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hi guys,
i've just ordered a htc hero on orange and i have 7 days to try it. I will receive it on tuesday, so whilst i'm waiting i have many questions that i would like help with. My computer knowledge is good, but with mobiles i'm almost useless, so apologies if i end up asking questions which may sound pretty straightforward to many of you.
1. The hero will come with orange firmware, but i assume its a lot slower than custom firmwares, so what is the latest and the best known firmware at the moment and what is the procedure on installing it?
2. Since I have 7 days to test out the phone, i want to try it with the latest firmware, but i'm nervous and i want to play it safe and need to protect the original orange firmware, so what is involved in making a FULL BACKUP of the orange firmware and if i decide i want to put the orange firmware back onto the htc, how do i do this?
3. Is there any risk involved in the above procedures where i could mess up the phone and not be able to fix it again?
4. Lastly, if I replaced the phone with the current latest firmware and at a later date Android 2.0 came out, will i be able to upgrade to the latest operating system without problems?
Many thanks again
newbiefone said:
hi guys,
i've just ordered a htc hero on orange and i have 7 days to try it. I will receive it on tuesday, so whilst i'm waiting i have many questions that i would like help with. My computer knowledge is good, but with mobiles i'm almost useless, so apologies if i end up asking questions which may sound pretty straightforward to many of you.
1. The hero will come with orange firmware, but i assume its a lot slower than custom firmwares, so what is the latest and the best known firmware at the moment and what is the procedure on installing it?
2. Since I have 7 days to test out the phone, i want to try it with the latest firmware, but i'm nervous and i want to play it safe and need to protect the original orange firmware, so what is involved in making a FULL BACKUP of the orange firmware and if i decide i want to put the orange firmware back onto the htc, how do i do this?
3. Is there any risk involved in the above procedures where i could mess up the phone and not be able to fix it again?
4. Lastly, if I replaced the phone with the current latest firmware and at a later date Android 2.0 came out, will i be able to upgrade to the latest operating system without problems?
Many thanks again
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1) why would you assume this? Orange dont put anything on there that slows the phone down, only an app for extra orange settings, which i believe takes you to a webpage...
2) read up on this, we cannot type it out every time. look for nandroid. But if you are trying it use the official update method from the orange site.,
3) same question, if you follow instructions you will be fine.,
4) It has been said by HTC that 2.0 will come to the Hero.... again this is plastered all over the forums and I do believe that your a lazy ass for not looking this up yourself.
Barry - it seems that rather than helping your simply having a go at me for asking questions. It might be a straight forward procedure for you, but I clearly stated that i'm a noob when it comes to the understanding of mobile phones. If you don't want to help then simply ignore my thread, rather than throwing insulting comments mate.
1. As for telling me that orange doesn't slowdown the phone, well many forum users tell a different story as they said there is a huge difference in speed between modaco firmware and orange's own version.
2. Nandroid is one of many and people have also mentioned sprite and mybackup which confuses us noobs as to which one is best and simplest one to use.
3. The 3rd question is not the same as no.2 because i'm trying to ask if there is any risk of totally bricking the phone, which might not affect you, but it means that i end up stuck on a 24mth contract with a bricked handset.
4. It seems your simply increasing your post count as you didn't read my question properly....I never asked if HTC 2.0 will come to hero....i asked that if i update to a custom firmware now, will i still be okay in updating to android 2.0 or could i run into problems because i have a different firmware.
Hi Mate,
There's a lot of useful info around these forums though i hate the 'High and mighty' approach a lot of people have around here, i dont know if they get a kick out of it or just generally like being unhelpful and worship the search god.
From my experience the search on this site is almost completely useless as you have to know exactly what it is you're searching for in the first place - and the point is that Noobs dont know what their looking for!
As for help with your questions i'll try my best! I have the Hero on Orange also - just had it for over a month.
1. The Orange Firmware doesn't have the bloat you'd expect - it's pretty much the same as the official HTC firmware bar the Orange boot logo. The reason Modaco is so fast is that it has tweaks and such to make it faster.
2. It's possible to do this - however you'll need to install a Custom Boot Image. I made a quick guide for someone else here :- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4868874#post4868874
The custom image will allow you to do a Nandroid backup of the currently installed ROM and it can also be restored - however the Orange Rom can also be downloaded from the orange website too and installed if needed using the RUU that coms with it.
3. There's always a risk when flashing firmwares and such. If the instructions are followed then generally you should be ok but theres always the small chance of something unexpected happening.
4. If i understand the question correctly - then yes you are able to install the latest official firmware when it's released. Though i hear that the latest official firmwares have been harder to 'Root' - maybe someone else could clarify.
Anyway i hope these answer your questions - and i'm 99% sure you'll be sticking with the Hero - from my first Month with it, i find it's the best phone i've ever had. Yes i've even owned 'one of them iThingys'.
Just for info I'm running Amon Ra's recover Image 1.2.3, the Modaco 2.8 rom with the Teknologist 1.8 kernel.
Cheers
Paul
thank u so much paul. Mate thats all i was asking for and thank goodness someone like u is here to help us noobs on the forum..ur an asset to this forum..keep up the good work.
I've just received the hero around 5 mins ago and i'm gonna play about with it to see if there even is the need to update the rom and will let u know how i get on.
I'm worried of scratching my touch screen, so my question is that can i get hold of a cover or something that can protect it?
Cheers mate...much appreciate it
No worries mate - glad to help people, shame most people round here find it such a chore.
I've been using my Hero for just over a month and havn't protected it with anything. I always take care to slip it into an empty pocket.
From what others are saying the screen is made of gass and quite resistant to scratches - obviously scraping car keys down it isn't the best idea but i'm sure itll be ok if you take a bit of care with it.
I also hear the response of the screen is lowered if a protector is added. Take a look on the Hero Accessories forum, there may be a thread on there about covers / cases and such.
Cheers
Paul
my problem is that i have 2 mobiles in one pocket and that sometimes means i end up putting my house keys in the same pocket too. The reason i have to have a phone in my trouser pocket is because i'm deaf in both ears and unless the phone is ultra loud, i can't hear it, so the only alert is when the phone vibrates in my pocket.
People recommend either the flexishield or the invisibleshield, don't know wot to go for, lol.
Also the htc unlock button should only be the one on the most right, yet if i press home button, that too unlocks it..is there any way of disabling this or altering the button combination?
To be fair, most trousers / jeans have 4 pockets. If you want to scratch all of your stuff, put both phones and your keys in one pocket. If you want to keep them nice, use some of your 3 spare pockets. At the end of the day, it's a £400 phone - treat it as such and it will reward you by staying nice and shiny.
true, but its not just keys that can do the damage mate...i'm a cable installer and my work involves crouching, bending, lying down and the worry is that the trousers stretch and crack or damage the screen, so some case or screen protector would be nice to have.
Some people say that the touch sense doesn't respond well, but i tried to use the touch with its original screen protecter sticker which comes with it when orange sends it and it works fine.
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true, but its not just keys that can do the damage mate...i'm a cable installer and my work involves crouching, bending, lying down and the worry is that the trousers stretch and crack or damage the screen, so some case or screen protector would be nice to have.
Some people say that the touch sense doesn't respond well, but i tried to use the touch with its original screen protecter sticker which comes with it when orange sends it and it works fine.
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Well it sounds like you'd need a case to keep it protected in your situations. I'm sure there's loads of options available. Either that or just leave it out of harms way
How are you finding the Hero now you've had it for a few days now?
@newbiephone Belt mounted case is what is needed.
hi paul mate,
i think the screen protection is the last of my worries
i have the following issues which i don't know how to address:-
1. Low reception - after reading up, i switched off 3g and this increased the reception, but only slightly.
2. contacts / people list - I have exported 350+ contacts from nokia e75 into a CSV file. Then i imported it into google mail and now i synced the HTC with google and this allowed me to download the contacts list. However the contact's numbers are all classed as additional "notes" rather than numbers. I hope i don't have to manually type in 350 contacts!
3. Is there a more simple dialpad that you can recommend? I hate the htc one.
Hi Newbiefone
Can I just say something here that will satisfy all your worries!!!
You wont be wanting to return the Hero after 7 days because it is a quality phone....
Before long you`ll be installing roms, themes, apps galore.
Plus we`ve all got Android 2.0 to look forward to too....
lol, thanks for the positive comments mate, but these are not worries mate, but problems that need diagnosing and solving. I'm sure one these are solved, my htc will stay with me hopefully forever! ROFLOL!
Oops sorry newbie my post was in relation to your first post!
Only just seen your last post..
I sync my contacts with outlook. Can you not import them into there with your csv files and then sync your hero with outlook?
I have seen may posts about problems with contacts and syncing.
To be honest ive not had one problem with it the way i do it..
If you have any more questions just give us a shout. Had my hero since the day it was launched on Orange.
Ah Newbie just been thinking there is a dialpad out there that ive seen. Just cant think of the name lol...
Christ maybe i should think before i type!
A question for one of your questions. Have you tried the latest radio firmware?
Mine and my girlfriends Hero signal are both poor but we do live an airaid shelter!!
Johnny boy your a STAR!!! If you were a girl, i'd kiss u, lol!!
I exported from nokia pc suite straight to outlook and then used HTC SYNC Manager to synchronise calender and contact its done it perfectly!! Thank u so much!
Right what do u mean by the radio firmware? I currently have the latest orange firmware and was adviced not to mess around with that firmware by someone on the forums as i'm still in my 7 days exchange warranty with orange.
Now how about that dialpad name?
LOL oh i`m glad it worked. I dont know why people have so many problems sorting out their contacts on here. Ive seen many a story about syncing problems. I just think this way is so easy i dont know why everyone doesnt do it this way. Ah well never mind at least ive helped someone.
Mmm best leave radio firmware then till you decide to keep it.
Dial pad now thats a tricky one i had a quick look and couldnt find it.
I`m happy with the stock one so i didnt pay much attention to it. Maybe i should have lol!
newbiefone said:
Johnny boy your a STAR!!! If you were a girl, i'd kiss u, lol!!
I exported from nokia pc suite straight to outlook and then used HTC SYNC Manager to synchronise calender and contact its done it perfectly!! Thank u so much!
Right what do u mean by the radio firmware? I currently have the latest orange firmware and was adviced not to mess around with that firmware by someone on the forums as i'm still in my 7 days exchange warranty with orange.
Now how about that dialpad name?
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the reason many people have problems mate is because many import/export the more difficult way via CSV, then google then HTC and if the CSV is messed, then it won't work, but outlook seems to import data perfectly.
If you can't help with a dialpad program, how about like a contacts grid? The Favourites one takes up too much space and only can add a verticle list...if i'm gonna use the whole screen, then i might as well have at least 9 contacts or more at the same time, rather than 3 at a time.
I was told when I got my EVO 3D that when I logged into the market place with my Google email every app I previously had on my EVO would download to my new EVO and it didn't happen and I didn't care if it did or not cause I have app brain market and used that to get most of the apps back that I wanted. And some apps on my EVO I didn't want on the 3D.
Well Now I have the new Prime just got it today and I wanted to use my same Gmail as I do on my phone and now every app is downloading and I don't want them all on my tablet. I reset the tablet and then when I put in my gmail and the tablet came up every app that is on my EVO 3D is downloading. I have several apps I don't even want on this tablet. Isn't there a way to make them not all download? Is it a marketplace setting? I can't seem to find it and if I have to I guess I'll just have to go and uninstall all the ones I don't want but there is a bunch. I would rather just install a couple apps at a time that I know I want.
Also lots of people have Ice Cream mine says no updates available. I read is was coming out on the 12th so maybe I will get it tomorrow. I didn't want to set things up till I got updates but mine didn't update anything. I went under firmware update and nothing. Thanks!
I do not know much about the Market ... the only thing I know of is that you could turn off Allow Automatic Updates for each app. That would probably stop it. Lots of work, though.
As far as I know, every U.S. Prime received their update a few days ago...
Since you just got your Prime, perhaps you already have ICS? What is your Android version number under Settings | About Tablet | Android version? If it begins with 4, you are set. Otherwise, you checked Settings | About Tablet | System Firmware Update and clicked the Check Update button, right?
No I'm version 3. something already checked last night. And Asus was actually open late and he said there was nothing I could do. He said I would probably get Ice Cream in a day or two but he also said that once you put in your Google account all apps will download automatically from the market he said there is no way to stop it. He said I'll just have to uninstall the ones I don't want which I did most of them now so I guess I'll be ok. I have to get amazon app store next and then I'll have more to install but those I can pick and choose which ones I want out of all my free apps of the day. I checked the Market to about un checking auto updates but I wanted it for all apps but I didn't see it. So everyone who has an Android phone and uses there same Gmail gets all there apps on the tablet i'm guessing? Now I am confused a little on what apps came with the phone and what are mine that I had on my phone. LOL! Oh well It wasn't so bad deleting the ones I didn't want. There wasn't as many as I thought. I just have lots of games and I am not sure how some will look on here. Nice Tablet though I love it. Thanks!
tedr108 said:
I do not know much about the Market ... the only thing I know of is that you could turn off Allow Automatic Updates for each app. That would probably stop it. Lots of work, though.
As far as I know, every U.S. Prime received their update a few days ago...
Since you just got your Prime, perhaps you already have ICS? What is your Android version number under Settings | About Tablet | Android version? If it begins with 4, you are set. Otherwise, you checked Settings | About Tablet | System Firmware Update and clicked the Check Update button, right?
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There is a way.
Actually, there is a way to stop the apps from downloading, but be careful with it. I inadvertently found it when my 170 apps were downloading, and I wanted to interupt them to get an update (pre-ICS) If you go into Market while they are downloading, at the top left you will see "STOP x121" (or whatever number is left to DL. Hit that and they stop. Forever. I had to go back and manualy grab over 100 apps after doing so. Ugh. You think deleing was bad, LOL!
Anyway, a good thing to know if you have multiple devices. Whats weird is, they would not show anymore on the Prim as apps that I have, just on phone. If you go to the web site for Market, you can see whats what, but STILL cannot delete old devices. They have at least 15 divices I no longer own, and you can hide, but not delete... ONE DEVICE. Is Google that retarded that they don't know people buy lots of devices these days?
By the way, it looks like they took down the update to ICS for a while, a thread showed people not getting it, with one exception in New York. Maybe they fixed the rebooting issue and screen issues, but then I would expect to see a new update for mine. Just hang in, and keep manually checking, but first make SURE you see a serial number in Device Status. If not you are SOL, and will need Asus or the store to replace your Prime. There are WAY too many of those out there. Asus did a plain ****ty job rolling these out, as everyone agrees.
I know I went to the Marketplace website I went there to see about disabling everything from downloading. I saw my EVO my EVO 3D my Archos and now this and saw where I couldn't delete. But anyway worked out OK for me to just delete what I didn't want on my tablet. I am guessing it downloaded every app. I found the Amazon app store APK and emailed it to my gmail and now I got a few more apps from there that I wanted. I didn't want all those neither but I got to choose those.
I was up so late messing with this last night and I got up early to mess with it again. I am familiar with Android and HTC Phones but not this tablet. I don't even know how to change my background yet or add an app or widget to screen I long pressed and something else came up. I'll figure it all out though. Oh and I have an 8 gig card that came with my phone I put a 16 in my phone but I wasn't gonna put it in since I was gonna order this 32 gig online for like 28 bucks. I have an app app2SD and it's showing me apps that can be moved sd card but I don't have a card in there yet but everyone's saying you can't move apps. I am wondering if it will let me with this app once I put a card in?
SmartAs$Phone said:
Actually, there is a way to stop the apps from downloading, but be careful with it. I inadvertently found it when my 170 apps were downloading, and I wanted to interupt them to get an update (pre-ICS) If you go into Market while they are downloading, at the top left you will see "STOP x121" (or whatever number is left to DL. Hit that and they stop. Forever. I had to go back and manualy grab over 100 apps after doing so. Ugh. You think deleing was bad, LOL!
Anyway, a good thing to know if you have multiple devices. Whats weird is, they would not show anymore on the Prim as apps that I have, just on phone. If you go to the web site for Market, you can see whats what, but STILL cannot delete old devices. They have at least 15 divices I no longer own, and you can hide, but not delete... ONE DEVICE. Is Google that retarded that they don't know people buy lots of devices these days?
By the way, it looks like they took down the update to ICS for a while, a thread showed people not getting it, with one exception in New York. Maybe they fixed the rebooting issue and screen issues, but then I would expect to see a new update for mine. Just hang in, and keep manually checking, but first make SURE you see a serial number in Device Status. If not you are SOL, and will need Asus or the store to replace your Prime. There are WAY too many of those out there. Asus did a plain ****ty job rolling these out, as everyone agrees.
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Don't worry, you will figure it all out!
PHP:
Rose4uKY said:
I know I went to the Marketplace website I went there to see about disabling everything from downloading. I saw my EVO my EVO 3D my Archos and now this and saw where I couldn't delete. But anyway worked out OK for me to just delete what I didn't want on my tablet. I am guessing it downloaded every app. I found the Amazon app store APK and emailed it to my gmail and now I got a few more apps from there that I wanted. I didn't want all those neither but I got to choose those.
I was up so late messing with this last night and I got up early to mess with it again. I am familiar with Android and HTC Phones but not this tablet. I don't even know how to change my background yet or add an app or widget to screen I long pressed and something else came up. I'll figure it all out though. Oh and I have an 8 gig card that came with my phone I put a 16 in my phone but I wasn't gonna put it in since I was gonna order this 32 gig online for like 28 bucks. I have an app app2SD and it's showing me apps that can be moved sd card but I don't have a card in there yet but everyone's saying you can't move apps. I am wondering if it will let me with this app once I put a card in?
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Sounds like me my first few days on the Original Transformer. I was like.. Huh? Cause quite a few things are different from the phone version. I remember specifically the add Widget/app screens, and wasn't sure what I was looking at either, LOL. Even more after ICS udate, but for that you can just go to android.com and get a full feature list, and I believe Engadget has a nice review and list of fun stuff to do. It's more evolutionary than revolutionary, and MOST of what makes it so good is not apparent from the top level interface. It's only when you discover things like swipe to clear recent/running apps and swipe to clear notifications that you start to really admire it.
Hey, anyone know if Asus removed "Swipe to close browser tabs" like they removed the unlock with your Face/camera thing? I haven't been able to do it, but then again, no where do they show you what, specifically to swipe! I have swiped the tab, the title bar, the window, and everything else on screen, to no avail. I must be a bad swiper!
The screen you see after long press is how you add apps, widgets and shortcuts to any of the 5 Desktops (Home Screens, whatever) Yo can hold, then drag to screens or tap and they auto move to whichever screen you came from into the tool.
When you get upgraded to ICS, you can add stuff to Home Screens by just going to Apps, and hold/drag apps and theres a tab for Widgets as well. Heck, take your time. The "discovery" part of all this is the most fun I have, and once you know it all, THATS when it gets boring, so have fun.
BTW, did you check if your serial number shows in "settings, About Tablet, Status?" You need to check that ASAP as it determines if your will get ANY updates, and the only resolution I have heard of is exchenge of hardware. Let us know if you are okay in that regard.
Also if you are on the fence about getting the keyboard, get off the fence and get on the web and order it. It's not 100% perfect, but it is truly an amazing piece, as it was with the OG Transformer, and if anything types BETTER, in spite of it's thinness. The additional battery life ALONE is worth it, but with the shortcut keys, trackpad, ports, and how it becomes one wth the tablet, I can't understand ANYONE who DOESN'T get it.
A guy at work let me attach it to my tablet with the OG, and where I had been "thinking about it" before, I ORDERED it, like 10 minutes later, LOL!
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Also if you are on the fence about getting the keyboard, get off the fence and get on the web and order it. It's not 100% perfect, but it is truly an amazing piece, as it was with the OG Transformer, and if anything types BETTER, in spite of it's thinness. The additional battery life ALONE is worth it, but with the shortcut keys, trackpad, ports, and how it becomes one wth the tablet, I can't understand ANYONE who DOESN'T get it.
A guy at work let me attach it to my tablet with the OG, and where I had been "thinking about it" before, I ORDERED it, like 10 minutes later, LOL!
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+1 -- the dock/keyboard is amazing IMO. Without the dock, the Prime is just a very good tablet (with a few issues, of course), but, with the keyboard, it's a whole nother beast. I do wonder how users with big, wide fingers do on the keyboard, however ... luckily, my fingers are thin.
What do you mean by swiping to close things? I don't even know how to get to your recent apps. I know about swyping with keyboards. But your saying swipe to close browser tabs and swipe to clear recent apps I don't even know how to get to recent apps. I think it's next to the home button on the right but I have to hit hard to make it close where I see the x you can't just tap it I have to press down on it. But I am guessing that's my most recent apps there and I think it's hard to push the X.
And yes I went under about tablet and status and I do see a serial number in the box. Oh and now it says I have an update check notifications. Is it not like your phone where you can swipe down the notifications window? Now I can't find where to go to Notifications. But yeah I think I will get the dock here soon when I have money. I am always near a plug and don't really need the extra battery but the full USB is kind of nice cause I have a flash drive I put movies on. But for now I'll wait. I did order a case and now I want a clear screen protector and a clear back cover protector and I don't know who to buy from. But Ok thanks for helping me I have to find my notifications window now. LOL!
Edit: I found it you click on the right bottom corner mine was showing me all my downloads and as I started xing them out I saw the firmware update but my battery is on 14% and says battery is getting low. I read the 1st few times I need to fully depleted and fully charge it is that correct? So I need to wait and let it go from 14 to powering off? And i have one more question this my Cloud it says I need a desktop app to access my desktop remotley from tablet is that from anywhere? Like at work I can access a movie or song on my PC. I have Audio Galaxy now that does that but it's only music. I want to take a recorded Tivo show and be able to download it to PC and watch it from tablet cause there big files cause of being in HD. Thanks! (Now it let me swipe app to close after ICS update)
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PHP:
It's more evolutionary than revolutionary, and MOST of what makes it so good is not apparent from the top level interface. It's only when you discover things like swipe to clear recent/running apps and swipe to clear notifications that you start to really admire it.
Hey, anyone know if Asus removed "Swipe to close browser tabs" like they removed the unlock with your Face/camera thing? I haven't been able to do it, but then again, no where do they show you what, specifically to swipe! I have swiped the tab, the title bar, the window, and everything else on screen, to no avail. I must be a bad swiper!
BTW, did you check if your serial number shows in "settings, About Tablet, Status?" You need to check that ASAP as it determines if your will get ANY updates, and the only resolution I have heard of is exchenge of hardware. Let us know if you are okay in that regard.
Also if you are on the fence about getting the keyboard, get off the fence and get on the web and order it. It's not 100% perfect, but it is truly an amazing piece, as it was with the OG Transformer, and if anything types BETTER, in spite of it's thinness. The additional battery life ALONE is worth it, but with the shortcut keys, trackpad, ports, and how it becomes one wth the tablet, I can't understand ANYONE who DOESN'T get it.
A guy at work let me attach it to my tablet with the OG, and where I had been "thinking about it" before, I ORDERED it, like 10 minutes later, LOL!
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Well, GOTTA LOVE THIS!
so i just spent about an hour and a half typing in a complete breakdown of everything i noticed about a new TP i had been deliberating on opening due to days of reading posts about the negatives and lo and behold I decide to open it and type a HUGE report about everything that I have noticed through the few hours i've had it working and i decided to yeah post it even adding "now watch as it deletes this whole thing" so i decide to CTRL+A and copy...
DONT DO THAT! apparantly it ONLY copies the outlying information not in this box where i'm typing now and when i tried to submit it, it says i'm not logged in... well i tried logging in and ctrl V and bam it gives me the top portion of the thread page FML first MAJOR issue with the damn tab is a PEBCAK but w/e we only learn from mistakes sometimes. i will be posting a long thread about the things that i've come across with this device for any people out there who are on the fence regarding this new TP with the current serial number in the champagne style.
sadly i'd covered GPS, WIFI, the docking station issues, serial number location, installed version of AOS, and about 6 other topics that my bloodpressure currently will not let me remember bleh.
so since this thread is for anyone with any questions on a C10KAS model with the champagne style keyboard please feel free to ask below. i will be typing up a new post and saving it on my asus laptop when i get time again later and try to cover all the topics i did in the original post.
This device has NOT been upgraded past the installed 3.2.1 and wont until all queries have been addressed so as to help the majority of the users and possible future users come to decissions before irreversible changes have occurred.
sorry to sound flaming a bit but man am i ticked that i actually TRIED to save the darn thing and it still backfired, but se la vie and such is my lot in life. now i'll try to post this and hopefully find that it works
Trying Again...
Running by the [Guide] by Danny-B- i'm going to open this thread for the community to have the opportunity to ask away about the new TP i decided to finally open after watching it sit ever so quietly on my home-office desk.
Light Bleed
I noticed a very small amount of light bleed, barely any that would concern anyone really, thankfully i'd say functionally it's on par with what it should be.
Dead Pixels
None noticeable on moderate searching.
Serial Number -found?
Yep, it has the serial number registered so that's a plus.
GPS Reception
Nope. I used the QR code to get GPS Test and it shows a working compass and tilt sensor but all the readouts stayed zeroes for the 25 minutes i left it to run. I only have "Use GPS Satellites" ticked off in the location menu to test this, but also have to take into account that the test was performed indoors due to the fact that it's been snowing and raining all day so that in itself could be why the GPS function didnt work... Will retest when the weather is clear and i can get a good sky view.
*edit* crystal clear day today, not a cloud in the sky, not a gram of gps connection. i really dont need this but at least i know that the gps definitely doesn't work.
Wifi Reception
MIFI located up to 60 feet from device, since device will be in my pocket most of the time, the device should have no problems finding the signal as it's going to be only a foot or two from the tablet. Didn't notice any lag or lapse in the connectivity, it still worked Words With Friends as far as i can tell and that's the only program i will have installed aside from the QR Droid program for the testing of these issues. I did notice that the wifi signal was good but the quality of the rendering of youtube left me hoping for more, but the weather can play a huge role in this so i'm not too concerned and i can try this out moreso on a day when there's less inclement weather.
Dock/Keyboard Connection
Have to mention that the dock i purchased prior to getting the TP and i was very lucky to have gotten matching (both champagne models) as i wasnt sure what kind of tab was coming in the mail seeing as how they were pretty much recalled from every store i'd visited.
On my first attempt i was a little wary seeing as how the keyboard didnt seem to like the champ model so as i opened the box i was thinking this can still be a partial deal-breaker so we'll see.
Try #1 it pressed in and i heard a ding from the machine. no cursor opened i use the touch screen to open up the notepad and i can type, all the buttons and numbers worked but no cursor... curses! I undocked it.
Try #2 it pressed in and i gave it a little bit more oomph to see if that would help and i heard a satisfying "click" the cursor appeared it worked and i tried typing all buttons functioned properly.
Try #3 same thing, little oomph, click, cursor. so for this one, the matching champ models function properly when i give it a little extra push in until i hear a slight click.
Gyroscope
Up, Down, Left, Right, B A Start... anyway, all the directions worked and it grades in the GPS Test program down to a 2-4 degree reading so i'm fairly certain i will not have any issues with this part of the device.
Battery Conditioning
I charged it for the 8 hours, then plugged in the keyboard during the testing phase and left it plugged in until the keyboard battery read full. I have yet to test the quality of the battery life with and without the keyboard but I will keep you informed if this seems to be an issue as opposed to a non-issue
*update* well the dock is the primary source of the energy as it's supposed to be and it's been in full use browsing this forum and posting for 3 hours and it has gone down by only 25% ... i currently am HIGHLY impressed with the battery life.
Haptic Feedback
I got a mallard. Yes, i was thinking how could this thing sound like a duck but lo and behold the first time i turned it on i heard an audible "quack" to put it bluntly. I dont see this bothering me in the long run unless the vibration against the case's rear housing causes an issue with other parts, though the only time that i've noticed any haptic vibration is when powering it on. I dont notice any when typing on the screen or making selections so that may be switched off in the settings, i honestly havent played with any of the settings yet since i have only tried getting through the [GUIDE] piece by piece trying out things.
Firmware Updates
I will not be updating this until any questions members have, have died out. I wanted to create this thread so that everyone has the chance to ask questions about the Champagne model out of the box that runs 3.2.1. I do plan on updating to ICS in the near future but I also wanted people to get an idea of what this unit did straight-away. This model's serial is the C10KAS and came from Texas through an Office Depot "gmill" warehouse... an "other than the normal" warehouse per the store manager... who i had to finesse to get her to really try to locate one of these guys fyi.
Summary
I feel that i touched on a few more notes when i originally typed in this thread, but for the life of me i can't remember anything else to put in here.
The tablet is very responsive, Words with Friends gets a slight lag from time to time, but i'm not too worried about any gaming issues since this will be a work-related device and gaming is just a bonus if done at all.
I did notice that there is a minor lag when typing here in this box on the tab but i think that is to be expected as i noticed similar on my RAZR MAXX, Galaxy Nexus, and 4s.
Please, feel free to ask any questions or make any comments regarding this post. I want it to be as informative as possible to any people who have questions about a new TP before they are pretty much impossible to get.
interesting new development with internet
ok so here's a strange new development i've just noticed...
ANY link i click on, even to get to a new page of threads or to click reply...
ALL of them suddenly switched from opening within the original tab and moving on to the new page to now opening a separate tab on their own. i haven't done anything new with the tab, this all started just while accessing these forums on their own. i've tried a long press on them and select OPEN instead of OPEN IN NEW TAB, but everything keeps opening in new tabs, now i'm full of tabs on my screen.
any ideas on this one? strange how it would just stop working the way it was and start working this way all on it's own while just browsing this site. idk, i'm open to any suggestions.
*update* after clearing the cache and cookies it seems to have fixed this issue. nothing opens in new tabs now... im guessing it can only store so much before it forces you to new tab everything. just an fyi to everyone
Must.... try... to... resist.... ....Too .....STRONG.....!!!!
Well at least I have to say there it is now a posted answer for everyone asking how the new primes are running they are running the same. I have the C10k******* and its running about the same if not worse than my old Gray model, that was sent back about a month ago, because of the same issues. They aint going to get any better until Asucks fixes them, bottom line. Yeah there might be some that run perfect but you are the "Lucky Few" believe that. Us guys with the "this don't work models, were just screwed". well not actually I'm sending mine back and trying again. Or you can or deal with that issue that your prime has.
Mine has slight light bleed and poor WiFi, should I keep it? Still debating I got 14 days. But like I said in another post these will probably be easy refurbs to pick up soon. Asus probably has a full warehouse full of returned units, I believe my last unit I bought brand new sealed in box was a returned unit, I don't believe they are allowed to do this but I think they do in MY opinion. I don't think they are going to let a tablet that looks brand spanking new with just a WiFi issue sit there. lose $100-200 selling it as refurbished.
I believe they are boxing them back out and selling them as new. You wouldn't be able to tell, would you? All they got to do is clean it up real nice restore it put in new box, shrink wrap it again and, there are 100 brand new ones shipping to Best Buy as new. Then maybe they will get lucky and the person really doesn't know much about it, when they get it and they like it some much, it looks stunning, they can get a good signal in their bedroom, so they keep it. I'm telling you they are doing shady ****. Look at how they are treating us, a big F-U.
I know people who are giving it right back to them buying every model they find at the store if it doesn't work PERFECT. They are taking it back I know people that are on model 6 or 7 at least 5 or 6 people.
Where are all their refurbs selling at? I bet their return pile looks like a junkyard, That aint even funny for real. Asucks used to be a good company. They don't hold up to their standards anymore.
ASUS
JUST IN CASE SOMEONE FROM ASUCKS COMES BY, I IMAGINE THEY DO, WITH ALL THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS TABLET.
I THINK SOMEONE LIKE TEGRA OR GOOGLE ANDROID SHOULD BE ON THEIR ASS FOR THIS, REALLY TEGRA SHOULD BE MAD AS HELL.
JUST FIX THE PRIMES DO WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING, ITS THE BEST OPTION. IF NOT YOUR JUNKYARD IS GOING TO GET BIGGER AND BIGGER. AND DON'T BE SELLING ME SOMEONE ELSE'S USED SH*T, AS BRAND NEW.
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ASUS
JUST IN CASE SOMEONE FROM ASUCKS COMES BY, I IMAGINE THEY DO, WITH ALL THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS TABLET.
I THINK SOMEONE LIKE TEGRA OR GOOGLE ANDROID SHOULD BE ON THEIR ASS FOR THIS, REALLY TEGRA SHOULD BE MAD AS HELL.
JUST FIX THE PRIMES DO WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING, ITS THE BEST OPTION. IF NOT YOUR JUNKYARD IS GOING TO GET BIGGER AND BIGGER. AND DON'T BE SELLING ME SOMEONE ELSE'S USED SH*T, AS BRAND NEW.
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Erm, it's nVidia (or tegra as you seem to want to call them) that are providing the code that is f#cking up the Prime. Just thought you should know.
Wondering if the setting for Automatic screen brightness is bad for you all? What im talking about is that my screen brightness is not changing accordingly to light/dark environment, it's basically always on medium. Can my phone be broken or is this normal?
Also experience screen drop outs where it's stop responding to touch input, it sits like that for short period of time and will start responding again. It seems not like a frequent problem but happens now and again since I bought it last week.
Last but not least, im experiencing some forms....in lack of words, "processor" straining if I have all 20 Xbox games installed and a lot of apps and music. Seems that the less memory the more chopy everything become. Even with a lot removed from storage and having, like 7GB free its a bit choppy, but the problem will increase expanding to less increased memory. Just open Games and looking at the avatar you can see lagg in his movments. I feely like with a clean phone I never saw that.
Now worth noting is I am VERY picky when it comes to lagg/choppiness/Screen flickerings. This phone is brand new and I come from a Omnia 7. While surfing the Webb is a incredible experience, its so smooth, I feel that start menu scrolling, avatar movements etc is choppy and almost, as bad? as a first gen device. Game performance seems to be better on the Titan compared to my old Omnia 7. But on a lot of areas it seems my Omnia 7 is on par with the Titan. This is a new gen device, shouldn't I experience a lot of difference.
Now, anybody got some thoughts about this? Any feedback/help is appreciated.
Best regards
Me
The amount of used/free storage has very little to do with the performance of the phone. More than likely, its simply the phone needing to download and load data that is causing some of the stuttering you are seeing, which is the most common culprit of performance hiccups. The storage memory is not the same thing as the memory used to run the phone/apps/games. A common misconception.
Slow data connections/downloads in combination with the inability for the phone to load all your information instantly is probably the lag you are seeing (or even, the phone IS trying to load all your data at once). It is more apparent in 3rd party apps, but its the same as any device trying to load data.
If it really is to the point where its unbearable, it may very well be that your device is defective. I don't have any major issues with freezing/stuttering/lag on any of my Windows Phone devices. Its a bit more noticeable on my 1st gen devices, but its largely eliminated on my 2nd gen devices. A little bit of stuttering here and there is completely normal for any device though.
Thnx for the input. I can't tell what's the reason behind it, but my Omnua was the same. To many Tiles and the start screen will get choppy etc.
Nobody have any trouble with the screen brightness and phone freezing for a short period? Many small things I never noticed on my Omnia 7, and I thought that phone wasn't all there. If all small problems is here in scared for the survival of WP if phones get worse. If there to. Ompete with Apple plz give solid performance.... I feel disappointed :'(
I've a ton of live tiles and no start screen lag. Maybe your device is defective?
or maybe my standards are 2 high. It can't be a coincidence that my Omnia 7, Lumia 800 and now my Titan is doing the same thing...but that is a WP7 issue. Currently is automatic screen brightness my worst concerns, and if dark room or sunlight don't really change on your phones, then I know its a standard Titan issue, if not, I need to send it back for repairs. And maybe the screen freezing I have is connected to the sensor is broken. I have no clue so .....if you cover your phones top, or put a strong light on it, does your brightness change?
screen freezing should probably be more accurately be called screen drop out, like its disconnected some how. Haven't happend for 1-2 days now.
I remember my old HD2 was reported with broken screens as a flaw and people had to send in a lot of there devices before it was fixed. Kind of scared its typical bad HTC quality playing its thing?
Autobrightness - known bug
Screen stutter - tried SRS-off?
Start screen lag - ghosting
Screen drop - lock-unlock screen, known bug for some handsets.
It's all in the sticky of FAQs.
I can fill my screen with tons of tiles too and get absolutely no lag.
I think really the best way for any of us to tell you whether or not the type of lag you are experiencing is normal would be to take video. Use the phone as you normally would, take some video of you doing it, and clearly we should be able to see any weird lag issues.
But again, a little bit of lag, on any device, is totally normal. It may be that you are just too picky. I imagine that using Android would totally kill you since the lag there gets out of hand at times.
Problem is, while you may think its Windows Phone in general because it has happened to the last 3 of your devices, the rest of us here experience little to no lag with our devices, which would rule out that it is just a Windows Phone problem. It may be the way you set your phone up that it causing some kind of lag, totally possible, since everyone sets up their device in different ways. And more than likely, you have set your phone up a certain way every time you move to a new device, because that's just how you set it up.
Thanx for all the great input and maybe im just picky.
Great FAQ thread, sorry for not seeing it, but I would give you the tip to rename it to somthing more...boring? :-D. All I saw was FAQ and noob and then my interest was gone, sorry for that, usually see em and they always rock so thnx for a nice post. As a naming tip. FAQ: HTC TITAN: current Information/issues/solutions.
Maybe just me but in sorry i missed your FAQ. Keep upp the work and nice to know its basically HTC screwing up again, when will they learn. (Miss my Omnia 7)
also, feel free to delete this thread if you consider name change ...lol, just trying to be kind and frank.
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Thanx for all the great input and maybe im just picky.
Great FAQ thread, sorry for not seeing it, but I would give you the tip to rename it to somthing more...boring? :-D. All I saw was FAQ and noob and then my interest was gone, sorry for that, usually see em and they always rock so thnx for a nice post. As a naming tip. FAQ: HTC TITAN: current Information/issues/solutions.
Maybe just me but in sorry i missed your FAQ. Keep upp the work and nice to know its basically HTC screwing up again, when will they learn. (Miss my Omnia 7)
also, feel free to delete this thread if you consider name change ...lol, just trying to be kind and frank.
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No problem mate! I've changed it
I think HTC din't just mess up in general. It was the first batch (Oct/Nov purchases) that had the most issues and plenty with ATT. In the UK if you got something from first batch off CarPhone Warehouse - you would see those freezes and lags. However, I swapped mine just before December and no issues after that. The ghosting is common with ALL HTCs. Android, Windows - doesn't matter. It's their S-LCD/LCD screens.
hehe okay. Just bought mine of Expansys and they were waiting to get em in to stock so was hoping to skip first wave. Any ways to see which rendition I have? Hmm I will go to the FAQ after your reply so delite this thread in awhile then, its no good when there is a FAQ, especially as good as the one there is.
Hi all! I am on the latest OTA (9.4.2.28) and rooted. I have some annoying bugs with my screen that screen shots cannot capture and they are hard to explain in words too.. Basically I notice them primarily on using two PDF reading apps.. and sometimes when I quickly sleep and wake the screen up..
Some Background:
One bug causes the whole screen output (icons, system bar etc.) to move a few pixels up and then down over and over in a jittery motion and I have found no way to cure it other than a reboot.
The other bug causes the screen to generate jagged noisy lines like you may see on an old CRT TV especially with a very poor analog signal... And this happens mostly while using the PDF apps... And rarely I noticed this happening system wide.
Now I am confused as to whether this is a software bug or a hardware bug. If a software bug, then installing some Custom ROM may help. If hardware then I wish to return this and get an Infinity pad as others tried as I just can't accept the fact that a $500 tablet struggles to display PDFs, which is one of the "main" reasons I bought it... In fact, I am put off by its troublesome PDF viewing bugs and so I don't make use of it so often... and whenever I do end up reading PDFs on it, I face this issue! Not a fun way to enjoy my tablet I paid for (and I am a student so that money wasn't so easy to part with... )
Main Question Starts:
So, long story short, I have decided to do a factory reset to see if it removes the bugs so that I am a happy man! But I don't want to lose root in the process. So, will Voodoo help?
Secondly, even after a factory reset, if the problem persists, do you think it is hardware (in which case I'll try my best to return it for a Infinity) or software (so I can live with it by installing a ROM...)...
Side note on my failed return attempt:
Also, I already tried to return it to Bestbuy where I got it from. They said they won't do the return since I have no insurance purchased from them... And I told I have issues with WiFi but my particular TFP doesn't have "major" issues. Therefore, when he tested it and saw reasonably good WiFi, he was even more insistent on not allowing the return..
ANY help in this regard and I will be extremely grateful! Thanks in advance!
Here is a video displaying the error... Please tell me if you think it is a software bug or a hardware bug...
Dropbox link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/393bnz3t5ch3gy1/Asus Screen glitch.wmv