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Not sure if this is the correct forum to post this. I have searched the web and this forum and only found partial answers so please excuse me if this has been discussed. If so a reply with the link would be very helpful.
With AMD and Intel both producing low powered x86 chips, especially AMDs C-50 which incorporates the Radeon HD graphics processor on the same chip, I was wondering if there are any limitations for hardware manufacturers to use these kind of chips on Tablets running Android.
I know currently Google does not have an x86 port of their own, but are there any particular reasons that would stop them if the chips were comparable in power usage and have faster performance? What would be some drawbacks? Would all the apps run fine on the x86 architecture or would each app need to be recompiled to run on these devices?
I guess what I'm really asking is with your expertise do you see x86 processors as a future of Android tablet computing?
Thanks in advance for all the input.
In theory, they'd just have to re-write the bytecode interpreter on the Dalvik-VM (Assuming it works like Sun's Java VM) Everything you run on your android is on a virtual machine, meaning it has the capability of being cross platform. So yes. It's very possible.
http://www.androidx86.org have you checked this site out??
1st ICS build for virtual machines
Just check out this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19824180
Given the choice with all other things being equal, I'd take a modern ARM over an X86 chip, unless I'm going to run Windows ware. I've used x86 for like almost 20 out of nearly 23.5 years, and wouldn't trust an X86 Android tablet, now that I've dug into my TF .
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Given the choice with all other things being equal, I'd take a modern ARM over an X86 chip, unless I'm going to run Windows ware. I've used x86 for like almost 20 out of nearly 23.5 years, and wouldn't trust an X86 Android tablet, now that I've dug into my TF .
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Wouldnt trust it for what reason?
Windows 8 will be released with an x86 and ARM version.
The Android OS itself runs very smoothly on x86, I have been using a small hp thinclient t5565 as a debug machine instead of my phone or a virtual machine for 2 weeks now and it performs admirably. Granted I cant play HD games on it, but thats what I have the Enjoy 7 tablet for. android-x86 is just brilliant, in many cases the generic froyo and gingerbread builds breathe new life into old rusty machines, making them very useful once more. The only thing missing, is better generic hardware support for ethernet and various 3D display devices. I am currently looking at an option of using android-x86 as a swop and go solution, since my test machine runs the installed system completely from a USB thumb drive. Which means if it breaks, pull the stick out, pop in another machine and you are back to work. Perfect solution for a POS terminal, library internet access machine or even something to keep the kids out of your hair.
ashmem in Android x86
I developed a simple shared memory IPC in Linux already and I would also like to do it in Android x86.
Does anyone knows on how to do this(shared memory or should I call it "ashmem"?) ?
I really need your help. I'm still a beginner in Android x86, so I hope you can give a step-by-step guide.
For now this post is primarily a feeler to see if there are any other developers that want to work on dual booting Android and a Linux distribution. My Nexus 10 has shipped but has not yet arrived so I've not done any work on it yet.
The Samsung Chromebook is able to run Ubuntu without issues and it has the same SoC. Hopefully, the Nexus 10 kernel will be similar and can easily use the Linux GPU blobs without a lot of work.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=samsung_chrome_a15&num=1
The Nexus 10's fast CPU in combination with a keyboard case should result in a relatively good experience when running a traditional Linux distribution with KDE Plasma Active or the like.
I'm sure its possible to run as a chroot, and vnc in, but if I could actually use the accelerated GPU, I'd hook up a mouse and keyboard with OTG, it'd be a high res laptop replacement.
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I am very interested in this. I've got F17 and Gentoo running on my ARM Chromebook (and I have a N10).
What are you thinking for multiboot control, moboot?
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I'm sure its possible to run as a chroot, and vnc in, but if I could actually use the accelerated GPU, I'd hook up a mouse and keyboard with OTG, it'd be a high res laptop replacement.
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Chroot isn't really what I'm wanting either. Hoping to eventually get close to or full hardware support natively.
I am very interested in this. I've got F17 and Gentoo running on my ARM Chromebook (and I have a N10).
What are you thinking for multiboot control, moboot?
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Probably not moboot. LittleKernel was used as a base for moboot which has only really been used on Qualcomm architectures. This, of course, made it perfectly suited for us to use on the HP TouchPad. I'm not sure it would be worth the work required to port it to the Nexus 10.
That said, I don't think a multi booting bootloader is something we need to worry about right now. We can work with simply fastboot to load a different kernel and ramdisk while we work on native Linux. The bootloader can be worked on later after we get a better idea of what we are up against.
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Chroot isn't really what I'm wanting either. Hoping to eventually get close to or full hardware support natively.
Probably not moboot. LittleKernel was used as a base for moboot which has only really been used on Qualcomm architectures. This, of course, made it perfectly suited for us to use on the HP TouchPad. I'm not sure it would be worth the work required to port it to the Nexus 10.
That said, I don't think a multi booting bootloader is something we need to worry about right now. We can work with simply fastboot to load a different kernel and ramdisk while we work on native Linux. The bootloader can be worked on later after we get a better idea of what we are up against.
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I'm no developer. But as a Ubuntu user I would love to see you bring this to us! I'd be happy to test anything related.
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That said, I don't think a multi booting bootloader is something we need to worry about right now. We can work with simply fastboot to load a different kernel and ramdisk while we work on native Linux. The bootloader can be worked on later after we get a better idea of what we are up against.
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Heh, this is the exact conclusion we came to on the Open webOS project for the gnex.
Sounds good to me.
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For now this post is primarily a feeler to see if there are any other developers that want to work on dual booting Android and a Linux distribution. My Nexus 10 has shipped but has not yet arrived so I've not done any work on it yet.
The Samsung Chromebook is able to run Ubuntu without issues and it has the same SoC. Hopefully, the Nexus 10 kernel will be similar and can easily use the Linux GPU blobs without a lot of work.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=samsung_chrome_a15&num=1
The Nexus 10's fast CPU in combination with a keyboard case should result in a relatively good experience when running a traditional Linux distribution with KDE Plasma Active or the like.
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(1) Thanks for the initative! I'm still enjoying your work with the Nook Color, and I really look forward to a native port of ubuntu on the N10.
(2) I'm not a developer but I would be delighted to help out with testing etc.
(3) I know that development has yet to begin, but do you envison being able to use N10 both (ie. some sort of dualboot?) as an android device and as a light laptop -- latex, light C coding? And if so, would 16g be enough or would it need 32g to be useable (as opposed to just playing around....)? I'm to order the N10 and I have a limited budget; your advice on this is most appreciative.
Thanks!
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...would 16g be enough or would it need 32g
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http://www.indiegogo.com/pengpod
Pengpod1000 has 8GB for dual boot.
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In terms of space, Windows 8 requirements on ARM is the same 4 - 5 GB.
It is interesting that Exynos 5 dual core supports Direct X11 which indicates it was designed to also target Windows.
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(1) Thanks for the initative! I'm still enjoying your work with the Nook Color, and I really look forward to a native port of ubuntu on the N10.
(2) I'm not a developer but I would be delighted to help out with testing etc.
(3) I know that development has yet to begin, but do you envison being able to use N10 both (ie. some sort of dualboot?) as an android device and as a light laptop -- latex, light C coding? And if so, would 16g be enough or would it need 32g to be useable (as opposed to just playing around....)? I'm to order the N10 and I have a limited budget; your advice on this is most appreciative.
Thanks!
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I definitely want to dual boot eventually. 16GB will be enough but will get cramped quickly if you store a few videos and music.
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I would also like to help beta testing. Ive also got an idea of programming but i think i would just slow down the production...
I would support this too.
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is there any way to get this
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation
running in dualboot on the nexus 10?
Maybe a bootmenu like on gokhan's siyah kernel on the SIII ?
I just chroot-installed lubuntu 12.04 on my N10, using http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585009 This is just for curiosity's sake, to see what ubuntu is like on the N10, both in terms of usage/GUI and in terms of performance (knowing full well that performance will take a big hit under chroot/VNC). Here my little report, in case it would be of use as a reference for developing/running linux natively on the N10.
In short: lubuntu is almost usable. Graphics is sluggish (as expected?); as you move xterm across the screen you actually see a series of rectangles and it takes a few seconds for the DE to clean it up. Once you're inside the xterm then the system seems fairly responsive. I was able to apt-get install latex and libreoffice (!) and both work. Curiously scp does not work (ssh does) and I didn't spend much time investigating scp. I can't install dropbox.
I set the resolution of the VNC viewer to be 2560x1500 (leaving room for the android buttons). That was a mistake; menu/window frames/scroll bars etc are TINY. I should have used a smaller resolution and then pinch-zoom. Suggestion for developer: Make everything bigger.
According to top, just running the VNC viewer takes 110-120% of the CPU. That means if we can run linux naively we should expect much better performance.
Finally, I installed "System Profiler & Benchmark". Here's the output of the benchmark for the N10 vs that of an N270 atom netbook with 1G of ram and my Quad Core Q9400 @ 2.66GHz (for all benchmarks below except for cryptohash: a smaller number is better):
CPU Blowfish
Q9400 2003 MHz 3.283
N10 Unknown MHz 24.159
netbook 1600MHz 16.305 <-- not typo
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1.50GHz (null) 26.1876862
PowerPC 740/750 (280.00MHz) (null) 172.816713
CPU CryptoHash
Q9400 356.041
N10 67.604
netbook 57.059
CPU Fibonacci
Q9400 3.021
N10 5.861
netbook 8.358
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 8.1375674
PowerPC 740/750 58.07682
CPU N-Queens
Q9400 17.614
N10 15.616 <-- not typo
netbook 17.852
FPU FFT
Q9400 1.560
N10 13.498
netbook 17.646
FPU Raytracing
Q9400 19.257
N10 20.286
netbook 33.042
Intel (R) Celeron (R) M processor 40.8816714
PowerPC 740/750 161.312647
I would love to see a Linux distribution running on the Nexus 10.
My preferred one is Mer and the user interface of my choice is Plasma Active (this would later allow a port of Sailfish OS, if a tablet UI gets available).
Is anybody else interested in accomplishing this port?
My previous experience is a proof-of-concept port of MeeGo/Mer to the HTC Desire HD:
So is there any plans on someone trying to get this on the N10?
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So is there any plans on someone trying to get this on the N10?
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Just got my Nexus 10 and I'll definitely look into this - although some help wouldn't be bad.
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I just chroot-installed lubuntu 12.04 on my N10, using http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585009 This is just for curiosity's sake, to see what ubuntu is like on the N10, both in terms of usage/GUI and in terms of performance (knowing full well that performance will take a big hit under chroot/VNC). Here my little report, in case it would be of use as a reference for developing/running linux natively on the N10.
In short: lubuntu is almost usable. Graphics is sluggish (as expected?); as you move xterm across the screen you actually see a series of rectangles and it takes a few seconds for the DE to clean it up. Once you're inside the xterm then the system seems fairly responsive. I was able to apt-get install latex and libreoffice (!) and both work. Curiously scp does not work (ssh does) and I didn't spend much time investigating scp. I can't install dropbox.
I set the resolution of the VNC viewer to be 2560x1500 (leaving room for the android buttons). That was a mistake; menu/window frames/scroll bars etc are TINY. I should have used a smaller resolution and then pinch-zoom. Suggestion for developer: Make everything bigger.
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I've got a Debian chroot running on mine until we get a proper dual-boot solution using a slightly modified from of this script: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328742
Running LXDE, its definitely usable for text heavy stuff like office. While the visuals would be a little muddy, I'd recommend running at 1280x752. That's a perfect fit while leaving room for the buttons, and things are large enough that you could realistically use it. If you wanted to run at full res, use 2560x1504.
If you're using a bluetooth mouse with yours, I highly recommend using Jump Desktop as your VNC viewer. Its the only one I know of that supports right clicks. The only drawback is you cant run it at full resolution unless you lower the color depth, it crashes immediately otherwise.
I would love to see this happen!
I'm taking my first programming classes this semester, and I'd love to see Ubuntu come to the N10. That would be pretty dang sweet. :cyclops:
I can't see any framebuffer output (enabled VT and FB in .config) and I really don't know why.. Nothing suspicious in /proc/last_kmsg after reboot (it just hangs at some point, watchdog reboots)
Will take some time to debug this odd behaviour (maybe anybody has some clues what could have gone wrong?)
Hello Guys,
I have bought a Dell Latitude t02g Table. The specs looks great - Windows 7 Pro - 1.5ghz atom processor, 2 GB Ram, 64GB SSD.
I think the specs are great but its just too damn sluggish when i run facebook or any flash games on it. very unresponsive on normal browsing.
I think this tablet can be great on Google Android x86 platform but After doing a lot of research - I see that people have installed LUBUNTU on it or windows 8 on it and are in a compromised situation. Where Windows 8 has blue screens and etc and moving on Lubuntu, has limited the functionality of he hardware graphics and rotations.
So much money paid for a device that promises a lot and so much disappointment .
I just wish if we could have a forum for this device where the XDA Team can make something super for this device - maybe an android port over that fully works and makes teh tablet smooth like other tablets.
Do you think there is something already out there that has fixed the tablet and makes it shine like a star as advertised? or will there be further enhancements on this and i can wait for it?
Or should i just sell it off for literally peanuts and forget about it
Any help/ hints would be great.
Thanks
AJ
delldell latitude 10 st2
I also wanted to know if for the dell latitude 10 st2 there was solution?
Try the latest windows. That's what I did. To make good use out of it. I installed Kodi n hooked it up to my TV via HDMI worked well. N then sold after a few weeks. Let me know how it goes
There's a fork of android for x86 architecture (http://www.android-x86.org/ ). Some year or two ago I tried few of provided builds but with mixed success. The issues is that bundled drivers are either generic and performance is bad, or different builds have different modules working ( like WiFi but no sound or sound but no WiFi)
It's not that difficult to get two kernel .config files from two most "working" builds and merge them together and build a new kernel, but the process itself is very time consuming (you have to compare files option by option manually, automerge is not an option in this case)
Builds were tegav2, asus_laptop and eeepc
Looks like http://www.android-x86.org/ project moved quite far since that time so maybe you want to give it a try. It's rather brick-safe and you can always go back to Windows/Linux.
Speaking of which, right now my ST has Win10 installed, but performance is bad. I'm thinking of installing clean ubuntu (from Minimal CD) with i3 WM to get maximum out of that hardware. On other laptop with similar specs such setup looks very promising
The 32 bit install of Remix OS went perfect, got Google Play and Kodi, and everything elserunning super smooth, on an all-in-one Hp Touchsmart 300-1003, but I cannot figure out how to get the touchscreen to work. Other than that, there is no problem whatsoever with my dualboot WIN 7, on my HP, or my ASUS EEE 1001px laptop, or my Gigabyte G1 A88X Sniper with Amd A8-6600k, and R7 270x. All 3 systems do everything perfectly. If someone could figure out how I can get my touchscreen to work just fine, I might even just single boot my hp with Remix, for ****s and giggles...
Thanks for the fun toy/os to **** with, and thanks for the root also. I ****ing love this site and all of the hard work the devs put into something that is ultimately so dumb. Thanks guys!
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The 32 bit install of Remix OS went perfect, got Google Play and Kodi, and everything elserunning super smooth, on an all-in-one Hp Touchsmart 300-1003, but I cannot figure out how to get the touchscreen to work. Other than that, there is no problem whatsoever with my dualboot WIN 7, on my HP, or my ASUS EEE 1001px laptop, or my Gigabyte G1 A88X Sniper with Amd A8-6600k, and R7 270x. All 3 systems do everything perfectly. If someone could figure out how I can get my touchscreen to work just fine, I might even just single boot my hp with Remix, for ****s and giggles...
Thanks for the fun toy/os to **** with, and thanks for the root also. I ****ing love this site and all of the hard work the devs put into something that is ultimately so dumb. Thanks guys!
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Hey, it's not stupid, it's just not even close to fulfill it's potential.
Lucairian said:
The 32 bit install of Remix OS went perfect, got Google Play and Kodi, and everything elserunning super smooth, on an all-in-one Hp Touchsmart 300-1003, but I cannot figure out how to get the touchscreen to work. Other than that, there is no problem whatsoever with my dualboot WIN 7, on my HP, or my ASUS EEE 1001px laptop, or my Gigabyte G1 A88X Sniper with Amd A8-6600k, and R7 270x. All 3 systems do everything perfectly. If someone could figure out how I can get my touchscreen to work just fine, I might even just single boot my hp with Remix, for ****s and giggles...
Thanks for the fun toy/os to **** with, and thanks for the root also. I ****ing love this site and all of the hard work the devs put into something that is ultimately so dumb. Thanks guys!
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First think I'd do is check if it's simply 'stuck': press ALT&F1 and enter rmmod i2c_hid && modprobe i2c_hid
Failing that, if you want to potentially get touchscreen to work; what I'd suggest is try booting a linux live cd and see if that supports your touchscreen. If it does post the output of lsmod, lspci and lsusb.
Personally I think Jide should create/suggest a small linux build with open-sourced drivers only (perhaps an ARCH build) - for end users to try on there system to see if there issue is due to no linux/open source support.
When I click the mirror downloads button I get a "This site can't be reached" error. I can't use the torrent download link where I am.
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When I click the mirror downloads button I get a "This site can't be reached" error. I can't use the torrent download link where I am.
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The reason is because Jide has left the consumer market, and had completely stopped supporting their consumer products.
Now they only work with enterprises.
Try Phoenix OS instead.
Download torrent.
moriel5 said:
The reason is because Jide has left the consumer market, and had completely stopped supporting their consumer products.
Now they only work with enterprises.
Try Phoenix OS instead.
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How does Phoenix compare with Remix? Will it work on a TW700 tablet? I have been trying for over a week to load Remix 3.0 with zero success
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Shehzada said:
How does Phoenix compare with Remix? Will it work on a TW700 tablet? I have been trying for over a week to load Remix 3.0 with zero success
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To say the truth, I had not gotten the chance to check Phoenix OS lately.
However, since you have a BayTrail CPU (those did not get much supportĺ I think that you're better off with the Android-X86 LOS or standard Linux (I highly recommend Solus, and the GNOME 3 UI has great support for touch displays), and even then, you will need to compile some of the drivers yourself (such as the touch driver for the screen, until you do so, you will absolutely have to connect a mouse and keyboard).
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To say the truth, I had not gotten the chance to check Phoenix OS lately.
However, since you have a BayTrail CPU (those did not get much supportĺ I think that you're better off with the Android-X86 LOS or standard Linux (I highly recommend Solus, and the GNOME 3 UI has great support for touch displays), and even then, you will need to compile some of the drivers yourself (such as the touch driver for the screen, until you do so, you will absolutely have to connect a mouse and keyboard).
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Thank you so much. I am checking your recommendations as i type this.
My other problem is the 1GB Ram. Which one of those you think will work best.
I am planning on connecting it via HDMI to my TV and running just 1 android app (hmdi audio/video is all i need). I don't care about touchscreen support.
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Thank you so much. I am checking your recommendations as i type this.
My other problem is the 1GB Ram. Which one of those you think will work best.
I am planning on connecting it via HDMI to my TV and running just 1 android app (hmdi audio/video is all i need). I don't care about touchscreen support.
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With only 1 GB of RAM, I highly recommend using Android-x86's LOS 15.1 (you will still need to compile the touch driver for the screen, and probably other drivers as well, including audio and HDMI.
Thanks...will let u know how it goes.
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You were right. I wasn't able to find LOS 15.1 but did boot 14.1 and though it did reboot on its own twice, it did finally load. It was however very slow.
I tried it on the TW801 which has 2GB Ram and it was more fluid. Touchscreen did work and so did Wifi. Hdmi audio was the bummer.
I have officially given up installing android on the TW700.....I don't think tje tablet is capable of running it well and even if it did.... HDMI audio will be a lost cause.
Thanks for your help....i appreciate it and at least I did finally got to see android on it.
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You were right. I wasn't able to find LOS 15.1 but did boot 14.1 and though it did reboot on its own twice, it did finally load. It was however very slow.
I tried it on the TW801 which has 2GB Ram and it was more fluid. Touchscreen did work and so did Wifi. Hdmi audio was the bummer.
I have officially given up installing android on the TW700.....I don't think tje tablet is capable of running it well and even if it did.... HDMI audio will be a lost cause.
Thanks for your help....i appreciate it and at least I did finally got to see android on it.
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Wait, how about you try running a standard Linux distribution on it?
You may still need to compile the drivers, however there is a higher chance that things will work properly after running updates and rebooting without any compilations.
I tried ubuntu live...slow on the 700 better on the 801. I ordered an Android box..... should receive it today. Lol
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I tried ubuntu live...slow on the 700 better on the 801. I ordered an Android box..... should receive it today. Lol
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However did touch work properly?
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However did touch work properly?
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Touch did not work.
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Touch did not work.
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And this was Ubuntu 18.04, correct?
I tried 16.04.4 64 bit
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I tried 16.04.4 64 bit
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Why such an old version?
18.04 has a much newer kernel (I think 4.14 or 4.15), and as such, has a much higher chance of working properly with your hardware (you may still need to compile drivers, however it's not too hard when people have already prepared the code and instructions for you), plus, it uses GNOME rather than Unity (which is discontinued by Canonical), which is at version 3.28, a release that brought many optimizations to system resources, so it should run more smoothly.
Also, when installed, it'll be be much faster, since the internal NAND is much faster than a USB drive, partly because of the fact that it ustilizes the SATA protocol, rather than the USB protocol, and partly because the chip is just way faster.
I thought that my limitation is the poor processor and the RAM. If I had a celeron it would fly.
These tablets are only good for the operating system they came with from the factory.
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I thought that my limitation is the poor processor and the RAM. If I had a celeron it would fly.
These tablets are only good for the operating system they came with from the factory.
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While an Atom processor is certainly no fun (I have an old Dell Inspiron mini 1018, so I know how it feels), it can be faster than you think.
That old laptop (it was also my first laptop) has a single core Atom CPU, from the N series (the N455), and I was running it with Windows 7.
While it does not have an OS right now (I accidentally broke the keyboard connector on the motherboard while testing RAM sticks for work (I volunteered to do this), and salvaged the hard drive for my desktop (I have 12 hard drives, and 10 trays, 2 of which are are for 2.5" drives. The hard drives were all, save for one, which was bought second hand together with the computer (the case was bought seperately), salvaged from old PCs that people had thrown away), it runs alright on Ubuntu (and slightly better on Solus), however you have a quad-core Atom, which also generates less heat (so less throttling), so it will run much better.
I am not saying that the OS will fly, after all, it does not have a core i3 CPU, however it will outperform your expectation.
Thanks. Today I can't wait to get home to the Android box being delivered.
When I get some time....i will try to load 18.04 and report back. Thanks again.
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