V30 or Pixel - LG V30 Questions & Answers

So far they look about even in hardware specs and while the US998 model will likely feature an unlockable bootloader, is it worth it compared to the Pixel's dev support?

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enginuity2 said:
So far they look about even in hardware specs and while the US998 model will likely feature an unlockable bootloader is it worth it compared to the Pixel's dev support?
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Pixel XL 2017 won't have headset jack, reportedly. Even though Google made fun of Apple for dropping theirs, and even though LG can do IP68 WITH a headset jack while Apple (so far, with iPhone 7) can only do IP67 without one.
There's really NO reason to drop the headset jack. You STILL have Bluetooth -- even with headset jack -- if you want to use ear pods or whatever. It's not either/or. Just like Qi wireless charging. I use Qi wireless when I can, but yeah sometimes I plug in. It's nice to have both options.

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If dev support is you number one priority Pixel will always be the better choice. However you seem to be loosing so many features by going with the Pixel.

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Depends what's important to you.
Audio: HiFi audio and headphone jack important then the V30 is the only real option
Camera: Manual mode, features and wide angle or a likely excellent auto camera?
Storage: Expandable storage yes or no.
Look and design: I think the V30 is a nce looking device the Pixel not 100% sure yet.
OS: Is stock android and faster update important to you? Same with dev support.
I don't think it that hard once you think about what's important to you. For me it's the V30 over the pixel all day.

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Don't forget the Huawei mate 10, announced 16th Oct

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gsw5700 said:
Don't forget the Huawei mate 10, announced 16th Oct
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Won't have Qi wireless charging, I would bet.
Probably no quad DAC either.
Therefore, no thanks.

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Will the v30 get an unlockable bootloader?

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harpin14789 said:
Will the v30 get an unlockable bootloader?
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Yes, the U.S. and European carrier unlocked versions will be eligible for official LG bootloader unlock. REAL bootloader unlock, not the "faux" bootloader unlock the T-mobile LG G6 got. Six months later there's still no root nor TWRP nor custom ROMs that can be flashed on T-mobile LG G6, while there's tons of dev work on the U.S. and European "carrier unlocked" LG G, which got REAL bootloader unlock.
You can check the list here and it will be updated when the LG V30 carrier unlocked versions are released.
LG Developer - Unlock Bootloader -Supported Devices
http://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryId=CTULRS0703
The U.S. carrier unlocked version will be LG V30 US998.USA
And yes the "carrier unlocked" LG G6 US998 will have LTE band 71. T-mobile confirmed it.

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Google Pixel 1 was a retarded device (see nexus 6 design, it was 100 times better and with less bezels)
Google pixel 2 seems to be retarded also, BUT Pixel 2 XL seems to have a nice design with small bezels but no audio jack HAHA (copying apple eh?)
If they don't put something like dual camera wide angle, front facing autofocus 2/4k camera and super mega large battery, then they can keep that thing;
still here in europe they don't sell pixel 1, so no one will give a **** about pixel 2
sad to say, but samsung is doing a really great job with their S8/+ phones

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EasyDeath said:
sad to say, but samsung is doing a really great job with their S8/+ phones
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They are selling well. They've always had an issue with 3rd party audio apps streaming Bluetooth with the track data to other devices though - For me at least. Audio volume and quality is something I dislike with Samsung too. And for the s8 and s8+,I hate bixby and that stupid dedicated button. I don't have the need to talk to a virtual assistant. /rant

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I'd go with Pixel XL 2. It it will always be running latest OS. However if you care about camera and audio then V30 is the way to go. For me the pixel xl had a great camera and Pixel XL 2 will excell that. Nothing to worry about. I love the design of the V30 however long term use the Pixel XL 2 is a definitely better option. I'm currently using the XZ Premium which I'm very happy with coming from Samsung. My next phone would be pixel though. Also you might want to wait for the Mate 10 which would be another beast.

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I'm sort of torn between Pixel XL2 and LG V30. If you want dev support, Pixel all the way. There is no way to know in which circumstances the V30 will get an unlockable bootloader.
Coming from a Xperia Z2 and later a Xperia Z5, I have a bitter taste in my mouth. If you unlocked your bootloader, you'd delete your TA partitions (which enabled Sony's propriatery camera functions). So despite selling amazing camera hardware to many phone companies, and supposedly using the best on their own phones, you'd get a ****ty camera performance when you had a rooted phone.
LG makes me quite cautious on this matter. Yes we have a 1.6" aperture which will let in more light in dark conditions, but we have a smaller sensor as well. Instead of hardware developments we see a lot of software -gimmicks or features- however you'd want to name them. If i lose any of those features/gimmicks on an open bootloader on a custom rom, or a different camera app I'd be furious. I don't want a locked down and forced software covering bad quality (like Samsung's over saturation of everything, not that they have bad hardware) Pre-release software V30's don't always seem to be doing fantastic on image processing (and sometimes they're amazing) and even though they are pre-release specimens I'd hate to have another gamble with this.
Pixel on the other hand, seems like it'll have a huge sensor. That'll be hard to **** up with software (even though it was Pixels amazing camera firmware that gave it those amazing shots). Honestly, I don't care about a second camera on my phone. I want a proper main camera and thats it. IF and only IF my phone is going to have two cameras, I'd like to have them in "Wide>Monochrome>telephoto" order. IF i have to. That is why I'm going with the V30 and not the Note8 (that, and the 6" sweet spot on the small bezel screens. Anything below 6" seems to narrow, and anything above 6" seems too big and a waste of battery considering the smaller batteries they come with because of the smaller body)
I love the Quad DAC, and I love the headphone jack, but I'd rather have a stereo speaker setup. I often find myself connecting to my car bluetooth or a bluetooth speaker if I'm on a camp or something. Hell I'll just keep a pair of wireless headphones on me. Which is why I don't lament the loss of a replacable battery. I have tons of rechargeable items on me at any time now. So I'd rahter just carry a powerbank and charge anything, instead of replace the battery on my phone.
Wireless charging is one of those things where you don't know how much you needed them until you have them. So I'd like that as well.
I can go forever on this. (I feel like I already have)
So to sum it up:
Dev support: Pixel
Multimedia consumption/creation: V30 (unless the camera ****s up massively)

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For me it'll be V30 most likely, for the DAC and jack (and then design). One of the unlocked ones, so that hopefully I can root and get rid of whatever bloat it comes with and restore it to the closest stock experience possible. I'm not too hopeful on custom ROMs though as I think the DAC won't be supported for some time (will it ever? not sure the V20 ROMs ever got it?).

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Lechium said:
There is no way to know in which circumstances the V30 will get an unlockable bootloader.
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Yes there is. The U.S. and European "carrier unlocked" LG V30 versions will be eligible for bootloader unlock, just like with LG G6, V20, LG V10, LG G5, LG G4, etc.
Go look at this pattern:
http://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryId=CTULRS0703
And stay away from carrier stores. T-Mobile proved with the LG G6 and Samsung models this year they are no longer dev friendly.
But I do agree with your other comments about no stereo speakers. LG missed an opportunity.
I also agree about Qi wireless charging. I won't buy a phone without it.

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ChazzMatt said:
Yes there is. The U.S. and European "carrier unlocked" LG V30 versions will be eligible for bootloader unlock, just like with LG G6, V20, LG V10, LG G5, LG G4, etc.
Go look at this pattern:
http://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryId=CTULRS0703
And stay away from carrier stores. T-Mobile proved with the LG G6 and Samsung models this year they are no longer dev friendly.
But I do agree with your other comments about no stereo speakers. LG missed an opportunity.
I also agree about Qi wireless charging. I won't buy a phone without it.
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I did read your original post regarding this, and makes a lot of sense.
What I meant to say was that we don't know if we'll lose any functionality by unlocking the bootloader and installing a custom rom. I say this because of my history with the Xperia Z series. I know LG didn't do something like this before, but there was a lot of software focus on the presentation. Some of it might be tied down to LG's original rom.
The lack of stereo speakers in such an audio-centric device bother me a lot honestly. I mean there is already a speaker placed up there for calls. Just make it a little higher in quality. Sure it won't be boomsound unless they spend more money on it and lose profits, but we'd atleast be able to understand where a certain sound is coming from. A ton of songs use stereo effects, let alone videos.
And as a last point, we don't have carrier-branded phones where I live so I'm safe on that regard. But like you said, if we had them, I wouldn't touch them with a ten feet pole.

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Lechium said:
There is no way to know in which circumstances the V30 will get an unlockable bootloader.
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ChazzMatt said:
Yes there is. The U.S. and European "carrier unlocked" LG V30 versions will be eligible for bootloader unlock, just like with LG G6, V20, LG V10, LG G5, LG G4, etc.
Go look at this pattern:
http://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryId=CTULRS0703
And stay away from carrier stores. T-Mobile proved with the LG G6 and Samsung models this year they are no longer dev friendly.
But I do agree with your other comments about no stereo speakers. LG missed an opportunity.
I also agree about Qi wireless charging. I won't buy a phone without it.
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Lechium said:
I did read your original post regarding this, and makes a lot of sense.
What I meant to say was that we don't know if we'll lose any functionality by unlocking the bootloader and installing a custom rom. I say this because of my history with the Xperia Z series. I know LG didn't do something like this before, but there was a lot of software focus on the presentation. Some of it might be tied down to LG's original rom.
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Ah, I mis-read your post then. "There is no way to know in which circumstances the V30 will get an unlockable bootloader", I thought you meant which situations LG would allow it. You meant what complications would come with that.
You are correct. Last year, the ZTE Axon 7 -- the one with the award-winning quad DAC and excellent front-facing speakers (cough, LG should have done that) -- made a decision to have a user-unlocked bootloader. BUT ZTE kept their quad DAC code under lock and seal. It was proprietary. So, while users could root the phone, with CM/Lineage custom ROM, there were lots of audio issues for months. Audio was badly distorted. Finally CM/LOS dev and others got that distortion under control, but I'm still not sure they are able to let custom ROMs use the quad DAC the way the stock firmware does. (I stopped keeping track about six months ago.)
As a result, many users stuck with stock firmware for best experience. Yes, it could still be rooted, and yes there's Gravity Box you can use with stock firmware so you can use the quad DAC functionality. And yes the ZTE Axon 7 still had the exact same 5.5" AMOLED 1444p display the Pixel XL had. But you lost all that great audio functionality if you installed custom ROM. (At least for several months, I don't know the current situation.)
So, you are right. There's tons of magic in this LG V30 (audio and camera), but depending on if LG lets devs have access to that, it's possible custom ROM experience would suffer.

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Feels like the whole Nexus 5 vs LG G2 saga all over again.
I had both and while the Nexus 5 was way smoother than the G2, the G2 was by far the better phone as they cut way too many corners on the Nexus 5. :crying:
Will be interesting to see how this one pans out.
Personally, I'd go for the V30. Don't buy this whole, "Courage," crap and bet the battery in the Pixel 2 wont be as good as the V30. Thinking about USB type C, if only they'd designed the port to be round.

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Pixel Vs LG V30
Google pixel's features are good and used those feature and its awesome.

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Pixel for photography. V30 has the worst camera of all 2017 flagships.

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YandereSan said:
Pixel for photography. V30 has the worst camera of all 2017 flagships.
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All the reviews say the LG V30 camera is among the best. One example:
LG V30 hands on – a mobile photography powerhouse
www.androidauthority.com/lg-v30-review-797089
Another one:
Camera Shootout: Galaxy Note 8 Vs. Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 Vs. LG V30
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin...-8-vs-xiaomi-mi-mix-2-vs-lg-v30/#73e4b9b85764
You're just trying to start an argument?
Plus, you don't even know what the Pixel 2017 will have. Yes, it will probably have a very good camera ALSO.