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Hi Folks,
since the Update to 5.1.1 today (925F) I have the option to check RAW Shooting in Camera FV-5. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to save RAW Images at all, at least I can't find them on my device?
So still no RAW Support on 5.1.1 and the FV-5 Settings is just buggy? Or am I doing something wrong?
RagePX said:
Hi Folks,
since the Update to 5.1.1 today (925F) I have the option to check RAW Shooting in Camera FV-5. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to save RAW Images at all, at least I can't find them on my device?
So still no RAW Support on 5.1.1 and the FV-5 Settings is just buggy? Or am I doing something wrong?
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yup, no support ..yet!
RagePX said:
Hi Folks,
since the Update to 5.1.1 today (925F) I have the option to check RAW Shooting in Camera FV-5. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to save RAW Images at all, at least I can't find them on my device?
So still no RAW Support on 5.1.1 and the FV-5 Settings is just buggy? Or am I doing something wrong?
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I'm also using Camera FV-5, but raw support is working fine here! Saved the DNG files in the appropriate folder.
You aren't trying to see them with a gallery app right? They need to be edited in photoshop or something first.
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I tried to download them via USB. Is there anything else I need to watch for?
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manual shutter speed just can 0.5 second open shutter in s6 edge ??
for lg g4 open shutter 30 second!!!
right???
If you go to "my files" you'll see the dng files in camera fv-5 folder. I haven't imported them to lightroom yet so I don't know how good the files are just yet. And sadly, slowest shutter speed is 0.5 seconds. Good enough to brighten a scene but not long enough for light trails or flowing water. I like the control I get with fv-5 but I feel like it doesn't focus well. My pictures look less sharp then native camera. I'm now trying snap camera hdr and that app also uses camera api 2 but you gotta enable it in settings. That app also focuses better.
hi..
camera fv5 install in s6 edge .
manual shutter speed is 0.5 second.....
In futures increase second shatter speed in galaxy s6 or just .05 second ???
Hello,
I have tried various exynos hdr+ camera port but hdr+ doesnt seem to work on the a8.
I tried with camera2 probe and it says that support is "limited".
Has anyone succeded to activate them?
Thank you
pollanza said:
Hello,
I have tried various exynos hdr+ camera port but hdr+ doesnt seem to work on the a8.
I tried with camera2 probe and it says that support is "limited".
Has anyone succeded to activate them?
Thank you
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try this link https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8+/how-to/port-google-camera-hdr-t3656120/
I have downloaded gcam version 4.4,, Hdr + works well with great picture & the large size of photos, between 8 to 9 Mb
I wish there is a programer member could make the new version of google camera that suitable for my A8 2018, because I have install the one from @MiniUser , it failed to catch portrait, my device restart by itself,,,,
yogacrypto said:
try this link https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8+/how-to/port-google-camera-hdr-t3656120/
I have downloaded gcam version 4.4,, Hdr + works well with great picture & the large size of photos, between 8 to 9 Mb
I wish there is a programer member could make the new version of google camera that suitable for my A8 2018, because I have install the one from @MiniUser , it failed to catch portrait, my device restart by itself,,,,
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I've tried the apk 4.4 in the conversation you linked and it freezes. I Can't take a photo with hdr+. You can take hdr photos with that version on your Galaxy a8 or in another phone?
Thank you
pollanza said:
I've tried the apk 4.4 in the conversation you linked and it freezes. I Can't take a photo with hdr+. You can take hdr photos with that version on your Galaxy a8 or in another phone?
Thank you
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it works on my device samsung A8 2018 Indonesia, or mybe you can try another version:
B-S-G's Modded Google Camera 5.1.014 with HDR+ for Android 7.0 / ARM64 v1.5f All-in-One Full
this version also works for my device, but I love the earlier version's result on HDr+ (B-S-G's Modded Google Camera 4.4.020 with HDR+ for Android 7.0 / ARM64 v3.8c All-in-One Full Manual), the picture result is better than my samsung A8 stock camera apps, especially it can get more detail in direct sunlight or low light with larger amount of file size
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pollanza said:
I've tried the apk 4.4 in the conversation you linked and it freezes. I Can't take a photo with hdr+. You can take hdr photos with that version on your Galaxy a8 or in another phone?
Thank you
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after download apk file, install it as normal apk, never use the setting on the website, in the camera menu will appear HDR+, you need to do is clik the HDR+ on,,, if you go to setting, it will crash or freeze
I have use open camera to test If my device is support camera.api2, & it is supported, ,,,(find on open camera setting, camera.api2 enable)
yogacrypto said:
it works on my device samsung A8 2018 Indonesia, or mybe you can try another version:
B-S-G's Modded Google Camera 5.1.014 with HDR+ for Android 7.0 / ARM64 v1.5f All-in-One Full
this version also works for my device, but I love the earlier version's result on HDr+ (B-S-G's Modded Google Camera 4.4.020 with HDR+ for Android 7.0 / ARM64 v3.8c All-in-One Full Manual), the picture result is better than my samsung A8 stock camera apps, especially it can get more detail in direct sunlight or low light with larger amount of file size
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after download apk file, install it as normal apk, never use the setting on the website, in the camera menu will appear HDR+, you need to do is clik the HDR+ on,,, if you go to setting, it will crash or freeze
I have use open camera to test If my device is support camera.api2, & it is supported, ,,,(find on open camera setting, camera.api2 enable)
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Thank you for your partecipation!!
I've done exactly as you said and I did various test.
With that version you can take a photo with hdr+ selected but it won't be a real hdr+ photo because it doesn't process the 3 photo like in supported phones. It takes a normal photo, a good photo, but not an hdr one because in the settings menu the hdr is disabled.
I've tried really a lot of the Google camera ports and not a single one can take an hdr photo.
The ones that try to take a real hdr photo crash, the ones that have some option that disable the her processing don't (even if it's selected into the camera option).
I really hope that with the Oreo update Samsung will activate the camera 2 api to a "level 3" settings because I don't want to root or unlock the boot loader to force the api activation.
I wish there's some programmer which could make an app to click pics in portrait mode from this phone, Please this phone just lacks that one thing.
hi, i need to ask you a question, a friend have galaxy A8 but can't record 4k videos, with Open Camera (with cameraApi2? it's possible to do it?
FInally I can make portrait photos by using gcam version 8 by mini user
in setting just disable all front cam Hdr+ & portrait mode coz it isn't working on my front cam (hang & push to restart), only working for rear one
in setting also enable fix black level offset (to prevent your portrait photos become red or pink)
below are the link,
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/themes/google-camera-portrait-mode-t3736859
for the sample please look at this link (portrait mode),
https://mobile.facebook.com/photo.p...2&source=47&ref=m_notif¬if_t=group_comment
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Avati1992 said:
hi, i need to ask you a question, a friend have galaxy A8 but can't record 4k videos, with Open Camera (with cameraApi2? it's possible to do it?
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I can record 4k (30fps) video with cinema 4k (I downloaded it at play store)
the result you cant play by using samsung video player so you need to download MX player
cinema 4k also doesn't provide to storage your video on sd card,,,,
I ve tried open camera & enable camera 2 APi, but the video resulution is only full HD (1080p)
perhaps this app also work for your A8 2018
With the last minuser version of the port, 8.2, I can too do real hdr+ photos. It elaborates the image after I take It, file dimension is big around 7 mb and quality is good, a lot better than the default camera for the rear cam.
If you disable the front camera hdr fix it disable the hdr in the rear camera too.
I think I'll stick with this version because it's the only one that has real hdr+ working.
the latest version 8.2 of @miniuser123 works fine, but you have to deactivate the flash, otherwise the app crashes and the phone restarts. From the settings you only have to activate fix black level offset to prevent the portrait photos are with a lilac patina. The hdr setting for the front camera leaves it unchanged, otherwise it also acts on the rear camera. So much for the selfie is great for the Samsung app, considering that the Galaxy A8 has 2 front cameras.
With the 8.2 the difference between the stock camera and the gcam is enormous.
It seems as if Samsung limited the quality of the post processing so this phone, even with a good (and advertised 16mb 1.7) rear camera, couldn't even go near the s8 in photo quality. I've compared a lot of photos I took simultaneously with my a8 and the s8+ of a friend of mine.
With the stock camera the s8 wins hands down. If you compare the a8 pics taken with a working hdr+ gcam the gap is a lot smaller. They come close, but the s8 has always the lead.
Anyone has a portrait mode working on rear camera?
Thx
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Hopefully some developer make mod for stock camera make it real 16mp result back overall phone is good the real disappointment for me is the rear camera specially in night or low light too blurry to shake
Did anyone managed to get raw file support working with some of these versions ?
Tnbh9 said:
Hopefully some developer make mod for stock camera make it real 16mp result back overall phone is good the real disappointment for me is the rear camera specially in night or low light too blurry to shake
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So True! The Phone is fantastic but with stock rear camera settings could be better! Fortunately miniuser and his gcamera port fixed it.
He released an 8.3 beta version. Stable on our phone as the 8.2.
does anyone knows how to make the front cam working? pressing the shutter button didn't do a thing.
using the 8.3 beta version on my galaxy A8 2018
DumDumBumBum said:
does anyone knows how to make the front cam working? pressing the shutter button didn't do a thing.
using the 8.3 beta version on my galaxy A8 2018
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You need to disable the "hdr+ front camera" setting. But then you won't have hdr+ on the rear camera anymore!
pollanza said:
So True! The Phone is fantastic but with stock rear camera settings could be better! Fortunately miniuser and his gcamera port fixed it.
He released an 8.3 beta version. Stable on our phone as the 8.2.
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Thanks I never knew there's 8.3 I installed it and I see some not much difference and also potrait mode turn into pinkish can you share settings what i do setting
pollanza said:
You need to disable the "hdr+ front camera" setting. But then you won't have hdr+ on the rear camera anymore!
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Do you have a working portrait mode settings?
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My phone reboots when I take the photos. Do you have any configuration before using? What can it be?
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yogacrypto said:
try this link https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8+/how-to/port-google-camera-hdr-t3656120/
I have downloaded gcam version 4.4,, Hdr + works well with great picture & the large size of photos, between 8 to 9 Mb
I wish there is a programer member could make the new version of google camera that suitable for my A8 2018, because I have install the one from @MiniUser , it failed to catch portrait, my device restart by itself,,,,
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Could send me the link of the your exactly version? My device reboot by itself on all version i install
Hi,
Can someone with Xperia 1 please:
1. Install "Camera2 API probe" and report if it has a green check for "RAW capture".
2. If RAW is indeed supported, please install "Open Camera" (or another third party app supporting RAW output), take some pictures in DNG format and provide the original DNG files.
3. Also take the same photos with the stock Sony cam and provide the original JPG files for comparison with the DNG.
I think this may help quite a few people since we have yet to see any evidence of RAW support and samples from Xperia 1.
Thank you in advance.
Here you go buddy :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-FEhQP1ESsUeTmt-5EIT-dVF4eMNo5fK/view?usp=drivesdk
Thanks a lot for your quick reply.
Of course if you have a chance to post some unprocessed DNG's vs stock cam that would be great.
I'd like to test if we can extract better quality than stock from the RAW in post processing.
Raw Capture App : Camera FV-5
Hi there, I too realized that the stock camera under not so ideal conditions does not really produce the best image. Hope sony does fix it with an update, they have after years made a good phone to compete with other really hope they don't screw it up.
Coming back to topic :
I am currently using Camera FV-5 paid application and the RAW image is amazing in terms of getting a good base to play around on lightroom. I am even getting extremely impressive images by editing it on phone with Lightroom (paid full) android app.
I will try and post a google drive link in sometime, but for a quick feedback the RAW capture on Xperia 1 is good. I am sure even other 3rd party RAW apps should work well., given it has full Camera 2 API support. (Note it does not support level 3 API though)
Thank you cletusindia for your valuable info,
Can you tell me if the RAW support also applies to the telephoto and ultrawide lenses ?
Also can you access these lenses with FV-5 ? (I have FV-5 but only 1 lens on the XZ2 so I dont' know how it deals with multi-lens.)
chgr said:
Thank you cletusindia for your valuable info,
Can you tell me if the RAW support also applies to the telephoto and ultrawide lenses ?
Also can you access these lenses with FV-5 ? (I have FV-5 but only 1 lens on the XZ2 so I dont' know how it deals with multi-lens.)
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No, just the main camera. I also use Open Camera, even this app only uses main lens with digital zoom.
Also from camera2 probe (APP) i noticed the Wide angle lens does not support RAW. its only the main and telephoto lens.
cletusindia said:
No, just the main camera. I also use Open Camera, even this app only uses main lens with digital zoom.
Also from camera2 probe (APP) i noticed the Wide angle lens does not support RAW. its only the main and telephoto lens.
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That's wierd...
raw image samples
can you please share raw image samples from the xperia 1?
taken with lightroom cc. f/1.6. auto wb. excuse the banding as they were taken under fluorescent lighting. it's not bad imo. iso3200 is useable.
iso 64
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17ruN_o3mICXZn8Z-yvqadXLeYJidYCmY/view?usp=sharing
iso 419
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WodfZ6UH5D9vcD71tHRrgzggZLA_VNan/view?usp=sharing
iso 1228
https://drive.google.com/file/d/110P_9DNegQcFYR5o4k9fhq8B1jtjJUoF/view?usp=sharing
iso 3191
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1R665Xx6E3Jt_e1bbmFsK90ySMqgxHg5Z/view?usp=sharing
RAW
cletusindia said:
No, just the main camera. I also use Open Camera, even this app only uses main lens with digital zoom.
Also from camera2 probe (APP) i noticed the Wide angle lens does not support RAW. its only the main and telephoto lens.
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Isn't it possible to switch to the wide angle and telephoto on 3rd party apps like open camera?
It doesn't make sense sony locking it even if the JPEG are great.
LG phones have RAW on all lenses for years altought JPEG processing in the later models is not very good.
As this device powered by SD 730 chipset it should support gcam port...
So share gcam mod that supports on our Device
we are waiting
https://mega.nz/file/Er4UTCIR#UFdSrQyVc-7ZVbtIHNTT8pRnOKZib95qikz5FtTEzKM
I found Urnyx05's latest version runs well without issues. As well as Arnova but requires to switch the Mod in order to make the slow motion work.
But switching camera lenses is missing in both versions. Also timelapse does not run of 4k mode in Urnyx05.
Is the picture and movie quality noticeably better then stock camera or Open Camera for example?
DonAndress said:
Is the picture and movie quality noticeably better then stock camera or Open Camera for example?
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I noticed a big difference between google camera and the stock camera in terms of landscape views, google camera does a lot better(especially after turning on Lib patcher settings). But for individual objects it seems the stock camera does better in terms of exposure. I think I will depend on google cam just for landscape photos and raw images.
One thing I also found today, when I record with Slow Motion in google cam.. the video will not work.
I haven't found any that adequately support the phone's cameras.
Waiting in vain for astrophotography support with more than 3sec shutter speed.
This device doesn't even have a full PRO camera mode that can adjust shutter speed.
got it on my stock build A71. Photo's are good, but can't do widescreen. Videos are ok, seams quicker on videos, less time "catching up " with what's on the screen . will test outside later, no AR as well , but stable.
we need a port that can use the fullest of the cameras, ex: 64mp, this way we can take raw pictures and have more control
Jaime albino said:
we need a port that can use the fullest of the cameras, ex: 64mp, this way we can take raw pictures and have more control
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I'm not sure samsung allows full access to the camera for 3rd party apps in the A71. For example I can't get 60 or more fps in any 3rd party app regardless of the resolution, including filmic pro. Only 30 and 24 fps is possible. Real shame...
DonAndress said:
I'm not sure samsung allows full access to the camera for 3rd party apps in the A71. For example I can't get 60 or more fps in any 3rd party app regardless of the resolution, including filmic pro. Only 30 and 24 fps is possible. Real shame...
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Yeah I noticed that too, This phone cameras are really good, nothing to complain, just the stock camera app that It's too limited, the phone support camera2api but the stock app doesn't let us tweak our photos in a professional way, there's that "Pro" mode in the app but it's nothing near the real capabilities of Camera2Api with raw photos and so on.
I read in Arnova's article in Google Camera port that there is a module for magisk to enable all the cameras of the phone. Anyone tried it ?
Also I would confirm that there are still issues with the slow motion recorder, the video will be lagging.
I have just checked the last update of Urnyx 7.3.0.018and added the config file of Samsung A71 and it actually works very well! even switching Auxiliary Camera works. But there are two things are still missing:
1-It seems it swithces to the wide camera only (12mp) for both 0.6x and 2x, so 64mp and micro are not added.
2-Slow motion mode still lagging.
I think we should work on making a specific version or configs for A71 which enables the rest of Cameras.
[UPDATE]
Using Arnova Gcam, lastest version. I was able to switch the camera lens between 12mp (wide) and 16mp(main). The other lenses keep crashing the app.
This was done by setting ID Camera 0 and ID Camera 2 in the Mod settings. Maybe by the magisc module it may work, yet my phone is not rooted.
Jaime albino said:
Yeah I noticed that too, This phone cameras are really good, nothing to complain, just the stock camera app that It's too limited, the phone support camera2api but the stock app doesn't let us tweak our photos in a professional way, there's that "Pro" mode in the app but it's nothing near the real capabilities of Camera2Api with raw photos and so on.
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We have a new system update that enables some of the pro mode functions. However, when changing the shutter speed the stock camera always fails...
And some changes when doing an astrophotography shot with the gcam before the update there is less than 3 sec shutter speed. Now i can get 14 sec. But the photo still dark and awful.
what is the best gcam for a71
doppels said:
what is the best gcam for a71
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Urnyx 7.3.0.018and added the config file of Samsung A71
Here link.
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/changelog1218/
zeezo9 said:
2-Slow motion mode still lagging.
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What do you consider slow motion, 60 fps or higher?
I think we should work on making a specific version or configs for A71 which enables the rest of Cameras.
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Can you guide on how to do this?
Using Arnova Gcam, lastest version. I was able to switch the camera lens between 12mp (wide) and 16mp(main). The other lenses keep crashing the app.
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Well still, two lenses available is good enough
Maybe by the magisc module it may work, yet my phone is not rooted.
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Do you plan to root?
DonAndress said:
What do you consider slow motion, 60 fps or higher?
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There are two options 1/4 and 1/8.. both keep lagging after playing the recorder. in 1/4 it is less lagging though. i am not sure if 1/4 is 60 or 30 fps
DonAndress said:
Can you guide on how to do this?
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By editing the options you can export a config file. For example in Arnova's version, there is a mod option which gives you extra optiions that you set and then export a config file, I don't know much but I think for our case we need deeper changes in the port. We might need to edit the port files.
DonAndress said:
Well still, two lenses available is good enough
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Yes but that's not enough, I personally aim for 64mp camera and if we are able to take RAW images with that will be a nice thing. We have a good camera in this phone but it is diappointing Samsung did not provide Raw Images option in the new update.
DonAndress said:
Do you plan to root?
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For now I have no plans, it is still risky as long as there is little support for the phone in the forum. But I would love to get deeper in helping to improve a better port of GCam for the phone.
Is anyone elses viewfinder laggy? The preview image?
Best gcam I have found is: https://1-dontsharethislink.celsoazevedo.com/file/filesc/MGC_8.1.101_A9_GV1i_snap.apk
All cameras are working nicely, no issues that I have found. Based on google camera 8.1
Is there a version of this camera that reduces color saturation? Some that take photos with more natural colors?
Gaga Kanasta said:
Is there a version of this camera that reduces color saturation? Some that take photos with more natural colors?
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Just change saturation yourself in settings for the lenses you wish. You can tweak every setting to your liking.
briandarrel said:
Best gcam I have found is: https://1-dontsharethislink.celsoazevedo.com/file/filesc/MGC_8.1.101_A9_GV1i_snap.apk
All cameras are working nicely, no issues that I have found. Based on google camera 8.1
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I tried this one, works fine (especially the 4k60, which phone is obviously capable of), except for the Night Sight, the photos are so bad in that mode, much much worse than stock Night mode. Which is already by far the worst aspect of the camera on this model. I hope improved GCam comes out that doesn't mess the Night Sight.
Nice cam. Really like the 4k60. But the image stabilisation isn't working for me. Any specific config file I should be using?
BSG GCam APKs - Google Camera Port
Modified Google Camera app by BSG.
www.celsoazevedo.com
i'm using the newest iteration of the MGC_8.1.101_A9_GV being the 1L
only thing what i am missing is the macro function
xtrme said:
BSG GCam APKs - Google Camera Port
Modified Google Camera app by BSG.
www.celsoazevedo.com
i'm using the newest iteration of the MGC_8.1.101_A9_GV being the 1L
only thing what i am missing is the macro function
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Bsg gcam should detect the macro sensor automatically but if not find the camera id in app like Device Info HW and enable it in gcam settings.
zaqm said:
Bsg gcam should detect the macro sensor automatically but if not find the camera id in app like Device Info HW and enable it in gcam settings.
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I Can choose the 1.9 zoom camera (what you call macro?) But it can't focus.
Any solution ?
lcarolo said:
I Can choose the 1.9 zoom camera (what you call macro?) But it can't focus.
Any solution ?
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Post screenshot of the viewfinder of gcam to see the available buttons. If the 1.9 is the macro camera it will focus only on short distance up to 10cm.
lcarolo said:
I Can choose the 1.9 zoom camera (what you call macro?) But it can't focus.
Any solution ?
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it is macro camera try to get really close to some object and it will focus.
any GCam you've tried that has working EIS in 4k 60?
nobady getting 64MP?
which version do i have to download for mi 11 lite 5g?
BSG: MGC_8.1.101_A9_GV1zfix
Download MGC_8.1.101_A9_GV1zfix by BSG.
www.celsoazevedo.com
xtremesystems said:
which version do i have to download for mi 11 lite 5g?
BSG: MGC_8.1.101_A9_GV1zfix
Download MGC_8.1.101_A9_GV1zfix by BSG.
www.celsoazevedo.com
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I would be interested in shooting at 64 megapixels in RAW format, is that possible? Thank you!
I would be interested in shooting at 64 megapixels in RAW format, is that possible? Thank you!
4K60 is not working for me for the above mentioned build.
After 03 seconds camera stops recording by itself and the video is not saved on the gallery
vandal4e said:
any GCam you've tried that has working EIS in 4k 60?
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Do you mean you have EIS working in other resolutions? I wish I had EIS working at all. I tried so many different gcam versions. Tried so many configs and settings too... I asked here, I also asked on the gcam Telegram group. Never even got an answer...
4k60 with EIS works perfect for me
MGC_8.1.101_A9_GV1i_snap.apk
Can help buddy, 4k / 60 worked great for me until about 15 days ago, and now my black image when I enter the video will not record at all, the default camera records in 1080/60 but this one stopped whether it was due to an update by someone ?