Any confirmation on 600 mhz band 71? - LG V30 Questions & Answers

Many Android blogs have reported that the V30 will have 600mhz compatibility, but I've seen no spec sheet or any other source that has hard citations.
Quallcomm says:
http://bgr.com/2017/08/28/galaxy-note-8-t-mobile-600mhz-support-vs-lg-v30/
The closest I've seen to confirmation of this is : https://twitter.com/JohnLegere/status/903262516977000450
Everything else is a headline with no source that says
LG V30 is T-Mobile's First 600MHz LTE Band 71 Smartphone
or
The LG V30 is the first phone to run on T-Mobile's new 600Mhz network

atljatl said:
Many Android blogs have reported that the V30 will have 600mhz compatibility, but I've seen no spec sheet or any other source that has hard citations.
Qualcomm says: (on August 28, BEFORE the LG V30 was officially announced)
http://bgr.com/2017/08/28/galaxy-note-8-t-mobile-600mhz-support-vs-lg-v30/
The closest I've seen to confirmation of this is : https://twitter.com/JohnLegere/status/903262516977000450
Everything else is a headline with no source that says
LG V30 is T-Mobile's First 600MHz LTE Band 71 Smartphone
or
The LG V30 is the first phone to run on T-Mobile's new 600Mhz network
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Oh, come on. T-Mobile confirmed it the very day the LG V30 was announced by LG. Official T-Mobile press release on T-mobile website, from August 31 (same day LG announced the LG V30):
The newly-unveiled LG V30, the world’s first 600 MHz LTE-capable smartphone, will be available at T-Mobile this fall.
https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/tmobile-600mhz.htm
T-Mobile Ready to Rock New Spectrum With First 600 MHz LTE Smartphone & 5G-Ready Network Gear
The newly-unveiled LG V30, the world’s first 600 MHz LTE-capable smartphone, will be available at T-Mobile this fall.
August 31, 2017
The LG V30 will be the world’s first smartphone to support LTE on 600 MHz as well as other spectrum bands available from T-Mobile, and the Un-carrier plans to launch LG’s latest flagship nationwide this fall.
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It's well known and everybody has been using this T-mobile statement as reference. T-mobile released that official statement on their website the same day LG announced the LG V30 (August 31). Very easy to find.
Even the tweet you referenced FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY says it.
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Just to make clear, he also tweeted again -- referencing the official statement on the T-mobile website:
So, I really think you don't know how to click on hyperlinks or check sources at the bottom of articles? For instance, go this this article below... That T-Mobile press release on the T-mobile website is not only hyperlinked IN the article, but also separately referenced at the BOTTOM of the article.
LG V30 is Indeed T-Mobile’s First 600MHz LTE-Capable Smartphone
http://www.droid-life.com/2017/08/31/lg-v30-tmobile-600mhz-smartphone-first/
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By the way... your Qualcomm link (which states that no "existing phone" can handle 600 MHz LTE band) is not valid, because that statement (August 28) was BEFORE the LG V30 was officially announced (August 31).
So, yeah "no existing" phone (as of August 28) can handle T-Mobile band 71, because in "PR SPEAK" the LG V30 didn't exist yet on August 28 (even though reviewers already had it in their hands with signed non-disclosure contracts). The LG V30 only "exists" AFTER the LG official announcement (August 31). Qualcomm wasn't going to ruin LG's big announcement scheduled just 3 days later. And T-Mobile then quickly chimed in with their own announcement, the same day of the LG official announcement, AFTER LG's press conference.
If you ask Qualcomm now (today), their answer would be different. Yes, of course an "existing" phone -- the LG V30 -- can handle T-mobile's LTE band 71.

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Will this version of the phone work on AT&T/T-Mobile?

I've been searching high and low for a phone that will work on both T-mobile and AT&T. The Galaxy Nexus was going to be my choice, but it has way too many problems (screen being the biggest issue).
I found this version of the Razr Maxx which says that it has bands for both AT&T and T-Mobile. My question to you guys is this: If I buy this phone, will I be able to use it and get full 3G (HSPA+) speeds on either carrier?
http://www.clove.co.uk/motorola-razr-maxx
Thanks!
After doing some more research, it seems that the phone has to have 1700/2100 bands in order to work on T-Mobile.
The phone has 2100 band. Does this mean that T-Mobile 3G HSPA will work only when the area has that band, or not at all?
That model runs on :
GSM/GPRS Yes
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Frequencies850/900/1800/1900 MHz
and/or
3G/HSPA Yes
Frequencies2100/1900/900/850 Mhz
So YES, that model WILL WORK on ATT/TMO. Both companies have roaming agreements with each other and other companies which would allow your device to work if and when you are within a coverage area. NOT ALL features may work in certain areas AND data may be a certain speed in 1 area and in another it may be MUCH MUCH SLOWER due to the fact that it is using your 2G/GSM bands because there is no 3G/HSPA aka HSPA+ aka 4G (aka by ATT and/or TMO). This particular model CANNOT AND WILL NOT ever get true 4G/LTE.
Hope this helps...
Thanks for the answer. After doing a lot of research, I've learned that it WILL work for AT&T 3G/"4G" speeds, and will NOT work for T-Mobile 3G/"4G" speeds.
Reason being is that even though it has the 2100 band, it doesn't have the 1700 band, which T-Mobile requires for full HSPA speed. It uses one for uplink and the other for downlink. So even though it has one of the bands, I'll never be able to get full speed 3G on it.
ajm786 said:
Thanks for the answer. After doing a lot of research, I've learned that it WILL work for AT&T 3G/"4G" speeds, and will NOT work for T-Mobile 3G/"4G" speeds.
Reason being is that even though it has the 2100 band, it doesn't have the 1700 band, which T-Mobile requires for full HSPA speed. It uses one for uplink and the other for downlink. So even though it has one of the bands, I'll never be able to get full speed 3G on it.
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after many years of following this stuff, and as a user of both tmo & att services, i must say you are exactly correct! i vaguely recall reading about a pentaband phone in development that would do 3g on both services, but lost track of whether it ever came to market
edit: turns out pentaband phones exist:
forums.androidcentral.com/android-hardware/170487-pentaband-phones.html
i'm surprised the RAZR wasn't developed as penta...

LG G5 Model RS988 will have AT&T LTE?

I'm seriously considering the LG G5 Model RS988 that you can get on Amazon because it's cheaper and easier to get that at AT&T or Best Buy, but will that version work with AT&T LTE Bands? AT&T LTE bands are 2,4,5,12,29, and 30. I see that the RS988 model doesn't have bands 29 and 30. Will that affect AT&T LTE performance? Please let me know. I want to get the phone in the next day or two. Thank you in advance for your help!!!
You can always check the bands that the device supports, though, yes it does.
But is band 29 and 30 critical for LTE on AT&T?
junodragon said:
But is band 29 and 30 critical for LTE on AT&T?
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No its not just don't change your imei from the phone you have right now
I wasn't going to change anything. I was just going to pop in my nano-sim from my Iphone and it should work automatically right? Or do I need to do anything else?
junodragon said:
I wasn't going to change anything. I was just going to pop in my nano-sim from my Iphone and it should work automatically right? Or do I need to do anything else?
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Nope. That's the beauty of GSM carriers.
also it has band 17..... which Att uses alot too, which is used lot in southern Michigan where I lived, but I use Cricket wirless which uses the same towers, I ordered my RS model from Amazon about hour ago and will be here tomorrow:good:
2003vstrom said:
also it has band 17..... which Att uses alot too, which is used lot in southern Michigan where I lived, but I use Cricket wirless which uses the same towers, I ordered my RS model from Amazon about hour ago and will be here tomorrow:good:
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Just received mine off Amazon this morning and confirm after changing the apns my LTE is working awesome! Faster then my 6S was.
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Sent from my RS988 using Tapatalk
No LTE love for me...
I would love my RS988 to get LTE on ATT... I switched from Cricket which has LTE on it, to ATT GoPhone and I only get a max of HSPA+. I can scan for networks and click on ATT LTE but it just fails to register. ATT support said they cannot force it to work because their system shows my IMEI as an unknown manufacturer. ... what?
I already have the same APN settings as listed. I would LOVE some help with that!

What's LRA V30? What's ACG V30?

OK, perusing the LG website there are two strange 998 models showing up that are NOT connected to any carriers. Says "for LRA" and "for ACG". But for carrier-branded models, they don't share that format -- those just have "model name | carrier name". (See screenshot$ below.)
The LRA is for US998, I assume open market for North America. The ACG is AS998, for what, Asia?
These two are listed last in the V30 models and I cannot find out what LRA or ACG means, but there's also LG G6 models with those designations -- as well as other LG phones with those designations.
I ASSUME it has something to do with the open market phones, but I don't know what LRA or ACG stands for.
And it has NOTHING to do with color, as the "LRA" model is silver, like the U.S. Cellular Silver model. (The B&H US998 does come in silver.)
So, has nothing to do with carrier or color, so what else is there? I assume these are the open market phones that will receive bootloader unlock? But I never heard of an Asian open market phone.
LRA
https://www.lg.com/us/products/wtb?modelId=MD05892777
ACG
http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-AS998-ACG-lg-v30
Here's a screenshot comparing the silver U.S. Cellular model to the "LRA" and "ACG" model. You can clearly see it does not have the same carrier designation and strangely is also listed sort of in the color, but yet has nothing to do with color.
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Here's several carrier models and the LRA and ACG models listed together:
Here's what i found
LRA
http://www.verizon.com/about/news/v...advanced-wireless-services-to-rural-customers
ACG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Carrier_Group
Interesting. MyLgphones.com says that the KDZ for the AS998 is live on LG Bridge.
Mystogan said:
Here's what i found
LRA
http://www.verizon.com/about/news/v...advanced-wireless-services-to-rural-customers
ACG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Carrier_Group
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OK, so these are regional CDMA/LTE carriers who often partner with Verizon for roaming. They are not MVNOs, but smaller, rural standalone carriers with their own spectrum.
I know about these, so that's good news.
They often get the same model phone Verizon gets but sometimes under different model name. For instance the U.S.Moto Maxx XT1250 = Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254. Same bands, same FCC ID, everything. You could run it on Verizon with a Verizon LTE SIM card. And had easily unlocked bootloader. It was basically the dev version of the Droid Turbo.
Probably won't be so lucky here, LG probably has them locked down also.

H930 3G and LTE bands

Is there anywhere on here or elsewhere that the 3G and LTE bands for all V30 variants are listed accurately? I've searched and can't find a definitive list and even LG's site doesn't appear to list this info. I'm particularly interested in the H930.
I did find this site https://www.techwalls.com/lg-v30-model-number-differences/ Can anyone confirm it's accurate?
GrandMasterPlank said:
Is there anywhere on here or elsewhere that the 3G and LTE bands for all V30 variants are listed accurately? I've searched and can't find a definitive list and even LG's site doesn't appear to list this info. I'm particularly interested in the H930.
I did find this site https://www.techwalls.com/lg-v30-model-number-differences/ Can anyone confirm it's accurate?
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LG website list the bands for each model. For the H930 the bands LG says it has, it has. Are you asking does it have additional bands LG does not list?
That's where people mess, hoping for additional bands not listed. Like LTE band 4 on the H930DS...
ChazzMatt said:
LG website list the bands for each model. For the H930 the bands LG says it has, it has. Are you asking does it have additional bands LG does not list.
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No, just looking for the bands that model is compatible with. I couldn't find that info on the LG website. Have you got a link?
GrandMasterPlank said:
No, just looking for the bands that model is compatible with. I couldn't find that info on the LG website. Have you got a link?
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That's very strange. They list it for the US998 and other North America variants, but on my phone I can't find it for the H930 on LG website. I'll look more later.
GrandMasterPlank said:
No, just looking for the bands that model is compatible with. I couldn't find that info on the LG website. Have you got a link?
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ChazzMatt said:
That's very strange. They list it for the US998 and other North America variants, but on my phone I can't find it for the H930 on LG website. I'll look more later.
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No, just looking for the bands that model is compatible with. I couldn't find that info on the LG website. Have you got a link?
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I know you don't want US998, but I'm showing you the LG website I got it from and screenshot for my Bootloader Unlock and Root Guide.
http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-US998-Unlocked-v30
US998
CDMA: 800 MHz CDMA
2G GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS (HSPA):850/900/1900/2100 MHz
4G LTE Bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/12(17)/13/20/25/66
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In the same place, I also list the H930 bands -- but I'm not sure the source:
2G GSM: 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G (HSPA): 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G LTE: 1/2/3/4/5/8/12/17/20/28/38
However, I'm fairly certain it's correct. Are you look for some bands on the H930 in particular?
It is very strange the identical section on LG's website on the H930 does not list the bands. I thought they would.

S9 Exynos CDMA

If it has CDMA bands and it's rootable, why hasn't a method for enabling the CDMA bands been found yet?
"I will also add that in the past the dual-sourcing made sense due to technical limitations. CDMA compatibility for Verizon and Sprint in the US and China Telecom in China made for compelling arguments for using Snapdragon variants in those markets. However since then Samsung has introduced discrete modems and Exynos SoCs with CDMA compatibility. Indeed the Exynos 9810’s new modem supports CDMA. Samsung’s licensing dispute with Qualcomm and their recent reconciliation points out to issues beyond “simple” technical matters. The fact that the Snapdragon 845 is produced by Samsung is also a factor at play. The foundry business used to be under the same corporate roof as the SoC business making Exynos chips, however last summer Samsung has spun off the manufacturing part into a separate business unit. What this means for the future of dual-sourcing Snapdragon and Exynos SoCs remains uncertain, but for now the Galaxy S9 still continues the tradition, for better or worse."
Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12460/samsung-announces-the-galaxy-s9
Sure you're not confusing CDMA with WCDMA? They aren't the same thing, and the Exynos variants don't have a CDMA radio (hence why the Snapdragon version is the one sold in the US for Sprint & Verizon).
Devhux said:
Sure you're not confusing CDMA with WCDMA? They aren't the same thing, and the Exynos variants don't have a CDMA radio (hence why the Snapdragon version is the one sold in the US for Sprint & Verizon).
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"I will also add that in the past the dual-sourcing made sense due to technical limitations. CDMA compatibility for Verizon and Sprint in the US and China Telecom in China made for compelling arguments for using Snapdragon variants in those markets. However since then Samsung has introduced discrete modems and Exynos SoCs with CDMA compatibility. Indeed the Exynos 9810’s new modem supports CDMA. Samsung’s licensing dispute with Qualcomm and their recent reconciliation points out to issues beyond “simple” technical matters. The fact that the Snapdragon 845 is produced by Samsung is also a factor at play. The foundry business used to be under the same corporate roof as the SoC business making Exynos chips, however last summer Samsung has spun off the manufacturing part into a separate business unit. What this means for the future of dual-sourcing Snapdragon and Exynos SoCs remains uncertain, but for now the Galaxy S9 still continues the tradition, for better or worse."
Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12460/samsung-announces-the-galaxy-s9
Interesting..... Now of course there's the secondary issue in the US at least, in that Sprint nor Verizon would still have to activate the device on their network; something they tend not to do for most devices they don't sell. I also don't believe CDMA devices use a SIM card nor the IMEI number, so you'd have to generate an ESN or MEID number manually (something that could probably be considered as illegal as changing the IMEI in many areas).
Bottom line, there's more to CDMA than just activating the radio or ensuring the proper bands are supported - at least from my understanding of the technology. Of course, I may be mistaken here just like I was about the Exynos 9810 theoretically supporting CDMA, but I still stand by my belief that it's more complicated than how we could enable Band 4 LTE on the Nexus 4 back in the day.
Verizon wireless has BYOD, so I think that rectifies one issue. Well, it's a bummer I can't connect to VZW on an exynos S9. How do I go about making it work?
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On my unrooted S9+ UAE Exynos, I got into the Mobile Network Settings. It's axiomatic that there's an option for LTE/CDMA; however, I cannot make it stick. It may be a futile option, but I don't know . Can someone test this?

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