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ZTE announced as being banned from use by US officials.
Very interesting, I haven't seen concrete evidence posted.
1) any record of "phone home" packet being sent via stock firmware(like BLU)?
2) is there a hardware embedded or software or both tech concern?
3) would lineageOS devices be susceptible to this?
What steps has anyone takeno ameliorate concerns?
cyrusharding said:
ZTE announced as being banned from use by US officials.
Very interesting, I haven't seen concrete evidence posted.
1) any record of "phone home" packet being sent via stock firmware(like BLU)?
2) is there a hardware embedded or software or both tech concern?
3) would lineageOS devices be susceptible to this?
What steps has anyone takeno ameliorate concerns?
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Why do you suspect it's because of a security concern? The US govt wanted to ban Huawei on selling phones via carrier on the US, they failed, so now they are banning ZTE and Huawei phones on the govt. They just don't want them selling on the US.
Anyways yes we found out about one app that sent location info to some place in China. That was before they changed to Qualcomm IZat. Before that, when you were setting up your phone, they asked you if you wanted to use that app to improve gps performance, so you actually were asked if you wanted to use it anyways. Aside that I think there was nothing else.
There are some data logging apps on the Play store anyways, so you could see which apps are sending data
When I first had stock I found that the lockscreen wallpaper thingy would query a server in China with your phone's IMEI in the URL string. At one point I also found where they would find their wallpapers on the web. Like, they just skimmed them from "best photos of 2012" sorts of articles.
Anyways, I think I used things like NetGuard and Wireshark to capture packets and see what they looked like to glean that information on what was being sent to random servers when clicking around on some features on the stock ROM.
Aside from that, this stuff with ZTE, Huawei and the U.S. gov't has been going on since like 2009 or so. They've never released proof every time it comes up. They have this speculative fear that someday Huawei could embed snooping software in networking hardware (routers and stuff) but there's never been any proof. For ZTE, they didn't like that ZTE made business deals with Iran a few years ago.
The summer before this phone was released, Congress lifted sanctions on ZTE to allow them to trade in the U.S. ZTE consequently opened up their books and let our gov't sift through their business dealings and find intelligence on North Korea's business dealings, amongst other things I'm sure.
The impression I got is the U.S. gov't works on gathering intelligence and uses pressure against industries in other countries to get what they want through threatening a foreign government by going through their businesses.
Bottom line: I have no idea if they do shady stuff because no one has given any proof.
I can cite sources but that's the gist of my thoughts on the subject.
I just think this means government officials can't use phones from Huawei or ZTE
But that makes sense, I remember in stock rom I took photos with location on, and those photos had a location of a factory/office in Shanghai, China which made me very suspicious
It isn't just phones. Huawei produces business-class and telco-class networking equipment. That's why they get more of the coverage and speculative concern.
This 60 Minutes episode was kinda my introduction to the story a few years ago.
And then right around the time I bought this phone the U.S. lifted sanctions against ZTE
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-to...sanction-relief-to-chinas-zte-corp-1458511694
Here's an article on ZTE giving up financials to us on North Korea
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-target-north-korea-violators-with-zte-s-help
Granted, ZTE has also done a few things the U.S. didn't like in regards to trade with Iran and North Korea and Huawei (I gathered) would reverse engineer Cisco equipment to steal their intellectual property.
At this point it sounds indirectly harmless for you and me.
Teet1 said:
I just think this means government officials can't use phones from Huawei or ZTE
But that makes sense, I remember in stock rom I took photos with location on, and those photos had a location of a factory/office in Shanghai, China which made me very suspicious
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That was the previous location accelerator weird thingamajig i think
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That was the previous location accelerator weird thingamajig i think
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It didn't do much of that location acceleration if my pictures and Google maps all pointed to china
I am glad I wasn't the only one to perceive corporate agendas ''vs an actual threat. ZTE has been amazing. The only time I have seen dev and device support like theirs was with Moto in their first google year. ZTE was the only one doing something good for me in 2016 devices. I was pissed to read all of the stories against ZTE. Mostly because it is obviously click bait. _typed from my freshly received Axon 7 $79 refurb Hands down the industry's best warranty.
This whole spying thing is always silly. IMO the US would have to be the number one suspect for a spying nation. Things like Google commercialised spying. We might be served adds using our data but what else is being done with it?
My thought is that if the US points the finger, maybe it's because they do it already themselves and are paranoid about others doing as they do.....
ZTE has been caught using spyware and the Axon 7 does have suspicious software on it. The odd thing is that Google is collects enormous amounts of personal data and nobody seems to mind. It even leaks that data back out in the form of ad selections, search result rankings, and Google Maps detail rankings.
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ZTE has been caught using spyware and the Axon 7 does have suspicious software on it. The odd thing is that Google is collects enormous amounts of personal data and nobody seems to mind. It even leaks that data back out in the form of ad selections, search result rankings, and Google Maps detail rankings.
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Can you tell us where you read the first statement? The worst thing we've seen here is a gps accelerator app sending stuff to somewhere in China, but that's not necessarily spyware since they might just be sending location data
Huawei will no longer offer unlockable bootloaders on their devices after May 2018.
They'll end support for unlocked devices sold prior to May 2018 in 60 days.
Here's the article.
Anyone else up to speed on this?
Az Biker said:
Huawei will no longer offer unlockable bootloaders on their devices after May 2018.
They'll end support for unlocked devices sold prior to May 2018 in 60 days.
Here's the article.
Anyone else up to speed on this?
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I just saw that last night. I think it stinks. We have 3 honor phones in our family. The older phones get 60 more days of unlock possibility. Guess I will request unlock codes for them while I still can.
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the cynic in me is convinced that Huawei is bowing to Chinese government pressure.
to keep tighter control over Chinese citizens, and to prevent them from getting around the GFW.
sh!t move, they deserve to lose support and good will from the community.
thanks for the post, now i have to request a code for a Mate 9.
Is this in any way relevant if you only have the Nexus6P from Huawei (and no other Huawei propducts)?
I thought all nexus models are unlockable by using fastboot or am I wrong about that?
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Is this in any way relevant if you only have the Nexus6P from Huawei (and no other Huawei propducts)?
I thought all nexus models are unlockable by using fastboot or am I wrong about that?
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It has nothing to do with Nexus6P. Only the Honor and Huawei branded phones.
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It has nothing to do with Nexus6P. Only the Honor and Huawei branded phones.
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Pardon me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the back of our phone scream HUAWEI right down by the charger port, thus making it a Huawei branded phone?
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Pardon me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the back of our phone scream HUAWEI right down by the charger port, thus making it a Huawei branded phone?
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That's not what he meant only that newer Huawei phones will be made this way.
Exodusche said:
That's not what he meant only that newer Huawei phones will be made this way.
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Lol, I was going to say, I don't expect us to get anymore OTA's that would be able to relock our bootloaders.
The 6p hardware is made by huwai but the branding is Google. And Google handles the software updates and I dont think Google would ever lock the bootloader on a Nexus or pixel phone
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Pardon me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the back of our phone scream HUAWEI right down by the charger port, thus making it a Huawei branded phone?
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It may scream Huawei. Even it Google bought the hardware from Huawei, it's Google's software that is running the phone. Essentially it is Google's phone that they sold to the public. Locking the bootloader is a decision that Huawei made to do with it's branded phones (Honor and Huawei phones). From Huawei, "In order to deliver the best user experience and prevent users from experiencing possible issues that could arise from ROM flashing, including system failure, stuttering, worsened battery performance, and risk of data being compromised, Huawei will cease providing bootloader unlock codes for devices launched after May 25, 2018." It added, "For devices launched prior to the aforementioned date, the termination of the bootloader code application service will come into effect 60 days after today's announcement. Moving forward, Huawei remains committed to providing quality services and experiences to its customers. Thank you for your continued support."
Again, this only impacts the Huawei and Honor phones. Not phones that other companies may have purchased from Huawei and rebranded as their own. Also, just to point out it does impact all Huawei and Honor branded phones. It's just that the "older" phones are given an additional 60 days.
Chinese GOVT has 2 much power & influence...
Nese govt is a ? anyway, never had a phone that was Chinese owned. I was worried even w/ ? bootloader, the nese govt has implanted Spyware or worse inside the firmware, a hidden partition, & or even the actual silicon! No thanks.. Suspicious w/ trade war heating ?. Probably have enough sold 2 cause chaos... I think I've heard I heard it all....
An executive order has been signed by Trump banning Huawei in the US...
Also Qualcomm (QCOM) may have to apply for US export licenses to continue supplying technology to Huawei.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/15/tech/trump-executive-order-telecom-security/index.html
Why worry about Huawei when Google, facebook and the countries intelligence are already spying.
I think the problem lies with 5G, Huawei are trying the set up the infrastructure for 5G across Asia, Europe and the US amongst over areas. Which means that they'll have a back door to almost everything connected to 5G.
5G will connect to everything, even LED lights in your home which basically gives them a 3D view of every area 5G covers. Whoever has access to it will know where you are nearly all the time.
The timing makes it obvious the steps against Huawei is derivative of the US trade war with China rather than concerns over spying.
warea said:
The timing makes it obvious the steps against Huawei is derivative of the US trade war with China rather than concerns over spying.
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I wonder if it makes sense to care about that. Huawei prices are dropping and people try to sell there used phones. A good moment to buy something like that.
Am I totally wrong in thinking that Trump will probably not stop xda developers from developing updates for Huawei phones? If so I do not care about Huaweis updates or wether they include Gapps
But sadly XDA is not able to develop updates for Huawei beacause of locked bootloader etc, so what you are trying to say is......?
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But sadly XDA is not able to develop updates for Huawei beacause of locked bootloader etc, so what you are trying to say is......?
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I do not own a huawei phone (yet) and am still investigating about existing roms. Is there really no easy way to unlock bootloader for huawei devices in general? That would definitely stop me from buying huawei.
BTW: of you quote me I see your post faster
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I do not own a huawei phone (yet) and am still investigating about existing roms. Is there really no easy way to unlock bootloader for huawei devices in general? That would definitely stop me from buying huawei.
BTW: of you quote me I see your post faster
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No there is no easy way, even no way at all at the moment.
I am quite relaxed at the moment, for existing phones there will still be support, future phones could be a HUGE problem. But to be honest, A LOT switch their phones after 2 years or even before, so most people will not be touched by this ban who are currently owning this awesome phone.
I don't think Huawei spies. Even if they did, are they the only big players who do it?
US already spies on their citizens and on the world - Edward Snowden told the world and now he's not allowed back into his country. Facebook also sells your data if you remember that Cambridge Analytica drama.
Do people just forget what's happened?
Agree, i am total sure that Apple has a file with my data and i didn´t even touched an apple device in my life
that doesn´t make spying good, but i also think huawei is not doing more/less than the rest
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No there is no easy way, even no way at all at the moment.
I am quite relaxed at the moment, for existing phones there will still be support, future phones could be a HUGE problem. But to be honest, A LOT switch their phones after 2 years or even before, so most people will not be touched by this ban who are currently owning this awesome phone.
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this is not my attitude towards phones. Mine is rather: use the device until warranty is over (or a bit earlier) then root and install a custom rom and use the phone until it is really dead. Unfortunately it seems like that did not take too long on my Asus Zenfone selfie ...
I also use phones quite long, but really a lot people get a new one every year or every two years by contract. The same people which are now selling their phones because of panic^^
if you plan on using custom rom/modification huawei is not suitable for you, it is just not possible. maybe the android ban will change something, but nobody can say that, you will have to wait to see what will happen.
Since no one else has said it on this thread let me be the first, Trump is an idiot, when he's gone the whole world will be better for it. He can't even honor D-day survivors without making it all about him, the ultimate draft dodger.
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-loses-access-to-google-android-987873/
Reading the latest news, I can't decide whether laughing or crying....
It's concerning for us who just upgraded to the P30 Pro. I'm wondering if it's a bill pay upgrade would I be able to change my mind and go to the S10 plus now.
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It's concerning for us who just upgraded to the P30 Pro. I'm wondering if it's a bill pay upgrade would I be able to change my mind and go to the S10 plus now.
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The world isn't work like this. Nobody enforced you to buy any Huawei devices.
If you want to make a complaint, then write to Google or to Donald Trump.
Have we sell the p30 pro?
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The world isn't work like this. Nobody enforced you to buy any Huawei devices.
If you want to make a complaint, then write to Google or to Donald Trump.
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The world does work like this ,it's consumer protection. Nobody forces you to buy a contract / bill item but by law you have cooling off periods and protection when the item isn't as described. We could argue that the item is no longer as described due to losing access to official Android updates and applications
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Worst thing is, if we opt to sell, no one will buy it due to these restrictions. I shave 3 years on this contract... Talk about D's
Huawei unlocks its devices, we install play store services and carry on
So what…. Trump is working on the next big Economic Crisis for the US... Huawei will found a Solution and have his own Appstore
Greetings Raffi
I am concerned about the updates
Finally my p30 pro feels so snappy with 153 that made me excited about Android q and Updates then this comes along
And is it going to effect the other Chinese manufacturers like OnePlus oppo xiaomi or not, these are the only ones left to provide us with the latest best tech without the redeculas 1000$+ that's becoming normal even for LG
Stupid
I am worried about this too, it also makes me think that if this news changes soon something like this could happen in the future because of the issues regarding huawei and America and also the UK where i am stopping Huawei from creating the 5G networks.
I happened to request a return for my P30 Pro within the 14 days period, i got sent the bag to send it back in, and says i have 30 days from when i made that request, i am within them 30 days still, so not i am really wondering if i should just send this phone back and get an S10?
Apparently this happened to ZTE before however they were reinstated again and approved. So time will tells
I think I have made my mind up, I have always been with Samsung, i was really loving OneUI on my s8+ before i got the p30 pro, i only got it as i thought i'd give it a go assuming it can't be that different, i have posted many bugs and annoyances here since getting the p30 pro, some of which i have fixed, some i can't, the EMUI software is really bad and doesn't seem well developed at all.
I think i will get an s10+
I don't care. I believe that Huawei most likely have the capacity to do their own firmware now. They'll do their own firmware and run their own app store. They're big enough now that they'll be able to make it work. Will be nice to have an alternative third ecosystem in the phone world.
I guess it's good bye now to any future security patches. Don't think Huawei's own OS would a viable alternative either. It's new and it will definitely have a lot of issues with third party apps compatibility for example, syncing to wear os devices.
Anyways, it was stated that current phones are not effected by this so i guess the main issue for us now would be upcoming security patches and firmware update.
Reckon the best option would be to sell it off.
Don worry guys...
https://www.businessinsider.in/Chin...d-Microsoft-products/articleshow/68433984.cms
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Don worry guys...
https://www.businessinsider.in/Chin...d-Microsoft-products/articleshow/68433984.cms
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It will be like giving your phone admin access to china
Isn't android open source? The AOSP code for any future android OS will always be available. Huawei can always use androids open code into their devices for future security patches.
Google and 5 eyes are already spying on you. How come you don't care about that?
Huwaei phone will not recieve any android specifc code from Google , no more secutity updates , no more Google Play, no more APIs ,,,
Everthing is just blocked by US /Google now ,,
Huwaei journey in androd ends here as they will only have Aosp access which is plain deadland now days as most of the apis have migrated to Google play services
hunhool said:
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-loses-access-to-google-android-987873/
Reading the latest news, I can't decide whether laughing or crying....
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I was all set to buy the p30pr0 but now...
Hi,
So because of getting into the Blacklist Google stopped there business with huawei.
Some websites say that huawei will not get anymore updates from Google some say they will still get updates and so on but only later than usual due to not getting it before the open source release.
So I'm confused now what does that mean for as consumers? Will we still get updates like to Android q or?
jizang said:
Hi,
So because of getting into the Blacklist Google stopped there business with huawei.
Some websites say that huawei will not get anymore updates from Google some say they will still get updates and so on but only later than usual due to not getting it before the open source release.
So I'm confused now what does that mean for as consumers? Will we still get updates like to Android q or?
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It means Huawei might be suspended from official support from development, tech support and collaboration from Google/Android work group directly. AOSP is still can be accessible to Huawei as an alternative, however, there's no set mandate regarding how frequently AOSP might be updated to Q. Any future updates can be much later than official source comparing with other factory names. It is likely but no set agenda.
It is very disappointing how US government uses all its possible resourcing pipeline in one nation trying to make an original 'open-sourced' platform now becoming a 'close-ended' product to kill a tech company. Very shameful action.
Boo hoo, Google and USA government. Can't take the capitalistic pressure no more I see. The very same capitalism that you pushed down their throats those years ago. Sore losers.
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https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-loses-access-to-google-android-987873/amp/
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https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-loses-access-to-google-android-987873/amp/
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Yeah the apps will work, but looks like we still won't get updates.....
Limeybastard said:
Boo hoo, Google and USA government. Can't take the capitalistic pressure no more I see. The very same capitalism that you pushed down their throats those years ago. Sore losers.
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But I don't think it's capitalistic for a company to have unfair advantage from the government. China is not playing a fair game and since pretty much every company in China is affiliated with the government, it's definitely not a captilistic system. Protecting their own companies and making it hard for foreign ones to compete is not captilistic. They kicked out Google, Facebook, Twitter and even Wikipedia which is as unfair an advantage as you can get for companies like Baidu and wechat. These home grown companies certainly would not be able to compete with the foreign ones without a boost from the government. Again that's not free market competition or capitalistic. They force foreign companies who spend hard cash on R&D to just hand over their intellectual property to Chinese companies. I'm sorry but that's not what capatilism is about. I like Huawei phones and until recently I had used quite a few of them so it's sad for me to see them hit hard like this. However, this move by the US government was long overdue and I support it (quite possibly the only policy of this government that I support). Next time somebody mentions that this is unfair, please do some research and see what is going on in China.
Guys there is already 3 threads speaking about it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7048323/Google-blocks-Huawei-using-apps-phones.html
seti007 said:
But I don't think it's capitalistic for a company to have unfair advantage from the government. China is not playing a fair game and since pretty much every company in China is affiliated with the government, it's definitely not a captilistic system. Protecting their own companies and making it hard for foreign ones to compete is not captilistic. They kicked out Google, Facebook, Twitter and even Wikipedia which is as unfair an advantage as you can get for companies like Baidu and wechat. These home grown companies certainly would not be able to compete with the foreign ones without a boost from the government. Again that's not free market competition or capitalistic. They force foreign companies who spend hard cash on R&D to just hand over their intellectual property to Chinese companies. I'm sorry but that's not what capatilism is about. I like Huawei phones and until recently I had used quite a few of them so it's sad for me to see them hit hard like this. However, this move by the US government was long overdue and I support it (quite possibly the only policy of this government that I support). Next time somebody mentions that this is unfair, please do some research and see what is going on in China.
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government influence???:good::good:???they keep saying chinese govt has influence, yet without prove....!!now which companies being influence/ties by govt??? us companies following trump orders??? and this is not influence??? so confuse here???
Funny...
Shipoftheline said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7048323/Google-blocks-Huawei-using-apps-phones.html
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Phew, now that I've seen it in the mail, I know it's not true - false alarm people
jizang said:
Hi,
So because of getting into the Blacklist Google stopped there business with huawei.
Some websites say that huawei will not get anymore updates from Google some say they will still get updates and so on but only later than usual due to not getting it before the open source release.
So I'm confused now what does that mean for as consumers? Will we still get updates like to Android q or?
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Hey
You heard correct that Google has blacklisted and terminated all business with Huawei.
For the current Huawei devices that are in stock or being used Google will provide there services but for the future Huawei phones there will be no Google. Currently Huawei has got its licence temporary unbanned for 90 days which means they will provide Google updates till August and after that you won't be able to get the next version of android through Huawei until you root your phone and push the update yourself.
Hope this helped
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Phew, now that I've seen it in the mail, I know it's not true - false alarm people
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Oh sorry I'll post a lefty source for the leftist
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/huawei-phones-bumped-ee-vodafone-16182814
That better comrade?
PS why do you guys always claim to speak for everyone??
Shipoftheline said:
Oh sorry I'll post a lefty source for the leftist
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/huawei-phones-bumped-ee-vodafone-16182814
That better comrade?
PS why do you guys always claim to speak for everyone??
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This is better...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/9128354/huawei-binned-from-ee-5g-lineup/
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seti007 said:
But I don't think it's capitalistic for a company to have unfair advantage from the government. China is not playing a fair game and since pretty much every company in China is affiliated with the government, it's definitely not a captilistic system. Protecting their own companies and making it hard for foreign ones to compete is not captilistic. They kicked out Google, Facebook, Twitter and even Wikipedia which is as unfair an advantage as you can get for companies like Baidu and wechat. These home grown companies certainly would not be able to compete with the foreign ones without a boost from the government. Again that's not free market competition or capitalistic. They force foreign companies who spend hard cash on R&D to just hand over their intellectual property to Chinese companies. I'm sorry but that's not what capatilism is about. I like Huawei phones and until recently I had used quite a few of them so it's sad for me to see them hit hard like this. However, this move by the US government was long overdue and I support it (quite possibly the only policy of this government that I support). Next time somebody mentions that this is unfair, please do some research and see what is going on in China.
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But it doesn't affect outside users if china bans fb, or does it?
Hopefully this means Huawei will start giving out Bootloader codes again.
Shipoftheline said:
Oh sorry I'll post a lefty source for the leftist
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/huawei-phones-bumped-ee-vodafone-16182814
That better comrade?
PS why do you guys always claim to speak for everyone??
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I'm not speaking for anyone but myself, but the mail champions the same brand of politics as the administration the invoked this ridiculous campaign against Huawei, i.e. the far right
djingonthenet said:
I'm not speaking for anyone but myself
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Oh my bad I must have read it wrong, oh wait no
djingonthenet said:
false alarm people
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djingonthenet said:
but the mail champions the same brand of politics as the administration the invoked this ridiculous campaign against Huawei, i.e. the far right
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Its the worlds most read online newspaper whether people like you like it or not and they were spot on again about this, do you need some tissues?
Better 'far-right' than far-wrong
Huawei in talks with Aptoide for a Play store replacement.
https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_rep...lacement_for_google_play_store-news-37174.php
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Its the worlds most read online newspaper whether people like you like it or not and they were spot on again about this, do you need some tissues?
Better 'far-right' than far-wrong
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I do hope you can see the irony of that statement :laugh: Either way take care :good: