Somebody asked me a question in a PM which is worth discussing. My answer is easy -- LG V30. But my priorities may differ from others, so the answer may be different for you.
melihcarter said:
I wanna ask your opinion about something... I really like v30, have been planning buying it but since it's almost 2018 and G7 should be around the corner. What would you say? Get V30 or wait little longer for G7?
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LG V30 or 2018 LG G7?
I would choose the LG V30.
FIRST, it has all the specs (except for front facing stereo speakers) I desire in a phone.
OK, maybe it could have more RAM, maybe an LED notification light, maybe a slightly larger battery (even though this one is getting good reviews). But the LG V30 hits most of the boxes I wanted:
Qi wireless charging (which I have now),
1440p OLED display (which I have now),
at least 64GB internal memory (which I have now),
headset jack (which I have now) +
Snapdragon 835 (which is a next gen gigabit LTE chipset) and
high IP rating (which is requisite now for 2017 top-tier smartphones). Those that don't have that -- cough -- Essential, OnePlus are pretenders.
Even though I have a 2014 Moto XT1225, thanks to the stellar specs it had, it really kept pace with phones through 2015 and 2016. (Snapdragon 805, 3GB RAM, 64GB internal memory, 3900 mAh battery, 1440p AMOLED display, Qi wireless charging, 21MP rear camera, 3.5mm headset jack).
Sure, each year brought iterative CPU updates, but only with the 2017 phones was there a feeling I needed to update. A lot of it was cumulative: stuff like fingerprint sensors, more RAM, and high IP ratings which became common (Motorola, Samsung, LG, Pixel, even iPhone). But suddenly with Snapdragon 835 was there a real "next gen" difference not only in computing speed but also LTE download speeds.
But I didn't want to give up what I already had. Qi wireless charging was my line in the sand. Laugh at that, but it's a real convenience for me and my wife.
Point is, the LG V30 is the first phone that makes me want it as bad as the when I bought three of the 2014 Moto XT1225 phones. (I bought two for me and my wife and later bought a 3rd for emergency backup purposes.)
SECOND, why not the LG G7? Won't it be better than the LG V30?
1) Tell me how it will be better?
Front facing stereo speakers would pique my interest. Yes, more RAM would be nice.
Yes, it will probably have Snapdragon 845, but that's just an iterative update -- much like the Snapdragon 820/821. The Snapdragon 835 was the "next gen" chipset (in manufacturing process, CPU speed and LTE speed). 845 will be a slight improvement, but not earth shattering.
2) But, did you see how LG screwed up the release of the LG G6?
I don't trust them to do any better with the LG G7. They will have a nice phone "on paper" but somehow manage to mess it up.
The real problem with the LG G6 was the STUPID regionalized specs scheme.
Want more than 32GB internal storage? Only some of the Asian variants had that.
Want Quad DAC? Out of luck if you live in Europe or U.S.
Want Qi wireless charging? Better move to the U.S.!
WHY? I want more storage, better audio AND Qi wireless -- but there was no LG G6 with ALL the specs. The U.S. unlocked and European unlocked did also qualify for official bootloader unlock, but those were limited to 32GB models only. And the U.S. was the only LG G6 sold world-wide that had Qi wireless. Yes, they all have microSD card expansion -- but only the Asian models had 64GB internal memory + microSD card and then even fewer Asian models had Quad DAC. NONE of the the "better" LG G6 was on the bootloader unlock list, and NONE had "all" the specs.
LG had a winning phone on paper, but they cut that paper up and shipped it to various parts of the world. You could not tape it all back together to get the FANTASTIC phone that could have competed with the Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+. (Plus, it used "last year's Snapdragon 821.)
Only with the LG G6 Plus (which was NOT bigger, just had more specs) -- released MONTHS later as a follow-up to the LG G6 -- did LG include quad DAC and more storage for ALL countries where it was sold. It was the LG G6 they should have sold in the first place! The mid-year LG G6 Plus (South Korean edition) was the phone LG should have released at the BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
BUT even then, only the South Korea LG G6 Plus also had Qi wireless charging -- but NOT the European LG G6 Plus or Taiwan variant or others. WHY? (Apparently the LG G6 Plus was not released in U.S. markets officially.) And the super-duper South Korea LG G6 Plus was not on the official bootloader unlock list. NONE of the LG G6 Plus are on the bootloader unlock list.
Also by this time (mid year 2017) when the LG G6 Plus was released, there was no excuse not to have Snapdragon 835. The South Korea LG G6 Plus (with Qi wireless charging, quad DAC, 64GB memory) was the phone LG should have released back in the beginning to the ENTIRE WORLD. At that point (early 2017, with the LG G6) they were beating Samsung to market and had to go with last year's Snapdragon 821. Even with "last year's" Snapdragon (which the Pixel XL also has), at the point in time (early 2017) the LG G6 Plus would have been a winner.
Instead they released parts of the phone to various parts of the world as various crippled flavors of LG G6, then later released the LG G6 Plus -- which not only made LG G6 buyers feel STUPID (they should have waited for the BETTER phone)... but then LG then still didn't fix the "last year" Snapdragon issue. Who is going to pay NEW prices for a Snapdragon 821 phone in mid-2017, MONTHS after other phones with Snapdragon 835 is on the market?
The mid-2017 LG G6 Plus should have had Snapdragon 835, and Qi wireless for all countries, as well as bootloader unlock at least for U.S. and Europe (like the LG G6). Maybe LG felt that would step on the release of the LG V30, but so what? It would have made amends for their very idiotic "regionalization" specs scheme for the LG G6 at the beginning of the year. Also, the LG V30 has AMOLED with a bigger display, so they would not have been identical phones.
OK, rant over about the LG G6 -- but LG has said over and over that now with the "V" series, the "G" series is no longer their premier phone. And how they treated the G6 really proved that point. I'm afraid they will do the same with the G7, and you would say, "I should have gotten the LG V30".
I think LG's attitude is wrong. I think they should release TWO top tier flagship phones per year, like Samsung does.
THIRD, bootloader unlock and root.
For the LG G6, LG did not release the "open market" variants (which are eligible for bootloader unlock) until several weeks later, and only placed them on bootloader unlock list in June 2017. June 30, for the LG G6 US997, practically July 1!
Already I'm waiting until DECEMBER for the LG V30 US998, and hoping it will be placed on the bootloader unlock list by the end of the year. But could be even January 2018.
For those who don't care about root and buy from carrier stores, this third point may not matter. You'll have your LG G7 by March 2018. For those who care about specs, you can always order from South Korea -- but you'll pay full price. Unless LG messes up again and waits to release the "super duper" spec "LG G7 Plus" in mid-2018.... even the one from South Korea -- like they did with the LG G6 Plus.
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So, even though the G7 will have some slight improvements, I'm afraid LG will mess it up with stupid "regionalized" specs scheme again. Even if they don't, still the version that I want (open market) would probably not be available until mid-year.
Maybe they should wait for the V40... or the G8... or the V50... or the G9.....
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Maybe they should wait for the V40... or the G8... or the V50... or the G9.....
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At some point you have to jump into the river and swim.
I used to upgrade every year. 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014. Phones that were obviously better, faster, had more features I wanted. LG phones, Nexus phones, and basically the smaller version of the Moto Nexus 6.
The 2014 Moto XT1225 is the longest period I've owned a phone to use as daily driver.
I even briefly owned a 2015 LG G4 I won in a launch contest, but sold it because I still loved my 2014 Moto XT1225.
I've also worked on family members and friends' newer phones (LG, Samsung), but still liked my phone better.
Only with the 2017 LG V30, I'm about to jump back in again.
Thank you friend
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ChazzMatt said:
Somebody asked me a question in a PM which is worth discussing. My answer is easy -- LG V30. But my priorities may differ from others, so the answer may be different for you.
LG V30 or 2018 LG G7?
I would choose the LG V30.
FIRST, it has all the specs (except for front facing stereo speakers) I desire in a phone.
OK, maybe it could have more RAM, maybe an LED notification light, maybe a slightly larger battery (even though this one is getting good reviews). But the LG V30 hits most of the boxes I wanted:
Qi wireless charging (which I have now),
1440p OLED display (which I have now),
at least 64GB internal memory (which I have now),
headset jack (which I have now) +
Snapdragon 835 (which is a next gen gigabit LTE chipset) and
high IP rating (which is requisite now for 2017 top-tier smartphones). Those that don't have that -- cough -- Essential, OnePlus are pretenders.
Even though I have a 2014 Moto XT1225, thanks to the stellar specs it had, it really kept pace with phones through 2015 and 2016. (Snapdragon 805, 3GB RAM, 64GB internal memory, 3900 mAh battery, 1440p AMOLED display, Qi wireless charging, 21MP rear camera, 3.5mm headset jack).
Sure, each year brought iterative CPU updates, but only with the 2017 phones was there a feeling I needed to update. A lot of it was cumulative: stuff like fingerprint sensors, more RAM, and high IP ratings which became common (Motorola, Samsung, LG, Pixel, even iPhone). But suddenly with Snapdragon 835 was there a real "next gen" difference not only in computing speed but also LTE download speeds.
But I didn't want to give up what I already had. Qi wireless charging was my line in the sand. Laugh at that, but it's a real convenience for me and my wife.
Point is, the LG V30 is the first phone that makes me want it as bad as the when I bought three of the 2014 Moto XT1225 phones. (I bought two for me and my wife and later bought a 3rd for emergency backup purposes.)
SECOND, why not the LG G7? Won't it be better than the LG V30?
1) Tell me how it will be better?
Front facing stereo speakers would pique my interest. Yes, more RAM would be nice.
Yes, it will probably have Snapdragon 845, but that's just an iterative update -- much like the Snapdragon 820/821. The Snapdragon 835 was the "next gen" chipset (in manufacturing process, CPU speed and LTE speed). 845 will be a slight improvement, but not earth shattering.
2) But, did you see how LG screwed up the release of the LG G6?
I don't trust them to do any better with the LG G7. They will have a nice phone "on paper" but somehow manage to mess it up.
The real problem with the LG G6 was the STUPID regionalized specs scheme.
Want more than 32GB internal storage? Only some of the Asian variants had that.
Want Quad DAC? Out of luck if you live in Europe or U.S.
Want Qi wireless charging? Better move to the U.S.!
WHY? I want more storage, better audio AND Qi wireless -- but there was no LG G6 with ALL the specs. The U.S. unlocked and European unlocked did also qualify for official bootloader unlock, but those were limited to 32GB models only. And the U.S. was the only LG G6 sold world-wide that had Qi wireless. Yes, they all have microSD card expansion -- but only the Asian models had 64GB internal memory + microSD card and then even fewer Asian models had Quad DAC. NONE of the the "better" LG G6 was on the bootloader unlock list, and NONE had "all" the specs.
LG had a winning phone on paper, but they cut that paper up and shipped it to various parts of the world. You could not tape it all back together to get the FANTASTIC phone that could have competed with the Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+. (Plus, it used "last year's Snapdragon 821.)
Only with the LG G6 Plus (which was NOT bigger, just had more specs) -- released MONTHS later as a follow-up to the LG G6 -- did LG include quad DAC and more storage for ALL countries where it was sold. It was the LG G6 they should have sold in the first place! The mid-year LG G6 Plus (South Korean edition) was the phone LG should have released at the BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
BUT even then, only the South Korea LG G6 Plus also had Qi wireless charging -- but NOT the European LG G6 Plus or Taiwan variant or others. WHY? (Apparently the LG G6 Plus was not released in U.S. markets officially.) And the super-duper South Korea LG G6 Plus was not on the official bootloader unlock list. NONE of the LG G6 Plus are on the bootloader unlock list.
Also by this time (mid year 2017) when the LG G6 Plus was released, there was no excuse not to have Snapdragon 835. The South Korea LG G6 Plus (with Qi wireless charging, quad DAC, 64GB memory) was the phone LG should have released back in the beginning to the ENTIRE WORLD. At that point (early 2017, with the LG G6) they were beating Samsung to market and had to go with last year's Snapdragon 821. Even with "last year's" Snapdragon (which the Pixel XL also has), at the point in time (early 2017) the LG G6 Plus would have been a winner.
Instead they released parts of the phone to various parts of the world as various crippled flavors of LG G6, then later released the LG G6 Plus -- which not only made LG G6 buyers feel STUPID (they should have waited for the BETTER phone)... but then LG then still didn't fix the "last year" Snapdragon issue. Who is going to pay NEW prices for a Snapdragon 821 phone in mid-2017, MONTHS after other phones with Snapdragon 835 is on the market?
The mid-2017 LG G6 Plus should have had Snapdragon 835, and Qi wireless for all countries, as well as bootloader unlock at least for U.S. and Europe (like the LG G6). Maybe LG felt that would step on the release of the LG V30, but so what? It would have made amends for their very idiotic "regionalization" specs scheme for the LG G6 at the beginning of the year. Also, the LG V30 has AMOLED with a bigger display, so they would not have been identical phones.
OK, rant over about the LG G6 -- but LG has said over and over that now with the "V" series, the "G" series is no longer their premier phone. And how they treated the G6 really proved that point. I'm afraid they will do the same with the G7, and you would say, "I should have gotten the LG V30".
I think LG's attitude is wrong. I think they should release TWO top tier flagship phones per year, like Samsung does.
THIRD, bootloader unlock and root.
For the LG G6, LG did not release the "open market" variants (which are eligible for bootloader unlock) until several weeks later, and only placed them on bootloader unlock list in June 2017. June 30, for the LG G6 US997, practically July 1!
Already I'm waiting until DECEMBER for the US998, and hoping it will be placed on the bootloader unlock list by the end of the year. But could be even January 2018.
So, even though the G7 will have some slight improvements, I'm afraid LG will mess it up. Even if they don't, still the version that I want (open market) would probably not be available until mid-year.
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No offense but, your write up seems like an awful lot of work to explain the common sense situation with every consumer decision everyone makes on...anything, ever. You could buy a phone....or wait because the next model could be better. You could buy a toaster...or wait because the next model could be better. That is literally the point..."things" we spend money on need to show they're "worthy" of our dollars so they have to come with slight "improvements" to wow us.....
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No offense but, your write up seems like an awful lot of work to explain the common sense situation with every consumer decision everyone makes on...anything, ever. You could buy a phone....or wait because the next model could be better. You could buy a toaster...or wait because the next model could be better. That is literally the point..."things" we spend money on need to show their "worthy" of our dollars so they have to come with slight "improvements" to wow us.....
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But with LG it's a little different. They treat the G series differently from the V, and that's been a recent development. The G series (Optimus G aka G1, G2, G3, G4) were the premier phone from LG. Some people still don't realize that LG executives have publicly stated over and over the V series is now the premier phone and the G series is for people who don't care about specs.
Just like since people don't realize T-Mobile is no longer dev-friendly!
The LG G7 will be announced in January, supposedly released in February. This is now mid-November. So, it's a real question, do I wait 2 or 3 months to buy the "newer" LG phone or buy now? Based on how LG thinks of the "G" series, I think buy now. Because the "newer" phone coming out is not LG's premier 2018 phone -- that will be the LG V40. They'll find SOME WAY to make sure the G7 is not "too good".
Even Samsung treats their Galaxy S/S+ more equally to Note series than LG does with G and V series. I know some people have disagreed with this opinion, but Samsung basically releases TWO premier phones per year -- S/S+ in early year, and then Note at end of year. There's enough industry movement in specs throughout the year (RAM, cameras, maybe newer CPUs) to justify that. What is the "norm" at the beginning of the year looks old by end of the year.
I will be very surprised if the G7 is substantially better than the LG V30. It won't have a 7th gen OLED display, they barely got the 6th gen up and running. It might have 6GB RAM, but I would bet they will regionalize that and give that to South Korea and no one else. It probably won't have front facing stereo speakers. IF they do what they did with the LG G6, some regions may have quad DAC, but others won't.
Maybe 128GB internal memory? That would be nice, but will ALL countries get that?
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That's pretty much what I was insinuating.
you could still wait an buy the v30 in February probably much cheaper, if the g7 is not what you wanted. and i guess they still mess up the release next time. so g7 in May/June...!?
Don't know what the point of this topic really is. OP does not own a V30 and nobody knows jack about the G7. Total personal if you want to spend budget now or wait till price drops or if the new phone will be better...
1979Sentinel said:
Don't know what the point of this topic really is. OP does not own a V30 and nobody knows jack about the G7. Total personal if you want to spend budget now or wait till price drops or if the new phone will be better...
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The point is "Will the G7 be better than the V30"?
I know all about the V30, but I'm waiting for the dev version. (Besides extensive research, I have fondled several in stores.) I actually know about a lot of LG phones -- from either owning them or working on them (rooting, setting them up, maintaining) for friends.
And I know -- even if you don't seem to? -- LG's stated philosophy on the G series starting with the 2015 G4 is: "Don't make it 'too good'.
You don't have to know the specs of the LG G7. Last year the specs "on paper" of the G6 were great, but you couldn't buy an LG G6 with ALL the stated specs. LG regionalized the specs, so no one got a great phone.
So, the choice between the two phones is easy. The answer is easy.
How long you want to wait to buy the LG V30, for price drops, is personal choice.
ChazzMatt said:
The point is will the G7 be better than the V30?
I know all about the V30, but I'm waiting for the dev version. And I know -- even if you don't seem to? -- LG's stated philosophy on the G series. "Don't make it 'too good'.
You don't have to know the specs of the LG G7. Last year the specs "on paper" of the G6 were great, but you couldn't buy an LG G6 with ALL the stated specs. LG regionalized the specs, so no one got a great phone.
So, the choice between the two phones is easy.
How long you want to wait to buy the LG V30, for price drops, is personal choice.
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I do know the philosophy (don't make it personal as always, and yes I have stated you don't own a V30 yet, but that is a fact you mentioned yourself). But philosophy as well as strategy can be easily changed especially when you are fighting/competing and not being the best on a lot of subjects. I think by now they will be realizing that "Don't make it too good" is a stupid strategy and need to reevaluate G7 philosophy.
I think they are already making that strategy too much appearant on roll out plan over the world. Europe lot of countries still no V30
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I do know the philosophy (don't make it personal as always, and yes I have stated you don't own a V30 yet, but that is a fact you mentioned yourself). But philosophy as well as strategy can be easily changed especially when you are fighting/competing and not being the best on a lot of subjects. I think by now they will be realizing that "Don't make it too good" is a stupid strategy and need to reevaluate G7 philosophy.
I think they are already making that strategy too much appearant on roll out plan over the world. Europe lot of countries still no V30
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Not making it personal, but I explained in detail LG's G series philosophy. Stated publicly by LG themselves many times over the past couple of years, in a more polite way of course.
This article below alludes to it, but I read others where the reporter said "off the record" execs were very plain spoken.
https://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g6-shows-lgs-commitment-v-line
Therefore it seemed you still didn't seem to know it... per proof in your post saying no one knew the specs of the G7. My point clearly is we don't need to know the specs.
And yes, that philosophy NEEDS to change. Samsung doesn't do that with their Galaxy S/S+ models vs Note, and neither should LG with G vs V.
The G7 will be announced in Feb and go on sale in June.
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The G7 will be announced in Feb and go on sale in June.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't go rushing them in to a release date. They may need until August.
It won't be ready for prime time either. They will ship reviewers a 6 month old pre-production model and the first run will be buggy. By october you might see it at it's full potential.
They announced that g7 will be announced in March / May, lg is going back to drawing board for g7, don't know what happened but things don't look good
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They announced that g7 will be announced in March / May, lg is going back to drawing board for g7, don't know what happened but things don't look good
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What "happened" was last year's G6: Regionalized specs, extremely slow rollout is what happened -- coupled with "last year's" Snapdragon. They went with 821 to BEAT Samsung to market, and they didn't beat them to market because of slow rollout.
Other companies like HTC, Motorola were able to sell phones with 835 even after S8/S8+ was released.
So, LG is re-examining all their flawed business practices for the G series, including even the name.
They also need to preemptively place the open market flagship phones on their bootloader unlock list.
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They announced that g7 will be announced in March / May, lg is going back to drawing board for g7, don't know what happened but things don't look good
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The LG G7 is cancelled and will be replaced by some diffrent kind of line/model.
Source: https://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g7-video (watch the video)
If G7 was to follow the last year G6 model (release it fast but with "last years" SoC ) it make sense. LG is usually slow to release after announcing a phone and by the time the phone is out there are already rivals out with the newest SoC. The V30 already looks like 2017 flagship for LG ( what G7 should have been) repeating this business model does not make sense. I suppose we are still going to see one flagship from LG every year, but only one so no more G and V models) and the cycle will change probably released and hopefully available in summer. This is probably what the message says, competing with Samsung for an early release with no SoCs available does not make sense. the G7 was a mess, released in multiple variants with missing features and released with previous year's SoC . By the time they release the 128 GB version V30 was already announced which is a much better phone.
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. the G6 was a mess, released in multiple variants with missing features and released with previous year's SoC . By the time they release the 128 GB version V30 was already announced which is a much better phone.
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Right. And that G6+ model released in July, still had Snapdragon 821.
Samsung manages to release two flagships per year. LG can do it too. But Samsung differentiates the Galaxy S/S+ series from the Note series while not demoting S/S+. Past couple of years, especially with the G6 it was as if LG didn't want to make it TOO GOOD. "Can't give everyone quad DAC or extra storage or Qi wireless charging. That would make it better than our V20." WHO CARES? Put the best phone out there you can.
Yes, the V30 is what the G6 SHOULD have been.
Now go out there and give us an even better one for whatever the G7 replacement is going to be. Make it better than the V30. I dare you.
Give it better selfie camera, slightly bigger battery, more RAM, stereo speakers. Give it dual cameras with one that can also do portrait mode via software.
Make the 2018 V40 team break out into a sweat. "How are we going to top that?"
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So I've been happy with this phone but the V30 is everything this phone should have been.
I'm hoping with T-Mobile we won't run into a similar issue where it's locked and can't be rooted. Still getting it either way though
I'm considering it. But, I'm waiting to hear some thoughts as to whether people think the upgrade is worth it.
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No 6GB of ram, and no bigger battery, I'm quite disappointed.
4GB are absolute ok. 6GB is nonsens. And for what a bigger akku? The OLED Panel is much more less in akku drainage, the actual snapdragon is that too. So.....no Problem
LG V30 slightly wider and taller, but not much.
Lighter. This I don't like.
Larger screen but same resolution. G6 has higher pixel density.
64GB vs 32 GB internal storage.
Snapdragon 835 vs 821.
A bad implementation on the 835 will be slower than the 821.
The SD821 Specs with Antutu at about 155K and I see that number sometimes. Most of the time on the 140K range.
The SD835 tops out at about 177K. I had the Essential PH-1 that would rarely see numbers I get with the LG G6.
That's about a $13% difference overall. The largest gain seems to be in the GPU and that is about 30%. The other score are close.
So you aren't going to see a speed difference. You probably won't see any real difference even in games.
If the upgrade of the V30 worth the difference in price from a G6?
If you don't already have a G6 maybe. If you have a G6, then absolutely not.
The price of an unlocked US997 G6 is $479 from B&H.
The price of a V30 has a price of $840 from Verizon.
I don't think it's worth the extra coin. For the extra $360 you are getting a marginally faster processor.
Is it worth it? Only you can decide.
Me? I sent my Essential Ph-1 back and bought the LG G6 a few weeks ago.
I don't think I'm missing anything over the V30. I have $360 extra in my pocket.
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4GB are absolute ok. 6GB is nonsens. And for what a bigger akku? The OLED Panel is much more less in akku drainage, the actual snapdragon is that too. So.....no Problem
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I've the opportunity to spend 500 euros to change my G6 and i would like to have an upgrade, like more ram, or more battery, just my opinion tough.
Let's see reviews and if the price will drop like the G series...
For me, never again a LG phone, even a V30. Here in Canada (videotron) we are stuck on July security patch for the G6, so our phone is vulnerable to hacker (blueborne). I prefer a Google phone ant I will get the the Pixel 2 XL to have a real upgrade.
I will probably wait till v40. I love V series media features. And also G6 is all I need for now
I don't want V30 at all, I think it is not worth upgrading, but I am afraid LG will be now slow with updates as they have new flagship :-/
No more LG devices for me until they finally figure out how to keep them updated. Being on the July update of a flagship device in October is unacceptable.
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No more LG devices for me until they finally figure out how to keep them updated. Being on the July update of a flagship device in October is unacceptable.
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Ye thi is not normal...
What patch is Samsung on?
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What patch is Samsung on?
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The S8 in Europe has received approx. 5-6 updates since the April version. Depending on the country there may be a lag of one month but not 3 or more.
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So I've been happy with this phone but the V30 is everything this phone should have been.
I'm hoping with T-Mobile we won't run into a similar issue where it's locked and can't be rooted. Still getting it either way though
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So far it looks like it's locked for everyone and not on the LG dev site yet
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What patch is Samsung on?
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Here in Italy are stuck to July patch, European should be on August but some people are still stuck to July...
Still on July patch in the UK, not really bothered about patches tbh i want bug fixes & improvements.
July patch for unlocked US997.
When was the G6 released, in January or February 2017? And you're seriously considering to buy the next phone only after few months?
So are you still surprised, why LG stops providing updates of android regularly when people are willing to pay money every few months?
I mean, seriously?
September 1st patch, in EU on o2 .
But I have the unlocked H870DS (International ver. of TWN).
I was wondering if the lg v30+ comes with the same headphones as the international version
Mine came with the premium headphones from Bang and Olufson or however u spell it lol. They are branded "LG" tho. I've been using them the last 2 days while working and they are AMAZING. I have a complete unboxing of the Sprint V30+ on YouTube, if u wanna check it out here: it shows the headphones and everything: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UwHrluRZAOs
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Sorry, but I see LG QuadBeat 3 and no B&O headphones in your video.
B&O headphones look like these in the LG v30 presentation ( s.attachment): different earpiece shape, different jack (straight and not angled) and different kind of cable.
LG QuadBeat 3 sound everything but amazing.
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Sorry, but I see LG QuadBeat 3 and no B&O headphones in your video.
B&O headphones look like these in the LG v30 presentation ( s.attachment): different earpiece shape, different jack (straight and not angled) and different kind of cable.
LG QuadBeat 3 sound everything but amazing.
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My bad I completely misunderstood lol. I was thinking he was talking about if they came with headphones period. But after listening to them, I personally like them. I've heard much worse headphones packaged with phones. Samsung can't make a good headphone to save their life.
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I feel very dumb. I did not even check to see if this device came with headphones at all. I don't have the V30+. Mine didn't come with any but gee wiz, I've got quite a few pairs of Apple headphones I can't use.
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Septembersrain said:
I feel very dumb. I did not even check to see if this device came with headphones at all. I don't have the V30+. Mine didn't come with any but gee wiz, I've got quite a few pairs of Apple headphones I can't use.
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LG made a very big deal about how every LG V30 would come with B&O premium headphones.
With the V30, LG continues its close partnership with B&O PLAY. B&O PLAY refined the audio capabilities in the V30 by fine-tuning the overall sound experience and adding its own exclusive touch. A set of high quality B&O PLAY earphones comes bundled with the V30 for hours of listening pleasure with style.
“For most people, listening to the music they love is a fundamental part of their lives and they expect the same uncompromised experience and quality from their headphones as they do from the mobile device they source music from,” said John Mollanger, CEO of B&O PLAY. “That’s why B&O PLAY is very excited for our long-term partnership with LG and satisfying global music lovers world over.”
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Note in the press release they said "V30" -- not just V30+ -- and note the word "global" in the statement. So, they were saying or very strongly implying every V30 all over the world would receive a pair of B&O headphones.
They issued this statement via world wide press release as well as on their general worldwide LG.com website -- not their country specific South Korea website. (lge.co.kr/) Yet, turns out the B&O headphones in "every V30 box" so far were in South Korea, LG's home country.
LG Canada said they couldn't do it because of "licensing" issues. This is why over here in North America at least the phones don't even have B&O logos on the back (like the picture above). B&O already has exclusive licensing for other products in North America. So, over here, no LG V30 is getting B&O earbuds in the box, and only the LG V30+ has headphones. (I guess part of the "plus" experience? More storage and quad DAC earbuds.) The LG V30+ headphones are not B&O branded, they are quad DAC earbuds by LG -- which audiophiles say are not as good as B&O-branded earbuds. Still probably better than Dollar Store earbuds, you know?
But quite different from "every LG V30 across the world gets a pair of B&O earbuds" -- which was the story LG was telling back in August. I was one who believed LG. They should know about licensing issues BEFORE making such an announcement or they should say "in select countries". It's the same thing they did with the LG G6, just not as bad. They leaked "quad DAC", "64GB storage", "Qi wireless charging" -- then regionalized the specs so you could not buy an LG G6 with all those specifications.
I've now bought a pair of premium high impedance earbuds* to use with my LG V30, which will be coming in December sometime (official carrier unlocked US998), but it makes me feel wary towards LG. This is twice this year (LG G6, now LG V30), where they've promised something they didn't deliver.
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* I bought the triple driver model which a reviewer said sounded practically as good as the quad driver to him. $80 retail vs $200. And I snagged them for $55 a couple of weeks ago. Now temporarily out of stock.
Read the review:
1MORE Triple Driver In-Ear Headphone review
Stunning value
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/1more-triple-driver-in-ear-headphone
two other reviews:
https://www.audiophileon.com/news/1more-triple-driver-in-ear-headphone-review
I am blown away. The 1More Triple driver didn't just perform well over the course of our review, the absolutely decimated most of the competition in the sub $100 price point and remains competitive up to $200. It's a unique sounding earphone for this price point with lots of detail, clarity and a faily balanced yet smooth signature.
The Shure SE215 are one of my go-to recommendations at this price point and that still stands if you want a more bass heavy emphasis but side by side they couldn't be more different. The 1More Triple driver is full of energy and can really push the speed when needed to. They almost make the SE215 seem laggy by comparison.
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https://www.pcmag.com/review/347194/1more-triple-driver-in-ear-headphones
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LG made a very big deal about how every LG V30 would come with B&O premium headphones.
Note in the press release they said "V30" -- not just V30+ -- and note the world "global" in the statement. So, they were saying or very strongly implying every V30 all over the world would receive a pair of B&O headphones.
They issued this statement via world wide press release as well as on their general worldwide LG.com website -- not their country specific South Korea website. (lge.co.kr/) Yet, turns out the B&O headphones in "every V30 box" so far were in South Korea, LG's home country.
LG Canada said they couldn't do it because of "licensing" issues. This is why over here in North America at least the phones don't even have B&O logos on the back (like the picture above). B&O already has exclusive licensing for other products in North America. So, over here, no LG V30 is getting B&O earbuds in the box, and only the LG V30+ has headphones. (I guess part of the "plus" experience? More storage and quad DAC earbuds.) The LG V30+ headphones are not B&O branded, they are quad DAC earbuds by LG -- which audiophiles say are not as good as B&O-branded earbuds. Still probably better than Dollar Store earbuds, you know?
But quite different from "every LG V30 across the world gets a pair of B&O earbuds" -- which was the story LG was telling back in August. I was one who believed LG. They should know about licensing issues BEFORE making such an announcement or they should say "in select countries". It's the same thing they did with the LG G6, just not as bad. They leaked "quad DAC", "64GB storage", "Qi wireless charging" -- then regionalized the specs so you could not buy an LG G6 with all those specifications.
I've now bought a pair of premium high impedance earbuds* to use with my LG V30, which will be coming in December sometime (official carrier unlocked US998), but it makes me feel wary towards LG. This is twice this year (LG G6, now LG V30), where they've promised something they didn't deliver.
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* I bought the triple driver model which a reviewer said sounded practically as good as the quad driver to him. $80 retail vs $200. And I snagged them for $55 a couple of weeks ago. Now temporarily out of stock.
Read the review:
1MORE Triple Driver In-Ear Headphone review
Stunning value
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/1more-triple-driver-in-ear-headphone
two other reviews:
https://www.audiophileon.com/news/1more-triple-driver-in-ear-headphone-review
https://www.pcmag.com/review/347194/1more-triple-driver-in-ear-headphones
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Oh! I had just assumed the B&O thing was just for S. Korea. It's a shame we didn't get them. I wouldn't have been able to use them either. I can't wear headphones in my ears comfortably. I can barely stand the over the ear ones either.
It's so weird but the only type I like are the ones that go behind the ear.
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There are a lot of italien reviews of the V30+ on YouTube and all got the B&O headphones. The B&O headphones are also advertised on the italian product page of the V30+. Everyone except of the US is getting them. Sprint got the LG Quadbeat ear buds instead for the V30+ but the other US carriers didn't care at all.
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There are a lot of italien reviews of the V30+ on YouTube and all got the B&O headphones. The B&O headphones are also advertised on the italian product page of the V30+. Everyone except of the US is getting them. Sprint got the LG Quadbeat ear buds instead for the V30+ but the other US carriers didn't care at all.
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I thought the v30+ is not going to be released in Europe...
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I thought the v30+ is not going to be released in Europe...
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See here: http://www.lg.com/it/telefoni-cellulari/lg-LGH930G-lg-v30-plus-aurora-black
No release in the german speaking countrys sadly. I'm considering importing it from Italy ...
LG v30+ for official carrier unlocked versions H930 and US998?
LG v30+ for official carrier unlocked versions H930 and US998?
Here's what I don't understand about the availability of the LG V30+ and colors of either the LG V30/LG V30+.
For the carriers -- OK, especially U.S. carriers -- LG is saying that the colors and models (V30, V30+) are chosen by the carriers, thus lack of the Moroccan Blue in the U.S. for instance. And the two SMALLEST carriers in the U.S. (Sprint and U.S. Cellular) got the V30+ while the three largest carriers (Verizon, AT&T, T-mobile) did not. VERY STRANGE.
But LG says that's the CARRIERS' choice, and the carriers say NO, that's what LG is offering them. Especially the colors.
Well, here's where it hits the fan...
LG is the ONLY entity choosing what phones they sell as "open market" phones, a.k.a. official carrier unlocked phones -- the phones eligible for official bootloader unlock.
Where's the V30+?
Where's all the colors?
The official carrier unlocked US998 (not sold by any carriers, NOT the U.S. Cellular version) is ONLY silver so far -- and ONLY V30 (64GB configuration). At least that's all that B&H Photo is showing on their website as of October 29, 2017.
Where's the 128GB LG V30+ US998, and in Moroccan Blue?
Or even the LG V30+ for US998 in Black? We see that U.S. Cellular is selling their US998 (not eligible for bootloader unlock) in LG V30+ in both Silver and Black, so we know the BLACK LG V30+ US998 EXISTS. Why won't LG sell it to us?
(Since I want bootloader unlock and root, I will only be buying the official carrier unlocked versions, not the U.S. Cellular carrier version which regrettably shares the same model number.)
Actually, for BOTH the official carrier unlocked versions H930 and US998? Where's the V30+ and all the color choices?
Europe H930 is getting Moroccan Blue in regular LG V30 (64GB) configuration -- but North American US998 is not even getting that. But where's the LG V30+ for the H930 carrier unlocked version?
It's almost like LG doesn't want our money!
SchinkenSpicker said:
See here: http://www.lg.com/it/telefoni-cellulari/lg-LGH930G-lg-v30-plus-aurora-black
No release in the german speaking countrys sadly. I'm considering importing it from Italy ...
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Thanks for the info. Hm guess I will import from Italy too. Hopefully it will be in Amazon sooner than later. Would prefer that cause of the good conditions.
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LG v30+ for official carrier unlocked versions H930 and US998?
Here's what I don't understand about the availability of the LG V30+ and colors of either the LG V30/LG V30+.
For the carriers -- OK, especially U.S. carriers -- LG is saying that the colors and models (V30, V30+) are chosen by the carriers, thus lack of the Moroccan Blue in the U.S. for instance. And the two SMALLEST carriers in the U.S. (Sprint and U.S. Cellular) got the V30+ while the three largest carriers (Verizon, AT&T, T-mobile) did not. VERY STRANGE.
But LG says that's the CARRIERS' choice, and the carriers say NO, that's what LG is offering them. Especially the colors.
Well, here's where it hits the fan...
The official carrier unlocked US998 (not sold by any carriers, NOT the U.S. Cellular version) is ONLY silver so far -- and ONLY V30 (64GB configuration). At least that's all that B&H Photo is showing on their website as of October 29, 2017.
Where's the 128GB LG V30+ US998, and in Moroccan Blue?
Or even the LG V30+ for US998 in Black? We see that U.S. Cellular is selling their US998 (not eligible for bootloader unlock) in LG V30+ in both Silver and Black, so we know it EXISTS. Why won't LG sell it to us? (Since I want bootloader unlock and root, I will only be buying the official carrier unlocked versions, not the U.S. Cellular carrier version which regrettably shares the same model number.)
Actually, for BOTH the official carrier unlocked versions H930 and US998?
Europe H930 is getting Moroccan Blue in 64GB configuration -- but North American US998 is not even getting that. But where's the LG V30+ for the H930 carrier unlocked version?
It's almost like LG doesn't want our money!
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I don't get it what lg is doing with there releases. It could have been so easy. The phone was announced 2 month ago and nobody knows exactly what is coming in which configuration.
They could have just released the same variants worldwide. With carriers choosing to lock the bootloader.
They are just about to fail another phone launch. Most people will buy another phone that's actually available because the v30 is not or they have no idea when it will launch.
I hate that. I wanted that phone so badly but I already have the Huawei mate 10 preorder in my amazon basket.
If it's not going to be released before the mate 10 it will be that phone.
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I know the S9 and LG7 are just rumors and there's little news, but I'm looking for some insight into what's likely to happen based on previous releases and time frames.
The problem I'm currently having with buying the unlocked V30 now (after waiting a couple months for the actual release) is the Snapdragon 845 chipset in early 2018 as well as rumors of the S9 and LG7 releasing in January. While I'd rather not wait, I certainly can wait.
I want an unlocked phone with root (and a headphone jack) that's 100% compatible with Verizon. Based on the history of Samsung S8 (and previous) and LG G6 (and previous) how likely is it we'll get this in an S9 or LG7 at all (vs before February)?
I've had high hopes for the Razer Phone, Google Pixel 2 XL, S8 Active, One Plus 5T, etc, etc, etc.... all failed for various reasons like incomplete Verizon support, no headphone jacks, etc. It shouldn't be this complicated, ha.
So, any thoughts on the unlocked V30 now... or holding off (painfully, but maybe smartly) for an unlocked G7???
thank you.
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So, any thoughts on the unlocked V30 now... or holding off (painfully, but maybe smartly) for an unlocked G7???
thank you.
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You'll be waiting a long time. G6 unlocked finally was released in May, but not placed on the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list until well into June for the European unlocked version. Was June 29 (practically JULY) for the North American US997.
Oh, LG will ANNOUNCE G7 in January or February. For CARRIERS. But to get an unlocked open market version in your hands and get it on the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list? Mid-June to July.
Look at the V30. ANNOUNCED August 31. North America carrier unlocked V30 version (not even V30+ yet) shipped December 1, and hopefully placed on the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list by end of the year.
For some reason, LG S-T-RE-T-C-H-E-S it out. They can't just announce a phone and release it.
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You'll be waiting a long time. G6 unlocked was released in May, but not placed on the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list until well into June for the European unlocked version. Was June 29 (practically JULY) for the North American US997.
Oh, they'll ANNOUNCE G7 in January or February. For CARRIERS. But to get an unlocked open market version in your hands and get it on the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list? Mid-June to July.
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Thank you... that's exactly the kind of info I was looking for. I don't follow phone hardware unless I'm looking to buy and since I only buy every 2-3 years I suck on following the trends and history of what actually happens.
I suspected that would be the case, oh well. V30 it most likely is then.
EDIT... since I have you online... the unlocked V30 from B&H supports every Verizon band for LTE and CDMA yes? Just double checking if you happen to know.
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I know the S9 and LG7 are just rumors and there's little news, but I'm looking for some insight into what's likely to happen based on previous releases and time frames.
The problem I'm currently having with buying the unlocked V30 now (after waiting a couple months for the actual release) is the Snapdragon 845 chipset in early 2018 as well as rumors of the S9 and LG7 releasing in January. While I'd rather not wait, I certainly can wait.
I want an unlocked phone with root (and a headphone jack) that's 100% compatible with Verizon. Based on the history of Samsung S8 (and previous) and LG G6 (and previous) how likely is it we'll get this in an S9 or LG7 at all (vs before February)?
I've had high hopes for the Razer Phone, Google Pixel 2 XL, S8 Active, One Plus 5T, etc, etc, etc.... all failed for various reasons like incomplete Verizon support, no headphone jacks, etc. It shouldn't be this complicated, ha.
So, any thoughts on the unlocked V30 now... or holding off (painfully, but maybe smartly) for an unlocked G7???
thank you.
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Why did 5T failed for you?
I kinda have a similar internal struggle right now xD
My current OnePlus 2 still works fine, especially with all those Oreo ROMs now, but... I kinda wanna have something new, yet I should safe more money (poor student problems lol).
And i dont wanna "waste" my money on a phone thats completly locked down, or has barely any support (had that with the G Pro, was kinda.... meh, even though it was a really great phone actually, but barely any devs there), and we dont know that for sure yet about the V30...
It also doesnt kinda "fullfill" all of the things i have on my wishlist for my next phone (like a metal back, USB 3.0/3.1 Gen 1 or Gen 2).
And then... with the rumors of the Galaxy S9 and LG G7 maybe be announced in January with the Snapdragon 845... feels a bit like i would buy an outdated phone (by the time the US version also gets its unlocked bootloader, and the community starts to build ROMs and so xD)
Edit: And with my "new" carrier here for mobile internet, my phones missing LTE Band 20 (have the chinese oneplus 2, which doesnt support that, and unlocking didnt work :/)
And dont forget Project Treble... which would also be nice xD
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Why did 5T failed for you?
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doesn't support Verizon CDMA, also no waterproofing (not required, but nice bonus for my line of work)
http://www.androidguys.com/2017/11/21/fyi-the-oneplus-5t-wont-work-well-on-verizon-or-sprint/
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So, any thoughts on the unlocked V30 now... or holding off (painfully, but maybe smartly) for an unlocked G7???
thank you.
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It's said that LG7 with 845 may come in June at earliest due that Samsung not gonna give anybody first batches of 845 chip. So, if want 845 you'll end up buying S9 or wait for almost a year LOL
Hello guys my screen on my h932 is messed up and even though i love this phone i dont want another lg phone nor want or need a 1000 dollar phone all i need is a phone that is as vanilla as possible and can play good music like the v30 does.
Any idea what device can do those?
I dont mind flashing custom rom to get those beautiful sounds
The Razer Phone 2 is pretty good, BUT you need a dongle.
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The Razer Phone 2 is pretty good, BUT you need a dongle.
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Thanks man ill check it out
el.quechon said:
Hello guys my screen on my h932 is messed up and even though i love this phone i dont want another lg phone nor want or need a 1000 dollar phone all i need is a phone that is as vanilla as possible and can play good music like the v30 does.
Any idea what device can do those?
I dont mind flashing custom rom to get those beautiful sounds
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Don't think there's any non LG phone with this good audio. Try and see if Axon phones have a high quality dac
Otherwise I'd say redmi k20 pro is a pretty solid phone for the price of around 350$
I was also thinking about maybe replacing the screen but i see that tmobile v30 costs almost the same as a replacement screen
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Hello guys my screen on my h932 is messed up and even though i love this phone i dont want another lg phone nor want or need a 1000 dollar phone all i need is a phone that is as vanilla as possible and can play good music like the v30 does.
Any idea what device can do those?
I dont mind flashing custom rom to get those beautiful sounds
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Get another V30 -- especially V30+. Are you a T-mobile customer? Even T-mobile customers often use US998 instead of T-mobile H932. The Dev who rooted the T-mobile H932 sold it, briefly got a crappy OnePlus, then came back to V30 but got US998 V30+. He's a T-mobile customer.
You can get MINT US998V30+ for like $130 on eBay.
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Get another V30 -- especially V30+. Are you a T-mobile customer? Even T-mobile customers often use US998 instead of T-mobile H932. The Dev who rooted the T-mobile H932 sold it, briefly got a crappy OnePlus, then came back to V30 but got US998 V30+. He's a T-mobile customer.
You can get MINT US998V30+ for like $130 on eBay.
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Thanks a lot man i will be doing that buying right now
Edit: ordered already that quality of music from v30 cant keep me away from it
I cracked my V30 screen too, couldn't stand looking at it anymore so I grabbed a mint condition V40 for $180. The screens only .4 inches bigger but that lil bit makes a huge difference. Plus the colors/resolution are much better too. V50 is nearly identical except for 128GB vs 64GB, a lil bigger battery and 5G, everything else is same, chip, RAM, screen, size.. Still use the V30 though for root apps.
This is what I would get if my V30 died today:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/362882303051
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I cracked my V30 screen too, couldn't stand looking at it anymore so I grabbed a mint condition V40 for $180. The screens only .4 inches bigger but that lil bit makes a huge difference. Plus the colors/resolution are much better too. V50 is nearly identical except for 128GB vs 64GB, a lil bigger battery and 5G, everything else is same, chip, RAM, screen, size..
Still use the V30 though for root apps.
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My two US998 V30+ are both 128GB.
2018 V40 (Snapdragon 845) has completely different chipset from 2019 V50 (Snapdragon 855).
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This is what I would get if my V30 died today:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/362882303051
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Nah. Notch.
If you're going to get a 2018 LG 64GB Snapdragon 845, get the LG V35 not the V3l40
V35 is a V40 in a V30 case, but with no notch.
V35 is also less expensive than the V40, but same internal specs. Not only sold by AT&T, but Amazon, several Latin America variants and North American Open Market, all of which can be cross flashed.
Drawback is the only ones available are 64GB. I have one mint, still in the box.
Brazil got 128GB V35+, but I can't get one online.
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Nah. Notch.
If you're going to get a 2018 LG 64GB Snapdragon 845, get the LG V35 not the V3l40
V35 is a V40 in a V30 case, but with no notch.
V35 is also less expensive than the V40, but same internal specs. Not only sold by AT&T, but Amazon, several Latin America variants and North American Open Market, all of which can be cross flashed.
Drawback is the only ones available are 64GB. I have one mint, still in the box.
Brazil got 128GB V35+, but I can't get one online.
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Are either of the V35 or V40 bootloader unlocked yet? That would be a major dealbreaker for me.
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Drawback is the only ones available are 64GB. I have one mint, still in the box.
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LMFAO man, when my V30 dies I'm going to PM you to buy a V30 from you. You have about 10.
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Are either of the V35 or V40 bootloader unlocked yet? That would be a major dealbreaker for me.
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EU V40 has the LG official bootloader unlock.
All others including V35 have paid root through TeamViewer, which may or may not include Bootloader Unlock. People remote into your PC and work on your phone through your PC. Costs like $20, I think?
Or you can buy a used phone, already rooted from China seller.
This is why V35 in particular never took off in this forum (unlike V30), and has no custom ROMs, etc.
Dev runningnak3d started working DYI Bootloader Unlock and Root on the V35, then gave up.
V35 is a better phone than the V40. It's sad that LG caved into the notch on the V40.
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EU V40 has the LG official bootloader unlock.
All others including V35 have paid root through TeamViewer, which may or may not include Bootloader Unlock. People remote into your PC and work on your phone through your PC. Costs like $20, I think?
Or you can buy a used phone, already rooted from China seller.
This is why V35 in particular never took off in this forum (unlike V30), and has no custom ROMs, etc.
Dev runningnak3d started working DYI Bootloader Unlock and Root on the V35, then gave up.
V35 is a better phone than the V40. It's sad that LG caved into the notch on the V40.
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So no, they aren't That's a shame, there's no way I'm letting someone into my PC on TV, that's insane. Still rocking the 128GB V30+ so guess I'll stick with it forever!
how about the lg g8 ( unlocked from sprint/verizon ) ? any possibility of flashing stock rom on that?
I went with the v30 im getting it today the 998 version 128gb just 130 dollars didnt want to spend too much money been happy with v30 when the new one dies ill get v40 maybe
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I went with the v30 im getting it today the 998 version 128gb just 130 dollars didnt want to spend too much money been happy with v30 when the new one dies ill get v40 maybe
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That's called the V30+ and you've made the right choice.
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Get another V30 -- especially V30+. Are you a T-mobile customer? Even T-mobile customers often use US998 instead of T-mobile H932. The Dev who rooted the T-mobile H932 sold it, briefly got a crappy OnePlus, then came back to V30 but got US998 V30+. He's a T-mobile customer.
You can get MINT US998V30+ for like $130 on eBay.
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Now $125 from same seller:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/LG-V30-US998-128GB-Titan-Black-Unlocked-Smartphone-9-10/183795406681
Got my baby it looks brand new
I am in the same boat: My H932 V30+ is finished, digitizer got wonky to the point where I couldn't use it anymore. I didn't want to spend $150 to repair it this time, but also not sure what to choose instead.
Following are my thoughts:
1) I love V30+ and would buy another in a heartbeat if I could get a new one at a reasonable price with 2 years warranty. Between my wife's and my own V30 I've seen enough issues that I want (need) that warranty. Buying used or "seller refurbished" I'd assume that either the battery is in poor shape, OR the phone has been opened and lost IP68, OR both. I don't trust ”mint" to mean anything other than "no deep scratches". I am not ruling it out, but it has to be cheap compared to the alternatives.
2) I always found V35 a great alternative, being a V30 with 6GB/SD845. I really kick myself for not buying one of those unlocked Cricket/AT&T units for $149 last summer. Right now it's probably my best bet at ~$275-300 new (2 years warranty). Downsides are just 64GB (not much on an A/B slot phone). And it would be an AT&T model which cannot be updated without cross-flashing -- which will lose that 2 year warranty anyway. Non-AT&T variants (ULM/GFI) are overpriced.
3) I've looked at G8, which is now $4-500 new for TMO/AT&T variants (more for factory unlocked QM7 variants). Solid specs with 6GB/128GB/SD855. It also supports Band 71 which I would like: If TMO ever goes live with B71 where I live, I'll switch my Red Pocket plan from AT&T to TMO and gain VoLTE. (V30 and V35 don't have B71, except H932 which I would never buy again). But G8 price is still too high for me. And I hate that power button on the side, love V30's fingerprint/power combo on the back. I am OK with G8's form factor and notch, although not as elegant as V30/V35. I also found my V30 screen to be better than G8, even after adjusting color and brightness settings.
4) I don't really need root: I can uninstall bloat and trackers with ADB, and I am more concerned about warranty anyway. But I hate not having the OPTION to root after the warranty period. That of course means V30 > V35 > G8: I don't expect G8 will ever get root. I am not ruling out remote root of V35, though I dislike it as much as the next guy. And I doubt there will ever be custom ROMs to keep V35 relevant after LG stops updating.
5) Unfortunately Quad DAC is less of a priority for me than it was: In just a couple months Meniere's disease has killed my ability to listen to music at anything but the most rudimentary level. I am still hoping I can beat it or improve it over time, so having the Quad DAC would be nice. But if such a wonderful thing were to happen, I could just buy a USB DAC or Shanling M0. Most of my listening is (was) at home anyway.
6) I checked OnePlus 7T in a TMO store and would consider it (not from TMO, of course) if it cost less (currently $599); and more importantly, if the form factor wasn't so ridiculous: It's narrower than V30 and about 12 inches long (well, maybe not quite ) The OnePlus notch is the best I've seen, and I could live with it.
I've been using my old Nexus 5 backup phone for the last few weeks, hoping some deal will come out to sway me one way or another. But that may not happen until after MWC in late February...
Any thoughts or input are much appreciated.
Edit: I saw the eBay listing linked by @ChazzMatt and wrote the seller to ask if he can say anything about battery and whether the phones have been opened. I imagine he bought them bulk, so may not be possible for him to answer -- which I can understand.
So what is everyone looking at to replace the v30 for 5g and beyond. Thx...
Maybe LG V60?
Wysłane z mojego LG-H930 przy użyciu Tapatalka
skretch said:
Maybe LG V60?
Wysłane z mojego LG-H930 przy użyciu Tapatalka
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Except LG V60 (allegedly flagship phone!) only has 1080p vs the QHD 1440p all LG flagship phones have had for years. I've had 1440p since 2014 Moto Quark and I'm NOT downgrading.
They did that for the stupid dual display gimmick, so resolution would match on both screens. Give me ONE good screen. I don't want two.
I use the HDMI out & MiraCast (not ChromeCast) on my V30 frequently. So I'd be looking for phones that could do both of those.
ChazzMatt said:
Except LG V60 (allegedly flagship phone!) only has 1080p vs the QHD 1440p all LG flagship phones have had for years. I've had 1440p since 2014 Moto Quark and I'm NOT downgrading.
They did that for the stupid dual display gimmick, so resolution would match on both screens. Give me ONE good screen. I don't want two.
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I see the 60Hz being a bigger fail. I got a Realme X2 Pro after my LG V30 and I'd take 1080p 90Hz over a 1440p 60Hz any day. Not to mention that this panel looks better than what my LG looked like with a grainy display (that honestly didn't bother me at all at the time, but this one looks much clearer).
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I see the 60Hz being a bigger fail.
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Well that too. In 2020 for flagship phone you need 1440p and more than 60Hz. Even the OnePlus Pro (which has so much stuff removed -- like headset jack, no microSD card) has 1440p and more than 60Hz.
I make fun of OnePlus for their misleading lies but in this one case they are giving better display than LG.
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So what is everyone looking at to replace the v30 for 5g and beyond. Thx...
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It depends on what aspects of LG V30 you liked and stuff that you didn't like.
For example if you liked wired audio, your choices are very limited.
Anyone hear about motorola one fusion plus?
Well, I'm a Verizon customer. The two I have been looking at on their website are the one plus 8 (they don't offer the pro) and the LG v60. Pluses and cons for both. The LG is about $50 more, so in the end, that might be the deciding factor. But, I'm not looking too seriously right now. It will still probably be awhile before I get a new one.
These are the two "flag ship" phones I have been looking at. Not really looking at the Motorola razor or the Samsung ones as they are both quite a bit more costly.
gimpy1 said:
Well, I'm a Verizon customer. The two I have been looking at on their website are the one plus 8 (they don't offer the pro) and the LG v60. Pluses and cons for both. The LG is about $50 more, so in the end, that might be the deciding factor. But, I'm not looking too seriously right now. It will still probably be awhile before I get a new one.
These are the two "flag ship" phones I have been looking at. Not really looking at the Motorola razor or the Samsung ones as they are both quite a bit more costly.
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If you wait until next year -- after December 31, 2020 -- Verizon will drop CDMA and be LTE only. At that point, it might not matter so much if it's a "Verizon" phone or just a carrier unlocked phone.
For instance, the 2020 VERIZON Galaxy Galaxy S20 doesn't have a microSD card while all other variants (including Samsung's official carrier unlocked) does have microSD card. Why doesn't Verizon's? Allegedly because Verizon's 5G antennas are too bulky -- so they had to save space somewhere. But you STILL need a special case for the Verizon Galaxy S20, as it's not the same size as other carrier S20, even without microSD slot! Verizon also dropped RAM from 12GB to 8GB Did AT&T drop the microSD card and reduce RAM? They use the exact same flavor 5G as Verizon... Or is it because (for now) Verizon has CDMA, LTE, and G5 antennas? Well, next year they won't.
What’s likely happening here is that Samsung needed to figure out a way to bring mmWave support to the Verizon Galaxy S20 without increasing manufacturing costs too much. For whatever reason, it decided dropping the RAM amount by 4GB and ditching the microSD card slot.
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Also don't be swayed by 5G claims. "mmWave" with higher frequencies -- the variant Verizon and AT&T are building out -- is aptly named. It basically can't even pass through a mm of glass window. T-mobile is building out lower frequency 5G which travels for longer distances but is like 200mbps instead of 500mbps. Still fast enough!
Point is, I don't care about 5G since it is going to drain battery life.
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For instance, the 2020 VERIZON Galaxy Galaxy S20 doesn't have a microSD card while all other variants (including Samsung's official carrier unlocked) does have microSD card. Why doesn't Verizon's? Allegedly because Verizon's G5 antennas are too bulky -- so they had to save space somewhere. But you STILL need a special case for the Verizon Galaxy S20, as it's not the same size as other carrier S20, even without microSD slot! Verizon also dropped RAM from 12GB to 8GB Did AT&T drop the microSD card and reduce RAM? They use the exact same flavor G5 as Verizon... Or is it because (for now) Verizon has CDMA, LTE, and G5 antennas? Well, next year they won't.
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Verizon has a long storied history of procuring nerfed versions of smartphones, unfortunately. It's one of the many reasons I walked away from them. Great signal; horrible everything else.
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Verizon has a long storied history of procuring nerfed versions of smartphones, unfortunately. It's one of the many reasons I walked away from them. Great signal; horrible everything else.
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Ditto. And they're also well known for lying and saying a phone won't work or isn't allowed on their network, even though you can take an activated SIM and drop it in with no problem (eg, my V30 H931 (originally) which runs fine with VS996 installed).
This is why I switched to Total Wireless. They don't play the dumb IMEI game that VZ does, you save money, and you still get VZ towers.
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Verizon has a long storied history of procuring nerfed versions of smartphones, unfortunately. It's one of the many reasons I walked away from them. Great signal; horrible everything else.
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Yes, long storied history. Here's my Verizon story which covers 2014 - 2016 involving lying and nerfing...
1) Verizon lied about the 2014 Droid Turbo being global exclusive. It wasn't even exclusive device to Verizon in the U.S. and I proved it to the dismay of XDA Verizon fanbois.
2) In 2016, Verizon delayed giving Marshmallow update for six months while all other worldwide versions had that update, because 2014 Droid Turbo with Marshmallow was equal or better to all their other 2016 NEW phones Verizon were trying to sell. So, they nerfed the Droid Turbo until after the 2016 Q3/Q4 back-to-school and holiday sales had finished.
Here's the full story:
MOTO QUARK
I bought three of the 2014 Moto "Quark", which was the best phone of 2014, the smaller sibling of the Moto Nexus 6. Both designed by Google when they owned Motorola -- with almost identical specs except for size. Remember these were awesome specs in 2014: 3GB RAM, 5.2" 1440p OLED, Qi wireless charging, 21MP camera, 3900 mAh battery (Quark). Yes, Quark had 5.2" display, but back then phones were smaller and until that year, the Nexus model number had NOTHING to do with screen size. It was merely the generation number. 2011 Nexus 3 (4.65"), 2012 Nexus 4 (4.75") 2013 and Nexus 5 (4.95") were all almost 5". The 4.95" Nexus 5 (2013) was merely the 5TH Nexus -- had nothing to do with screen size. But for some reason, Google decided the 2014 Nexus 6 should be 6" because their Nexus 7 tablet was 7"...
Until August 2014, Google was testing TWO different versions for the 2014 Nexus -- the 5.2" and the 6". They ended up going with the 6" and the 5.2" was re-purposed to be the Moto Quark. Ironically, the smaller Moto Quark had a larger battery (3900 mAh) than the larger Moto Nexus 6.
But about that time, Google was selling Motorola to Lenovo. So, to blunt the the competition from a FANTASTIC phone to compete with Moto Nexus 6, Google/Lenovo decided to sell the Moto Quark under different model names in different regions, different carriers. Stupidity, personified. "Quark" is the series code name, like "Joan" is for the V30. We all started calling it that because it was the SAME phone series, just like for V30, a US998 is same phone as EU H930. Just different firmware and (maybe) bands.
DROID TURBO/MOTO TURBO/MOTO MAXX
However, not only were they all the same series (like our V30 US998 and H930), but TWO of Quark models were exact clones of each other. Even same FCC ID.
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Verizon's version was called Droid Turbo (XT1254). And it was identical in every way -- including same FCC number to the Moto Maxx (XT1250) sold by other U.S. (regional) carriers. Well identical in every way, except the Moto Maxx had Motorola sanctioned bootloader unlock, while the Verizon Droid Turbo did not. The Moto Maxx XT1250 even ran on Verizon with Verizon SIM card, because guess why? It had the exact same FCC number, and thus had identical bands, etc. To Verizon's network, it was indeed a "Droid Turbo". (I predicted this was possible, then users proved it.)
In Romeo and Juliet, Shakespeare said, "That which we call a rose / By any other name would smell as sweet."
So, the Moto Maxx XT1250 was basically the "Dev" version of the the Droid Turbo XT1254. Buy it, unlock bootloader, install TWRP, put in Verizon SIM card. You could even flash Verizon firmware if you wished. Much like our V30 US998 to VS996 Frankenstein. But remember this was back in 2014... Cross flashing Verizon FIRMWARE over XT1250 worked because it was ALREADY the same phone.
There was a 3rd Moto Quark (or 2nd if you count the XT1254/XT1250 clones as the same phone), called the XT1225. In India, this variant was sold as the "Moto Turbo (XT1225)." In Latin America, it was sold as Moto Maxx (XT1225). Yes, it had different bands from the Droid Turbo XT1254/Moto Maxx XT1250, but in a good way for me. It had no CDMA, but had extra LTE and HSPA bands, and had ALL the AT&T bands, including the new (at the time) LTE band 5. However, you could not buy this one in the U.S.
So, I bought three -- importing them from Puerto Rico and Mexico. Bootloader unlocked, rooted, ran CM 12.1 and LOS Revolution Remix ROMs. (No you couldn't cross flash XT1225 firwmare over XT1254/XT1250 or vice versa.)
XDA DRAMA
With these specs in 2014 (3GB RAM, 5.2" 1440p OLED, Qi wireless charging, 21MP camera, 3900 mAh battery) and the too huge size at the time of the Moto Nexus 6, I decided the Moto Quark was my best bet to upgrade from the 4.95" 1080p LG Nexus 5 with too-small battery.
With me, so far? OK.
Back then, XDA tended to segregate all models according to carriers. The T-mobile Galaxy Widget would be separate from the Sprint Galaxy Widget, which would be separate from the AT&T Galaxy Widget. SO, people would coming in to a forum would automatically assume THEIR carrier version was what people were talking about. (Back in 2017, also had this trouble initially with T-mobile H932 users even in this V30 forum. Coming from older phones, some users don't understand changes.) But in late 2014, XDA started lumping all the models together -- like this V30 forum is now. Except XDA mistakenly called it the "Droid Turbo" forum and wouldn't re-name it "Quark" forum -- even though ALL the variants were being discussed there.
Adding fuel to fire, Verizon LIED in all their release hype and claimed their Droid Turbo (XT1254) was a GLOBAL EXCLUSIVE. The device wasn't even exclusive to them in the U.S. much less the entire world. (U.S. XT1250 was identical device, ran on Verizon with Verizon SIM card and had easy bootloader unlock.)
"Droid" is a trademark owned by Verizon. They can call any phone a "Droid". So, technically yes the Droid Turbo was exclusive to Verizon. But the exact same phone (same FCC ID) was being sold by a dozen regional LTE/CDMA carriers under the "Moto Maxx" (XT1250) model name. I even provided links to those carriers where people could buy these Moto Maxx XT1250.
Once I pointed out this fact -- Verizon was LYING through their teeth, the XT1250 was not only the same phone as the Verizon Droid Turbo but in fact a better phone due to easy bootloader unlock, PAGES of heated arguments ensued. Ignorant Verizon fanbois didn't want to believe it. They wanted to believe Verizon had cornered the market on this FANTASTIC phone. They were grudgingly willing to believe perhaps other variants like Moto Turbo XT1225 (with different bands, different FCC ID) existed for OTHER countries, but BY GOLLY, ONLY Verizon had this phone in the U.S.! (How can you love a carrier that much, like they are God? Or believe carrier PR hype that much?)
If you know anything about electronics, same FCC ID number carries weight of law due to the ADA law for handicaps/disabilities. Your company can fined by the U.S Government and be sued in class action lawsuit for millions of dollars if you mis-identify the characteristics of an electronic communication device, which is identified by the FCC number. You can call it whatever you like (Droid Turbo, Moto Maxx) but the FCC ID number is the unique identifier in the U.S. There's no way deep pockets Verizon nor Motorola/Lenovo would open themselves up to that kind of liability.
Plus, the Verizon fanbois didn't like that other Quark variants being discussed in THEIR forum. But this XT1254/XT1250 clone proof REALLY got under their skin. They called me a liar and worse -- even though I had FCC documentation. One of the FCC documents is attached, but I had whole chain of evidence, that not only was Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo XT1225 same specs as Droid Turbo XT1254 (so all were Quarks in spite of different model names), but furthermore that Moto Maxx XT1250 = Droid Turbo XT1254 to 100th decimal point.
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Mods got involved, thread was cleaned, people got warned and even banned. Months later, I ended up an XDA Recognized Contributor. Because of my extensive knowledge of the cell phone industry, I'm the one who figured all this out. I went looking through the FCC records and searching regional telephone carriers. Most people only know about the Big 4 (now Big 3) -- but there are many other carriers with their own towers and licences serving remote areas like in Appalachia, Alaska, parts of Michigan, etc. I'm not talking about MVNOs but actual carriers. Cricket and MetroPCS used to be regional standalone carriers before being bought by AT&T and T-mobile. Back then, LTE/CDMA carrier MetroPCS in particular would get the EXACT same phones as Verizon, but under a different model name. For instance, the Verizon LG Revolution = MetroPCS LG Esteem -- and LG didn't even bother removing the Revolution boot up animation from the media folder. It had both animations in the media folder. But it allowed Verizon to claim (fake) "exclusive" for LG Revolution. All that kind of stuff flies under the radar to people who only know about the major carriers.
As a result of all this conflict, XDA did open a separate Moto Maxx forum and moved all non Droid Turbo content over there. But the ironic thing is all Development (kernels, CM and later LOS ROMs) were posted there. So, Verizon "Droid Turbo" owners had to go over THERE (Moto Maxx forum) to get stuff, once Sunshine Dev team found an exploit to unlock the Verizon Droid Turbo variant bootloader about a year after release. Whereas, the Moto Turbo and Moto Maxx variants always had bootloader unlock, TWRP and ROMs. Droid Turbo was late to the party.
So, point is, Verizon lies about phones.
VERZION DELAYED OS UPDATE
Then, in July 2016 when Marshmallow update pushed from Motorola servers for ALL Moto Quark variants, the Verizon Droid Turbo did not get their update. Motorola confirmed they sent it to Verizon and it would be released by Verizon. When? Only Verizon knew. Maybe they were testing it? NO, they weren't. They were just sitting on it. Why? Because all the back-to-school new phone sales were starting, then the holiday new phone sales after that and the Droid Turbo specs were still too good. 3GB RAM, 5.2" 1440p OLED, Qi wireless charging, 21MP camera, 3900 mAh battery. THAT 2-year old phone with new OS would still be as good as or better than any new phone Verizon was selling! So, if they didn't update the OS, then people will have to buy new phone to get Marshmallow. Only end of December 2016 did Verizon finally release the Marshmallow update for their Quark -- and it immediately bricked the phones which had encrypted storage. So, Verizon had to pull the update for a couple of weeks, then release a revised version. That shows Verizon was NOT extensively testing it for six months, they were just sitting on it to nerf the Droid Turbo from being too good a phone so people with "old" phones would buy new ones.
Point is, Verizon will purposefully degrade (or delay updates) to an older phone to increase sales of newer phones.
They were also the first to insist upon bootloaders which could not be unlocked -- even for Google Nexus/Pixel phones.
ChazzMatt said:
Yes, long storied history. Here's my Verizon story which covers 2014 - 2016 involving lying and nerfing...
1) Verizon lied about the 2014 Droid Turbo being global exclusive. It wasn't even exclusive device to Verizon in the U.S. and I proved it to the dismay of XDA Verizon fanbois.
2) In 2016, Verizon delayed giving Marshmallow update for six months while all other worldwide versions had that update, because 2014 Droid Turbo with Marshmallow was equal or better to all their other 2016 NEW phones Verizon were trying to sell. So, they nerfed the Droid Turbo until after the 2016 Q3/Q4 back-to-school and holiday sales had finished.
Here's the full story:
MOTO QUARK
I bought three of the 2014 Moto "Quark", which was the best phone of 2014, the smaller sibling of the Moto Nexus 6. Both designed by Google when they owned Motorola -- with almost identical specs except for size. Remember these were awesome specs in 2014: 3GB RAM, 5.2" 1440p OLED, Qi wireless charging, 21MP camera, 3900 mAh battery (Quark). Yes, Quark had 5.2" display, but back then phones were smaller and until that year, the Nexus model number had NOTHING to do with screen size. It was merely the generation number. 2011 Nexus 3 (4.65"), 2012 Nexus 4 (4.75") 2013 and Nexus 5 (4.95") were all almost 5". The 4.95" Nexus 5 (2013) was merely the 5TH Nexus -- had nothing to do with screen size. But for some reason, Google decided the 2014 Nexus 6 should be 6" because their Nexus 7 tablet was 7"...
Until August 2014, Google was testing TWO different versions for the 2014 Nexus -- the 5.2" and the 6". They ended up going with the 6" and the 5.2" was re-purposed to be the Moto Quark. Ironically, the smaller Moto Quark had a larger battery (3900 mAh) than the larger Moto Nexus 6.
But about that time, Google was selling Motorola to Lenovo. So, to blunt the the competition from a FANTASTIC phone to compete with Moto Nexus 6, Google/Lenovo decided to sell the Moto Quark under different model names in different regions, different carriers. Stupidity, personified. "Quark" is the series code name, like "Joan" is for the V30. We all started calling it that because it was the SAME phone series, just like for V30, a US998 is same phone as EU H930. Just different firmware and (maybe) bands.
DROID TURBO/MOTO TURBO/MOTO MAXX
However, not only were they all the same series (like our V30 US998 and H930), but TWO of Quark models were exact clones of each other. Even same FCC ID.
Verizon's version was called Droid Turbo (XT1254). And it was identical in every way -- including same FCC number to the Moto Maxx (XT1250) sold by other U.S. (regional) carriers. Well identical in every way, except the Moto Maxx had Motorola sanctioned bootloader unlock, while the Verizon Droid Turbo did not. The Moto Maxx XT1250 even ran on Verizon with Verizon SIM card, because guess why? It had the exact same FCC number, and thus had identical bands, etc. To Verizon's network, it was indeed a "Droid Turbo". (I predicted this was possible, then users proved it.)
In Romeo and Juliet, Shakespeare said, "That which we call a rose / By any other name would smell as sweet."
So, the Moto Maxx XT1250 was basically the "Dev" version of the the Droid Turbo XT1254. Buy it, unlock bootloader, install TWRP, put in Verizon SIM card. You could even flash Verizon firmware if you wished. Much like our V30 US998 to VS996 Frankenstein. But remember this was back in 2014... Cross flashing Verizon FIRMWARE over XT1250 worked because it was ALREADY the same phone.
There was a 3rd Moto Quark (or 2nd if you count the XT1254/XT1250 clones as the same phone), called the XT1225. In India, this variant was sold as the "Moto Turbo (XT1225)." In Latin America, it was sold as Moto Maxx (XT1225). Yes, it had different bands from the Droid Turbo XT1254/Moto Maxx XT1250, but in a good way for me. It had no CDMA, but had extra LTE and HSPA bands, and had ALL the AT&T bands, including the new (at the time) LTE band 5. However, you could not buy this one in the U.S.
So, I bought three -- importing them from Puerto Rico and Mexico. Bootloader unlocked, rooted, ran CM 12.1 and LOS Revolution Remix ROMs. (No you couldn't cross flash XT1225 firwmare over XT1254/XT1250 or vice versa.)
XDA DRAMA
With these specs in 2014 (3GB RAM, 5.2" 1440p OLED, Qi wireless charging, 21MP camera, 3900 mAh battery) and the too huge size at the time of the Moto Nexus 6, I decided the Moto Quark was my best bet to upgrade from the 4.95" 1080p LG Nexus 5 with too-small battery.
With me, so far? OK.
Back then, XDA tended to segregate all models according to carriers. The T-mobile Galaxy Widget would be separate from the Sprint Galaxy Widget, which would be separate from the AT&T Galaxy Widget. SO, people would coming in to a forum would automatically assume THEIR carrier version was what people were talking about. (Back in 2017, also had this trouble initially with T-mobile H932 users even in this V30 forum. Coming from older phones, some users don't understand changes.) But in late 2014, XDA started lumping all the models together -- like this V30 forum is now. Except XDA mistakenly called it the "Droid Turbo" forum and wouldn't re-name it "Quark" forum -- even though ALL the variants were being discussed there.
Adding fuel to fire, Verizon LIED in all their release hype and claimed their Droid Turbo (XT1254) was a GLOBAL EXCLUSIVE. The device wasn't even exclusive to them in the U.S. much less the entire world. (U.S. XT1250 was identical device, ran on Verizon with Verizon SIM card and had easy bootloader unlock.)
"Droid" is a trademark owned by Verizon. They can call any phone a "Droid". So, technically yes the Droid Turbo was exclusive to Verizon. But the exact same phone (same FCC ID) was being sold by a dozen regional LTE/CDMA carriers under the "Moto Maxx" (XT1250) model name. I even provided links to those carriers where people could buy these Moto Maxx XT1250.
Once I pointed out this fact -- Verizon was LYING through their teeth, the XT1250 was not only the same phone as the Verizon Droid Turbo but in fact a better phone due to easy bootloader unlock, PAGES of heated arguments ensued. Ignorant Verizon fanbois didn't want to believe it. They wanted to believe Verizon had cornered the market on this FANTASTIC phone. They were grudgingly willing to believe perhaps other variants like Moto Turbo XT1225 (with different bands, different FCC ID) existed for OTHER countries, but BY GOLLY, ONLY Verizon had this phone in the U.S.! (How can you love a carrier that much, like they are God? Or believe carrier PR hype that much?)
If you know anything about electronics, same FCC ID number carries weight of law due to the ADA law for handicaps/disabilities. Your company can fined by the U.S Government and be sued in class action lawsuit for millions of dollars if you mis-identify the characteristics of an electronic communication device, which is identified by the FCC number. You can call it whatever you like (Droid Turbo, Moto Maxx) but the FCC ID number is the unique identifier in the U.S. There's no way deep pockets Verizon nor Motorola/Lenovo would open themselves up to that kind of liability.
Plus, the Verizon fanbois didn't like that other Quark variants being discussed in THEIR forum. But this XT1254/XT1250 clone proof REALLY got under their skin. They called me a liar and worse -- even though I had FCC documentation. One of the FCC documents is attached, but I had whole chain of evidence, that not only was Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo XT1225 same specs as Droid Turbo XT1254 (so all were Quarks in spite of different model names), but furthermore that Moto Maxx XT1250 = Droid Turbo XT1254 to 100th decimal point.
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Mods got involved, thread was cleaned, people got warned and even banned. Months later, I ended up an XDA Recognized Contributor. Because of my extensive knowledge of the cell phone industry, I'm the one who figured all this out. I went looking through the FCC records and searching regional telephone carriers. Most people only know about the Big 4 (now Big 3) -- but there are many other carriers with their own towers and licences serving remote areas like in Appalachia, Alaska, parts of Michigan, etc. I'm not talking about MVNOs but actual carriers. Cricket and MetroPCS used to be regional standalone carriers before being bought by AT&T and T-mobile. Back then, LTE/CDMA carrier MetroPCS in particular would get the EXACT same phones as Verizon, but under a different model name. For instance, the Verizon LG Revolution = MetroPCS LG Esteem -- and LG didn't even bother removing the Revolution boot up animation from the media folder. It had both animations in the media folder. But it allowed Verizon to claim (fake) "exclusive" for LG Revolution. All that kind of stuff flies under the radar to people who only know about the major carriers.
As a result of all this conflict, XDA did open a separate Moto Maxx forum and moved all non Droid Turbo content over there. But the ironic thing is all Development (kernels, CM and later LOS ROMs) were posted there. So, Verizon "Droid Turbo" owners had to go over THERE (Moto Maxx forum) to get stuff, once Sunshine Dev team found an exploit to unlock the Verizon Droid Turbo variant bootloader about a year after release. Whereas, the Moto Turbo and Moto Maxx variants always had bootloader unlock, TWRP and ROMs. Droid Turbo was late to the party.
So, point is, Verizon lies about phones.
VERZION DELAYED OS UPDATE
Then, in July 2016 when Marshmallow update pushed from Motorola servers for ALL Moto Quark variants, the Verizon Droid Turbo did not get their update. Motorola confirmed they sent it to Verizon and it would be released by Verizon. When? Only Verizon knew. Maybe they were testing it? NO, they weren't. They were just sitting on it. Why? Because all the back-to-school new phone sales were starting, then the holiday new phone sales after that and the Droid Turbo specs were still too good. 3GB RAM, 5.2" 1440p OLED, Qi wireless charging, 21MP camera, 3900 mAh battery. THAT 2-year old phone with new OS would still be as good as or better than any new phone Verizon was selling! So, if they didn't update the OS, then people will have to buy new phone to get Marshmallow. Only end of December 2016 did Verizon finally release the Marshmallow update for their Quark -- and it immediately bricked the phones which had encrypted storage. So, Verizon had to pull the update for a couple of weeks, then release a revised version. That shows Verizon was NOT extensively testing it for six months, they were just sitting on it to nerf the Droid Turbo from being too good a phone so people with "old" phones would buy new ones.
Point is, Verizon will purposefully degrade (or delay updates) to an older phone to increase sales of newer phones.
They were also the first to insist upon bootloaders which could not be unlocked -- even for Google Nexus/Pixel phones.
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I totally agree and hate when carriers play games with updates . Android Manufacturers allowed carriers to rename and modify their smartphones and software, which was a mistake from the beginning. I dislike Apple, but i have to hand it to them when it came to their devices. None of the carriers could modify the software or hardware in any way. This meant that their devices performed exactly the way they were intended to, and software development was only under their direct control.
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I totally agree and hate when carriers play games with updates . Android Manufacturers allowed carriers to rename and modify their smartphones and software, which was a mistake from the beginning. I dislike Apple, but i have to hand it to them when it came to their devices. None of the carriers could modify the software or hardware in any way. This meant that their devices performed exactly the way they were intended to, and software development was only under their direct control.
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This is what Treble GSI images were supposed to fix, but don't. Because GSI images don't have the drivers and proprietary features major OEM (LG and Samsung) stock firmware have.
Wow great info chazz, opened my eyes for sure. So then which phones should we get then, unlocked and or international? Then which network for area of us we are in?