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Hello everyone. Just have a question about the Z2.
So say someone bought an UNLOCKED Sony Xperia Z2 and used it on T-Mobile's network. T-Mobile does NOT sell the Z2 officially (previous models were like the Z1S, but not the Z2). The Z2 is from what I've read capable of LTE-A. T-Mobile just started deploying updates to its official customers (ppl who bought phones from them) which included the enabling of LTE-A. Some phones like mine (T-Mobile HTC One M8) have LTE-A, but it's not enabled until I get that update, which will be very soon. But what about the Z2? Will the unlocked version have LTE-A already enabled?? How does it work?
I would really appreciate a clear and detailed answer. I'm curious how that all works. I almost bought the Z2 but b/c of the big delay in it reaching the states officially (a week ago lol) I got the M8 instead, which I love now, esp after rooting it. lol I'm wondering what I would've done if I'd gotten the unlocked Z2 instead.
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RockStar2005
Note quite. First, NOBODY in the US has LTE-A, or currently has publicly announced plans to rollout LTE-A
The unlocked Z2 supports all current T-mobile, 2G, 3G, and LTE bands.
T-Mobile is currently in the middle of deploying 2 different LTE related technologies. The first is VoLTE, which places calls over the LTE network instead of the normal GSM (GSM, EDGE, HSPA) network. The second thing they are doing is rolling out 15x15 and 20x20 LTE, which is increased data speeds.
With that said, the Z2 should take full advantage of the 15x15 and 20x20 LTE rollouts. I'm not sure about VoLTE however, although it seems unlikely to support it. The rollout you were referencing (HTC update to enable a feature) is VoLTE. I spend a lot more time on data than on voice so for me it's much less of a concern.
se1000 said:
Note quite. First, NOBODY in the US has LTE-A, or currently has publicly announced plans to rollout LTE-A
. . . I'm not sure about VoLTE however, although it seems unlikely to support it. The rollout you were referencing (HTC update to enable a feature) is VoLTE. I spend a lot more time on data than on voice so for me it's much less of a concern.
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The Snapdragon processor in the Z2 CAN do VoLTE, but Qualcomm says that the operator has to certify the phone (and radio chipset) for VoLTE first. Then, Sony has to provide a firmware update to enable VoLTE for the network, T-Mobile in this case. Don't hold your breath, this could take some time.
Hey guys.
I just made this account because I have a major phone crisis. I was thinking of buying a C5 Ultra to replace my broken phone.
But I'm not sure if the 3G and 4G LTE will work with it? I'm not particularly tech saavy. I asked five different representatives from my phone company and they said yes. I've also talked to two Sony reps and they weren't very helpful.
But I'm still unsure. My phone carrier is Claro (Puerto Rico). This is the info they've provided me with:
3G Operable: 850MHZ, 1900MHZ
4G Operable: 850MHZ-1900MHZ, B4 AWS (1700-2100), B17 (700MHZ), B12 (700MHZ)
Which left me still slightly confused. My band knowledge is basically squat. And I've been pulling my hair trying to make heads or tails of the different statements the reps have told me. They all say it'll work and yet I don't want to spend money on the equipment only to find out it doesn't work.
Anyways if anyone could help me out with this I'd be super grateful.
According to this Wikipedia list (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks) your operator seems to be using LTE Band 17.
And according to Xperia C5 Ultra specification white paper from Sony website (http://www-support-downloads.sonymobile.com/e5553/whitepaper_EN_e5553_e5506_xperia_c5_ultra.pdf) the only model that supports LTE Band 17 is the E5506 (Single SIM, none of the Dual SIM variants support the LTE Band 17).
When I bought mine the model number was printed on a sticker on the bottom of the box.
Also, I would suggest you double check with your operator whether they’re actually using LTE Band 17.
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They use Band 4, 12 and 17. I've actually asked them extensively about it. My only option would be the E5506, but I've no idea where to buy that -specific- model. I've been searching for almost a month. Sending e-mails and posting on forums, ect. No dice.
Looking at the Wikipedia list it seems that Band 4, 12, and 17 are mostly used in the countries around Northern America.
Based on past releases, Sony has always prioritize the Asian and Europe market first. Northern America model is almost always released last. I guess you'll have to wait.
Of course this is just a guess, I could be wrong.
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Just wanted to update this thread with new info. I'm now in possession of a C5 ultra E5506. I saw it come up on B&H photo and video and immediately bought it. It seems to work with 4G and 3G just fine.
So yes, its out there now. It just took a while.
Will the dualsim model also have LTE cat.16 (1gbps) modem suitable for European networks? Or it will only be suitable for Asian networks who mainly use intraband aggregation (4g+)?
Europe and Asia use same methods for carrier aggregation, just a bit different LTE bands are used.
Bands and Carrier aggregation support is same for dual sim and single sim version. Difference comes from that the Single sim version has 4x4MIMO antenna support, while Dual sim version has only 2x2MIMO support.
4x4MIMO antenna is needed to achieve that LTE Cat16 1Gbps speeds.
4x4MIMO antenna support from the telekom side in Europe is actually quite poor, as the population density is low to drive that 4x Antenna adoption.
4x4MIMO usage in Asian telecoms networks is actually quite high, due to higher population density.
So in summary, i would recommend definitely to get the Single sim version of XZ1 if you life in Asia as you would get much better LTE speeds out of it.
While the Single sim version would be preferred device for Europe also, you would be still okay to keep using Dual sim version for couple of years.
You can check out which lte carrier aggregation combinations XZ1 G8341 supports here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Itt7bKftWTQtKHs76-pRT5H1KEBYSoI1kdqeGjJpWMU/edit#gid=0
Let me know if your country is missing(check country code from Lists sheet).
Network code is 202-01.
I m between to choose xz1 or xzp (single versions both), I definately need 4x4mimo, my carrier will launch it within few months.
Ca combinations for both devices are almost identical for my network but in total +102 combinations more for xz1.
Will xzp offer same ca combinations in the future (maybe with baseband update)? Or 3gpp release version of each device is one-off?
Xzp dual is also 2x2mimo?
I don't think that XZ Premium will get any more bands support or extra CA combinations that are in XZ1 via baseband update. The new bands and CA in XZ1 are more useful in North American and Asian markets anyway.
You will be in a good situation in Greece Cosmote network with both phones. VoLTE/VoWIFI support for both and decent CA support when in home and traveling abroad.
Personally i would go with XZ1 as it fits in hand much better than XZ Premium. I have "old" XZ and XZ Premium myself, XZ is still the main phone for me.
At the moment single xzp is sold cheaper than xz1.
Also I have a doubt about xz1 battery because I mainly use cellular data network rather than WiFi.
Can my network in the future be upgraded in Sony's ca combination list? Offer more ca combinations/change category? For e.g. they say (network) they may support 7+7+3 60mhz in the near future.
Has xz1 activated 256-Qam for EU region? xzp has.
*I'm a fanatic cellmapper user.
XZ1 and XZ Premium batteries will balance out i think. XZ Premium has bigger battery, but much bigger screen to feed.
The spectrum in Greece for B7,B3,B20 is already pretty well divided, all B7 and B3 and B20 is allocated to providers.
I have made small comparison table just for you. Cosmote Greece and XZ1 vs XZp https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g5KRgOimFopK3dpBd-ajJs6QyA5LH8WDrlqrDSEgqeY/edit?usp=sharing
If operators want more CA combination support in Sony phones, then they need request/pay Sony to do that. Depends if operator plans to use those CA combinations in their network.
XZ1 and XZP both have exact same operator specific configuration file. If you say that XZp has 256QAM then i am pretty sure XZ1 will have that also.
Looking at the hardware capability of both phones and current LTE spectrum holdings of Cosmote Greece, i would see following currently missing CA combinations possible in their network.
38A-7A-3AA-0 (60Mhz total)
38A-20A-3AA-0
38A-20AA-7A-0 (XZ1 only)
38A-20AA-0
B38 20mhz is bought but not used as of today.
Also cosmote has bought a second 10mhz b7 spectrum, but is also not used as of today. Today 10mhz b20, 20mhz b3 and 20mhz b7 is used for 500mbps max using 256qam.When 4x4mimo is launched will possibly upgrade to 900mbps max. using 4x4 on b3 and b7.
Has any network worldwide done 4x4 mimo on b20 (800mhz)?
*this year cosmote is allocating some b8 900mhz from gsm to umts.
4x4 MIMO on 800Mhz(or any other low band) is not possibly on device side, due to physical limitations.
You are welcome to discuss networks and cellmapper in the Telegram chat https://t.me/cellmapper
4x4mimo on b1 2100mhz is supported on xzp and xz1?
My network may allocated it in the far future from umts to LTE.
38A-20AA-7A-0 is supported by xz1 but not from xzp?
Personally i have confirmed 4x4MIMO on "old" XZ B3 B7 B38 - no B1. XZ Premium has been indirectly confirmed to have 4x4MIMO support on B1,B3,B7(no info on B38 or others). I am confident that XZ1 willl match 4x4MIMO support on those bands and probably add support for US bands as well.
Is it sure that dual xz1 g8342 is only 2x2mimo?
Why new ca combinations (for eg those supported from xz1) cant be added to xpz? Its still a flagship.
I am not 100% sure that G8342 is not 4x4MIMO and only 2x2MIMO, but the 2nd sim capability is not "free" and has to come from expense of some cellular(antenna) capability.
Thats why dual sim op3(x12 modem) was only 2CA, Op5(x16 modem) is only 3CA. Also all the Gigabit LTE demos are done using single sim XZp.
Based on these previous information, i have no confidence to recommend dual sim version as 4x4MIMO device.
Anyway you get much better firmware support for single sim version.
It's possible that XZ Premium may get additional CA combinations support, but as it probably requires some kind of certification(money) then i would not hold my breath for that to happen.
No guarantees.
Ok but g8342 dual is advertised as cat.16 only in one sim, so i suppose its 4x4mimo capable. But we need to clarify this.
Has Sony done it before in another device? (To add some ca combinations at a later time).
Kirin 970 soc with 4x4mimo on 3carriers (cat.18) is already out.
Sony added CA combinations using B32(first available to XZs) to XZ, but the band support itself was already there. So a pretty minor addition.
We need root with DRM fix on XZ Premium / XZ1 / XZ1 Compact then we can confirm 4x4MIMO/256QAM support with app Network Signal Guru.
Come and discuss Kirin soc and other stuff in Telegram chat https://t.me/cellmapper Easier than posting here
Sony just started supporting dual versions of both xpz and xz1 for the 1st European country, France.
Thailand 3CA support
Does this line means Thailand will have 40-40-40 support? Does it also mean it will have 256QAM/4X4 MIMO when doing 3CA on band 40 as well?
40C-3AA-0
I will be very interested if it can also do 1-3-8 + 256QAM/4X4 MIMO.
VeixES said:
Europe and Asia use same methods for carrier aggregation, just a bit different LTE bands are used.
Bands and Carrier aggregation support is same for dual sim and single sim version. Difference comes from that the Single sim version has 4x4MIMO antenna support, while Dual sim version has only 2x2MIMO support.
4x4MIMO antenna is needed to achieve that LTE Cat16 1Gbps speeds.
4x4MIMO antenna support from the telekom side in Europe is actually quite poor, as the population density is low to drive that 4x Antenna adoption.
4x4MIMO usage in Asian telecoms networks is actually quite high, due to higher population density.
So in summary, i would recommend definitely to get the Single sim version of XZ1 if you life in Asia as you would get much better LTE speeds out of it.
While the Single sim version would be preferred device for Europe also, you would be still okay to keep using Dual sim version for couple of years.
You can check out which lte carrier aggregation combinations XZ1 G8341 supports here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Itt7bKftWTQtKHs76-pRT5H1KEBYSoI1kdqeGjJpWMU/edit#gid=0
Let me know if your country is missing(check country code from Lists sheet).
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XZ1 Dual G8342 and XZ1 (G8341) both have most CA combinations(136 variations) available in Thailand compared to any country.
Thailand has support for 40C-1 and 40C-1, which are contigious B40 (20+20Mhz). 40D would be the 20+20+20 possibility which it does not have enabled.
It does have support for 40C-3AA and 40C-28AA, both 3CA when B3 and B28 are primary band(second A denotes the primary band).
You can check CA definitions here http://niviuk.free.fr/lte_ca_band.php
While the single sim and dual sim model share exact same CA combinations capability, there are some differences between the 2 devices.
XZ1 Dual G8342 has Customized TH firmware available, meaning that you get 256QAM and VoLTE etc stuff for dtac,ais and truemove. 4x4 MIMO support unconfirmed.
XZ1 (G8341) has no Customized TH firmware, meaning that you will not get any VoLTE(ordinary 3g calling instead), no 256QAM. But 4x4 MIMO is known to be available.
4x4 MIMO on XZ1 (G8341) is supported on bands B1,B3,B7,B38 (North American B2,B4,B66 yet to confirm).
XZ1 Dual G8342 will get you 1-3-8 + 256QAM, but 4x4MIMO on bands B1 and B3 is unknown because have not seen anyone confirm 4x4MIMO on dualsim version yet.
Thanks!!
I'm looking for phones with 40-40-40. However, there doesn't seem to be any of them around.
VeixES said:
XZ1 Dual G8342 and XZ1 (G8341) both have most CA combinations(136 variations) available in Thailand compared to any country.
Thailand has support for 40C-1 and 40C-1, which are contigious B40 (20+20Mhz). 40D would be the 20+20+20 possibility which it does not have enabled.
It does have support for 40C-3AA and 40C-28AA, both 3CA when B3 and B28 are primary band(second A denotes the primary band).
You can check CA definitions here http://niviuk.free.fr/lte_ca_band.php
While the single sim and dual sim model share exact same CA combinations capability, there are some differences between the 2 devices.
XZ1 Dual G8342 has Customized TH firmware available, meaning that you get 256QAM and VoLTE etc stuff for dtac,ais and truemove. 4x4 MIMO support unconfirmed.
XZ1 (G8341) has no Customized TH firmware, meaning that you will not get any VoLTE(ordinary 3g calling instead), no 256QAM. But 4x4 MIMO is known to be available.
4x4 MIMO on XZ1 (G8341) is supported on bands B1,B3,B7,B38 (North American B2,B4,B66 yet to confirm).
XZ1 Dual G8342 will get you 1-3-8 + 256QAM, but 4x4MIMO on bands B1 and B3 is unknown because have not seen anyone confirm 4x4MIMO on dualsim version yet.
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I am looking to buy this phone, but am very cautious because it isn't officially available or supported in Canada. So I am wondering, from those here who have done purchased and use this phone as their main one, what is the Xperiance (heh) like? What works? What doesn't work? Would you recommend it?
Also, what version are you using? I've found a few websites selling the US variant (XQ-BC62), but most of the sellers have the Chinese(?) model (XQ-BC72).
I've read this thread, so I understand that I cannot just simply purchase a non-US model and flash it with a US rom without having LTE issues and no apparent benefit. Was really hoping that was a feasible option to maybe get some carrier features to work. But honestly, I don't care for 5G (besides, Freedom Mobile doesn't even offer 5G), I don't think I have ever used wifi calling, and I doubt phone calls with VoLTE are vastly superior to voice calls without it, so losing out on those features isn't the biggest issue for me. I just want a phone that works, though, and not something I will constantly need to fight with to keep working.
So yeah, if anybody has anything to share, I would greatly appreciate it!
I'm coming to the Xperia 1 III after having a SA 5G phone and IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. The Xperia is always suffering from spotty signal problems while my older T-Mo LG Velvet 5G is solid everywhere, despite the two having the same public spec sheet. The Xperia likes LTE 66 + NR 71, which makes absolutely no sense. LTE 66 is fast but a bit unreliable while NR 71 is ultra-reliable but slow. The Xperia can't operate without LTE 66 so NR 71 is just there to drain the battery and turn on the "5G" indicator. It can't seem to use NR 41 at all. The LG typically uses the best three of NR 2, 4, 41, and 71.
Think about the future:
HSPA is as good as dead. What little of it remains is badly overloaded. No VoLTE/VoNR will soon mean no phone calls.
Newer bands are 5G only
I don't know if it's the latency improvements or the way 5G/LTE bandwidth sharing works, but a saturated cell tower performs a lot better on 5G than LTE.
I'm hoping Sony fixes the BC62 soon or this will be a $$$$ mistake. A bad cell radio is no fun.
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I'm coming to the Xperia 1 III after having a SA 5G phone and IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. The Xperia is always suffering from spotty signal problems while my older T-Mo LG Velvet 5G is solid everywhere, despite the two having the same public spec sheet. The Xperia likes LTE 66 + NR 71, which makes absolutely no sense. LTE 66 is fast but a bit unreliable while NR 71 is ultra-reliable but slow. The Xperia can't operate without LTE 66 so NR 71 is just there to drain the battery and turn on the "5G" indicator. It can't seem to use NR 41 at all. The LG typically uses the best three of NR 2, 4, 41, and 71.
Think about the future:
HSPA is as good as dead. What little of it remains is badly overloaded. No VoLTE/VoNR will soon mean no phone calls.
Newer bands are 5G only
I don't know if it's the latency improvements or the way 5G/LTE bandwidth sharing works, but a saturated cell tower performs a lot better on 5G than LTE.
I'm hoping Sony fixes the BC62 soon or this will be a $$$$ mistake. A bad cell radio is no fun.
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Well that's extremely frustrating to read...
The one phone that checks all the damn boxes regarding hardware, and of course it doesn't actually work well as a phone. You had one job, Sony!
At least that is something that can be fixed, right? But yeah, I'm not really down to spend $1500 CAD on a phone that might work...
I am in Canada and I have XQ-BC72. I am on Fido and I also tried Rogers wireless sim card. NO VOLTE SUPPORTED. Not only volte, no carrier feature are supported (volte, vowifi, voicemail, visual voicemail). However, basic LTE function works fine. The network speed is very good, I think the speed is the standard speed.
A funny thing is I didn't have 4g+ support when I first came to Canada. The network speed is about 40mbps. But I got 4g+ support after I inserted a Rogers sim. I mean insert a Rogers sim and take it out and then insert my Fido card. The 4g+ sign disappeared in a few weeks but the network speed seems remaining the same, which is more than 100mbps now.
Also if you're interested, it doesn't support 5g on Rogers. It might because it's on TW rom, but I don't want to flash my phone and try again since flashing ROMs in other areas makes LTE unusable.
Flashing ROMs doesn't help on carrier support. I am trying to get the carrier support by unlocking my phone this winter. There's a guide on XDA, you can check.
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I am in Canada and I have XQ-BC72. I am on Fido and I also tried Rogers wireless sim card. NO VOLTE SUPPORTED. Not only volte, no carrier feature are supported (volte, vowifi, voicemail, visual voicemail). However, basic LTE function works fine. The network speed is very good, I think the speed is the standard speed.
A funny thing is I didn't have 4g+ support when I first came to Canada. The network speed is about 40mbps. But I got 4g+ support after I inserted a Rogers sim. I mean insert a Rogers sim and take it out and then insert my Fido card. The 4g+ sign disappeared in a few weeks but the network speed seems remaining the same, which is more than 100mbps now.
Also if you're interested, it doesn't support 5g on Rogers. It might because it's on TW rom, but I don't want to flash my phone and try again since flashing ROMs in other areas makes LTE unusable.
Flashing ROMs doesn't help on carrier support. I am trying to get the carrier support by unlocking my phone this winter. There's a guide on XDA, you can check.
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This guide?
I'll wait before pulling the trigger then and see how it goes for you. I tried contacting Freedom Mobile to see if there was a chance they approve this phone for their network, but the response was basically "we don't recommend getting unsupported devices, just get a Samsung" lol...
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This guide?
I'll wait before pulling the trigger then and see how it goes for you. I tried contacting Freedom Mobile to see if there was a chance they approve this phone for their network, but the response was basically "we don't recommend getting unsupported devices, just get a Samsung" lol...
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I think it is okay if you don't care about 5g. I'm here using the phone for three months without any problem. Actually, I don't use voice calls that much and I don't have any scenario that I need network while calling. The 3g call quality is fine and I think even better than WhatsApp. It's a good phone for daily use though.
kevinmcmurtrie said:
I'm coming to the Xperia 1 III after having a SA 5G phone and IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. The Xperia is always suffering from spotty signal problems while my older T-Mo LG Velvet 5G is solid everywhere, despite the two having the same public spec sheet. The Xperia likes LTE 66 + NR 71, which makes absolutely no sense. LTE 66 is fast but a bit unreliable while NR 71 is ultra-reliable but slow. The Xperia can't operate without LTE 66 so NR 71 is just there to drain the battery and turn on the "5G" indicator. It can't seem to use NR 41 at all. The LG typically uses the best three of NR 2, 4, 41, and 71.
Think about the future:
HSPA is as good as dead. What little of it remains is badly overloaded. No VoLTE/VoNR will soon mean no phone calls.
Newer bands are 5G only
I don't know if it's the latency improvements or the way 5G/LTE bandwidth sharing works, but a saturated cell tower performs a lot better on 5G than LTE.
I'm hoping Sony fixes the BC62 soon or this will be a $$$$ mistake. A bad cell radio is no fun.
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Yikes. That's a pretty disappointing read.
kevinmcmurtrie said:
I'm coming to the Xperia 1 III after having a SA 5G phone and IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. The Xperia is always suffering from spotty signal problems while my older T-Mo LG Velvet 5G is solid everywhere, despite the two having the same public spec sheet. The Xperia likes LTE 66 + NR 71, which makes absolutely no sense. LTE 66 is fast but a bit unreliable while NR 71 is ultra-reliable but slow. The Xperia can't operate without LTE 66 so NR 71 is just there to drain the battery and turn on the "5G" indicator. It can't seem to use NR 41 at all. The LG typically uses the best three of NR 2, 4, 41, and 71.
Think about the future:
HSPA is as good as dead. What little of it remains is badly overloaded. No VoLTE/VoNR will soon mean no phone calls.
Newer bands are 5G only
I don't know if it's the latency improvements or the way 5G/LTE bandwidth sharing works, but a saturated cell tower performs a lot better on 5G than LTE.
I'm hoping Sony fixes the BC62 soon or this will be a $$$$ mistake. A bad cell radio is no fun.
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Sony Xperia 1 III (US) (XQ-BC62) | 4G/5G Bands & Combos
4G & 5G Bands, Carrier Aggregation and Dual Connectivity Combinations for Sony Xperia 1 III (US) (XQ-BC62)
cacombos.com
This is a list of all the supported 4G + 5G combos for the Xperia 1 III
kevinmcmurtrie said:
I'm coming to the Xperia 1 III after having a SA 5G phone and IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. The Xperia is always suffering from spotty signal problems while my older T-Mo LG Velvet 5G is solid everywhere, despite the two having the same public spec sheet. The Xperia likes LTE 66 + NR 71, which makes absolutely no sense. LTE 66 is fast but a bit unreliable while NR 71 is ultra-reliable but slow. The Xperia can't operate without LTE 66 so NR 71 is just there to drain the battery and turn on the "5G" indicator. It can't seem to use NR 41 at all. The LG typically uses the best three of NR 2, 4, 41, and 71.
Think about the future:
HSPA is as good as dead. What little of it remains is badly overloaded. No VoLTE/VoNR will soon mean no phone calls.
Newer bands are 5G only
I don't know if it's the latency improvements or the way 5G/LTE bandwidth sharing works, but a saturated cell tower performs a lot better on 5G than LTE.
I'm hoping Sony fixes the BC62 soon or this will be a $$$$ mistake. A bad cell radio is no fun.
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I think I found your answer.
According to this website (www.cacombos.com), the T-Mobile LG Velvet supports more carrier aggregation combos with 5G on T-Mobile:
LG Velvet 5G (T-Mobile USA) (LM-G900TM) | 4G/5G Bands & Combos
4G & 5G Bands, Carrier Aggregation and Dual Connectivity Combinations for LG Velvet 5G (T-Mobile USA) (LM-G900TM)
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Whereas, the Xperia 1 III can only pick up that Band 66 + n71 if it is also paired with LTE band 2, apparently:
Sony Xperia 1 III (US) (XQ-BC62) | 4G/5G Bands & Combos
4G & 5G Bands, Carrier Aggregation and Dual Connectivity Combinations for Sony Xperia 1 III (US) (XQ-BC62)
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This site takes the band info directly from the phones' respective modem logs, so this is as accurate as it can get.
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Forbesii said:
Hey, I unlocked my phone and did some tricks to toggle VoLTE and VoWiFi on. But, unfortunately, my phone provider Fido and its mama Rogers wireless don't support non-fido and non-rogers phones. Posts on the fido forum can confirm that. So, I cannot ensure if the VoLTE really works on my phone, but I've tried a Telus SIM card before I did my tricks; the result was the voicemail appeared in the dialer app, which is a good sign isn't it?
I read the post in the forum for enabling VoLTE but I cannot understand even a word... So I didn't try the method in their video and post. In addition, there's a lot of difference between South Korea and Canada. The Qualcomm software seems to recognize his carrier in their video but my Qualcomm software didn't, so I gave up following their guide.
If you want more information about the trick, I created a magisk module and you can try on your carrier. I think Freedom is not blocking non-freedom phones. I also see someone succeed in getting VoLTE by adding mbn files.
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Hey Do you have a link to someone succeeding in getting VoLTE?
would this work on the 5iii? It looks like this is the pixel mbn.
@astracd had said because the chip is different, it wouldn't work on the xperia.
Yes, you guys need to find mbn file from phone with same chipset that has mbn for rogers or fido.
Hey. I got 5G, VoLTE, VoWiFi work on my phone. The bad news is there's only mbn files for Rogers, Bell and Telus.
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Hey. I got 5G, VoLTE, VoWiFi work on my phone. The bad news is there's only mbn files for Rogers, Bell and Telus.
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How did you get the MBN files? As far as I was aware, Sony doesn't provide them and you need one specific to the phone/chipset, no?
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How did you get the MBN files? As far as I was aware, Sony doesn't provide them and you need one specific to the phone/chipset, no?
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Sony does, but they software locked these files. The MBN files are already in your phone.
Forbesii said:
Hey. I got 5G, VoLTE, VoWiFi work on my phone. The bad news is there's only mbn files for Rogers, Bell and Telus.
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Can you give more details on this? I'm looking to buy a sony xperia 1 III or IV, and I need to figure out if VoLTE / 5G / VoWiFi will work on Rogers.
cloneman1 said:
Can you give more details on this? I'm looking to buy a sony xperia 1 III or IV, and I need to figure out if VoLTE / 5G / VoWiFi will work on Rogers.
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Never use non-Rogers or non-fido phone with Rogers/fido. Even though we have the mbn files. I was with fido and I borrowed a Rogers sim for testing. Sadly the results was I can't have anything work on fido and only 5G worked on Rogers but slower than LTE. Non of them has VoLTE or VoWoFi working. Rogers the company is famous for blocking phones from registering IMS which is the key of VoLTE and VoWiFi. So I switched to Virgin plus.
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Never use non-Rogers or non-fido phone with Rogers/fido. Even though we have the mbn files. I was with fido and I borrowed a Rogers sim for testing. Sadly the results was I can't have anything work on fido and only 5G worked on Rogers but slower than LTE. Non of them has VoLTE or VoWoFi working. Rogers the company is famous for blocking phones from registering IMS which is the key of VoLTE and VoWiFi. So I switched to Virgin plus.
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So what features work for you on virgin with the Xperia 1 IV? us or Intl version
cloneman1 said:
So what features work for you on virgin with the Xperia 1 IV? us or Intl version
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I have an XQ-BC72 (intl. ver.). I can guarantee that VoLTE and VoWiFi work on Virgin and Kodoo; since they are the sub-companies, I assume that will work on Bell (Virgin’s parent) and Telus (Kodoo’s parent). Also I can guarantee that 5G is working on Rogers; I guess 5G would work on other twos and speed would be much better if it’s a US version phone since US and Canada has very similar bands. It is proven that VoLTE and VoWiFi WOULD NOT work on any Rogers and Rogers’ sub-companies. I will keep trying these features on other carriers.
ViLTE is not tested because I am still finding out how to trigger the feature, but unfortunately I only have another iPhone with me.
Please aware that all these things would work AFTER you unlock and root your phone. Canadian is not officially supported by SONY which is very weird.
Forbesii said:
I have an XQ-BC72 (intl. ver.). I can guarantee that VoLTE and VoWiFi work on Virgin and Kodoo; since they are the sub-companies, I assume that will work on Bell (Virgin’s parent) and Telus (Kodoo’s parent). Also I can guarantee that 5G is working on Rogers; I guess 5G would work on other twos and speed would be much better if it’s a US version phone since US and Canada has very similar bands. It is proven that VoLTE and VoWiFi WOULD NOT work on any Rogers and Rogers’ sub-companies. I will keep trying these features on other carriers.
ViLTE is not tested because I am still finding out how to trigger the feature, but unfortunately I only have another iPhone with me.
Please aware that all these things would work AFTER you unlock and root your phone. Canadian is not officially supported by SONY which is very weird.
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So if 5G is working on Rogers, and you place a phone call, it drops to 3G? lol.
The rest of your story is good news.
Hi,
has anyone experience with this Phone in the US ?
I having a -Mobile (USA) card in it and have mostly no Cell service, and if a Cell service than only 2 G
Thanks for your feedback
looking at
Sony Xperia 1 IV - Full phone specifications
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T-Mobile network
Learn about coverage and technologies of the T-Mobile network, including a 5G and 4G LTE Coverage map, device compatibility, and more.
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Cheat sheet: which 4G LTE bands do AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint use in the USA?
What are the 4G LTE bands supported by AT&T in 2019? Do they differ from the 4G LTE bands that T-Mobile uses? And what about Verizon Wireless massive 4G LTE network and its supported frequency bands? And where is Sprint left in the 4G LTE picture? What Verizon bands are currently in use? What...
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most of the things should work
I did look on this specs first, after I got it seems like there is something additional. There is one spot I get a super connection but 90% of the time weak or no Service at all. I have tried many phones before but none of them even had such bad reception. And there supposed to be even the Tmobile 5G 71 Band. It looks to me someone sold a restricted fu.... Asia version without mentioning it
go to settings and all the way down you should see your model number. Considering that USA specific is not out yet you most likely have asian one which is XQ-CT72. EU one is CT54.
But those should work on t-mobile network, most of the bands are there. And those are low bands, so longer range.
It runs at limited feature support. Sony disables VoWIfi for US models and many other features including Bluetooth features such as Bluetooth meta data.
Sony blames T-Mobile for limited feature set. you will need to root your phone to hack up the build to enable VoWifi and other features.
This feud between Sony and T-Mobile has been going on for the past 10 years and Sony still playing ignorant to US market.
if you don't care about such limited feature set, Xperia 1 IV should still work on TMO
I just got my phone yesterday and realized the same thing happened to me, I didn't have service where I used to but I managed to get it working by: going to settings, then network and internet, then Sims, scroll down to access point names. And two options should pop up, I changed mine to T-mobile US LTE.. And restart, which worked for me.
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It runs at limited feature support. Sony disables VoWIfi for US models and many other features including Bluetooth features such as Bluetooth meta data.
Sony blames T-Mobile for limited feature set. you will need to root your phone to hack up the build to enable VoWifi and other features.
This feud between Sony and T-Mobile has been going on for the past 10 years and Sony still playing ignorant to US market.
if you don't care about such limited feature set, Xperia 1 IV should still work on TMO
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Are you saying the the imported version of the Xperia 1 iv does support VoWifi or neither one will on any USA carrier
kuau said:
Are you saying the the imported version of the Xperia 1 iv does support VoWifi or neither one will on any USA carrier
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that is correct, the issue is more related to Sony software rather than just the region. the only way to get VoWifi is to root your phone and disable sony software limitations
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that is correct, the issue is more related to Sony software rather than just the region. the only way to get VoWifi is to root your phone and disable sony software limitations
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Is there a guide for this? Not having wifi calling is the main thing holding me back from pre-ordering
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Is there a guide for this? Not having wifi calling is the main thing holding me back from pre-ordering
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yeah this guide should work, its for the Xperia 1 III, I would think it would work for the IV, I just switched to goggleFI to get Wifi calling with out having to do anything.
Getting VoLTE and VoWiFi on unlisted carriers by flashing mbn file
I live in Canada and I have a BC72 (Asian version). I am struggling to get VoLTE and VoWiFi working. I know that mbn file is the key to getting IMS support and sony seems to block some carrier mbn files (only mbn in sales areas are available). So...
forum.xda-developers.com
I have been using the XQ-CT72 here in michigan on GoogleFi, which is basically t-mobile, in my town where I live, I get 5G without doing anything to the phone, but with that said, I work 20 miles out in rural area and apparently from my research tmobile use band 71 for 5G in rural areas, I can get LTE+ but no 5g at work, my Pixel 6 pro can get 5g but its like 1 to 2 bars that`s it, but with my sony I get full bars of better signal on LTE+ with my Sony, since the Sony is missing the n71 band for 5G, but I`m fine with what I get, since at work I` m on wifi anyways, I`m happy with my purchase, I originally had the US model on pre-order and the release date was pushed back to Sept. 22-23, so I cancelled my pre-order and bought a new one on ebay for 1069.00 compared to sony wanted 1599.00 for US mode
EDIT: I ended up send it back to seller, the 5g icon was not really 5g, if you're in the USA I would wait and buy the USA version, which I pre-ordered from Sony website, expected ship date is 22-23
moving to GoogleFI is the best option to use this phone in the USA. it will utilize Tmobile USA and have all feature enables.
Can anyone comment on Verizon compatibility with this device?
If really like to save some money and not buy the bootloader locked na version (if locked is still a thing)
Thanks
svntsvn said:
Can anyone comment on Verizon compatibility with this device?
If really like to save some money and not buy the bootloader locked na version (if locked is still a thing)
Thanks
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Only way to know for sure it to just buy it and try it for your usecases. Just buy it somewhere with a good return policy. I bought mine on Ebay with a 30-day return policy and so far it works fine on AT&T. Just make sure you do the trick where you disable dual-sim. (Google the details, it's somewhere here on XDA or on Reddit).
I bought my USA variant phone a week ago, and everything on T-Mobile works with the exception of Wi-Fi calling. The only alternative we have is to stop using T-Mobile and switch over to Google fi which does support Wi-Fi calling. Other than that my phone is flying super smooth and with fast performance like I've never believed compared to my old LG v30 Plus. I'm definitely impressed with this phone.
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Can anyone comment on Verizon compatibility with this device?
If really like to save some money and not buy the bootloader locked na version (if locked is still a thing)
Thanks
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I'm using mine (XQ-CT62) in the Verizon network. Reception is not the best in the area where I'm but it works with no problem
Is that a coverage thing most likely, or the device itself? Rural area?
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Is that a coverage thing most likely, or the device itself? Rural area?
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From a technical point of view, the phone should work on all carriers in the USA without issues, (with the exception of the Sony/T-Mobile Wi-Fi Calling issue that forces those who want Wi-Fi calling to switch to Google Fi, Mint Mobile, and other MVNOs).
Whatever service is in the area should work. Verizon will provision your phone to work with it's network. CDMA based carriers are supported per Sony's phone settings, so I would just go for it.