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Hello there,
After much inquiry, I've become undecided about this phone. I have been looking for a 4.7-5in phone with a good and snappy camera, battery, USA bands, and micro sd support, and the z5 compact seems to fit the bill. However, I keep reading problems about this device mainly concerning its software and camera. I really like the device given all it has to offer but I'm just not inclined to dish out $500+ on a device that has a problematic camera i.e. blurred edges caused by software or hardware, no warranty (here in the USA), over-heating, sony ui, etc. I currently have an LG G4 which absolutely meets my needs but like I said, I'm looking for a smaller phone for traveling and one hand handling.
So my question for those who own the Z5c, is it really THAT bad and will the firmware update fix the purported problems of this device? I'm concerned about the blurry edges being a hardware issue and perhaps Sony is just covering their tracks by saying that an "update" will fix that problem. If you have updated your device, could you post a sample of the fixed camera or at least let us know here?
Really appreciate your time and input!
Coming from the z1 compact and z3 compact, although I loved those phones I did find the camera sub par, and the external speaker volume too low and muffled, the front and back screens were finger print magnets and easily scratched.
But I love the compact series and put my hope and money back into the z5-compact.
Had mine for 2 weeks now (Arctic white) and I love the new design, the no finger print frosted rear glass and the front screen also just doesn't seem to attract finger prints either!, improved and much louder external speakers, the camera has improved dramatically. I have none of the reported issues of blurred edges, slow camera opening etc it's all good. Oh and the fingerprint scanner is awesome!
I love this phone to death it's perfect in my eyes. It will be hard to part with this when it comes time to upgrade to the z6 compact ☺
Woza72 said:
Coming from the z1 compact and z3 compact, although I loved those phones I did find the camera sub par, and the external speaker volume too low and muffled, the front and back screens were finger print magnets and easily scratched.
But I love the compact series and put my hope and money back into the z5-compact.
Had mine for 2 weeks now (Arctic white) and I love the new design, the no finger print frosted rear glass and the front screen also just doesn't seem to attract finger prints either!, improved and much louder external speakers, the camera has improved dramatically. I have none of the reported issues of blurred edges, slow camera opening etc it's all good. Oh and the fingerprint scanner is awesome!
I love this phone to death it's perfect in my eyes. It will be hard to part with this when it comes time to upgrade to the z6 compact ☺
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Does the software seem good and fast? No stutters or lag?
Thanks
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Notchr302 said:
Does the software seem good and fast? No stutters or lag?
Thanks
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There were stutters and lags, but since the last update they all are gone.
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There were stutters and lags, but since the last update they all are gone.
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I'm so confused because some say there is still lag after the update. Ugh lol
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I am one of those who would say that the lags are gone after the update. And whatever that guy said, I agree wholeheartedly. This phone is a beast. I also come from a Z3 Compact and I am loving the Z5c. Especially the camera
It was a little stuttery straight out of the box but I downloaded Sony PC companion (just googled it) and then downloaded the latest firmware 32.0.A.6.152 (it took a couple of hours, which by all reports is normal) then updated my phone.
Happy to report it is buttery smooth with no stutters or lags all super fast.
Interesting to see that the pre installed photo analyzer app (Sony) which was reportedly causing some lag, had disappeared in the latest firmware.
I hope this has helped you with your decision.
Cheers
Do you still have the blurry edges or has it been fixed?
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Do you still have the blurry edges or has it been fixed?
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99% sure it's good. You be the judge. Just a quick picture, tried to place items on every edge/corner.
I'm sitting at the park, it's dusk and a little cloudy. No flash, superior auto, 8mp.
I've had the Z5C for a week now and I can't comment too much on certain details because this is my very first Android phone - I am coming straight from a Nokia 808. The phone is compact, slick-looking, seems incredibly fast to me and I am liking the Android experience as a whole, although a few things Symbian had were simpler and more elegant (changing phone profiles, searching for contacts under phone, for instance).
The one issue I have, and that is a big one and it is so big of an issue that I registered today on XDA to ask for help, is the extremely poor photo/camera quality. I cannot understand what is going on here. This is a $600 2015 brand new release phone. Something must be wrong either with the software or hardware on my phone, which sucks since I purchased it for US operation (no warranty). I do not know how to express in words how disappointed I am with the camera. Let's just say that my 2012 Nokia 808 takes photos comparable to my SLR system. I was expecting at least equivalent photo quality from a modern/newer phone.
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I've had the Z5C for a week now and I can't comment too much on certain details because this is my very first Android phone - I am coming straight from a Nokia 808. The phone is compact, slick-looking, seems incredibly fast to me and I am liking the Android experience as a whole, although a few things Symbian had were simpler and more elegant (changing phone profiles, searching for contacts under phone, for instance).
The one issue I have, and that is a big one and it is so big of an issue that I registered today on XDA to ask for help, is the extremely poor photo/camera quality. I cannot understand what is going on here. This is a $600 2015 brand new release phone. Something must be wrong either with the software or hardware on my phone, which sucks since I purchased it for US operation (no warranty). I do not know how to express in words how disappointed I am with the camera. Let's just say that my 2012 Nokia 808 takes photos comparable to my SLR system. I was expecting at least equivalent photo quality from a modern/newer phone.
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What are your thoughts on the quick photo I posted? All standard settings in quite average light? Do you see any of the issues you are experiencing on your phone?
Woza72 said:
What are your thoughts on the quick photo I posted? All standard settings in quite average light? Do you see any of the issues you are experiencing on your phone?
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For the resolution posted, I dont see any issues. What I see on my photos is some sort of sharpening which causes details to be lost when zooming in. And believe me, I am not even remotely pixel-peeking, just basic cropping for creative purposes.
I'll try to post some sample photos to illustrate what I am facing here.
Cheers,
BB
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The one issue I have, and that is a big one and it is so big of an issue that I registered today on XDA to ask for help, is the extremely poor photo/camera quality. I cannot understand what is going on here. This is a $600 2015 brand new release phone. Something must be wrong either with the software or hardware on my phone, which sucks since I purchased it for US operation (no warranty). I do not know how to express in words how disappointed I am with the camera. Let's just say that my 2012 Nokia 808 takes photos comparable to my SLR system. I was expecting at least equivalent photo quality from a modern/newer phone.
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If you haven't already, you might want to check the main Xperia Z5 subforum about this issue, specifically this thread where they talk about the camera, and the best settings for particular lighting. It could be you have a defective camera though, and if so, I feel for ya since I also imported my device.
Adrift98 said:
If you haven't already, you might want to check the main Xperia Z5 subforum about this issue, specifically this thread where they talk about the camera, and the best settings for particular lighting. It could be you have a defective camera though, and if so, I feel for ya since I also imported my device.
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Exactly how my photos look like! Thanks for linking me to this thread, even though what I learned from it is not exactly great news!
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Exactly how my photos look like! Thanks for linking me to this thread, even though what I learned from it is not exactly great news!
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Same problem for me. It's a very expansive phone and you have to read pages of forums to understand how to make the most of it.
But still, the camera to me is a complete disaster. The app is cheap, very laggy, menus are terrible and the most improtant part, it takes poor photos.
Oversharpened and zooming in a tiny bit on a 23Mp pictures is just horrible.
The photo shared a few post back in the park is just awful too, sorry bro no offense, but it's not a defective camera it's just what is sold.
When you come from other brands, you are automatically disapointed.
P.S. videos are quite amazing though, especially in 60fps and the management of the edit app of videos is very good too.
I just switched to the nexus 5X, and there are no comparaison. Much much simpler, you don't need to test every little setting to take a good pic and zooming in is incredible, the best.
Yet I really loved the compact shape and overall build quality of the z5 device.
Comments non related to the camera is : the system is quite good as it is very similar to stock android but a little disappointed too by the performance.
I don't speak about lags and everything as it is quite fluid, but it just takes time to open or reload apps compared to my other devices.
I am still keeping the device to see if there will be improvement (there should be a major camera app update this month) but i don't believe in miracles, i don't think that will solve the pictures quality.
If you know how to use it (8mp at SA for darker scenarios, 23mp manual for bright daylight) it's been reviewed in a number of places as the best camera currently on the market. It's interesting to me how polarizing the camera is for people though. People either think it's the second coming, or the antichrist. I imagine that the improvements to the software promised with the Marshmallow update will go a long way to getting a lot of naysayers to give it a second look.
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If you know how to use it (8mp at SA for darker scenarios, 23mp manual for bright daylight) it's been reviewed in a number of places as the best camera currently on the market.
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That is a very interesting perspective on the topic; so basically it boils down to misuse by users! And I suspect this is from someone that has never even tried the phone!
Let me propose the exact opposite, and I suspect a portion (if not majority) of people complaining about the imaging performance on these Z5 phones are actually far from amateur photographers and do understand what is achievable and should be expected in terms o quality. There is no way to slice this or put a twist on it, and I don't care about DXO ratings.
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That is a very interesting perspective on the topic; so basically it boils down to misuse by users! And I suspect this is from someone that has never even tried the phone!
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No, it's certainly been by those who've tried the phone. By the looks of it you didn't get too far into that thread I previously recommended, but Timaustin2000 and a few others in that thread really turned the tone around with their investigations on the ability of the camera, and comparison shots. They've even had an influential effect on reviewers. So for instance, it wasn't till TimAustin pointed out to the reviewers at Android Authority that they were crippling the phone by using the 23mp in low light scenarios that they took into consideration the supersampling of the 8mp default settings. From there a number of other reviewers, bloggers, vloggers, and the like took a second look at the camera in the phone and tested appropriately with often very very positive results (many of these reviews and videos are also mentioned in that thread).
Let me propose the exact opposite, and I suspect a portion (if not majority) of people complaining about the imaging performance on these Z5 phones are actually far from amateur photographers and do understand what is achievable and should be expected in terms o quality. There is no way to slice this or put a twist on it, and I don't care about DXO ratings.
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From the recent reviews that I've been reading and watching, that doesn't appear to be the case, but of course, you're free to come to your own conclusions.
Haven't had much experience with the Z5C camera yet, only had it for a week.
But one thing, it takes so long to open. This is my 1St Android phone, been an ios user for around 4.5 years & the iPhones were just easier to access their camera. Slide up, click camera & it opened. On the Z5C, you press & hold the camera button, feel it vibrate, let it go... & wait.
After a second or so, the screen goes black, then the camera opens, then the screen starts to set itself up.
Just tried then & it was around 4 seconds.
I love the phone so far, but it seems to really struggle with normal usage.
By normal usage, for me, I mean it lags. Playing YouTube videos, it lags, I'm in Oz & we have an online streaming movie/TV service called Stan.... It doesn't work on the Z5.
Switching between tasks can give the phone a heart attack. For example, I was playing Clash Of Clans & some one tried to call me, the box popped down, I clicked answer & nothing happened.
I clicked answer two or three more times, before clicking back to the home screen, the phone call went to message bank while my phone locked up, went black & I had to wait around 30 seconds for it to sort itself out.
Even typing this it lags every now & then.
8 Ball Pool is laggy... If messages pop while playing, it gets even worse.
I do love the phone, I am enjoying Android (I miss a few ios advantages), but I just wish that the phone didn't feel like it was made with enough Ram to run the OS & one app at a time.
Oh... The audio is quiet, it doesn't go as loud as my iPhone 4 did, with my Bose head set & it lacks the same bass, but does sound alright.
The included Sony ear plugs are uncomfortable, have no sound advantages, have annoying different length ear cords & no volume control.
No supplied quick charger.
The back of the phone tends to get quite hot.
Sid3wayz said:
Haven't had much experience with the Z5C camera yet, only had it for a week.
But one thing, it takes so long to open. This is my 1St Android phone, been an ios user for around 4.5 years & the iPhones were just easier to access their camera. Slide up, click camera & it opened. On the Z5C, you press & hold the camera button, feel it vibrate, let it go... & wait.
After a second or so, the screen goes black, then the camera opens, then the screen starts to set itself up.
Just tried then & it was around 4 seconds.
I love the phone so far, but it seems to really struggle with normal usage.
By normal usage, for me, I mean it lags. Playing YouTube videos, it lags, I'm in Oz & we have an online streaming movie/TV service called Stan.... It doesn't work on the Z5.
Switching between tasks can give the phone a heart attack. For example, I was playing Clash Of Clans & some one tried to call me, the box popped down, I clicked answer & nothing happened.
I clicked answer two or three more times, before clicking back to the home screen, the phone call went to message bank while my phone locked up, went black & I had to wait around 30 seconds for it to sort itself out.
Even typing this it lags every now & then.
8 Ball Pool is laggy... If messages pop while playing, it gets even worse.
I do love the phone, I am enjoying Android (I miss a few ios advantages), but I just wish that the phone didn't feel like it was made with enough Ram to run the OS & one app at a time.
Oh... The audio is quiet, it doesn't go as loud as my iPhone 4 did, with my Bose head set & it lacks the same bass, but does sound alright.
The included Sony ear plugs are uncomfortable, have no sound advantages, have annoying different length ear cords & no volume control.
No supplied quick charger.
The back of the phone tends to get quite hot.
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Previous iPhone only user here too. Have you updated to the latest firmware? My camera takes about 2 seconds to come up pressing the side button since the update. Further improvements are expected with the Marshmallow update.
Also, I have no lag since the latest firmware, but I'm also using the Nova Launcher which you can get for free in the Play Store (not sure if that makes any difference or not).
I also have a problem with the volume, especially from the front speakers. Thought having two speakers instead of one, as I did on my iPhone 2G, 3G, 4S. and 6S would make it louder, but it's not. Still, honestly, I don't find it much quieter than those devices either. the 6S was maybe a tick louder, but not by much. I still want more punch from the front speakers, and I'm hoping that's something I can fix by doing some sort of ROM tweak. If not, I suppose I can live with it, but its the biggest disappointment about the device for me, not because its so much quieter than my iPhone devices, but because it doesn't stand head and shoulders above them.
I don't know about you, but my Sony ear plugs are way way wayyyyy more comfortable than my iPhone headphones. In fact, they're the most comfortable in-ear headphones I've ever worn. The different length on the cords I don't really have much issue with, since I usually drape the longest cord behind my head to my right ear (which is how I'm assuming they're meant to be worn). I will admit that they seem slightly cheap-ish, and I was hoping that where the volume button was (which I DO have on my pair) also had a mic so I could answer in-coming calls, but overall, I think they're pretty okay. Again, they're much more comfortable than the headphones that came with my iPhones. As far as loudness in the headphones is concerned, they're loud enough, but I definitely wouldn't mind if they were louder. I'll probably end up getting some sort of thin amp/dac like the dragonfly or the Aqua to boost the volume. Shame I have to do that, but oh well.
Again, its interesting to me how varied people's reactions are to this device. I'm FAR more happier with this device than I am my previous iPhones. Its not perfect, but it hits so many of the checkboxes for me that its hard to complain.
Edit: Oh, also, I got a quick charger with my device, but I bought the Taiwan version, so maybe that accounts for the difference in headphones and charger.
Lastly, after the initial setup, and especially after the update, my phone doesn't get very hot. Maybe I'm not using the same intensive programs that you are, though. The phone gets a little warm with Candy Crush and Asphalt 8, but my iPhone 6S also got pretty hot just using the camera (which is something my mother noticed when I handed her the phone to see some pictures).
Hello dear community. I have an OPO but recently it stopped recognising the SIM card, and then in my efforts to fix it i cut the volume rockers cable, so now i am looking for a replacement. LG V10 seems a very good option to consider, mostly cause right now you can find it ~240€ in Ebay + it has all those little plusses like the second screen, a fairly good camera, ets etc. The thing is that i like to put custom roms, but i see here in XDA, that LG V10 doesn't have much active developer community. Fortunately its still possible to root, but then i won't be able to get Android 8 when it comes out. What do you think about it? besides that, whats your opinion as LG v10 users? Is it a good solid device that worths investing? I am not purchasing devices very ofter. Usually once every three years or when the device stops working from hardware problem, so i want it to last quite a while.
Also i've noticed that LG v10 usually comes with Nt&t or other carrier in the label. Is it possible to unlock it to other carriers via rooting? I never had such problems in the past cause in my country the smartphones usually come unlocked and carriers don't bother locking them.
thanks in advance
LG v10
TheoKondak said:
Hello dear community. I have an OPO but recently it stopped recognising the SIM card, and then in my efforts to fix it i cut the volume rockers cable, so now i am looking for a replacement. LG V10 seems a very good option to consider, mostly cause right now you can find it ~240€ in Ebay + it has all those little plusses like the second screen, a fairly good camera, ets etc. The thing is that i like to put custom roms, but i see here in XDA, that LG V10 doesn't have much active developer community. Fortunately its still possible to root, but then i won't be able to get Android 8 when it comes out. What do you think about it? besides that, whats your opinion as LG v10 users? Is it a good solid device that worths investing? I am not purchasing devices very ofter. Usually once every three years or when the device stops working from hardware problem, so i want it to last quite a while.
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I can tell you about my experience and you decide . I wanted this phone since it came out but it was expensive . I waited a year and I decided to buy it . The reason there is not much of development is ( probably ) because there is no need for development .
The phone is great as is . UI is not that pretty but it's functional . Battery is pretty solid , w-ifi also , screen is great .... indoors . Once you go out on sunny day you can't see nothing regardless of brightness . So I bought Green onion supply matte screen protector ,
that helps with glare . Speaker is on bottom of the phone and it sounds pretty good , but I use bluetooth headset all the time . GPS is FAST and accurate . When I turn it on outside within SECONDS it knows where I am and signal is solid . ( I don't have network data . Just GPS sat . ) Volume rocker and power in the back is ( in my opinion ) great option , usually when you put your phone in windshield holder it cant push your power button or volume ( like on my previous phone ) . Camera . ( The selling point ) Usually cameras have 4:3 sensor , and if you select 16:9 it will zoom in little bit and lower resolution . Not this phone . You can select 4:3 but on this phone it just crops screen on left and right . When you select 16 :9 it just widens the screen . Pictures come very big 9MB and RAW is about 20+ MB . It has optic stabilization and EIS ( Electronic Image Stabilization ) I don't like eis . Video comes out choppy and mechanical looking . And OIS does not work on 4k VIdeo or 60fps . Regular 1080P will run at 24mbs and 4k runs at 64 mbs . Handheld auto night shots will show some noise on pictures if you recording outside open fields or park with less illumination . Well lit downtown and objects close enough for flash come out great . If you have tripod and taking stationery pictures with very little light you can lower iso to 50 and shutter speed to 5 10 or up to 30 seconds . Since I have this phone I am not taking my point and shoot sony anywhere on any vacations , and I bought few clip-on filters ( 10-stop filter , hd anti-haze filter
and few others , tripod with cellphone adapter and bluetooth remote shutter ) . Photos can be also taken with voice command . Selfie camera has little wider angle so You can take more in but it has very little Fish-eye effect if you use wide option . Works great on video chat skype etc . The phone has very premium feel and its heavy . ( especially heavy for vr ) Your nose will suffer if you put it in vr . Yesterday I was in tmoble store and I was playing with v20 and G6 . G 6 is small and Dual camera does not take pictures at same time second camera has smaller aperture 2.4 and wider screen with fish eye effect and ton's of lag . v20 is bigger and has 4:3 camera sensor . If you want 16:9 you have to lower resolution to 9mp . Also laggy .I am not impressed with newer phone models . I bought H960A model , It's the one that can have unlocked bootloader for easy rooting . Have I missed anything ?
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I can tell you about my experience and you decide . I wanted this phone since it came out but it was expensive . I waited a year and I decided to buy it . The reason there is not much of development is ( probably ) because there is no need for development .
The phone is great as is . UI is not that pretty but it's functional . Battery is pretty solid , w-ifi also , screen is great .... indoors . Once you go out on sunny day you can't see nothing regardless of brightness . So I bought Green onion supply matte screen protector ,
that helps with glare . Speaker is on bottom of the phone and it sounds pretty good , but I use bluetooth headset all the time . GPS is FAST and accurate . When I turn it on outside within SECONDS it knows where I am and signal is solid . ( I don't have network data . Just GPS sat . ) Volume rocker and power in the back is ( in my opinion ) great option , usually when you put your phone in windshield holder it cant push your power button or volume ( like on my previous phone ) . Camera . ( The selling point ) Usually cameras have 4:3 sensor , and if you select 16:9 it will zoom in little bit and lower resolution . Not this phone . You can select 4:3 but on this phone it just crops screen on left and right . When you select 16 :9 it just widens the screen . Pictures come very big 9MB and RAW is about 20+ MB . It has optic stabilization and EIS ( Electronic Image Stabilization ) I don't like eis . Video comes out choppy and mechanical looking . And OIS does not work on 4k VIdeo or 60fps . Regular 1080P will run at 24mbs and 4k runs at 64 mbs . Handheld auto night shots will show some noise on pictures if you recording outside open fields or park with less illumination . Well lit downtown and objects close enough for flash come out great . If you have tripod and taking stationery pictures with very little light you can lower iso to 50 and shutter speed to 5 10 or up to 30 seconds . Since I have this phone I am not taking my point and shoot sony anywhere on any vacations , and I bought few clip-on filters ( 10-stop filter , hd anti-haze filter
and few others , tripod with cellphone adapter and bluetooth remote shutter ) . Photos can be also taken with voice command . Selfie camera has little wider angle so You can take more in but it has very little Fish-eye effect if you use wide option . Works great on video chat skype etc . The phone has very premium feel and its heavy . ( especially heavy for vr ) Your nose will suffer if you put it in vr . Yesterday I was in tmoble store and I was playing with v20 and G6 . G 6 is small and Dual camera does not take pictures at same time second camera has smaller aperture 2.4 and wider screen with fish eye effect and ton's of lag . v20 is bigger and has 4:3 camera sensor . If you want 16:9 you have to lower resolution to 9mp . Also laggy .I am not impressed with newer phone models . I bought H960A model , It's the one that can have unlocked bootloader for easy rooting . Have I missed anything ?
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Thanks for your reply! I m quite interested in the camera and the sound recording capabilities since i am a photographer myself, and usually i find it fair enough to use a smartphone instead of my heavy bulky DSLR. Same goes for video recording. I m even thinking i can use V10 as an additional camera on interviews etc. Its good to know that it has a 16:9 sensor! I love wide sensors!
About screen brightness, eh i think i m used to it. Maybe i will get the screen protector you've suggested.
I can't seem to find H960A version, but unlocking the bootloader should be ok. I've done it so many times in the past. The thing is if i can use other versions of the phone with my current carrier. I will have to investigate that since as i said in the first post i never had this problem in the past and i could use some reading on the subject.
Also, i've heard that if you are stuck with and NT&T carrier you wont be able to update software too much, whats about that? I believe you can find the LGs software and manualy flash it, is there such a possibility?
TheoKondak said:
Hello dear community. I have an OPO but recently it stopped recognising the SIM card, and then in my efforts to fix it i cut the volume rockers cable, so now i am looking for a replacement. LG V10 seems a very good option to consider, mostly cause right now you can find it ~240€ in Ebay + it has all those little plusses like the second screen, a fairly good camera, ets etc. The thing is that i like to put custom roms, but i see here in XDA, that LG V10 doesn't have much active developer community. Fortunately its still possible to root, but then i won't be able to get Android 8 when it comes out. What do you think about it? besides that, whats your opinion as LG v10 users? Is it a good solid device that worths investing? I am not purchasing devices very ofter. Usually once every three years or when the device stops working from hardware problem, so i want it to last quite a while.
Also i've noticed that LG v10 usually comes with Nt&t or other carrier in the label. Is it possible to unlock it to other carriers via rooting? I never had such problems in the past cause in my country the smartphones usually come unlocked and carriers don't bother locking them.
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Hi, I purchased my LG V10 H960A last year and 3 days ago it went into bootloop of death. LG wont confirm that G4 and V10 have heating issuses causing damage on some components on motherboard or unwelding CPU chip. After bootloop appears, there is no fix, only motherboard change will help, which is ridiculous since this is a expensive phone. V10 is a very good phone but with this flaw it becomes unusable and it is only matter of time when you'll face bootloop. My personal advice to you is to consider some other mobile manufacturers since LG didn't showed any interest in customer satisfaction relating to G4 and V10 models. Also they didn't released Nougat for these models yet. Happy purchasing.
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Hi, I purchased my LG V10 H960A last year and 3 days ago it went into bootloop of death. LG wont confirm that G4 and V10 have heating issuses causing damage on some components on motherboard or unwelding CPU chip. After bootloop appears, there is no fix, only motherboard change will help, which is ridiculous since this is a expensive phone. V10 is a very good phone but with this flaw it becomes unusable and it is only matter of time when you'll face bootloop. My personal advice to you is to consider some other mobile manufacturers since LG didn't showed any interest in customer satisfaction relating to G4 and V10 models. Also they didn't released Nougat for these models yet. Happy purchasing.
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Hm, i don't know about V10 bootloop issue, but are you sure its not a software issue? All the times i faced bootloop it was all about software.
TheoKondak said:
Hm, i don't know about V10 bootloop issue, but are you sure its not a software issue? All the times i faced bootloop it was all about software.
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It is a hardware problem, you can google it and you'll find many V10 users complaining about non fixable bootloop. In my case, I cannot even enter into recovery mode to do factory reset. Problem with these phones is heat generated by processor which eventually will damage some components on motherboard or processor itself will detach from motherboard and cause the bootloop. Only solution is motherboard change and that's not cheap thing to do. This is a big problem since when it happens your phone is unusable, simply dead.
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I see. I founda fix that requires to open the smartphone and add some paste but i don't want to do it soon. I will just take care of it so it keeps cool. Maybe by underclocking some of the cores helps?
I use it as my primary camera . I never wanted bulky dslr . Just point and shoot , but what I have does not comes close to lg v10 . Do your homework about bootloader . If i remember correctly H960 is one ( or one of two ) models that supports bootloader unlock . About video recordings . I recorded waterfall 2 times and first HALF A SECOND comes out really loud and then stabilizes , and you HAVE to experiment with directional microphones . I usually just leave them in the middle . One time I wanted to record water stream and I changed Microphone to front and recording went horribly wrong . It sounded like echo from hell . ( I don't know how else to describe it ) . Here is few Photos
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i ahve xperia z5 and i was offered v10 for exchange, any thought on that?
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I use it as my primary camera . I never wanted bulky dslr . Just point and shoot , but what I have does not comes close to lg v10 . Do your homework about bootloader . If i remember correctly H960 is one ( or one of two ) models that supports bootloader unlock . About video recordings . I recorded waterfall 2 times and first HALF A SECOND comes out really loud and then stabilizes , and you HAVE to experiment with directional microphones . I usually just leave them in the middle . One time I wanted to record water stream and I changed Microphone to front and recording went horribly wrong . It sounded like echo from hell . ( I don't know how else to describe it ) . Here is few Photos
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Thanks for your reply. I ordered the GSM Unlocked version of the phone, which hopefully is bootloader unlockable. The images look great for a smartphone indeed. For sure i will have to experiment with the settings, mostly the microphone settings. Maybe its possible to hear the sound quality via the headphones realtime? That would be a good feature.
@klemen241
I've heard very good opinions about xperia Z5, myself i find it a bit bulky due to the design. Sony phones have bad angles which makes the phone look biger than it is. V10 on the other hands, is quite slim, even though its a very big phone, on my hands felt ok. The only negatives i have in mind about V10 is that the CPU seems quite problematic with the overheating issue, and also i think its not very fast. The 6 cores might help with the battery life, but Z5 has 8 cores, which naturaly would have better performance, but in the end who cares, since phone is smooth, i don't really care about computational power and benchmarks. So i suggest you have a look at the gimmics of v10 and see for yourself.
V10 VS Xperia z5
klemen241 said:
i ahve xperia z5 and i was offered v10 for exchange, any thought on that?
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I read about z5 and I have mixed feelings . If you have regular z5 ( 5.2" ) exchange it for premium version . z5 has newer processor ( 8 cores vs 6 cores in lg ) and newer graphics card dedicated photo button , but it has smaller camera sensor ( despite 23 megapixel ) non removable battery and lower screen resolution . If you like smaller phone You don't want to exchange it . lg is hulking 5.7 "
Here . Read this : http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=7606&idPhone2=7534&idPhone3=7536#h960tr,*,*
TheoKondak said:
Thanks for your reply. I ordered the GSM Unlocked version of the phone, which hopefully is bootloader unlockable. The images look great for a smartphone indeed. For sure i will have to experiment with the settings, mostly the microphone settings. Maybe its possible to hear the sound quality via the headphones realtime? That would be a good feature.
@klemen241
I've heard very good opinions about xperia Z5, myself i find it a bit bulky due to the design. Sony phones have bad angles which makes the phone look biger than it is. V10 on the other hands, is quite slim, even though its a very big phone, on my hands felt ok. The only negatives i have in mind about V10 is that the CPU seems quite problematic with the overheating issue, and also i think its not very fast. The 6 cores might help with the battery life, but Z5 has 8 cores, which naturaly would have better performance, but in the end who cares, since phone is smooth, i don't really care about computational power and benchmarks. So i suggest you have a look at the gimmics of v10 and see for yourself.
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yea the problem with sony is **** ugly design, and sd810 inside get hot as hell when used. I would guess v10 has very optimised software, because sony doens.t So yea its there there. I do like better battery on sony thou
TheoKondak said:
Thanks for your reply. I ordered the GSM Unlocked version of the phone, which hopefully is bootloader unlockable. The images look great for a smartphone indeed. For sure i will have to experiment with the settings, mostly the microphone settings. Maybe its possible to hear the sound quality via the headphones realtime? That would be a good feature.
@klemen241
I've heard very good opinions about xperia Z5, myself i find it a bit bulky due to the design. Sony phones have bad angles which makes the phone look biger than it is. V10 on the other hands, is quite slim, even though its a very big phone, on my hands felt ok. The only negatives i have in mind about V10 is that the CPU seems quite problematic with the overheating issue, and also i think its not very fast. The 6 cores might help with the battery life, but Z5 has 8 cores, which naturaly would have better performance, but in the end who cares, since phone is smooth, i don't really care about computational power and benchmarks. So i suggest you have a look at the gimmics of v10 and see for yourself.
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thanks, i already swapped. z5 has horrible problem with overheating too and very low sot compared to v10. I will try to stay on marshmallow and try all the battery saving tweaks i had on z5 and see the differenece
Hello!
So I am getting my wife the Mate 10 Pro to finally upgrade from her Note 4. While she is not a fan of 18:9 screens (I hate them too) there is not much to choose for OLED and newer phones these days.
I was debating the OnePlus 5T over this but it seems the camera is still better on this one plus the unit looks better to my eyes which is a plus for my wife too.
Just wondering if there are any issues I should know before I buy it.
Thanks
Yes there are many
Don't believe the reviews
The only good thing is the camera
Phone lags
Bad at games
Battery is bad. Don't believe the hype. To make it good u have to use Huawei battery to kill every single app in the background
It suffers when it comes to smoothnes and scrolling
Emui is just BAD
Stereo speakers is a joke. The secondary is extremely low
I believe it's a 800usd phone... U better think Samsung or pixel or even v30 from lg
Don't listen to the guy above, it's an amazing phone. He must have wandered in from the samsung forum.
I've had samsung, LG, motorola and nexus phones and this is the best by far. I can easily go a full two days without charging regarding the battery life. Emui takes some getting used to but grows on you and gives you full control over the system and apps which stock and other brands do not.
The camera could be better but it is still damn good for a phone and better than most other phones.
As for the 5T I think the main differences are the dust and waterproofing and the battery life, u have to decide if that's worth the extra money.
Any phone you buy can have problems! It is the luck of the draw! Just go to any forum you want and read about the problems they "ALL" have. Much of it depends on the phone you actually receive and how you use it!
I have the Mate 10 (non-pro) and I feel that it is superior to the pro version for many reasons that can be found in the spec comparison. I prefer an LCD screen! But either way it all depends on the phone and you. I think mine is the best phone I have ever owned (and I have owned too many to remember) and I have now lost the desire to even look at anything else to possibly replace it for years to come! Also, the way I use it I can go 4 days...yes that is FOUR DAYS between charges. Show me any other phone that can do that!
I have a mate 10 pro for a few days now and I can sum it up with two words : thumbs up ! I upgraded from a note 3 (battery dead, my only issue to be honest), and you really feel the difference thanks to the camera, the autonomy and you'll get used to the MIUI quck fast. if not, just change the laucher (NOVA, Microsoft, etc.). It really looks and feels great. The only BS part of it IMAO is the AI thing, you cannot feel it at all. But for all the other aspects, go ahead...
Seriously some owners are just weird and not honest
i am not from Samsung forums (whatever that is) i have the mate 10 since day one it was launched here in Kuwait. The only difference is I prefer to give a true life experience not if I like it or not.
I DARE anyone says it doesn't lag to open champions game for example and video record it and share to prove how smooth it is. Or even scroll in Instagram or Facebook. It feels pathetic.
I DARE anyone to turn on all notifications from social media and emails and show us the battery and how great it is. It won't last 4 hours SOT.
I DARE anyone says it's smooth to compare the scrolling with any other flagship from 2016 not even 2017
I have the OnePlus 5 and in comparison the mate 10 is a heckup joke
I dare anyone says emui does't feel like a stupid copycat version of a Chinese knockoff of iOS
I still owns the device cuz of infrared, PC mood and i like the monochrome camera but to advice someone to own it and spread what's proven to be pure lies is not my cup of tea.
I have no speed problems or whatsoever, besides there are a few comparison between the 10 Pro and the Pixel 2XL and both are on pair on speed.
Tbh for me EMUI was always nice and smooth, since I tried it the first time on the ascend mate 7, specially when compared with Samsung Experience, although the Note8 seems to bug down much less often.
EMUI does many things its own way, like it's not possible to expand notifications on the lockscreen, neither is it possible to drag the notification shade down from the lock screen.
Although I've found a way to keep background apps working just by putting them on the system exception, some apps specially the ones not optimized for Oreo might still give you headache, between EMUI own battery saver and Oreo's default background app policies, you might find some apps that won't run properly if they need to do stuff on the background.
There is not smart unlock based on location or voice.
As for bugs, the most annoying I have is Bluetooth audio is half broken, AAC codec cannot be selected.
Huawei needs to improve the portrait mode, specially on the front camera.... the Pixel app port does a much better job.
Cameras are amazing, specially if you wanna do things on manual.
[email protected] said:
Yes there are many
Don't believe the reviews
The only good thing is the camera
Phone lags
Bad at games
Battery is bad. Don't believe the hype. To make it good u have to use Huawei battery to kill every single app in the background
It suffers when it comes to smoothnes and scrolling
Emui is just BAD
Stereo speakers is a joke. The secondary is extremely low
I believe it's a 800usd phone... U better think Samsung or pixel or even v30 from lg
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My experience with the phone is basically the opposite of yours.
I'm very satisfied with the phone.
I upgraded from a Note 4 to the Mate 10 (non-pro) and would do so again. Definitely an adjustment period, but it's speedy and has an amazing battery. Routinely getting 8 hours screen on time and about 2 days of standby. But as others have said, the power management can be over-aggressive, so if you read the forums, there are some apps (like KinScreen) or scrollable calendar widgets that will keep being killed. The Huawei launcher also is useless IMO.
I installed Nova and then rooted, which enabled me to kill the system app Power Genius and I no longer had the apps dying issue, but still had my battery life (especially with a little tweaking using Greenify).
I like the non-pro model better (front finger-print scanner) and it doesn't seem to have the bluetooth sound issues that some are reporting on the pro.
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Seriously some owners are just weird and not honest
i am not from Samsung forums (whatever that is) i have the mate 10 since day one it was launched here in Kuwait. The only difference is I prefer to give a true life experience not if I like it or not.
I DARE anyone says it doesn't lag to open champions game for example and video record it and share to prove how smooth it is. Or even scroll in Instagram or Facebook. It feels pathetic.
I DARE anyone to turn on all notifications from social media and emails and show us the battery and how great it is. It won't last 4 hours SOT.
I DARE anyone says it's smooth to compare the scrolling with any other flagship from 2016 not even 2017
I have the OnePlus 5 and in comparison the mate 10 is a heckup joke
I dare anyone says emui does't feel like a stupid copycat version of a Chinese knockoff of iOS
I still owns the device cuz of infrared, PC mood and i like the monochrome camera but to advice someone to own it and spread what's proven to be pure lies is not my cup of tea.
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I came from OnePlus 5 and mate 10 pro feels equally smoother. Also I have all the main social apps installed with the Huawei battery manager disabled and I get easily 7 hours sot. A lot better then OnePlus 5.
Don't know about gaming because I'm not a gamer.
I don't understand the negative comments... Battery life is highly dependent on what you do. On WiFi you can get 7+h SOT, but when out and about using cellular it will be closer to 5 or maybe 4. The camera is very good, especially if you use manual controls but I wish it wouldn't completely crush noise in low light by making it way too soft (though I suppose this is a matter of taste).
If I were you I'd consider this phone mainly for the battery life and CONSISTENT performance. EMUI isn't broken but it certainly behaves strangely sometimes. E.g. sometimes when I open Gboard it goes underneath the navigation buttons which makes it impossible to use the space or change to numbers/symbols.
I would also say that this phone isn't worth $800. The Galaxy S9 isn't far off in terms of price and it's likely a better phone in everything except price and software.
My Mate 10 Pro hasn't suffered from any significant slowdown and even if it does a simple cleanup from the phone manager will do the trick.
If you can get it for $600 then I think is a fantastic value and overall an excellent phone that I don't regret getting for the equivalent of €550 over a 30 month contract.
So I'm in need of a new phone. Right now I'm using a redmi note 4 with custom roms.
What I'm looking for is a nice camera for the price, good speed for at least 2 years and nice design. Also custom roms
Is this worth getting at 350 euro for the 128gb against a S8 64gb 380 Euro. There's also the s7 edge at 200 euro. The s8 is used and I don't have any guarantee that they have not change somethings (like replacing display etc)
EvilMegaDroid said:
So I'm in need of a new phone. Right now I'm using a redmi note 4 with custom roms.
What I'm looking for is a nice camera for the price, good speed for at least 2 years and nice design. Also custom roms
Is this worth getting at 350 euro for the 128gb against a S8 64gb 380 Euro. There's also the s7 edge at 200 euro. The s8 is used and I don't have any guarantee that they have not change somethings (like replacing display etc)
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Bro trust me poco will be the best decision.
Guntas ROMANA said:
Bro trust me poco will be the best decision.
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Nice. One thing. I noticed that with most xiomi phones I owned. redmi 4a, note 4. Every one of them the camera is quite ****ty like just a little shake and it makes the image blurry.
Does that happen with poco?
EvilMegaDroid said:
Nice. One thing. I noticed that with most xiomi phones I owned. redmi 4a, note 4. Every one of them the camera is quite ****ty like just a little shake and it makes the image blurry.
Does that happen with poco?
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No bro nothing at all
EvilMegaDroid said:
Nice. One thing. I noticed that with most xiomi phones I owned. redmi 4a, note 4. Every one of them the camera is quite ****ty like just a little shake and it makes the image blurry.
Does that happen with poco?
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Yes blurry pictures can happen with this phone. I'm not much of a picture taker and didn't buy the phone for that purpose but I have experienced blurry pictures
Reborn.N said:
Yes blurry pictures can happen with this phone. I'm not much of a picture taker and didn't buy the phone for that purpose but I have experienced blurry pictures
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Does it happen offten. I mean comparing it to a s8 camera ( I know s8 has one of the best cameras around) would it be as good as 80% of it?
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Does it happen offten. I mean comparing it to a s8 camera ( I know s8 has one of the best cameras around) would it be as good as 80% of it?
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No not often but it can happen. It's not really a deal breaker but the S8 I would say is the better phone because it's made by a better company, has a better screen (though smaller than the Poco) better 3rd party support. Yes the SOC is older than the SD845 bit all depends on what you want from a phone. I brought the Poco mainly because it has a headphone jack, a card slot and was in the price bracket of what I could afford and didn't want to buy a second hand phone
I replaced my s8 for the poco,the camera is decent if you use Gcam but of course is worse than the s8.
The battery life and the modding possibility are much better but you should decide what are you looking for in a phone before buying it.
The Samsung water resistance, wireless charging, amoled and NFC are hard to turn down, but a new F1 still wins in my book - bigger battery, better SoC, plus it's new
If you're looking for a camera phone, best look elsewhere. Not to say that the camera is bad, but do note this does not have OIS, only EIS. So if you have shaky hands you best use a camera stand or take multiple shots (it's easy to do that just hold the camera button). I have had good shots with this phone and I'm satisfied with it (since I don't care much about cam quality, I'm after the SD845, though the shots i took were ok for my tastes).
As said, if you're gonna use your phone for amateur photog, you need steady hands and possibly a stand, but for the price, the camera is great.
If you badly need an amazing camera, look at the s8 or possibly oneplus, but the Pocophone cam is decent. You can google some shots taken by other users for reference. Here is one I took from my dim room and see if it suits your needs.
mecoromeo said:
If you're looking for a camera phone, best look elsewhere. Not to say that the camera is bad, but do note this does not have OIS, only EIS. So if you have shaky hands you best use a camera stand or take multiple shots (it's easy to do that just hold the camera button). I have had good shots with this phone and I'm satisfied with it (since I don't care much about cam quality, I'm after the SD845, though the shots i took were ok for my tastes). I just want to take a few good pictures to show my workflow and be done with it while using a flagship phone performance.
As said, if you're gonna use your phone for amateur photog, you need steady hands and possibly a stand, but for the price, the camera is great.
If you badly need an amazing camera, look at the s8 or possibly oneplus, but the Pocophone cam is decent. You can google some shots taken by other users for reference. Here is one I took from my dim room and see if it suits your needs.
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To tell the truth I might take 10-15 pic a year so yeah not much of a camera guy. The reason I ask about the camera is because I'm a programmer and need some pics of my workflow so I though might as well take them with my new phone.
I will go for this only for the reason from where I am people here sell refurbished phones without saying it. A refurbished S8 (it might be) is worthless against a new phone. Also Xiomi is kind of known for custom roms.
ps: to the one saying S8 has better community. From what I could tell on xda the s8 didn't have much compared to xiomi phones ( I compared it to my note 4)
I have s8, s9+ and poco. Poco has the worst screen of all but not by that much comparing to s8, since it can be very bright and its viewing angles are fine. The camera using the gcam is adequate, better that stock s8, worst than s9+, but again it is adequate.
Performance is better on the poco, talking about daily activities at least, is more fluid and fast. Overall quality, is surprisingly adequate on poco, and since we all use case on our phones, more premium devices like the s8/s9 will brag a bit less. Last but not the least, unlocking the bootloader does not void the warranty for the poco, but its a different case for the samsungs.
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I have s8, s9+ and poco. Poco has the worst screen of all but not by that much comparing to s8, since it can be very bright and its viewing angles are fine. The camera using the gcam is adequate, better that stock s8, worst than s9+, but again it is adequate.
Performance is better on the poco, talking about daily activities at least, is more fluid and fast. Overall quality, is surprisingly adequate on poco, and since we all use case on our phones, more premium devices like the s8/s9 will brag a bit less. Last but not the least, unlocking the bootloader does not void the warranty for the poco, but its a different case for the samsungs.
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Since you mention performance, does androud stutter still occurs in flagships like poco f1? Like literally every android I had in hand (not many flagships though) has some kind of lag sometime.
Nope I would sell this for a s8 because it lacks so many features
Bad eis
No ois
No 60 fps in any mode
It's screen doesn't support real hdr its just plastic looking with very innaccurate colors.
The only purpose in upgrading would be the processor.
I think the only differences in this phone is that
The official dev community and the xda community are very active like posts each day.
But if you really want a phone for pubg this phone can handle it at hdr 60 fps 720p mode. It's viewing angles and lighting are about 75% of what you would get with an oled panel.
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Since you mention performance, does androud stutter still occurs in flagships like poco f1? Like literally every android I had in hand (not many flagships though) has some kind of lag sometime.
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For me, I haven't experienced any lags. I'm on pie now btw. My only issue is for some reason they removed the system option to hide the notch(not really an issue since I use nacho notch a 3rd party app to remove notch). Everything works fine for me. I can run simultaneous programs with no lags, I can play heavy games with no stutters and the rom community is amazing.
As for your camera usage, it takes clear pictures and is sufficient enough (I use it sparingly since I'm not a picture buff). I use it sometimes for document scanning and it's clear enough to show the letters in the docs. For selfie and family pics, it's nice and adequate, though you shouldn't compare it to phones who specifically target photo buffs since the main point of poco is SD845 and I can say it's fast and smooth. Though as mentioned photog is good and adequate to take clear photos for normal use
Some people say there are issues but I haven't experienced any of them at all. No touch lag, no screen bleed and the Poco team really has good aftersales since they respond and really converse with their consumers (see xiaomi forum app about latest updates with Poco and you will see they do acknowledge most of the issues, unlike some manufacturers). I'd say for the price it is a snatch and I do hope they launch more of these "flagship killers"
Almsot forgot, there is one more thing you should be wary of, the notifications. I think you already know this but notifications do not stay in the status bar, so if I were you, use this mod. It moves the clock up a bit sk that the notifications will stay below it:
https://mi-globe.com/miui-notch-notification-mod/?codename=beryllium
And for more info
https://mi-globe.com/miui-notification-icons-for-notch-phones/
I would always recommend buying anything other than Samsung but as a Poco user my advice is, skip both and buy Oneplus 6, if you can find it somewhere affordable
I want to buy this phone but i saw that for getting good photos you need to use the pro mode. How is the camera for point&shot? How is the selfie camera vs the Google pixel?
How is the battery life?
well. "pro mode" also has 2 automatic modes so you can use that. But TBH, since f stop is fixed, all you can change is ISO or shutter speed so none non them is that difficult if you were ever using any real camera. For selfie......have no idea. Never took a selfie and never did a video call.
Battery life is better than expected but ofc depends on what you will be doing and what do you expect
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I want to buy this phone but i saw that for getting good photos you need to use the pro mode. How is the camera for point&shot? How is the selfie camera vs the Google pixel?
How is the battery life?
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well I have the Purple USA version on pre-order, I did use the global version and loved the phone, battery was decent, I loved the flat screen, sd card, the LED notification, and the size, from the few pics I did take, they looked very good, but I only had the Xperia 1 IV global version for 3 days, , so I wasn`t able to put it through it`s paces for the camera, so I sent back to the seller, because it was missing some bands for 5G service here in the USA, I`m waiting on my Pixel 6 Pro to be checked in the Texas return warehouse, so they can send me a new replacement it boot-looped and hard brick, so when I get my new replacement 6 pro and when the USA Xperia 1 IV ships on the 22nd of this month I will be able to do better comparison between the 6 pro and Xperia 1 IV, but people will say if you just want to do point and shoot and not fiddle with settings the 6 pro might be the better phone for you, but I love the features of the Sony like the old days of android phones flat screen, microSD card, led notification, plus with 4K screen , dedicated camera button, and the speakers are lot louder on the IV compared to the III., selfie camera I never tried on the Xperia 1 IV, so hopefully Sony doesn`t delay the launch again for the USA version, since it was supposed to have been released on Sept. 1.
Im asking about point&shoot to get excellent results like pixel 6 pro or iphone 13 pro
I dont want to mess with pro mode
I like this phone for its flat panel and the size, battery seems to be better than pixel 6 pro, but its very important to me to take out the phone and shoot and get very good results
You may disagree with me but frankly I think you're better off shooting in Pro mode all the time. Spend the time to learn it and you'll enjoy it for ever. My 2 penny worth...
you don't have to mess with pro mode, you can select auto then set that as default mode for each time you start photography pro. And results are OK. For a phone camera. But if you prefer that artificial look of pixels, iphones, samsung and night that looks like you are on the stadium in the middle of the game than you might be disappointed.
The whole point of xperias was always to try to capture something realistic and not to have the best on the fly photoshop processing.
Guys
My point is not night mode
I want to take auto mode good photos for 1500usd it should be, but the reviews are mixed about results so i prefer real opinions of people who have it.
How is the selfie camera?
Is the phone really gets hot or they fixed it?
I have the pixel 6 pro but i hate is size, curved display, disappointing battery and no 5G in my country
But i like is goddess camera
I'll try to take some photos tomorrow with different modes but the same subject so you can judge them.
Phone does get hot mostly if you are doing 4k recordings, but don't have any experience with that. Camera is not why I got this phone. My old XZ2 was way hotter than this ever gets.
From the sound of things this phone is not for you.