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I have the webtop hack on mine so I don't have the update yet, and with no root ability yet I'm not having it. So I'm asking is there a considerable plus to having the update done? I don't have a car dock so don't care about that, battery life will never be improved, I can push the power button myself when charging, and the finger print thing....well that does drive me a little crazy. So should I take off the hack for the update and wait for root.... or just wait, because its not that great?
yep, first thing is battery is lasting long..28 hours moderate use, still 30%
fingerprint scanner works great..
free memory increased by 200 megs..
but you will lose root...
I haven't noticed any difference whatsoever.
Battery life is the same for me and the fingerprint sensor is about the same.
Free memory? You mean storage space? Definitely not RAM.
I don't know if overall stability has really improved or not. 5 minutes ago my browser crashed for no apparent reason.
After 1 day it seems like this update is a letdown. Perhaps dock users are benefitting from it. The sooner they fully release this thing the sooner they get working on an update thats actually worth a damn.
Yesterday I used mine off charger for about 12 hours and was still at 60% battery. I was shocked, but not worth the trade off for root. I'm waiting for Motorola to send me a survey on it so I can give them a piece of my mind about locking the phone down even more. I sell these things, and customers that are interested in the Atrix are only interested in it's specs for mostly a hacking standpoint. People who want simplicity get the iPhone, that's all there is to it. Blocking Psnuter is rather lame in my book. I'll be flashing back to stock then back to gingerblur tonight. The update also killed my lock screen, but I think that's because I used Titanium Backup to restore my data. Now I only have pattern unlock, and I can use any pattern to unlock. I can also just press any of the circles and it unlocks. Kindof a neat trick, but not worth root loss.
roscoejackson said:
I haven't noticed any difference whatsoever.
Battery life is the same for me and the fingerprint sensor is about the same.
Free memory? You mean storage space? Definitely not RAM.
I don't know if overall stability has really improved or not. 5 minutes ago my browser crashed for no apparent reason.
After 1 day it seems like this update is a letdown. Perhaps dock users are benefitting from it. The sooner they fully release this thing the sooner they get working on an update thats actually worth a damn.
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I meant RAM, i see now 200megs free..before it used to be 250 meg free, now its 450 free
Well, I guess I'm sitting tight and not restoring for the update then.
the update is good (fingerprint better, battery life better, wifi on simunlocked device still doesnt work tho), but loosing root isnt acceptable for me at all, so i restored back to the retail sbf.
crnkoj said:
the update is good (fingerprint better, battery life better, wifi on simunlocked device still doesnt work tho), but loosing root isnt acceptable for me at all, so i restored back to the retail sbf.
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Hold up, you mean if the device is sim unlocked you can't use wifi ?
I am not sold on the update
I updated and lost root and the webtop mod. (I knew this going in)
Battery is about the same.
Fingerprint sensor is maybe a little bit better.
Touch screens and input seems quicker.
But I have had some issues:
-Wifi takes longer to lock
-On Pandora sometimes I want the screen on when I am in the car and the screen shuts down anyway.
-For the first time Endomondo had problems getting a satellite lock after the update
And the nag screen about the update bugged me as did the Motorola questionaire about rooting and mods..
I am going to wait and see if the gurus get root. If not it is back to retail sbf and restore apps and data from Titanium...
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Hold up, you mean if the device is sim unlocked you can't use wifi ?
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dude, just read this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980047
I also received the update. To me it seems the fingerprint swipe is more reliable. The battery life is greatly improved.
I do have some issues with wifi disconnecting and reconnecting - but I think that is my router that is recycling, because my wife's iphone has the same issues, and at the same time.
welk I am happy the touchscreen works great now. Battery life I don't know I game while streaming radio. But touch screen is only thing I really cared about. More than root. Untill we can get Overclock I don't need root that badly. Cache mate, setcpu, TiBu, root explorer, and a couple more. All those for a working touch screen and a little faster unlock (slide)... don't use the finger scanner, but when I did factory out of the box it worked everytime the first time. Maybe.... "your not holding it the right way" Lolololol.
Geez, I might as well have just put a poll, because it sounds like its hit or miss down the line. I'm still staying rooted though. At least until the hsupa update comes.
updated yday and flashed back few min ago, for me there was no change at all. love webtop hack to much
I know that this is probably the most commonly asked question and that i should read what you, the community recommended to the others, but i feel that this is a very controversial topic and one that does go out of date.
So I own the HTC Droid Incredible. I have had it rooted since day one and have been running the stock rom happily on it. Now i want to say i have loved this phone and i love the android software on it and can't imagine switching to anything else. However i got a few problems with it that i wish to be resolved in my upgrade.
First issue, out of date software being pushed out that wipes my phone. This seems to be a common problem people have, and in my house we own 2 of these phones so and both had it happen to them 1 rooted 1 not, where HTC would push out a update that wouldn't update half the time, and the other half the time would simply do a factory reset on the phone without updating. I also have had issues with the software not allowing anymore notifications or messages to be received due to it thinking it doesn't have enough application data despite having a gb of space for that free.
I also have had issues with the battery life on this phone. I am not a person who uses the phone excessively, though if i could i would, but even so checking the internet 5 or so times, and sending a handful of text messages seems to wipe the battery before noon. I am then forced to recharge it to make it through the day. Depending on my location to outlets i am sometimes forced to use my cellphone merely for calls or the potential of calls, as i do not have the battery by 3 O'clock to do anything more then receive or make 1 more 10 minute phonecall.
So these issues are the ones i have had and wish to be rectified in my new phone. Now i got to say the things i love about it: It's size. I Do not need a giant screen, and for the most part dislike them as they sit awkwardly in my pocket. Its performance is very good, though sometimes seems a little sluggish but only rarely. And its feeling in my hand. Perfect size and weight that it just feels natural their.
Now im not saying i wouldn't want a bigger phone but it would have to be way better bang for the size for it to be worthwhile for me.
When it is all said and done i want a phone that will have very little software glitches, great battery life, 8 hours of usage time would be great, and something that can run HD games and watch Netflix movies with no problem.
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Forgot to add i am on Verizon Wireless and that the update is a couple months away so feel free to tell me to wait till the new version is out to get it.
I highly recommend the samsung galaxy s2 (skyrocket, lte....etc.....doesnt matter). I have a galaxy note which is pretty much the same as a skyrocket but bigger and the battery life is really good, performance is good, and screen quality is good. Even the galaxy nexus is really good since it is vanilla android which helps on battery life as well as OTA updates or you can download updates and install them yourself.
I have had an HTC evo 3d before and would not buy again due to battery life. I also gave my wife my galaxy nexus which even she likes. My galaxy note runs well stock or rooted and rom'd. get other opinions too but this phone might be the only phone i keep for a while.
Another thought is to wait for the galaxy s3 to come out early summer. it might just be better.
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Hey guys. Just saw this article stating that the G3 has less battery life with lollipop: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/3...alaxy-s5-htc-one-m8-nexus-5-lg-g3-results.htm
Are you guys running LP seeing a drop in battery like the article??
Im not on stock but I am on Lollipop and the battery life for me has been about the same. I feel like Google really dropped the ball with Lollipop as far as battery life is concerned... like they were talking up project volta and how it was supposed to make battery life 36% better on lollipop for certain devices. Yet most devices seem to be struggling to keep the battery life they had before the lollipop update. I know there is a lot of factors and development isn't necessarily going to be perfect with such a new release but still...
I get at least the same if not better battery use, for me typically 80+ hours before charging, my record, 124 hours.
roirraW "edor" ehT said:
I get at least the same if not better battery use, for me typically 80+ hours before charging, my record, 124 hours.
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good god man. how are you getting 80 hrs? is it on standby the entire time??
I dont much difference until i tryed to talk on the phone browse facebook or the internet at the same time im stock lollipop
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Im not on stock but I am on Lollipop and the battery life for me has been about the same. I feel like Google really dropped the ball with Lollipop as far as battery life is concerned... like they were talking up project volta and how it was supposed to make battery life 36% better on lollipop for certain devices. Yet most devices seem to be struggling to keep the battery life they had before the lollipop update. I know there is a lot of factors and development isn't necessarily going to be perfect with such a new release but still...
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One thing everyone must remember. Not all apps have been upgraded to utilize any new programming APIs, etc based on Lollipop. Lollipop under the hood is a different environment. No longer is Dalvik around. It's now ART. Some apps still do things that are only available under Dalvik, hence they do not work under LP.
Also, APIs go out of date, also known as deprecated, as OS'es mature. Apps that continue to use old, out-dated API calls, or were improperly programmed from the beginning but could get away with it in older versions of the Android OS, are now showing their issues. This can result in either the app not working at all, or the app could drain the battery.
Android apps are a different beast from your normal PC Windows application/program. They should not run in the background if minimized/when a user switches out. They usually go into a suspended mode so that they are not consuming resources. Out of the box, when an app is written, all of that handling is set up automatically. However, it can be circumvented due to someone not understanding the Android app life-cycle, or they know it and don't care, and just do poor programming. Either way can result in an app that misbehaves and drains the battery, as well as consuming resources (memory, CPU, etc). That also leads to battery drain.
So, I think part of this is Google, but I also believe that most of it is due to apps that are not optimized for Lollipop. I would like to see, or know, if these tests were run on straight stock with NO user downloaded apps. That would give us a clearer picture as to whether or not LP truly does gain better battery life for certain devices (I read that as newer devices).
No battery life difference for me.
Only difference I've noticed would be the stock LP gives better battery life than AOSP
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One thing everyone must remember. Not all apps have been upgraded to utilize any new programming APIs, etc based on Lollipop. Lollipop under the hood is a different environment. No longer is Dalvik around. It's now ART. Some apps still do things that are only available under Dalvik, hence they do not work under LP.
Also, APIs go out of date, also known as deprecated, as OS'es mature. Apps that continue to use old, out-dated API calls, or were improperly programmed from the beginning but could get away with it in older versions of the Android OS, are now showing their issues. This can result in either the app not working at all, or the app could drain the battery..
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Yeah I keep forgetting about the out of date API's but I practically use only Google Apps, I pretty much have everything I need on Google's platform. I only have a handful of apps that aren't google but I rarely use them. Still haven't noticed a change in battery. Not that the battery is bad per say my battery is actually pretty good especially compared to my S3 back in the day. Ive just been seeing other people complain in different forums. But you're right they are probably not using fully optimized apps for lollipop if they are having battery issues.
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good god man. how are you getting 80 hrs? is it on standby the entire time??
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My wife and I aren't that popular, so we don't talk on the phone much. She does use hers a LOT for games. When we got our G3s, I picked up a Verizon LG G Tab 8.3 VK810.4G as well, so now I spare my phone battery a lot for music in the car, GPS, some gaming and quite a bit of TapaTalk or other web browsing. About the only time I do any of those on my phone is when I'm at work killing time sitting on the toilet, or waiting for my lunch to heat up in the microwave.
gosh one of the main reason i was going to upgrade to LP and reading this it doesn't seem worthwhile anymore. are there any reasons to upgrade to LP other than maybe material design? it seems sort to just be a ui makeover now...
corz123 said:
gosh one of the main reason i was going to upgrade to LP and reading this it doesn't seem worthwhile anymore. are there any reasons to upgrade to LP other than maybe material design? it seems sort to just be a ui makeover now...
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ART instead of Dalvik. It's much smoother now.
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Another thing to do is give it a few days after upgrading. At first, you might see poorer battery life but give it a few days and it might stabilize after that and you might see better battery life.
Also, once you've done this, start monitoring the battery section to see which apps are consuming the most battery life. This should give you an idea as to what is going on. That can help you pin point better misbehaving apps.
Also, I use the Snap Dragon Battery Guru app. That can also help pinpoint apps that might not be behaving correctly, plus it can do some managing of things to help preserve battery life. Not sure how much it helps, but it hasn't hurt, so I continue to use it.
Just some helpful hints that I've observed with this phone. I used to use Greenify, but I have found that I can get just about the same battery life without it as I did with it (at least on this phone), so I've since removed it. But, it's still an option to look at it, and it doesn't require root any more, which is nice for those that don't wish to root. And it has helped me in the past with other phones. I just haven't found that it helps that much with this phone.
iBolski said:
Also, I use the Snap Dragon Battery Guru app. That can also help pinpoint apps that might not be behaving correctly, plus it can do some managing of things to help preserve battery life. Not sure how much it helps, but it hasn't hurt, so I continue to use it.
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Note that stock LG Lollipop builds 23A & 23B result in the SnapDragon Battery Guru app claiming it's incompatible when you go to it's Play Store page, although I haven't tried sideloading/restoring it from Titanium Backup.
roirraW "edor" ehT said:
Note that stock LG Lollipop builds 23A & 23B result in the SnapDragon Battery Guru app claiming it's incompatible when you go to it's Play Store page, although I haven't tried sideloading/restoring it from Titanium Backup.
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Ahh. Since I haven't upgrade to LP (still on stock and happy as a clam), this is good to know.
Battery life does not change whatsoever. The display is always the culprit. Can get 5hrs of screen time sometimes 6 per stock battery.
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jfriend33 said:
Battery life does not change whatsoever. The display is always the culprit. Can get 5hrs of screen time sometimes 6 per stock battery.
Sent from my LG-VS985 adorned w/ Illusion ROM
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Which is why I believe, as I stated earlier, this points to misbehaving apps that are not "tuned" correctly for LP. It's always better to just wipe clean (FDR) and then start restoring apps one by one to see what might be causing it. But also, give it a few days to settle down too.
I'm still waiting for the "official" release and then, will wait to see if either root can carry forward or else, the latest root still works on the official release.
T-Mobile users can now upgrade via the software tool on their Windows machines (not available as an OTA yet for them). Seeing how the G2 is getting it already, I have to imagine the G3 is not far behind. I'd much rather they just give us 5.1 to fix the memory leak.
I have noticed much better battery life on 23B Lollipop. I'm not rooted or anything, but for example I can listen to Audible for my daily drive into work that takes me 1.5 hours and the battery will only drop to 99%. I got 23B following another thread here, but my wife got a replacement G3 and it offered the update to 23b before the SIM card or SD card had been put in the phone. My son has a G2 that got the official Lollipop and it actually required two updates to get there. 1 just installed some system prereqs.
I'm in stock 23c and battery life is the same as it was under kk which for me is a good thing as I got excellent battery life under 12b. I'm not rooted because I want to wait and see if/when another ota comes out to fix the Wi-Fi sync issue.
I just finally updated to 23c. Seems wifi works fine for me thus far. I'll see how battery life is tomorrow after a full charge /discharge. Everything seems pretty snappy so far. I didn't even do a factory reset. Hopefully I won't have too.
I thought it might be helpful to have a thread devoted to this. Maybe people can post their battery stats, talk about how their battery life has been since root (anecdotally), etc. I know it's a big deal for many people considering root so it would possibly alleviate concerns if people discuss their experiences here.
I noticed that I burned through the battery quicker being rooted. I decided not to disable anything on the device in terms of bloat or apps that I don't use. I installed the same apps that I had on it before I rooted it but didn't do a backup restore to avoid any sort of conflicts. Used it for about a week rooted dodging work device compromise flags. I just wanted to see how much of an impact the 80% battery cap thing would have been. Although I am thankful for root, I realized that for me it is not needed at this present time and the battery hit isn't worth it.
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I noticed that I burned through the battery quicker being rooted. I decided not to disable anything on the device in terms of bloat or apps that I don't use. I installed the same apps that I had on it before I rooted it but didn't do a backup restore to avoid any sort of conflicts. Used it for about a week rooted dodging work device compromise flags. I just wanted to see how much of an impact the 80% battery cap thing would have been. Although I am thankful for root, I realized that for me it is not needed at this present time and the battery hit isn't worth it.
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I wonder if disabling and tweaking things via root capabilities could compensate for at least some of the loss. Some people have said they didn't notice any difference with the 80% cap and I'm wondering how.
So basically the title says all. I'm planning to use this device a little bit longer, and the only problem with it is the battery life - but I love everything else, like the display, the sound, the design. I was a wonder to root before few months but feels like at this point, at least with Samsung you losing more than you will gain with root. Like Samsung Pass, Samsung Health and Security folder. I know there is a way to recreate them but not sure is worth it all the work. Although, I tihnk is worth it to sacrifice those (but I really will miss Samsung pass), to have a better battery life.
So my question is, if I root my device, put some custom rom + some app like Greenify, will be I able to have a better battery life than now? At the moment I make around 3h of sot, which maybe is normal for device +1 year old. But I can't trust it when I'm going out. Always need to carry a power bank with me, just in case...
Leon said:
So basically the title says all. I'm planning to use this device a little bit longer, and the only problem with it is the battery life - but I love everything else, like the display, the sound, the design. I was a wonder to root before few months but feels like at this point, at least with Samsung you losing more than you will gain with root. Like Samsung Pass, Samsung Health and Security folder. I know there is a way to recreate them but not sure is worth it all the work. Although, I tihnk is worth it to sacrifice those (but I really will miss Samsung pass), to have a better battery life.
So my question is, if I root my device, put some custom rom + some app like Greenify, will be I able to have a better battery life than now? At the moment I make around 3h of sot, which maybe is normal for device +1 year old. But I can't trust it when I'm going out. Always need to carry a power bank with me, just in case...
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yes, installing a custom ROM will likely increase your battery life so as that the kernel that the ROM youve chosen is optimized for efficiency. If the ROM you choose is overclocked beast-mode gaming champion settings enabled, then no. Some ROMs are also very stripped down eliminating seldom used apks thereby increasing batt life as well. What model do you have? if its the g965u, you aint rootin it fwiw
Thanks for the response!
Yes, I understand boosting or using some modes for performance can lead to worst battery life. My device is G965F. As for now, I'm planning to wait for the final version of Android 10. Then I guess would wait for developers to update their ROMs and chose the lite one?
Leon said:
Thanks for the response!
Yes, I understand boosting or using some modes for performance can lead to worst battery life. My device is G965F. As for now, I'm planning to wait for the final version of Android 10. Then I guess would wait for developers to update their ROMs and chose the lite one?
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Youre most welcome!
If you do that, you might be waiting for a while as Samsung has been recently pushing to make root more and more difficult. If youre dead set on rooting, id do it now and avoid the pitfalls of being on a bootloader version that you cant go back to your old one from and waiting for the devs to figure out the new source code etc etc.