As regular XDA folks, many knew the tight bond between Honor and XDA. While that's great for the development of a device, there are somethings that got compromised in view10 hence I couldn't go for it. Most probably you'd also need to skip for some of the reasons!
USB v2!!! (Come on Honor, This is 2018)
Mono cam as 2nd lens (Though honor claims it enhancing Pic, we see Mate 10 doesn't have Mono sensor nor OP3 with single cam+HDR+ captures stunning pics)
LCD (This is not a bumper for all, but I felt just like many other LCDs minimum brightness device can go to is bit bright and hurt my eyes during Night dark scenes. AMOLED is welcome)
Flagship coming with Bluetooth v4.2 in 2018?
No clarification of LTE+ (In India hardly manufactures reach out to consumers. I love the way Honor does it via XDA. But I posted this question https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=75249748&postcount=97 and https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=75234210&postcount=1081 and am still confused if it supports CA or not! For Indian band answer is nowhere available http://www.huawei.com/en/news/2017/9/Huawei-Kirin970-Rohde-Schwarz Still no answers after a week! )
Camera hump ( Not a big deal for me anyway)
Long term software support (Honor seems to give only 1 year of software OS/sec. patch support)
[*]No ROMs available so far
[*]Unavailability of AOSP ROM and Honor trying to force EMUI (At XDA everyone loves features on top of AOSP. But Honor seems to welcome dev without sharing vanilla AOSP sources on top of which EMUI is built. I'd love to see fully functional AOSP in EMUI. While Thanks to Treble,Thats been worked out, if Honor hellps devs out that would mean much dev-friendly device and also comeup ROMs in https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-view-10/development ) Calling big boys to party with free phones hopefully ensures this https://www.xda-developers.com/honor-announces-developers-honor-view-10-recipients/
Few other points I missed.,
@ermacwins No EIS or OIS
No one universal model (v10 has Region specific models, Check https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=75394470&postcount=19)
I hope to get some answers @[email protected]_USA @DrGreenway
Thus with this list is the max no cons one can come up with. If none of this feels like Con then not even Oneplus has a better device at this price point for this. Hope Honor takes these Inputs to make me their future iterations..!
"No ROMs available so far"
Phh-Treble boots. So does Uber too, but we're rebasing on CAF. Until I see sources from Honor, I and other developers can't do much, but at least they are trying
"USB V2"
It is type C, and it's pretty fast. I don't see the problem here.
Regarding the mono camera lense... Is that even a con? It's pretty damn good. Took some 20mp shots the other day when I went to the hospital and they are beautiful.
And not providing an AOSP based ROM is distant. Would I prefer it? Yes. But the only three OEMs I've seen doing this are Sony, OnePlus, and Google (obviously). Their AI wouldn't be as prominent either. I sort of get what you're saying though. Nothing a custom ROM can't fix
BUT. None of those issues are actual problems for me. I have a really hard time critiquing the device. Only thing I wish it had is waterproofing and US bands.... Best device I've ever had to date.
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"No ROMs available so far"
Phh-Treble boots. So does Uber too, but we're rebasing on CAF. Until I see sources from Honor, I and other developers can't do much, but at least they are trying
---"USB V2" It is type C, and it's pretty fast. I don't see the problem here.
---Regarding the mono camera lense... Is that even a con? It's pretty damn good. Took some 20mp shots the other day when I went to the hospital and they are beautiful.
---And not providing an AOSP based ROM is distant. Would I prefer it? Yes. But the only three OEMs I've seen doing this are Sony, OnePlus, and Google (obviously). Their AI wouldn't be as prominent either. I sort of get what you're saying though. Nothing a custom ROM can't fix
BUT. None of those issues are actual problems for me. I have a really hard time critiquing the device. Only thing I wish it had is waterproofing and US bands.... Best device I've ever had to date.
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Yeah thats exactly my point. I'm great that devs are working for Treble but unless OEMs like Huawei help with some AOSP blobs/sources its difficult. Also, phone is supposed to get its software support die pretty soon (like in a year, which is unreasonable for a flagship grade phone)
Also, I use Samsung T3 pocket SSD, which connect via USB-C. Most of laptops also connect like that. Why should I compromise with terrible speeds of 34MBps max when my Phone has UFS storage of 200MBps and SSD more than that, due to decade old USB version? USB-C is just a socket, Bus version matters.
Camera, As you agreed pics are good using a single lens. 2nd cam in the phone seems a total waste of space, wherein If Wide-angle lens has gone in it would have been much useful!
About AOSP while others are doing it, for software development that's critical. Else no one dev will hope into dev. You have N no. of phones, Samsung/LG/etc devices where hardly any ROM will be developed expect stock. I'm hoping this phone with such great hardware shouldn't go through that same thing. For AI and stuffs all those can be part of /vender so that /system can seemlessly evolve...
Waterproof and US Bands are good points, what I am emphasizing is Honor seems like they're imitating OnePlus to give better device and I am justifying that they still don't listen to hardcore android freaks despite they pertain to that...
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Yeah thats exactly my point. I'm great that devs are working for Treble but unless OEMs like Huawei help with some AOSP blobs/sources its difficult. Also, phone is supposed to get its software support die pretty soon (like in a year, which is unreasonable for a flagship grade phone)
Also, I use Samsung T3 pocket SSD, which connect via USB-C. Most of laptops also connect like that. Why should I compromise with terrible speeds of 34MBps max when my Phone has UFS storage of 200MBps and SSD more than that, due to decade old USB version? USB-C is just a socket, Bus version matters.
Camera, As you agreed pics are good using a single lens. 2nd cam in the phone seems a total waste of space, wherein If Wide-angle lens has gone in it would have been much useful!
About AOSP while others are doing it, for software development that's critical. Else no one dev will hope into dev. You have N no. of phones, Samsung/LG/etc devices where hardly any ROM will be developed expect stock. I'm hoping this phone with such great hardware shouldn't go through that same thing. For AI and stuffs all those can be part of /vender so that /system can seemlessly evolve...
Waterproof and US Bands are good points, what I am emphasizing is Honor seems like they're imitating OnePlus to give better device and I am justifying that they still don't listen to hardcore android freaks despite they pertain to that...
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Having a ROM closer to AOSP wouldn't help development at all sadly. You could put Hello Kitty ROM on the thing and there's no determent or aid for developers.
I'm aware that type C is a socket. I'm getting speeds higher than v2 though. I don't use it enough outside of fastboot to really care.
We will be getting sources for the thing pretty soon actually. As far as what we get, it's up to us developers to push for it. They've contacted a few of us directly to reinforce what we need.
Lack of carrier aggregation is the only reason stopping me to buy Honor View 10. I tried to find the info everywhere even Honor India support is clueless if CA is available in this device
No EIS or OIS is definitely a con
no image stabilization and at least for now a lack of root.
CertifiedBlyndGuy said:
"No ROMs available so far"
Phh-Treble boots. So does Uber too, but we're rebasing on CAF. Until I see sources from Honor, I and other developers can't do much, but at least they are trying
"USB V2"
It is type C, and it's pretty fast. I don't see the problem here.
Regarding the mono camera lense... Is that even a con? It's pretty damn good. Took some 20mp shots the other day when I went to the hospital and they are beautiful.
And not providing an AOSP based ROM is distant. Would I prefer it? Yes. But the only three OEMs I've seen doing this are Sony, OnePlus, and Google (obviously). Their AI wouldn't be as prominent either. I sort of get what you're saying though. Nothing a custom ROM can't fix
BUT. None of those issues are actual problems for me. I have a really hard time critiquing the device. Only thing I wish it had is waterproofing and US bands.... Best device I've ever had to date.
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It does have US bands. It supports I believe 4 LTE bands on ATT which is who I have its just that you'll have to call their device management department to get the correct APN settings to get any data. I also have had to resort to using allo to send and receive MMS.
It supports only one band I think of t-mobile but you still can get 2 or 3g speeds.
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no image stabilization and at least for now a lack of root.
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It has root I just unlocked my bootloader and rooted earlier today using the FH mate tool easily.
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Lack of carrier aggregation is the only reason stopping me to buy Honor View 10. I tried to find the info everywhere even Honor India support is clueless if CA is available in this device
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Carrier aggregation is supported I see it as an option on mine and its on. This is in the US however.
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It does have US bands. It supports I believe 4 LTE bands on ATT which is who I have its just that you'll have to call their device management department to get the correct APN settings to get any data. I also have had to resort to using allo to send and receive MMS.
It supports only one band I think of t-mobile but you still can get 2 or 3g speeds.
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It has root I just unlocked my bootloader and rooted earlier today using the FH mate tool easily.
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Carrier aggregation is supported I see it as an option on mine and its on. This is in the US however.
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Yeah. I know. But right now I pay $20 a month to TM for unlimited data with our plan. To pay AT&T $80 a month doesn't make sense to me. It would literally be cheaper to go with a Pixel 2 XL with everything maxed out at that point through the Google store if it's looked at that way. Nonetheless though, I love the phone.
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Yeah. I know. But right now I pay $20 a month to TM for unlimited data with our plan. To pay AT&T $80 a month doesn't make sense to me. It would literally be cheaper to go with a Pixel 2 XL with everything maxed out at that point through the Google store if it's looked at that way. Nonetheless though, I love the phone.
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Damn how do you only pay that much?! I definitely love this phone. I know that later they're supposed to release it in the US and I've seen one seller on ebay that is based in the US so maybe thats the version you could always see.
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Damn how do you only pay that much?! I definitely love this phone. I know that later they're supposed to release it in the US and I've seen one seller on ebay that is based in the US so maybe thats the version you could always see.
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5 of us share a plan. My brother, my sister in law, her mother, her cousin, and me. 10gb with turnover into the following month... So kind of unlimited. I don't ever usually pass 4gb lol. Data saver and everything are always enabled and I don't stream crap except for music through Spotify on the bus and when I walk.
I'm going to see if someone couldn't upload the US firmware so I can see whether or not it is a hard block. If it is, I may just forget it and get a Pixel 2 XL and put monthly payments down for that. It would be disappointing but there isn't much I can do
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5 of us share a plan. My brother, my sister in law, her mother, her cousin, and me. 10gb with turnover into the following month... So kind of unlimited. I don't ever usually pass 4gb lol. Data saver and everything are always enabled and I don't stream crap except for music through Spotify on the bus and when I walk.
I'm going to see if someone couldn't upload the US firmware so I can see whether or not it is a hard block. If it is, I may just forget it and get a Pixel 2 XL and put monthly payments down for that. It would be disappointing but there isn't much I can do
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If you do find US firmware definitely post it up I'd definitely use it
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It does have US bands. It supports I believe 4 LTE bands on ATT which is who I have its just that you'll have to call their device management department to get the correct APN settings to get any data. I also have had to resort to using allo to send and receive MMS.
It supports only one band I think of t-mobile but you still can get 2 or 3g speeds.
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It has root I just unlocked my bootloader and rooted earlier today using the FH mate tool easily.
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Carrier aggregation is supported I see it as an option on mine and its on. This is in the US however.
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At this point, the V10 for the US/North America is vaporware. It was supposed to have launched on 8 January along side the International and Indian versions. That was the statement made at the 5 December London event. Then the V10 page disappeared from Honor's US website and suddenly the US/North American version launch date and price weren't going to be made available. Very recently, the V10 page reloaded on Honor's US site, but it doesn't contain any specs about the 4G FDD bands that will be supported. It should be more than AT&T's bands since it should be able to support Canada (Mexico pretty much uses AT&T bands)--T Mobile's established FDD bands should be supported, but Samsung will probably remain the only brand including radios for T Mobile's new spectrum in phones this year. Honor needs to post all the 4G FDD bands in the specs, it's not acceptable to only say FDD--that gives absolutely no information on carrier support.
I checked I had T-Mobile and at least the international one only supports 2 or 3g with them. It supports all of their noon or most of their non LTE bands but only one of the LTE which means no LTE. I finally got everything working on att including MMS. just took a few days att recognized the device as essentially a flip phone and only capable of 2g. After talking to the a few times they simply changed some settings on their end and I'm more than happy with it. I wouldn't even wait for the US version assuming it ever comes.
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If you do find US firmware definitely post it up I'd definitely use it
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The US/North American V10 hasn't been released, no release date or pricing information has been announced. Everything was pushed back from a stated 8 January launch without explanation. It looks like the earliest that they may begin shipping the US/North American version is Q2--we're almost to February. If it doesn't ship by Q2, then I wouldn't expect to see a US/ North American version at all.
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I checked I had T-Mobile and at least the international one only supports 2 or 3g with them. It supports all of their noon or most of their non LTE bands but only one of the LTE which means no LTE. I finally got everything working on att including MMS. just took a few days att recognized the device as essentially a flip phone and only capable of 2g. After talking to the a few times they simply changed some settings on their end and I'm more than happy with it. I wouldn't even wait for the US version assuming it ever comes.
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The vast majority of AT&T's LTE markets still primarily use FDD Band 17, which isn't supported by the International version. You're fortunate that you're in a metropolitan area that supports a lesser used band that's included in the International version. My region and my roaming areas are all FDD Band 17 only. You may have issues when you have to roam in other areas of the US.
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I checked I had T-Mobile and at least the international one only supports 2 or 3g with them. It supports all of their noon or most of their non LTE bands but only one of the LTE which means no LTE. I finally got everything working on att including MMS. just took a few days att recognized the device as essentially a flip phone and only capable of 2g. After talking to the a few times they simply changed some settings on their end and I'm more than happy with it. I wouldn't even wait for the US version assuming it ever comes.
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The vast majority of AT&T's LTE markets still primarily use FDD Band 17, which isn't supported by the International version. You're fortunate that you're in a metropolitan area that supports a lesser used band that's included in the International version. My region and my roaming areas are all FDD Band 17 only. You may have issues when you have to roam in other areas of the US.
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I checked I had T-Mobile and at least the international one only supports 2 or 3g with them. It supports all of their noon or most of their non LTE bands but only one of the LTE which means no LTE. I finally got everything working on att including MMS. just took a few days att recognized the device as essentially a flip phone and only capable of 2g. After talking to the a few times they simply changed some settings on their end and I'm more than happy with it. I wouldn't even wait for the US verssion assuming it ever comes.
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There's only one AT&T 4G FDD band supported by the International version of the V10--FDD Band 5, which isn't supported on the vast majority of AT&T's LTE network. Keep your eye on the network status of your phone. You may find as you travel around your city that you fall back to 3G data at times as many towers in metro areas that have some support for FDD Bands 2,4 or 5 remain FDD Band 17 only. Here's a list of US/Canadian carrier cellular bands. https://www.signalbooster.com/pages/what-are-the-cellular-frequencies-of-cell-phone-carriers-in-usa-canada
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There's only one AT&T 4G FDD band supported by the International version of the V10--FDD Band 5, which isn't supported on the vast majority of AT&T's LTE network. Keep your eye on the network status of your phone. You may find as you travel around your city that you fall back to 3G data at times as many towers in metro areas that have some support for FDD Bands 2,4 or 5 remain FDD Band 17 only. Here's a list of US/Canadian carrier cellular bands. https://www.signalbooster.com/pages...quencies-of-cell-phone-carriers-in-usa-canada
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I've been I'm Dallas, Arlington and fort Worth and cities in between and never dropped below hspa+. It also supports band 2,4,12 and 17 which are all LTE. The only issue I had was that because the phone is unrecognized it was automatically put in as a 2g device. I've traveled 60 some miles in a few directions each and almost always had LTE. It was partially trying to get the correct settings on the phone and then on their end.
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I've been I'm Dallas, Arlington and fort Worth and cities in between and never dropped below hspa+. It also supports band 2,4,12 and 17 which are all LTE. The only issue I had was that because the phone is unrecognized it was automatically put in as a 2g device. I've traveled 60 some miles in a few directions each and almost always had LTE. It was partially trying to get the correct settings on the phone and then on their end.
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The International/Global version of the V10 supports 4G FDD bands 1/3/5/8/38/39/41. https://www.frequencycheck.com/models/ARa6n/huawei-honor-view-10-global-dual-sim-td-lte-bkl-l09-128gb You are falling off LTE because only FDD band 5 is supported by AT&T, and then only in some metropolitan areas, and then only in areas of those cities with congestion issues. (Technically, HSPA+ is 3G, granted souped up 3G speeds but not with data rates as high as 4G.)
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No EIS or OIS is definitely a con
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whymista said:
Carrier aggregation is supported I see it as an option on mine and its on. This is in the US however.
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Lack of carrier aggregation is the only reason stopping me to buy Honor View 10. I tried to find the info everywhere even Honor India support is clueless if CA is available in this device
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Even I'm still clueless despite me asking in various threads, no honor guys have data. I am sure in Indian market its already selling in big nos. No answer usually means no native CA support on 3/5/40 bands!
Thanks for your region specific inputs on LTE @mke1973 @whymista @CertifiedBlyndGuy
This is actually a huge issue, just like OP3 got LTE+ CA support in US/EU bands it never got CA on 3/5/40 Indian bands despite selling in huge no. Having such region-specific models hampers long-term dev, which Honor should workaround with better designed universal bands-supported phones like MI MIX2.
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At this point, the V10 for the US/North America is vaporware. It was supposed to have launched on 8 January along side the International and Indian versions. That was the statement made at the 5 December London event. Then the V10 page disappeared from Honor's US website and suddenly the US/North American version launch date and price weren't going to be made available. Very recently, the V10 page reloaded on Honor's US site, but it doesn't contain any specs about the 4G FDD bands that will be supported. It should be more than AT&T's bands since it should be able to support Canada (Mexico pretty much uses AT&T bands)--T Mobile's established FDD bands should be supported, but Samsung will probably remain the only brand including radios for T Mobile's new spectrum in phones this year. Honor needs to post all the 4G FDD bands in the specs, it's not acceptable to only say FDD--that gives absolutely no information on carrier support.
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It's not vaporware if it's already been released somewhere -- that refers to prototype hardware/software that never sees the light of day. Anyways, what I read from the official statement was that the "International" release (UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain and India) was January 8th, with the US launch to be announced at a later time. I think some people saw "international" and immediately thought it included the US.
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The catch is, your contract must be fulfilled. But it's a start:
http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2013/db1114/DOC-324166A1.pdf
Note- this is referring to SIM unlocking and NOT bootloader unlocking.
wow , we are on the start here of some cooperation from the carriers,,thanx for posting,,steve:good:
so if im off contract with verizon they have to unlock my phones from now on? since i buy everything at full retail off contract?
This device is already sim unlocked. This doesn't impact us at all.
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This device is already sim unlocked. This doesn't impact us at all.
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I was about to say the same. Most phones on Verizon are sim unlocked now.
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Great that this is finally happen to promote competitive pricing on hardware that will no longer be exclusive to a carrier
I understood it better by reading this news article http://www.techspot.com/news/54711-...-wireless-carriers-to-unlock-cell-phones.html
While this does not effect our Note 3, it does effect Verizon's network availability to other carriers phones. i.e. phones that support all bands etc etc will also have to be available for use on Verizon. With the latest phones supporting all bands/frequencies (gsm & cdma both) it will allow us to use other phones that we could not before.
Example here would be the Nexus 5 support (our band(s) of lte can be enabled through ota as long as Verizon's network will allow it, but obviously Google can't do that until Verizon signs off on it)
Basically qualcomm has it disabled in the chip itself....and it can be updated.....
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While this does not effect our Note 3, it does effect Verizon's network availability to other carriers phones. i.e. phones that support all bands etc etc will also have to be available for use on Verizon. With the latest phones supporting all bands/frequencies (gsm & cdma both) it will allow us to use other phones that we could not before.
Example here would be the Nexus 5 support (our band(s) of lte can be enabled through ota as long as Verizon's network will allow it, but obviously Google can't do that until Verizon signs off on it)
Basically qualcomm has it disabled in the chip itself....and it can be updated.....
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You would still have to be able to activate the device on Verizon's network, which they don't and likely won't allow. Unlocking the SIM doesn't make it work with Verizon.
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You would still have to be able to activate the device on Verizon's network, which they don't and likely won't allow. Unlocking the SIM doesn't make it work with Verizon.
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Re-read what I wrote.
I'm referring to unlocking the chip itself, not just the SIM. And I also stated the same thing about verizon not allowing it, hence what this thread is about. Verizon doesn't allow it, but that's what the FCC is trying to change.
Example - 2013 Nexus 7..... Similar to what I'm referring to.
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Long story short, if this actually got approved, manufacturers could make phones that support Verizon's bands/frequencies regardless of how Verizon feels about it. Device would be compatible even without Verizon's permission.
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Re-read what I wrote.
I'm referring to unlocking the chip itself, not just the SIM. And I also stated the same thing about verizon not allowing it, hence what this thread is about. Verizon doesn't allow it, but that's what the FCC is trying to change.
Example - 2013 Nexus 7..... Similar to what I'm referring to.
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Long story short, if this actually got approved, manufacturers could make phones that support Verizon's bands/frequencies regardless of how Verizon feels about it. Device would be compatible even without Verizon's permission.
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This is only true with an LTE only device which will exist towards the end of the year. However VoLTE will still be limited. Any device with CDMA tech will not get approved unless it's a Verizon device. This IS about carrier (SIM) unlocking. Not sure what "chip" you are referring to.
Ok, sorry about this bit of a noob (and the MIUI forums are a bit sarcy) you guys are usually helpful..ok, i bought a redmi 5 + from ebay, it came as the chinese model i.e MEE7 (not MET7 or MEG7) now when i boot up it says 'unlocked' under the Mi logo and there's a unlocked padlock symbol, the MIUI version is Global 9.5 Stable 9.5.11.0 (NEGMIFA) which i received as an OTA (so i assume i can get OTAs for this phone even though it's Chinese?)...now i've been told that i can't get band 20 (via MIUI forums and said i was ripped off) after checking on LTE discovery i'm on band 7 (i'm in the UK and with EE and i seem to get 4G+) is band 20 that important? how can i check what bands this phone has got? is band 20 faster? on net velocity i get 35.25mps download and 19.72mps upload., is this ok?..also will i be hampered in anyway with regards to future updates, including Oreo and MIUI 10...any help would be great guys, and cheers for helping a noob.
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Band 20 is an issue in some countries where it is used more, and not in others. Don't know about the UK, but it is being rolled out more and more across Europe.
It's important because it's a low frequency band for good coverage both outdoors over a long range and deep indoors. This is the band that also gives you the good converge inside of the buildings.
Higher frequency bands have more capacity. Lower frequency bands have better coverage.
You shouldn't be missing anything else. Your phone should update fine with the global rom.
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You shouldn't be missing anything else. Your phone should update fine with the global rom.
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Ok cool, so i'm not crippled by the fact it's a chinese model then (as it updates fine via OTA) by the way how can i check what bands are on this phone?? the apps i've tried just tell the band being currently used (in my case 7) but nothing tells you what is available (on Mediatek you can use engineering mode) does a mode exist for QC snapdragon?
But : are you sure your are getting 4g+ and not only 4g?
Because many xiaomi phones including the 5 plus don't have interband carrier aggregation on bands 3+7 (only intraband which is used in China).
There is however a patch on the miui forum to enable it. But some users have reported that the resulting speeds are slower than 4g. Others haven't said anything.
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Yes, search Google for the ### code tu access the engineering info. You can see the bands there.
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But : are you sure your are getting 4g+ and not only 4g?
Because many xiaomi phones including the 5 plus don't have interband carrier aggregation on bands 3+7 (only intraband which is used in China).
There is however a patch on the miui forum to enable it. But some users have reported that the resulting speeds are slower than 4g. Others haven't said anything.
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Yes, search Google for the ### code tu access the engineering info. You can see the bands there.
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Tried all codes on here with no luck in any answering what available bands there are??
http://www.hardreset.info/devices/xiaomi/xiaomi-redmi-5-plus/codes/
it says 4G+ in the notification panel (next to my battery percentage) and i posted the mps in the first post...do those speeds (in your opinion) equate to 4G+...i just want to know if band 20 is unlocked? but there is no way of bloody checking?!
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Tried all codes on here with no luck in any answering what available bands there are??
http://www.hardreset.info/devices/xiaomi/xiaomi-redmi-5-plus/codes/
it says 4G+ in the notification panel (next to my battery percentage) and i posted the mps in the first post...do those speeds (in your opinion) equate to 4G+...i just want to know if band 20 is unlocked? but there is no way of bloody checking?!
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There are at least three versions of this same model (not variant);
First, the chinese version that was the first available in stores like Aliexpress, Gearbest and others (I bought this), it has firmware only in chinese and english and then to solve this some sellers flashed international rom to devices that were dispatched for other places in the world out of China and some devices came unlocked out of the box.
A second version precharged with international firmware (by the manufacturer) with more languages for the great demmand in the world.
These two previous versions came with the bands 4G: FDD-LTE B1/B3/B5/B7/B8 and there´s no way to enable more bands cause is a limitation hardware related.
A third version Global that came with the bands 4G:FDD LTE B1: 2100/B3: 1800/B4: 1700/B5: 850/B7: 2600/B8: 900/B20: 800MHz for a difference about 25Usd at starting in february; in red marked the added bands.
SubwayChamp said:
There are at least three versions of this same model (not variant);
First, the chinese version that was the first available in stores like Aliexpress, Gearbest and others (I bought this),
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Is yours the MET7 or MEE7 version?? (i have MEE7) does this make a difference?
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A second version precharged with international firmware (by the manufacturer) with more languages for the great demmand in the world.
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How do i know which version is which? (as i stated in OP when i boot phone it says unlocked on bootscreen with an open padlock, do you think it's the seller who did this or the factory? )
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These two previous versions came with the bands 4G: FDD-LTE B1/B3/B5/B7/B8 and there´s no way to enable more bands cause is a limitation hardware related.
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So it's safe to say it doesn't have band 20 then? as i said before via lTE discovery it says band 7 (but i get 4G+ and very fast speeds)...
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A third version Global that came with the bands 4G:FDD LTE B1: 2100/B3: 1800/B4: 1700/B5: 850/B7: 2600/B8: 900/B20: 800MHz for a difference about 25Usd at starting in february; in red marked the added bands.
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So should i really worry at not having band 20, or should i ask for a swap to a global version if it's going to cause me problems in the future with regards to OTAs (i.e MIUI 10 and Oreo etc) i have received working OTAs recently with no problems...
thanks for answering.
See.
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Is yours the MET7 or MEE7 version?? (i have MEE7) does this make a difference?
How do i know which version is which? (as i stated in OP when i boot phone it says unlocked on bootscreen with an open padlock, do you think it's the seller who did this or the factory? )
So it's safe to say it doesn't have band 20 then? as i said before via lTE discovery it says band 7 (but i get 4G+ and very fast speeds)...
So should i really worry at not having band 20, or should i ask for a swap to a global version if it's going to cause me problems in the future with regards to OTAs (i.e MIUI 10 and Oreo etc) i have received working OTAs recently with no problems...
thanks for answering.
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Mine is MEE7 version, there is no substantial differences, most likely is a method to mark the batches simply.
This version is the first chinese anyway the second has the same bands enabled, only the differences are the firmware pre-installed. Other simply way to check this is that this version came into a box very red with all chinese letters and the second comes in a red-orange-ish. Yes, sellers unlock bootloader in this first version to can flash international firmware more easily and without risks to brick device.
If your carrier works in the band 7 for 4G and also 4G+ then it has to work normally, Many countries don't work with the band 20, any of the bands allows implement the most advanced features so them depends on the carrier it mean that an operator can improve the reachability in a band but improve the strength signal in other; first option is most used in cities with less population to reach great distances and a second is used to improve the quality when demand it's highly required.
No worry about OTAs, updates, miui 10, this version is absolutely functional and working great.
@seedaripper
Hi
If you can get hold of an O2 SIM try and see if it will work in your phone, if it does you have Band 20 (800), as O2 only use Band 20 in UK.
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Mine is MEE7 version, there is no substantial differences, most likely is a method to mark the batches simply.
No worry about OTAs, updates, miui 10, this version is absolutely functional and working great.
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great stuff, thanks for clearing that up. I was told that I was duped by miui forum member as I have a rigged phone?? Made me worry a bit, to be honest my signal isn't super great indoors is there anyway to change that?
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@seedaripper
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If you can get hold of an O2 SIM try and see if it will work in your phone, if it does you have Band 20 (800), as O2 only use Band 20 in UK.
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Nice one mate, I'll ask around. Ya for the heads up.
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@seedaripper
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If you can get hold of an O2 SIM try and see if it will work in your phone, if it does you have Band 20 (800), as O2 only use Band 20 in UK.
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Did I answer this?
seedaripper said:
great stuff, thanks for clearing that up. I was told that I was duped by miui forum member as I have a rigged phone?? Made me worry a bit, to be honest my signal isn't super great indoors is there anyway to change that?
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No, I´m very prideful for this device, it´s not a fake at all, the great difference is only the two bands enabled in the global (really) version but I didn´t need this.
There is something that I noted like a difference within miui roms and any aosp based rom, the signal in aosp roms is slightly better than in miui roms. A simple way to see the strength is going to Settings/about phone/status/sim status you will see a range normally between (in my experience);
- In aosp based roms it´s -83 to -91
- In miui or miui based roms it´s -91 to -97
When the level is more (in a negative scale) it´s mean better signal. That´s about cellullar signal not specifically the uploading/downloading of data, for this there should be an application in Play Store also some custom tweaked roms can improve this.
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- In aosp based roms it´s -83 to -91
- In miui or miui based roms it´s -91 to -97
When the level is more (in a negative scale) it´s mean better signal. That´s about cellullar signal not specifically the uploading/downloading of data, for this there should be an application in Play Store also some custom tweaked roms can improve this.
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Ok so i'm getting 83dBm 57 asu? don't you mean when the level is 'less' in a negative scale i.e the lower the better?
Yes, i'm pleased by the phone, just a bit worried about future updates, to be honest (with regards to it being a foreign ROM on a Chinese phone) i don't use my data much (only when travelling abroad or journeys within the UK) otherwise i leech from wifi...looking forward to MIUI 10 (and fingers crossed an Oreo update in its wake)
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Ok so i'm getting 83dBm 57 asu? don't you mean when the level is 'less' in a negative scale i.e the lower the better?
Yes, i'm pleased by the phone, just a bit worried about future updates, to be honest (with regards to it being a foreign ROM on a Chinese phone) i don't use my data much (only when travelling abroad or journeys within the UK) otherwise i leech from wifi...looking forward to MIUI 10 (and fingers crossed an Oreo update in its wake)
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No, definitely you don´t have nothing to worry about, remember that really all R5+ are chinese, I just referred to a chinese version to indicate how it´s recogniced the first version but Xiaomi considers all these versions like upgradable.
You have an excellent signal strength, you forgot the symbol (-) and it´s correct the stated before, in a positive scale a superior number is more and in a negative scale an inferior number is in the same way by the logic of the opposites; more.
1. Does Black Shark 3 Pro support HDMI out via usb-c?
2. Does it support volte in the USA at all?
Would appreciate answers as I'm considering this device but can't find answers to these two questions anywhere.
It supports HDMI to type C and they have an official cable for that..
Check the frequencies supported by the unit you will be buying.. For reference, check GSM arena for that
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It supports HDMI to type C and they have an official cable for that..
Check the frequencies supported by the unit you will be buying.. For reference, check GSM arena for that
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Thanks.
I know it supports the correct LTE frequencies, but I've had Chinese phones before that didn't get volte.
To be fair, I use cricket because I don't care much about data speeds, and maybe they only allow specific phones to get volte. I just want to make sure I don't buy and then have a useless phone by next year.
Thanks for the reply!
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Thanks.
I know it supports the correct LTE frequencies, but I've had Chinese phones before that didn't get volte.
To be fair, I use cricket because I don't care much about data speeds, and maybe they only allow specific phones to get volte. I just want to make sure I don't buy and then have a useless phone by next year.
Thanks for the reply!
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Volte works in US. It is missing some bands though. I dont get great service in some areas.
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Volte works in US. It is missing some bands though. I dont get great service in some areas.
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Thanks man, think I'm going to get it. Global version I'm looking at has every band I need, and I kind of want the massive screen more than the ROG3's superior specs.
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Thanks man, think I'm going to get it. Global version I'm looking at has every band I need, and I kind of want the massive screen more than the ROG3's superior specs.
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Yes, cricket(ATT) you should have all bands. You might have an issue with volte though. ATT...errr cricket a real PITA with getting volte. I love the phone, other than missing some key tmo bands
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Yes, cricket(ATT) you should have all bands. You might have an issue with volte though. ATT...errr cricket a real PITA with getting volte. I love the phone, other than missing some key tmo bands
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Am actually going to move to mint I think, the volte thing has been annoying me for awhile. Are you missing bands for tmobile because you have the Chinese version? Because I checked the global and it has 2, 4, and 17 which appear to be the main ones.
Do you mind if I ask your personal opinion on the battery life? You seem like you've had it awhile ?
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Am actually going to move to mint I think, the volte thing has been annoying me for awhile. Are you missing bands for tmobile because you have the Chinese version? Because I checked the global and it has 2, 4, and 17 which appear to be the main ones.
Do you mind if I ask your personal opinion on the battery life? You seem like you've had it awhile ?
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Batt life is insane. On mint you will be missing b 66 and 71. Same as tmo. I do at times, especially mediocre areas, have no signal, while my wifes phone has a signal. I guess i will deal with it. Overall i love the phone.
got the phone yesterday. I really like it. I know it has support for ATT 5G based on some information online (1 out of three bands).
I have tried all the tricks in the book, changed the APN every which way and then contacted ATT to get 5G. They have tried all kinds of things but apparently it's not working.
Anybody else here from the US with 5G success? Curious to hear your story, better even if it's on ATT.
cheers
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got the phone yesterday. I really like it. I know it has support for ATT 5G based on some information online (1 out of three bands).
I have tried all the tricks in the book, changed the APN every which way and then contacted ATT to get 5G. They have tried all kinds of things but apparently it's not working.
Anybody else here from the US with 5G success? Curious to hear your story, better even if it's on ATT.
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the answer is no. Maybe there are areas for which this phone might work, definitely not here. ATT support tried all their tricks with the IMEI but they couldn't get past their stupid regulated 5G certification I assume. I am switching - Any suggestions? I know that OnePlus Pro works on T Mobile.
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I had similar problem. I htink that AT&T has done a huge bait and switch, and taken any phones not sold by them, and classified them as 3g phones.
My redmi note prog (1.5 yrs old) just went into this 3g mode, and AT&T support claims they cant do anything for this...
very frustrating.
any lawyers around for a class action suit!??????
I couldnt even get my problem escalated... they said forget about
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I had similar problem. I htink that AT&T has done a huge bait and switch, and taken any phones not sold by them, and classified them as 3g phones.
My redmi note prog (1.5 yrs old) just went into this 3g mode, and AT&T support claims they cant do anything for this...
very frustrating.
any lawyers around for a class action suit!??????
I couldnt even get my problem escalated... they said forget about
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Wow, I'd definitely report this to the Consumer Court. I just went through an ordeal with Samsung and they were responsive. It's a decent amount of work to go through this. If they truly move these phones to 3G that's a big foul. I would definitely switch. I returned my Xiaomi and switched to a Pixel 5a which works under ATT.
good luck
here is the link
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Learn how to file a complaint about products or services including phone and cable, your car, and online purchases. Complain about phone and text scams.
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it will likely go through your local state office as it did with my complaint. They took the information I provided and established a resolution.
derausgewanderte said:
the answer is no. Maybe there are areas for which this phone might work, definitely not here. ATT support tried all their tricks with the IMEI but they couldn't get past their stupid regulated 5G certification I assume. I am switching - Any suggestions? I know that OnePlus Pro works on T Mobile.
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Setting aside for the moment the ATT tricks (left them in Feb 2020 glad I did)....it depends on what bands are actually being broadcast by the carrier in your area. LTE-wise I remember ATT in my area would only broadcast on bands 2 and 17. 5 was almost non-existent...4 was not at all available. Tmobile on the other hand is big on band 4 in my area, 66 and 41 (due to Sprint) and also on 2. I had a mi max 3 some time back and since it has 4 but no 2 and 17 it did not get LTE on ATT but would have worked fairly well w T-mobile in my area (then I was with ATT)
check
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CellMapper is a crowd-sourced cellular tower and coverage mapping service.
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I am looking at getting the Pixel 6 (or possibly the 6 pro) and was checking out the Google store where they sell different versions of the 6/6pro.
I'm on Verizon and my current pixel is a Verizon version which has a locked bootloader. I've bricked my device twice because of failed OTAs and I want my next one to be an unlocked Google version instead of the locked down Verizon version. I want to be able to install TWRP like I used to with my Samsung devices (I left Samsung devices when they started locking them down).
In the fine print, it says the unlocked version does not work with Verizon's mmWave network (5G).
Is this correct? If I get an unlocked version it will not work with the fastest version of 5G? Or is this because it works with any carrier and they all use different 5G bands?
TLDR: I want a version that I can unlock the BL. Will I lose out on 5G if I buy this version? Pardon the question if this has already been answered in some of the other google 5G devices like the pixel 4/5 +5G forums...
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I am looking at getting the Pixel 6 (or possibly the 6 pro) and was checking out the Google store where they sell different versions of the 6/6pro.
I'm on Verizon and my current pixel is a Verizon version which has a locked bootloader. I've bricked my device twice because of failed OTAs and I want my next one to be an unlocked Google version instead of the locked down Verizon version. I want to be able to install TWRP like I used to with my Samsung devices (I left Samsung devices when they started locking them down).
In the fine print, it says the unlocked version does not work with Verizon's mmWave network (5G).
Is this correct? If I get an unlocked version it will not work with the fastest version of 5G? Or is this because it works with any carrier and they all use different 5G bands?
TLDR: I want a version that I can unlock the BL. Will I lose out on 5G if I buy this version? Pardon the question if this has already been answered in some of the other google 5G devices like the pixel 4/5 +5G forums...
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The unlocked version doesn't have the fastest version of 5g for Verizon but Verizon has that so few spots that it's basically worthless at this point. Maybe in 3 years it will be worthwhile but I wouldn't buy a phone based on that spec.
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Ah cool. So the short answer for Verizon is:
6 Pro - locked or unlocked works on all 5G frequencies, so get the unlocked one.
6 unlocked - does not have mmW. But Verizon mmW sux at the moment (depends where you live) so no big loss...
6 locked - works with Verizon bands but is locked by VZW
gcodori said:
Ah cool. So the short answer for Verizon is:
6 Pro - locked or unlocked works on all 5G frequencies, so get the unlocked one.
6 unlocked - does not have mmW. But Verizon mmW sux at the moment (depends where you live) so no big loss...
6 locked - works with Verizon bands but is locked by VZW
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Correct. For non-pro Pixel 6, mmW is only available on the Pixel 6 locked version from Verizon.
To be honest, look at the coverage map for mmW to see if you get any use out of it. It is so limited that most won't see a beneift. It does suck Verizon will not offer a lock non-mmW version so people can take advantage of trade-in deals and such.
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Correct. For non-pro Pixel 6, mmW is only available on the Pixel 6 locked version from Verizon.
To be honest, look at the coverage map for mmW to see if you get any use out of it. It is so limited that most won't see a beneift. It does suck Verizon will not offer a lock non-mmW version so people can take advantage of trade-in deals and such.
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I didn't realize this when I ordered my P6 but I agree it is not a huge deal at this point. I am still getting mostly LTE at home and work on VZW and slower 5g on my Pixel 5 every once in a while right now. I have had two work phones, one on TMobile and the other on AT&T both Galaxy phones and I was getting faster speeds on 5g when I had it. I am tempted to go TMobile as I now get just as good coverage at my house as Verizon.
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I didn't realize this when I ordered my P6 but I agree it is not a huge deal at this point. I am still getting mostly LTE at home and work on VZW and slower 5g on my Pixel 5 every once in a while right now. I have had two work phones, one on TMobile and the other on AT&T both Galaxy phones and I was getting faster speeds on 5g when I had it. I am tempted to go TMobile as I now get just as good coverage at my house as Verizon.
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TMobile's 5G still needs a lot of work. For me, it's less stable and speed improvements are negligible most of the time. Their LTE does just fine and I get good enough reception and speed for me.
My main reason to be with TMobile is the price I pay for our 5 lines, can't beat it.
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TMobile's 5G still needs a lot of work. For me, it's less stable and speed improvements are negligible most of the time. Their LTE does just fine and I get good enough reception and speed for me.
My main reason to be with TMobile is the price I pay for our 5 lines, can't beat it.
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Are you planning to get your Pixel 6 from T-Mobile? If so, have you heard anything about how the monthly updates will work with T-Mobile Pixels vs. Google Pixels? Will it be direct from Google or indirect from T-Mobile?
BTW, I also stay with T-Mobile since my monthly has been under $100 for a decade+ for 3 lines.
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Are you planning to get your Pixel 6 from T-Mobile? If so, have you heard anything about how the monthly updates will work with T-Mobile Pixels vs. Google Pixels? Will it be direct from Google or indirect from T-Mobile?
BTW, I also stay with T-Mobile since my monthly has been under $100 for a decade+ for 3 lines.
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I bought my Pixel 6 directly from Google this time. I have been exclusively doing unlocked phones for last 3-4. Main reason is the delay in updates and features. I love how Google updates most apps and features separately of the OS update. I find many carrier phones lump upgrades together. Also give me the option to try beta softwares and such.
I usually sell on Swappa but actually doing a trade-in with Google since they offered me $375 for my Pixel 5.
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I bought my Pixel 6 directly from Google this time. I have been exclusively doing unlocked phones for last 3-4. Main reason is the delay in updates and features. I love how Google updates most apps and features separately of the OS update. I find many carrier phones lump upgrades together. Also give me the option to try beta softwares and such.
I usually sell on Swappa but actually doing a trade-in with Google since they offered me $375 for my Pixel 5.
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I agree with having the direct 'link', so to speak.
I, on the other hand, have a tendency to keep phones a few years, e.g, last 4 were Nexus 5 unlocked, Pixel unlocked, One Plus 6t (T-Mobile MSM converted to international version), and next Thursday the Pixel 6 (probably T-Mobile version).
First after Motorola razor, was My Touch 3g.
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I agree with having the direct 'link', so to speak.
I, on the other hand, have a tendency to keep phones a few years, e.g, last 4 were Nexus 5 unlocked, Pixel unlocked, One Plus 6t (T-Mobile MSM converted to international version), and next Thursday the Pixel 6 (probably T-Mobile version).
First after Motorola razor, was My Touch 3g.
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Very nice. I try to keep phones a whole but prior to this had two unfortunate events where I dropped it had needed to replace them. The Pixel 5 been solid but the features and price of the Pixel 6, coupled with my trade value, I decided to upgrade.
Not to hijack this thread, but I have a similar question. AT&T is not going to whitelist my OnePlus 5T for VoLTE, so I was going to get an unlocked Pixel 6 (GB7N6), but if they don't whitelist the unlocked pixel 6, then I'm out of luck for it working there too, right? I'm not concerned about mmW, but not being able to use the phone as a phone (voice / VoLTE) will be a problem. But I don't want a locked phone.
Can anyone provide some insight?
thanks in advance.
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Not to hijack this thread, but I have a similar question. AT&T is not going to whitelist my OnePlus 5T for VoLTE, so I was going to get an unlocked Pixel 6 (GB7N6), but if they don't whitelist the unlocked pixel 6, then I'm out of luck for it working there too, right? I'm not concerned about mmW, but not being able to use the phone as a phone (voice / VoLTE) will be a problem. But I don't want a locked phone.
Can anyone provide some insight?
thanks in advance.
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You hit the nail on the head, it is up to AT&T to whitelist. They have previously whitelisted Google phones so I think you will be ok.
This is what I found from AT&T concerning unlocked phones. File says updated October 13th 2021.
https://www.att.com/idpassets/images/support/wireless/Service-Capabilities-Unlocked-Devices-ATT-Network.pdf
I knew about the mmWave situation when I purchased my Pixel 6 and was fine with it; I bought the unlocked model for exclusive use on Verizon. I'm in the middle of North Dakota, and I'm just not worried about it. I haven't even looked at a coverage map, but my cellular bandwidth speed isn't ever why I purchase a phone. I also bought the unlocked version if I decide to root the device in the future.
mmWave 5g is currently being installed at large facilities where you will find a high density of people Places like airports and sports arenas.
This is because mmWave technology has a very short range and it generally won't penetrate buildings. I doubt mmWave 5g will EVER be used in a lot of places, but I certainly would not worry about it in this generation of phones. Even if you live in a large city (like LA) where mmWave is "rolled out" it is only going to work at these large facilities like the coliseum and airport. If you live in a medium or small city, you won't have mmWave coverage for years - perhaps ever.
There is no way I would pay $100 more for the Verizon phone with mmWave - even if I lived in a big city.
sic0048 said:
mmWave 5g is currently being installed at large facilities where you will find a high density of people Places like airports and sports arenas.
This is because mmWave technology has a very short range and it generally won't penetrate buildings. I doubt mmWave 5g will EVER be used in a lot of places, but I certainly would not worry about it in this generation of phones. Even if you live in a large city (like LA) where mmWave is "rolled out" it is only going to work at these large facilities like the coliseum and airport. If you live in a medium or small city, you won't have mmWave coverage for years - perhaps ever.
There is no way I would pay $100 more for the Verizon phone with mmWave - even if I lived in a big city.
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Exactly. Similar to the initial Roll Out of 4G an d 5G. Its going to need time to grow.
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TMobile's 5G still needs a lot of work. For me, it's less stable and speed improvements are negligible most of the time. Their LTE does just fine and I get good enough reception and speed for me.
My main reason to be with TMobile is the price I pay for our 5 lines, can't beat it.
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I disagreed...in the Baltimore region, when there is traffic jam, 5G would connect, LTE would just stalled.
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I disagreed...in the Baltimore region, when there is traffic jam, 5G would connect, LTE would just stalled.
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I would agree some areas are always better than others but as a whole I believe it still needs a lot of work. The SA rollout is impressive but I still get a lot of "hang" time on true 5G compared to LTE.
This is in multiple areas of the country during my travels over the last year.
Wouldn't the network on which you wish to operate the device require a set parameter in the OS that allowed signals from the provider to be deciphered? Back in the day we simply called this 'the radio', and if you wanted to switch providers you had to make sure the device could 'talk' to the new network after you installed a new SIM card. You did that by comparing the device specs with what bandwidths the provider was broadcasting on. If the Pixel you buy shows in its specifications list that it works with the band your provider broadcasts on, it's then a case of ensuring the ROM you run on the device can make use of that particular radio band. Pretty simple, tbh...
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You hit the nail on the head, it is up to AT&T to whitelist. They have previously whitelisted Google phones so I think you will be ok.
This is what I found from AT&T concerning unlocked phones. File says updated October 13th 2021.
https://www.att.com/idpassets/images/support/wireless/Service-Capabilities-Unlocked-Devices-ATT-Network.pdf
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The above link was updated on November 4th and AT&T has indeed whitelisted the Pixel 6 (GB7N6). I ordered that phone from Google last week and still waiting for it to arrive. So I can't verify yet if VoLTE and wifi calling will work yet. I can update this post when I get the phone.
rlstapp said:
The above link was updated on November 4th and AT&T has indeed whitelisted the Pixel 6 (GB7N6). I ordered that phone from Google last week and still waiting for it to arrive. So I can't verify yet if VoLTE and wifi calling will work yet. I can update this post when I get the phone.
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Good stuff, I am sure you will have no issues as long a the provisioning happens properly. My unlocked Pixel 6 had no isse with T-Mobile utilizing an eSim.