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I went to at&T today to pick up a new sim card for my lady and the flip cover case for my note (which i can't decide if i like or not) and was talking to the rep about my note.
I mentioned that the only thing i didn't like about the note was the lack of accuracy of.the s-pen. He told me that they are planning on rolling out an update to this and through note tablet that will address that issue and will increase.its sensitivity and accuracy.
Throw that in with the mention of the "Galactic upgrade Premium Suite coming soon" mention at the end of the new Angry Birds Space for the note game trailer and i think its accurate. According to what i saw it is coming 3/25.
I think that means ICS is pretty far out with this simple.update coming at the end of the month. Makes me frown...
At least they are doing something about the s-pen i guess.
www.slashgear.com/angry-birds-outs-galaxy-note-update-android-4-0-ics-missing-05216893/
Let me know.if anyone sees or hears otherwise.
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LOL if you belive they will release any upgrade on time. You obviously don't know AT&T very well. Good luck with that.hahahhahahaaaba
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Why, from a business standpoint, should AT&T bother upgrading a phone that has already been released?
In the past, the only real reason for an upgrade would be to fix something that was broken, or add something that was missed. Gingerbread isn't broken, ICS doesn't add anything, therefore there is no real need for an upgrade.
Unfortunately, for us, this means that any ICS that comes along in forms of ROMs will have to be hacked in (for features like Hardware Acceleration) since we can't really write for the specific hardware.
I'm actually cool with GB myself. It was a long time coming and ICS just didn't have that big of an impact on me. I just wish that TouchWiz was better geared for my finger in this phone instead of the s-pen.
Well i never said that i thought the date would stand.
I just found it very interesting that he would say that and then i would read that.
Samsung knows they have a decent following and most of them are drooling for ICS. So does att. From a marketing and customer relations standpoint they know they would take a hit without an ICS update. The question is just when.
An update to the note around the release of the note tab makes sense. Similar hardware between them and if they were able to update the accuracy on the tab they could easily port that to the phone. Probably include some new bloatware from recently developed apps designed for the note. Call it a "Premier Suite" to get people interested.
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Thanks for sharing what you heard. Whatever it is that is on the way sure can't be a bad thing. None of us knows what it is, but we all hope that ICS will be here sooner than later. I don't think Samsung would have teased this news with Angry Birds unless it was somewhat significant, at least. I actually think it is some of the software that they have been teasing on their website, i.e. Whiteboard.
The angry birds tease is an international note as I recall. I bet my right nut we won't see ics before October. Don't get ur hopes to high guys n be disappointed, just enjoy and be happy we have a awesome piece of hardware!
Enjoy the note now as the Galaxy Note S or Note II will come with JellyBean. Take this with a pound of salt.
-On another NOTE, Samsung goes 5.3"
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Why, from a business standpoint, should AT&T bother upgrading a phone that has already been released?
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Customer Service, the MOST important part of doing business, if you fail that, you fail.
Ever notice AT&T is consistently voted worst wireless carrier for customer service?
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Ever notice AT&T is consistently voted worst wireless carrier for customer service?
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Ive seen several reports that rank ATT higher then Sprint and Verizon. I dont understand why everyone bashes on ATT. Every Wireless company is evil in my opinion, not just ATT. I found ATT's customer service to be rather pleasant compared to Verizon and Tmobile. (I despise sprint so i havent worked w/ their customer service).
http://www.customerservicescoreboard.com/
Anyone sure about this, or just the usual AT&T hatred?
Just curious, because I did my homework prior to purchasing this unit and from what I could tell it would be upgraded to ICS relatively quickly. I heard March quoted quite a few times, but I wasn't really expecting it until Summer. But Samsung is really trying to compete with Apple these days, and they're doing a good job. They know one of their weak spots was their lack of support for existing products, maybe I'm naive, but I would like to think that with the competition in mind, and considering It's not drastically difficult, that they would want to get that update out to us relatively quickly.
Either way I don't think it makes that huge of a difference.
I see it as a simple problem to solve. We will all have to band together to pay a dev to take a quality ICS package (and thats official, not leaked) and graft it over to the ATT version. There are numerous talented devs here that can pull it off, especially with "donations"
I doubt we will ever see ICS on the original att note, perhaps the Note 2 when ever that comes out.
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I see it as a simple problem to solve. We will all have to band together to pay a dev to take a quality ICS package (and thats official, not leaked) and graft it over to the ATT version. There are numerous talented devs here that can pull it off, especially with "donations"
I doubt we will ever see ICS on the original att note, perhaps the Note 2 when ever that comes out.
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You are wrong about that. Samsung marketing said directly the AT&T Note will have ICS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcoW7sh-FBk#t=02m40s
But I do agree we will have something from the devs much sooner.
I did say doubt.....time will tell but based on att's history...
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Just curious, because I did my homework prior to purchasing this unit and from what I could tell it would be upgraded to ICS relatively quickly. I heard March quoted quite a few times, but I wasn't really expecting it until Summer. But Samsung is really trying to compete with Apple these days, and they're doing a good job. They know one of their weak spots was their lack of support for existing products, maybe I'm naive, but I would like to think that with the competition in mind, and considering It's not drastically difficult, that they would want to get that update out to us relatively quickly.
Either way I don't think it makes that huge of a difference.
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March is the International Note.
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March is the International Note.
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Actually, nobody in the general public knows whether or not that date was meant solely for the International model, or not. At this point, it is literally anyone's guess, so you should probably caveat your opinions for what they are... opinions.
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SAMSUNG TAKES ART AND COMMUNICATIONS TO NEW LEVELS AT SXSW WITH THE GALAXY NOTE
At SXSW, Samsung will show how art, technology and communications come together with #FEED and launch #BeNoteworthy
DALLAS – March 6, 2012 – Samsung Telecommunications America (Samsung Mobile), the No. 1 mobile phone provider in the U.S.1 is showcasing its latest world-class, innovative mobile device, the Galaxy Note, at SXSW. From March 9 – 18, 2012 in Austin, TX there will be various opportunities to experience the device everyone is talking about, as it combines the best features of a smartphone with a larger viewing screen and allows for new ways to capture, create and share content.
The Galaxy Note includes a creative tool called the S Pen, which delivers fast, responsive and precise control to create fine lines and detail on the device display, allowing for communication in new ways. Users can make their own love notes, write a shopping list, crop a photo, create a vibrant multimedia memo and even take notes directly on the screen during phone calls. The S Pen opens a new world for gamers, allowing for easy and more accurate control than ever before, while offering a brilliant viewing experience on the Galaxy Note’s 5.3-inch screen. For Galaxy Note users, Samsung Apps provides the best place to find apps uniquely suited for their device – including those “Made for S Pen” – applications designed to take advantage of the precision control and writing instrument for the Galaxy Note, the S Pen.
Special Announcement: March 9, 4:00 p.m.
On Friday, March 9 at 4:00 p.m. in the Samsung Blogger Lounge (Austin Convention Center, room 19AB), Samsung will make a special announcement. Details will be released soon.
Samsung Mobile Presents: #FEED powered by Twitter
Learned Evolution will host Samsung Mobile Presents: #FEED powered by Twitter at Austin Museum of Art – Arthouse at the Jones Center in Austin, TX. The ten-day community experience will run from Friday, March 9 to Sunday, March 18, 2012, spanning the Interactive, Film, and Music segments of SXSW. Samsung Mobile will integrate the Galaxy Note to show how technology, art and communication come together in new ways.
Through the partnership with #FEED, Samsung has integrated the Galaxy Note throughout the museum for attendees to experience the superphone in new and innovative ways, in addition to hosting a @DAY event and a @NIGHT party.
During the ten-day program, there will be #FEEDart installations at the AMOA for visitors to view works from the world’s leading interactive artists. Attendees can experience the superphone through a test drive program where each Galaxy Notes will be installed with Sonic Notify, a real time interactive presence aware application integrating every installation at #FEED. Additionally, the #BeNoteworthy lounge allows attendees to sit down, recharge at a Samsung charging station, and view content from the Noteworthy Project series as well as the #BeNoteworthy influencer program (details on #BeNoteworthy below).
@NIGHT Party: March 9th, 9:00 p.m: Samsung will be hosting our @NIGHT party on Friday March 9th at the AMOA to kickoff SXSW. Entertainment will include Remix Artist Collective, Eclectic Method, and Ernest Gonzalez. The party, which is open to the public, will highlight the Galaxy Note.
@DAY Event: March 10th, 2:30 p.m. – 6:00 p.m.: Samsung will host an event at the #FEED rooftop at the AMOA with several of our partners.
2:30 p.m. – 4:00 p.m.: #BeNoteworthy Launch Party featuring Hugh McLeod of Gapingvoid.com along with #BeNoteworthy influencers. Hugh will be featuring and creating his iconic art work on-site and in real-time.
4:00 p.m. – 6:00 p.m.: Meet & Greet with Samsung and a special guest (to be announced soon). There will be an exclusive demo of a new interactive experience for attendees.
#BeNoteworthy Project
From March 9 – 13, Samsung Mobile will equip several influencers with a Galaxy Note to use for inspiration and to create, consume and share content and ideas in new ways. Participants of #BeNoteworthy include Hugh McLeod, Guy Kawasaki and Soraya Darabi, among others. Each will be capturing and posting inspiring content throughout SXSW with a Galaxy Note and sharing them via the #BeNoteworthy Twitter hashtag. To meet the influencers, and hear more, please join the @DAY event at the rooftop of the AMOA (details above).
App Developer Meet-up
Samsung will hold an app developer meet-up on Sunday, March 11 from 10:45 – 11:45 a.m. in the Samsung Blogger Lounge (Austin Convention Center, room 19AB). Developers can come and meet Samsung’s developer team to ask questions and learn about developing for apps for Samsung. Samsung recently announced the Galaxy Note S Pen App Challenge for developers to create S Pen integrated apps for the Galaxy Note using the S Pen Software Developer Kit. Winners of the Galaxy Note S Pen App Challenge will split more than $200,000 in cash and prizes, with a grand prize of $100,000.
About the Galaxy Note
The Galaxy Note is designed with a 5.3-inch display with HD Super AMOLED technology, a high-resolution screen that provides a bright, rich, colorful viewing experience. The Galaxy Note includes a tool called the S Pen™, which delivers fast, responsive and precise control to create fine lines and detail on the device display, much like an ink pen and pad of paper. These core mobile benefits of various devices and utilization of AT&T’s 4G LTE* network creates a premium user experience.
Follow Samsung Mobile on Twitter @SamsungMobileUS.
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Wow, a big ol' party just for the Note. Wonder what the announcement will be?
Very cool!
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Actually, nobody in the general public knows whether or not that date was meant solely for the International model, or not. At this point, it is literally anyone's guess, so you should probably caveat your opinions for what they are... opinions.
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It's not an opinion.. is the AT&T SGSII getting ICS in March like the international version? No. It is pretty obvious which version Samsung is talking about.. Carrier testing takes longer than three weeks which is how long the AT&T Note has been out for.
The special little party is probably about S-Pen SDK 2.0 which was just released.
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Actually, nobody in the general public knows whether or not that date was meant solely for the International model, or not. At this point, it is literally anyone's guess, so you should probably caveat your opinions for what they are... opinions.
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In prior history has the carrier branded and international version EVER gotten a major software upgrade at the same time? NO! International always gets it well before a carrier phone. Just the nature of the beast. I'm telling u guys, no ics for at&t note till atleast October! It is what it is! No big deal!
I Just upgraded to to the Note 3 days ago. I was going to switch carrier but then this beast came out so now iam stuck with At&t for another 2 years.. (yikes) i still have the LG thrill with me which was supposed to be upgraded to GB Oct 2011???? It is now Match 2012 and its still running Froyo. At&t are full of promises if the Note gets ICS fine but if note iam ok with GB on this thing..I can always install ROMS later
Hi, I am looking for a highen tablet and the two that are considered the "best" are the Google Nexus 10 and the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1. 60% of the time that I will be using this tablet is going to be for android app development and quick reference, ie googling a question. The other 40% is mostly going to be used for school and sometimes games . Any ideas which one I should get? Thanks.
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Hi, I am looking for a highen tablet and the two that are considered the "best" are the Google Nexus 10 and the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1. 60% of the time that I will be using this tablet is going to be for android app development and quick reference, ie googling a question. The other 40% is mostly going to be used for school and sometimes games . Any ideas which one I should get? Thanks.
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Unless you really need the wacom tablet features, for you I'd say the Nexus 10 without any hesitation. The Nexus line has developers as a target audience, and it'll be faster to get Android updates. As far as 10" tablets go, there simply is no better option for development. The higher resolution screen and A15 processor also make it more future proof than the Note 10.1.
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Hi, I am looking for a highen tablet and the two that are considered the "best" are the Google Nexus 10 and the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1. 60% of the time that I will be using this tablet is going to be for android app development and quick reference, ie googling a question. The other 40% is mostly going to be used for school and sometimes games . Any ideas which one I should get? Thanks.
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nexus 10
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As long as you posted it in the n10 forum all the comments will say buy n10 because they already prefered it over other devices, same will happen when you post in the note forum , so the best way to know is to try both by yourself and decide, both are the best in market btw so don't go for anything other than them
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I can't really tell you which is better because both are "good" tablets. Neither is great in my opinion, though for me, I preferred the nexus 10 over the note 10.1 (and I own a note phone).
Reasons: Nexus 10 resolution is fantastic but the contrast compared to a superAMOLED screen is pittiful. Nexus 10 displays blacks like greys. Still, the resolution makes up for it because even with my eyeball one inch from the screen, I cannot see a pixel.
Another negative that nexus is probably not so good for developing is 4.2.1. At least half my apps crash on the nexus, or are simply not optimized for the crazy high resolution. While developing for 4.2.1 would be smart, keep in mind that most devices are still on ICS or gingerbread still. When I go to an app in the market half of the 1 star reviews are from people saying it crashes on xxx device running 4.0/2.3 android.
So pick you poison. Luckily the note 10.1 can be found on "deals" for less than the $500+ nexus 10.
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I can't really tell you which is better because both are "good" tablets. Neither is great in my opinion, though for me, I preferred the nexus 10 over the note 10.1 (and I own a note phone).
Reasons: Nexus 10 resolution is fantastic but the contrast compared to a superAMOLED screen is pittiful. Nexus 10 displays blacks like greys. Still, the resolution makes up for it because even with my eyeball one inch from the screen, I cannot see a pixel.
Another negative that nexus is probably not so good for developing is 4.2.1. At least half my apps crash on the nexus, or are simply not optimized for the crazy high resolution. While developing for 4.2.1 would be smart, keep in mind that most devices are still on ICS or gingerbread still. When I go to an app in the market half of the 1 star reviews are from people saying it crashes on xxx device running 4.0/2.3 android.
So pick you poison. Luckily the note 10.1 can be found on "deals" for less than the $500+ nexus 10.
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I pretty agree with this, but my apps don't crash on 4.2.1, none, and nexus 10 costs 400$ and 500$, not only 500$.
I would go for the nexus 10. Better screen, better support, fast updates, and no stupid Samsung UI. Oh and the nexus has one of the newest exynos processors.
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no stupid Samsung UI.
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The "pure Google" thing is getting funny. What could possibly be better about having less features rather than more? Back in the days of 512K of RAM when SoCs were slow and overlays crude, poor performance drove people to AOSP/AOKP and de-bloated custom ROMs. That's not really the case anymore. The h/w is now more capable than the UI and apps running on it.
I played with a friend’s N10 over the holidays and, feature wise, it was a barren wasteland compared to the Note. The phone UI on a 10" tablet is bizarre. Similarly he was amazed at what the Note could do that his N10 couldn't. The N10 has a faster SoC than the Note but when you factor in the PPI it's pushing and that memory bandwidth is hard-partitioned to support the display it's certainly not any faster. And with app incompatibility because of the resolution some apps behave poorly or don’t work at all.
The Note has IO accessories available to match the N10's ports, takes up to a 64GB exFAT SD card for expansion, has an IR port, larger speakers than the N10, and gets significantly better battery life and charges 1/3 faster. It also doesn't have light bleed. Without question the N10 will get updates ten times faster than the Note. But so what, it'll still do 1/3 of the things the Note can do right now. It'll just be Google's barren OS with updates. I've disabled Google Now because I don't use any of their native apps that it depends on to harvest data and for some reason it thinks I work at a McDonalds because I stop at one frequently. As a value-priced consumption device with a great display the N10's a solid choice. For people interested in creating and managing content the Note's a better choice. Its 147PPI display is fine for pics and videos and doesn't require upscaling like the N10's display does. It's obviously not as good for text and computer generated content like the UI and that's a compromise you have to make to get the additional features. So for people looking for something beyond consumption I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the Note. It's already sold 5MM units and I'd be surprised based on its limited distribution if the N10's sold 1MM.
OP, if the things in this video mean anything to you consider the Note. If all you care about is consumption and the display the N10's a better choice.
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The "pure Google" thing is getting funny. What could possibly be better about having less features rather than more? Back in the days of 512K of RAM when SoCs were slow and overlays crude, poor performance drove people to AOSP/AOKP and de-bloated custom ROMs. That's not really the case anymore. The h/w is now more capable than the UI and apps running on it.
I played with a friend’s N10 over the holidays and, feature wise, it was a barren wasteland compared to the Note. The phone UI on a 10" tablet is bizarre. Similarly he was amazed at what the Note could do that his N10 couldn't. The N10 has a faster SoC than the Note but when you factor in the PPI it's pushing and that memory bandwidth is hard-partitioned to support the display it's certainly not any faster. And with app incompatibility because of the resolution some apps behave poorly or don’t work at all.
The Note has IO accessories available to match the N10's ports, takes up to a 64GB exFAT SD card for expansion, has an IR port, larger speakers than the N10, and gets significantly better battery life and charges 1/3 faster. It also doesn't have light bleed. Without question the N10 will get updates ten times faster than the Note. But so what, it'll still do 1/3 of the things the Note can do right now. It'll just be Google's barren OS with updates. I've disabled Google Now because I don't use any of their native apps that it depends on to harvest data and for some reason it thinks I work at a McDonalds because I stop at one frequently. As a value-priced consumption device with a great display the N10's a solid choice. For people interested in creating and managing content the Note's a better choice. Its 147PPI display is fine for pics and videos and doesn't require upscaling like the N10's display does. It's obviously not as good for text and computer generated content like the UI and that's a compromise you have to make to get the additional features. So for people looking for something beyond consumption I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the Note. It's already sold 5MM units and I'd be surprised based on its limited distribution if the N10's sold 1MM.
OP, if the things in this video mean anything to you consider the Note. If all you care about is consumption and the display the N10's a better choice.
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Just like stock doesnt work for you, Touchwiz simply doesnt work for others. Some dont like it because its ugly, some dont like it because it introduces compatibility problems with apps (a really big concern for this post considering OP is a dev), some dont like them because they slow down the device (more so with Motorola's skins). The only advantage I see with Touchwiz over stock is the multiwindow stuff, and then its nothing that others, be it Google themselves or devs here, couldn't replicate.
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Just like stock doesnt work for you, Touchwiz simply doesnt work for others. Some dont like it because its ugly, some dont like it because it introduces compatibility problems with apps (a really big concern for this post considering OP is a dev), some dont like them because they slow down the device (more so with Motorola's skins). The only advantage I see with Touchwiz over stock is the multiwindow stuff, and then its nothing that others, be it Google themselves or devs here, couldn't replicate.
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It also has S-Pen features, but as you said, it really goes both ways.
Also, it's not a question of "can" they do it. It's more of a question of "will" they do it. Just because Google or some dev "can" replicate it, doesn't mean it'll come to the N10.
I'm not siding with either one here, but they both have their merits and faults.
As for app development, I'd think the N10 is a better choice for you mainly because it'll be up to date software-wise for a long long while and you can continue to develop apps.
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Just like stock doesnt work for you, Touchwiz simply doesnt work for others. Some dont like it because its ugly, some dont like it because it introduces compatibility problems with apps (a really big concern for this post considering OP is a dev), some dont like them because they slow down the device (more so with Motorola's skins). The only advantage I see with Touchwiz over stock is the multiwindow stuff, and then its nothing that others, be it Google themselves or devs here, couldn't replicate.
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You're absolutely right - it's a matter of individual choice. With h/w having reached the state it has performance increases are measured in milliseconds. For people that are more interested in benchmarks and picking up 1/10 of a second in screen transitions than actually getting stuff done a Nexus device is an excellent choice. By the time you add (if they exist) non-integrated third party apps from developers ranging from excellent to sketchy to replicate the Note's features you have as much (if not more) bloat on it and the apps don't work as well together. Can you wireless transmit content from your N10 to any HDMI-equipped output device? By the time Miracast reaches critical mass the N10 III will be out. Someone above mentioned Nexus as a developers platform. Those days are gone too. With value-based starting prices for the N4/N7/N10 of $299/$199/$399 respectively and a decidedly lower focus on build quality Nexus is now a mainstream consumer product with its lead feature being price/value. The GN which was a revered device on XDA only sold 750K copies. That sort of says something about what's really important to making a device commercially successful and being “pure” and getting “fast updates” doesn’t seem to be it.
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The GN which was a revered device on XDA only sold 750K copies. That sort of says something about what's really important to making a device commercially successful and being “pure” and getting “fast updates” doesn’t seem to be it.
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The GN was banned at least once in the US from my knowledge, and given the short lifespan of smartphones, it's only natural that the GN was already superseded by the imminent S3.
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I pretty agree with this, but my apps don't crash on 4.2.1, none, and nexus 10 costs 400$ and 500$, not only 500$.
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Nexus 10 16GB is $444 with shipping & tax, Nexus 10 32GB is $553 with shipping and tax.
I got mine on a "deal" from staples because I had a $10 off coupon and shipping was free. After tax it was still $533. Google charges tax to every state in USA as far as I know, except the states without a sales tax. New Hampshire?
As for apps crashing... HDhomerun 2 crashes constantly, chrome has completely locked up my device, and other apps just randomly force close. I've only had the device for 2 days and its running completely stock. I know that over time things will crash less so i'm not complaining a whole lot. But its quite annoying.
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The GN was banned at least once in the US from my knowledge.
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It was banned very late in its lifecycle when sales were already down to a trickle because better spec'd devices had been out for a while. The point that I was making is that the GN was available at subsidized prices similar to other phones with overlays from the U.S. carriers. Its "pureness" and "fast updates" didn't sway mainstream consumers for it to have sold so poorly during its peak selling period. Outside of XDA, people like overlays because they make devices easier to use which is why the OEMs offer them.
Here's an article talking about it...
Google just can't catch a break with its Nexus phones. While the "pure Google" experience of the company's Nexus phones tends to generate fanatical loyalty from extreme Android frothers, it seems to appeal to almost no one else. In a federal court today, a Samsung lawyer said the sales of its latest Galaxy Nexus phone were "so miniscule" that it isn't a threat to anyone. Samsung's lawyers said the company took in about $250 million from the Galaxy Nexus during the first two quarters [where revenue is in the billions] it was on sale. That isn't nothing, but it's far short of a hit. Available on Verizon, Sprint, and in an unlocked model for T-Mobile and AT&T, the Nexus managed to sell at about the level of T-Mobile's Galaxy S 4G when it had its two best quarters. It fell far short of a hit like Sprint's Epic 4G or Verizon's Fascinate, according to court documents from Samsung's big California patent case against Apple.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2408712,00.asp
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It was banned very late in its lifecycle when sales were already down to a trickle because better spec'd devices had been out for a while. The point that I was making is that the GN was available at subsidized prices similar to other phones with overlays from the U.S. carriers. Its "pureness" and "fast updates" didn't sway mainstream consumers for it to have sold so poorly during its peak selling period. Outside of XDA, people like overlays because they make devices easier to use which is why the OEMs offer them.
Here's an article talking about it...
Google just can't catch a break with its Nexus phones. While the "pure Google" experience of the company's Nexus phones tends to generate fanatical loyalty from extreme Android frothers, it seems to appeal to almost no one else. In a federal court today, a Samsung lawyer said the sales of its latest Galaxy Nexus phone were "so miniscule" that it isn't a threat to anyone. Samsung's lawyers said the company took in about $250 million from the Galaxy Nexus during the first two quarters [where revenue is in the billions] it was on sale. That isn't nothing, but it's far short of a hit. Available on Verizon, Sprint, and in an unlocked model for T-Mobile and AT&T, the Nexus managed to sell at about the level of T-Mobile's Galaxy S 4G when it had its two best quarters. It fell far short of a hit like Sprint's Epic 4G or Verizon's Fascinate, according to court documents from Samsung's big California patent case against Apple.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2408712,00.asp
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I thought it was much earlier, but regardless, you're right in that fast updates and pureness don't sell. But I sincerely doubt that hardware itself is also what makes sales soar. Yeah, the S3 sale is simply outstanding, but I'm sure the majority of S3 owners only bought the S3 because it's something new (among the iPhones) and because they "heard" from nearly everywhere that it's a smartphone that can compete well against the iPhone. And yes, the hardware helps with that definitely, but the majority don't care if it has an Exynons 4412 SoC inside clocked at 1.4 gHz.
What I consider as the best reason for poor Nexus sales is that Google just sucks at advertising. I never saw once in my life a billboard or a TV commercial about the Galaxy Nexus on it. I only knew about it because I like tech and try to keep up with what's new. I see Google doing a better job with the recent Nexus line though, but now that Samsung has gained so much popularity with its own flagship line, people are going to keep their eyes on any new pure Samsung products (the S4 and Note III).
So how does this relate to the OP - it really doesn't .
I will have to agree that anything in the Nexus line is a better developer platform. Yes, it's commercialized as an average consumer product, but the long support from Google will give it the advantage in development because you can continue to develop apps without having to worry about breaking compatibility in newer devices. Also, you won't have to deal with ROM ports that may work but also may also not work completely.
Google Nexus 10 or Note 10
I think that is one hard question to ask? I think Galaxy Note 10 is really awesome phablet, i mean, tablet if you really like writing or drawing stuff on the go, but the size can be the problem if you want to carry it to public area.
So maybe you should pick up Note 5.5-inch instead.
Google Nexus 10 is also one great device, especially with its eye-pleasing screen and fast performance. I also like when Google Earth is run on this device.
Yeah, it's hard question.
Hi all, thank you for your responses. My next question is: I been going to stores looking for the tablets on display, but no luck for finding a Nexus 10. Does it feel cheap? Also from going to the stores, I really like the feature on the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 that has the navigation controls on the bottom left and the toggles/notifications menu on the right, but the nexus has only the navigation controls in the center. Is it bothersome or does it feel normal to use. Note: I have been using an iPhone and iPad for regular use/programming, and I only had contact with an android device at the stores and using the strictly developer use only android tablets at school, they are all 7-inch tablets, and you get in a lot of trouble if you play with them. Thank you, again.
First thing you'll notice is the screen on the N10 is miles better than the Note 10.1. When the Note gets a SAMOLED I'm getting one. Until then the N10 is the better machine. Plus the faster CPU, and they're both Samsung, why would anybody choose a Note 10.1 instead? Only the stylus. So make that your pivot question. Do you need a stylus or not.
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Hi all, thank you for your responses. My next question is: I been going to stores looking for the tablets on display, but no luck for finding a Nexus 10. Does it feel cheap? Also from going to the stores, I really like the feature on the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 that has the navigation controls on the bottom left and the toggles/notifications menu on the right, but the nexus has only the navigation controls in the center. Is it bothersome or does it feel normal to use. Note: I have been using an iPhone and iPad for regular use/programming, and I only had contact with an android device at the stores and using the strictly developer use only android tablets at school, they are all 7-inch tablets, and you get in a lot of trouble if you play with them. Thank you, again.
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The Nexus certainly does not feel cheap. The plastic has an almost rubbery feel, not at all cold like metallic tablets and not rigid or creaky like most other Android tablets. IMO its one of the best feeling tablets out there.
The buttons on left, notifications on right are how things were done on Android tablets from 3.0 through 4.1. The new layout doesn't quite feel as natural in landscape, but it was done in the name of consistency with phones and probably is the right move for the future. While Samsung might stick with the traditional layout, there's also a very good chance that in a future firmware update the Note 10.1 could adopt the N10's button layout. I wouldn't say its bad, far from it. The old layout is just a little more comfortable, since if you're holding your tablet with both hands you dont have to let go on one to do something (home/back/etc.).
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The Nexus certainly does not feel cheap. The plastic has an almost rubbery feel, not at all cold like metallic tablets and not rigid or creaky like most other Android tablets. IMO its one of the best feeling tablets out there.
The buttons on left, notifications on right are how things were done on Android tablets from 3.0 through 4.1. The new layout doesn't quite feel as natural in landscape, but it was done in the name of consistency with phones and probably is the right move for the future. While Samsung might stick with the traditional layout, there's also a very good chance that in a future firmware update the Note 10.1 could adopt the N10's button layout. I wouldn't say its bad, far from it. The old layout is just a little more comfortable, since if you're holding your tablet with both hands you dont have to let go on one to do something (home/back/etc.).
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Thanks, from my knowledge, the Nexus 10 has two pull down menus from the top, is this correct? And what is each one? Also, Does any one know if there is a rom/mod that enables the old layout? Thanks, again.
Hi guys,
What do you think about this phone?
I already own a OPX, but I need another new phone for my wife. Instead of buying again the same phone, I'm thinking to vary a bit and try also something else.
From the specs point of view, the P8 seems to be slightly better; the nice thing it's that I found it at the same price I bought the OPX, considering also its shipping cost (P8 is free shipping on that store).
What I'm not sure about, it's the custom development scene. The phone has been out for months, but AFAIK there's no CM available, while root is.
Also, I don't think I'm going to appreciate the heavy lifting done by Huawei to the system UI.
What do you think?
Thanks for any insight/thoughts.
I also liked the P8 and used to own the P6, development is very poor and updates are also horribly slow with Huawei
would avoid
You can forget about third party development unless they start releasing sources. Huawei have to be one of the worst along with Samsung as both use their own SoCs.
Agreed. The long standing problem of Huawei is their lack of support for their released products and late release(if they ever release!) their sources. This is a major advantage in owning phones of oneplus type brands.
Thanks everyone for the valuable comments.
don't buy huawei phone if you are a geek
points to highlight:
- Huawei Phones don't get S/W updates from Android Version to the next, you are stuck with what you get with the phone
- Huawei Phones usually don't get S/W updates at all, unless major issues happen, security issues are not mandatory fixed
- Huawei Phones don't get sold to people who has money to donate to developers, hence developers are less interested in developing for it
- Huawei Phones has Huawei' CPU and GPU, this makes the developer less than enthusiastic to develop for H/W used only by one manufacturer who dont sell tens of millions of units of the same device, and depends heavily on the volume of KINDS of devices to compensate the lack of volume sales per model.
End to end, you are better going with OPX than Huawei Phones all together
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Hi guys,
What do you think about this phone?
What I'm not sure about, it's the custom development scene. The phone has been out for months, but AFAIK there's no CM available, while root is.
Also, I don't think I'm going to appreciate the heavy lifting done by Huawei to the system UI.
What do you think?
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@solomhamada
Thanks. At this point huawei is no more an option, I guess. [emoji6]
maybe we can sent email to " [email protected] " for report what we need?
TQ all and forum xda...
install a custom rom and enjoy theme store and other note 5 abiliities
Why should I install a custom firmware for something I have paid more than $500? I think that Samsung could and should have to respect our commitment to their products because I do not have only a Samsung phone, I have also and TV and Blu-ray. If I wanted to install custom firmware I would have bought a cheaper device.
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Why should I install a custom firmware for something I have paid more than $500? I think that Samsung could and should have to respect our commitment to their products because I do not have only a Samsung phone, I have also and TV and Blu-ray. If I wanted to install custom firmware I would have bought a cheaper device.
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Stupid sales policy, What else could it possibly be!
Samsung wants people to buy the S7, S6+, S6, Note 5 and other newer phones by attracting customers towards these gimmicky features. So if they would roll out updates including these features to phones that are a generation behind then the sales of newer phones would go down. Since, people would tend to go for cheaper "last-gen" flagships as they would still be better than most of the newer non-flagship devices that have such features!
"JUST SAYING", might be the truth, Samsung knows!
It is wrong policy because it pushes the potential customers toward other brands like HTC and LG that share the new features they have with some older flagships.
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It is wrong policy because it pushes the potential customers toward other brands like HTC and LG that share the new features they have with some older flagships.
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Nothing can be done about it afaik because samsung knows no matter what they do, what ****ty policies they have a huge population of people with the money in their pockets are gonna buy their new phones no matter what.
I am sorry to say that but you are right. Though I think they have started to reevaluate their policy uploading their apps on the play store and with the Note 4 I have got 2-3 more OTA updates compared with Note 2 with which I have got only 1 update.
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It is wrong policy because it pushes the potential customers toward other brands like HTC and LG that share the new features they have with some older flagships.
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That may happen but only in a very small scale, unfortunately at the end of the day Samsung makes overall better flagships than HTC or LG and they know it. And I have consider both brands, actually I'm waiting on HTC 10 release. But more likely samsung's camera will still be better and I will get the Note 6.
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i want to say...themes service is ez thing..no like lock screen writting or alway on screen........
I'd like to have this feature as well. screw Samsungs update policy
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maybe we can sent email to " [email protected] " for report what we need?
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I wrote the samsung ..let see if i can get a reply
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I wrote the samsung ..let see if i can get a reply
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i wrote many time....they dont care...S4 and N3 also updated like touchwiz note4.....note4 was 2014 september phone...note 5 was 2015 August phone...fk samsung...so i need much more people report for what we need...6.0 no changed UI and everything,just changed s pen ui?so..that is our last update??you can find on youtube ..."note 4 marshmallow"....
I always felt kinda secure, proud and comfortable with owning Samsung Phones until the release of Galaxy S6 and S6 edge, i mean no card slot, disappointing battery and no water/dust resistance but just some samsung so-called innovative features and gimmicky apps (Ignoring the Specs as its become a trend with all Brands). They wont change their policies neither do they actually care about the customers, all they care about is competing with others in terms of specs and acquiring lots of money by setting launch prices as high as the sky. Later on they decrease prices of older models by 40-50% thus making sure that resale/exchange value is almost negligible. And in regard to themes and other Software features, do you really think they would implement them in older generation phones? I mean, why would they even bother when they already know samsung sales would never go down just because they dont provide software updates which INCLUDE these features!
Hey guess quick question I previously have the S8+ and I was wondering if I should get the S9 or wait for the note 9 or the s10
Any suggestions
Unless you don't mind upgrading at least once next year (and footing second hefty bill) you should wait. The S9 and S9+ have been widely received as purely iterative phones.
The Note 9 rumors up to this point in time have basically confirmed that it will be a similarly uninteresting device. It seems as though the most remarkable features will be yet another camera sensor and an S Pen with Bluetooth. Whether those inclusions are enough to sway you into shell out a few hundred dollars is your own choice.
That being said, all appearances suggest that the S10 will have a number of groundbreaking new selling points. Listening to the rumor mill isn't necessarily the wisest thing to do, but Samsung has to find something to keep people buying their devices. Most manufacturers cannot get away with putting out the same phone over the course of a few years. With luck they'll find a way to continue contending with the big players in the field. The S10 is their soonest opportunity to demonstrate that they can still innovate.
Tha ks fir the input guess ill wait for the s10