and has better specs I guess? I also prefer the rounded edges of the Z3c, but everyone I know is asking me to go for the Z5c. Help?
Z3C doesn't have Nougat and won't receive updates anymore. Although Z5C has a bit worse battery life, it is better in every other aspect.
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Z3C doesn't have Nougat and won't receive updates anymore. Although Z5C has a bit worse battery life, it is better in every other aspect.
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Will not receiving Nougat matter? From what I've read it caused plenty of bugs in the Z5c. Also, will not having Nougat mean the Z3c won't receive the latest updates on apps?
I'm sorry I don't know a lot
Z5c faster from Z3c almost x2 also finger scanner. better speakers from every Z series (even other z5)
but if you can buy go to Xperia X performance (is only 0.2 bigger and still small) and faster then both, and 3GB RAM, the screen got 1080P and not 720P although is enough if you wont use VR
btw you also have xperia X Compact but hes in-between z3 to z5 so leave it last he just looks like small XZ but specs not much different from z3 and performance if you want better design and android 7
anyway the big cons for me (i have z5c for 1 year now,):
1. 2GB RAM only (If i open highend, big\app\game) it use all the 2GB its even close the whatsapp!
2.the phone gets hot fast 40C/105F degrees after 5 minutes then the device close the big 4cores to cool down (mostly in highend apps)
some software bugs but this you can change(ROM) and or get updates so its any sony phone
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software bugs in Z5's started from 6 marshmallow not from 7 nugget
the big bugs for me is
1.limited charge voltage cannot be turned off (maybe thats why some ppl get abit low life battery its like the battery stop charging at 90%) but its good to the long term anyway to prolong battery life
2.unbalance speakers (only in the stock app they fix it)
3.only one speaker works in ringtones
I'd say the z3c is getting a bit long in the tooth now, however, the Z5 is a bit of a disaster - overheats, battery drain issues, and the nougat firmware is littered with bugs. If you absolutely have to have a Sony compact, go for the X compact. In most cases it faster than a Z5C for general usage due to the dire throttling of the processor in the Z5C. (Z5C will still be better for gaming, if you wear oven gloves)
Personally, I'm waiting to see what comes along next, as I'm hoping for an XZ compact or similar.
i agree with stevo almost on all parts he said, beside battery, i charging my phone every 2days, or every 24hours on average+ usage . even with the battery software bug
and X compact Cpu only bit better, and not get hot,
but GPU is almost 2 times faster on the z5c , if you dont gaming Xperia XC will be enough for you
anyway im not happy with sony anymore, and probably my last device from them, customer service and support is sucks, they rarely update with new device come up, they barely put in any updates
i was also looking for small device with P68 and stereo speakers , and this was the closest most companies stopped doing mini phones with high end specs
also iwas happy with my previous sony, the speakers was X2 better and louder i didn't even needed bluetooth for my car, now i got one..
he got CM updates till 2day and he from 2011, and the fourm there is still active Z5C barely a year or so and this forum dieing, meaning ,less Customs Roms, and updates from sony for sure,, the last android will be no more than N7.1.1
z3 compact is my proposal.
A ton of custom roms makes sure your phone stays lightning fast, very customizable, root without unlock bootloader, a couple of camera mods with unbelievable quality, a bit better battery, not getting warm, cheaper ...
I had it a few weeks, got stolen, then i went and bought the z5compact.
I am still searching for someone to switch phones with...
personal opinion,
new processor+new camera+fingerprint <<< community support