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Hey guys, as you can see I am new to the whole wide world of android. I have had an iPhone since 2007 and recently dropped my iPhone 4 on the pavement which completely wrecked the screen. I seized the opportunity to buy an android. I got this s2 for 350 on eBay.
Anyway... I have absolutely no idea what I am getting into here. I have watched a ton of videos and still am really lost. (Sadly)
I have this s2 at 4.0.3 and am completely lost when it comes to how to flash a rom. I get we have to use ODIN, Kies and your rom. Am I missing anything else?
I want to use this. galaxys2root. com/att-galaxy-s2/aokp-ics-rom-for-att-galaxy-s2-sgh-i777-best-ics-rom/ << I cannot post links so its just a space in between the .com
I have seen videos where I have to root the thing first- or will this do it for me? I have also seen "roms" that are 400 MB in size but this one I like its 134... Am i missing any files or something? I have done searching but I end up more confused than I started. If someone could give me a push in the right direction that would be a great help!
This is the first phone I am actually confused with... I am sure it is easy, just not for a guy who has had an iPhone and developed for them since then... (I am co founder of whited00r )
Start with the links in the sticky. Be sure to read them all.
You said your phone is already on 4.0.3, which is Ice Cream Sandwich (ICS). That means it's not stock (aka factory settings, out of the box, etc). I'd personally suggest after reading all the links, returning to stock and starting over from scratch as it's the best way to ensure you don't have any problems, especially since you don't really know what the previous owner did to your phone. The links for returning to stock and for flashing custom ROMs are also in the sticky. Please don't read just these links, read at least all of the other links posted there. That's just the starting point mind you, you should probably do more reading after that on stuff in the posts that you don't understand. I know this will take a lot of time, but it's for everyone's benefit that you fully understand everything you do to your phone before you do it.
I'll even help you out with a couple other links I think may be useful which aren't in the sticky.
ROM vs. Kernel
Odex vs. Deodex
Please hit my thanks button if I helped you. Good luck and welcome to the forums!
pcamlin said:
Hey guys, as you can see I am new to the whole wide world of android. I have had an iPhone since 2007 and recently dropped my iPhone 4 on the pavement which completely wrecked the screen. I seized the opportunity to buy an android. I got this s2 for 350 on eBay.
Anyway... I have absolutely no idea what I am getting into here. I have watched a ton of videos and still am really lost. (Sadly)
I have this s2 at 4.0.3 and am completely lost when it comes to how to flash a rom. I get we have to use ODIN, Kies and your rom. Am I missing anything else?
I want to use this. galaxys2root. com/att-galaxy-s2/aokp-ics-rom-for-att-galaxy-s2-sgh-i777-best-ics-rom/ << I cannot post links so its just a space in between the .com
I have seen videos where I have to root the thing first- or will this do it for me? I have also seen "roms" that are 400 MB in size but this one I like its 134... Am i missing any files or something? I have done searching but I end up more confused than I started. If someone could give me a push in the right direction that would be a great help!
This is the first phone I am actually confused with... I am sure it is easy, just not for a guy who has had an iPhone and developed for them since then... (I am co founder of whited00r )
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From now on, don't watch any videos. They tend to be incomplete and usually outdated. Also, don't use any files or methods you find anywhere else besides XDA.
Like karate104 said, read the stickies at the top of the forums; they will tell you everything you need to know in detail. Read this one in particular. It has links to a lot of useful guides.
you also need to be wary of what you read and watch on gs2root. com
when i first started i used the rooting technique with the kernel from there and ended up with no wifi and ended up having to flash entropy's daily driver to recover
as the guys above said, read the stickies here and go over it a million times until it makes sense
flashing can open up loads of features, but you can very easily make your phone unusable (easily fixable once not hard bricked) but better avoid the trouble than finding a fix
Another victim on galaxys2root!
Sigh!
idk how to work my way around here and Im pretty lost so I just started this thread. sorry if it bugs anyone.... I have a galaxy note SGH-i7i7 (att) currently on ICS 4.04 I wan tto find a good clean ROM that runs on at least 4.1.2 and all spen features need to work!. if you can find one with 4.2.2 and all spen features work then thatd be great.. again Im sorry if posting this bothered anyone. im just VERY lost on this web site lol
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1740367
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Honestly, if you're lost navigating a website, take it very slow customizing your phone. Its a lot harder than clicking links with a mouse, and a mistake will be VERY costly.
Don't rush in. Just be a lurker and a reader for a while, at least until you can find your way around and know some basic stuff. Good luck.
I have always found The Unlockr to have very simple and precise instructions. I am also a very visual person so I use YouTube a lot.
Anyway, take your time, root and enjoy and welcome to the asylum!
http://theunlockr.com/2012/12/04/how-to-root-the-att-galaxy-note-i717-running-ice-cream-sandwich/
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Honestly, if you're lost navigating a website, take it very slow customizing your phone. Its a lot harder than clicking links with a mouse, and a mistake will be VERY costly.
Don't rush in. Just be a lurker and a reader for a while, at least until you can find your way around and know some basic stuff. Good luck.
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Im not dumb. I know about rooting a phone installing ROM. overclocking etc.. even if Im not the one who does it.. my stepdad doess, all he told me to do was find a good ROM I like... Its just hard finding my way around here because ill find certain threads; however,they only have few replies, or the thread is discontinued or something and I got a little lost.
mtnz13 said:
Im not dumb. I know about rooting a phone installing ROM. overclocking etc.. even if Im not the one who does it.. my stepdad doess, all he told me to do was find a good ROM I like... Its just hard finding my way around here because ill find certain threads; however,they only have few replies, or the thread is discontinued or something and I got a little lost.
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WOW, "most thread only have a few replies?" ................REALLY?
I think you are looking n the wrong section. as suggested, "Super Everything Thread". you could also look in the Development section. there are threads where I have 100+ posts myself.
I am sure you are not dumb, but you are coming across a little on the lazy side. sounds like you want everyone else to do the work here. you originally posted 3 days ago and haven't found anything yet
common rules here...........
read, read, read
use the search button
help yourself first
good luck
I am a new Xperia Ultra owner and whilst not planning to do any flashing just yet I thought tonight I'd take a quick look at threads discussing steps that would be involved in doing this.
Let me qualify what I'm about to say by stating that I appreciate people on this site who develop tools which allow us to hack our devices so we can make better use of our phones. They are incredibly skilled, gifted and generous with their time. I would love to be able to spend the time learning how to do this but I simply don't have the time. So please don't take what I am about to say as a criticism but more as an observation, considering the effort contributors put into this it would indeed be incredibly foolish of me to criticise anyone here.
I can probably safely say that none of the contributors are also trained technical writers and a fair number do not have English as their first language. Its my first and only language and I often have difficulty getting the meaning across succinctly not to mind getting the spelling right . And I know even for large software houses support documentation is not a priority.
I want to approach hacking my phone with confidence this time round. In the past I've reflashed several phones for myself and friends and simply followed steps and not really understanding completely what the hell I was doing. Lordmanhattan I know I sent you an email regarding a contradiction on your thread. And you very kindly got back to me very quickly.....amazing, thank you. And then there is the "TA partition", WTH is that? I did very briefly google this to find a quick answer but no joy....grrrr (also looked in the XDA Wiki acronyms) I'm sure if I looked hard enough I'd find it. It's mentioned everywhere but nobody seems to be offering an explanation what it is or what it does or why it's important or what it stands for !!!!
Very often I find threads on here describing how to do something hard to follow and this is often for the following reasons:
It could be that there is more than one way to achieve something so its a case of different people offering varied procedures, this can be confusing
A process may be described but then to the newbie the author seems to miss out on a step that to the experienced is obvious
The level of English used leads the reader to scratching their head wondering ...did he/she mean this or that
Threads not being updated or corrected even after feedback
Okay I won't go on.
So I have decided my time might be well spent doing some background research before delving into messing about with my Xperia Z Ultra and saving you guys from having to deal with daft questions from me.
Now does this mean I have to spend time reading through threads and trying to piece it all together to find the best way through and possibly getting the wrong end of the stick or reading superseded posts?
OR
Are there a couple of sites that will get me up to speed understanding the terminology, hardware, memory management, etc for my phone?
I have a feeling it's going to be a bit of both......your suggestions please
Oh, I stumbled across XDA University but got the impression it wasn't being maintained???
Some of the pages I visited....
A New User’s Guide to Android.......unfortunately none of the images for this page loaded
Video guides .................................had flash presentations which didn't load
Ferg8080 said:
I am a new Xperia Ultra owner...
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A good and detailed post, and it's not just the dev's and support that could take note. Some of the people that ask questions really need to read your post and think about what they are trying to say, get help with -- we aren't mind readers either.
I always try and help anew user by using as few TLA as possible in a reply to them. I also try to do the steps as #'d lists with as many steps as possible.
I do think LordManhattan's guide needs a little love as a few things are a little out of date - but it is as comprehensive guide as you could get, and most vagaries are covered in the thread.
TA = trim area, where your unique DRM keys are stored, and god only knows what else.
Thanks for your well written post! First I want to say - like Blueether just did, that we are not mind readers, so we can't possible know people's skill level or what they want to do. That's why I've started to ask them straight up what they want to do and where in the process they are. That way it'll be easier for me to help the other person, and hopefully write a short but complete step by step guide. It won't happen that often, but if I got some time to spare, why not.
My guide is a little out of date now, and I have planned to update it for quite some time, but things are moving so god damn quick around here that even I will get outdated if I take a short break. I recently sent my Ultra in for repairs, and 12 days later when I got it back and ready to get back in the game, a new firmware had been released with a new rooting method. I knew everything one day, and nothing on the other. It's really hard to balance real life and being kept updated at all times. Don't forget that you must be sure about what you know and write when you make a guide, because you don't want to brick people's devices. One slipup and the consequences might be ugly.
There are (of course) one or four ways of doing things around here, and you'll probably get different ways of doing things if you ask me or blueether about rooting or flashing custom ROMs. I guess it's just the way it is. New methods also pop up once in awhile, so some people will adopt these new methods while some other people will stick with the old school method, thus making things a little more complicated for new people who are looking for reliable information.
The TA partition is, like blueether already said, your device's unique DRM keys which makes X-Reality (and other minor things, I guess) work. It's important to make a backup of this partition since you'll lose it when you unlock the bootloader. Why would you unlock the bootloader? You have to unlock it if you want to flash custom ROMs, or if you want to make rooting easier. The problem is that you need to be rooted to back it up, so you'll have to spend some time reading and researching before you start.
Just keep your Ultra stock for now, and just casually read and soak up stuff from different threads around here. Walk around like you do in a new city and check out the locals and see what they do and say. You'll pick up a few things here and there and things will start rolling from there.
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blueether said:
A good and detailed post, and it's not just the dev's and support that could take note. Some of the people that ask questions really need to read your post and think about what they are trying to say, get help with -- we aren't mind readers either.
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LordManhattan said:
a new firmware had been released with a new rooting method. I knew everything one day, and nothing on the other. It's really hard to balance real life and being kept updated at all times. Don't forget that you must be sure about what you know and write when you make a guide, because you don't want to brick people's devices. One slipup and the consequences might be ugly.
some other people will stick with the old school method, thus making things a little more complicated for new people who are looking for reliable information.
Just keep your Ultra stock for now, and just casually read and soak up stuff from different threads around here.
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Yes you can see some people just rush in with questions without giving serious thought to what they want to achieve. I think its people who don't often understand the process properly, haven't thought it through and are following what seems like a straightforward step by step process. Understanding what you are doing requires patience and TIME.
XDA I think is an unrivalled repository of amazing contributions from amazing people on a technology that is constantly evolving. Its also a jungle. One doesn't go into the jungle unprepared
Thanks for the fantastic advice guys and I will heed but I can't promise I might come out with some corkers
One last thing, how on earth do you find the time to lead a normal life? You obviously love what you are doing. It might be easy to assume everyone who contributes here is in IT. I imagine there are plumbers, electricians, mechanics, office workers, retired folk.....
Hello,
I recently got a HDX 7" and had it rolledback to 13.3.2.7 and got it rooted and safestraped with a backup of stock on my pc and a image i am messing around with.
Whoever i would like to flash normal android on,my question is how do i do that and what are the compatibility issues and risks i face if i flash it with safestrap.
Thanks in advance
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Davengerr said:
Hello,
I recently got a HDX 7" and had it rolledback to 13.3.2.7 and got it rooted and safestraped with a backup of stock on my pc and a image i am messing around with.
Whoever i would like to flash normal android on,my question is how do i do that and what are the compatibility issues and risks i face if i flash it with safestrap.
Thanks in advance
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wow sorry bud but that's just way too much information to just drag over here to your thread it all depends on if you're capable of doing the job correctlyI would highly recommend going over to the development section and just start reading that is the only way you are going to know for sure is 250 peoples experiences not just one that comes over here to your thread and decides to give you a quick easy information. It is what it is.everything you dreamed of knowing about this device is here if you're willing to look for it...there are a bunch of very very recent development items that you're going to want to do your own homework on anyway not just one guy that thinks he knows it all come over here and help you screw up your device...good luck and enjoy your new Kindle
to sum it up there are risks with everything depending on ability to do proper research, comprehension level and ability to follow directions. .hell for some wiping their ass and tying their shoes have more risk than safestrap does when used properly.
@jimyv : I look around some similar thread, I can see many of your comment, you always typed many many things, but mostly no useful information for newbie point of view, even an useful link.
If you can not help them, just get out and no need to comment.
Sorry, but it is a little bit annoyed here.
lupin87 said:
@jimyv : I look around some similar thread, I can see many of your comment, you always typed many many things, but mostly no useful information for newbie point of view, even an useful link.
If you can not help them, just get out and no need to comment.
Sorry, but it is a little bit annoyed here.
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well I'm sorry that you haven't found many of my comments useful obviously you haven't read very many of them but obviously some of my more aggravated ones have caught your attention you're welcome to look at my profile and check out my activity for the last year and a half I helped over a dozen people fix their bricked devices and contributed and many many helpful links which resulted in nothing but people trolling and being lazy and lazier and lazier I am simply trying to get people to do as I did and research and find their own information before adding additional clutter tothe forums...it's fine to be a noob everybody has been a noob at one time. And when you spend enough time here and with enough devices you will figure out that you just cannot help lazy people that are unwilling to find their own research at least to an extent. You're welcome to spend hundreds of hours of your time running around the forums cutting and pasting links to help the lazy ones but soon you will figure out that's all you are doing is enabling a growing problem. in other words the more I have helped them the less they actually knew orlearn because of not doing something the long way.
as some would say anything worth having is worth earning it yourself for the hard work / research. I noticed that most of the folks that do exactly these kinds of threads all of a sudden think they know everything. And then brick because they don't know near as much as I they need to because somebody came over to their one thread and gave them a little information or a couple of links. that they only partially read anyway. And then they are starting another thread. Titled PLEASE HELP I BRICKED MY DEVICE!!! identical to 30 threads that are dealing with the identical situations and .I have personally been up for several hours at a timetrying to help these types of people and they just simply cannot follow directions. And or most the time trying to translate it and screw it up in the translation somehow and then run away and start another thread because they still cannot get it right no matter how many people are trying to help them or how many links you give them. It's a waste of resources and everybody's time.it's just unbelievable to me that all this information is here already if they would just go and find them. they just choose not to. or believe they do not have the time to read them and expect special treatment and or catered to for some reason...I'm sorry I made the time and I'm a busy man and it seems disrespectful to me for anybody else to think they deserve different treatment
so to sum it up you are welcome to spend even half as much time in these forums researching reading and dragging pasting and copying links and see if you don't get a little bitter when you like to come here and find stuff yourself and its all cluttered up with repetition and threads starting with a question that was answered in the thread that was right below theirs READ THE THREADS and learn from other peoples experiences. Then you will adequately realize the risk that you are taking. You are not getting enough information when you start one of these threads to go doing the modifications that people are doing. All the information is here .
that's annoying it happens way too often and a lot more often than my snappy comments..
i vote @jimyv for moderator
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aaronkatrini said:
i vote @jimyv for moderator
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glad somebody still has a sense of humor lol I know from experience you can tend to get a little jaded hanging around here too much. I can't help but lurk though..I do own three HDX devices and development has been pretty much a dead fish.( until very recently I must say very cheesy) Compared to the other 15 devices that I maintain for myself and family. As a full-time mechanic and father I spend way too much time in here I know. and to those that have been insultedby what I have had to say I am probably speaking directly to you ,others probably just get a kick from me watching get aggravated. And many more out there that are silent know exactly what I am speaking of and refuse to help anybody anymore because said issues (much of the true talent) unfortunately,and that is the true loss.
This phone is fairly new, i want to root it but i dont know any method that work yet. Is there any developers willing to make a custom recovery for this? Like twrp?
LG Stylo 5 Root availability one click ??
Is root available for the LG Stylo 5 is so full of Boost bloat and Google gunk it barely works.
How-to is multiple times explained on the WEB. GIYF ...
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How-to is multiple times explained on the WEB. GIYF ...
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Technically, this is the web?.
I don't understand why some people seem to get upset when others make topics asking questions. It's not usually general knowledge for most people.
I can't tell you what a bootloader is but I sure as hell can spend all day complaining about them, lol. Literally everyone I know personally has never heard the term.
I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but what's wrong with people making topics before exhausting every other possibility to find the answer. Nothing wrong with conversation and who knows what random and unexpected things you could learn.
Hey, sorry I'm getting the breaks done on my car at the moment. I'm writing this instead of reading old magazines, lol
Chances are, we won't see this phone rooted anytime soon. especially now that the Stylo 6 has arrived. Locked Bootloaders are not your friend if you root phones. Mostly DEVs now only concentrate on the Flagship phones...
...Follow the $$$$ trail...
I sure miss the good old days...LoL 2013-2017 were my favorite years
Gregbmil1 said:
Technically, this is the web?.
I don't understand why some people seem to get upset when others make topics asking questions. It's not usually general knowledge for most people.
I can't tell you what a bootloader is but I sure as hell can spend all day complaining about them, lol. Literally everyone I know personally has never heard the term.
I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but what's wrong with people making topics before exhausting every other possibility to find the answer. Nothing wrong with conversation and who knows what random and unexpected things you could learn.
Hey, sorry I'm getting the breaks done on my car at the moment. I'm writing this instead of reading old magazines, lol
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I never was upset.
My POV:
It's neither the task of anyone here to re-publish (excerpts of ) articles simply created by "copy & paste", nor to do a related Google search and then list the links found, nor to tell the questioner that he/she is completely wrong that he/she is totally confusing things - the latter may be considered as being rude.
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Wondering why you didn't assist OP, instead of posting that garbage?
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I never was upset.
My POV:
It's neither the task of anyone here to re-publish (excerpts of ) articles simply created by "copy & paste", nor to do a related Google search and then list the links found, nor to tell the questioner that he/she is completely wrong that he/she is totally confusing things - the latter may be considered as being rude.
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Wondering why you didn't assist OP, instead of posting that garbage?
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Posting "Garbage" ? Nah....that's good stuff right there. As for helping OP, your right. I was off topic, but really it's no big deal. Xda is not flooded with pointless threads. I know they prevent pointless posts and topics.....but a few never hurt as long as it's Android related.
OP, it's a shame but don't get your hopes up for ever rooting the Stylo 5 (Damn Bootloaders!). There is still adb though. I bet it's not long before that is gone to. You can get rid of bloatware and do some other cool stuff with it. If you need help with getting it running on a PC you can simply search it on Xda, or even pm me.
But for the love of God and all that is Holy!.......Do not make a thread asking about it!?.
I don't even bother using Google when it comes to Android. The good people on Xda are the only ones I know will be helpful and honest.....That and most likely Google would just get me here anyways, lol.
Again, sorry. I don't mean to be a jerk if I sounded like one at anytime in this novel. I didn't intend to write so much when I started, lol it seems to happen a lot though. There ya go some more good stuff.
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Hi,
Sadly after several hours' search, GInMF. Yes, I found several "Root your LG Stylo 5" with 25 different methods posts, NONE of which seem to work. I think most of them are thinly disguised ways to get gullible people to part with their money. The problem that I mostly encountered is, somewhere along the line, they just say "install TWRP recovery"...ignoring the fact that this phone model DOES NOT have one on the TWRP device page. So, the specific question, again, becomes: is there any way to root this phone, even if I'm happy with the stock image?. If any of the XDA experts on this thread know of one, PLEASE point me to it. If there isn't one, pls state that so I can put this effort to rest, either way. Thank you!
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Posting "Garbage" ? Nah....that's good stuff right there. As for helping OP, your right. I was off topic, but really it's no big deal. Xda is not flooded with pointless threads. I know they prevent pointless posts and topics.....but a few never hurt as long as it's Android related.
OP, it's a shame but don't get your hopes up for ever rooting the Stylo 5 (Damn Bootloaders!). There is still adb though. I bet it's not long before that is gone to. You can get rid of bloatware and do some other cool stuff with it. If you need help with getting it running on a PC you can simply search it on Xda, or even pm me.
But for the love of God and all that is Holy!.......Do not make a thread asking about it!?.
I don't even bother using Google when it comes to Android. The good people on Xda are the only ones I know will be helpful and honest.....That and most likely Google would just get me here anyways, lol.
Again, sorry. I don't mean to be a jerk if I sounded like one at anytime in this novel. I didn't intend to write so much when I started, lol it seems to happen a lot though. There ya go some more good stuff.
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bud ive been trying to find a way for a while now. i was 6 months into it before asking and still at it. not giving up hope that someone might find a way. im no noob at rooting, but it seems the newer phones are harder and harder to root.
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I sure miss the good old days...LoL 2013-2017 were my favorite years
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I remember when the original Atrix dropped first phone with a dual cpre processor. I was a kid in a candy shot holy he'll. The yesrs devs spent on that phone even after th3 other flags came out was astonishing. Miss the clunky ****er.
not only that, but I have tried some of the other websites ... Bricks now I only use XDA for my questions like this... Currently I am shopping for a new phone, I have the Stylo 3 still but it's on its last leg.
It's been a good time but damn it I Was hoping to get a Stylo 7
Gregbmil1 said:
Technically, this is the web?.
I don't understand why some people seem to get upset when others make topics asking questions. It's not usually general knowledge for most people.
I can't tell you what a bootloader is but I sure as hell can spend all day complaining about them, lol. Literally everyone I know personally has never heard the term.
I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but what's wrong with people making topics before exhausting every other possibility to find the answer. Nothing wrong with conversation and who knows what random and unexpected things you could learn.
Hey, sorry I'm getting the breaks done on my car at the moment. I'm writing this instead of reading old magazines, lol
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There's no real geniune root for the LG Stylo 5 as i used to have the phone and tried looking for a root for it
Nikonor79 said:
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Hi,
Sadly after several hours' search, GInMF. Yes, I found several "Root your LG Stylo 5" with 25 different methods posts, NONE of which seem to work. I think most of them are thinly disguised ways to get gullible people to part with their money. The problem that I mostly encountered is, somewhere along the line, they just say "install TWRP recovery"...ignoring the fact that this phone model DOES NOT have one on the TWRP device page. So, the specific question, again, becomes: is there any way to root this phone, even if I'm happy with the stock image?. If any of the XDA experts on this thread know of one, PLEASE point me to it. If there isn't one, pls state that so I can put this effort to rest, either way. Thank you!
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Technically there is a TWRP image for LG Stylo 5, however it should be noted that it is an unofficial TWRP image and should be done with the utmost delicacy. As to the whole rooting your phone thing, of course you can. Let me be a little more specific on that though. You cannot root an android if it's newer than 6 months (sadly for all you "tech nerds/junkies" you are all wrong when it comes to whether or not you can root certain phones). I know this for a fact. However I can tell you one thing for absolute sureness. I wouldn't waste the time or money trying to root an LG Stylo 5 when you can get cheaper phones (that run Android 11 and higher) at Walmart. And just so everyone knows, there's no need to root a phone with Android 11 and higher because of the fact that you can use LADB to uninstall system applications and bloat ware. But let me warn you as I've come across this myself and done it as well, but there are certain brands like Alcatel that won't allow you to uninstall the bloat ware, but you can still disable it using ADB commands. Lastly, if you get a phone with Android 11 and higher, DO NOT UNINSTALL anything with com.android, com.sec.android, or anything along those lines because it WILL cause the phone to go into a permanent boot loop at which you'll have to factory reset the phone using the recovery mode.