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I am considering to buy LG Optimus G E970 Unlocked from USA.
Request all owners to kindly suggest me if this is worth buying?
My query is about
battery life
build quality
screen display
performance, etc.
Pl advice.
pnperl said:
I am considering to buy LG Optimus G E970 Unlocked from USA.
Request all owners to kindly suggest me if this is worth buying?
My query is about
battery life
build quality
screen display
performance, etc.
Pl advice.
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Ok I'll give you my 2 cents:
Battery Life: From good to meh depending on usage and rom. Had problems with wakelocks in the past which didn't let my phone go to deep sleep, problems went away after flahing EG8 rom(stock modded rom, I like LG's UI)
Build Quality: This phone is GORGEOUS! LG really knows how to make phones. Mine has fallen a few times and has survived without problems, might want to get a case though.
Screen display: screen is IPS which is good, better viewing angles than my previous phone(an xperia ION) colors are nice and punchy.
Performance: This is my first "superphone" as antutu calls it, the phone is very snappy. I can run pretty much anything and havent experienced lag. Tweak it further with a custom kernel and you can get even better performance or even better battery life.
Camera: coming from sony I must say i'm a bit disappointed. The 8MP on this phone isn't bad, I just find it lacking some features (really miss the honami ported cam app from my ION). I've managed to get some good shots though, and with apps like camera FV you can get some really decent pics and effects(I played with long exposure during christmas, got some really nice light trails).
Modding:Rooting is easy, unlocking the bootloader is VERY easy, installing custom recoveries is also easy. Flashing with LNGPST (LG's flashtool) can be a bit tricky though. There are quite a few stock based roms as well as 4.3/4.4 roms to choose from.
Overall: This phone can be bought new on amazon and ebay for a little over $200, for that price you get a very good bang for buck. Shame LG isn't updating this phone to 4.3 or 4.4, .
thanks for review
but battery life is more important to as I'm online every time.
can battery survive more than a day?
pnperl said:
thanks for review
but battery life is more important to as I'm online every time.
can battery survive more than a day?
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I Haven't tweaked it enough for it, but honestly i dont think so. Guess it depends on usage(I do heavy ingress gaming, plus PVZ2 and Dead trigger 2 as well as music and social media).
pnperl said:
thanks for review
but battery life is more important to as I'm online every time.
can battery survive more than a day?
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Gentle use (Web browsing / Facebook / forums) with a good ROM you can see 4+ hours screen on with 20+ hours up time. That gets me through a day easily. With gaming or especially ingress in more than small amounts, there are very few options to get a whole day from any phone. I carry an external battery for ingress sessions.
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Gentle use (Web browsing / Facebook / forums) with a good ROM you can see 4+ hours screen on with 20+ hours up time. That gets me through a day easily. With gaming or especially ingress in more than small amounts, there are very few options to get a whole day from any phone. I carry an external battery for ingress sessions.
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Off Topic:
I carry a car charger for my ingress runs, pretty much all activity here has to be done by car(Tegucigalpa, Honduras, Central America), Go Resistance!
Back on topic:
If you need something with a bigger battery you might want to go with the G Pro. The AT&T variant is reasonably priced (around $300) and has a beefier battery and bigger screen.
Battery : With stock ROM and Zero Tweaks , you'll not obtain a very good battery life. It can sustain a day , though with light to moderate usage.
When you install modded apps , and custom roms , or patches to improve battery life , then the phone can easily last two days with light use.
For me , I am using couple of tweaks , and now my phone can easily stretch up to two days on one charge.
However , once you set all the 4 cores ablaze , i.e. turn on performance mode , and start playing HD games and running intensive tasks , the battery drains quite quickly. But still is considerably okay.
So for battery life , I would say it's not on the high end but it's not that bad either. It's okay.
Camera : To be honest , the camera results are poor. Not acceptable enough from a 8mp shooter with such a powerful engine. I have had Nokia N95 , Atrix 4g , and couple of other 5-8mp shooters , but the results are pretty much the same despite this one being newer in terms of technology.
I am using some tweaked camera profile settings , and it seems to drive somewhat better results , but still not to be called anything better than acceptable.
If you are planning to use default Stock ROM camera app , then let me tell you that this one has hard time concentrating and focusing .
Display: If I were to explain this is one word , I would say - Awesome!!!!!
Yeah , this is one of those smartphones with best display technologies and color reproduction. The color reproduced are bright , natural and very realistic. The screen has excellent contrast ratios , despite being a non-amoled unit.
At low brightness the display really goes dark enough , and high brightness , the white appears very true , which I think is good.
The sunlight legibility is good , but only at highest brightness settings.
Touchscreen response is really good.
Cons : Highly reflective surface of the display , weak and prone to cracks.
Performance : This is the part of story where this beast outperformed every competitor it had in it's class. It's really fast and snappy.
Krait is known for their performance , and this one has 4 of them running at 1.5Ghz each , with a powerful Adreno 320GPU which can sufficiently drive that gorgeous 720p Display.
I never felt anything that can be called lag relating to lack of sufficient hardware. The UI is almost fluid , and beautiful.
I have played heavy games , like Asphalt 8 , ShadowGun , NFS MW , Strike Team , MC4 , etc and the performance was nothing less that fluid. Never felt a jitter in performance.
Though , the phone heats up a little bit. You can either relate that to the all front and rear glass design that traps the heat generated.It doesn't really heats up like hell , but still you can feel the temps. after playing 20-25mins of HD games.
2GB of ram is more than sufficient at present scenario. Plus the introduction of Kitkat has even lowered that demand , though I am not really sure if LG's going to deliver Kitkat to this previous flagship device.
Build Quality : Excellent but Prone to Cracks and Death by Fall due to all glass design.
Yeah , this one is one hell of a gorgeous phone if you love workmanship. This one sports gorilla glass at front and rear! Yeah it's glass at back. . It's a thing to be proud of as well as to be concerned of at the same time.
There have been reports that the glass at back is not as strong as LG says it should be. It's prone to developing cracks at random places , either by slight pressure or by heat build up.
So if you are planning to buy this phone , then please be sure not to drop it , because that is guaranteed spider art at the rear .
Or else buy a protective case , which really does it's job. Trust me , you are going to need it one day.
Other then the glass menace , the rest of the phone is excellent as far as build quality is concerned. It looks beautiful too.Slim profile and sexy looks.
Speakers : Outstanding , and loud enough for you to not miss your notifications and calls even in the loudest environments. It scores a lot more than almost all of the flagship smartphones when it comes to loudness.
However , the good thing to notice is that despite of being so loud , the clarity is outstanding. It's crystal clear and never feels like a broken pipe even at highest levels.
Network reception : it's quite effective and good. Since , LG has used rear-glass so its even better.
Can receive signals even in the darkest corners , but I have used phones with better signal reception , like Nokia and Motorola based phones.
Call quality - Call quality is very good. The microphone records , crystal clear sound , and the phone's call earpiece is very loud and clear. But at higher levels it feels a bit blown.
User Interface : Well the stock UI is really attractive , and extremely fluid. There are hell lots of bloatwares though on the At&T variant.
I have tried several ROMS , but I am still with Stock UI as I am still in love with it.
Ease of use : Well this one is a Nexus's kin. ( Nexus 4 ) , So expect a lot from it. They share a lot of similarities , and that leaves you with lots of possibilities. There was a time , when people even converted their OG into a fully blown Nexus 4 . ( You heard me right.) Though , its recommended any longer , because of risks involved and the availability of Nexus roms in heaps. ( And they are good too. Thanks to the Devs.)
The phone is easy to root , unlock and install custom roms.
The LG phones are notorious for not having huge community , but still this one being close to Nexus 4 , received better support . Yeah , there are good members here , who have lot to say.
Even if you land in trouble , there are devs who have found out a method to resurrect your phone damn easily . That Potion Of Life is known by the Name "LGNPST" . It's the potion of life for OG ,and the favorite among LGOG community. At least in my consideration it is . I am sure others will agree too.
Let me know if there's a part which I missed in my views about this phone.
Excellent review @Rishi.
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Sony have updated their Z1 and Tablet Z. When are we expecting a Z2 Ultra?
Ukbondraider said:
Sony have updated their Z1 and Tablet Z. When are we expecting a Z2 Ultra?
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this is for Xperia Z Ultra Forum only LOL
Ukbondraider said:
Sony have updated their Z1 and Tablet Z. When are we expecting a Z2 Ultra?
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hopefully not anytime soon, its only been out like 6 months, they did release a smaller version of it, the T2 ultra
sony cant really get any bigger without having tablets that you can make and call with
and they might not make one at all if sales werent great
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The improvement might be too minimal i guess. It is like they already reached the maximum size for a phone. Bigger than that it's a tablet. The only improvement they can do might be related to the camera but that's it. Maybe lower power ips screen will be nice to have (I'm not sure if the z ultra screen is really ips, because at some angle, the loss of contrast is still there but still far better than Z1, plus sony never mention ips about z ultra screen, only starting from Z1C) and negligible performance gain with newer soc. Other than that, the Z Ultra is still very much adequate for my needs.
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I don't mine getting a flash and better camera upgrade if there is a Z Ultra 2 on the horizon.
Yeah there is not much that can be done with the Ultra to make it better really.
A better camera for those who care. I dont as I have a camera for that.
A flash would be nice as a flashlight.
And if they could somehow keep it the same way and give me a removable battery then that would be my dream
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The improvement might be too minimal i guess. It is like they already reached the maximum size for a phone. Bigger than that it's a tablet. The only improvement they can do might be related to the camera but that's it. Maybe lower power ips screen will be nice to have (I'm not sure if the z ultra screen is really ips, because at some angle, the loss of contrast is still there but still far better than Z1, plus sony never mention ips about z ultra screen, only starting from Z1C) and negligible performance gain with newer soc. Other than that, the Z Ultra is still very much adequate for my needs.
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They can't or won't make it any bigger. Just check out the Z2 and you'll see that they have made the bezel a little smaller, so they'll probably continue with that. They can also not make it any thinner without either removing the minijack or making a bump on the back, which will ruin their Omni Balance design, so that won't happen either. The Ultra does have an IPS panel, but the "loss of contrast" is actually light from the LEDs. I guess they can do something about that though.
So i guess the Ultra 2 will be just as thin, and probably just as big with a better display (like the one on the Z2), and probably a Snapdragon 801 or 805, and that's pretty much it, i guess?
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Yeah there is not much that can be done with the Ultra to make it better really. \
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Huh?
A flash and brighter screen for starters.
Z Ultra is obscenely behind the times in these two categories when compared with less expensive and even older superphones.
CZ Eddie said:
Huh?
A flash and brighter screen for starters.
Z Ultra is obscenely behind the times in these two categories when compared with less expensive and even older superphones.
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I'd rather have the unsaturated colours on the Ultra.
CZ Eddie said:
Huh?
A flash and brighter screen for starters.
Z Ultra is obscenely behind the times in these two categories when compared with less expensive and even older superphones.
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The Screen is very bright imo, How much bright do you want it to be? Or in other term, how much faster do you want the battery to go down the drain? If i bring it outdoor it's perfectly readable in sunlight, and plus the auto brightness works perfectly.
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Hope there's no such phone like Z2 Ultra,I only want Z Ultra be the Sony's only big phone apart from the T2 something..
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Same size chassis
Bigger screen/smaller bezels
Better speaker
Flash
Better camera
Removable battery
That would make this phone perfect, IMO.
The ZU is like an indie rock band with a good following. It may never be as big as Justin Bieber or Lady Gaga, but people will continue to buy it if it hovers at that phone/tablet border; it's a true phablet. I will buy another with updated hardware. Would they really lose that much by scaling the production back a bit?
Poi25 said:
Same size chassis
Bigger screen/smaller bezels
Better speaker
Flash
Better camera
Removable battery
That would make this phone perfect, IMO.
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No, that would make a completely different phone.
I agree on the first two, the speaker is more than ok for me, I don't care for the flash and camera, and I most certainly won't risk the waterproofing for a removable battery (I'm already seeing S5 users crying for their poor phone that opened up while they were diving in the pool...).
Sony has gone with the tablet timetable for the ZU, AKA once a year, and that's fine by me.
I don't feel the need to change device, and they better come up with something really FANTASTIC next year for the ZU2, because they gave us something that's nearly UNimprovable.
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hansip87 said:
The Screen is very bright imo, How much bright do you want it to be? Or in other term, how much faster do you want the battery to go down the drain? If i bring it outdoor it's perfectly readable in sunlight, and plus the auto brightness works perfectly.
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Are you serious?! And it brings up another weak point. The battery.
Maybe *you're* happy with it and that's all that matters.
But the phone is about 1/2 as bright in the sunlight when compared to the Note 3.
And the battery is only about 75% as efficient when compared to the Note 3.
And I call BS on you saying your phone is "perfectly readable in the sunlight".
My S4 is brighter than your phone and I have trouble viewing it when the sun is shining down on it.
Look, the Z Ultra is a very good phone.
But it's still heavily outshined by current phones and thus, "doesn't really need any update" is an illogical argument.
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Are you serious?! And it brings up another weak point. The battery.
Maybe *you're* happy with it and that's all that matters.
But the phone is about 1/2 as bright in the sunlight when compared to the Note 3.
And the battery is only about 75% as efficient when compared to the Note 3.
And I call BS on you saying your phone is "perfectly readable in the sunlight".
My S4 is brighter than your phone and I have trouble viewing it when the sun is shining down on it.
Look, the Z Ultra is a very good phone.
But it's still heavily outshined by current phones and thus, "doesn't really need any update" is an illogical argument.
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Wait a second. We're talking about two different display technologies here. Half as bright compared to the Note 3? I don't think so. Try them both in a dark room, with full brightness.
Let's talk about battery.
Im arriving late at night with 4+ screen hours and 20% of battery left. What more could you want?
I guess they could fit a bigger battery (how about no, since it would thicken the phone and noone wants that) but let's see how KK is energy efficient before talking s*it about battery consumption.
Outshined? By the Note 3?? If you're talking about the camera, ok, If you're talking about anything else, well, no.
Look, the Note 3 is a really good phone. But it isn't an update at all.
Or it is, if you consider an update 4K videos and a few pen tricks.
P.s. I also have used a Note 3, an S4 (both with stock and GPe roms) and have owned an S3 in the past year, so I'm backing up what I'm talking about.
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CZ Eddie said:
Are you serious?! And it brings up another weak point. The battery.
Maybe *you're* happy with it and that's all that matters.
But the phone is about 1/2 as bright in the sunlight when compared to the Note 3.
And the battery is only about 75% as efficient when compared to the Note 3.
And I call BS on you saying your phone is "perfectly readable in the sunlight".
My S4 is brighter than your phone and I have trouble viewing it when the sun is shining down on it.
Look, the Z Ultra is a very good phone.
But it's still heavily outshined by current phones and thus, "doesn't really need any update" is an illogical argument.
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Note 3:
"The biggest improvement, however, is brightness. The Note 3 can achieve up to 400 nits of brightness in most conditions, on par with the best LCDs out there. Moreover, outdoors, the Note 3 can deliver a whopping 660 nits of brightness, 40 percent more than the Galaxy S4 and around 10 percent more than the iPhone 5s. The screen is less reflective, which helps outdoor visibility as well."
Z Ultra:
"The display is also sufficiently luminant, at 445 nits peak brightness measured, and with good antireflectance coating, plus the OptiContrast tech that bonds the cover glass to the LCD panel underneath delivers a more direct way for the backlight to go through. This further increases brightness, contrast and outdoor visibility in general, which is on par with the best mobile displays out there, like those on the HTC One or the iPhone 5."
You are really exaggerating. Also, the battery is actually very good. I don't know if you've checked the battery thread, but people are getting good times. My personal record is 8 hours of screen time. How is THAT bad? "And the battery is only about 75% as efficient when compared to the Note 3". Oh? You don't say. Is the Note's battery bigger than the Ultra's? Yes. Will it last longer than a smaller battery? Yes. How is this surprising to you?
I don't really need better battery life than this. I get two full days with my normal usage. It can last me three days at times. I had the Note 2 but certainly don't want a Note 3 after that. Strongly dislike Samsung software and bloat.
The only thing I would wish for is a better camera (sensor).
Last battery cycle stats (around 50% brightness):
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I also get 5+ hours of screen time on the regular basis. I'm definitely not complaining about battery life on this device.
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By no means am I implying that the Z Ultra (original) is an inferior device, but I am one of the ones on the fence hoping an update will come that adds some of the more requested things:
Flash on the camera
Update to the camera (but even then, I could bend on this one.. .e.g. same camera with a flash would be ok)
User replaceable battery (even if it's a fairly involved process, e.g. unscrewing the case or similar... provided it's a Sony sanctioned user replaceable part
hpka said:
By no means am I implying that the Z Ultra (original) is an inferior device, but I am one of the ones on the fence hoping an update will come that adds some of the more requested things:
Flash on the camera
Update to the camera (but even then, I could bend on this one.. .e.g. same camera with a flash would be ok)
User replaceable battery (even if it's a fairly involved process, e.g. unscrewing the case or similar... provided it's a Sony sanctioned user replaceable part
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1. Will probably happen
2. Will happen
3. Will not happen. Ever. It would've been a PR disaster for Sony when 1 million clowns brick their devices Don't ever forget how stupid people are.
Hi Everyone,
I thought I'd share some thoughts on this device after having purchased it yesterday afternoon.
I bought this phone because I felt it was the first device that gave me what I had been craving for a long time - an Android version of the iPhone 6s. I like the size, build and feel of the iPhone 6s/7, but not the software or the price.
I think I am in the minority of people who prefer a smaller handset, and even though Android devices tend to fit a lot more screen real estate into smaller bodies, I still feel that the 4.7in screen size is ideal for me.
The only phones that run Android of that size have been the Xperia compact line, and the Galaxy Alpha/A3 2016 models. There have been others, but only these have come close. Unfortunately, they have suffered compromised designs and specs that have left me wanting (I have owned them all, and this is my opinion which others are free to disagree with).
This new handset, however, has me ticking a lot of boxes.
- Size is fantastic. Just a little smaller than the iPhone 6s, and feels great in the hand. Premium materials, solid build quality, great ergonomics, clicky buttons, no camera hump.
- The display is good, not awesome, but vibrant and colourful without being too over the top. Can be tweaked to each user's preference, and gets both very bright and very dim.
- fingerprint scanner is fast and accurate.
- Camera is good, not amazing. An iPhone definitely trounces this setup, but I paid £280 sim free and my usage is not too demanding so it's absolutely fine for me. Daytime shots are actually very pleasant and I think here it punches above its weight; low light is where it struggles, but I feel that most shots at night are not too important for me so it's a compromise I'll happily make.
- Call quality is very good and it holds onto signal well in my area.
- Sound quality out of the side mounted speaker is actually surprisingly good, at least as good as an iPhone 6s. Headphone performance is also excellent .
- Performance has been nothing short of excellent. I feel we have reached a point where there are not that many tasks that we do that actually need a Snapdragon 821 to run smoothly - granted, some 3d games need serious power on tap to run at their highest settings on a quad HD screen, but with a 720p screen, the A3 2017 runs pretty much anything at best quality without delay or hiccup. And everyday operation is smooth as butter without any lag or slowdowns. Granted, this is very early days, but I am hopeful this will continue.
- Battery life is astounding. I charged it on Saturday night and hit 100% at 10.20pm. I took it off charger and only put it back on at 2% while writing this review and I had nearly 9 hrs and 30mins of screen on time over 1 day and 3 hours. That includes 64 mins of voice calls. Please note that I was home all day on Wifi, but still, I have never seen times like that, not least from a 2300 odd mah battery. Awesome. It also charges pretty fast.
- Other stuff - water proofing is great, finally have USB-C, charges really quickly with the included adaptive charging brick, finally has a blue light filter.
And now for the balance of the review:
- Slippery despite its size, so a case or a skin is advisable.
- 16gb of internal memory nearly broke the deal for me, but a 64gb card and some transferring of apps has left me with 3.8gb left to play with internally. Definitely not ideal and a very cheap move from Samsung, but I'm also hoping Nougat brings adoptable storage soon which will eliminate this as an issue (here's hoping!).
- No notification light is something I have to adjust to, but the always on display does help *somewhat* ( I prefer the light as it's something that alerts me from afar, whereas the display is on regardless of whether you have a notification or not).
- Camera as described above has some shortcomings.
- Usual Samsung software compromised with bloatware - lots of useless stuff on here that eats into that 16gb that I cannot delete (Microsoft suite, Samsung junk, usual duplicate apps that we all use the Google version of). I'll keep trying the usual routes to rid the phone of this but I may have to wait a while.
Other than these points, I am really pleased. It feels nice to have paid relatively little for a device that feels so premium. I know there are other phones at relatively low prices that kill this on specs (OP3, Axon 7, Honor 8, etc) but they are generally much bigger handsets, so for anyone looking at something smaller, this is a great buy.
TL;DR, it's great, buy one if you like small phones ?
I always wanted a phone with an small amoled screen and water proofing so i jumped ship from the huge mate 8 to witch i am comparing. I agree with your pros but i found: 1-the camera is average and lacking OIS (need very stable hands), 2- cannot use sd card as default storage (very handy on mate 8), 3- phone very slippery, 4- Design and Screen of a3 2016 seemed better (personal opinion), 5- no stutter but little slow (comparing to mate 8). Only lacks IR blaster to check all boxes but we can't have everything.
Great feedback, thanks guys.
You mentioned not display is good but not awesome, could you elaborate? Is issue clarity or something else? Thanks.
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mario24601 said:
Great feedback, thanks guys.
You mentioned not display is good but not awesome, could you elaborate? Is issue clarity or something else? Thanks.
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Coming from a larger phone with a quad HD screen, it's never going to look as dazzlingly sharp, but on a 4.7 inch screen 720p still looks great and it is perfectly sharp and clear - if you've ever seen an iPhone screen, this feels much the same. Colours can be adjusted to your preference - I prefer accurate rather than punchy, but you can set it to either or somewhere in between.
I've had everything from a galaxy s6 which has crazy high pixel density to a Moto x, and personally I prefer the 720p smaller screen because it's far more efficient and I don't notice the pixel density difference after an hour or two.
Hope this helps.
Sunil_Kaura said:
Coming from a larger phone with a quad HD screen, it's never going to look as dazzlingly sharp, but on a 4.7 inch screen 720p still looks great and it is perfectly sharp and clear - if you've ever seen an iPhone screen, this feels much the same. Colours can be adjusted to your preference - I prefer accurate rather than punchy, but you can set it to either or somewhere in between.
I've had everything from a galaxy s6 which has crazy high pixel density to a Moto x, and personally I prefer the 720p smaller screen because it's far more efficient and I don't notice the pixel density difference after an hour or two.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks!
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Thanks for sharing this. I am also very happy with this phone so far. It's my second day with it, the battery is at 39% with 4h45 sot and 1d3h total since unplugged. In a night of 9 hours, the phone just lost 3%.
I have noticed though that wifi is constantly detected as running by betterbatterysats, even if it's turned off. Any idea how to fix this?
patci32 said:
I have noticed though that wifi is constantly detected as running by betterbatterysats, even if it's turned off. Any idea how to fix this?
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Have you checked in Settings -> Connections -> Location?
There are some wifi settings behind it (in location method and improve accuracy) you can deactivate.
F157 said:
Have you checked in Settings -> Connections -> Location?
There are some wifi settings behind it (in location method and improve accuracy) you can deactivate.
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Indeed, I didn't know. Thanks, I hope this works.
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F157 said:
Have you checked in Settings -> Connections -> Location?
There are some wifi settings behind it (in location method and improve accuracy) you can deactivate.
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Also, could you please tell me if you use other settings to improve your battery life?
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Indeed, I didn't know. Thanks, I hope this works.
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Also, could you please tell me if you use other settings to improve your battery life?
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Mm, nothing special yet, as I'm really happy with battery life so far.
What I did in the past with other devices is for example use the app greenify (needs root) to hibernate apps you don't want to run in the background.
Also, something that really helped me with my old s4 mini was to set mobile network to 2g, and only switch to lte once required.
And as always, use wifi instead of mobile network as often as possible, disable Bluetooth if not needed, etc.
£280?!?! That's highway robbery for a device with 720p, small battery and everything in budget-range. You get this, all the bells and whistles for £150 with a well known Chinese brand. Now I know why I'd never ever get a Slamsug.
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£280?!?! That's highway robbery for a device with 720p, small battery and everything in budget-range. You get this, all the bells and whistles for £150 with a well known Chinese brand. Now I know why I'd never ever get a Slamsug.
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Please could you elaborate on one of these phones that you can get for £150? I'm pretty clued up but if I've missed something I'd be keen for you to share what you've found for myself and the community - my mother needs a new phone so if you've seen something better than the A3 for less I'd love to buy it
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Please could you elaborate on one of these phones that you can get for £150? I'm pretty clued up but if I've missed something I'd be keen for you to share what you've found for myself and the community - my mother needs a new phone so if you've seen something better than the A3 for less I'd love to buy it
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Which stats are you looking for? Battery? Screen res? SoC power?
Compare, with €150 phones, battery, res, SoC, well anything really part from 10 mm in size.
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Which stats are you looking for? Battery? Screen res? SoC power?
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Well I'm referring to your comment that you could get a better phone for £150, so I guess I'm wondering what phone you are saying is better for that price...
The battery life of the A3 is epic, the PPI is still perfectly decent (720p on 4.7 inches is still perfectly usable and arguably 1080p is unnecessary) and the SoC is both fat and frugal.
So really I'm wondering whether you can get something the same or better for less money
I'd be happy with an alternative with same form factor. Any recommendations? The A3 still not available in US.
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I'd be happy with an alternative with same form factor. Any recommendations? The A3 still not available in US.
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4.5 to 4.7" screen, 720p res. 2015 - today, only 4-5 options comes up.
http://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2015&nHeightMax=135&nDisplayResMin=921600&fDisplayInchesMin=4.5&fDisplayInchesMax=4.7
Only A3, Sony X and Z5 compact, Xiaomi Redmi 2 Pro has enough RAM, battery and goodies. LG Spirit and Alcatel Idol 3 only has 1 GB and 1.5 GB RAM, not really a viable option.
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Well I'm referring to your comment that you could get a better phone for £150, so I guess I'm wondering what phone you are saying is better for that price...
The battery life of the A3 is epic, the PPI is still perfectly decent (720p on 4.7 inches is still perfectly usable and arguably 1080p is unnecessary) and the SoC is both fat and frugal.
So really I'm wondering whether you can get something the same or better for less money
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The Redmi 4 Pro can be had for €150 and its battery life is Epic also, the Redmi 3 Pro is way better than A3 and Redmi 4 Pro, with 720p but alas 5". Redmi note 3 is also really good, for even less than €150. Samsung is priced at least £100 than it should, but the same can be said about Sony and Apple also.
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4.5 to 4.7" screen, 720p res. 2015 - today, only 4-5 options comes up.
http://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2015&nHeightMax=135&nDisplayResMin=921600&fDisplayInchesMin=4.5&fDisplayInchesMax=4.7
Only A3, Sony X and Z5 compact, Xiaomi Redmi 2 Pro has enough RAM, battery and goodies. LG Spirit and Alcatel Idol 3 only has 1 GB and 1.5 GB RAM, not really a viable option.
The Redmi 4 Pro can be had for €150 and its battery life is Epic also, the Redmi 3 Pro is way better than A3 and Redmi 4 Pro, with 720p but alas 5". Redmi note 3 is also really good, for even less than €150. Samsung is priced at least £100 than it should, but the same can be said about Sony and Apple also.
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I agree the Xiaomi phones are compelling - my main issue is the fact that they are all grey imports - many purchasers have reported that they do not get any warranty support whatsoever, they generally require a more experienced android user to side load the Google play store, and they have sketchy android skins which have also been reported to spy on their users.
Don't get me wrong, Touchwiz (or Grace UI as it's now known) is not exactly great, but I'd rather know I can walk into a Samsung store and get a problem fixed than rely on a Hong Kong based website for support.
I think it's only fair to compare this phone to what can be had in Europe, and in that regard, it blows the Sony X Compact, Alcatel and others out of the water.
And given its build quality and design, it's good value compared to phones that retail for double this cost.
Also, most Xiaomi phones don't come with NFC (no android pay), some don't have scratch resistant glass, no quick charging, etc
The A3 also uses a processor built on the 14nm process which is up to date technology, whereas the Xiaomi phones at that price point use outdated processors like the 650 and 616.
The 14nm process is what gives the A3 it's great battery life without needing a 4000mAh battery and heavier construction.
A final point - check out the videos of the Redmi note 3 bend test - not encouraging! (I will add the Redmi 3 pro did significantly better though which is good progress).
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I agree the Xiaomi phones are compelling - my main issue is the fact that they are all grey imports - many purchasers have reported that they do not get any warranty support whatsoever, they generally require a more experienced android user to side load the Google play store, and they have sketchy android skins which have also been reported to spy on their users.
Don't get me wrong, Touchwiz (or Grace UI as it's now known) is not exactly great, but I'd rather know I can walk into a Samsung store and get a problem fixed than rely on a Hong Kong based website for support.
I think it's only fair to compare this phone to what can be had in Europe, and in that regard, it blows the Sony X Compact, Alcatel and others out of the water.
And given its build quality and design, it's good value compared to phones that retail for double this cost.
Also, most Xiaomi phones don't come with NFC (no android pay), some don't have scratch resistant glass, no quick charging, etc
The A3 also uses a processor built on the 14nm process which is up to date technology, whereas the Xiaomi phones at that price point use outdated processors like the 650 and 616.
The 14nm process is what gives the A3 it's great battery life without needing a 4000mAh battery and heavier construction.
A final point - check out the videos of the Redmi note 3 bend test - not encouraging! (I will add the Redmi 3 pro did significantly better though which is good progress).
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The Redmi 4 Pro that I bought for a friend in Jan has the 14 nm Snapdragon 625. I can agree that it might lack a few finishing touches, but I could buy it for €150 inc shipping from aliexpress and get it in 7-9 days. But it's half the price, and I know the Adreno is a better GPU than the Mali.
Both on the Xiaomi and the Slamsug, first thing I would do it TWRP and LAOS ROM, they can keep their crap TW and MIUI, can't stand it.
Never the less, it shouldn't be 2x the price for something that is almost inferior in some points and better on others. Esp not in 2017, maybe some years ago, but every day there are better and better phones for under €200, like the Moto G5 and such, only problem is they are so damn big, and big phones are 99/100 new that are coming out, these days, sadly.
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The Redmi 4 Pro that I bought for a friend in Jan has the 14 nm Snapdragon 625. I can agree that it might lack a few finishing touches, but I could buy it for €150 inc shipping from aliexpress and get it in 7-9 days. But it's half the price, and I know the Adreno is a better GPU than the Mali.
Both on the Xiaomi and the Slamsug, first thing I would do it TWRP and LAOS ROM, they can keep their crap TW and MIUI, can't stand it.
Never the less, it shouldn't be 2x the price for something that is almost inferior in some points and better on others. Esp not in 2017, maybe some years ago, but every day there are better and better phones for under €200, like the Moto G5 and such, only problem is they are so damn big, and big phones are 99/100 new that are coming out, these days, sadly.
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Can't disagree there - it's frustrating how few phones there are under 5 inches available.
I will say though that besides the Xiaomi phones which look to have a nice build, the Moto G4 is very cheap feeling, as are most of the other phones available here in that price bracket, so I would happily pay a little more for a nice looking and premium feeling device.
If the Samsung we're £220 I think it'd sell by the bucket load as £20-40 above phones like the G4 would likely tempt many up, but at £280 I agree that it's a harder sell for the lay person.
I'm looking at from the other side - it's a mild compromise from an S7 or a iPhone 6s/7 , but it's half the price, rather than double that of a cheaper device.
And it absolutely looks and feels as good as a £5-600 phone.
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Can't disagree there - it's frustrating how few phones there are under 5 inches available.
I will say though that besides the Xiaomi phones which look to have a nice build, the Moto G4 is very cheap feeling, as are most of the other phones available here in that price bracket, so I would happily pay a little more for a nice looking and premium feeling device.
If the Samsung we're £220 I think it'd sell by the bucket load as £20-40 above phones like the G4 would likely tempt many up, but at £280 I agree that it's a harder sell for the lay person.
I'm looking at from the other side - it's a mild compromise from an S7 or a iPhone 6s/7 , but it's half the price, rather than double that of a cheaper device.
And it absolutely looks and feels as good as a £5-600 phone.
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There are so many on this forum and in other places that airs the same frustration, so few options for a mobile ca 130mm lenght and 4.5 - 4.7" screen (720p at least), that I'm starting to wonder if we should do something about it, maybe talk to so manufacturer to make at least 1-2 phones under 5"
The Redmi 4 Pro I used for a few weeks felt no worse in build than the Iphone 6 or 6S I have tried a few times, both in metal around 140 - 145mm size. But for €310 I can get a Xiaomi Mi 5 with 820 and have €100 in change over. I have never held a Moto G, last Motorola I have tried was the 4.3" Razr Maxx and it felt solid as a rock.
The J5 goes for around €180-190 here and I see no reason why this smaller, entry level A3 shouldn't be priced in a similar fashion. These days due to deaths in the family and such I'm so poor that €100 is more than I can spare and my Android mobile that I have now is from 2012 or so, single core with 512 MB RAM and I hate every minute when I'm using it. I'm lucky to have been given a 2009 Sony Ericsson C901 as my main caller.
Just my 1¢ (It used to be 2¢, but due to the recession I've had to make cutbacks)
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What annoys me a lot is also that this A3 is bigger than the A3 (2016) and the battery is only 50 mAh bigger. They could easily have put a 2500 - 2800 mAh battery in this one, just like the Sony Z3, Z5 or X compact, which is 5 mm smaller.
My last perfect phone was the original moto x. I still use it. I am not a power user but the X just needs lil more power but on cm13 it's not bad.
I don't even mind going with old phone as long as has some custom roms to improve performance.
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I am sick and tired of journalists and casual reviewers (yes MKBHD I am looking at you) misquoting the DisplayMate display reviews and repeating everywhere that the N8 has 1240cd/m² and is therefore twice as bright compared to the LG V30 or iPhone X. This is a whole lot of bullcrap.
Some of you may remember the debunking article I wrote at the time of the Galaxy S4, which explained (and it took several pages of discussion to convince the sceptics) that brightness on OLED displays decreases with the Average Picture Level (APL):
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2268937
The 1240cd/m² in the DisplayMate review is for a 1% APL, i.e., display content where the average picture level is equivalent to 1% white and 99% black - a situation that is completely irrelevant and never happens in real use. ALL OLED displays can display incredibly bright whites in those conditions, including the iPhone X and LG V30.
If you don't believe me - straight from the DisplayMate review:
"For most image content the Galaxy Note8 provides over 490 cd/m2 (Luminance, which is a measure of Brightness sometimes called nits), comparable or higher than most LCD displays in this size class. The measured Brightness on the Home screen is even higher at over 540 nits.
Below I am summarizing the brightness levels that the N8's display can reach in auto mode for different types of content:
Android Menu: 5% APL | Maximum Brightness: 990cd/m²
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Android Menu with radio buttons: 10% APL | Maximum Brightness: 880cd/m²
OLED fiendly web site: 15% APL | Maximum Brightness: 820cd/m²
Random Gallery Picture: 40% APL | Maximum Brightness: 670cd/m²
Google Play: 60% APL | Maximum Brightness: 610cd/m²
Anandtech with zoom on picture: 70% APL | Maximum Brightness: 585cd/m²
Google Maps: 75% APL | Maximum Brightness: 575cd/m²
Whatsapp: 80% APL | Maximum Brightness: 565cd/m²
Android Contact List: 85% APL | Maximum Brightness: 555cd/m²
Google Results page: 90% APL | Maximum Brightness: 545cd/m²
100% White window | Maximum Brightness 540cd/m²
For most video and web browsing content, the typical brightness in auto mode will be 550-670cd/m² in auto mode under direct sunlight and 450-550cd/m² otherwise.
Those values are very similar to what can be observed on the LG V30 and iPhone X (as per Android Authority and GSMArena reviews and figures quoted by Apple). If I see another reviewer quote these figures incorrectly and state that the N8 has double the brightness compared to competitors just because they are too dumb to read the DisplayMate review correctly, I am going to blow a fuse.
On OLED Displays, a brightness measurement without an indication of the APL of the test pattern used for measurement is simply USELESS. Most reviewers will measure at 50% (for example a 50% white window on a black background), 60% or 100% (full white) APL. There is only DisplayMate to measure something as ineffectual and useless as the 1% APL brightness. No other review out there measures that way, so you simply can't use their measurement and compare them with values provided on other web sites.
DisplayMate should either make their reviews clearer or start measuring other devices according to those standards. It is easy for Samsung to break brightness records year after year when they are the only OLED displays ever being measured.
Yep, it sucks when reviews aren't standardized, and you get information that isn't relevant for comparison to everyday usage. Replace that fuse with a circuit breaker though. We like keeping senior members around, lol.
I believe I read that you cannot get the max brightness by setting the value to max. It can only be achieved by having brightness set to auto and then taking the phone outside in sunlight.
There goes my idea of growing tomatoes in my basement in winter, using Note screen as a light source. And iphone x should have similar brightness, since it's amoled and probably made by Samsung, but who cares. As far as why Display Mate choose to measure maximum brightness the way they do, would be best to ask them, but as long as they test every display the same I don't see the problem. And please don't get me started on tests favoring one product over the other, we've been comparing Apples to Oranges for ages. BTW GSM arena lists maximum brightness of N8 at 850 max auto and v30 at 616 max auto, with non auto mode at 412 and 414, respectively, high enough for me.
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I believe I read that you cannot get the max brightness by setting the value to max. It can only be achieved by having brightness set to auto and then taking the phone outside in sunlight.
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This is not enough. As per my post the following conditions must be fulfilled:
Brightness on auto
Direct sunlight
Content as an Average Picture Level of 1%, i.e., equivalent to 1% white on a black background
For most content (video and web browsing, where APL is between 40% and 90%) max brightness will be between 550cd/m² and 650cd/m² in automatic mode in direct sunlight.
I will be providing the 1% APL measurement on the V30 as soon as I have been able to get my hands on a unit. In fact I will provide the values at each APL so we have a full comparison.
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There goes my idea of growing tomatoes in my basement in winter, using Note screen as a light source. And iphone x should have similar brightness, since it's amoled and probably made by Samsung, but who cares. As far as why Display Mate choose to measure maximum brightness the way they do, would be best to ask them, but as long as they test every display the same I don't see the problem. And please don't get me started on tests favoring one product over the other, we've been comparing Apples to Oranges for ages. BTW GSM arena lists maximum brightness of N8 at 850 max auto and v30 at 616 max auto, with non auto mode at 412 and 414, respectively, high enough for me.
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But you see, that's precisely the problem. They only ever test Samsung OLED displays. Go to their web page, you will find only the Samsung OLED displays and Apple LCD displays. I honestly have my suspicions that DisplayMate are in bed with Samsung. They always have a Samsung display review ready before the first hands on reviews even appear on time for launch. Testing displays and writing a complete display review takes time. And they hardly ever test anything else. They essentially work as a fame machine for Samsung.
I called them out on their methodology issue a few years ago (when they weren't even indicating the APL %) and they changed their methodology as a result. But in this review, they only give a brightness range in auto mode without showing the APL breakdown, so if you read it without knowledge of display calibration it is easy to misunderstand. Nowhere is it explicitly mentioned that the top value of 1,240cd/m² is for the 1% APL.
The other issue is that EVEN if they end up adding reviews for the V30 and iPhone X, there is a time gap for already 2 months in which the entire press is being fooled and spreads misinformation, granting an Samsung unfair advantage.
I am not an Apple fan by any stretch of the imaginationl and I am equally annoyed when Apple make false claims about their phone (e..g., "The iPhone X will be much sharper than the iPhone 8 Plus - no it won't, pentile 1,125p is equivalent 919p non pentile), but as a product developer myself, nothing enrages me more than misinformation and false marketing claims.
Here is another Display comparison in max auto mode, which also shows above 600cd/m² for the LG V30 (higher than the S8 plus) and 420cd/2 in auto mode:
http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-v30-poled-vs-samsung-super-amoled-797330/
If I had to make wild guess: Display mate is a website in business of promoting and selling their software. Since their software costs more than some monitors, they are probably targeting top end displays and most popular. I don't think they want to be review side, I think reviews are to attract largest amount people for least amount of money. And it works, I would never knew about them, if it wasn't for their reviews of Note displays. And why Samsung? They may have some deal with them. I just read article about some professional photographer doing shoot in India, using iphone x as his main camera. Well, iphone x won't be available for sale for another month, can we assume he works for Apple ?
But I know Display Mate reviewed Pixel and iphone, so they may be going after largest audience with deeper pockets. And I'm not trying to offend you in any way, but I think you over reacting about non issue: As long as maximum brightness reaches certain minimum level, let's say 350-400, it doesn't really matter anymore. I have never used my phone at maximum level and it's one spec I wouldn't care much about. I think historically amoled screens had problems with high brightness and my only take from all this would be, brightness is no longer their issue.
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If I had to make wild guess: Display mate is a website in business of promoting and selling their software. Since their software costs more than some monitors, they are probably targeting top end displays and most popular. I don't think they want to be review side, I think reviews are to attract largest amount people for least amount of money. And it works, I would never knew about them, if it wasn't for their reviews of Note displays. And why Samsung? They may have some deal with them. I just read article about some professional photographer doing shoot in India, using iphone x as his main camera. Well, iphone x won't be available for sale for another month, can we assume he works for Apple ?
But I know Display Mate reviewed Pixel and iphone, so they may be going after largest audience with deeper pockets. And I'm not trying to offend you in any way, but I think you over reacting about non issue: As long as maximum brightness reaches certain minimum level, let's say 350-400, it doesn't really matter anymore. I have never used my phone at maximum level and it's one spec I wouldn't care much about. I think historically amoled screens had problems with high brightness and my only take from all this would be, brightness is no longer their issue.
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If sunlight contrast didn't matter, then no one would care about contrast in a normal environment. The whole point of OLED I to have better contrast for a more crisp picture. But because sunlight washes out blacks, the only way to restore a form of contrast is via brightness. Contrast outside is not even on the level of LCD's inside, so it does matter a lot. If contrast didn't matter, we would all still be using LCD's...The "less than bright in the sun" issue is sister issue of "less than black in the dark" - both are contrast issues (sunlight contrast ratios are still pretty bad).
I can't say if DisplayMate'S CEO is good friend with folks at Samsung, but I have been following them for several years now, and all of their reviews are written in a way that is misleading and plays down important issues of the displays. To me this is not how a scientific-minded person thinks and writes. Not to mention the person who writes the reviews must be color blind because of their complete lack of creative design skills and poor choice of colors. This is not how you sell software. LOL
Sorry.. who are you? Pass
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If sunlight contrast didn't matter, then no one would care about contrast in a normal environment. The whole point of OLED I to have better contrast for a more crisp picture. But because sunlight washes out blacks, the only way to restore a form of contrast is via brightness. Contrast outside is not even on the level of LCD's inside, so it does matter a lot. If contrast didn't matter, we would all still be using LCD's...The "less than bright in the sun" issue is sister issue of "less than black in the dark" - both are contrast issues (sunlight contrast ratios are still pretty bad).
I can't say if DisplayMate'S CEO is good friend with folks at Samsung, but I have been following them for several years now, and all of their reviews are written in a way that is misleading and plays down important issues of the displays. To me this is not how a scientific-minded person thinks and writes. Not to mention the person who writes the reviews must be color blind because of their complete lack of creative design skills and poor choice of colors. This is not how you sell software. LOL
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Sunlight contrast matters only in Sun, for all other times (99% for me) I do care about contrast in normal environment also, sorry. Sure, whole point of OLED is better contrast AND crisper colors AND wider gamut coverage And lower power consumption (at lower screen brightness, so pretty much everywhere except in the Sun) AND no backlight leakage, like when you're reading in bed at night, but who am I to argue.
And according to Display mate and the way they measure brightness N8 has the highest. Case closed? , . I also don't understand your logic: you're following them for years because you don't like nor disagree with them??? If I don't like something, I don't waste my time on it. BTW I have dark theme on my N8 and white text on black screen is let's say 10% white maybe if text full screen, probably less if not full screen? So maybe we agree to disagree, but I don't see anything wrong using 1% for testing purposes, its closer to my real life screen than 50% and measuring it at 100% I think is as useless as you think it is at 1%.
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Sunlight contrast matters only in Sun, for all other times (99% for me) I do care about contrast in normal environment also, sorry. Sure, whole point of OLED is better contrast AND crisper colors AND wider gamut coverage And lower power consumption (at lower screen brightness, so pretty much everywhere except in the Sun) AND no backlight leakage, like when you're reading in bed at night, but who am I to argue.
And according to Display mate and the way they measure brightness N8 has the highest. Case closed? , . I also don't understand your logic: you're following them for years because you don't like nor disagree with them??? If I don't like something, I don't waste my time on it. BTW I have dark theme on my N8 and white text on black screen is let's say 10% white maybe if text full screen, probably less if not full screen? So maybe we agree to disagree, but I don't see anything wrong using 1% for testing purposes, its closer to my real life screen than 50% and measuring it at 100% I think is as useless as you think it is at 1%.
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That's not the right way to improve the world, to sit by and watch or walk away at everything that you don't like. When people do that, greedy companies with inferior products steal 92% of the profits in their industry, world leaders from the US and North Korea start insulting each other and who knows what else may happen.
It has never been my attitude in life and I will continue to debunk misinformation where it exists. We need whistleblowers and defenders of fairness and truth. People who speak up.
No the case is not closed, the N8 is not twice as bright compared to the LG V30 and iPhone X. We have no measurements on retail units for either phone.
Please point me to a single serious review of the iPhone X's display or any piece of evidence that validates the claim that the N8 has twice the brightness of the iPhone X. Until then, popular Youtubers such as MKBHD should refrain from making inaccurate, misleading statements. Trust me, it is inaccurate.
I will refute inaccurate statements and false marketing claims wherever they may exist. It is an insult to my profession. As product developers I have to believe that people are in it for the product, not or the clever marketing. Don't forget that capitalism works at its best in a situation of perfect and fair competition, and one of the pillars of perfect competition is having perfect information.
Pessimists are idealists who no longer dare to hope.
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That's not the right way to improve the world, to sit by and watch or walk away at everything that you don't like. When people do that, greedy companies with inferior products steal 92% of the profits in their industry, world leaders from the US and North Korea start insulting each other and who knows what else may happen.
It has never been my attitude in life and I will continue to debunk misinformation where it exists. We need whistleblowers and defenders of fairness and truth. People who speak up.
No the case is not closed, the N8 is not twice as bright compared to the LG V30 and iPhone X. We have no measurements on retail units for either phone.
Please point me to a single serious review of the iPhone X's display or any piece of evidence that validates the claim that the N8 has twice the brightness of the iPhone X. Until then, popular Youtubers such as MKBHD should refrain from making inaccurate, misleading statements. Trust me, it is inaccurate.
I will refute inaccurate statements and false marketing claims wherever they may exist. It is an insult to my profession. As product developers I have to believe that people are in it for the product, not or the clever marketing. Don't forget that capitalism works at its best in a situation of perfect and fair competition, and one of the pillars of perfect competition is having perfect information.
Pessimists are idealists who no longer dare to hope.
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Finally we agree on something, I hate Apple for ripping consumers off and pocketing most of the cell phone industry profits (is it 92% now? WOW) and prize Display Mate for not sitting in Apple's pocket.
I have no idea who claimed N8 has double the brightness of iphone x, did they even test it yet? and I don't think it matters anyway, since I believe iphone X will have Samsung amoled screen (I don't think Apple makes amoled screens) and therefore should be good. If you want to be Don Quichotte, good luck, but I think we are beating death horse here and I don't think I have anything else to add to the topic.
puremind said:
That's not the right way to improve the world, to sit by and watch or walk away at everything that you don't like. When people do that, greedy companies with inferior products steal 92% of the profits in their industry, world leaders from the US and North Korea start insulting each other and who knows what else may happen.
It has never been my attitude in life and I will continue to debunk misinformation where it exists. We need whistleblowers and defenders of fairness and truth. People who speak up.
No the case is not closed, the N8 is not twice as bright compared to the LG V30 and iPhone X. We have no measurements on retail units for either phone.
Please point me to a single serious review of the iPhone X's display or any piece of evidence that validates the claim that the N8 has twice the brightness of the iPhone X. Until then, popular Youtubers such as MKBHD should refrain from making inaccurate, misleading statements. Trust me, it is inaccurate.
I will refute inaccurate statements and false marketing claims wherever they may exist. It is an insult to my profession. As product developers I have to believe that people are in it for the product, not or the clever marketing. Don't forget that capitalism works at its best in a situation of perfect and fair competition, and one of the pillars of perfect competition is having perfect information.
Pessimists are idealists who no longer dare to hope.
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MKBHD is annoying and frequently gets things wrong. How he has so many subscribers is beyond my level of comprehension.
I always keep in mind that when Display Mate posts a review, they only have a sample size of 1 and a cherry picked unit and a possibility of paid work from manufacturers. Sometimes I read the entire article but just for fun.
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Finally we agree on something, I hate Apple for ripping consumers off and pocketing most of the cell phone industry profits (is it 92% now? WOW) and prize Display Mate for not sitting in Apple's pocket.
I have no idea who claimed N8 has double the brightness of iphone x, did they even test it yet? and I don't think it matters anyway, since I believe iphone X will have Samsung amoled screen (I don't think Apple makes amoled screens) and therefore should be good. If you want to be Don Quichotte, good luck, but I think we are beating death horse here and I don't think I have anything else to add to the topic.
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Telling the truth actually works. I write the same on every web site and YouTube video that has incorrect information on products.
ZTE will have Sharp OLED on their Axon 9.
Have you seen the anti-Apple sentiment that has emerged as a of people speaking up to criticize the many things that Apple do wrong?
In the past people were saying "iOS is so energy efficient, more than Android". Now they say "Apple can't build in 3K displays because of their poor battery performance, so they have to stick with 1125p displays".
In the past people were saying Apple have the fastest CPU's. Now they are saying "For most of the year Android have the fastest CPUs, in a couple of weeks Huawei will have the fastest CPU".
In the past people were saying "Apple are so good they account for most of the profits in the smartphone industry". Today they are saying: "No wonder Apple capture most of the profits in the Smartphone industry - they offer lesser battery and display resolution and charge you more for it - you even have to pay 85 USD extra for fast charging".
As early as 2013, I was arguing against many Apple fans that their toylike bezels are a drag for a company that used to pride themselves on one handed usability and they responded that no one buys according to bezels. Today everyone agrees that bezelless phones are the future and Apple fans rush to buy the iPhone X.
In the past people were saying, the human eye cannot see beyond the retina display's level of sharpness. Today they are saying the iPhone X's pixel density is only one third of what human vision can resolve and other phones have much better sharpness.
If not for people like me, Apple would continue to make disproportionate amounts of money on the back of credulous users. Our rant videos on the iPhone X will have an impact. It may be small in the beginning but there will be a snowball effect.
Capitalism always wins - give people perfect information and the market shares balance each other out in the end.
As a product developer, it is my job to anticipate needs people didn't know they had and to uncover weaknesses in existing products. It helps drive competition and consumers benefit in the end because companies are pushed to work harder.
freeza said:
MKBHD is annoying and frequently gets things wrong. How he has so many subscribers is beyond my level of comprehension.
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Millennials admire a successful 22 year old because they project themselves.
Also, his reviews never choose a particular phone as he seemingly uses every phone as his daily driver, so it doesn't push away fans of a specific brand. Except brands that don't bring much viewership like HTC or Essential Phone.
I love how he kept praising large bezel phones like the iPhones and the Pixel and Nexus devices (he has gigantic hands) and bezels were never a topic for him, and now suddenly ever since the Mi Mix it has become his new manta.
freeza said:
MKBHD is annoying and frequently gets things wrong. How he has so many subscribers is beyond my level of comprehension.
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He made a video about the Note 8 and said the battery life is poor. He said you only get 3 1/2 to 4hr of SOT. I get 5 1/2 to 6 every day and I am not the only one. So take what he says with a grain of salt.
There we have it:
"Speaking of, the S8 pair pretty much blew us away and we expected a lot from the Note8 as well. Now, we did manage to get to a brightness as high as 850 nits in Auto mode by shining a light in to the ambient light sensor, but that is still a bit lower than the 870 nits of the S8+. In fact, at 100% brightness in Adaptive mode, without any input from the light sensor, the Note8 appears to run a bit dimmer than its S8 sibling as well. The difference is small, especially when you consider that the Note8 will happily go into overdrive when exposed to the sun outdoors, so we didn't really notice a real-life difference when using the phones normally. Still, we couldn't exactly confirm DisplayMate's recent claim of a record-shattering 1,200 nit reading on the Note8."
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note8-review-1659p3.php
See:
Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra review: Refined to near perfection
The Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra is a more refined Galaxy S22 Ultra, and while it might have features you don't need, it's one of the best.
www.xda-developers.com
I predict another dud flagship. Too thick, too heavy with a so-so display/bezel ratio. With poor SOT for the huge mAh battery.
No expandable storage; the high capacity internal memory variants will be in short supply and thus very expensive, predictably. And of course a huge price tag until Samsung realizes it's not selling well, again. This will make it 4 years running that Samsung has failed to deliver an exceptional, well balanced flagship.
That's what I think...
blackhawk said:
I predict another dud flagship. Too thick, too heavy with a so-so display/bezel ratio. With poor SOT for the huge mAh battery.
No expandable storage; the high capacity internal memory variants will be in short supply and thus very expensive, predictably. And of course a huge price tag until Samsung realizes it's not selling well, again. This will make it 4 years running that Samsung has failed to deliver an exceptional, well balanced flagship.
That's what I think...
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Battery should be much better since the 8 Gen 2 is a TSMC chip.
There's very little that can be done about battery when 5G is enabled but even with it, the X70 is said to be up to 40% more efficient than the X65 was.
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Battery should be much better since the 8 Gen 2 is a TSMC chip.
There's very little that can be done about battery when 5G is enabled but even with it, the X70 is said to be up to 40% more efficient than the X65 was.
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Time will tell. I doubt it will improve the SOT much. There's also the burden of the variable refresh rate display. Not sure how much more scoped storage impacts battery life but it requires more cpu cycles.
Starting with the N20U the batteries have gotten bigger, as has the thickness and weight of all the Samsung flagships. At the same time even with the larger capacity batteries the SOT decreased.
Poor form factor and performance balance have now become Samsung's flagship hallmark.
Their last great flagship remains the N10+. No 5G or variable refresh rate display but more functional with a display color/gamma accuracy/calibration that likely exceeds all those that followed. If Samsung adopted a fixed 90hz display refresh rate much better color/gamma accuracy could be achieved. They won't do this because Samsung is now marketing hype rather than performance driven. Case in point how many megapixels will the new cam sensor have?
For that tiny sized sensor 20mp is pushing it. Little doubt the mp count will continue to climb at the cost of pixel light gathering ability and sampling accuracy. The newer generations of Samsung cams seem to be very power hungry as well.
What a sick joke.
The laser AF is a great benefit. That should have been implemented 5 or more years ago. Sony was using this technology back in 2004 on its cams. Not to worry if you don't have it as a 3mw 535nm laser pointer can be used for spot on AF lock ups on older phones
Battery like on my SD Ultra S22 is why I am upgrading. It was terrible from the start nothing has really changed.
borijess said:
Battery like on my SD Ultra S22 is why I am upgrading. It was terrible from the start nothing has really changed.
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If you want good SOT go with a N10+*, they get 12+ hours SOT with a new battery. Browsing with Brave I was using 6%@hr when this battery was newer. A better balanced and more usable device... even today**.
The S23U is already shaping up to be more of the same Samsung bs... 3+ years of fail and ball drops.
*stock Snaps that are optimized. All Samsung's should be optimized for best performance and SOT.
** I'm running Pie and Q so no CPU cycle sucking scoped storage. You'll be stuck with Android 12, 13 or 14 on the S23U. 13 is a mess. Google is more Apple now (as is Samsung) than it is Android... more dropped balls rolling around inside the machine.
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You'll be stuck with Android 12, 13 or 14 on the S23U. 13 is a mess.
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I actually disagree with this. 13 has been great. I didn't like 8/Oreo because of how many apps they broke and 10 was slower than 11. 12 had some regressions and random quirks but 13 has been great. I don't actually have any specific OS-related complaints, just phone complaints about the Pixel 7 Pro, but if I'm being honest, I'm really just being petty, because the 7 Pro is great device that would serve most people well.
The reason I'm looking at the S23 series is specifically because of band support. I have Boost Infinite which uses AT&T towers so I want access to the 3.45GHz DoD spectrum and the Pixel 7 Pro's modem doesn't support it. Additionally Boost Infinite will be switching to using Dish Network's 5G network as it's primary and the Pixel doesn't support n70 and multiple other bands Dish is using.
Also, I just haven't had Samsung since the Note 5 and my partner has a Samsung A51 and I have played with it and actually kind of like it, so it just feels like it is time.
The Note 10+ is missing way too much for me to consider it. I'm not giving up 5G. The modem in that device has extremely limited and largely incomplete 5G support.
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I actually disagree with this. 13 has been great. I didn't like 8/Oreo because of how many apps they broke and 10 was slower than 11. 12 had some regressions and random quirks but 13 has been great. I don't actually have any specific OS-related complaints, just phone complaints about the Pixel 7 Pro, but if I'm being honest, I'm really just being petty, because the 7 Pro is great device that would serve most people well.
The reason I'm looking at the S23 series is specifically because of band support. I have Boost Infinite which uses AT&T towers so I want access to the 3.45GHz DoD spectrum and the Pixel 7 Pro's modem doesn't support it. Additionally Boost Infinite will be switching to using Dish Network's 5G network as it's primary and the Pixel doesn't support n70 and multiple other bands Dish is using.
Also, I just haven't had Samsung since the Note 5 and my partner has a Samsung A51 and I have played with it and actually kind of like it, so it just feels like it is time.
The Note 10+ is missing way too much for me to consider it. I'm not giving up 5G. The modem in that device has extremely limited and largely incomplete 5G support.
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Agreed, I wouldn't get the 5G N10+ variant. With an unlimited grandfathered 4G data plan it's a no brainer. Since 5G started rolling out 4G has even better bandwidth. Because many websites limit data speeds even the 4G download speed isn't fully utilized most times. The power drain of 5G remains an issue on the newer models as does the SOC, display and camera. They reached the thermal limits of the available surface area. The N10+ can operate at a 99F ambient temperature doing internet browsing with no cooling for an extended time because it's using less power and producing less waste heat.
Storage is inadequate and expensive on all models after the N20U.
30 gms heavier, worse display/ratio and a much worse SOT than the N10+. Not a well balanced flagship at all. S23U is more of the same... bs.
The claims that Android 11, 12 or 13 are more efficient than 9 I have severe doubts about. Even if Google implements a more efficient file system the overhead of scoped storage* remains. I like to see a side by side comparison on a N10+ running on 9 vs 10, 11 and 12. No one does that.
*In Android 10 scoped storage isn't fully active. It doesn't seem faster than Pie and SOT may be slightly worse. Still playing with my other N10+ that was factory loaded with Q. I prefer Pie as it's more functional and easier to troubleshoot.
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If you want good SOT go with a N10+*, they get 12+ hours SOT with a new battery. Browsing with Brave I was using 6%@hr when this battery was newer. A better balanced and more usable device... even today**.
The S23U is already shaping up to be more of the same Samsung bs... 3+ years of fail and ball drops.
*stock Snaps that are optimized. All Samsung's should be optimized for best performance and SOT.
** I'm running Pie and Q so no CPU cycle sucking scoped storage. You'll be stuck with Android 12, 13 or 14 on the S23U. 13 is a mess. Google is more Apple now (as is Samsung) than it is Android... more dropped balls rolling around inside the machine.
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That's not what I am looking for. I want the latest and greatest to have good battery life. Not great but just good. I had the note 20 ultra and that thing had better battery than the s22 ultra. I am just hoping Samsung has figured it out with the s23.
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That's not what I am looking for. I want the latest and greatest to have good battery life. Not great but just good. I had the note 20 ultra and that thing had better battery than the s22 ultra. I am just hoping Samsung has figured it out with the s23.
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Expect another hand warmer...
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Expect another hand warmer...
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I hope not.
borijess said:
I hope not.
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Don't be the first to buy it. Samsung's recent track record speaks for itself. Besides they'll be more desperate after 6 months to sell the excess units. Predictably there will be a shortage of 1 and .5tb variants though.
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Case in point how many megapixels will the new cam sensor have?
For that tiny sized sensor 20mp is pushing it. Little doubt the mp count will continue to climb at the cost of pixel light gathering ability and sampling accuracy. The newer generations of Samsung cams seem to be very power hungry as well.
What a sick joke.
The laser AF is a great benefit. That should have been implemented 5 or more years ago. Sony was using this technology back in 2004 on its cams. Not to worry if you don't have it as a 3mw 535nm laser pointer can be used for spot on AF lock ups on older phones
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You doubt but i don't since i now use gen 2 and before i used 2 gen 1 phones, the difference in battery is huge, incomparable
About the sensor, here is some technical info, it is miles better vs HM3 on 22U.
三星两亿像素HP2技术解析：大满阱，双增益，与全向对焦
刚刚发布的三星HP2极有可能成为S23Ultra主摄CMOS，尺寸1/1.3''，两亿像素十六合一，单像素0.6微米。从尺寸上看并不出奇，但这次三星点到了另一个科技树。 超大满阱容与D-VTG技术HP2的亮点在于其采用的D-VT…
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Its not about the megapixels but what tech is in it, and what it can do, this sensor is almost on imx 989 level
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You doubt but i don't since i now use gen 2 and before i used 2 gen 1 phones, the difference in battery is huge, incomparable
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The new Samsung phones are battery hogs.
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About the sensor, here is some technical info, it is miles better vs HM3 on 22U.
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Not my second language...
dazed1 said:
三星两亿像素HP2技术解析：大满阱，双增益，与全向对焦
刚刚发布的三星HP2极有可能成为S23Ultra主摄CMOS，尺寸1/1.3''，两亿像素十六合一，单像素0.6微米。从尺寸上看并不出奇，但这次三星点到了另一个科技树。 超大满阱容与D-VTG技术HP2的亮点在于其采用的D-VT…
zhuanlan.zhihu.com
Its not about the megapixels but what tech is in it, and what it can do, this sensor is almost on imx 989 level
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Micro lenses that small have less light gathering ability and waste real estate. The borders of those lens are wasted space, lots of wasted space on a sensor that has very little to spare. The quality of the micro lens are also suspect.
Pixel micro lense quality and individual pixel sampling capabilities are more important than pixel count. 12mp is a reasonable number and 20+mp is pure hype for a sensor this size.
A Canon pro shooter with a full frame sensor is only about 22-26mp. They will chew up any smartphone. Full frame digital movie cams boast a huge pixel count in the 20-40mp range.
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The new Samsung phones are battery hogs.
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Micro lenses that small have less light gathering ability and waste real estate. The borders of those lens are wasted space, lots of wasted space on a sensor that has very little to spare. The quality of the micro lens are also suspect.
Pixel micro lense quality and individual pixel sampling capabilities are more important than pixel count. 12mp is a reasonable number and 20+mp is pure hype for a sensor this size.
A Canon pro shooter with a full frame sensor is only about 22-26mp. They will chew up any smartphone. Full frame digital movie cams boast a huge pixel count in the 20-40mp range.
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The link is in English, it address all of your concerns and ideas, this sensor FWC is 10k, it is monster in low light
In what segment of photography will canon chew up smartphones? Certainly in won't in single frame and low light with normal exposure times on both
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The link is in English, it address all of your concerns and ideas, this sensor FWC is 10k, it is monster in low light
In what segment of photography will canon chew up smartphones? Certainly in won't in single frame and low light with normal exposure times on both
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Single frame and especially low light. The large metal frame provides superior heat sinking and the sensor is also thermally isolated from the processors for a lower noise floor in low light.
A heavier frame with good hand holds means it's much easier to shoot with. Much faster bootups and almost no shutter lag.
On top of that huge lens are available. Some with 200mm front optics for optimum light gathering.
Smartphones do very well with what they got. I view the cam as a convenience not a dedicated shooting platform. Anymore it's all I shoot with. They have limitations and are harder to shoot with than dedicated systems. With no expandable storage they lack onboard backup, a huge disadvantage. Canon has had dual card/write capabilities for around 20 years on their pro models.
The shooter's skill is more important than the camera, one reason they're killing the camera market. On that same line of thinking the improvements on the newest smartphone cams won't make you a great shooter if you aren't.
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Single frame and especially low light. The large metal frame provides superior heat sinking and the sensor is also thermally isolated from the processors for a lower noise floor in low light.
A heavier frame with good hand holds means it's much easier to shoot with. Much faster bootups and almost no shutter lag.
On top of that huge lens are available. Some with 200mm front optics for optimum light gathering.
Smartphones do very well with what they got. I view the cam as a convenience not a dedicated shooting platform. Anymore it's all I shoot with. They have limitations and are harder to shoot with than dedicated systems. With no expandable storage they lack onboard backup, a huge disadvantage. Canon has had dual card/write capabilities for around 20 years on their pro models.
The shooter's skill is more important than the camera, one reason they're killing the camera market. On that same line of thinking the improvements on the newest smartphone cams won't make you a great shooter if you aren't.
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Most tests i saw by now DSLR vs phone (custom software on the phone - GCAM) results in either close battle, or win for the smartphone on lowish, and especially in low light.
There are numerous versus, if you are interested i can find samples. Single frame dslr cannot compete with 1'' sensor with 30 frames stacked and super advanced denoise algorithims/ISP, it will either burn the highlights, or be just dark.
Where dslr wins, is action shots, long range zooms, astro, portrait and video, not for static shooting.
Here is an example what a phone does in quite dark conditions, with advanced setup,
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Most tests i saw by now DSLR vs phone (custom software on the phone - GCAM) results in either close battle, or win for the smartphone on lowish, and especially in low light.
There are numerous versus, if you are interested i can find samples. Single frame dslr cannot compete with 1'' sensor with 30 frames stacked and super advanced denoise algorithims/ISP, it will either burn the highlights, or be just dark.
Where dslr wins, is action shots, long range zooms, astro, portrait and video, not for static shooting.
Here is an example what a phone does in quite dark conditions, with advanced setup,
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Lol, what phone has a 1 inch sensor?
Full frame sensors are 24×36mm ie 1.339 sq inches.
Believe what you want to... at least it will save you $10+G.
blackhawk said:
Lol, what phone has a 1 inch sensor?
Full frame sensors are 24×36mm ie 1.339 sq inches.
Believe what you want to... at least it will save you $10+G.
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Its not real 1'' but its very big, its bigger then Sony RX100 for example, its 132mm2, and sensor size doesnt matter as much when you got 30 frames stacked, that remove like 80% of the noise, and bring much more "light" into the sensor. No need to believe, ive seen the results,
And low light action shots? Books and parked cars don't move... people do.