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She has an iPhone 5c and it sucks, and she doesn't like how big the iPhone 6 is. So I am looking at getting her something with a smaller form factor. I have researched the Galaxy Alpha and the HTC One Remix, but I have only ever held the Galaxy Alpha. She has zero patience for devices that are laggy (not sure how she manages with the stupid iPhone 5c then), so I need to find something that is a bit powerful. She had an Galaxy S4 before and hated it, so I need to deliver this time (she hated its size). Any suggestions would be helpful!
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She has an iPhone 5c and it sucks, and she doesn't like how big the iPhone 6 is. So I am looking at getting her something with a smaller form factor. I have researched the Galaxy Alpha and the HTC One Remix, but I have only ever held the Galaxy Alpha. She has zero patience for devices that are laggy (not sure how she manages with the stupid iPhone 5c then), so I need to find something that is a bit powerful. She had an Galaxy S4 before and hated it, so I need to deliver this time (she hated its size). Any suggestions would be helpful!
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Give her a 2gen Motorola Moto E, it includes stock Android Lollipop so I don't think it gets laggy :good:
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She has an iPhone 5c and it sucks, and she doesn't like how big the iPhone 6 is. So I am looking at getting her something with a smaller form factor. I have researched the Galaxy Alpha and the HTC One Remix, but I have only ever held the Galaxy Alpha. She has zero patience for devices that are laggy (not sure how she manages with the stupid iPhone 5c then), so I need to find something that is a bit powerful. She had an Galaxy S4 before and hated it, so I need to deliver this time (she hated its size). Any suggestions would be helpful!
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Powerful hardware with a small size? That's going to be very difficult, as no company makes small high-end devices. It's all 4.9" and above if you want good hardware. The S4 is 5".
The Alpha is 4.7" and was created as a direct competitor to the iPhone. Hence it has lower hardware specs, somewhere between mid-range and flagship. It's fairly fast, but it's no Nexus6/Note4.
Don't bother with any of the Galaxy S Mini devices, they're all terrible. Sluggish, laggy and horrible drain.
The Alpha is probably your best bet in terms of hardware vs size. (Be sure to replace touchwiz with Apex or Nova and turn off animations to speed it up, too.)
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I forgot to mention that I've also tried some of the minis, and they are trash. My co worker had one and had to sell it because it was so terrible. Thanks for the reply.
2013 Moto X
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What about Samsung Galaxy Note 3? I think it is powerful and fine.
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What about Samsung Galaxy Note 3? I think it is powerful and fine.
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The Note 3 isn't quite as big as a dump truck or a Frigidaire or Kanye West's ego, but I don't think that's quite what the OP means by "smaller Android phone".
Another vote for Moto E.
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What about Samsung Galaxy Note 3? I think it is powerful and fine.
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The 5" S4 was too big. I suspect the 5.7" Note 3 is slightly over the size limit...
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Then best is yureka..with lowest price n good configuration
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Moto G 2013 with 4G should be good
I think that the best one would be the Xperia Z3 Compact. It's not as thrashy as the minis . Specifications:
4.6" HD screen
2GB RAM
Quad-Core 2.5GHZ CPU
Lollipop update soon
Waterproof
Look if there's any CM/AOKP ROM for it.
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I just received the matte gold nexus 6p and all I can say is wow!
Everything about this phone is premium and dam its pretty. Coming from someone who also owns a nexus 5x and a nexus 6 I can tell you that this appears to be the perfect device. After using the nexus 6 for a while, I loved it. I also felt the same about the 5x but there was something missing. I wanted the big screen back and all new hardware features from the new set of devices. (Plus the nexus 5x was laggy, and the nexus 6 was just slightly dated at this point).
So far I haven't been able to knock anything about this device. The only thing I guess I could say is that it's so thin and slick you always feel like you are going to drop it. This is the closest to iPhone quality standards that I've seen in a phone. Once you get it in your hands you will see it far exceeds anything currently out there running Android.
I'm not sure where all the hate has been coming from but this thing is a beautiful beast of a phone so far.
Congrats! Totally agree with you. I love my 6P. To be honest I think it is in its own league. Beautiful, sturdy and top notch quality.
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Congratz! Enjoy this badboy 6P on XDA!
I want one but I am still loving my note 5... decisions, decisions! Anyone make the switch from a note 5?
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I want one but I am still loving my note 5... decisions, decisions! Anyone make the switch from a note 5?
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I'm also trying to decide if I want to upgrade or not. I have the Nexus 6 at the moment.
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I want one but I am still loving my note 5... decisions, decisions! Anyone make the switch from a note 5?
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I must say the note 5 doesn't hold a candle quality wise. If you are considering it and have the extra funds you won't be disappointed.
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I'm also trying to decide if I want to upgrade or not. I have the Nexus 6 at the moment.
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I was unsure about upgrading from the nexus 6 too, but the new features are so worth it. It's worth taking the chance I would just go for it. You won't be disappointed.
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I must say the note 5 doesn't hold a candle quality wise. If you are considering it and have the extra funds you won't be disappointed.
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The only thing that is keeping me away at this point is the camera on the 6p... or I should say camera software. I will miss the s-pen though... But other then that.. all the reviews I have read and watched seem damn good.
I had a nexus 6 before this 6p and I loved my nexus 6, the slightly narrower design is the main deal breaker for me it's only a few mm but I always found the original nexus 6 just to wide, this 6p is perfect, I also in work have a note edge, it's not a patch on this phone imo.
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The only thing that is keeping me away at this point is the camera on the 6p... or I should say camera software. I will miss the s-pen though... But other then that.. all the reviews I have read and watched seem damn good.
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I was always a note person as long as I can remember but once you take a look at it the software isnt that great. Plus this is the best camera on a phone I've seen.
The notes camera is better for sure but the 6p's is no slouch.
It's funny how the brain works once you spend a lot of money on something. I owned the Note 5 for a good while and the 6P for a little over a month. I now own neither phone.
Now as an outside observer with no money attached to either device, I can with 100% confidence assure everyone that the Note 5 has a better camera than the 6P.
People who say otherwise are lying to themselves unfortunately. I hate to sound harsh but that's the truth of the matter.
With that being said, the 6P has a very good camera. It's just not up to Note 5 levels overall.
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It's funny how the brain works once you spend a lot of money on something. I owned the Note 5 for a good while and the 6P for a little over a month. I now own neither phone.
Now as an outside observer with no money attached to either device, I can with 100% confidence assure everyone that the Note 5 has a better camera than the 6P.
People who say otherwise are lying to themselves unfortunately. I hate to sound harsh but that's the truth of the matter.
With that being said, the 6P has a very good camera. It's just not up to Note 5 levels overall.
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I don't think anyone was speaking on the camera. To me, as far as build quality goes and software the 6p exceeds the note 5.
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I don't think anyone was speaking on the camera. To me, as far as build quality goes and software the 6p exceeds the note 5.
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Other people brought up the camera, I wasn't replying specifically to you. Considering both of my 6P's bent, I wouldn't say the build quality is better. And software is a tough one. If you measure software by added features then the Note 5 kills the 6P. If you measure it by a stock experience then the 6P kills the Note.
Yes I had the s6 with all the features I mean gimmicks, but touchwiz is total crap. Yes the camera might be better on the note but it doesn't hold a candle to the N6 software wise and the development for nexus devices. Go get a point and shoot if you desperately need amazing photos.This is the best android phone on the market.
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Yes I had the s6 with all the features I mean gimmicks, but touchwiz is total crap. Yes the camera might be better on the note but it doesn't hold a candle to the N6 software wise and the development for nexus devices. Go get a point and shoot if you desperately need amazing photos.This is the best android phone on the market.
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Yeah no offence to Samsung but touchwiz makes me want to rip my hair out. My mother has a s6 edge+ and I absolutely cannot stand the ui on it and neither can she. Very bloated and fairly hard to navigate, not to mention the lag. But IMHO it really depends what your looking for in a device whether you'll love the n6p over your current phone. Do you love nexus devices? Want latest android on a slick phone that will last? Treat your flagship very delicate because it is aluminum and electronics? Love customization or roms? The n6p is probably for you. Are you a professional photographer who uses their phone for that? Want a stylus? Don't baby your phone? Like stock "features" and "useful" apps? Probably not for you.
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Yes I had the s6 with all the features I mean gimmicks, but touchwiz is total crap. Yes the camera might be better on the note but it doesn't hold a candle to the N6 software wise and the development for nexus devices. Go get a point and shoot if you desperately need amazing photos.This is the best android phone on the market.
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I have the s6 and it's touchwiz is not that much crappy! I had the note 4 and that was really lagish but s6 is improved!
But the nexus 6p is my wishlist phone...
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I want one but I am still loving my note 5... decisions, decisions! Anyone make the switch from a note 5?
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Will be doing so very soon, Samsung apps and memory management have been frustrating as well as not having a 64gb version locally until now. Can't wait
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I'm also trying to decide if I want to upgrade or not. I have the Nexus 6 at the moment.
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AS a network engineer I use smartphone for a variety of tools, my average SOT 6+. I get these phones thru work but I choose what they buy. From the S3, S4 to Note 3, Note 4 and Note 5. I always root. I was able to to have them swallow a Note 4 DE so I could have the unlocked bootloader on VZ network. During the new buying season they went with the Note 5 but I stayed with the Note 4, reason why, there will be no developer edition of it. So 6 days a go I got tired of Samsung lack of update on their phone especially the Note 4 so I decided to grab a 6P. This is not my phone Nexus phone, I had all them until the 6. Once the 6P came in I was already ready to flash what I wanted on it. I've went 6 days on the phone almost straight, lost sleep hours etc lol.
Can you say addicted to a phone? I couldn't believe I waited so long to get it. The Note 4 will be last Samsung phone, from now on I'll stay with nexus.
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Thinking of switching from my Pixel 5inch to the G6.
Actually I could do a straight trade.
If you have done it, is it worth it?
What is better or worse?
I am interested in battery life and performance? Is it as smooth as the Pixel?
For G6, SoT around 6hrs or little more depending on settings, UI very smooth imho. Design of the G6 is lovely, I don't like the massive bezels on Pixel but that's a personal thing.
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For G6, SoT around 6hrs or little more depending on settings, UI very smooth imho. Design of the G6 is lovely, I don't like the massive bezels on Pixel but that's a personal thing.
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The bezel for sure is my least favorite thing. Thing is I went through 4 Pixels with RMA, I am little tired of it.
G6 is my first LG and its brilliant, I'm very chuffed thus far, been 2 months.
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I had pixel xl and i sold it and bought g6 . everything is better on g6 but the camera i feel like it was better on pixel xl . but the battery is much better on g6
The G6 is not even nearly as smooth as a Pixel regardless of what some people say.
I have and love both. But honestly the Pixel can't be beat. That phone is unbelievable. I switched because I have weirder than normal needs. My phones are paid for and used for work.. So I have to have a REAL e-mail, contacts, Calendar client for office 365(or whatever it's called). None of the apps work like the skinned phones clients do. I also love Quick memo and have years of notes saved to it.
But if i didn't need my phone for work I would be back to the pixel in a second flat. But since i need a skinned phone i love the G6.
Bit the bullet and Got G6. I can agree that UI fluidity is not even close to the Pixel. However it's still likely better then S8.
Hopefully LG can do something about it.
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Bit the bullet and Got G6. I can agree that UI fluidity is not even close to the Pixel. However it's still likely better then S8.
Hopefully LG can do something about it.
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I've had an S8+ and it actually has much smoother scrolling than the G6 which surprised me a fair bit. However the S8 feels slower overall and more laggy, except the camera that can lag a lot on the G6. But scrolling performance was indeed a lot better on the Sammy.
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I've had an S8+ and it actually has much smoother scrolling than the G6 which surprised me a fair bit. However the S8 feels slower overall and more laggy, except the camera that can lag a lot on the G6. But scrolling performance was indeed a lot better on the Sammy.
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I was mostly going by this article. My S8 usage is pretty limited.
https://www.sammobile.com/2017/06/27/samsung-ui-fluidity-problem-needs-fixing
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milan187 said:
I was mostly going by this article. My S8 usage is pretty limited.
https://www.sammobile.com/2017/06/27/samsung-ui-fluidity-problem-needs-fixing
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Yeah it had performance drops in framerates specially when going back to the homescreen and it would stutter randomly, still scrolling performance beats the G6 by a fair bit. I found the G6 to stutter too much for my taste I'm going to sell mine.
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Yeah it had performance drops in framerates specially when going back to the homescreen and it would stutter randomly, still scrolling performance beats the G6 by a fair bit. I found the G6 to stutter too much for my taste I'm going to sell mine.
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Have you tried a factory reset and all that? KDZ load?
I'm going to use this at least until Pixel 2. I had my pixel replaced 3 times, it has its own issues even if lag is not one of them.
For some reason I don't really want the S8.
Thought about the OP5 but I don't want to downgrade in some ways like then screen or camera.
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milan187 said:
Have you tried a factory reset and all that? KDZ load?
I'm going to use this at least until Pixel 2. I had my pixel replaced 3 times, it has its own issues even if lag is not one of them.
For some reason I don't really want the S8.
Thought about the OP5 but I don't want to downgrade in some ways like then screen or camera.
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I returned both my S8+ phones because of Amoled issues. I can never ever get a good Amoled screen. It was the same with the S7 Egde. 4 of them and not one single good enough screen always some visual defect. Crappy Samsung Amoled I start to hate them really. Going with my iPhone from now on instead it never gives me headaches.
Yes, I did factory reset.
milan187 said:
Bit the bullet and Got G6. I can agree that UI fluidity is not even close to the Pixel. However it's still likely better then S8.
Hopefully LG can do something about it.
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I guess LG needs to update from Android 7.0 to 7.1.1 as 7.1.1 might solve scrolling or stuttering problems like the frame rate goes down ocassionaly. The Pixel might be very smooth because it's got 7.1.2 (I'm not sure the latest Android version solved some problems) Imagine the upcoming LG V30! It'll run on SD 835 on top of LG's UX 6.0 running Android 7.1.2 that might make the LG V30 a favorite beast for years to come. That also makes the upcoming Galaxy Note 8 boring.
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I guess LG needs to update from Android 7.0 to 7.1.1 as 7.1.1 might solve scrolling or stuttering problems like the frame rate goes down ocassionaly. The Pixel might be very smooth because it's got 7.1.2 (I'm not sure the latest Android version solved some problems) Imagine the upcoming LG V30! It'll run on SD 835 on top of LG's UX 6.0 running Android 7.1.2 that might make the LG V30 a favorite beast for years to come. That also makes the upcoming Galaxy Note 8 boring.
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Imagine the pixel with the SD835 with improved specs lol
Reuben_skelz92 said:
Imagine the pixel with the SD835 with improved specs lol
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Yes that's called the pixel 2 [emoji6]
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Mchi5 said:
Yes that's called the pixel 2 [emoji6]
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Obviously
Reuben_skelz92 said:
Obviously
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Actually I read the pixel 2 MAY be the first phone to have the Snapdragon 836. So no, not obviously.....
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Mchi5 said:
Actually I read the pixel 2 MAY be the first phone to have the Snapdragon 836. So no, not obviously.....
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What a smart ass
milan187 said:
Have you tried a factory reset and all that? KDZ load?
I'm going to use this at least until Pixel 2. I had my pixel replaced 3 times, it has its own issues even if lag is not one of them.
For some reason I don't really want the S8.
Thought about the OP5 but I don't want to downgrade in some ways like then screen or camera.
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OPs have some of the best image Quality as they are very 'hands off' in terms of their processing engine, I had the OP2 and its camera was the best I'd seen in Android at the time. I see the OP3 camera was also stellar so am sure the OP5 will continue in that vain
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I am planning to buy a new phone. Confused between the S9 and S9 Plus. Are these phones really worth the price tag?
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billubakra said:
Hi,
I am planning to buy a new phone. Confused between the S9 and S9 Plus. Are these phones really worth the price tag?
Thanks
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It depends on what's important to you. I cherish battery life, so I went with the S9+. I also felt that size was not a huge difference.
To me, it beats out the note 8. Less weight, faster, and better battery(by far, for me anyway)
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It depends on what's important to you. I cherish battery life, so I went with the S9+. I also felt that size was not a huge difference.
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To me, it beats out the note 8. Less weight, faster, and better battery(by far, for me anyway)
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Besides the camera and screen what other difference does it have if we compare it with the s8/+ and note 8? Will the gear vr of s7 work fine with the s9/+? Please share some portrait shots from both the cameras.
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Get the note 8 I've just moved from iPhone 8 plus to the note 8 (I did get the s9 plus and returned it) speed wise it's on par , it's now got Oreo on am betting at least 24hrs of heavy use, never stutters and camera is among the best I've ever seen (I am a photographer and use Nikon DSLR) as everyday shooter it's brilliant
Very have 20% off for next few weeks , as long as it's on 12 months interest free u get 20% credit back so it's about £630 well worth the money and that's from a long time Apple fan boy
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Get the note 8 I've just moved from iPhone 8 plus to the note 8 (I did get the s9 plus and returned it) speed wise it's on par , it's now got Oreo on am betting at least 24hrs of heavy use, never stutters and camera is among the best I've ever seen (I am a photographer and use Nikon DSLR) as everyday shooter it's brilliant
Very have 20% off for next few weeks , as long as it's on 12 months interest free u get 20% credit back so it's about £630 well worth the money and that's from a long time Apple fan boy
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Never been a fan of the Note series. Why did you return the S9 plus? How is Note 8's camera when compared to the S9 plus?
no. get the s8 plus. differences are the camera and fingerprint placement really
So we made the jump in favor of the S10 leaving the previous phone behind. Why ?
I personally spent the last months between S9 and OP6T trying to escape from the Samsung supremacy but always find myself returning back to S9. The OP6T isn't bad at all but just feels unfinished when it comes to the special features which could make it more a flagship than a flagship killer.
The S10 in comparison is for me far superior in every aspect: look, feel, build quality, DISPLAY, stereo speaker, atmos, sammy features, CAMERA AND ITS APP, VR, jack, power sharing, wireless charging, shealth, ...
Note 9 ... just a phone whore ....
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Note 9 ... just a phone whore ....
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[emoji1432] my answer
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I do a lot of video recording and recording in hdr10 plus is a big thing to me. plus all the other parts that you already said. And the camera has a super steady mode that literally takes any jitter out of the video. I am coming from the pixel 3XL. I will miss the timely updates but I won't really miss root. The only thing I did with root was a theme with substratum and use AdAway to get rid of ads. and since Samsung already has substratum without Root is pretty much not an issue for me.
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Yes. I too am a phone whore. A dirty phone whore. Plus, I miss having a flat display. Which is why I bought the One Plus 6T but the camera on that thing SUCKS and there's no wireless charging or a headphone jack. The S10(e) has those things along with a flat display. Plus, it's easier to hold in the hand than my Note 9.
I'm still going to stay with the Note series because of that S-Pen, but I won't be getting a Note 10 (or whatever they're calling it) until next March when Exynos model prices drop. I'm gonna have a rooted Note 10, goddamn it. This T-Mobile S10(E) will serve me well until then.
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Yes. I too am a phone whore. A dirty phone whore. Plus, I miss having a flat display. Which is why I bought the One Plus 6T but the camera on that thing SUCKS and there's no wireless charging or a headphone jack. The S10(e) has those things along with a flat display. Plus, it's easier to hold in the hand than my Note 9.
I'm still going to stay with the Note series because of that S-Pen, but I won't be getting a Note 10 (or whatever they're calling it) until next March when Exynos model prices drop. I'm gonna have a rooted Note 10, goddamn it. This T-Mobile S10(E) will serve me well until then.
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TBH I might skip the N10 if it doesn't have the 5G radio in it ... and wait for the N105G
S6 to the S10 for me, going to be a massive upgrade!
Note 8 to S10+, I use to be a phone whore before the note8 but ive been quite content but I cannot pass on this S10!
S9 to S10. I was happy enough with the S9 but I couldn't pass up the trade-in.
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Pretty much the same here but I went from the Note 9 to Pixel 3XL and now on to the 10+. I won't miss root at all and AdHell3 is great for ads and disabling any unwanted apps.
Nexus 6P. And why the S10, cuz the Pixel 3XL was so disappointing.
anyone coming from a Mate 20 Pro?
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Dirty phone whore here too. Coming from an iPhone Xr/max/xs/note9.
I spend a lot of time selling phones!
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note 9, in it for the trade in and promo for the buds. Excuses to cover up my phone addiction as some of you have already said ?
S8 to s10.
Note 9 was a great stepping stone to the Galaxy S10+! Let's Rock ?
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Nexus 6P. And why the S10, cuz the Pixel 3XL was so disappointing.
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Ditto!
freebee269 said:
I do a lot of video recording and recording in hdr10 plus is a big thing to me. plus all the other parts that you already said. And the camera has a super steady mode that literally takes any jitter out of the video. I am coming from the pixel 3XL. I will miss the timely updates but I won't really miss root. The only thing I did with root was a theme with substratum and use AdAway to get rid of ads. and since Samsung already has substratum without Root is pretty much not an issue for me.
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I thought substratum didn't work on pie without root? Or am I wrong?
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anyone coming from a Mate 20 Pro?
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Not me. I was really close to pulling the trigger but one thing stopped me from doing it: the slow charge on s10. I need super charge feature of the Huawei cause i really depend on it. Otherwise 2 very excellent phones indeed. And this is coming from someone who had the note 9 before the mate.
Pre-ordered the S8+ two years ago, now I've got the S10+ coming today. Seems every 2 years Samsung makes a lot of improvements to their phones. S3-S4, S5-S6, S7-S8, and now the S9-S10. At least it's a predictable trend.