This is the UNMODIFIED STOCK ROM for the Chinese version of Moto X Pure/Style. Model Number XT1570.
The Chinese variant NEVER moved to Marshmallow. While this ROM is NOT the newest, it is one of later official ROM.
Since entire Google is censored by the Chinese government, this ROM does NOT come with ANY Google applications. Many of the similar function are replaced by (much inferior) Chinese equivalent.
Note that Chinese variant is different from other dual SIM variant in the following way:
1. LTE band is different. This is the only variant I am aware of which support both US/AT&T and China/China Unicom LTE band
2. Chinese variant support Baidu Navigation signal in addition to GPS and GLONASS
Additional hardware detail of Chinese variant is in my other post:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-style/help/moto-x-style-chinesevariant-xt1570-t3239240
Download URI Link
https://pan.baidu.com/s/1eSIatzk
Password
uwbj
Notice that by default, the batch file WILL flash stock recovery files. be warned!
Is there any chance of flashing it into a XT1572 firmware and be able to use the other bands? I'm new at this and I'm not sure if is it possible
YisusDeSalta said:
Is there any chance of flashing it into a XT1572 firmware and be able to use the other bands? I'm new at this and I'm not sure if is it possible
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people in China tried and it was very messy. radio no longer worked property. I advice you against it.
I have flashed Lineage OS CM13. both sim card works. BUT I am not in China at the moment, and China uses a different frequency. So, I can't guarantee if it works or not.
YisusDeSalta said:
Is there any chance of flashing it into a XT1572 firmware and be able to use the other bands? I'm new at this and I'm not sure if is it possible
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Do it at your own risk.. there are possiblties that
1) 2nd SIM won't work
2)you will end up in bootloop
3)while flashing you might get pre valid fail errors
4) it might get installed but you will get lots of FCS
5) everything will be Chinese so you won't understand anything
Do it at your own risk..
Advice to take backup of your rom via twrp and then proceed (at your own risk)
Sagar_1401 said:
Do it at your own risk.. there are possiblties that
1) 2nd SIM won't work
2)you will end up in bootloop
3)while flashing you might get pre valid fail errors
4) it might get installed but you will get lots of FCS
5) everything will be Chinese so you won't understand anything
Do it at your own risk..
Advice to take backup of your rom via twrp and then proceed (at your own risk)
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Chinese version of x style is being sold in Iran due to sanctions of American manufacturer. our service center flashes xt1572 retasia ds 6.0.1 official ROM and it works fine in IRAN, Chinese network may vary. they also tried flashing retasia and retla DS 7.0 on xt1570 but sim won't work.
i'm gonna try it myself.
kngharv said:
people in China tried and it was very messy. radio no longer worked property. I advice you against it.
I have flashed Lineage OS CM13. both sim card works. BUT I am not in China at the moment, and China uses a different frequency. So, I can't guarantee if it works or not.
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Hi, can you share the link for "OS CM13" for download for XT1570, i want to try it.
I am currently on 5.1.1 stock ROM, i need clarification on two things
1. My google maps only works when i try to find something but when i ask for assistance it looses GPS signals while i move. I had tried different location & networks but situation remains the same. So any similar issues or should i change to some other Navigation App. My location is Pakistan.
2. Battery timings with 4G LTE, i am getting approx 8-10 hours. Tried replacing it with new but same results.
Hope to hear from you soon.
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Hello,
i use the software XperiFirm to download firmwares for my Z5C.
I live in Austria but there are only three providers in the list from Austria.
I have a phone without any branding and i don't know which one i should use because i am not a user of any of this providers.
Is it possible to use for example the T-Mobile firmware even if i don't have a T-Mobile Sim Card?
And is it also possible to use a Firmware from another country?
Best regards
Zillinda
Zillinda said:
Hello,
i use the software XperiFirm to download firmwares for my Z5C.
I live in Austria but there are only three providers in the list from Austria.
I have a phone without any branding and i don't know which one i should use because i am not a user of any of this providers.
Is it possible to use for example the T-Mobile firmware even if i don't have a T-Mobile Sim Card?
And is it also possible to use a Firmware from another country?
Best regards
Zillinda
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there might be problem with sim card if you flash USA roms cause they more restriction & ...
but other than that you flash any official firmware with same android version.
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Normally you can use any version for E5823.
The difference between the austrian roms are that providers pack some of their apps into the rom( like "a1 apps" or "mein a1" for example. If you want a rom without provider apps you can use the customized de version for germamy for example.
However you could of course run into a little problem by using a rom from another country that i had myself.
From what you said, i assume you are neither using a1, t-mobile nor drei as your provider. All of the other providers in austria like bob, hot or upc are using the network infrastructure of one of the those 3 big providers by national roaming.
However his could result in you to have allow roaming all the time to use mobile data. Could cause costs if you live near the boarder or if you forget to turn of when you leave country.
I had this problem with the customized de firmware for germany with which i got my device. My provider "Ge org" wasn't recognized correctly. After flashing the A1 firmware( Ge org is using A1 network) all works properly.
Gewiz said:
Normally you can use any version for E5823.
The difference between the austrian roms are that providers pack some of their apps into the rom( like "a1 apps" or "mein a1" for example. If you want a rom without provider apps you can use the customized de version for germamy for example.
However you could of course run into a little problem by using a rom from another country that i had myself.
From what you said, i assume you are neither using a1, t-mobile nor drei as your provider. All of the other providers in austria like bob, hot or upc are using the network infrastructure of one of the those 3 big providers by national roaming.
However his could result in you to have allow roaming all the time to use mobile data. Could cause costs if you live near the boarder or if you forget to turn of when you leave country.
I had this problem with the customized de firmware for germany with which i got my device. My provider "Ge org" wasn't recognized correctly. After flashing the A1 firmware( Ge org is using A1 network) all works properly.
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Hello, thanks for your answer.
My provider is HoT and it's using the infrastructure of T-Mobile. When i flash the T-Mobile Firmware do i still get the OTA updates and what about the warranty?
Zillinda said:
Hello, thanks for your answer.
My provider is HoT and it's using the infrastructure of T-Mobile. When i flash the T-Mobile Firmware do i still get the OTA updates and what about the warranty?
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I also believe this should be the best choice for you.
If you stay unrooted you should have no problems with OTA updates. Warranty should be afaik no problem if you don't unlock your bootloader, which is not needed to install another stock rom. However i don't know for sure, cause i don't care much about warranty since i repair hardware issues on my devices by myself
Gewiz said:
I also believe this should be the best choice for you.
If you stay unrooted you should have no problems with OTA updates. Warranty should be afaik no problem if you don't unlock your bootloader, which is not needed to install another stock rom. However i don't know for sure, cause i don't care much about warranty since i repair hardware issues on my devices by myself
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Do i have to reset my phone before flashing? I currently have a firmware without branding and i want to flash the one with the T-Mobile branding.
Is it possible to flash it without a reset?
Zillinda said:
Do i have to reset my phone before flashing? I currently have a firmware without branding and i want to flash the one with the T-Mobile branding.
Is it possible to flash it without a reset?
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That's up to you.
A dirty flash should run and work properly. But a dirty flash (especially when your data and apps is the same as when you where using Android 6.0) can result in unexpected behavior:
- Crashing apps
- Wakelocks
- Battery drain
...
So it's always better to do a clean install when you upgrade to android 7.0
If you don't care about the possibility of instable behaviour or battery inefficiency, then a dirty flash (keeping your data/apps) will be much easier/faster.
Hi Guys Im using a SM-G965N in the UK, when I try to register for the Pie Beta it give me the message "Your sim card doenst match the service provider software on your phone. This is common if you've changed service providers or if your phone and SIM card are from different country's" Im using the 3 network in the UK and the phone is LGu... Anyone have any work around..?
Anyone? I have exactly same problem. I got sm-g965n with LG Uplus carrier living in other country. Can i just flask stock firmware in my region to get rid of all the bloats and also is there a way for me to participate in pie beta? I can also swap this one with carrier unlocked SD845 version. Can i flash US stock on that one also?
Hi guys, I'm running into a similar issue with G965F device in Canada.
Here's what I've been able to piece together. Each device is a hardware variant and can use a specific set of firmware variants (sometimes called Multi-CSC). Your hardware variant is G965N. And if you look at sammobile for hardware variant, you can see the set of firmware available for this specific device. Unfortunately for you, there is ONLY Korean firmware for this hardware variant. For me, I have many more options but still no Canada!
It it completely inadvisable to flash the firmware onto your device that is not specifically tailored to your hardware. It's especially stupid when the firmware is tailored for an entirely different chipset (for example, Exynos firmware for Snapdragon hardware). But even if the devices use the same chipset, there may exist other hardware differences that will cause instability/errors/ bricks/unknown.
So as far as I can tell, we're all screwed. Have a nice day
Great news. I got into Pie Beta with my g965n. I was about to change my phone when i found LG Uplus sim card in my country. I put the sim card in and was able to register and download OTA. Now i am on android pie.
Nomado said:
Great news. I got into Pie Beta with my g965n. I was about to change my phone when i found LG Uplus sim card in my country. I put the sim card in and was able to register and download OTA. Now i am on android pie.
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Send me the sim card.....PLEASE !!!! or tell me where you got it..
damonsk14 said:
Send me the sim card.....PLEASE !!!! or tell me where you got it..
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I found it almost by luck. I was at this phone store when i randomly asked from a lady selling smart phones whether she had Lg Uplus sim card or not and she said yeah i got few. You can have one. That is how i found one. I wouldn't be able to ship it outside country without reliable shipping service in my country.
damonsk14 said:
Hi Guys Im using a SM-G965N in the UK, when I try to register for the Pie Beta it give me the message "Your sim card doenst match the service provider software on your phone. This is common if you've changed service providers or if your phone and SIM card are from different country's" Im using the 3 network in the UK and the phone is LGu... Anyone have any work around..?
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Ran in to the same issue. Flashing in a Custom ROM helped.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=81856129&postcount=2150
Gamaka said:
Ran in to the same issue. Flashing in a Custom ROM helped.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=81856129&postcount=2150
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which one custom rom did you flash ?
Graphite` said:
which one custom rom did you flash ?
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Visit
https://androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=257743
Use SM-G965N files
I recently bought a Samsung Galaxy J8 from Australia because I lost my phone there. When I came home to India I found out that the Australian J8 does not support VoLTE (Voice over LTE) but I need VoLTE for my Indian sim card to work. So I went to the Samsung service center but they straight away denied any support since I bought this in another country.
The Indian varient J8 supports VoLTE but the Australian one does not even when both the phones have the exact same hardware. So its a software limitation.
Can anyone suggest any method I can use to install any custom ROM that'll support VoLTE.
I'm willing to install anything, root my phone or whatever it takes since I'm never gonna get any warranty on this. So I might as well try everything else.
Amritansu_Mitra said:
I recently bought a Samsung Galaxy J8 from Australia because I lost my phone there. When I came home to India I found out that the Australian J8 does not support VoLTE (Voice over LTE) but I need VoLTE for my Indian sim card to work. So I went to the Samsung service center but they straight away denied any support since I bought this in another country.
The Indian varient J8 supports VoLTE but the Australian one does not even when both the phones have the exact same hardware. So its a software limitation.
Can anyone suggest any method I can use to install any custom ROM that'll support VoLTE.
I'm willing to install anything, root my phone or whatever it takes since I'm never gonna get any warranty on this. So I might as well try everything else.
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Just download Indian firmware from sammobile and flash via odin, that will contain latest modem for your device. It might bring VoLTE, because I think its software problem.
Bad.Wolf said:
Just download Indian firmware from sammobile and flash via odin, that will contain latest modem for your device. It might bring VoLTE, because I think its software problem.
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I tried but it won't let me install any other model firmware. My phone's Model Number is SM-J810Y but the phones available in India have model number SM-J810G. So it won't let me install the "G" firmware. I get a failed message.
Do you have any other suggestion?
help
Hi, I wanted to change my ROM but I forgot the OEM. I am stuck with the FRP. Someone would have the U3 COMBINATION for the J810YDXU3BSE1
Please
Hi. I want to flash a Brazilian firmware (dual SIM) into my US hardware (single SIM). Both are Snapdragon. Reason is that I want to use the Brazilian Samsung Pay. Bough the phone in the US but I live in Brazil.
Can I flash THIS ROM without problems? Will it trigger Knox? Any loss in functionality?
Thank you all.
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Hi. I want to flash a Brazilian firmware (dual SIM) into my US hardware (single SIM). Both are Snapdragon. Reason is that I want to use the Brazilian Samsung Pay. Bough the phone in the US but I live in Brazil.
Can I flash THIS ROM without problems? Will it trigger Knox? Any loss in functionality?
Thank you all.
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no
gustavrsh said:
Hi. I want to flash a Brazilian firmware (dual SIM) into my US hardware (single SIM). Both are Snapdragon. Reason is that I want to use the Brazilian Samsung Pay. Bough the phone in the US but I live in Brazil.
Can I flash THIS ROM without problems? Will it trigger Knox? Any loss in functionality?
Thank you all.
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not possible. also, is there not a CSC for your area you can flash instead?
I don't know why these guys say it's not possible, maybe it isn't with your model. I also don't want to give you any bad ideas or anything, so use your own discretion & research.
My phone was unusable when I did this, so I had nothing to lose when I did this (It worked though).
I easily flashed my canadian note 8 with a us firmware using modified odin (must be same version bootloader).
It has warranty status 0x0 (aka, Knox is NOT tripped).
AGAIN, I'm not advising you try this with your model, unless you know what you're doing. I just want to make the information available to you.
Edit: I'm just waiting for someone to upload snapdragon beta 3 one ui 2.0. I'm going to try the same method to convert my Canadian s9+ to USA version.
Edit 2: I can confirm this method works on my Canadian s9+ aswell.
Amb669 said:
I don't know why these guys say it's not possible, maybe it isn't with your model. I also don't want to give you any bad ideas or anything, so use your own discretion & research.
My phone was unusable when I did this, so I had nothing to lose when I did this (It worked though).
I easily flashed my canadian note 8 with a us firmware using modified odin (must be same version bootloader).
It has warranty status 0x0 (aka, Knox is NOT tripped).
AGAIN, I'm not advising you try this with your model, unless you know what you're doing. I just want to make the information available to you.
Edit: I'm just waiting for someone to upload snapdragon beta 3 one ui 2.0. I'm going to try the same method to convert my Canadian s9+ to USA version.
Edit 2: I can confirm this method works on my Canadian s9+ aswell.
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Yeah I don't think it'll work on mine, since it's a single sim phone, and the ROM I wanted was for a dual sim version. Unless of course the hardware is the same and the second SIM slot is present. I could try, but I don't want to risk it. Maybe later when Sammy stops updating the phone.
Youdoofus said:
not possible. also, is there not a CSC for your area you can flash instead?
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Unfortunately not. The SM-G965U1 is the US unlocked version. There are only CSCs for American carriers.
gustavrsh said:
Yeah I don't think it'll work on mine, since it's a single sim phone, and the ROM I wanted was for a dual sim version. Unless of course the hardware is the same and the second SIM slot is present. I could try, but I don't want to risk it. Maybe later when Sammy stops updating the phone.
Unfortunately not. The SM-G965U1 is the US unlocked version. There are only CSCs for American carriers.
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if its truly unlocked, then you should already have the U1 firmware on it. Get modded Odin and the U1 firmware, flash it in Odin and go from there. I never looked back after ditching the carrier junk on my phone
Sometime ago I did somethinh like that on my Arabian S7 Edge that I bough in Paraguai, it was Dual Sim model and i flashed ZTO CSC via Odin, and the phone was working well, but i'm not sure if the reverse works, and even the models were similar (F vs FD version) in your case u have 965U vs 9650, I would not take that risk, i thing that a korean or chinese model is 9650 too
look at this picture, US version has more bands so the modem could be different, you can try but you're risking your phone
davenasc said:
look at this picture, US version has more bands so the modem could be different, you can try but you're risking your phone
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yep, they are different phones that just so happen to use the same processor. Different bootloader, same chassis for whatever reason. Anyways, there have been threads talking about converting the 9650 to a 965u, but ive never seen anyone confirming that it indeed works. Big risk, but as long as one can get back to Odin mode, one should be good.
Hi Everyone,
I've recently bought a Oppo Reno 3 Pro 5G dual SIM from China and I would like to unlock the bootloader to flash an oversea version firmware (with GMS framework). I have enabled the Developer option and OEM Unlocking function and I am having difficulty to get into Fastboot mode. With the phone powered off, I press the volume down button + power button and it only boots into recovery mode. Can someone please point me to the right direction? I also need some help of finding the right firmware for this model and flashing tool. I found this firmware Oppo_Reno 3_Pro_5G_PCRM00_11_A.02_191215.ofp online and not sure if that would be the right one.
Thanks,
Joe
jone886 said:
Hi Everyone,
I've recently bought a Oppo Reno 3 Pro 5G dual SIM from China and I would like to unlock the bootloader to flash an oversea version firmware (with GMS framework). I have enabled the Developer option and OEM Unlocking function and I am having difficulty to get into Fastboot mode. With the phone powered off, I press the volume down button + power button and it only boots into recovery mode. Can someone please point me to the right direction? I also need some help of finding the right firmware for this model and flashing tool. I found this firmware Oppo_Reno 3_Pro_5G_PCRM00_11_A.02_191215.ofp online and not sure if that would be the right one.
Thanks,
Joe
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to enter fastboot mode you have to push volume button up and power, not volume down on this phone or you enter in adb shell on your PC the command "adb reboot fastboot"
BUT: I think, there are a lot of hints still not known by us users to unlock this oppo phone. We might like on Xiaomi phones need an oppo Account to unlock.
I myself didn't try to unlock yet. Does only make sense when a working TWRP is out
There was a note in the OPPO RENO forum about getting and running a file from OPPO, after 60 days.
For me the Chinese version is not good anymore, now I can't install any new app on this phone because it says that I have to log in to a heytap account. But if I want to log in, I have to give my Chinese phone number.. I don't have Chinese phone number of course. Any solutions to this problem?
Now the find x2 neo (cph2009eu) released as the global version, and I want to install it's software because it's 100% the same hardware if I know it well. But I can't. I have the firmware for it from the internet, but in a .ofp file, I can't flash it
Okay, now I found a method to install apps without signing in with a chinese number, so the global software is not urgent anymore, but it would be good anyway.
I tried to install the global software via qfil, but it gives sahara error. After a quick search I found that we have to unlock the phone's bootloader to flash the global rom.
But the chinese version that I have does not have fastboot mode, so maybe we have to wait until Oppo will unlock the phone's bootloader officially (probably we have to wait until the next Android/ColorOS beta)
I have bought this EU Version, but funny thing here: they disabled 5G. Mine has 765G, 12GB RAM, dual SIM but neither specified nor selectable 5G
Hi all,
I also own the Chinese version of this phone (PCRM00)
Looking to unlock the bootloader, install EU version of the ROM and also root..
Any help?
Thanks!
Hi,
the Oppo registration ist now available with a none-chinese mobile number. Seems they splittet the HeyTap and Oppo services so you can use an least the Oppo services.
Here is the software update of the global version
https://oppo-uk.custhelp.com/app/software_update_detail/p_name/Find+X2+Neo
It gives an error, so suddenly we cant install it simply from the original recovery
My variant is just the 128/8gb version, and maybe this also could be a problem, becouse the global phone has only 256/12 variant. So maybe with a 256/12 varint its woth a try
XDAnonymus said:
Here is the software update of the global version
https://oppo-uk.custhelp.com/app/software_update_detail/p_name/Find+X2+Neo
It gives an error, so suddenly we cant install it simply from the original recovery
My variant is just the 128/8gb version, and maybe this also could be a problem, becouse the global phone has only 256/12 variant. So maybe with a 256/12 varint its woth a try
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I have 12/256 EU Version (seems to sell in Poland), dual-SIM, 4G only (although SD765G).
Current Firmware reads CHP2009_11_A.08, March security update.
Is this a valid update or will it possibly bring 5G?
Preacher_at said:
I have 12/256 EU Version (seems to sell in Poland), dual-SIM, 4G only (although SD765G).
Current Firmware reads CHP2009_11_A.08, March security update.
Is this a valid update or will it possibly bring 5G?
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If you have the single-camerahole, 765G version, and the phone is CHP2009, this update maybe woth a try. The problem could be that Oppo dont allow to change the firmware in the official recovery, only update is possible, so if I try to install the global (CHP2009EU) on my PCRM00 (chinese) variant, it fails and dont install anything. And we dont have custom recoverys yet, and the chinese version dont even have fastboot mode to unlock the bootloader, so it seems impossible for me to install the global until Oppo dont unlock our phones bootloaders officially (for example for a beta upadate)
But if you already have CHP2009 software, maybe the update that I linked worth a try. If the recovery allows it..
If I know it well, the CHP2009EU (Oppo find X2 neo) have 5g modem, just like the chinese variant that I have (Theyre the same phone, but the software is different. I want the global software instead of the chinese becouse of Netflix HDR and Google assistant)
It is the single camera hole but 5G disabled- See Spec
I'd show you, but I cannot share screenshots here.
Would it reject update if it was not functional version or would I brick the device, if I flashed incorrect version?
The difference I see ist that X2 neo has single SIM and Reno3 pro has dual. I know from other brands, that this can brick the phone.
Preacher_at said:
It is the single camera hole but 5G disabled- See Spec
I'd show you, but I cannot share screenshots here.
Would it reject update if it was not functional version or would I brick the device, if I flashed incorrect version?
The difference I see ist that X2 neo has single SIM and Reno3 pro has dual. I know from other brands, that this can brick the phone.
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There's always a theoretical chance to brick your device when you modify the software, it's your responsibility. But I think there's more chance that the original recovery that we have won't allow you to update your software to the X2 neo's software. If you want 5g, you can try the Chinese variant's software, but I think the recovery won't allow the other softwares to install
XDAnonymus said:
There's always a theoretical chance to brick your device when you modify the software, it's your responsibility.
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I have it now for three weeks, no need for 5G, so better have a working than bricked phone currently.
Probably I'd play around in one year, when tools are more stable.
In fact I considered to search for an update on Polish Oppo site and found an update file for my Reno3 Pro, that was exactly the same as from your link and X2 neo.
So I did the update via Recovery, it ran through and landed with version .28.
It did not change anything on supported bands.
I remember from Sony phones, that bands are defined in NVRAM.
It seems that for all Reno3/X2 variants with 765G the firmware is the same, it is distinguished only by supported bands.
Preacher_at said:
In fact I considered to search for an update on Polish Oppo site and found an update file for my Reno3 Pro, that was exactly the same as from your link and X2 neo.
So I did the update via Recovery, it ran through and landed with version .28.
It did not change anything on supported bands.
I remember from Sony phones, that bands are defined in NVRAM.
It seems that for all Reno3/X2 variants with 765G the firmware is the same, it is distinguished only by supported bands.
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Can you send the link from this update? So we can install this on PCRM00 via recovery?
XDAnonymus said:
Can you send the link from this update? So we can install this on PCRM00 via recovery?
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I just updated from Polish site to latest version:
https://oppo-pl.custhelp.com/app/software_update_detail/p_name/Reno3+Pro
Now I am on June 5th security level.
The former file from UK site is exactly the same:
https://oppo-uk.custhelp.com/app/software_update_detail/p_name/Find+X2+Neo
Just tried the polish version on the chinese variant of the phone and it gave me an error.
Falsy157 said:
Just tried the polish version on the chinese variant of the phone and it gave me an error.
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I also tried it, dont work :/
I don't know if it's really helpful but i think I've read somewhere on the official website that 5g isn't unlocked yet and would be thru future updates.
I live in the Netherlands and my Reno pro 5g should arrive today.
I'm kind of lost by all the different variants though..
The find x neo is also for sale over here and it seems the same service expert a minor different front cam.
But here in the Netherlands they are both for sale but the neo is much more expensive.
Anyway, I'm excited as this will be my first Oppo.