What do you guys think will happen to XTE as a result of this news? Multiple articles have the same info so I don't think it's fake. Could this mean we will lose a major competitor in the US market?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ling-to-chinese-phone-maker-zte-idUSKBN1HN1P1
It doesn't seem fake sadly. Androidpolice said the same : https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/04/16/new-us-ban-zte-means-might-not-axon-8/
I was just about to post a thread on this as well, but you were faster
Anyway, if this will really be for next 7 years, then there won't be an axon successor or at least not a good one, since mediatek is still lacking behind. Although they are getting better at every year on making processors. Its still sad news tho
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Oh no, that's not good. And here I was thinking of getting an Axon 9. Guess I'll continue to play the waiting game to she what ZTE says about this.
https://www.androidcentral.com/zte-banned-using-us-based-hardware-or-software-its-products
This means no more Axon successor as expected with Snapdragon. It also means a crippled Android with no license to Google services. It effectively means no Axon 9 and the end of ZTE's business in its current form.
For current devices they can't release any updates that include license to Google's apps and services. Won't see official Oreo now unless they remove all the Google licensing.
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Well that's ****ty. I can't say I feel sorry for a company that agrees to legal terms and doesn't abide by them.
Very disappointed with this.
If it does kill Oreo for A7 I will look at unlocking and rooting mine, make changes and un-root.
Someone at ZTE should "leak" the update and sources before **** fully hits the fan.....
This is a showstopper.
Perhaps we will find very cheap 2nd hand ZTEs in a near future...
Regards
ZTE does not only disappoint itself, but also their customers. Great job, guess I can avoid this company now.
As someone mentioned above, I sure as hell hope someone leaks the update because we have waited a long time for this and it was almost complete in the third round of testing. All of the effort put into developing the update would be wasted if they decide not to release it, not to mention all the customers it would disappoint.
I have owned Android devices since 2012 and the Axon 7 has been the biggest let down for me, unfortunately. I think from now onwards I will only consider Chinese manufacturers with a better reputation like Xiaomi. Maybe I will look at getting the Mi Note 3 since it has such an excellent camera. It would be nice if more manufacturers adopted 120Hz displays like the Razer Phone and iPad Pro.
Calm down...
ZTE is still allowed to sell their products in the USA. And We, europeans exists. USA are not the only market in the world. If ZTE can't use Qualcomm anymore, this is a big problem for Qualcomm and not such a big one for ZTE.
They still can use other processors from other manufacturers.
And I really trust we all gonna have Oreo.
Envoyé de mon ZTE A2017G en utilisant Tapatalk
The current situation with ZTE company is very serious.
All ZTE phone users become collateral damage.
It leaves ZTE’s use of Android in a potential quandary.
The software is released under the open source license,
which means that ZTE can presumably continue to install it on its smartphones and tablets.
However, that doesn’t include Google’s specific apps for Gmail, the Google Play store, Google Maps, and other software.
Use of those is governed by the Mobile Application Distribution Agreement, or MAPA, a contract signed between Google and device OEMs.
Without that agreement – which, it would appear at first glance,
Google would no longer be able to extend to ZTE
under the terms of these sanctions – ZTE’s phones
could not be considered Android certified.
original link:
https://www.slashgear.com/us-hits-zte-with-huge-ban-that-has-ominous-android-implications-16527512/
P.S.
We do not want to stay forever blocked on Android 7
Would this affect lineage os 15.1?
I love my Axon 7, but this could mean I have to jump ship.
This is the result of an American aggressive imperialist policy, innocent victims. It will not be long.
Reuters is reporting at least one analyst that says this may be resolved in 3-5 months:
"But Jefferies also said it expected ZTE would be able to settle with U.S. authorities in three to five months."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...nies-from-selling-to-chinas-zte-idUSKBN1HN1P1
The bottom line is that ZTE has always been cautious to a fault about their US flagships after the Axon 7, probably because the US market takes so many resources and is so hard to compete in. The Axon 7 was an incredible value but failed to become a bona fide hit, and they seem skittish about their commitment to the US even in the best of times. So my guess? An effective 3-5 month ban is better but still may spook them enough to derail Oreo and the Axon 9. It's a shame...
Time to jump to the one plus company ?
Today,
globally and locally
all official ZTE downoad links are removed.
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Today,
globally and locally
all official ZTE downoad links are removed.
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You've got to be kidding me
EDIT: Looks like I saw on reddit that an Oreo beta tester(reference) said if he gets word on ZTE not releasing Oreo due to the recent issues, he'll leak the 3rd stage Oreo update to let the rest of us get a taste on what it could've been.
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Today,
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all official ZTE downoad links are removed.
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And so it begins, looks like my next phone will be a one plus 6
ZTE want to take the worldwide of mobile, but by the lack of Qualcomm chipset, Gapps, this ambition may be end now.
They may no longer invest in developing anything suitable for global user, or at least Qualcomm compatible rom.
I feel so sad, Axon 7 is a great phone, and ZTE had had potential to produce more great product.
The U.S. has been screwing with ZTE for the past 8 years or so.
2012
60 Minutes episode on Huawei and ZTE (when I first heard of the drama)
U.S. gov't puts down sanctions on ZTE and Huawei. Shuttin' down the studio until they take a picture with a midget holdin' these balloons.
Huawei, ZTE ready to share source codes with India
2013
China’s ZTE Corp. Has A Plan To Defuse U.S. Espionage Concerns ZTE says they'll let U.S. carriers look over their source code before anything is shipped.
2016
U.S. to Provide Temporary Trade Sanction Relief to China’s ZTE Corp.(when we were able to buy our Axon 7's)
2017
This Chinese Company Is Helping U.S. Target North Korea Violators
2018
Shuttin' down the studio again
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Hi guys,
What do you think about this phone?
I already own a OPX, but I need another new phone for my wife. Instead of buying again the same phone, I'm thinking to vary a bit and try also something else.
From the specs point of view, the P8 seems to be slightly better; the nice thing it's that I found it at the same price I bought the OPX, considering also its shipping cost (P8 is free shipping on that store).
What I'm not sure about, it's the custom development scene. The phone has been out for months, but AFAIK there's no CM available, while root is.
Also, I don't think I'm going to appreciate the heavy lifting done by Huawei to the system UI.
What do you think?
Thanks for any insight/thoughts.
I also liked the P8 and used to own the P6, development is very poor and updates are also horribly slow with Huawei
would avoid
You can forget about third party development unless they start releasing sources. Huawei have to be one of the worst along with Samsung as both use their own SoCs.
Agreed. The long standing problem of Huawei is their lack of support for their released products and late release(if they ever release!) their sources. This is a major advantage in owning phones of oneplus type brands.
Thanks everyone for the valuable comments.
don't buy huawei phone if you are a geek
points to highlight:
- Huawei Phones don't get S/W updates from Android Version to the next, you are stuck with what you get with the phone
- Huawei Phones usually don't get S/W updates at all, unless major issues happen, security issues are not mandatory fixed
- Huawei Phones don't get sold to people who has money to donate to developers, hence developers are less interested in developing for it
- Huawei Phones has Huawei' CPU and GPU, this makes the developer less than enthusiastic to develop for H/W used only by one manufacturer who dont sell tens of millions of units of the same device, and depends heavily on the volume of KINDS of devices to compensate the lack of volume sales per model.
End to end, you are better going with OPX than Huawei Phones all together
xda_dentex said:
Hi guys,
What do you think about this phone?
What I'm not sure about, it's the custom development scene. The phone has been out for months, but AFAIK there's no CM available, while root is.
Also, I don't think I'm going to appreciate the heavy lifting done by Huawei to the system UI.
What do you think?
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@solomhamada
Thanks. At this point huawei is no more an option, I guess. [emoji6]
I have an HTC M9 that we have now changed to being the "home phone". My wife picked up the Oneplus 3 and I got the Axon 7. Well guess what, my older M9 just got an OTA and updated to nougat..
While my Axon 7 and her oneplus 3 has no release yet (except hers has a beta).. One of the reasons for my Axon 7 purchase was because I thought it would have faster release times but I was wrong apparently. Anyone else feel this way?
I've been very pleased of the hardware of the phone, but the lack of software support is on the verge of me never getting another zte phone again. Wi-Fi calling, which was promised before the phone was released (which was the main reason I convinced my wife we needed new phones) still hasn't come. This is a huge issue to me, and zte has not commented on it for a while now. Very disappointing. They've definitely been dragging their feet on a lot of stuff.
Before we got these phones, we had the moto x pure edition. Great phone in terms of software, and hardware was pretty good for the time. All it was lacking for me to love it was wifi calling. Software updates were a lot slower than I had imagined they would be as well, but overall pretty good.
Yep. The software side of it stinks and is the only thing that lets this phone down. They really need to invest in giving a much better user experience. The phone rocks but the user experience sucks. They should try and stick to android and expand on features instead of trying copy ifeatures like a lot of phone manufacturers are trying to do.
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Hate to beat a dead horse, but I am going to anyway. Daydream was a big selling point for me. Still waiting for that. Also, future official cyanogenmod support for those who choose to go that route. I'm really rethinking my decision. If ZTE doesn't do an about face soon on pushing out updates and fulfilling the features they advertised, I won't be buying another ZTE in the future.
I don't know any informed buying would expect ZTE release Nougat update sooner than OnePlus, for obvious reasons. Also the title of the thread implies there's a date for Axon 7's Nougat release... which is not the case.
So yeah, I'm thoroughly disappointed.
I'll leave this here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/help/news-nougat-preview-release-registration-t3515489
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310
So no security updates and loss of functionality.
The used market for these is going to collapse IMHO, who'd want to take the risk when the above news story is on the front page of the BBC News website.
*Trump destroyed
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Some would say that Huawei helped destroy. Bad bad news for every kind of stakeholder. Tke world doesn't need this kind of shajt...
Is it even possible to keep on updating present devices using aosp?
Edit. FunkyHuawei Twitter [emoji849]
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dondavis007 said:
Some would say that Huawei helped destroy. Bad bad news for every kind of stakeholder. Tke world doesn't need this kind of shajt...
Is it even possible to keep on updating present devices using aosp?
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How is it Huawei's fault that Donald Trump is trying to strong-arm China in trade talks? Huawei are a victim in this (or, more accurately, the consumers are the victims here).
Unless Huawei genuinely are spying on the world, which I doubt, then it certainly isn't their fault...
Ask those "some" I don't have a clue.
I probably have to buy a new phone so it's really bad news.
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Please Actually Read Before Making Statements
1. The P30 Pro will not "lose" functionality. It will continue to have Play Store and app support. Huawei phones moving forward will lose this... so actually the P30 Pro value is high since it will be the "last and latest" phone to continue to see this support.
2. All Huawei phones will still continue to be supported through AOSP and AOSP security updates... as long as Huawei can effectively push these out quickly, security vulnerabilities will be patched. Once again, it is the "licensed" products like gmail, play store, etc. they lost not Android
3. The trade war is smoke and mirrors. Apple has agreed behind close doors not to use their influence to speak out against the current administration.... in exchange, the administration is using their seat of power to effectively cripple Apple's greatest competitor, Huawei.... this just so happens to happen not even a month after it was reported that Huawei sales went higher than Apple world-wide.... The administration also made some deal or threat to Google behind closed doors to make this happen... This is why you haven't heard anything from the Google camp yet, as thy get their ducks in a row to make some kind of real statement today. This was planned day 1 after Apple made their deal with Qualcomm to bury the hatchet so to speak. Reason: Apple almost had to turn to Huawei for 5G modem chips, once that was off the table, Game on to strong arm Huawei. Tim Apple and Trump are businessmen first... always remember that... It is the "Art of the Deal"
4. Huawei, if they choose to, will get the chance down the road here in a few months, to pay some fines, etc. or some other garbage to get everything back. It will be just enough money to "sting" Remember, US Companies are doing over $1B in sales to Huawei this year. Trump won't threaten this... its always about big business, Qualcomm won't be able to make everyone's 5G chips.... Huawei will need to be tapped at some point. This also helps the US stay at the same or equal level of other countries with 5G roll out.... most EU countries were looking at Huawei for their tower solutions... this will slow this down now and make countries "rethink" in the short term.
5. Huawei has been planning this since trump went into office or even before that... trust in the fact that they are not scarred or "scare tactics"
Your P30 Pro's are good android support and app store support phones. Resell won't be immediately effected and it is still the best camera phone on the market.
mahst68 said:
4. Huawei, if they choose to, will get the chance down the road here in a few months, to pay some fines, etc. or some other garbage to get everything back. It will be just enough money to "sting" Remember, US Companies are doing over $1B in sales to Huawei this year. Trump won't threaten this... its always about big business, Qualcomm won't be able to make everyone's 5G chips.... Huawei will need to be tapped at some point. This also helps the US stay at the same or equal level of other countries with 5G roll out.... most EU countries were looking at Huawei for their tower solutions... this will slow this down now and make countries "rethink" in the short term.
5. Huawei has been planning this since trump went into office or even before that... trust in the fact that they are not scarred or "scare tactics"
Your P30 Pro's are good android support and app store support phones. Resell won't be immediately effected and it is still the best camera phone on the market.
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This guy gets it. Hold on to your P30 Pro. Enjoy it. Maybe it's the last Android phone from Huawei if things really go south, but to me, the phone hasn't really lost any value. I don't plan getting much from reselling it in a few years anyway.
NJ72 said:
Unless Huawei genuinely are spying on the world, which I doubt, then it certainly isn't their fault...
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https://www.businessinsider.com/snowden-leaks-timeline-2016-9
Just like that nonsense on Supermicro boards containing spy-chips that ended up never being there, this is all BS.
Again, I'd much rather own and use a Huawei phone than a Google one. In general, Asian people are much more trustworthy than Americans. Don't forget who are trying to get Assange extradited. It's not China, Japan, India or Thailand, it never will be, since they're smarter. Literacy alone proves that. 16% of Americans are total idiots that can't even read, let alone judge news on its merit.
NJ72 said:
How is it Huawei's fault that Donald Trump is trying to strong-arm China in trade talks? Huawei are a victim in this (or, more accurately, the consumers are the victims here).
Unless Huawei genuinely are spying on the world, which I doubt, then it certainly isn't their fault...
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They most definitely are, China are notorious for heavily spying on there on people so why wouldnt they want info on everyone else?
I'm glad I got rid of my Huawei Mate 20 Pro when I got Hulk screen.
And for your information it is down to Huawei, because if it was solely down to them being a Chinese firm then OnePlus would be getting the same treatment.
Do some research into the dangers of 5G and health and you'll realise why this is all happening with Huawei, because they're heavily invested in 5G tech.
mahst68 said:
1. The P30 Pro will not "lose" functionality. It will continue to have Play Store and app support. Huawei phones moving forward will lose this... so actually the P30 Pro value is high since it will be the "last and latest" phone to continue to see this support.
2. All Huawei phones will still continue to be supported through AOSP and AOSP security updates... as long as Huawei can effectively push these out quickly, security vulnerabilities will be patched. Once again, it is the "licensed" products like gmail, play store, etc. they lost not Android
3. The trade war is smoke and mirrors. Apple has agreed behind close doors not to use their influence to speak out against the current administration.... in exchange, the administration is using their seat of power to effectively cripple Apple's greatest competitor, Huawei.... this just so happens to happen not even a month after it was reported that Huawei sales went higher than Apple world-wide.... The administration also made some deal or threat to Google behind closed doors to make this happen... This is why you haven't heard anything from the Google camp yet, as thy get their ducks in a row to make some kind of real statement today. This was planned day 1 after Apple made their deal with Qualcomm to bury the hatchet so to speak. Reason: Apple almost had to turn to Huawei for 5G modem chips, once that was off the table, Game on to strong arm Huawei. Tim Apple and Trump are businessmen first... always remember that... It is the "Art of the Deal"
4. Huawei, if they choose to, will get the chance down the road here in a few months, to pay some fines, etc. or some other garbage to get everything back. It will be just enough money to "sting" Remember, US Companies are doing over $1B in sales to Huawei this year. Trump won't threaten this... its always about big business, Qualcomm won't be able to make everyone's 5G chips.... Huawei will need to be tapped at some point. This also helps the US stay at the same or equal level of other countries with 5G roll out.... most EU countries were looking at Huawei for their tower solutions... this will slow this down now and make countries "rethink" in the short term.
5. Huawei has been planning this since trump went into office or even before that... trust in the fact that they are not scarred or "scare tactics"
Your P30 Pro's are good android support and app store support phones. Resell won't be immediately effected and it is still the best camera phone on the market.
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...And to prove even further the absolute underhandedness of the whole Huawei and USA dealings.... FCC just backed TMobile/Sprint Merger, no concessions so that the USA can become a "world leader" in 5G deployment.... fairly easy to do when you cripple 1 of the 3 companies making 5G tower equipment that most EU countries were looking towards to build their infrastructure on.... Boy, unlike the movie Idiocracy.... there's still a few smart people around that see through this garbage...
ebproject said:
They most definitely are, China are notorious for heavily spying on there on people so why wouldnt they want info on everyone else?
I'm glad I got rid of my Huawei Mate 20 Pro when I got Hulk screen.
And for your information it is down to Huawei, because if it was solely down to them being a Chinese firm then OnePlus would be getting the same treatment.
Do some research into the dangers of 5G and health and you'll realise why this is all happening with Huawei, because they're heavily invested in 5G tech.
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How's that tinfoil hat of yours? It's got bugger all to do with 5G and the health effects. This is all happening to Huawei because nobody gives a rat's ass about OnePlus realistically. The whole point of putting Huawei on the subs bench is so Donald Trump can strong arm China by holding the largest Chinese technology exporter to ransom until his trade deal demands are met.
Also, OnePlus aren't in the enterprise technology space, another reason they haven't gone after them. This isn't about spying, and this isn't about the health effects of 5G (5G is coming whether Huawei are involved or not), it's about the tangerine ignoramous throwing a tantrum because "I'm the leader of America and everyone needs to do as I say"...
P.s. suggesting that "Huawei must be spying because the Chinese spy on their own people" is ridiculous and also borderline racism... So please avoid that in the future, thanks.
ebproject said:
They most definitely are, China are notorious for heavily spying on there on people so why wouldnt they want info on everyone else?
I'm glad I got rid of my Huawei Mate 20 Pro when I got Hulk screen.
And for your information it is down to Huawei, because if it was solely down to them being a Chinese firm then OnePlus would be getting the same treatment.
Do some research into the dangers of 5G and health and you'll realise why this is all happening with Huawei, because they're heavily invested in 5G tech.
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OnePlus doesn't threaten Apple.... once they do, wait for the spying rumors to start. Plus, OnePlus uses some elaborate hoops legally to keep their affiliation on the face of it away from Oppo. Huawei at its size can't do that, so their Chinese connection is more apparent.... and um, the name.... If I knew nothing about phones and phone makers, which most people outside here don't, and then said which one of these 2 brands is Chinese affiliated, Huawei or OnePlus.... let me see... oh, yeah the Chinese sounding one. Once again, perception, "fear of the other" dominates the USA right now... and its spreading across the world. The problem is that fearing the other is not the problem.... stupidity is, spreading like wildfire....
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NJ72 said:
How's that tinfoil hat of yours? It's got bugger all to do with 5G and the health effects. This is all happening to Huawei because nobody gives a rat's ass about OnePlus realistically. The whole point of putting Huawei on the subs bench is so Donald Trump can strong arm China by holding the largest Chinese technology exporter to ransom until his trade deal demands are met.
Also, OnePlus aren't in the enterprise technology space, another reason they haven't gone after them. This isn't about spying, and this isn't about the health effects of 5G (5G is coming whether Huawei are involved or not), it's about the tangerine ignoramous throwing a tantrum because "I'm the leader of America and everyone needs to do as I say"...
P.s. suggesting that "Huawei must be spying because the Chinese spy on their own people" is ridiculous and also borderline racism... So please avoid that in the future, thanks.
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+1
mahst68 said:
OnePlus doesn't threaten Apple.... once they do, wait for the spying rumors to start. Plus, OnePlus uses some elaborate hoops legally to keep their affiliation on the face of it away from Oppo. Huawei at its size can't do that, so their Chinese connection is more apparent.... and um, the name.... If I knew nothing about phones and phone makers, which most people outside here don't, and then said which one of these 2 brands is Chinese affiliated, Huawei or OnePlus.... let me see... oh, yeah the Chinese sounding one. Once again, perception, "fear of the other" dominates the USA right now... and its spreading across the world. The problem is that fearing the other is not the problem.... stupidity is, spreading like wildfire....
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It has nothing to do with that, like I said it's all tied to how invested Huawei is in 5G.
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Have a little watch of this....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol3tAxnNccY
ebproject said:
It has nothing to do with that, like I said it's all tied to how invested Huawei is in 5G.
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It is, but only partially. It's to do with the fact that if Donald Trump can stop the US from importing Huawei network technology it would hurt the Chinese economy greatly - thus making the Chinese want a resolution to the trade argument ASAP (which is what it is all REALLY about, as we've all said... A LOT).
EDIT: It has bugger all to do with the health impacts of 5G. You're talking about Donald Trump here... He doesn't even think global warming is a thing, you think he gives 2 Fs about health impacts of 5G?
This is a trade deal argument and nothing more. 5G is coming whether it's Huawei kit at the centre of the infrastructure or not.
EDIT2: With regards to the scaremongering video you posted - you just wait until you find out what's in your microwave, how your Blu Ray player works or the hard drive in your PC
NJ72 said:
It is, but only partially. It's to do with the fact that if Donald Trump can stop the US from importing Huawei network technology it would hurt the Chinese economy greatly - thus making the Chinese want a resolution to the trade argument ASAP (which is what it is all REALLY about, as we've all said... A LOT).
EDIT: It has bugger all to do with the health impacts of 5G. You're talking about Donald Trump here... He doesn't even think global warming is a thing, you think he gives 2 Fs about health impacts of 5G?
This is a trade deal argument and nothing more. 5G is coming whether it's Huawei kit at the centre of the infrastructure or not.
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Okay, clearly you have no idea what 5G is capable of in terms of weapons systems and health risks.
Maybe not all due to health risks, but it can be used as a highly intelligent A.I. weapons system. If you think this is all about trade then you probably believe CNN and the Washington Post too!
ebproject said:
Okay, clearly you have no idea what 5G is capable of in terms of weapons systems and health risks.
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So how come Europe and the rest are using Huawei for there networks?
ebproject said:
Okay, clearly you have no idea what 5G is capable of in terms of weapons systems and health risks.
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Clearly, as I've pointed out, the two are not in any way related.
Regardless of whether 5G technology will melt my insides, that isn't why Google has blocked the play store on a mobile phone.
Also, weapons technologies exist all around us, making lives easier. Technology when used correctly is safe, in the hands of idiots not so much. You seen what you can do with a microwave when you're not using it to heat ramen noodles?
mahst68 said:
...And to prove even further the absolute underhandedness of the whole Huawei and USA dealings.... FCC just backed TMobile/Sprint Merger, no concessions so that the USA can become a "world leader" in 5G deployment.... fairly easy to do when you cripple 1 of the 3 companies making 5G tower equipment that most EU countries were looking towards to build their infrastructure on.... Boy, unlike the movie Idiocracy.... there's still a few smart people around that see through this garbage...
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It has nothing to do with that, like I said it's all tied to how invested Huawei is in 5G.
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I said it previously that it absolutely has everything to do with 5G.... Look at the FCC announcement... crippling Huawei is Donald Startegory 101 to make US "a world wide leader" (as quoted directly from FCC Chairman). You mentioned OnePlus.... as stated by other, OnePlus doesn't even play in the same state of the playground that Huawei, Apple, Alphabet, Ericsson & Qualcomm play.
Huawei spies no more or less then google (recently found out they record all your purchasing history) & Apple (basically tell you when you setup the phone that will use some of your data for analytics) and truly so what if Huawei does.... You doing some top secret research for your government that will cause its demise if Huawei and China knows... really, really.... Huawei and China can know what porn I like and what stuff I buy... hopefully they'll make more of it cheaper. :highfive:
giwta said:
So how come Europe and the rest are using Huawei for there networks?
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Because the government's in Europe are easily manipulated and bought off, unlike trump has has enough money already, he can't be bought off.
ebproject said:
Because the government's in Europe are easily manipulated and bought off, unlike trump has has enough money already, he can't be bought off.
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And here i rest my case with you. Dont tell me. Earth is flat innit?
With all this upheaval, what do you think about grabbing one while they're going cheap, used and good condition?
Im aware of the circumstances and that Huawei banning bootloader unlocking makes the situation even worse. If we could find a way to unlock the bootloader by unofficial means, I'd be happy to pick one up if there's decent 3rd party developer support
Could this be an opportunity or just a waste of time and money for us?
I've just bought one for £520 and it's only a month old. I'm prepared to take the risk for such a good phone and hopefully this Trump crap will come to an end soon
I have one sealed here myself but debating if I should have opted for Mate 20 Pro instead for worthwhile savings
Things could possibly reverse back to normal, if the ban goes full on, it could come to a total of $11m lost of business for the states with the companies combine, plus other possible complications, even regardless of that, and full ban on huawei, existing devices are not effected going by what Google have said
I got one before the 'news'. No regrets, it's a great phone.
Yeah i'd say buy it or get the mate 20 pro it's a better deal.
It has a better screen also
Although i don't care for that myself
i have a p30 pro love the phone but i am thinking about getting rid of it becaues of the hole ban thing i buy my phone off line every year and just tread my old one in so just looking at it from a money aspect
It's still worth every cent of the original retail price, let alone the massive discounts you can find. Its the best phone of 2019, and I've tried them all...
I agree. I'm watching a few variants on ebay, mainly the VOG-L04 model. If prices continue to fall, I might end up with more than one.
Sledge007 said:
I got one before the 'news'. No regrets, it's a great phone.
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Ditto.
I just picked mine up about to days ago. And I paid premium price for it. I was looking for the best battery life, performance and camera. I'm not really a fan of Samsung. I have no complaints with this phone. Other then I have a defective figure print sensor.
Bought a new one about a week ago. Could not be much happier overall. I don't necessarily need Android Q. The phone is working fine as it is. However this might be the last Huawei I'll buy depending on what happens in the future. It's very unclear future for Huawei now. For current phones I don't care though. This phone has the hardware I need that no one else has.
No regrets for me too. I bought it after the news came out. P30 pro is already a futuristic device. Huawei can always use AOSP and we can use alternative for Google services
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I picked one up over the weekend, new. I'm not too bothered about the crap - it's a great phone, will get Q, will probably get security updates, and will definitely get Play store updates - that's good enough for me.
And it's a matter of time before either of the countries blink and things go back to normal
Well, I just picked one up brand new here in Canada. Coming from a Pixel 3xl. Don't regret it one bit. Nothing wrong with the pixel at all, but it fell short in a couple areas within the camera that the p30 pro delivers on. I don't really care about the situation happening, I believe it will get resolved.
I bought my P30 Pro before the ban for full price.
I love the fact that it has a best in class camera that's the most versatile in the industry, 2 day battery life, the fastest charging speeds and just its overall gorgeous design.
I have no regrets. I don't take politics seriously and think the news and media puts this in a scaremongering light as Google and various US-based companies wouldn't want to lose out on potential revenue and business.
Can you guys imagine If Huawei and Honor, Xiaomi, OPPO etc. Get an agreement to make one OS to all chinese Smartphones, this way the devs will forget about Play Store, cause only Pixel Will left ... Since even Motorola and Nokia are from China now! Is pretty much the end of Android!
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Can you guys imagine If Huawei and Honor, Xiaomi, OPPO etc. Get an agreement to make one OS to all chinese Smartphones, this way the devs will forget about Play Store, cause only Pixel Will left ... Since even Motorola and Nokia are from China now! Is pretty much the end of Android!
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Just a little correction. Nokia is from finland
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Just a little correction. Nokia is from finland
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I thought that the smartphone division was sold to a chinese Company , maybe was Lenovo and Motorola .. my bad!
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On the sidelines of the G20 summit in Osaka, Trump said “U.S. companies can sell their equipment to Huawei,” without going into detail. “We’re talking about equipment where there’s no great national security problem with it,” Trump continued. It’s not clear what this means for now, but it’s likely Huawei will be able to acquire basic components like Qualcomm processors and Google’s Android OS.
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Hi, I've had Moto phones like the Razr-i, G4 Play, and G7 Play but am growing unhappy with their limited security updates. I worry more about being up to date with security patches as there is always more news about exploits. I'm not familiar with OnePlus. Are they consistent about security updates? I see a claim of more years of support, but wonder how it works in practice for the budget models. In my experience, Moto has been pretty lackluster in pushing updates even before the 2 year window expires.
Has anybody here also used budget Moto phones and already switched to the N200 5G? How much difference would I find using this phone?
As my username says, I am a light user of Android. I mostly use it to glance at the Google Calendar, Slack notifications, and calls and SMS. I use desktop and laptop computers for most of my regular email, web browsing, etc. But, I've noticed that it is hard to read web pages on a 720 pixel wide screen because it is fuzzy if you scale so that the whole page fits. I also see it stutter, and assume this is because my current phone only has 2GB RAM.
I disable the Google assistant and actually want a phone to be more like an idle pocket computer, not a busy bee trying to be clever and annoying me with suggestions, integrations, etc. I have been able to configure the Moto launcher to be boring like that. Can that be done with the N200 or would I need to install Nova launcher or something?
I use Mint, a T-Mobile MVNO and care about stability for calls with both VoLTE and WiFi Calling. I don't really care about 5G speeds vs LTE but would hope it makes the cell connectivity more stable rather than less?
Thanks for any feedback or real world review!
You'd rather get a pixel 4a for that kind of usage and concerns about security patches, not a oneplus.
Huh... you don't think the N200 will get regular updates? Or are you saying OnePllus doesn't provide good security even if it is up to date? Do you think OnePlus is less secure than Moto or the same?
I feel like the pixels are in a different price bracket.
I'm just gonna point out that OnePlus is a Chinese company, and uses an Android OS variant made in China.
Chinese companies are not exactly known for keeping other countries (or their own) personal data secure (quite the opposite).
Take that how you will.
Hmm, do people think OnePlus is any less secure than Moto? Moto is also a Chinese company (part of Lenovo).
I find this hard to sort out.... those factories have to be trusted to put together the hardware and image the firmware. Even the pixel phones are made there, aren't they? If you go down this path questioning it, why assume that any software update afterwards can secure it, if the origin is murky? :-/
Edit: I've wondered the same thing about used phones and how permanently someone can tamper with it. That's one reason I am buying new budget phones and wondering about the N200 versus the Motos!
I don't mean to take this away to off-topic land. Can anybody report what security patch level they have received with a retail (unlocked) US N200 5G?
And if anybody is using one with T-Mobile or Mint, do you find it to be getting stable network connectivity and calls?
yes, stables calls and connectivity in Los Angeles area with Tmobile. As of the time of this writing its on July Security Patch. If you are worried aobut exploits and want the latest patches it best to just go with a official google supported phone the like Pixel series or a Iphone as they keep up to date with security patches on their latest devices.
In my experiance if you just want it for calls and text and the like you should be ok. I just came off a pixel 3a for this phone and before that I did the samsung s thing and before that the motorola cliq series. Am I totally thrilled with the phone? No, it's a budget phone that runs better than any other budget phone I have seen, however, it is still a budget phone My hope is that as soon as we can get root that the phone will rock due to it actually having decent hardware. So it's more of an expectation thing. Sounds like it will be fine for your use case, Good readability screen and enough horsepower for what your doing.
Hey lightuser, which company are you conducting this "questionnaire" for?
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Motorola?
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Huh... you don't think the N200 will get regular updates? Or are you saying OnePllus doesn't provide good security even if it is up to date? Do you think OnePlus is less secure than Moto or the same?
I feel like the pixels are in a different price bracket.
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Im saying you want cheap and android and stable security patches? Go with the mother of it all, pixel (not the high-end ones of course).
I got the n200 because of "free" from tmo, it's not what im used to thought. This phone is weak and slow and 5G/wifi speeds suck.
If those basic functions are sooo weak and you oneplus officially said: 1 major upgrade of the OS, you just know this little weak guy doesn't have a long life in the security updates either
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I don't mean to take this away to off-topic land. Can anybody report what security patch level they have received with a retail (unlocked) US N200 5G?
And if anybody is using one with T-Mobile or Mint, do you find it to be getting stable network connectivity and calls?
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I've got the unlocked variant from the OnePlus store. I got an update on August 4th with the July 2021 security patch, so that's what I have now. Before that, I had the 2021-04-01 update.
I'm going to join in and *not* recommend OnePlus for light android users. They don't have a great long-term update policy - see articles like https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/...e-commitment-is-uninspiring-yet-unsurprising/. They also anecdotally don't have a great support team, and don't deal with factory-broken hardware well (for example, the microphone issues with the OnePlus One which left many users without a very inconsistent microphone when making calls on phone speakers or speakerphone).
The reason the community likes OnePlus is not their updates, though. It's the custom ROM community: every OnePlus phone has its ROM released, and has an unlockable bootloader.
What this means is *if you're willing to install a custom ROM*, you're almost guaranteed the community - XDA forums and the like - will provide updates above and beyond the product's lifetime. With this, for example, the OnePlus One, released in 2014, still has new community-based updates today! See threads like https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...1-july-10th-lineageos-17-1-june-11th.3693223/.
This also means you get a guaranteed ability to root the phone, and thus can change and optimize the OS for your usage.
To be clear, if you're willing to use comumunity-produced ROMs, and understand the benefits and drawbocks of that, OnePlus phones are great. Lots of people will be drawn to them, similar to google phones, and you'll get software for into the future at the cost of having to rely on builds provided by strangers on the internet.
If you aren't, or have never installed a custom ROM and would rather not, don't get OnePlus. The three things they've had going for the are: custom ROMs, hardware that's specced above what you'd expect at the price point, and marketing. Software is not their strong suite.
I really like the Nord N200's hardware design, it's great bang-for-buck, and it seems quite sturdy. But people have *already* reported microphone issues when using cases which with OnePlus's track record will probably never be fixed unless you apply the fix yourself as part of a custom ROM, and you won't be happy 2 or 3 years down the road when your options are to run an outdated OS or rely on strangers online to provide custom OS builds with no guaranteed support or bugfixes, and which automatically void your warranty when installed.
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Im saying you want cheap and android and stable security patches? Go with the mother of it all, pixel (not the high-end ones of course).
I got the n200 because of "free" from tmo, it's not what im used to thought. This phone is weak and slow and 5G/wifi speeds suck.
If those basic functions are sooo weak and you oneplus officially said: 1 major upgrade of the OS, you just know this little weak guy doesn't have a long life in the security updates either
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the ATLEAST "one major update" will probably be a jump to the next major android version, however the " regular maintenance updates" will be the regular security patches that they most likely roll out in a timely fashion as they are known to do usually. It sounds like it will be s supported just like any other oneplus phone in my opinion. The hardware is decent for the price and considering its free from tmobile (cant beat that), its actually runs everything fine including all the games ive played just fine (Call of Duty , CLASH OF CLANS), the only super major weak disaappointment is the camera, considering Xiaomi can make sub $250 budget phones with a impressive budget camera, it puts the N200 camera to shame. I dont know your 5G test environment but in Los Angeles where i am, if i lock onto the same 5G bands as my friends Iphone 12,, i actually get better 5G speeds than my friend who has a Iphone 12 Max. WiFi speeds seem normal to me, but then again i am only 10-15 feet away from the router most of the times.
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Hey lightuser, which company are you conducting this "questionnaire" for?
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Motorola?
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Sorry, I'm just a user looking at my G7 Play which says "your software is up to date" and a February patch level, and finding only disappointment when I look at the available replacements and consider how soon I'll see this again...
Thanks all! I guess I am hearing the message that I need to either adjust my belief about what "budget" means (to consider Pixels etc) or accept that security is not included at the budget level...