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We all love V30. We all wait LG V30 and real photo/video comparison. V30 is the phone with all good things. And the main thing what are we waiting for is camera.
So I search to see witch camera did V30 have and it is Sony IMX351, with 1,6 aperture, with 1pixel size. This means that small pixel is not so good for low lightcand for the details. V30 will catch photos without noise because 1.6 aperture but not so much light in the dark because 1 pixel size. And this camera sensor Huawei P10 use it for front camera. This make me a big disappointed. Why they use a average camera? The competition (Samsung, Google, Appel) use camera with big pixels.
Last night I watch google pixel 2 and how DXOMark write the best phone camera on the market.
Samsung and Appel have very good camera.
Where here is V30? In the middle? Or near like them?
So what you think? Is this camera sensor very bad or not? Is Possible to V30 with software make very good camera?
P. S. And OIS is veey bad on V30, every video is shake so much. Is possible with updates to make OIS+EIS for better stabilization?
isko01 said:
Hi to all,
We all love V30. We all wait LG V30 and real photo/video comparison. V30 is the phone with all good things. And the main thing what are we waiting for is camera.
So I search to see witch camera did V30 have and it is Sony IMX351, with 1,6 aperture, with 1pixel size. This means that small pixel is not so good for low lightcand for the details. V30 will catch photos without noise because 1.6 aperture but not so much light in the dark because 1 pixel size. And this camera sensor Huawei P10 use it for front camera. This make me a big disappointed. Why they use a average camera? The competition (Samsung, Google, Appel) use camera with big pixels.
Last night I watch google pixel 2 and how DXOMark write the best phone camera on the market.
Samsung and Appel have very good camera.
Where here is V30? In the middle? Or near like them?
So what you think? Is this camera sensor very bad or not? Is Possible to V30 with software make very good camera?
P. S. And OIS is veey bad on V30, every video is shake so much. Is possible with updates to make OIS+EIS for better stabilization?
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I think this will answer your question, v30 is as good as xl
https://youtu.be/OCqBHavIuAY
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I think this will answer your question, v30 is as good as xl
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Thx a lot for your answer but is this user credible? How did he get Pixel and V30? :/ is this true?
isko01 said:
Thx a lot for your answer but is this user credible? How did he get Pixel and V30? :/ is this true?
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His channel is very popular, I don't think he would lie about the devices he compares. After the presentation of the pixel xl, testers could take the phones for a test ride outside. Also same way lg gave test units to some youtubers, that's how he can have both. So you can believe the credibility of this video although unfortunately front-facing camera is a disappointment an there's not much lg can do about that
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I'll know soon enough. I ended up pre-ordering one from my carrier a few minutes ago. Says it'll ship anywhere between today and Monday. (Not that I trust that estimate but fingers crossed that it is true.) If it ships today and I have it in hand by the weekend, I have a standard set of tests I can run on it. Otherwise, hopefully it is still here so I can use it at a concert on Wednesday. I'm keeping my V20 so I'll be able to side by side with that.
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I'll know soon enough. I ended up pre-ordering one from my carrier a few minutes ago. Says it'll ship anywhere between today and Monday. (Not that I trust that estimate but fingers crossed that it is true.) If it ships today and I have it in hand by the weekend, I have a standard set of tests I can run on it. Otherwise, hopefully it is still here so I can use it at a concert on Wednesday. I'm keeping my V20 so I'll be able to side by side with that.
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Hi I would be very interested in the results of your tests and especially the quality you get at the live concert! Please share if you have the time ☺ also a comparison of the audio recording capabilities of the V30 vs those of the v20! They should be quite similar in quality
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Hi I would be very interested in the results of your tests and especially the quality you get at the live concert! Please share if you have the time also a comparison of the audio recording capabilities of the V30 vs those of the v20! They should be quite similar in quality
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We will see! I also frequent a dark jazz club a lot here in KC. So I have plenty of opportunities to test audio and video in the absolute worst conditions. I can tell you that the V20 mics using just the HD Audio app that it came up with picks up things pretty clearly. Unfortunately, it also picks up the other people in the club talking too. That's not a knock against the phone though. I'll be interested in seeing how the directional mics compare while recording video. Although, I still need to figure out those sliders.
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I'll know soon enough. I ended up pre-ordering one from my carrier a few minutes ago. Says it'll ship anywhere between today and Monday. (Not that I trust that estimate but fingers crossed that it is true.) If it ships today and I have it in hand by the weekend, I have a standard set of tests I can run on it. Otherwise, hopefully it is still here so I can use it at a concert on Wednesday. I'm keeping my V20 so I'll be able to side by side with that.
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Thx a lot my friend I hope you will enjoy I will your new phone. The V30 is the phone what all we want it is just All In One phone, but just we need really camera comparison. And I hope that they will release full good update for camera.
P. S. Yes, someone will tell if you want good camera buy DSLR, that's true but if I want to buy flagship phone I want with good camera.
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We will see! I also frequent a dark jazz club a lot here in KC. So I have plenty of opportunities to test audio and video in the absolute worst conditions. I can tell you that the V20 mics using just the HD Audio app that it came up with picks up things pretty clearly. Unfortunately, it also picks up the other people in the club talking too. That's not a knock against the phone though. I'll be interested in seeing how the directional mics compare while recording video. Although, I still need to figure out those sliders.
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Looking forward very much to these tests! Thank you so much! I heard a rumour that the V30 mikes cannot be directed like the v20 could but it could be nonsense there are two mikes instead of the three in the v20
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Thx a lot my friend I hope you will enjoy I will your new phone. The V30 is the phone what all we want it is just All In One phone, but just we need really camera comparison. And I hope that they will release full good update for camera.
P. S. Yes, someone will tell if you want good camera buy DSLR, that's true but if I want to buy flagship phone I want with good camera.
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Ha! I'm a bit of a photographer already. I shoot with a full frame DSLR and a smaller mirror less in addition to my cellphones. To tell you the truth, I only drag my DSLR out for road trips and special shooting conditions. At this point I do most of my shooting with smaller sensors like my mirror less or cellphone. DSLR sensors are too clinically clean for my tastes. I just reset my Flickr account settings so people can see which shots are done with which camera:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/
I will say that when I shoot, most of the shots are going to end up in B&W. That's just my shooting preference.
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Looking forward very much to these tests! Thank you so much! I heard a rumour that the V30 mikes cannot be directed like the v20 could but it could be nonsense there are two mikes instead of the three in the v20
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The information about the V30 is a bit confusing. I've looked my V20 over and over for the three mics it's listed as having and only ever saw two holes for mics, one on top and one on the bottom. In the JerryRig tear down of the V30, he does point out something interesting though. He points out the same two mics but then mentions that the phone's earpiece becomes a mic in very loud conditions. I'm guessing the V20 did the same then and explains why the sound when testing video recording sounds different than if I am just doing audio recording without video.
As for whether the mics are directional or not while recording video, I swear I saw one video where someone was demonstrating it on the V30. Only problem is that I've watched just about every V30 video on YouTube from a lot of the larger tech contributors that I will have a hell of a time trying to go back and look for it. I suspect it will be there.
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Ha! I'm a bit of a photographer already. I shoot with a full frame DSLR and a smaller mirror less in addition to my cellphones. To tell you the truth, I only drag my DSLR out for road trips and special shooting conditions. At this point I do most of my shooting with smaller sensors like my mirror less or cellphone. DSLR sensors are too clinically clean for my tastes. I just reset my Flickr account settings so people can see which shots are done with which camera:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/
I will say that when I shoot, most of the shots are going to end up in B&W. That's just my shooting preference.
The information about the V30 is a bit confusing. I've looked my V20 over and over for the three mics it's listed as having and only ever saw two holes for mics, one on top and one on the bottom. In the JerryRig tear down of the V30, he does point out something interesting though. He points out the same two mics but then mentions that the phone's earpiece becomes a mic in very loud conditions. I'm guessing the V20 did the same then and explains why the sound when testing video recording sounds different than if I am just doing audio recording without video.
As for whether the mics are directional or not while recording video, I swear I saw one video where someone was demonstrating it on the V30. Only problem is that I've watched just about every V30 video on YouTube from a lot of the larger tech contributors that I will have a hell of a time trying to go back and look for it. I suspect it will be there.
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Waaoo thx you a lot. I hope a good camera comparison (test) for LG V30 from you. And, your photos are very nice
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In the JerryRig tear down of the V30, he does point out something interesting though. He points out the same two mics but then mentions that the phone's earpiece becomes a mic in very loud conditions.
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Yes, like concerts. That was very interesting part of the video.
In LG official web site, now they put info about camera. It is good it see that Slow Motion have 240fps at 720p. But too bad it is not 1080p...
LG V30 camera is phenomenal, Saw a comparison between the Galaxy Note 8, the LG V30 did a lot better, specially the rear cameras., LG V30 should have been released faster and for the DXOmark scores, the V30 should score higher than Galaxy Note 8.
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LG V30 camera is phenomenal, Saw a comparison between the Galaxy Note 8, the LG V30 did a lot better, specially the rear cameras., LG V30 should have been released faster and for the DXOmark scores, the V30 should score higher than Galaxy Note 8.
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I hope that will be soon very good comparison between last flagships.
I'm not a grammar Nazi but its not old enough to be past tense.... "Does the v30 have a crappy camera?"
Guys as a long time htc user, I have been on xda for a long time just for htc mega thread. After doing a little research, I noticed that there's no such thread for lg, there are separate threads for lg devices but no mega thread where all but mostly latest devices are discussed. Can someone start a thread like that?
Also if you can read or don't mind translating Korean language, here's an amazingly detailed review of lg v30
http://m.post.naver.com/viewer/post...No=11981539&searchKeyword=lg v30&searchRank=2
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CHH2 said:
Ha! I'm a bit of a photographer already. I shoot with a full frame DSLR and a smaller mirror less in addition to my cellphones. To tell you the truth, I only drag my DSLR out for road trips and special shooting conditions. At this point I do most of my shooting with smaller sensors like my mirror less or cellphone. DSLR sensors are too clinically clean for my tastes. I just reset my Flickr account settings so people can see which shots are done with which camera:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/
I will say that when I shoot, most of the shots are going to end up in B&W. That's just my shooting preference.
The information about the V30 is a bit confusing. I've looked my V20 over and over for the three mics it's listed as having and only ever saw two holes for mics, one on top and one on the bottom. In the JerryRig tear down of the V30, he does point out something interesting though. He points out the same two mics but then mentions that the phone's earpiece becomes a mic in very loud conditions. I'm guessing the V20 did the same then and explains why the sound when testing video recording sounds different than if I am just doing audio recording without video.
As for whether the mics are directional or not while recording video, I swear I saw one video where someone was demonstrating it on the V30. Only problem is that I've watched just about every V30 video on YouTube from a lot of the larger tech contributors that I will have a hell of a time trying to go back and look for it. I suspect it will be there.
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Thank you! You mentioned that the audio recording quality changes between using the camera while on video vs recording only audio with the dedicated audio recording app on the LG, which one gets you the better audio and utilises the earpiece as a mic please? Are you able to record high pitches like a flute or sax on the high register and drum sets?
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Guys as a long time htc user, I have been on xda for a long time just for htc mega thread. After doing a little research, I noticed that there's no such thread for lg, there are separate threads for lg devices but no mega thread where all but mostly latest devices are discussed. Can someone start a thread like that?
Also if you can read or don't mind translating Korean language, here's an amazingly detailed review of lg v30
http://m.post.naver.com/viewer/post...No=11981539&searchKeyword=lg v30&searchRank=2
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Thx a lot for this web site. How I see that everything is nice. But the camera is still (I think) bad. The V20 have better photos at night, and V30 dont have so good dynamic range. What's wrong with V30? Softwear problem or hardware?
isko01 said:
Thx a lot for your answer but is this user credible? How did he get Pixel and V30? :/ is this true?
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No. it's obvious fake
Those are true
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If it ships today and I have it in hand by the weekend, I have a standard set of tests I can run on it.
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Oh, please run those
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I found a couple of G2 photosets on flickr. They look better than the older leaked photos.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157635455147754/with/9708113419/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lgblog_de/sets/72157635373615615/with/9670122433/
Post any other pictures and videos you may find. I know some of you suckers already have the G2 from AT&T. Let me see what you're made of.
Thanks for the links! I am very interested to see how the camera compares to the Note 3. And these pictures look pretty good!
I was definitely going to get the Note 3 until I read it doesn't have OIS, now I am considering the G2... And the price is pretty good also. Only $575 off contract vs $725 for the Note 3 on AT&T.
Yes, those pics look awesome!!
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bleclair said:
Thanks for the links! I am very interested to see how the camera compares to the Note 3. And these pictures look pretty good!
I was definitely going to get the Note 3 until I read it doesn't have OIS, now I am considering the G2... And the price is pretty good also. Only $575 off contract vs $725 for the Note 3 on AT&T.
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The Note 3 has OIS...
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The Note 3 has OIS...
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No it doesnt, Note 3 has digital image stabilisation.
Yep, and in my opinion there is HUGE difference between that and hardware OIS...
Makes so many more of my pictures keepers.
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Yep, and in my opinion there is HUGE difference between that and hardware OIS...
Makes so many more of my pictures keepers.
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Well I saw this yesterday
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Camera-shootout-Note-3-vs-Galaxy-S4-vs-G2-vs-iPhone-5-vs-One_id47239
I can't find any definitive proof that the Note 3 doesn't have OIS. The O in OIS stands for optical, so there is no such thing as a digital OIS. That's just simple image stabilization, without the O.
Nvm. Poopoo it doesn't have it. I wasn't planning on getting it anyway. No one bothers to mention it besides dpreview. At least I can rely on them to get the camera specs right.
http://connect.dpreview.com/post/7967117746/hands-on-with-samsung-gaalxy-note-iii
So far the LG G2 is my fallback plan. The Xperia Z1 has established itself as having an awful camera, and screen, and is big and heavy for a small 5". The Note 3 is more of the same. I am sick of my cheap ass built Note 2 with squishy cover. No plans to upgrade to the same thing. My only hope is the Oppo N1 comes out to be amazing, and has a killer camera. All other companies have laid out their disappointing hands.
Any real world photos yet? I know a few of you have this beast
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Any real world photos yet? I know a few of you have this beast
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Here's a quick one of my dog.
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Yeah, I'd love to see more actual user pictures also!
I would like a bigger screen than my HTC One, but I really like the camera on it and want to see what the G2 is capable of....
bleclair said:
Yeah, I'd love to see more actual user pictures also!
I would like a bigger screen than my HTC One, but I really like the camera on it and want to see what the G2 is capable of....
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There are already a bunch of shootouts and comparisons out there. The HTC camera has only 4MP so it looks blurry no matter what. It couldn't compare to 8MP cameras, much less the newer 13MP ones right now. HTC also has very bad processing with weird colors and heavy sharpening and noise removal. It was one of the best low light shooters on Android, but the G2 can compete with OIS, and has much better resolution.
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There are already a bunch of shootouts and comparisons out there. The HTC camera has only 4MP so it looks blurry no matter what. It couldn't compare to 8MP cameras, much less the newer 13MP ones right now. HTC also has very bad processing with weird colors and heavy sharpening and noise removal. It was one of the best low light shooters on Android, but the G2 can compete with OIS, and has much better resolution.
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Most of the pictures I've seen are from reviewers, not average users and that's what I'd like to see.
Just because the HTC One only has 4mp doesn't automatically mean blurry... I'm a crap photographer which I'll readily admit and I've got some great shots on the HTC One by just pointing and clicking. Here are a couple examples... If the G2 can do better, I'll be really happy with it! I'm tempted to head to an AT&T store this morning.
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Most of the pictures I've seen are from reviewers, not average users and that's what I'd like to see.
Just because the HTC One only has 4mp doesn't automatically mean blurry... I'm a crap photographer which I'll readily admit and I've got some great shots on the HTC One by just pointing and clicking. Here are a couple examples... If the G2 can do better, I'll be really happy with it! I'm tempted to head to an AT&T store this morning.
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You are right in a way. I have HTC One too but pictures become blur as you start to zoom-in because it is only 4MP. Whereas 13MP on the other hand has 3 times more detail in the picture. And to make the point clear, in a common user perspective G2 can blow HTC one out of water (in camera).
A quick pic I took in my office yesterday. Auto settings, didn't change anything.
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Some pics from yesterday, not really trying just pointing and shooting. Also i had changed my lcd density without setting the xposed framework to put the camera back at 480 so auto focus was confused the entire time.
http://imgur.com/a/CosU6
Those look really good for just point and shoot! Thanks!
One more from breakfast today, its still overcast outside. (Coast)
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Here's a quick one of my dog.
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Damn dude he is a cutey..is that a dooberman mix? Maybe a rotty?
Quick pic of our tall skinny sunflower
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I've read/watched lots of a reviews.
Even though not every review gives negative comments about the Camera, none of them are jumping up and down raving about it.
I could deal with a slightly better camera than the M8. But at 20 mega pixels snaps that's gonna chew through space really quick. Yes, I understand it's compressed but so is every other camera (including the M8's).
Even now, by far, pictures/videos are the largest resource to "manage" on the phone. Already slow backing them up over the exact same resources as M8 (USB 2.0, WIFI, Sluggish Sprint Network at times).
And let's not forget MMS.
So now with a 5x larger base image and it's only Marginally better (on the positive reviews). It should be screaming quality for that added cost of resources.
I have the M9 sitting in a sealed box and can't decide to open it.
I sure hope the Camera Update makes it a screaming better camera. If it was as a good as say the Samsung S5 16 mega pixel, I'd open it enthusiastically right now. But it sounds like it's not.
There isn't much else the phone has to over the M8 other than the Camera.
Anyone else waiting for reviews of this Camera update before jumping in?
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I've read/watched lots of a reviews.
Even though not every review gives negative comments about the Camera, none of them are jumping up and down raving about it.
I could deal with a slightly better camera than the M8. But at 20 mega pixels snaps that's gonna chew through space really quick. Yes, I understand it's compressed but so is every other camera (including the M8's).
Even now, by far, pictures/videos are the largest resource to "manage" on the phone. Already slow backing them up over the exact same resources as M8 (USB 2.0, WIFI, Sluggish Sprint Network at times).
And let's not forget MMS.
So now with a 5x larger base image and it's only Marginally better (on the positive reviews). It should be screaming quality for that added cost of resources.
I have the M9 sitting in a sealed box and can't decide to open it.
I sure hope the Camera Update makes it a screaming better camera. If it was as a good as say the Samsung S5 16 mega pixel, I'd open it enthusiastically right now. But it sounds like it's not.
There isn't much else the phone has to over the M8 other than the Camera.
Anyone else waiting for reviews of this Camera update before jumping in?
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tl/dr, but I personally am quite happy with this camera. I have owned a LG G2 and G3 also.. as well as every flagship HTC since PPC 6800 of course.
edit: I do like my photos to look right on a large monitor.... kids and all... Here is one as an example. Flowers M9
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tl/dr, but I personally am quite happy with this camera. I have owned a LG G2 and G3 also.. as well as every flagship HTC since PPC 6800 of course.
edit: I do like my photos to look right on a large monitor.... kids and all... Here is one as an example. Flowers M9
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Thanks for the sample. Nice photo. Might go to sprint store to check it out before I crack it open.
Did you have the M8?
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Thanks for the sample. Nice photo. Might go to sprint store to check it out before I crack it open.
Did you have the M8?
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yeah, a couple. selling the last one when my next M9 shows up... This cam blows it to pieces outside of extreme low light, and hangs with the G3, which impressed me greatly for a phone.
The thing is- the pre-release models were diff somehow. I don't want to say more on that but don't be averted by the early reviews. If you have one sitting there, open the damn thing up! lol
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I've read/watched lots of a reviews.
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Check this post out for a good camera review.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2411840
M8 is good too. Software is fully optimized. M9 is not so optimized yet. HTC will ? ?.
Cheers
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Is possible to increase bitrate of 240 fps slow motion which is 10mbps? It will be much better video quality if it possible to put on 25mbps like GoPro Hero 6.
I don't see the option to do so. Of course, I also don't see the same amount of space dedicated to imaging in a cellphone that I see in a GoPro or any camera for that matter.
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I don't see the option to do so. Of course, I also don't see the same amount of space dedicated to imaging in a cellphone that I see in a GoPro or any camera for that matter.
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Yes I know that, but still Samsung S7, S8 have more bitrate then 10mbps
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Yes I know that, but still Samsung S7, S8 have more bitrate then 10mbps
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A) What are they using?
B) Is it actually enough of a difference that most people can tell?
C) Is it enough to produce image quality that you would ditch using a GoPro for this same work?
D) What penalty is incurred for using this higher bitrate?
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Hi to all
Is possible to increase bitrate of 240 fps slow motion which is 10mbps? It will be much better video quality if it possible to put on 25mbps like GoPro Hero 6.
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Is it possible to change the bitrate on any phone, especially without root? I'm not aware that it's possible to do this. Can you change resolution while recording in 240fps? I haven't tried on V30 but Don't XZ premium is stuck at 720p when recording at 960fps.
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A) What are they using?
B) Is it actually enough of a difference that most people can tell?
C) Is it enough to produce image quality that you would ditch using a GoPro for this same work?
D) What penalty is incurred for using this higher bitrate?
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I just ask because thay are very big difference in slow motion quality in V30 and. smasung S7, S8, Note 8, Iphone 6, 7, 8 and etc...
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Is it possible to change the bitrate on any phone, especially without root? I'm not aware that it's possible to do this. Can you change resolution while recording in 240fps? I haven't tried on V30 but Don't XZ premium is stuck at 720p when recording at 960fps.
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I ask this because this is a Video phone. The slow motion is bad for now in V30, so I ask is there possible to change Mbps in video for slow motion.
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I just ask because thay are very big difference in slow motion quality in V30 and. smasung S7, S8, Note 8, Iphone 6, 7, 8 and etc...
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Got a link to a side by side comparison shooting the same subjects at the same time?
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I ask this because this is a Video phone. The slow motion is bad for now in V30, so I ask is there possible to change Mbps in video for slow motion.
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Correct, this is a video phone. The concentration is on the 1080 and 4K content creation from a cellphone. (Emphasis on that last part. If you're really worried about video quality, chances are you're using a bigger dedicated camera.) Slow motion is more of a gimmicky side trick and not really the main focus of cellphones. Even the much talked about Sony XZ seems to be so so in the slow motion department.
In the end with all imaging pursuits you have to keep in mind that this is a cellphone. The phrase "jack of all trades, a master of none" applies. If you're worried about slow motion quality they make dedicated cameras for that and they cost a very pretty penny. Even my DSLRs and mirrorless cameras don't really do slow-motion and their entire size and processing systems are dedicated entirely to imaging!
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Got a link to a side by side comparison shooting the same subjects at the same time?
Correct, this is a video phone. The concentration is on the 1080 and 4K content creation from a cellphone. (Emphasis on that last part. If you're really worried about video quality, chances are you're using a bigger dedicated camera.) Slow motion is more of a gimmicky side trick and not really the main focus of cellphones. Even the much talked about Sony XZ seems to be so so in the slow motion department.
In the end with all imaging pursuits you have to keep in mind that this is a cellphone. The phrase "jack of all trades, a master of none" applies. If you're worried about slow motion quality they make dedicated cameras for that and they cost a very pretty penny. Even my DSLRs and mirrorless cameras don't really do slow-motion and their entire size and processing systems are dedicated entirely to imaging!
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Thx for you answer, but I don't know why are you angry on me? I know you have V30, i don't have yet. But im planing to buy soon as possible. I like V30 so much but I would like to know much more about camera and will LG fix somethings in future updates.?
Why I put all this questions? Because the competition who have the same hardware have something much better then this phone. I want to know what im buying. I will put some examples:
1. LG V30 and OnePlus 5 have EIS. If you compare this two phones V30 video is like they didn't have EIS. This Is just software implementation. OP5 is not video phone, V30 is video phone. What is problem with V30?
2. The same comparison between LG V30 and OP5, when you focus on something and took the photo with OP5 you will never get "White sky" Instead of the blue sky like LG V30. This is not because camera sensor it is because camera software. The Google camera fix this problem on V30...
3. About slow motion, this is comparison between LG V30 vs Samsung S8, go on 6:10 -
You can see how much mire is better S8. And they are much more video examples on Youtube.
Is LG able to make an even better camera in new updates? YES! Do they want it, we do not know that...
Yes you can change the bitrate. Try Open Camera from the playstore. you should be able to change bitrate with that app. It would just depend on the phone whether it can handle it or not.
I dont see a reason why not trying to increase Video Bitrate. There where camera rom's out in the past that significantly increased the recording bit-rate
of some phones. For example my very old HTC Sensation had a camera mod that pushed up FullHD recording from ?16 to something about 40! Mbps, that was absolutly georgeous! If the hardware supports it in any way why the heck dont try it and let the people decide themselves instead of nip the idea in the bud by arguing "buy a real ...blah ", "its not intended blah.."
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I dont see a reason why not trying to increase Video Bitrate. There where camera rom's out in the past that significantly increased the recording bit-rate
of some phones. For example my very old HTC Sensation had a camera mod that pushed up FullHD recording from ?16 to something about 40! Mbps, that was absolutely gorgeous! If the hardware supports it in any way why the heck don't try it and let the people decide themselves instead of nip the idea in the bud by arguing "buy a real ...blah ", "its not intended blah.."
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You have a point. This is where dev work is very helpful in pushing the limits of what our phones can do. These manufacturers spend a few months creating the hardware and software, then move on to the next phone coming out. Rarely do they go back and IMPROVE features (unless it's bug fixes). Whereas many people keep their phones for 2 or 3 years. Devs have time to examine, tweak, improve in ways the manufacturer design team never would. To the OEM, once it's shipped, it's shipped.
This is why even LG G4 devs are porting features from our LG V30, that LG would never give the G4. But in the same vein, XDA devs can give the V30 features LG wouldn't give the V30 because they ran out of time before it shipped.
There's always areas of improvement. This is a great phone with great features, I think one of the two best out there right now (along with the Note 8) -- but the best for me. I own three now, and while I'm a fan I'm not going to say everything is perfect.
If someone can improve the bit rate of slow mo, go for it.
If someone can create a great bokeh effect portrait mode with LG camera, go for it.
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You have a point. This is where dev work is very helpful in pushing the limits of what our phones can do. These manufacturers spend a few months creating the hardware and software, then move on to the next phone coming out. Rarely do they go back and IMPROVE features (unless it's bug fixes). Whereas many people keep their phones for 2 or 3 years. Devs have time to examine, tweak, improve in ways the manufacturer design team never would. To the OEM, once it's shipped, it's shipped.
This is why even LG G4 devs are porting features from our LG V30, that LG would never give the G4. But in the same vein, XDA devs can give the V30 features LG wouldn't give the V30 because they ran out of time before it shipped.
There's always areas of improvement. This is a great phone with great features, I think one of the two best out there right now (along with the Note 8) -- but the best for me. I own three now, and while I'm a fan I'm not going to say everything is perfect.
If someone can improve the bit rate of slow mo, go for it.
If someone can create a great bokeh effect portrait mode with LG camera, go for it.
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Not sure if you're aware , but by now Bokeh effect already works great with the V30. Both on the selfie camera and on the rear main camera.
Also, HDR+ works on all 3 lens and it is amazing.
Last, the quality of the selfie is pretty good now! Even in low light.
(Just get the cstark27 google cam apps - two APK - one for wide and one for the rest).
This makes ****load of difference, making it probably the best camera phone out there.
Just make sure "HDR+ Enhanced" is chosen.
Hey what's up guys. I thought I would share my review of this super phone.
Please note that my review style is not for everyone, and there is profanity in this review. If you don't mind, come check it out!
Appreciate it.
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Appreciate it.
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Hope you enjoyed
Finally, a real review.
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Finally, a real review.
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I hope that's a good thing! Thanks man
"Toyota Corolla," heh!
I've got to disagree with your assessment of the screen. I love the V30 screen, but it's still a clear second to the Note 8. I knew that going in, and it didn't stop me from purchasing my V30. I look at how bright and crystal clear it is when I have it mounted up in the car for navigation and keep thinking oooh, two weeks on. Playing videos are fine, but if I'm watching from an off angle (and this happens, in the morning if I'm showing my boys something over breakfast), or I might notice that skin tone is ever so slightly off while watching in a dark room, but whatever -- it's a great screen for my uses, certainly better than the Droid Turbo I'm coming from, I'm ok but props to Samsung for nailing theirs.
Also the rear camera -- you gave it some knocks, which may be deserved, but it takes photos as well as I need them to be taken, meaning solid results. But the wide angle lens -- let me tell you, I'm a picky camera shopper, and one reason I've been a fan of Panasonic's LX series cameras over the past 10 years is because of the great wide angle lens on those units. So many buyers seem to ask, "what's the max zoom?" but the real question is "how wide can I go?" This camera's wide lens will get the shot that others optically cannot.
The UI, eh, but I threw Nova and Google Now and Pixel Dialer on there, so it doesn't bother me. I love that LG long press feature. I love the Knock Code and the Knock Off feature. I miss my (non-stock Android) Moto actions for "twist for camera" and "chop for flashlight," but I'm getting along without.
Anyhow, your review I found a good summary. It's not just the information, but it's the enthusiasm a reviewer offers that gives the clearer indication if a product is worth somebody's time. That's why when I read these so-so reviews from ARS, Business Insider, Engadget, etc. and I shake my head. It's like these guys aren't about looking for a good phone that works well, they're stuck making all these comparisons, "is the screen BETTER THAN Samsung," "is the camera BETTER THAN iPhone," "is the UX BETTER THAN Pixel." Obviously the features need to measure up to some bar -- obviously the selfie cam on the V30 is a major disappointment but thankfully that's like no. zero on my "things I care about" list.
How about, are all these aspects ENJOYABLE and how well do they function as a PACKAGE -- you know, usability. For me the Note 8 was a contender but it is just a little too big, the V30 is a pleasure to hold. The Note cam has some cool features I'd like the V30 to have but the V30 has some cool features the Note doesn't.
Anyhow, great review, don't knock the Corolla too hard, one may have saved my life, but I know what you mean 'cause I didn't buy another.
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Yes, and it nails that LG has its mojo back. They would be back more if they would treat the G series like Samsung treats the Galaxy S series (like a real top tier phone), but they made a great phone with the LG V30.
The LG V30 is contender for phone of the year -- another reviewer said that, and I agree. I'm not saying it's THE phone of the year, but I think it's in the top two. I wish LG had put in a better selfie camera, mostly so I wouldn't keep hearing people complain about it. I personally don't care. (And some in the forum have pointed out the default software settings on that selfie camera make it worse than it really is.)
I'm coming from the international version of the Droid Turbo, the Moto XT1225 (basically the smaller version of the Moto Nexus 6, but with bigger battery), but a long time LG fan and have owned several LG phones. But the last LG phone I cared about owning (size, specs) for daily driver was the LG G4. And I sold that to buy a third Moto XT1225.
The LG V30 makes me feel like when I heard the Moto XT1225 announced. I WANT this phone. I also want to root it, so waiting for the dev friendly LG V30 to be released in the U.S.
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"Toyota Corolla," heh!
I've got to disagree with your assessment of the screen. I love the V30 screen, but it's still a clear second to the Note 8. I knew that going in, and it didn't stop me from purchasing my V30. I look at how bright and crystal clear it is when I have it mounted up in the car for navigation and keep thinking oooh, two weeks on. Playing videos are fine, but if I'm watching from an off angle (and this happens, in the morning if I'm showing my boys something over breakfast), or I might notice that skin tone is ever so slightly off while watching in a dark room, but whatever -- it's a great screen for my uses, certainly better than the Droid Turbo I'm coming from, I'm ok but props to Samsung for nailing theirs.
Also the rear camera -- you gave it some knocks, which may be deserved, but it takes photos as well as I need them to be taken, meaning solid results. But the wide angle lens -- let me tell you, I'm a picky camera shopper, and one reason I've been a fan of Panasonic's LX series cameras over the past 10 years is because of the great wide angle lens on those units. So many buyers seem to ask, "what's the max zoom?" but the real question is "how wide can I go?" This camera's wide lens will get the shot that others optically cannot.
The UI, eh, but I threw Nova and Google Now and Pixel Dialer on there, so it doesn't bother me. I love that LG long press feature. I love the Knock Code and the Knock Off feature. I miss my (non-stock Android) Moto actions for "twist for camera" and "chop for flashlight," but I'm getting along without.
Anyhow, your review I found a good summary. It's not just the information, but it's the enthusiasm a reviewer offers that gives the clearer indication if a product is worth somebody's time. That's why when I read these so-so reviews from ARS, Business Insider, Engadget, etc. and I shake my head. It's like these guys aren't about looking for a good phone that works well, they're stuck making all these comparisons, "is the screen BETTER THAN Samsung," "is the camera BETTER THAN iPhone," "is the UX BETTER THAN Pixel." Obviously the features need to measure up to some bar -- obviously the selfie cam on the V30 is a major disappointment but thankfully that's like no. zero on my "things I care about" list.
How about, are all these aspects ENJOYABLE and how well do they function as a PACKAGE -- you know, usability. For me the Note 8 was a contender but it is just a little too big, the V30 is a pleasure to hold. The Note cam has some cool features I'd like the V30 to have but the V30 has some cool features the Note doesn't.
Anyhow, great review, don't knock the Corolla too hard, one may have saved my life, but I know what you mean 'cause I didn't buy another.
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Thanks for responding. I have read some reports of some people having bad screens and I suppose it's completely plausible. My unit had a great screen. Also I think the rear camera, but the average just wants to point and shoot and have the phone spit out a good pic. They don't want to tinker with shutter speed, iso, metering methods, etc. The v30 capable is capable, but the software in my opinion don't maximze the camera hardware. Front camera is plain trash. The wide camera is awesome.
Also I appreciate those kind words. I will Never be one of those "tell them what they want to hear" reviewers. I have been lucky enough to land some pretty big deals from my tech reviews in the shorrt time I have been doing them, but no matter how high I go, my review style will always stay the same. Some hate it some love it.
Thanks for taking the time out to respond. I appreciate that **** man!
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Yes, and it nails that LG has its mojo back. They would be back more if they would treat the G series like Samsung treats the Galaxy S series (like a real top tier phone), but they made a great phone with the LG V30.
The LG V30 is contender for phone of the year -- another reviewer said that, and I agree. I'm not saying it's THE phone of the year, but I think it's in the top two. I wish LG had put in a better selfie camera, mostly so I wouldn't keep hearing people complain about it. I personally don't care. (And some in the forum have pointed out the default software settings on that selfie camera make it worse than it really is.)
I'm coming from the international version of the Droid Turbo, the Moto XT1225 (basically the smaller version of the Moto Nexus 6, but with bigger battery), but a long time LG fan and have owned several LG phones. But the last LG phone I cared about owning (size, specs) for daily driver was the LG G4. And I sold that to buy a third Moto XT1225.
The LG V30 makes me feel like when I heard the Moto XT1225 announced. I WANT this phone. I also want to root it, so waiting for the dev friendly LG V30 to be released in the U.S.
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Totally agree! Thanks for responding!!!
I drive a Toyota Yaris. I think for me, the V30 might not be the best phone out there, but it's like my Yaris. It just suits me. I'm not keeping up with Joneses, I like my stuff to appeal to only myself.
I get why some people want the best car, the best phone, the best house, etc.
Me? I just want to be happy. If that means going against the flow, I'm cool with it.
I'm a girl obsessed with tech, I'm already looked at like I've got a third eye. Haha!
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I get why some people want the best car, the best phone, the best house, etc.
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Blasphemy!
The V30 IS the best phone!
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Blasphemy!
The V30 IS the best phone!
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Best is relevant to the person. That's more what I meant. They'll follow trends even if it's junk. Like the iPhone X for example.
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I'm sorry, but this was a HORRIBLE review.
1. The screen is not that great. It has terrible off axis viewing. Tilt a white screen slightly and it will turn blue just a few degrees off axis. It also washes out in bright light.
2. You didn't say when you can and cannot use the Sabre DAC in the system. What is good about it and what is horrible. You also fail to mention that the MQA playback ability really does not work and all 44.1khz CD quality PCM is upconverted to 48khz with awful artifacts. You also should mention that the only way to play DSD on this device is to use the very basic stock LG Music Player
3. The camera HARDWARE on the rear facing camera is actually the best. It is the camera software that is not great. The jpg processing is horrible but raw photos are excellent. You really need to use manual mode to take advantage of the cameras. Also, you keep talking about the camera on the other phones being better. It is actually just the software. Install the Pixel 2 camera software on this phone and it is terrific.
4. Most of the complaints that you have are due to bundled software choices which are all changeable, not on the hardware which is not.
5. The promised wireless quick charging is UNUSABLE as there is no quick charger available the correctly outputs the necessary 15 watts to take advantage of it.
If you are going to review a phone, really learn the hardware features of the phone and really push them!!!!!
If we were all concerned with what others think, then we'd all be cursing our iPhone X's. I buy what appeals to me and am not loyal to any particular brand of phone. That is a bit different when it comes to cell companies though. Definitely can't complain about T-Mobile and I've got the magenta gear to represent.
The video gets a thumbs down from me for one reason. Keep your personal political opinions to yourself! I don't care if you agree with me or not. My opinions are mine and unless I ask you for yours, I couldn't care less! Political crap aside, the opinions expressed in the video seemed a bit... over the top. It's kind of ironic that 3 out of the 4 features he mentions that were the only features he liked about the V20 aren't in the V30/V30+. Like the V20, the screen V30/V30+ could also be better. Personally, I think he was a bit too hard on the V20 but that is just my opinion. He really didn't support his opinions very well, like with the V20 screen and device in general as a comparison. He might just like this phone a lot and there is nothing wrong with that. It doesn't seem to translate well into a review I would personally consider useful to helping me decide on whether or not a phone is for me.
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Best is relevant to the person. That's more what I meant. They'll follow trends even if it's junk. Like the iPhone X for example.
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Exactly.... That's exactly what I meant. I picked the best phone, leaving out the "for me"
To help the OP out with any reviews he does in the future. I would like to offer a good point of reference to further illustrate how I think reviews should be more focused.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j78lXtKd-5I
Although an unboxing, this videos fairly direct and to the point. He also supports his statements and opinions with reasons for them. "Shout out to AT&T for stealing the headphones!" That piece of humor fits with the theme of the video because it is related to what the subject of the video is all about. I can personally say I have had that happen to me more than once, friends, and others that have received a device at some point or another that were missing an accessory that was supposed to be in the box.
Every day, people are bombarded with political crap and some of us are just tired of it. Whether people are pro-Trump or anti-Trump isn't the point. If I wanted political views, there are plenty of videos on YouTube that represent even the most ridiculous views on all sides out there to watch. When I am looking for a video on a cell phone, I am only interested in seeing and hearing about the phone in a constructive way. This extends well beyond political views as well, at least for me and also falls along the lines of sneaky ad placement.
In most cases, people just want to see and hear about the subject, which is the V30 in your video, and why you like it or dislike it with reasons to support those conclusions. One of the reasons why I watch just about every review of something I want is to see if there is something someone else will notice about what I am interested in that I might not. Especially when that might affect my decision on whether or not I still want that particular thing.
...or you could just let the man do his reviews the way he wants to do his reviews, and you don't watch them.
You've spent a lot of words trying to get him conform to your ideal.
I enjoyed the review and ignored any political stuff.
I'm also not sure why he NEEDS to say certain audio files can only play through the stock LG audio player to take advantage of the quad DAC, when other premium phones don't have quad DAC at all.
It's like saying "it's a Porsche, but you're forced to buy premium gas." It sounds like a criticism which is irrelevant. Don't like using LG stock player? Will Samsung NOTE 8 have quad DAC with 3rd party players or ANY PLAYER? No? So, it doesn't matter then. LG supplies a quad DAC and the means to play the files. Maybe he LIKES the LG stock player. If you don't, make your own review.
Only if another popular premium phone has a feature the LG V30 does not have, is it relevant. Which is why most reviewers are forced to mention portrait view camera vs wide view cameras.
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...or you could just let the man do his reviews the way he wants to do his reviews, and you don't watch them.
You've spent a lot of words trying to get him conform to your ideal.
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It's not that I want him to conform to my views. We need more reviewers out there reviewing phones. Suggesting he leave out things that may alienate potential subscribers as well as providing a more in-depth explanation as to why something "sucks" would at the very least help those watching understand his point of view. It was just constructive feedback because I would like to see more people review phones outside of what YouTube currently has to offer.
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I enjoyed the review and ignored any political stuff.
I'm also not sure why he NEEDS to say certain audio files can only play through the stock LG audio player to take advantage of the quad DAC, when other premium phones don't have quad DAC at all.
It's like saying "it's a Porsche, but you're forced to buy premium gas." It sounds like a criticism which is irrelevant. Don't like using LG stock player? Will Samsung NOTE 8 have quad DAC with 3rd party players or ANY PLAYER? No? So, it doesn't matter then. LG supplies a quad DAC and the means to play the files. Maybe he LIKES the LG stock player. If you don't, make your own review.
Only if another popular premium phone has a feature the LG V30 does not have, is it relevant. Which is why most reviewers are forced to mention portrait view camera vs wide view cameras.
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I definitely agree about the Portrait View I keep hearing so much about but couldn't care less about. Same with people pointing out how the selfie camera produces poor results. Those are two things I don't care about. However, for a less than ideal camera on the front, the Face Unlock for the V30 works exceptionally well. You don't need the best camera out there to give you the best results for Face Unlock.
Having had the phone a few days now I've had time test the camera properly. I've noticed it tends to soften images, this is particularly noticeable with pets highlighted in the fur.
Coming from the pixel 4 it's pretty disappointing that it can't compete in a lot of instances.
The first few pics I took were absolutely awful. I updated the software and this improved the camera considerably. What's the chances of the camera software improving with further updates? Anyone coming from other Samsung devices that's had the camera improve with updates?
Really love everything else about the phone and don't really wanna return it.
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Having had the phone a few days now I've had time test the camera properly. I've noticed it tends to soften images, this is particularly noticeable with pets highlighted in the fur.
Coming from the pixel 4 it's pretty disappointing that it can't compete in a lot of instances.
The first few pics I took were absolutely awful. I updated the software and this improved the camera considerably. What's the chances of the camera software improving with further updates? Anyone coming from other Samsung devices that's had the camera improve with updates?
Really love everything else about the phone and don't really wanna return it.
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The softening your seeing is Sammy's processing. Complete garbage. It's the same on all their phones. Including my note 10+.
GCam mods are superior
That sucks. Guessing we won't be seeing a working exynos gcam version any time soon either.
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That sucks. Guessing we won't be seeing a working exynos gcam version any time soon either.
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ZGCAM works ok on Exynos, I can't seem to apply the configs though, worth you giving it a try to see how you find it
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ZGCAM works ok on Exynos, I can't seem to apply the configs though, worth you giving it a try to see how you find it
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I've just got it now thanks, I'll have a play with it. What are the configs for?
Coming from a Pixel 4a the camera quality is VERY disappointing if you're using your cell phone camera to take pictures of anything that isn't a non-moving well-lit object. Lots of detail is lost especially when the subject is a person - facial features are smoothed out and that makes the hair look really blended together. Disabling the scene optimizer seems to help but you can't disable this in Portrait mode.
I have GCam installed but haven't had a chance to tweak the settings. It's better than the stock camera but........ coming from a $350 phone to an $800 phone and I still need to tweak camera settings???? Can't really express how disappointed I am in the camera quality and there is stock post processing is almost impossible to turn off.
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I've just got it now thanks, I'll have a play with it. What are the configs for?
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I believe they are "settings" that users share to give best performance in certain situations, I might be wrong though, that's my interpretation of them.
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I've just got it now thanks, I'll have a play with it. What are the configs for?
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I just seen another post and realised that the "configs" folder needs to be renaed to "configs7" to work, I have only found N10Z4 config to work so far, others crash the app.
Here's the link from the other post by Beserker15 https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/settings09/
Hi there. My camera is truly appalling, and significantly worse than the S10 I traded in. All photos on any setting are grainy and noisy. I can't get a good quality photo from a metre away in good light. Does anyone know if this is a software issue they are going to release a fix for? If not, I'm going to send it back I think.
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Hi there. My camera is truly appalling, and significantly worse than the S10 I traded in. All photos on any setting are grainy and noisy. I can't get a good quality photo from a metre away in good light. Does anyone know if this is a software issue they are going to release a fix for? If not, I'm going to send it back I think.
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Mine was like this right out of the box. The first software update improved it a lot but it's still very disappointing.
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Coming from a Pixel 4a the camera quality is VERY disappointing if you're using your cell phone camera to take pictures of anything that isn't a non-moving well-lit object. Lots of detail is lost especially when the subject is a person - facial features are smoothed out and that makes the hair look really blended together. Disabling the scene optimizer seems to help but you can't disable this in Portrait mode.
I have GCam installed but haven't had a chance to tweak the settings. It's better than the stock camera but........ coming from a $350 phone to an $800 phone and I still need to tweak camera settings???? Can't really express how disappointed I am in the camera quality and there is stock post processing is almost impossible to turn off.
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My thoughts exactly, I'm sending it back this week. I was gonna go for the ultra instead but I asked the question over there and it seems while it's a step up from the regular S21 it's still very disappointing. In just gonna keep the pixel 4 till something decent comes out. Probably the next pixel now.
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My thoughts exactly, I'm sending it back this week. I was gonna go for the ultra instead but I asked the question over there and it seems while it's a step up from the regular S21 it's still very disappointing. In just gonna keep the pixel 4 till something decent comes out. Probably the next pixel now.
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The next actual "high end" pixel that comes out (not some mid-range device) my note 10+ is going bye bye. Never gonna look back at Samsung again.
The camera is good for outdoor. These pictures have been shot from approximately 150 meters [hand-held]. Please see it as a guide for you.
How's the audio zoom working in videos? Does the audio actually zoom in that direction or does it just get louder?
Agree the camera/app is disappointing. Hopefully they get it improved soon
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The camera is good for outdoor. These pictures have been shot from approximately 150 meters [hand-held]. Please see it as a guide for you.
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Every new phone nowadays does a good enough job outdoors in daylight. The slew of problems with Samsungs camera come right after that. Especially indoors. Shutter lag and HDR always on no matter what you set it to just kill the camera. Samsung desperately needs ZSL.