I have a nexus 9 wifi 16gb and its terrible. I mean, it can't run more than 1 app at a time! All I use it for is reading documents and browsing and most of the time I don't even do them simultaneously, but have to read multiple documents by switching and even for that it doesn't work! It reloads the other app every single time I switch!
I read a few people asking to try custom ROMs for RAM issues, and right now I'm on official lineage os 14.1. Its quite better than stock, but still terrible.
It takes 1.7gb RAM on average out of available 1.8 (for above mentioned usage).
So after reading all about android Oreo go edition and their stupid idea to bring back cheap phones with 1gb ram or less (seriously? To prove that your OS can run on it?), finally I think go edition can bring dead devices like this back to life. So "is it possible to run go edition on nexus 9 and if so, when?" is what I want to know.
And by the way, don't ask me to stop using chrome and other apps. Chrome hardly even takes 50mb of ram on average I also tried uninstalling it. Not much of a difference. I've already seen many ROM recommendations but still any highly recommended suggestions are entertained.
I would actually be willing to give this a try. May breathe new life into my old Nexus 9.
Until now the source code of Android go hasn't been released yet, so we will need to wait for that. When it's released I'm sure someone will give it a try
Go really isn't the issue. If you want to be faster, either run that ported 32bit kernel or run fire and ice or elemental x and change the settings. And no encryption. And perhaps most important, run pure Nexus as it runs better than anything I've tried.
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Go really isn't the issue. If you want to be faster, either run that ported 32bit kernel or run fire and ice or elemental x and change the settings. And no encryption. And perhaps most important, run pure Nexus as it runs better than anything I've tried.
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OK I'll give it a try. By the way, do you know any other devices for which the 32 bit kernel is ported(maybe a thread link)? I need it for my redmi note 3 since I believe 32 bit software requires less resources to run overall, leaving more RAM for user apps. This is probably the reason why my oneplus one still works pretty well in RAM management section.
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Go really isn't the issue. If you want to be faster, either run that ported 32bit kernel or run fire and ice or elemental x and change the settings. And no encryption. And perhaps most important, run pure Nexus as it runs better than anything I've tried.
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Why do you say that Go won't help? The whole point of Go is to run on crappy hardware like the Nexus 9.
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Why do you say that Go won't help? The whole point of Go is to run on crappy hardware like the Nexus 9.
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Because the Nexus 9 isn't by definition typical crappy hardware. It has 2GB of RAM and it has a "fast" CPU.
The problem is, is that it has a fundamentally different architecture than normal android. You can watch it update and install apps very quickly then take forever to open up a normal app. That's due to how that ridiculous CPU works.
Heck, since all the apps can be installed without the OS you might as well try that.
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Why do you say that Go won't help? The whole point of Go is to run on crappy hardware like the Nexus 9.
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Since when does n9 have crappy hardware? Lol. We all know what the n9's performance issues stem from, and it's not "crappy" or "cheap" hardware. It's a programming language (or CPU language) issue.
Just like @sprockkets said.
Have you tried the 32bit AOSP build? It really helped with RAM management. I can switch to multiple tabs in chrome now without it having to reload every time. Too bad it hasn't been updated lately
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Since when does n9 have crappy hardware? Lol. We all know what the n9's performance issues stem from, and it's not "crappy" or "cheap" hardware. It's a programming language (or CPU language) issue.
Just like @sprockkets said.
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Haha, what are you talking about? The programming language used for Android on the Nexus 9 is the same as the programming language for every other version of Android (mostly C, C++, and Java). It's just Android.
CPU language... do you mean the CPU instruction set? The NVIDIA Tegra K1 is a ARMv8-A CPU. ARMv8-A is a 64-bit architecture. It's true that when the Nexus 9 launched 64-bit devices were uncommon, so there were some compatibility issues. But that's far in the past. Every Android device from 2015 and on has a 64-bit CPU. The Nexus 6P, Nexus 5X, Pixel, and Pixel 2 all have ARMv8-A CPUs.
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Because the Nexus 9 isn't by definition typical crappy hardware. It has 2GB of RAM and it has a "fast" CPU.
The problem is, is that it has a fundamentally different architecture than normal android. You can watch it update and install apps very quickly then take forever to open up a normal app. That's due to how that ridiculous CPU works.
Heck, since all the apps can be installed without the OS you might as well try that.
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Android Go is not fundamentally different from Android. It's just a stripped down version of Android intended to run on less powerful hardware. Things like multi-tasking and animations are disabled. Android Go is a variation of Oreo. The official name is Android O (Go edition). There will be an Go edition of Android N as well. Google created it to encourage entry level devices to run Oreo rather than some old version of Android as is common in developing countries.
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As sprockkets said, you can install the Google's (Gmail, YouTube, Maps, etc.) Android Go applications from the Play Store on non-Go devices. Additionally, you can flash this Low-RAM Property Patcher. It sets the flag that tells apps and the The Play Store that you have low RAM. I don't think many apps use this flag right now. But if Go devices become popular, developers may disable some the more memory intensive features (animations for example). Now if you are running Oreo, this will also cause the Android UI to use less RAM.
Although there is at least one Oreo ROM for the Nexus 9, I don't expect them ever to be stable. There are no Oreo drivers for the NVIDIA Tegra K1. And it's doubtful there ever will be. You could ask that developer to build a Go version of the ROM. It may make a difference.
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Haha, what are you talking about? The programming language used for Android on the Nexus 9 is the same as the programming language for every other version of Android (mostly C, C++, and Java). It's just Android.
CPU language... do you mean the CPU instruction set? The NVIDIA Tegra K1 is a ARMv8-A CPU. ARMv8-A is a 64-bit architecture. It's true that when the Nexus 9 launched 64-bit devices were uncommon, so there were some compatibility issues. But that's far in the past. Every Android device from 2015 and on has a 64-bit CPU. The Nexus 6P, Nexus 5X, Pixel, and Pixel 2 all have ARMv8-A CPUs.]
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That is what I meant, ya got me being in a rush, lol.
I meant the difference in nvidia's. As opposed to Qualcomm.
Not between armv7 and armv8
Trying not to get too long winded but...
Perhaps the critical point in understanding Denver then is that it is non-traditional for a high-performance CPU due to its lack of OoOE hardware, and for that reason it’s a CPU unlike any of its contemporaries. We’ll get back to the software aspects of Denver in a bit, but for now it’s enough to understand why NVIDIA has not pursued an OoOE design and what they have pursued instead.
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Haha, what are you talking about? The programming language used for Android on the Nexus 9 is the same as the programming language for every other version of Android (mostly C, C++, and Java). It's just Android.
CPU language... do you mean the CPU instruction set? The NVIDIA Tegra K1 is a ARMv8-A CPU. ARMv8-A is a 64-bit architecture. It's true that when the Nexus 9 launched 64-bit devices were uncommon, so there were some compatibility issues. But that's far in the past. Every Android device from 2015 and on has a 64-bit CPU. The Nexus 6P, Nexus 5X, Pixel, and Pixel 2 all have ARMv8-A CPUs.
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The K1 runs ARMv8 code but if you look at the history of that CPU, you'd realize it was originally made to run x86.
And I'm not really interested in posting the rest of the details - read it for yourself here.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/8701/the-google-nexus-9-review/4
And read pages 2 and 3 for more info, but page 4 has the biggest reason for its wonky performance.
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Since Xperia S has 2 cores CPU, I think there is sufficient for running desktop OS, like I heard Moto do. So, devs, what about run Linux, or even Windows?
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Since Xperia S has 2 cores CPU, I think there is sufficient for running desktop OS, like I heard Moto do. So, devs, what about run Linux, or even Windows?
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Windows isn't possible, at least until someone dumps WinRT. Linux is possible as a chrooted system, but there likely will be problems. ICS will bring the 3.0.8 kernel, that might help.
if it virtual machine, i think efficiency of this is rather poor. What I suppoused - get custom ROM, like Android, but change Android (linux-based) to Ubuntu (linux-based), and customize bootloader to choose where to boot. Like i do using grub4 at desktop. My thoughts - my telephone efficient enough, like pentium 4, so i, regarding to Mhz and amount of RAM, can run Win XP like normal desktop based on P4. Amerite?
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Windows isn't possible
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It's posible I've done that .
Erachter said:
It's posible I've done that .
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Natively? Well show me.
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if it virtual machine, i think efficiency of this is rather poor. What I suppoused - get custom ROM, like Android, but change Android (linux-based) to Ubuntu (linux-based), and customize bootloader to choose where to boot. Like i do using grub4 at desktop. My thoughts - my telephone efficient enough, like pentium 4, so i, regarding to Mhz and amount of RAM, can run Win XP like normal desktop based on P4. Amerite?
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It's difficult and quite useless.
Emulator.
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Emulator.
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Oh of course. What was that, 200MHz?
why it is useless? doing so, i can play some old games like diablo 2 or warcraft 2 at my phone, than it would be a low-end laptop, that cost me nothing and always with me at my pocket. my philosophy is to use one gadget for any purpose i wish. no cares of battery, it`s just might do it.
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why it is useless? doing so, i can play some old games like diablo 2 or warcraft 2 at my phone, than it would be a low-end laptop, that cost me nothing and always with me at my pocket. my philosophy is to use one gadget for any purpose i wish. no cares of battery, it`s just might do it.
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Well go ahead then. I don't think anyone is interested in that, especially considering you won't have telephony, GPU acceleration and likely sound.
Well, if you say so, I understand. And what about Ubunty. I even heard that Ubuntu dev are going to justify multicores CPU at phones with releasing Ubuntu for every 2x or 4x phones. Have you any info about it? Of course, it`s all not about any simulator, just about really booting OS.
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Well, if you say so, I understand. And what about Ubunty. I even heard that Ubuntu dev are going to justify multicores CPU at phones with releasing Ubuntu for every 2x or 4x phones. Have you any info about it? Of course, it`s all not about any simulator, just about really booting OS.
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Ubuntu for mobile is a long term project that isn't getting released any time soon. And it'll be likely using the Wayland graphics stack, so the same problems apply.
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Not to mention Tegra 3 only match Intel atom 1.6ghz mobile version .
You cant see the CPU power from the ghz and core numbers .
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if it virtual machine, i think efficiency of this is rather poor. What I suppoused - get custom ROM, like Android, but change Android (linux-based) to Ubuntu (linux-based), and customize bootloader to choose where to boot. Like i do using grub4 at desktop. My thoughts - my telephone efficient enough, like pentium 4, so i, regarding to Mhz and amount of RAM, can run Win XP like normal desktop based on P4. Amerite?
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should be possible. once if got a Native Ubuntu with Dualboot on a HTC Desire HD - the Ubuntu there uses the same Kernel like the Android (was a 2.6.x kernel) - but it needs a lot of Work from a developer that knowns the Device and Linux well to bring it to work.
But also native, a linux will works poor on a Smartphonce, because a Desktop OS is not optimised for Use with fingers - everithing is to small, so you need a pen ore use just the shell.
a VR can be funny, becaus you can install every OS and simulate a x86 architecture.
the Easyest OS is Dos (just install the App Dosbox) - makes fun to play old Lucas Art Games with SCUM Engine again)
I've made a thread similar to this before but people assured me it was something i was doing wrong but despite trying everything thats been suggested to me nothing seems to work. ive had this ****ty tablet that i paid £400 for about 3 months now and im sick of it. My galaxy siii is as smooth as i can ask for, its perfect. This tablet however is a different story. the scrolling is truely horrid, i mean its so janky and stuttery and even when it dosent stutter the screen has a sort of deforming effect. I feel like either google really need to spend some time optimising this tablet or the hardware just cannot support this screen resolution. I love android and even back on my older phones with ics and froyo i found their scrolling often smoother than this ****TY TABLET. I've tried about 15 roms, 4 kernels and even tried over-clocking to about 2.0ghz, nothing. made a difference. does anyone know if gooogle is optimising this tablet? because if i see no improvements within the next month im selling this piece of junk. I dont understand how a tablet that can maintain 60 fps on a 3D game can't even manage to scroll a webpage or app drawer page without dropping frames and having janky and stuttery scrolling. I am also very sure this isnt a problem with android. as i said my phone i9300 galaxy siii handles scrolling super smooth on stock and cm10.1 so it can't be an android problem.
My main question is; Does anyone else find this tablets scrolling performance to be stuttery and janky? or do i have a dud?
Another thing i would like to say is that, the animations are perfectly smooth and in terms of app open speed and gaming performance this tablet is great. however i tend to use tablets for mostly web browsing and other 2D applications which is something that this tablet cant handle for some reason. (oh btw i have tried about 5 different browsers and i know chrome is utter **** this isnt chrome that im tlaking about)
My N10 is stock and not rooted, the only application that behaves anything like that is Firefox which can be really bad. No other issues like that at all. If your looking to resolve the problem I'd go back to basics. It's much more likely to be a software issue than anything else.
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Perhaps checking the Force GPU rendering in the developers options will help remedy the issue you are having with scrolling.
I do not have this issue when scrolling through a website =\ I do have Force GPU rendering enabled as well as Disable HW overlays checked.
before I returned my two through the play store I noticed a horrible amount of scroll "waving" while in portrait. If you have it in portrait and scroll up and down really fast you can see it big time. Even on daily normal scrolling I could see it. It really bothered me. Its too many pixles. I'd rather have uniform scrolling then the last line of pixels be a half second late compared to the first line. It's hard to explain but it is very annoying.
1920 X 1200 is probably the sweet spot right now. Anything over that is overkill and the GPU/CPU cant keep up.
Sorry to disappoint you but if you want a silky smooth performance go check out the iPad.
Android is just not made that way, it cannot be. iOS is always running on a device it is perfectly optimized for whereas Android has to run on no less then 4 different CPU manufacturers, not to even mention the differences within that particular chip set, then GPU, ram and screen. There are thousands of configurations Android has to support. That said, having so much support means you support the lowest and the highest of the bunch, offering a sub par experience on both.
You mention your GS3 often, just recall that the N10 is pushing over twice the resolution on a next-gen chip (read: android isn't optimized for it yet). For every 10 images on a web page loading on your GS3 there are 20 in higher resolution. You can see the issue.
Its no different then the age old battle of Winblows vs OSX. OSX is built for one architecture, one series of chips. Windows has to be run on thousands of configurations. A Windows PC will never be as smooth as a OSX device, even though the OSX device may have lower specs. On a OS level thats what you will always battle against. Windows and Android share the same issue. Also that's why Windows Mobile is so buttery, they only support a small chip set base.
Games are a little different, they can neglect the lower rung of devices and shoot for the Tegra or high end Snapdragons and Exynos. Hence why the N10 is so spectacular on this level.
So to sum it all up, if you want smoothness throughout the OS you need full optimization. Android in its base state cannot offer that and unless Android changes it will never. Samsung optimizes its Touchwiz systems to a large extent and that gives better performance. But in the flip side, the time it takes to optimize it is taken by delaying releases and not being current on the builds of Android.
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Sorry to disappoint you but if you want a silky smooth performance go check out the iPad.
Android is just not made that way, it cannot be. iOS is always running on a device it is perfectly optimized for whereas Android has to run on no less then 4 different CPU manufacturers, not to even mention the differences within that particular chip set, then GPU, ram and screen. There are thousands of configurations Android has to support. That said, having so much support means you support the lowest and the highest of the bunch, offering a sub par experience on both.
You mention your GS3 often, just recall that the N10 is pushing over twice the resolution on a next-gen chip (read: android isn't optimized for it yet). For every 10 images on a web page loading on your GS3 there are 20 in higher resolution. You can see the issue.
Its no different then the age old battle of Winblows vs OSX. OSX is built for one architecture, one series of chips. Windows has to be run on thousands of configurations. A Windows PC will never be as smooth as a OSX device, even though the OSX device may have lower specs. On a OS level thats what you will always battle against. Windows and Android share the same issue. Also that's why Windows Mobile is so buttery, they only support a small chip set base.
Games are a little different, they can neglect the lower rung of devices and shoot for the Tegra or high end Snapdragons and Exynos. Hence why the N10 is so spectacular on this level.
So to sum it all up, if you want smoothness throughout the OS you need full optimization. Android in its base state cannot offer that and unless Android changes it will never. Samsung optimizes its Touchwiz systems to a large extent and that gives better performance. But in the flip side, the time it takes to optimize it is taken by delaying releases and not being current on the builds of Android.
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Except I have a Galaxy Note 2 which is just as smooth as my iPad 3 was. This is nowhere close to as smooth as either device.
try the eos rom, i think it smooth, stable.... it also keeps running smooth after days of use.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2178128
also in developer options there are 3 things i change on every rom down to. 5:
window animation scale
transition animation scale
animation duration scale
only web pg that doesnt seem to be smooth is 9 gag.
i keep my browser in desktop mode always.
bummer u have a bad taste from it, i find it to be a great hardware, but i like to tweak on it alot.
You are not the only one, check this video, N10 is not as smooth as the ipad or surface, go to min 5.00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI53tTXcPY8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
stock and boat browser made things much better for me, never use chrome.
NickTheMajin said:
Except I have a Galaxy Note 2 which is just as smooth as my iPad 3 was. This is nowhere close to as smooth as either device.
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Again, this is an A15 w/2x the pixels to push
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That would be an excuse if this tablet wasn't designed by Google. Google was in charge of optimizing. They had to do it.
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I'm using the Ocean browser and scrolling is very smooth. So, maybe its inefficient apps?
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That would be an excuse if this tablet wasn't designed by Google. Google was in charge of optimizing. They had to do it.
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Thaz the thing about software it can always be edited with new optimization and thus improve it. Its still a work in progress. Android always has been
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Settings -> developer options -> ( check ) force GPU rendering
Little more batt life drain I think ...
If you want good browsers :
(Smoothest)
Naked browser
AOKP browser
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Like every android device out there you just need to tweak the min free values to make it smoother. A good ROM/kernel combo helps too.
Add these lines to an init.d file:
chmod 775 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree
chmod 775 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/adj
echo "0,1,3,7,11,15" > /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/adj;
echo "16384,20480,25600,51200,76800,102400" > /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree;
chmod 644 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/adj
chmod 644 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree
Where do I find the init.d file?
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Where do I find the init.d file?
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System/etc/init.d
Web browsing mostly also, here's...
the steps which have my n10 scrolling smoothly...
1. Start with tablet stock, locked, and setup complete.
2. Unlock and root tablet by preferred method and create nandroid backup. (May require understanding/knowledge of how to get out of bootloop)
3. Go to Play Store and update SuperSu (if required) and install Quick Boot.
4. Install preferred custom Recovery (TWRP is mine)
5. Download preferred custom ROM, gapps ( I prefer a minimum package like Rascarlo's), and kernel. (See mine in signature).
6. Use Quick Boot to boot into recovery, wipe cache, factory reset, then system. I just do...
7. Install ROM, wipe cache and dalvik, install kernel, then gapps. Again, I just do...
8. Reboot system.
9. Set up tablet then go to Play Store and update SuperSu (if needed).
10. Download and install BusyBox.
11. Update, install, and setup required/preferred apps from Play Store (AdAway and Naked Browser required for my tablet!)
12. Go into Settings and clean/disable everything under each setting I don't require or need for my tablet to web browse.
13. Boot into Recovery and "fix permissions".
14. Reboot system, set governor parameters, and enjoy!
This has worked for me without issue, can't/won't guaranty my results for others so use at own risk! :laugh:
My scrolling is good. I'm just on rooted stock 4.2.2. But then again, I may just not be as picky as other people.
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No problem here, my Nexus10 is running fast and smooth. CM10.1 no mods, with Dolphin as browser.
Paranoid Android + KToonsez kernel = silky smooth scrolling.
One flick will scroll top to bottom ANY page I have came across and it is VERY smooth.
Try one of the custom roms / kernels for this device and you will change your mind.
i'm running on
Nvidia GTX 960 4GB Vram
Intel core i5 6600k
16GB Ram
i got about 20 FPS when run benchmark (Vellamo)
and pic is like everything is shadow except sky
any advice here ?
Currently RemixOS is stuck with the open source NVIDIA drivers (nouveau) so I don't think there's anything you can do to get it to run well on your GPU. The drivers for Intel and ATI/AMD graphics work better, so if you really want to get RemixOS working well you can try using the integrated Intel GPU if your motherboard has the port.
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Currently RemixOS is stuck with the open source NVIDIA drivers (nouveau) so I don't think there's anything you can do to get it to run well on your GPU. The drivers for Intel and ATI/AMD graphics work better, so if you really want to get RemixOS working well you can try using the integrated Intel GPU if your motherboard has the port.
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wow Thanks Buddy !!
i think i will wait for it
Nouveau yes, but still
Still I don't get it. The nouveau site says explicitly that they support all nvidia cards. Look at the last news entry from March 2016. They say they have full 2D/3D acceleration. So why don't we have an accelerated desktop in remix os?
It seems u will wait for very long, cause nothing is open for nvidia.
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Still I don't get it. The nouveau site says explicitly that they support all nvidia cards. Look at the last news entry from March 2016. They say they have full 2D/3D acceleration. So why don't we have an accelerated desktop in remix os?
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By "support" they mean that the basics are working, however just about everything the developers do is based on reverse-engineering, unlike the drivers for Intel graphics, which Intel develops themselves with help from the community, so performance is far from optimal, and sometimes things fail.
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By "support" they mean that the basics are working, however just about everything the developers do is based on reverse-engineering, unlike the drivers for Intel graphics, which Intel develops themselves with help from the community, so performance is far from optimal, and sometimes things fail.
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But I'm not talking about optimal performance here. I am talking about the decent 30 fps on an operating system that usually runs very fast on systems *much* slower than mine. Again, the nouveau site says they support 2D/3D hardware acceleration for all nvidia cards (since March 2016) - so where's the problem? 2D/3D hardware acceleration doesn't sound like basic support to me.
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And again - everybody keeps talking about how open intel is. You can't seriously expect me to consider throwing away my graphics card. My assumption is Jide simply did not update their nouveau drivers to the latest (according to the nouveau web site). I wonder how could I do that manually...
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But I'm not talking about optimal performance here. I am talking about the decent 30 fps on an operating system that usually runs very fast on systems *much* slower than mine. Again, the nouveau site says they support 2D/3D hardware acceleration for all nvidia cards (since March 2016) - so where's the problem? 2D/3D hardware acceleration doesn't sound like basic support to me.
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And again - everybody keeps talking about how open intel is. You can't seriously expect me to consider throwing away my graphics card. My assumption is Jide simply did not update their nouveau drivers to the latest (according to the nouveau web site). I wonder how could I do that manually...
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I think that might be because the card is running on its lowest performance state, nouveau has the ability to change it but it's not enabled by default. See here: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_try_linux316&num=1
Note that you'll need to add nouveau.pstate=1 to the boot parameters, and you might need to use the root terminal (Ctrl-Alt-F1 to access, Ctrl-Alt-F7 to go back to desktop). Don't mind the fact that it's for Linux 3.16, the method only changed for Linux 4.5 and newer (RemixOS is still at 4.4.6 last I checked). Anyway, I haven't tried any of this (can't actually, my laptop uses Optimus hybrid graphics switching, which has zero support in RemixOS right now), so good luck.
Ok so I successfully added the nouveau.pstate=1 parameter and checked it via cat /proc/cmdline.
But I simply can't find the pstate file in /sys/class/drm/card0/device
I searched on several forums/articles and they all point to that file...
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Ok so I successfully added the nouveau.pstate=1 parameter and checked it via cat /proc/cmdline.
But I simply can't find the pstate file in /sys/class/drm/card0/device
I searched on several forums/articles and they all point to that file...
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Check all the drm/card* files; its probably card0-eDP or something
No go
I did find the pstate file in /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/pstate though - that's the location for the 4.5 kernel which remix os does not have. But when I tried to cat the file it would give me a read error.
I am sorry to keep insisting on this one and I think it's not the proper way to use Remix OS, but I feel a lot of people have nvidia cards and we are all just sitting here and waiting for something on behalf of Jide - and I realize there's not much they can do.
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No go
I did find the pstate file in /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/pstate though - that's the location for the 4.5 kernel which remix os does not have. But when I tried to cat the file it would give me a read error.
I am sorry to keep insisting on this one and I think it's not the proper way to use Remix OS, but I feel a lot of people have nvidia cards and we are all just sitting here and waiting for something on behalf of Jide - and I realize there's not much they can do.
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maybe i think i will sell my nvidia gpu
jk lol
Ok so I am not willing to lose hope yet. It's clear to me nouveau is not the way to go. The power states must be changed manually and they won't switch dynamically according to the GPU usage. Basically nouveau is useless at this point. They talk on their forums about the progress they are making - and it's a good effort, but as long as I have to manage the card's power states manually - it's worthless.
So then my other option would be installing the proprietary nvidia drivers. I guess nobody ever did that in remix os...
In linux it's quite easy: you just run the binary file from nvidia and you are more or less done. I could download it and try to install it in remix os but I am pretty sure there are some configuration steps that I would have to do. Anybody have any thoughts?
or29544 said:
Ok so I am not willing to lose hope yet. It's clear to me nouveau is not the way to go. The power states must be changed manually and they won't switch dynamically according to the GPU usage. Basically nouveau is useless at this point. They talk on their forums about the progress they are making - and it's a good effort, but as long as I have to manage the card's power states manually - it's worthless.
So then my other option would be installing the proprietary nvidia drivers. I guess nobody ever did that in remix os...
In linux it's quite easy: you just run the binary file from nvidia and you are more or less done. I could download it and try to install it in remix os but I am pretty sure there are some configuration steps that I would have to do. Anybody have any thoughts?
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idk
i didn't have knowledge about this thing before
but yeah
i'll wait for good news. and hope you can solve it buddy
nvidia geforce
I have nvidia gefoce 8400gs and enything is fine expect the screen resolution , I dont know how I can change it
or29544 said:
Ok so I am not willing to lose hope yet. It's clear to me nouveau is not the way to go. The power states must be changed manually and they won't switch dynamically according to the GPU usage. Basically nouveau is useless at this point. They talk on their forums about the progress they are making - and it's a good effort, but as long as I have to manage the card's power states manually - it's worthless.
So then my other option would be installing the proprietary nvidia drivers. I guess nobody ever did that in remix os...
In linux it's quite easy: you just run the binary file from nvidia and you are more or less done. I could download it and try to install it in remix os but I am pretty sure there are some configuration steps that I would have to do. Anybody have any thoughts?
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Hello, so how is this work? On what percentage of progress? Have you got any progress?
Woodraw said:
Hello, so how is this work? On what percentage of progress? Have you got any progress?
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Yes, I have great progress. I gave up on RemixOS and looked for official alternatives like an officially supported Chromebook by Google and their partners. I bought an Acer Chromebook 14 which will receive the Google Play Store in about a month or so - and if everything goes well, I will switch my main PC with an officially Google supported Chromebox. I had enough tinkering folks. My life is better spent on actually getting things done than trying to force NVidia to write a driver for Remix OS.
Just recently obtained a redmi note 3 and I am stocked with how good it is and how performance wise it feels like a top end phone.
However I have come to the realization of....
What the hell do you need a hexacore 3gb ram for just seems a bit overboard, can't imagine why or how to use it to all its advantage...
So.. What do you use yours for??
Almost thinking virtualisation of os's should be pretty viable!
well the way miui clears apps when you power off the phone the 3gb will probably never get utilized by the very aggressive app closing miui does, but I guess in some cases like custom firmwares (cm13) it would be possible to run a ton of apps without the system closing them down,
The phone only two cores that run at 1.8 ghz, and the other 4 run at 1.4 ghz -I believe- most apps only use two cores though, I guess some expertly coded game emulators or games can take advantage of the extra cores, possibly web browsers too..., the system also has a 500 meg swap file zram (I think they should of left the swap file out though since if the system uses that it will be slower access then the actual ram)
I know the performance of the 2gb and 3gb variants are about the same, but I just had to get the 3gb version since it has a 64bit os and it might take a bit more ram then a 32bit os would, and the 32 gb emmc is nice too, very fast 100+ mb/s wite/read - so even using a big sdcard to compensate wouldn't have near the speed of the built in 32gb storage memory
my main concern with this phone is the lack of exfat support, seriously sdxc has been out for quite some time now and exfat for android is open source (from samsung), or they could of used exfat fuse support as an alternative... sdcards over 32gb are going to need to be formatted to fat32...which is kinda ridiculous
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=sub&sub=F&searchValue=exfat
Intensive games will exploit the extra cores. It's also a very, very efficient battery wise.
Not really into phone games but most defiantly will try some of the classics, however more interested in apps etc, I remember on my Asus 7 I could emulate kali to do some penetration testing.. Anything like this viable on Miui
Really not bothered with custom roms and root etc got this phone to last and stock roms seems perfect so far.
Same here since it ships with android 5.1.1 it's pretty modern , Android 5+ have already switched to the new ART runtime (vs the older dalvik found on android 4), of course getting on android 6 is nice but it's not a huge step from 5, so for now I will hold off on a custom firmware and I kinda like miui 7-except the launcher which I replaced with TSF Launcher.
Since we do have an official CM13 build tree maybe if it progresses to CM14 (android 7/N) I might be tempted to switch over since N is supposed to have 20% better optimizations well see it's much too new atm.
Some android games are nice but I always had a knack for emulators like epsxe, ppsspp ,drastic, reicast ..etc so enjoyable to see android actually emulating another machine and running at native speeds, having good GPS is another thing I like about this phone, some phones can never even get a lock but this phone is very quick at getting a 3d gps lock, so nice for navigating, I haven't really tested the camera out much but the photo quality seems semi-ok (when zooming in you can see like a blur rather then pixels, where on my Samsung tablet camera it's more pixelized at high zoom, ) but pictures do look ok at normal resolution I will look into the camera more, I do know it can do 4k video and slo-mo, the camera has a uniqe flash too it has a orange flash and a white flash (to simulate sunlight?) - never seen that before.
True true, will be getting all them emulators out for sure and does it really do 4k and slow_mo? On stock camera app? Can't imagine using my tablet again after having this phone for a day ha.
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True true, will be getting all them emulators out for sure and does it really do 4k and slow_mo? On stock camera app? Can't imagine using my tablet again after having this phone for a day ha.
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Same my poor Samsung galaxy tab pro 8.4, I have been really neglecting it since I got this phone,
as for 4k video I am pretty sure it is locked out in the stock camera app, you will need to use opencamera or similar, slo-mo if I recall needs to be in 720p mode for the option to show
I have noticed over the last couple years that the resource usage of Chrome OS has continued to balloon beyond any common sense. I can't be the only one can I?
I have two fairly high performance Chromebooks. One, a Google Slate with the m3 and 8G of RAM and a Dell 7410 i5 with 16G RAM. When I first got the Slate, I could run Linux no problem with plenty of RAM to spare. It would startup with less than 3G in use. Now, it has become almost pointless. The Slate boots up to the Chrome OS desktop with less than 3G of free RAM so running Linux or anything that requires significant RAM just causes the OS to start allocating compressed ZRAM.
The Dell 7410 still performs reasonably well but only because it has 16G of physical RAM. Still, it now boots up with almost 8G of RAM in use before I launch a single thing!
Google seems to want power users to take ChromeOS seriously so they've added all kinds of great features like ARCVM and the ability to run multiple Linux VM's. Yet, they still seem to be developing the OS as though it's 10 years ago. Back then they could allocate all the system RAM as they chose because the Chrome browser was the only app the system could run.
Neither MacOS, Windows or various Linux distros go so far as to consume almost 50% of the memory on boot while operating on hardware with 16G or more RAM. What is Google thinking!? A good OS should prioritize resources for user applications and minimize resource consumption by the core OS.
I'm thinking about reflashing my Slate to make it useful again as there is no sign that Google is going to make ChromeOS lean again, anytime soon.
Arpman96 said:
I have noticed over the last couple years that the resource usage of Chrome OS has continued to balloon beyond any common sense. I can't be the only one can I?
I have two fairly high performance Chromebooks. One, a Google Slate with the m3 and 8G of RAM and a Dell 7410 i5 with 16G RAM. When I first got the Slate, I could run Linux no problem with plenty of RAM to spare. It would startup with less than 3G in use. Now, it has become almost pointless. The Slate boots up to the Chrome OS desktop with less than 3G of free RAM so running Linux or anything that requires significant RAM just causes the OS to start allocating compressed ZRAM.
The Dell 7410 still performs reasonably well but only because it has 16G of physical RAM. Still, it now boots up with almost 8G of RAM in use before I launch a single thing!
Google seems to want power users to take ChromeOS seriously so they've added all kinds of great features like ARCVM and the ability to run multiple Linux VM's. Yet, they still seem to be developing the OS as though it's 10 years ago. Back then they could allocate all the system RAM as they chose because the Chrome browser was the only app the system could run.
Neither MacOS, Windows or various Linux distros go so far as to consume almost 50% of the memory on boot while operating on hardware with 16G or more RAM. What is Google thinking!? A good OS should prioritize resources for user applications and minimize resource consumption by the core OS.
I'm thinking about reflashing my Slate to make it useful again as there is no sign that Google is going to make ChromeOS lean again, anytime soon.
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I say "Ditch Google!" That's ridiculous. I've heard that maybe you can install Linux instead.
You are correct. It's always an option to go into "Developer Mode" on Chromebooks and flash with a new OS image. The new image can be a Linux distro provided it has the right drivers. You still have to go into Developer Mode on every reboot to get past the BIOS but it works. Still, there's just no good reason for this if Google approached OS resource management like any other good OS.
At this point the 8G Slate boots with 2.5G free! That is appalling. Do these Google kiddies have a clue? One has to wonder if there is anybody at Google overseeing the architecture or if there are just 100's of little silos uninterested in how their combined drains on system resources may effect the actual usefulness of the OS.
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You are correct. It's always an option to go into "Developer Mode" on Chromebooks and flash with a new OS image. The new image can be a Linux distro provided it has the right drivers. You still have to go into Developer Mode on every reboot to get past the BIOS but it works. Still, there's just no good reason for this if Google approached OS resource management like any other good OS.
At this point the 8G Slate boots with 2.5G free! That is appalling. Do these Google kiddies have a clue? One has to wonder if there is anybody at Google overseeing the architecture or if there are just 100's of little silos uninterested in how their combined drains on system resources may effect the actual usefulness of the OS.
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Still, there's just no good reason for this if Google approached OS resource management like any other good OS.
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Well, I'm honestly not sure why you would expect Google, a huge corporation that makes money by harvesting people's data and advertising, to actually care about making a lean and usable OS. Instead it is chock-full of spy-ware.
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At this point the 8G Slate boots with 2.5G free!
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Personally I will never buy a Google or Apple product. This just assures me that I'm not missing out on anything!