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I'm in the market for a new device as my contract is up and I my Dinc isn't doing it for me anymore, even with ICS installed. I want to know what some of you guys with experience with both of the phones think I should do. The main improvements that I want out of my next smartphone are in order:
1 - Display - mainly size
2 - Microhphone - I'm a songwriter and record song ideas to my phone all the time. the Dinc's mic is awful and distorted at anything louder than a speaking voice.
3 - Battery - I realize that with batteries not getting much bigger and LTE coming on board that this may be a pipe dream ... but I'd like to get an 8AM to midnight day out of my next phone.
4 - On board speaker - I miss calls regularly on my Dinc because it isn't loud enough and I've had to replace the speaker once already.
Here are my winners of the two after handling them in the store:
1 - Display - LG
2 - Microphone - LG by long shot (noise cancellation) - Rezound's is just as bad as my Dinc's
3 - Battery - have no clue. anyone have any insight for me? I am crazy to think getting a full day out of either of these phones is possible? I don't know if the screen/mic/data speed upgrade would even be worth it if I'm going to be tethered to the wall every 6 hours.
4 - Speaker Volume - LG
Here are a couple things I'm unsure about that I've loved about my Dinc. Any insight would be appreciated.
DEV Support - Rezound wins this by long shot, but the Spectrum is brand new, so there's no real telling what the Dev community will look like. What are the chances the Spectrum gets CM9?
WIFI Tether - I assume LG is rootable, since most LGs have unlocked bootloader & NitroHD has been rooted. Am I wrong to assume it will be rooted or does anyone know if it's happened yet?
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LG also had random issue of GPS not connecting while in verizon store. That could be seriously annoying.
Rezound's camera also kills LG's but I never take pictures, so it doesn't matter to me. The Mic superiority would make it easy for me to make this trade-off.
Here's a video review by wirefly that confirms most of my observations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTMVfhLIc48
The Rezound is a great device. I had the HTC Desire before it and that is very similar in hardware to the dinc. My Rezound gets better battery life. If I am not actively using the phone much of the day, I can get about 15 hours out of the battery. If I am using it alot (1+ hours of screen on time for the day) the battery life drops out. I think you can pretty much get 2-2.5 hours of screen on time with the phone before it is dead. So if it sits in your pocket all day or are making calls, it will be fine all day. But if you text constantly, watch videos, play games, the battery won't last 8-midnight.
This HTC will probably have the best development of the two, as it is the best phone on verizon right now. You do have time to return phones, so I would suggest buying the Rezound. If you hate it after a week, then get the spectrum.
I hope that helps.
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Here are my winners of the two after handling them in the store:
1 - Display - LG
2 - Microphone - LG by long shot (noise cancellation) - Rezound's is just as bad as my Dinc's
3 - Battery - have no clue. anyone have any insight for me? I am crazy to think getting a full day out of either of these phones is possible? I don't know if the screen/mic/data speed upgrade would even be worth it if I'm going to be tethered to the wall every 6 hours.
4 - Speaker Volume - LG
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Based on my having the Rezound for a few days now, here's my two cents for you.
1. Display - Having not seen the IPS display yet, I can't comment on its quality, but when you crank the brightness on the Rezound it is blindingly bright.
2. Microphone - I haven't had anyone I've called complain about background noise outside of speakphone calls, but YMMV.
3. Battery - Fully dependent how you use it. When I had the phone stock, I would lose 10% battery for every 10 minutes I was surfing on 4G. Now that I'm running Senseless 2.0 I've seen a substantial increase across the board in battery life (I'm currently sitting at 35 hours since my last full charge with light use)
4. Speaker Volume - Again, haven't played with the Spectrum, but the Rezound has far and away the loudest, and more importantly, the clearest sound of any smartphone I've ever used.
I'd strongly recommend playing around with all the settings of the two side by side in the store, e.g. adjust brightness, volume, play with ringtones vs. music, etc. For what it's worth, I was completely sold on a GNex before comparing it with the Rezound, which smokes it from every angle imaginable short of stock software.
Most important factor is that the Rezound isn't made by LG...
KORM via the beast known as the Rezound.
I'm getting another phone this coming week and plan on getting another Rezound.
another you say?... yes, I switched from a Rezound to a Galaxy Nexus(big mistake) then ended up trading the Nexus for a Bionic + $300.... and due to Bionic 'known issues' Verizon's agreed to let me get another phone again at upgrade price(& do as i wish with the Bionic).
The Rezound I already know what I'm in for and still feel it's the most superior phone(performance wise) as well as the best looking display.
I played with the LG yesterday & yes, do like the bigger screen but very worried about dev support as LG is notorious for having horrible dev support + it felt really sluggish to me compared to both the Rezound & the Nexus.
The LG does have potential if it gets unlocked/rooted, but I wouldn't want to just blindly buy it without knowing if those things will ever happen.
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Most important factor is that the Rezound isn't made by LG...
KORM via the beast known as the Rezound.
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+10! I don't think we can really put an Lg device in the same group as the top end devices.
You buy that LG at your own risk. Rezound is the way to go.
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Most important factor is that the Rezound isn't made by LG...
KORM via the beast known as the Rezound.
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LG is good at one thing, in my opinion...they make an amazing TV. Beyond that, I wouldn't trust them. HTC does essentially one thing...mobile communication devices, whether they are phones or tablets. They're good at what they do. LG is good at making TVs. (Just like Samsung).
I've decided just to wait it out until there's a 4g phone that can get me through the day that doesnt require making my phone look pregnant and isn't a razr maxx. Its a low usage day for me and I'm at 2.5 hours of display on time. Paying $400 for two phones that would be dead right now seems pretty dumb just for a bigger screen and better microphone.
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Considering battery life is important to you, I would not get the Spectrum.
It's basically the exact same phone as the Nitro for AT&T and that got reviewed as one of the worst battery life phones you can get, can't imagine the Spectrum will be much different.
LG phones = poo.
If you are willing to wait like you said, I would wait until phones running on the new Krait architecture CPUs. (qualcomm S4 CPU/SOC)
They have the modem/radio integrated tightly into the SOC and it is also made with 28nm size.
This tight integration and 28nm will make battery life much much better than current phones.
I've had my fair share of smartphones, all with ups and downs, but I'd like to think that the 10 is pretty close to being the perfect phone. I want to know what you guys think, as fellow owners. I'll give you a rundown of my most recent phones that I'm comparing to.
Nexus 6p
Nexus 5x
Galaxy s7
Moto X Pure
Droid Turbo 2
Droid Turbo
Thanks for your input!! [emoji16]
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I should also mention that I've got mine rooted, (thanks @jcase!) along with my unlimited data.
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I should also mention that I've got mine rooted, (thanks @jcase!) along with my unlimited data.
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I enjoy the phone, dev scene should go up soon with our next. Sunshine release
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I enjoy the phone, dev scene should go up soon with our next. Sunshine release
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Sounds promising!! I can't wait to free my phone!!
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Being away from the android market for some time now the m9 be my return phone and 10 my current I'd say it's pretty solid. Androids come a long way since the early days.
In case you can't see below signature, I've had a handful of HTC handsets since the Incredible and tested still more. The 10 is the best they've ever put out. I'm finding it snappy; love the sound with headphones and don't mind the loss of stereo via the speaker. I don't know how I lived without a fingerprint scanner and I have always been partial to hardware buttons. I've never tried a Nexus both because they aren't always available for Verizon and they never take removable storage which is a deal breaker for me.
My first smartphone was the droid eris and i only purchased it because it was able to be s-off'ed. Then i upgraded to htc incredible 2 which was quite an upgrade, then i jumped to the SGS III. Then i bought the M8 which was a good phone, but had such a horrible camera. I think HTC nailed this phone and i never thought how much i love the fingerprint scanner. Never been a fan of encrypting a phone, but how its default now. I have to say its going pretty well. Now that sunshine has been updated to allow unlocking without mail in, I think the development will get even better. I can't wait to flash a AOSP ROM.
I'm loving it. It's definitely a step up from the m9 in my opinion. Better battery life, screen and camera. My only complaints are about the keyboard (screw TouchPal) and the audio isn't quite as loud as the m9.
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Best phone I've ever owned. Best unlocked bootloader currently available. With expandable storage, it's even preferable to the new HTC Nexus Marlin, in my opinion.
Major cons: screen is C-grade. Maybe C+. It's not very bright, and mine has a reddish tint. Also the phone isn't as loud as I'd wish.
Major pros: best unlocked phone available. Expandable storage. Great metal unibody. Great design all around. Great sound quality.
Truly, truly the best phone I've owned in my personal opinion. I thought the Nexus 6P was fantastic until I got the HTC 10; and although the Nexus 6P is obviously cheaper, the difference in quality had me quite in shock. Only complaint is the abysmal speaker volume, miss the boomsound from the M8.
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Best phone I've ever owned. Best unlocked bootloader currently available. With expandable storage, it's even preferable to the new HTC Nexus Marlin, in my opinion.
Major cons: screen is C-grade. Maybe C+. It's not very bright, and mine has a reddish tint. Also the phone isn't as loud as I'd wish.
Major pros: best unlocked phone available. Expandable storage. Great metal unibody. Great design all around. Great sound quality.
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You can manually change the screen temperature settings.
Settings>Display, gestures & buttons>Color Profile.
I agree with you on the volume level though.
I started out as one of the biggest defenders of this phone but I've slowly been disappointed due to a few quirks listed below. However, it still stands as a fantastic phone. It's proven to me that Android has matured to the point I don't need root and custom ROMS.
- Polarized LCD Panel: Sharp but still washed out next to AMOLED. Also can't see it with my polarized shades on.
- SD Card Mount Issues: I have a 200gb microSD. I've replaced both the phone and the SD card. Still get unmount need to reformat errors which are incredibly annoying to deal with when I have 140gb of music locally.
- Random slowdowns: Happening more and more frequently where I have to start going in and force stopping apps and rebooting the entire phone.
- Screen Randomly Waking: I've had so many butt dials and funky texts sent out to people because this will wake up in my pocket even after I've completely disabled touch to wake.
- Dropped Signal: I'll have to randomly switch off both Cell and WiFi to get signal sometimes
- Android Auto: It just won't work some days. Works just fine with other USB C phones.
- Sexiness: Yeah, maybe I'm shallow but I don't think this is nearly as clean as the M7 was. It's still a great looking phone but after putting it in a very thin, clear TPU case it really lost its value. Coming from a Droid Turbo that never needed a case this was a big thing. My work iPhone 6S in the identical case still maintains a great look.
- AOSP Support: This will come, however, I'd like to have it be more supported. For this reason alone I think I'll hold off on BL unlock and sell the device for the new Pixel phone.
Battery: Not awful by any means but also not great. QC, though, is a god send.
I have not BL unlocked the device but I'm simply waiting only due to the new Pixel phones releasing next month as I may just sell and upgrade to one of those. It's kind of unfair to compare this unrooted device to my BL unlocked Droid Turbo but with custom software that SD805 phone was about 90% as fast as this device while feeling better in the hand and better battery life to boot. In hindsight, I should have held on to that longer and waited for the Pixel to upgrade.
I sound like I'm really dragging the phone down but I'm still a, mostly, happy user
What do you mean that QC is a godsend. Would love to improve my phone's battery life.
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What do you mean that QC is a godsend. Would love to improve my phone's battery life.
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I think he is referring to the QC quick charge 3.0
pjd2011 said:
I started out as one of the biggest defenders of this phone but I've slowly been disappointed due to a few quirks listed below. However, it still stands as a fantastic phone. It's proven to me that Android has matured to the point I don't need root and custom ROMS.
- Polarized LCD Panel: Sharp but still washed out next to AMOLED. Also can't see it with my polarized shades on.
- SD Card Mount Issues: I have a 200gb microSD. I've replaced both the phone and the SD card. Still get unmount need to reformat errors which are incredibly annoying to deal with when I have 140gb of music locally.
- Random slowdowns: Happening more and more frequently where I have to start going in and force stopping apps and rebooting the entire phone.
- Screen Randomly Waking: I've had so many butt dials and funky texts sent out to people because this will wake up in my pocket even after I've completely disabled touch to wake.
- Dropped Signal: I'll have to randomly switch off both Cell and WiFi to get signal sometimes
- Android Auto: It just won't work some days. Works just fine with other USB C phones.
- Sexiness: Yeah, maybe I'm shallow but I don't think this is nearly as clean as the M7 was. It's still a great looking phone but after putting it in a very thin, clear TPU case it really lost its value. Coming from a Droid Turbo that never needed a case this was a big thing. My work iPhone 6S in the identical case still maintains a great look.
- AOSP Support: This will come, however, I'd like to have it be more supported. For this reason alone I think I'll hold off on BL unlock and sell the device for the new Pixel phone.
Battery: Not awful by any means but also not great. QC, though, is a god send.
I have not BL unlocked the device but I'm simply waiting only due to the new Pixel phones releasing next month as I may just sell and upgrade to one of those. It's kind of unfair to compare this unrooted device to my BL unlocked Droid Turbo but with custom software that SD805 phone was about 90% as fast as this device while feeling better in the hand and better battery life to boot. In hindsight, I should have held on to that longer and waited for the Pixel to upgrade.
I sound like I'm really dragging the phone down but I'm still a, mostly, happy user
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- Polarized LCD Panel: it's part of the LCD tech. Only alternative would be to AMOLED but LCD has natural/neutral colors and "smooth" pixels versus AMOLED in which you can see individual LEDs/pixels and purple smears on black/gray colors. It's a matter of preference really.
- SD Card Mount Issues: not sure why you're having so many SD card errors. Perhaps it's formatted as internal or something else? No SD card issues with the majority of us.
- Random slowdowns: Definitely a rogue app! Haven't had slowdowns like that since 2011 flagships.
- Screen Randomly Waking: Strange as the phone will never wake unless you hit the power button (with DT2W disabled in your case)
- Dropped Signal: have you tried formatting? Doesn't sound normal for a phone to behave like that.
- Android Auto: I don't use it so I wouldn't know, as I just use Maps.
- Sexiness: Again, preferences.
- AOSP Support: Thankfully, Sense is now closer to AOSP than ever, without the boringness/plainness of AOSP that nexuses have. It actually has some neat additional features that lack in AOSP.
Battery: I find battery to be great given it's only a 3000 mAh. It's not as good as my previous Droid Turbo(3900 mAh) but the QC 3.0 make up for it.
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- Polarized LCD Panel: it's part of the LCD tech. Only alternative would be to AMOLED but LCD has natural/neutral colors and "smooth" pixels versus AMOLED in which you can see individual LEDs/pixels and purple smears on black/gray colors. It's a matter of preference really.
- SD Card Mount Issues: not sure why you're having so many SD card errors. Perhaps it's formatted as internal or something else? No SD card issues with the majority of us.
- Random slowdowns: Definitely a rogue app! Haven't had slowdowns like that since 2011 flagships.
- Screen Randomly Waking: Strange as the phone will never wake unless you hit the power button (with DT2W disabled in your case)
- Dropped Signal: have you tried formatting? Doesn't sound normal for a phone to behave like that.
- AOSP Support: Thankfully, Sense is now closer to AOSP than ever, without the boringness/plainness of AOSP that nexuses have. It actually has some neat additional features that lack in AOSP.
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Yeah, Quick Charge definitely makes up for any difference in battery compared to the Turbo.
As for the signal, it's definitely a rogue issue but I find myself having to enter and exit airplane mode more and more frequently to gain 4G. Usually I'd only have this problem on AOSP Roms on non-Nexus devices.
The screen randomly waking is just flat out annoying. Especially on runs. Accidentally called my CIO the other day when my phone was locked and in my pocket....Not good.
The SD card issue truly is my biggest complaints as I wanted to have this device for my music. I left on a week long vacation and just before boarding my flight I lost all my music. Incredibly annoying and it's always been set as external storage. When attempting to use internal I get the same issue (when testing).
As for the LCD I understand it's complete preference but other LCD panels I've used did not have this issue. When you're out on a boat and in the sun as much as I am you're always wearing polarized glasses. This thing is unreadable out in the daylight.
I don't have issues with signal, or really anything. I would say main grip (minimal) is Wi-Fi does drain battery more than LTE. I will say it's a lot better with custom sense Tom though.
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I'm going on my 2nd day with the HTC 10 and I can say I'm pleasantly surprised. After being a Samsung junky coming from a S7 Edge and then the Note 7 I can honestly say I am very pleased with my switch to HTC. I've owned nearly every Samsung flagship since the Note 3. Everything has been working great for me and the near AOSP compared to TouchWiz is great. The camera isn't much of a downgrade from Samsung at all and that really makes me happy. I've been using the phone caseless until mine comes in the mail tomorrow so I've really gotten a good feel for the phone. It handles well and is built nice. I S-Offed and rooted shortly after I got the phone and have zero regrets on the switch. I just wish I did it sooner and I would have saved a bunch of cash from phone switching. Nice job HTC with the build and @jcase and the team for root.
Horrible device, would definitely not recommend this to anyone. Uses a crazy amount of data that the phone doesn't seem to be registering (according to my cell phone I went through 1.2GB of data, the phone is showing 133MB). Battery life is beyond horrible (yes everything possible is disabled -- not syncing, not using photo sync, not using backup, disabled all gestures, turned off all google now/google anything services, screen is set to dim just enough to barely see it). Just using KIK for 20 minutes yesterday I lost 10% battery (no joke). Wifi is still buggy, even after the 186 firmware update. Can't tell if its Marshmallow in general or HTC's garbage services that is causing all these problems. There are so many little annoying things with the Verizon build too -- default email app doesn't resize HTML messages so everything is HUGE, the power toggle widget sucks -- you click wifi which normally turns it on/off but it instead brings you to the wifi settings where you then have to manually turn it on/off, things like this that I have to deal with daily is slowly driving me crazy. Going back to my old device until my data gets the monthly reset, then I'll try some custom ROMs to see if it helps with these issues.
Honestly, the only good feature on this phone is the fingerprint scanner. It did make me realize how much I love my little Razr M which I would go through a full day of use and still only be at 90-85% battery.
I still like the great sound, the great camera (in daylight)… but the screen is glitching (left half stops working several times a day), the battery life is now very short, the phone is starting to feel slow.
Do you still use yours?
Or what did you replace it with? Are there any phones this good for under US$400?
Still using mine. I suspect the battery has lost a little capacity now, or maybe I need to clear out some apps but it works fine.
I did buy myself an Axon 7 mini recently.
It was a bargain. AU$149 new in box from retail store. I use it mainly for music and streaming television plus some web browsing and it's perfect for this. Works just as well as the Axon 7 for these things. The Axon 7 can still be found here for AU$399 new in box which is still a bargain too.
I think the Asus Zen Phone 6 is looking interesting for the future.
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I still like the great sound, the great camera (in daylight)… but the screen is glitching (left half stops working several times a day), the battery life is now very short, the phone is starting to feel slow.
Do you still use yours?
Or what did you replace it with? Are there any phones this good for under US$400?
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i know two people that came back after buying other, much newer phones. All it needs is a battery swap that should set you back around $8 if you do it yourself, and you can get stupid numbers like around 7h of SOT out of this 3 year old phone.
I just broke my screen, and this was my second axon anyways, so i'll be going. But there's no need unless you get paid for playing pubg professionally or something lmao
I am still using mine as secondary phone and media player. I store all my music, videos and photos in it and 256gb sd card as additional. I love the sound from this phone, through speakers and headphone jack just sound so good. In case I miss the sound from LG's quad dac, I add LG G5 B&O module to still get better headphone experience, more bassy sound (I am an LG phone fan also for their music quality)
The camera has been great since Gcam works pretty well, it produces good and detail pictures and the low light performance is so great.
My axon battery getting weaker as it aged, in accubattery it shows only 1900mAh capacity left fot battery health. Got to replace this in near future.
So far I'm so happy with this axon since I can't afford the phone with better speakers quality and much higher price
Just replaced the screen for the second time. I just wish I could fix my headphone jack. The prongs on the inside don't hold the plug in right anymore
I love the phone though. I'll probably get the Pixel 4 in the Fall, but keep this phone for a long time to use as a learning tool in coding and flashing.
Bought a Red Magic 3 a week ago,but my Axon 7 is still in use,and will be until it doesn't startup anymore...
It will be replaced as my daily driver as soon as the protection case for the Magic 3 arrives,but for audio playback (that's the main reason why it's still running stock rom,although rooted and an unlocked bootloader) and home use (remote control for receiver etcetera),it will still be around for quite some time....
ATM,I can't complain about the battery life,and I hope it stays that way for some time.....
I'm using my axon 7 since 2016/2017 but maybe later in this year I will change it. For now it works great, I swapped battery and installed HavocOS, so it feel like a new phone
It's my daily drive, the battery is not that great probably because of the 1440p display, the glitching in the display only happened to me because I dropped the phone on the floor with the corner with the display connector down suffering the impact. But the phone do not feels slow to me, I even play Fortnite and PUBG with no down frames, I really cannot say bad things about it's performance, it holds up to today's most demanding apps with no hassle.
It's a really solid phone, aluminum body with great heat dissipation (a thing that most Snapdragons 820 didn't had). One of the best Hi-Fi phones out there, great DAC. Can support MicroSD cards up to 2TB, dualSIM, VolLTE, 20MP camera and with the Google Camera it truns to one of the best cellphone cameras I've ever laid my hands on.
Now the main problems are the ZTE updates which stopped in Oreo betas, the custom ROMs are great but you lose Dobly Atmos with them, to get you need to install a lot of patches to make it work and it doesn't work perfectly.
And MiFavor, I installed CPL and never replaced my launcher after.
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The Axon 7 can still be found here for AU$399 new in box which is still a bargain too.
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Urk. I paid 355 for mine, 15 months ago, and I think Officeworks dropped the price once more as they cleared them out.
Still my daily driver, yes. Solid phone, very mediocre software.
Im not using the Axon anymore for daily use. Switched to a Mi Max 3 a year ago. Axon 7 is just a backup now or the music smartphone on a soundsystem.
Battery drain is horrible and the screen is to small compared to the Mi Max 3
Have 2 of them, one grey daily driver and the other gold on backup with spare parts if need be. Had the gold one since August 2016, only got the grey one for $50 on eBay since the person didn't know how to fix the half screen connector problem. (Ended up getting it for free since it was FRP locked). I'll keep this phone until I find an equally replacement with updated cpu.
It's my main device and will probably continue to be for a couple more years. I too have the half glitch thing, bit from my understanding it's just a loose connection inside (which I'll check up on when I replace my battery). It's still fast still feels smooth, especially with LOS or other ROMs which is why I hope this keeps on getting support for a long time
yes, I do. Havok 2.6 (android Pie)
battery life still good
Still using since 2 years ago. Solid quality build. Can't agree more on the getting worse battery life. Planning to have it replace to use the phone for few more years until it dies.
Still on the Axon 7 also. Always been a secondary, though I originally got it to replace my G3 but that's still my daily. Heh. The Axon acts more as my multimedia device since nothing else (that I own) compares.
ZTE Axon 7 A2017U, AospExtended v4.6 ROM, Radioactive v2.4 Kernel, microG (NoGapps), Multiboot, XDA Legacy
Been a fanboy of Pixel since Nexus 4. The best models I think would be the original Pixel, Pixel 2 XL and Pixel 5. Good solid phones for my use without any problems that would bother me.
Pixel 5 was great, I kept it even after getting a Pixel 6 and would occasionally pop a sim card in it to use. I don't do any gaming and P5 had everything I needed besides a bit slow processor sometimes.
Pixel 6 on the other side would constantly make me annoyed. Don't like the size, it's bulky. Oneplus is even easier for one hand use even though it's a little bigger overall.
I am a truck driver and go to many different places. The modem in this phone is just horrendous. It loses signal or has bad connection in places where other phones perform just fine.
Even at my home, P6 is basically unusable, while OnePlus has good enough connection (Verizon).
Charging P6 is a bad experience too. Takes forever if phone is being used and gets hot. Overheating is actually a big problem here. I often use video calling and never ever did I have another phone turning off mobile network, because it got too hot, after 40 minutes of talking.
I just got tired of constant bugs and really happy about finally switching to a different phone. Oneplus does not seem to have any of those problems so far. Great cell connection and charging speed is just incredible. Software seems to be fine, have not had any glitches yet. Overall I would highly recommend it over a Pixel 6
Different price tags
Is there a reason why you can't just move on?
It all most sounds like you have remorse for getting rid of the P6.
For me , i charge my phone once daily and it lasts form 5 am to 12 pm with 5h of sot.
I have a fast charger for when i really need to charge it fast , but usually i charge it with a slow charger during the night.
Its all i need.
About network, i have no problems. No 5g in my area but i have 4g and it offers good enough speed even for streaming 1080p.
5g spends more battery though
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Is there a reason why you can't just move on?
It all most sounds like you have remorse for getting rid of the P6.
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Just sharing my experience. I would not say it's a remorse, its more of a sadness, frustration with hardware and disappointment that I had to leave the Pixel line.
Got really used to the software over the years
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The same problems apply to 6 Pro
IDK what this post is supposed to achieve but just for the protocol I'd say that I never had any of the issues mentioned by OP.
It's my first google phone , coming from oneplus 3, and i really enjoy it so far.
I Agree with those issues not sure OnePlus 10 is a smart move now though OOS is dead colour OS is
I currently own pixel 6 and a op7t
Charging time is crazy given the battery.Then there is the fingerprint reader
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I Agree with those issues not sure OnePlus 10 is a smart move now though OOS is dead colour OS is
I currently own pixel 6 and a op7t
Charging time is crazy given the battery.Then there is the fingerprint reader
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Oxygen is alive for 10 Pro, just got a new update yesterday actually
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Been a fanboy of Pixel since Nexus 4. The best models I think would be the original Pixel, Pixel 2 XL and Pixel 5. Good solid phones for my use without any problems that would bother me.
Pixel 5 was great, I kept it even after getting a Pixel 6 and would occasionally pop a sim card in it to use. I don't do any gaming and P5 had everything I needed besides a bit slow processor sometimes.
Pixel 6 on the other side would constantly make me annoyed. Don't like the size, it's bulky. Oneplus is even easier for one hand use even though it's a little bigger overall.
I am a truck driver and go to many different places. The modem in this phone is just horrendous. It loses signal or has bad connection in places where other phones perform just fine.
Even at my home, P6 is basically unusable, while OnePlus has good enough connection (Verizon).
Charging P6 is a bad experience too. Takes forever if phone is being used and gets hot. Overheating is actually a big problem here. I often use video calling and never ever did I have another phone turning off mobile network, because it got too hot, after 40 minutes of talking.
I just got tired of constant bugs and really happy about finally switching to a different phone. Oneplus does not seem to have any of those problems so far. Great cell connection and charging speed is just incredible. Software seems to be fine, have not had any glitches yet. Overall I would highly recommend it over a Pixel 6
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Hi.
Interesting reasons why you want to leave the pixel phone....
1. Pixel 6 is bulky (by your own admission the OnePlus 10 pro is bulkier). I can add you one more; OnePlus 10 pro has a curved screen which, if you are a driver as you claim, is really bad because of accidental touches.
2. Modem ; granted I have some problems with this but from my experience as a user of the pixel 6 this is a problem I had on my esim and seems not to be prevalent on the physical SIM. But that is just me so I think this may be a legitimate concern which for now I do not experience (I travel extensively for work by the way)
3. Bad charging experience. You probably did not buy a proper charger for it. Were you using the specified tech for it? I have been using my pixel 4a 5g charger on the pixel 6 (for obvious reasons that the 6 did not come with one) and the charging was very modest. This charger is 18watts which is not fast charging for the pixel 6. However I went for the recommended PD charger that does 30watts and I am not doing Rapid charging. The pixel does around 23 watt on fast charging and I get very fast speeds with that. But this is probably nothing close to the warp charging on the OnePlus 10 pro but honestly this is not a game changer for me as a person on the move. I have a fast charging car charger which is always ready on the go.
4. Heating: honestly this has happened to me when I used the OnePlus 9 pro and worse when I am on a video call, with the phone charging and having placed it on my dash phone holder holder. If I don't have to hold the phone it is fine with me. The pixel 4a 5g would occassionally go off on me because of temperature increase but this has never happened on the pixel 6.
5. Constant bugs....yeah....this has become like a song for everyone leaving the pixel 6. Honestly I went for the pixel because I know I am on the cutting edge of software and I expect some things not to go well. I have options to change from one OS to another so bugs do not bug me (no pun intended). In any case OnePlus has been known to similarly have bugs. Maybe the OnePlus 10 pro is resting on a conservatively stable software which most likely is not the most recent. Please note that the pixel is not a conservative phone like the OnePlus 10 pro. The system chip is new and not mainstream, backing a groundbreaking AI agenda which is pushing grounds to places where people have not explored before ....this is an adventure into the future of mobile telephony...if you are not the person into adventures and trying new things then the pixel is probably not for you. You will most likely receive the newest updates with newest features never tried on another device and this may break a few things and you have to have the tenacity to wait out the growth with excitememt...otherwise go for a conservative device which may appear to have all the bells and whistles but for me does not whet my appetite.
My 2 cents
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Been a fanboy of Pixel since Nexus 4. The best models I think would be the original Pixel, Pixel 2 XL and Pixel 5. Good solid phones for my use without any problems that would bother me.
Pixel 5 was great, I kept it even after getting a Pixel 6 and would occasionally pop a sim card in it to use. I don't do any gaming and P5 had everything I needed besides a bit slow processor sometimes.
Pixel 6 on the other side would constantly make me annoyed. Don't like the size, it's bulky. Oneplus is even easier for one hand use even though it's a little bigger overall.
I am a truck driver and go to many different places. The modem in this phone is just horrendous. It loses signal or has bad connection in places where other phones perform just fine.
Even at my home, P6 is basically unusable, while OnePlus has good enough connection (Verizon).
Charging P6 is a bad experience too. Takes forever if phone is being used and gets hot. Overheating is actually a big problem here. I often use video calling and never ever did I have another phone turning off mobile network, because it got too hot, after 40 minutes of talking.
I just got tired of constant bugs and really happy about finally switching to a different phone. Oneplus does not seem to have any of those problems so far. Great cell connection and charging speed is just incredible. Software seems to be fine, have not had any glitches yet. Overall I would highly recommend it over a Pixel 6
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Hi.
Interesting reasons why you want to leave the pixel phone....
1. Pixel 6 is bulky (by your own admission the OnePlus 10 pro is bulkier). I can add you one more; OnePlus 10 pro has a curved screen which, if you are a driver as you claim, is really bad because of accidental touches.
2. Modem ; granted I have some problems with this but from my experience as a user of the pixel 6 this is a problem I had on my esim and seems not to be prevalent on the physical SIM. But that is just me so I think this may be a legitimate concern which for now I do not experience (I travel extensively for work by the way)
3. Bad charging experience. You probably did not buy a proper charger for it. Were you using the specified tech for it? I have been using my pixel 4a 5g charger on the pixel 6 (for obvious reasons that the 6 did not come with one) and the charging was very modest. This charger is 18watts which is not fast charging for the pixel 6. However I went for the recommended PD charger that does 30watts and I am now doing Rapid charging. The pixel does around 23 watt on fast charging and I get very fast speeds with that. But this is probably nothing close to the warp charging on the OnePlus 10 pro but honestly this is not a game changer for me as a person on the move. I have a fast charging car charger which is always ready on the go.
4. Heating: honestly this has happened to me when I used the OnePlus 9 pro and worse when I am on a video call, with the phone charging and having placed it on my dash phone holder holder. If I don't have to hold the phone it is fine with me. The pixel 4a 5g would occassionally go off on me because of temperature increase but this has never happened on the pixel 6.
5. Constant bugs....yeah....this has become like a song for everyone leaving the pixel 6. Honestly I went for the pixel because I know I am on the cutting edge of software and I expect some things not to go well. I have options to change from one OS to another so bugs do not bug me (no pun intended). In any case OnePlus has been known to similarly have bugs. Maybe the OnePlus 10 pro is resting on a conservatively stable software which most likely is not the most recent. Please note that the pixel is not a conservative phone like the OnePlus 10 pro. The system chip is new and not mainstream, backing a groundbreaking AI agenda which is pushing grounds to places where people have not explored before ....this is an adventure into the future of mobile telephony...if you are not the person into adventures and trying new things then the pixel is probably not for you. You will most likely receive the newest updates with newest features never tried on another device and this may break a few things and you have to have the tenacity to wait out the growth with excitememt...otherwise go for a conservative device which may appear to have all the bells and whistles but for me does not whet my appetite
The Pixel 6 BETA hardware train LOLz
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The Pixel 6 BETA hardware train LOLz
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It has always been this way with all of the Google series phones. (Nexus).
New hardware and software on release day. Beta testing in the spring.
Not only that, it teaches peeps the ins and outs of adb/fastboot,terminal, coding android, etc...
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It has always been this way with all of the Google series phones. (Nexus).
New hardware and software on release day. Beta testing in the spring.
Not only that, it teaches peeps the ins and outs of adb/fastboot,terminal, coding android, etc...
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So in essence the expensive device not working is in fact a benefit in disguise ? Joking aside, Im with you to the point of tweaking and such to get things ironed out, us droid freaks love doing that, but I was talking about the many things that don't work correctly out of the box for the Pixel 6 series and its user base of complaints. Perhaps I they are exaggerated.
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So in essence the expensive device not working is in fact a benefit in disguise ? Joking aside, Im with you to the point of tweaking and such to get things ironed out, us droid freaks love doing that, but I was talking about the many things that don't work correctly out of the box for the Pixel 6 series and its user base of complaints. Perhaps I they are exaggerated.
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There are choices. If a person does not like the Pixel. Good for them. But there is no reason to keep on harping negativity.
Or is it that some people just like to complain about anything.
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There are choices. If a person does not like the Pixel. Good for them. But there is no reason to keep on harping negativity.
Or is it that some people just like to complain about anything.
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Good lord, I make an opinion ( based on research )and now its labelled as "harping" ,Opinions are like A holes everyone has one. I was merely asking you as a Pixel owner what are your feelings about this device are you happy , did it bring value into your world?
I've had pixels and OP's for most of the past 5-7 years. Loved the Pixel 3, got a 5 and liked it too but a bit underpowered. Had/still have an OP7T as my "big" phone. With google still offering decent trade-in value I just traded my P5 for a P6 (second go-around with the 6) and it cost less than CAD $500 so no brainer there and I do finally like it now that the most annoying bugs are gone, put a d-brand skin on it to make it less slippery. Was very tempted by OP10+ but I'm pissed with OP's recent (since OP9) lack of focus and their smoke and mirrors BS with the "Hasselblad" camera system etc. Oh, that and it being twice the price of a P6...! So, sticking with Pixels for now. Might go back to OP someday if they stop flip-flopping with hardware for the sake of marketing.
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Been a fanboy of Pixel since Nexus 4. The best models I think would be the original Pixel, Pixel 2 XL and Pixel 5. Good solid phones for my use without any problems that would bother me.
Pixel 5 was great, I kept it even after getting a Pixel 6 and would occasionally pop a sim card in it to use. I don't do any gaming and P5 had everything I needed besides a bit slow processor sometimes.
Pixel 6 on the other side would constantly make me annoyed. Don't like the size, it's bulky. Oneplus is even easier for one hand use even though it's a little bigger overall.
I am a truck driver and go to many different places. The modem in this phone is just horrendous. It loses signal or has bad connection in places where other phones perform just fine.
Even at my home, P6 is basically unusable, while OnePlus has good enough connection (Verizon).
Charging P6 is a bad experience too. Takes forever if phone is being used and gets hot. Overheating is actually a big problem here. I often use video calling and never ever did I have another phone turning off mobile network, because it got too hot, after 40 minutes of talking.
I just got tired of constant bugs and really happy about finally switching to a different phone. Oneplus does not seem to have any of those problems so far. Great cell connection and charging speed is just incredible. Software seems to be fine, have not had any glitches yet. Overall I would highly recommend it over a Pixel 6
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Glad to see your post. I been thinking of going to a One Plus 9 Pro over my Pixel 6.
Hi people, a little greeting from France!
I would have liked to have some information before falling for the Zenfone 9 and i thanks @Nexr0n; I second him with my views on the phone.
Here's my review, figuring it might be useful to others who, like me, spend their time looking at online tests and searching for the best option.
Background:
I came from a Note 9 (snapdragon) but broke the screen and while it still works, the Zenfone 9 was giving me the eye.
I didn't want to change, not finding anything in the landscape that is as qualitative and meets my criteria. Namely: good screen (especially brightness, the 120hZ was a plus, the QHD too), good speakers, a mini-jack port and a good autonomy. The Note 9 has features that are now unavailable: the clickable home button hidden under the screen, the heart sensor, the rear fingerprint reader (I like it), the notification led, etc.
The new Samsung S22 didn't have any jack or SD and despite their great screens, they seemed to me to be a regression on the points mentioned above, minor of course, but which, cumulatively, I didn't like. In particular the autonomy, which everyone thinks is bad.
I had a SONY 5 III in my sights, but the lack of brightness and the price dissuaded me. I couldn't find a new S21 anywhere else than on Rakuten, so I preferred to avoid it.
I went for the Zenfone 9. The + would have been an SD port but I bought this to keep my data (movies, videos) when I need it, not being a big fan of the cloud: https://www.amazon.fr/Essential-Câble-recharge-synchronisation-données/dp/B0917DWGC6/ref=sr_1_1?adgrpid=1348002191584416&hvadid=84250559089415&hvbmt=bp&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=125745&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=p&hvtargid=kwd-84250662755975:loc-66&hydadcr=29650_2344758&keywords=budi&qid=1662197734&sr=8-1
In use:
The positive:
Ultra responsive, on par with an iPhone. Going back to my Note 9 makes me realize that this is where the gap is most pronounced.
Autonomy:
I have 4 Gmail accounts, 1 exchange account, 2 SIM cards and a company email. 2 whatsapp, 2 Facebook, 1 discord. I play between 1 and 2 hours a day (clash royale, Brawl star) and I am at 75%-80% brightness.
I oscillate between 6 and 8h of SOT (related to a 100% battery, but I use the battery saving functions by charging at 80% maximum). On average, I lose 20% of battery for 1h20 of screen on.
The fingerprint reader, fast and reliable (my right thumb, my right index (when my Asus lay on the table and my left index, when i grab it with my left hand.
The recharge :
The block is provided, the cable too, and it is appreciable. The recharge is not at the level of a One Plus or an Oppo of course, but it takes me less than an hour to go from 20% to 80%. That's enough for me.
The sound quality and its power. The Dirac profiles are ... strange, games / video / cinema do not put the voices at the same level. You have to change regularly depending on what you're listening to, but there's bound to be a profile that will fit before you even bother with the equalizer. On the other hand, what they did with the feeling of having real bass (example with " clap your hands " of Kungs is bluffing). The power with the outdoor mode is quite substantial, but I imagined EVEN more and it transforms the sound, which becomes less pleasant and immediately loses the bass.
The Medium:
The screen
I love the size, I appreciate that it is flat, but the maximum brightness is below what I expected based on the advertised numbers. Side by side, while my Note 9 is very marked (I used Waze a lot, I have a huge burn-in), I feel like the samsung is still brighter than the Asus. It is also better defined, even if the white balance is better on the Zenfone side.
As a reminder: Samsung Note 9 for GSMArena (White 100% luminosity: 367 cd/m2 and 658 cd/m2 in max auto) Asus Zenfone 9 (White: 100% luminosity: 449 cd/m2 / 831 in max auto)
The quality of the photos with the native application, oversharpeing everywhere and bad color accuracy. I prefer the Gcam rendering, but we will have to tweak the application because we are not yet at the level of the Pixel !
The power of vibrations. The Note 9 is *vastly* superior
The Software:
ZenUI is less complete than Samsung, with ALL its little cool tricks (the double broadcast of a video on the phone to show something but music on a speaker for the party at the same time! - the integrated Hiya blocker to know if you're being canvassed or if it's spam when you have a call and all the possibilities offered to power users with Nicelock, Multistar, etc. It's missing).
It's related: the brightness bar is poorly done, you have to swipe down twice to get access to it (there is an option on Samsung so that it's not the case). Moreover, the curve is badly thought out, the progressiveness is not smooth enough. The automatic management of brightness is not bad, but not at the level of my Samsung.
But all in all, ZenUI is usefull and with some cool tweaks. I like Game Genie !
Given the power of the phone, I would have liked a "durable" mode that could rather downclock the processor than prevent applications from waking up with the screen off... Asus, if you read me ...
Notifications: this is probably related to the versions of android and the QHD screen but I had a LOT more notifications on a much smaller space on the Samsung, it was really better. With the Asus, every single notification takes up half of my panel ! Is it a toy or a phone ?!
It's not very important for some, but the jack port on the top of the phone is more restrictive than the bottom, as a rule. I sometimes put my headphones on in the car to listen to stuff while the kids are asleep, the wire sticks up over my phone, it's less convenient. When you're walking around town listening to podcasts, taking it out of your pocket and having to use both hands to put it in the right direction to unlock it, that's handling that was unnecessary with the Note. Manipulations that increase the risk of dropping it.
The negative:
Stand by time:
Turning off the internet at night + having checked that nothing is running in the background, I go from 62% to 52% battery between 11pm and 8am... I'll test in airplane mode, but this loss seems huge !
When i play Genshin Impact, not even in performance mode, it runs HOT !
USB 2.0 ? really ? It was not so long to perform a transfer of my 30k photos from my samsung to my Asus but nevertheless, it was nearly painfull ! Thanksfully my 256 go are in UFS 3.1 !
All in all, I find it a bit expensive for what it is although I'm not disappointed. But if I could, I think I would have waited for a smartphone with the Snapdragon 8 gen 2.
Or go back to Samsung on the mid-range to keep a decent screen but benefit from the jack and micro SD.
What is the ideal price that you consider for this smartphone?
I think 699€ for the 8/128 go and 749€ for the 8/256go were a much better deal.
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Je pense que 699€ pour le 8/128 go et 749€ pour le 8/256go étaient une bien meilleure affaire.
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in any case there will always be positive and negative points.
The positive point of this phone is the compact size (that's all I can say because I don't own it)
I will sell my pixel 6 pro to buy this phone.
For the p6pro that I have had since its release I can say these following:
the phone gets hot in normal use (music, YT). I said it heats up not burns....
The photo quality is very good, a little downside as to the telefoto that for me does not make a miracle (unlike the s21 ultra)
here is a short opinion and that engages only me obviously....
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All in all, I find it a bit expensive for what it is although I'm not disappointed. But if I could, I think I would have waited for a smartphone with the Snapdragon 8 gen 2.
Or go back to Samsung on the mid-range to keep a decent screen but benefit from the jack and micro SD.
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I am really puzzled between this ZF9 and Galaxy S22. My favor is towards ZF9 but there is of course a price difference as well. So maybe i would like to hear what would you pick
A new Samsung Galaxy S22 for 630Euro or ZF9 for 760Euro (both 128GB). Cheers.
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I am really puzzled between this ZF9 and Galaxy S22. My favor is towards ZF9 but there is of course a price difference as well. So maybe i would like to hear what would you pick
A new Samsung Galaxy S22 for 630Euro or ZF9 for 760Euro (both 128GB). Cheers.
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If you want better screen and photos in a manageable size with software which can do anything, s22.
Go for the ZF9 for really good battery life, micro jack and cool form factor with ultra snappy experience without stutter.
And if i were you... , i'd wait for the S23
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And if i were you... , i'd wait for the S23
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That was originally my plan, but my current phone Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact is technically dying after 5yrs so urgently need a new phone i think i would give it a try. And will see later what the S23 will bring us. Thanks a lot for you opinion.
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That was originally my plan, but my current phone Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact is technically dying after 5yrs so urgently need a new phone i think i would give it a try. And will see later what the S23 will bring us. Thanks a lot for you opinion.
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Give "it" a try... Which one?
Thanks for the shoutout, I do agree with most of what you're saying but also do have some small fixes/suggestions.
I went for the Zenfone 9. The + would have been an SD port but I bought this to keep my data (movies, videos) when I need it, not being a big fan of the cloud
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I'm also not a big fan of the cloud, what's been working great for me is Syncthing, FOSS peer to peer solution for local file sharing, set it up on your computer or home server if you've got one and you can sync over whatever files you want to it (automatically when there's changes).
Given the power of the phone, I would have liked a "durable" mode that could rather downclock the processor than prevent applications from waking up with the screen off... Asus, if you read me ...
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There is a durable mode, even an "ultra" durable mode. You can find it in the same spot as performance mode or with the "system modes" switch in the pull down drawer.
Notifications: this is probably related to the versions of android and the QHD screen but I had a LOT more notifications on a much smaller space on the Samsung, it was really better. With the Asus, every single notification takes up half of my panel ! Is it a toy or a phone ?!
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There is a smaller notifications option, you do have to pull down the shade for quick actions (pretty seamless with the smart key gesture) but it does fix the problem.
It's not very important for some, but the jack port on the top of the phone is more restrictive than the bottom, as a rule. I sometimes put my headphones on in the car to listen to stuff while the kids are asleep, the wire sticks up over my phone, it's less convenient. When you're walking around town listening to podcasts, taking it out of your pocket and having to use both hands to put it in the right direction to unlock it, that's handling that was unnecessary with the Note. Manipulations that increase the risk of dropping it.
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This only really applies when not charging the phone but you can flip the screen upside down, everything dodges the hole punch well. That's what I've been doing since i agree, bottom jacks are far superior.
Turning off the internet at night + having checked that nothing is running in the background, I go from 62% to 52% battery between 11pm and 8am... I'll test in airplane mode, but this loss seems huge !
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Asus seems to have every standby battery draining feature turned on by default. Once you go in and turn stuff you aren't using off it's noticeable improvement.
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I'm also not a big fan of the cloud, what's been working great for me is Syncthing, FOSS peer to peer solution for local file sharing, set it up on your computer or home server if you've got one and you can sync over whatever files you want to it (automatically when there's changes).
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I dont' want to rely on internet for certain files i want to watch/read/enjoy. But thanks anyway for the tip !
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There is a durable mode, even an "ultra" durable mode. You can find it in the same spot as performance mode or with the "system modes" switch in the pull down drawer.
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Ha ha, you're kind. Please re-read my tought on that because I know, i'm always in "durable mode" ! I'd wanna speak about the effects of this mode.
There is a smaller notifications option, you do have to pull down the shade for quick actions (pretty seamless with the smart key gesture) but it does fix the problem.
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No, it's not a fix at all, but thanks anyway.
This only really applies when not charging the phone but you can flip the screen upside down, everything dodges the hole punch well. That's what I've been doing since i agree, bottom jacks are far superior.
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Good idea, but not all apk are agree to do that, far from that... Thanks anyway.
Asus seems to have every standby battery draining feature turned on by default. Once you go in and turn stuff you aren't using off it's noticeable improvement.
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Thanks man, but i'm a power user, i fined tune my phone. I turn stuff i'm not using... and "do not disturb" AND "airplane mode" AND "clean memory" AND "auto ultra durable mode from 2:00 am to 5:00 am" just before i sleep ... and my Zenfone 9 keeps a pretty bad standby mode at night (~0,5 - 0,8 % /h).
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Thanks man, but i'm a power user, i fined tune my phone. I turn stuff i'm not using... and "do not disturb" AND "airplane mode" AND "clean memory" AND "auto ultra durable mode from 2:00 am to 5:00 am" just before i sleep ... and my Zenfone 9 keeps a pretty bad standby mode at night (~0,5 - 0,8 % /h).
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I lose 3-4% over 8 hours with just DND and Ultra Durable.
Same for me (or even less) with the update now.