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Can anyone of you, fit 2 owners, submit first impressions?
I am mostly interested in how notifications are working, are they seamless of the phone brand (same set of features no matter of phone being Samsung or not)...
Second thing is battery ofc, for instance, can it last 4 days (GPS free), with notifications turned on, normal usage?
I Like the device, own first generation, but use it with open fit app, and I am missing mostly notifications part as it was intended when using with great fit manager...
THANKS...
UPDATE: There's great thread on this device already, that if I knew existed, I'd hardly started this one, but the location of it is questionable, as I am not sure if gf2 was ever advertised as s7e accessory...
Hi.
See review from user Pilz, here at XDA:
[URL="http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/accessories/review-gear-fit-2-t3396090/page5#post67341876[/URL]"
I have Samsung S6 Edge, smooth connection without problem, also with wireless Energy Sistem headphones. Battery life, 4 days only without using it By me it is between 2-3 days.
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Hi.
See review from user Pilz, here at XDA:
[URL="http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/accessories/review-gear-fit-2-t3396090/page5#post67341876[/URL]"
I have Samsung S6 Edge, smooth connection without problem, also with wireless Energy Sistem headphones. Battery life, 4 days only without using it By me it is between 2-3 days.
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2-3 days is good result for 200 mA battery
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2-3 days is good result for 200 mA battery
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Not good, but satisfying By the way, charging is very comfortable with original charger. So, in technical, hardware side, I am satisfyied wit Gear Fit 2. Annoying is only buggy software.
Good, hopefully they implemented reply by template for both call and SMS notifications, find these options really useful...
But, 2 day battery is a deal breaker to me... We'll see...
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But, 2 day battery is a deal breaker to me... We'll see...
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After second charging i've got 18% (82% remains) for 15 hours of usage without training session.
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After second charging i've got 18% (82% remains) for 15 hours of usage without training session.
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Ok, report here when you get some constant results..
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Ok, report here when you get some constant results..
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BTW, first charging (not sure, was it fully charged?) lasts 2 full days. Used hardly - few trail "trainings" (~1hr each) with GPS, few workout session (~1hr each), played with settings, listened music, tryed some watchfaces.
2 days max, not with brighteness on 10
after 6, almost 7 days of 'testing' up till today
djurkash said:
Can anyone of you, fit 2 owners, submit first impressions?
I am mostly interested in how notifications are working, are they seamless of the phone brand (same set of features no matter of phone being Samsung or not)...
Second thing is battery ofc, for instance, can it last 4 days (GPS free), with notifications turned on, normal usage?
I Like the device, own first generation, but use it with open fit app, and I am missing mostly notifications part as it was intended when using with great fit manager...
THANKS...
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Here's my quick and dirty review so far. My prior devices: Fitbit, Polar Loop, Garmin Vivosmart, Garmin VSHR, Microsoft Band 2
Hardware: Very nice design. Well put together (doesn't feel cheap), screen is gorgeous. Band is comfortable and I don't even realize I'm wearing it. Waterproofing is nice. Has magnetic charging and charges at 1.32%/min. One con is that they don't include a loop on the band to lock it in place - I've had it pop off while brushing my wrist against things. Heart rate is accurate enough for RHR calculations. Had to buy a loop (18mm size) for $5.
Software: Beta-like. Buggy. Calories aren't calculated correctly. There are some decent apps (caffeine and water) and the one's there do have good UI/GFX. Notifications are easy to read and work bidirectional (an issue I had with the MS Band 2, where reading it on the phone didn't sync the read status on the band, annoying). Stair tracking is finicky and prone to inaccuracies.
Battery Life: I just logged a test of 91% usage over 68hrs. No GPS & wifi off. Display brightness at 5. Bluetooth on w/ notifications. 1hr worth of workout w/heart rate monitoring. Sleep tracked. That puts it at about an estimate 76hr total time if I don't use power-save mode. That's worlds better than the 50hrs I got with my Band2.
Verdict: It's a great piece of hardware. But buy it only if you feel they'll get the software bugs ironed out and not just abandonware it. I haven't used the original GearFit, so I don't know if they kept working on that.
What I Hope They Add in Software:
+ User voice or feedback submit option.
+ Invert Rotate-On, for wearing it inside the wrist.
+ Weightlifting/Interval workout option on band.
+ Ability to configure power-save mode to automatically turn on. Right now it asks permission at around 10%. Maybe even allow the user to select what it does (ie: grayscale, dim screen, etc.)
+ Automatic goal scaling
+ Inactivity meter (a few bands have this, it's a nice feature).
+ Ability to temporarily go full brightness on screen with extra tap or click. I have mine set to 5, would love to be able to just double-tap it to boost it for when in daylight. I don't believe it has a light sensor.
I'd recommend buying it with a protection plan. I got mine for $175+$30 at BB for 2years no questions replacement. Only reason I did it is because these bands are often made to the cheapest pricing and prone to failure. In fact, I traded my MS Band 2 straight across for this (also paid $175+$30 for that) because I had gone through 4 of those in 6 months.
JUst got mine this morning...Super Comfortable, Display is Awesome...Notifications work great with my V10... I am hoping more apps get developed this time around.
I picked it up a week ago (release day, the 10th), but just returned it. I never return things, and I hated returning this.
My experiences:
GREAT:
-Easily the most comfortable fitting device I've ever had on my wrist, and with no clip, it doesn't scrape desks and laptop palm wrests, or is even noticeable as a lump on the wrist (complete opposite of my experience with my wife's Microsoft Band 2).
-Screen is incredible, indoors, and not bad outside
-Swipe navigation is smooth and responsive
-The display wake gesture was pretty solid and responsive
-The charger is awesome. Pulls device into place via magnet perfectly and works the same regardless of direction, the display shows time and charge, right side up both ways. Mount is stable and low-centered to sit on desk firmly, without being oversized or heavy. Charges extremely fast
-GPS was dead on each day of my 42 mile daily bike commute, in comparison to my Wahoo ELEMNT cycling computer's GPS
MEH-ISH:
-The notifications were good, but limited details which required I go to the phone often to know what it was about. I understand it's a band and not a full blown smartwatch, so not really complaining
-There wasn't much you could do with it as far as apps, but it's new and I'm sure that will change soon.
-The auto-sleep detection didn't work well for me. If I watched TV before bed, it would count it as sleep, and if I got up in the middle of the night to pee and let the dogs out, it would end the sleep session, sometimes ignoring me going back to bed, other times counting them as separate sleeps. If I went into S Health to manually edit it, it was extremely buggy, wouldn't save, would lose the data, ect. I gave up trying. Since there was no manual sleep start/stop like you can with exercise, you have to go with the auto-detect.
BATTERY:
I ran mostly default settings as far as alerts/notifications 24/7 heart rate, ect. My 42 mile daily commute (~2 hrs) I would manually start the cycling mode with GPS and heart rate (ebike, video of my commute) lol and from that, after 24 hours, it would be down to around half battery. Each morning I would have a cup of coffee at my desk and charge it (<20 minutes). I'm the kind of person that needs habits or I forget. So, even if the device lasted 5 days, I would prefer to stick it on the charger at the same time every day to top it off as a routine. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if it lasted a week, or a month+, if I need to travel, but as long as it easily lasts a day, I can be good with that, considering the fast charging. The Microsoft band 2 takes 1hr+ from my experience.
NOPE:
-The stopper, for me, was the locked down data for exercise. Heart rate data couldn't be viewed in the 1 second format anywhere but in a very basic graph on the S Health app and on the device. It doesn't even carry to Google Fit. Even though there's Strava sharing, export options, ect, it ONLY allows GPS and time stamp data out. Even in developer mode of the phone and app, I could only see the 24 hour heart rate samples, and random samples during the activity, nothing even close to the 1 second data, though better than the Microsoft Band's 1 minute heart rate data. Since my S7 doesn't have root, I gave up trying to get at the data.
DISCOVERY:
-Having bought it from Best Buy, I exchanged it for the Vivoactive hr. HOWEVER, after exchanging it, I noticed a Samsung rep in the store so I went to him to say how much I loved the Gear Fit 2, but I HAD to have access to the data, so returned it. He said something like: "Very soon there's a Tizen update coming that will open that data up via an API for the major fitness platforms, including Strava, who is already set up to receive that data once we update".
-Well, crap, wish I had known that before. The Vivoactive hr display is HORRIBLE, I have the brightness cranked and a custom, bold, white watch face to help me try and see it in dim areas. In the sun it's fine, because it reflects the light to see the numbers, but in the dark it's extremely hard for me to see. Also, the notifications are more like annoyifications because they keep re-notifying even after being dismissed, randomly.
i saw a photo in hg notification. good enought for me
My thoughts so far
From a hardware perspective, I am a big fan. I find it to be very comfortable, the screen is gorgeous, and the whole thing is very responsive. I would like more battery - I am only getting a day out of mine so far, but that does involve about an hour of GPS from my bike commute along with an abnormal amount of use, as it is a new toy.
From a software perspective, it still needs work. I have not had it autodetect my workouts yet, and GPS occasionally fails to pick up a signal. Notifications in general are spotty. I will get most text messages on my wrist, but I can't get any alarm clock program to work. My main interface issue is that it is rather common for a swipe to be picked up as a press, especially if I start the swipe on the screen as opposed to off of the edge. I'm not enamored with any of the available watch faces, and I would like an always on mode.
Personally, I have no issues with S Health, but my fitness tracking was very fragmented beforehand. My previous tracker was a Basis Peak, which was locked into its own bubble anyway. So far, I am still doing double tracking of workouts with Endomondo, but once I am satisfied that the GPS will be more consistent (or that automatic tracking will work), I will drop that.
All in all, I am happy, but would like to see a few updates.
Can someone compare it vs. Fit1 (I mean owners of both devices), I.e. notifications, factory apps...
I'm still getting 2.5-3 days of battery life after cycling through it 2x now. I have 8% left after 70 hours of being on with GPS enabled; you can read my OP for more details on that, but I'm happy with it so far.
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I'm still getting 2.5-3 days of battery life after cycling through it 2x now. I have 8% left after 70 hours of being on with GPS enabled; you can read my OP for more details on that, but I'm happy with it so far.
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Really great and thorough test, I've added to the op of this thread, hope you don't mind...
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Really great and thorough test, I've added to the op of this thread, hope you don't mind...
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That's fine with me; I also reviewed the original Gear Fit (I'm surprised the OP is still on the second page) if your curious to see how much it has changed. I managed to eek out 4 days of battery with the original if I recall correctly. I turned on power saving mode earlier today (about 5 hours ago) and it has really helped my battery last this last stretch before it dies. I just hit 72 hours (3 days) of solid usage and I still have 7% left thanks to power saving mode for the past few hours. I think anyone can manage 2-3 days of use if they follow the way I used the device, or any alternative that allows you to use the Gear Fit 2 without limiting it.
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That's fine with me; I also reviewed the original Gear Fit (I'm surprised the OP is still on the second page) if your curious to see how much it has changed. I managed to eek out 4 days of battery with the original if I recall correctly. I turned on power saving mode earlier today (about 5 hours ago) and it has really helped my battery last this last stretch before it dies. I just hit 72 hours (3 days) of solid usage and I still have 7% left thanks to power saving mode for the past few hours. I think anyone can manage 2-3 days of use if they follow the way I used the device, or any alternative that allows you to use the Gear Fit 2 without limiting it.
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Yes, remember your review of gf1, now, as you've mentioned it..
I am using my third gf1 for 2 years now, tried some wear devices, sw3 was the closest to the level I wanted (although I am fan of Sony devices, damn, that thing was so ugly), fr230 was good from noon wear devices, but always coming back to gf1, and the simplicity and looks it had...
I will wait for few months to see how the development rolls out, and also whether will it be accessible in my country via official channels, but I am already pretty sure gf2 to be on my wrist eventually...
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Yes, remember your review of gf1, now, as you've mentioned it..
I am using my third gf1 for 2 years now, tried some wear devices, sw3 was the closest to the level I wanted (although I am fan of Sony devices, damn, that thing was so ugly), fr230 was good from noon wear devices, but always coming back to gf1, and the simplicity and looks it had...
I will wait for few months to see how the development rolls out, and also whether will it be accessible in my country via official channels, but I am already pretty sure gf2 to be on my wrist eventually...
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It is a huge improvement of the first generation GF even though I sold mine a while back. I read through my initial review of the GF, and wow has it changed! I tried a few Android Wear Watches. I'm enjoying the GF2 so far without any real issues which is a good sign. Let me know if you have any questions.
HI all,
Got my English version of Amazfit last week.
I was really exited as I intended replacing my old garmin forerunner 405 with the new smartwatch.
On my first run yesterday I wore both watches and ran a usual 9km near my home.
At the end I got 9.03km on the garmin and 8.79km on the amazfit.
The difference is huge for such a distance.
Has anybody else experienced this? I guess this turns amazfit an unusable tool for Runners..!!
A.
you need to get a gps fix first, before starting the activity, have you done that?
when starting an activity, you need to wait for some 15~30 seconds, till you get a fix, and start running/biking/running around with a latex tale.
please try to re-test again, and also make sure that you have the latest version updated of the watch, 1.3.1m
Good luck!
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At the end I got 9.03km on the garmin and 8.79km on the amazfit.
The difference is huge for such a distance.
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Are you sure the Amazfit is inaccurate and not the Garmin? If i compare Tracklogs from my Garmin Oregon 450 GPS with the ones from Amazfit they are both quite on the same level, the Amazfit does corners even a bit better. If the Amazfit drifts in position, the Garmin does, too.
And as already mentioned, the Amazfit starts a bit off. so if you want precision, wait for the GPS to be ready.
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Are you sure the Amazfit is inaccurate and not the Garmin? If i compare Tracklogs from my Garmin Oregon 450 GPS with the ones from Amazfit they are both quite on the same level, the Amazfit does corners even a bit better. If the Amazfit drifts in position, the Garmin does, too.
And as already mentioned, the Amazfit starts a bit off. so if you want precision, wait for the GPS to be ready.
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Hi 1immortal,
Yes I did wait a lot before starting.
In the fist 200m I had 40m of difference.
I thought thats ok - its the satellite fixing difference.
Then gradually this started getting bigger and bigger.
I run with friends who also have garmins and we mostly have a maximum of 50m difference in 10km which is acceptable.
found also this:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/smartwatch/other-smartwatches/amazfit-watch-impression-t3540770
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found also this:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/smartwatch/other-smartwatches/amazfit-watch-impression-t3540770
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That issues were fixed. Both versions (US and CN) received updates for the GPS firmware. To make sure where the problem comes from you should take a closer look on the tracklogs in a suitable app on your computer. If you provide me GPX files from Garmin and Amazfit i will have a look on it. The shown distance on Amazfit has been quite accurate to the tracklog so far, while Garmin uses other methods to show the distance so i often had different distance on tracklog and on trip computer.
Another indicator is, that the tracklog for the Amazfit is the shortest. Bad GPS receivers usually measure greater distance as the coordinates are inconsistently jumping around and therefore create more meters.
Then you should always do multiple measurements. Sometimes the GPS just goes mad. Over the years i had different Garmin devices and now and then i was walking with a speed of 200km/h and was kilometers off...
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That issues were fixed. Both versions (US and CN) received updates for the GPS firmware. To make sure where the problem comes from you should take a closer look on the tracklogs in a suitable app on your computer. If you provide me GPX files from Garmin and Amazfit i will have a look on it. The shown distance on Amazfit has been quite accurate to the tracklog so far, while Garmin uses other methods to show the distance so i often had different distance on tracklog and on trip computer.
Another indicator is, that the tracklog for the Amazfit is the shortest. Bad GPS receivers usually measure greater distance as the coordinates are inconsistently jumping around and therefore create more meters.
Then you should always do multiple measurements. Sometimes the GPS just goes mad. Over the years i had different Garmin devices and now and then i was walking with a speed of 200km/h and was kilometers off...
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Hi Castra,
Thanks for the detailed answer.
I would be glad if you could examine GPX files.
Files attached.
Andreas
Okay, my name is not "Castra" btw.
Castra Regina is the ancient name of a roman fort that is called "Regensburg" nowadays. Thtat's where i come from.
I had a close look at your Tracklogs and did even look at the location in Google Street View. Really nice little town where you live. I think i will have to go to greece sometimes.
Mostly residential buildings so there is not too much influence on the signal. Anyway, the Amazfit does not perform as good as the Garmin and is drifting off in some locations. They are both not bad but the tracklog seems to be really a bit better on the Garmin.
Did you wear both watches on the same wrist or one left and one right? Was there probably someone running next to you that shielded or reflected the GPS signal? If not, the Garmin performs better here.
You did do the OTA Update to firmware 1.3.1m?
See Images, Blue is Amazfit, green is Garmin.
Beleriand said:
Okay, my name is not "Castra" btw.
Castra Regina is the ancient name of a roman fort that is called "Regensburg" nowadays. Thtat's where i come from.
I had a close look at your Tracklogs and did even look at the location in Google Street View. Really nice little town where you live. I think i will have to go to greece sometimes.
Mostly residential buildings so there is not too much influence on the signal. Anyway, the Amazfit does not perform as good as the Garmin and is drifting off in some locations. They are both not bad but the tracklog seems to be really a bit better on the Garmin.
Did you wear both watches on the same wrist or one left and one right? Was there probably someone running next to you that shielded or reflected the GPS signal? If not, the Garmin performs better here.
You did do the OTA Update to firmware 1.3.1m?
See Images, Blue is Amazfit, green is Garmin.
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Hi,
Sorry about the name... and if you come to Athens I can give you a tour....
I wore Amazfit on the left and Garmin on the right. Amazfit was sometimes "blocked" by my running shirt which was not a thick one as the weather was good enough.
Its very usual that the 6 years old Garmin is blocked by the shirt (specially when its cold weather) but NEVER had a problem with that.
There was a friend running next to me but not blocking me.
So my fear that amazfit is inaccurate is probably true.
Thanks for the time spent. I think this is something runner should know before buying this watch as it turns it to be unusable.....
Latest firmware is installed.
Andreas
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I wore Amazfit on the left and Garmin on the right. Amazfit was sometimes "blocked" by my running shirt which was not a thick one as the weather was good enough.
Its very usual that the 6 years old Garmin is blocked by the shirt (specially when its cold weather) but NEVER had a problem with that.
There was a friend running next to me but not blocking me.
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Well as the Amazfit is quite good when you are running in one direction and then drifts away in the other it might be that it just lost direct view to some satellites and then used reflected signals which make accuracy notable worse. A person just running by your side or your own body could cause that, while a shirt should not have any influence. So if the person was running to your left it might have had a big influence on the result.
A bit more scientific approach would be to wear both watches on the same wrist and do more runs for comparison before posting that the Amazfit is unusable.
I have been using the watch for two months now and did not experience such huge differences from my other GPS devices. And i really have a close look on many tracklogs as i use it to map new paths in Open Street Maps. I always have the watch and a Garmin Outdoor-GPS with me and use both tracks.
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I have been using the watch for two months now and did not experience such huge differences from my other GPS devices. And i really have a close look on many tracklogs as i use it to map new paths in Open Street Maps. I always have the watch and a Garmin Outdoor-GPS with me and use both tracks.
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I don't really agree with you
I run with Garmin for approx 5 years and I rarely got big deviations and it was always +/- 30m.
When you wear a watch you need to know that it works well in order to evaluate your pace.
As you saw in the maps Amazfit does not record well and this cannot / should not be explained by minor factors (left right hand).
The only really acceptable factor could be big buildings and bad weather. This is not my case.
I also searched on the net and found that there are some references about bad GPS reception.
Just for the info, why do you run with 2 GPS devices?
Andreas
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Just for the info, why do you run with 2 GPS devices?
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I do not run with two devices but when i explore new areas or when i am Geocaching i use the additional Garmin GPS to get a second tracklog and to store Points of interest as new waypoints.
That is helpful sometimes when editing in OSM.
If Garmin works better for you, stay with it.
Their devices are quite good but a bit expensive. I had a few over the last 17 years.
Another test today in steep terrain. Today i had some minor drifts from the Amazfit compared to Garmin, previous tracklogs and OSM data, see attached image.
(Garmin magenta, Amazfit cyan)
The Amazfit really should get another update but as the sensor is quite new, chahces are good to get one.
Weirdest thing is that my Garmin created 725 trackpoints while the Amazfit created 14690. Distance 6,5 km....
They should probably reduce the amount a "bit" which could also save some energy.
I've received my Amazfit Pace version few days ago, updated to last US version. I noticed than GPS accuracy inside the building is terrible. I start Run workout in the office walking around 200-300 meters inside the room. After 6 hours Amazfit counted 30 !!! km of distance. I was shocked so much. Initially I was planning to use Amazfit for itinerary tracking or geotagging tracking during holiday trip. But with such accuracy it's not possible. Anyone has the same problem?
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I've received my Amazfit Pace version few days ago, updated to last US version. I noticed than GPS accuracy inside the building is terrible. I start Run workout in the office walking around 200-300 meters inside the room. After 6 hours Amazfit counted 30 !!! km of distance. I was shocked so much. Initially I was planning to use Amazfit for itinerary tracking or geotagging tracking during holiday trip. But with such accuracy it's not possible. Anyone has the same problem?
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Are you serious? GPS inside buildings for sure isn't working!
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Are you serious? GPS inside buildings for sure isn't working!
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Amazfit show me GPS as available inside the building because of large windows. BTW, if signal is low why Amazfit distance is jumped so much? I saw that distance on the screen was counted and increased almost every second without any watch movement.
I did the same test at home. If Amazfit is located near the window then distance is not counted and stuck on 0.00km. If I try to walk inside the room the the distance start to count and after few minutes show 300-400 meters. Strange.
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If I try to walk inside the room the the distance start to count and after few minutes show 300-400 meters. Strange.
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It is not strange. GPS works by measuring the time signals from different satellites take to reach your device. Then your position is calculated by triangulation.
It is only accurate if you receive direct signals from satellites all over the sky. Inside a building you have no sky view so all the signals you get are reflected by objects like buildings, mountains. If they are reflected they travel a longer distance and so the calculation loses precision. That causes jumping positions and therefore creates some mileage.
Older, less sensitive GPS devices only used direct signals and were much more precise but they also completely lost position in dense forests and between high buildings.
All modern GPS consumer oriented modules on the market are optimised for a quick fix, even under worst condtitons, then comes power saving and price.
Precision is the least of the requirements as you can adjust your position to a map when using it for navigation. (Lock to road)
Good for all the smartphone manufacturers and Google Maps users but bad for all outdoor enthusiasts.
same issue
Hi!
I got the same issue. Amazfit CN version. Firmware Rel 9 (1.2.14) from XDA.
Running in forest, orienteering. Amazfit watch in Trail run mode always reports 400-500m less within 7-9km distance. Difference is confirmed by 5-6 runs.
For example today Amazfit watch: 7.97km, Endomondo (Samsung S7): 8.42km.
I see also issues with max speed, its unreal on Amazfir watch (crap should be filtered out).
I plan to do test using Amazfit and my old Garmin Forerunner 300 in next weeks to prove test results.
Kind regards,
J.
js_online said:
Hi!
I got the same issue. Amazfit CN version. Firmware Rel 9 (1.2.14) from XDA.
Running in forest, orienteering. Amazfit watch in Trail run mode always reports 400-500m less within 7-9km distance. Difference is confirmed by 5-6 runs.
For example today Amazfit watch: 7.97km, Endomondo (Samsung S7): 8.42km.
I see also issues with max speed, its unreal on Amazfir watch (crap should be filtered out).
I plan to do test using Amazfit and my old Garmin Forerunner 300 in next weeks to prove test results.
Kind regards,
J.
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Hi J.
After opening this thread I did get in contact with Huami.
I informed them about the GPS accuracy problem and they were kind enough to send me a new watch.
Unfortunately this did not help. The new watch had exactly the same bad behavior.
So I stopped using the amazfit. I found also to have more than 200-300m less at a 9Km run.
As you probably know that's too much for such a distance.
Below is the mail I did send to Huami.
I did not get yet an answer to that and I think I will not get one
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Got yesterday the new Pace. Pretty exciting I must admit.
I did a 9,5km run on purpose last night in order to test it.
On my left hand both Amazifit Pace and Garmin 405.
Unfortunately the results were not better and much disappointing
So to start I should say that I run in rural areas but in open space.
I attached to this email two GPX files in order to get examined by your team.
One from my old Garmin and One from Amazfit.
On the 9,5km run I got a liithe more than 200m of difference.
This difference is translated in 6 seconds of pace difference which is vary big for a runner.
Pace difference is shown bellow:
(strava is from amazfit and runkeeper is for garmin)
So I uploaded both GPX files on http://www.mygpsfiles.com/app/ in order to visualize them and the findings were interesting.
It seems that though Amazfit gets much more points than my old Garmin, those points are often very inaccurate.
Please find bellow some examples.
Orange trace is Garmin.
Blue trace is Amazfit Pace.
Amazfit (in blue) seems really off road.
Here it seems to loose distance. I did run as Garmin says to the roundabout
I must emphasize that its really an open space run with a very good GPS signal reception.
So it seems that its something going wrong with the GPS of the Amazfit.
I am wondering if there is a calibration problem with Europe/Greece.
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Hi J.
So I stopped using the amazfit. I found also to have more than 200-300m less at a 9Km run.
I am wondering if there is a calibration problem with Europe/Greece.
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Thanks for explanation and visualization. Unfortunately I can't link my workouts with street as there are no streets in forest
I am little bit surprised about this: Endomondo makes less measurements and counts more, Amazfit makes times more measurements and counts less.
I was searching answers and found this article online (type: www dot fellrnr dot com/wiki/GPS_Accuracy), must read... Explains many issues from technical perspective.
I believe and hope that issues are related to software (firmware) of GPS chip and post processing and will be solved in the next firmwares.
Please also note: "AMAZFIT includes the world's first 28 nm Sony GPS sensor". As you know first is always first and requires debugging
"Sony – GPS (with 1/10th the power!) now sampling.
You know how using mapping apps on your smartphone kills your battery? Well now there’s hope. Sony’s getting some super impressive results with their new GPS using 28nm FD-SOI technology. These GPS are operated at 0.6V, and cut power to 10x (!) less than what it was in the previous generation (which was already boasting the industry’s lowest power consumption when it was announced back in 2013)."
You can find more info online.
I completely agree that for running numbers are important. Especially for high pace 4.30 and below, because each seconds counts. I will take Amazfit to my next street workouts for marathon training to do the same gps data analysis as you did above.
My strategy is to wait for firmware updates and hope issues will be resolved.
Thanks.
So I was thinking about getting the watch, but I saw this
https://www.neowin.net/news/review-...t-needs-to-hit-the-gym-for-some-massive-gains
It says basically the watch is not good for fitness as it doesn't sync data with apps like goofle fit or so. It says you can't even show your data on phone or similar.
Only sync with strava, but not all data
Has it changed since one year ago? Would you recommend the watch for someone who will use it almost exclusively to fitness? (Count calories, count gym series, runnings....). And obviously want to see it in the phone synchronised
I would also use it for google assistant, google keep, maps....but I haven't found about that...so thinking the watch it's quite useless because of software
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So I was thinking about getting the watch, but I saw this
https://www.neowin.net/news/review-...t-needs-to-hit-the-gym-for-some-massive-gains
It says basically the watch is not good for fitness as it doesn't sync data with apps like goofle fit or so. It says you can't even show your data on phone or similar.
Only sync with strava, but not all data
Has it changed since one year ago? Would you recommend the watch for someone who will use it almost exclusively to fitness? (Count calories, count gym series, runnings....). And obviously want to see it in the phone synchronised
I would also use it for google assistant, google keep, maps....but I haven't found about that...so thinking the watch it's quite useless because of software
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I'll have a go answering your question
The Amazfit app has improved since last year, you can see data within the app e.g. step count, sleep quality (for what it's worth), heart rate etc... But that data is tied to the app since there is no web portal that you can access say on a PC.
The sync still remains with Strava only, I found that if you install the MiFit app from the Google Play Store you can sync the watch to that which can then export the data to Google Fit. Though I didn't really find the data in Google Fit to be all that great / useful for it to be worth my while having 3 different apps installed.
Another limitation I've found with the watch is that calorie count is not all day calories. It is some very odd "active" calorie count figure. That is to say, if you wear the watch and sit down all day doing nothing you will not see the calorie count figure increase as Fitbits or Garmin devices since Amazfit have not considered BMR in their calorie counting whatsoever.
If you start an activity or you walk all day your calorie count will increase. I guess you could treat the calorie figure as active calories...personally I was annoyed with it at first but realistically I don't count calorie intake, so why would I worry about calorie expenditure? I just use a watch face that doesn't show calories and forget about the usefulness of that metric.
My use case for the watch is primarily fitness based, always on screen and notifications. I'm happy with the always on screen and notifications. Fitness and general health leaves a lot to be desired though. In my experience the things I've noticed include:
* Sleep tracking is not great, it gets the times correct most nights, but I'm pretty much exclusively in light sleep mode. Maybe the watch is too sensitive or I trash around in my sleep, I don't know. I hardly look at this outside of seeing how many hours sleep I got.
* Calorie count not worth the hassle due to the above
* HR tracking is...well, I'm still not sure. Resting HR can have me a 50 bpm one minute, the next I'm at 90+ bpm while sitting at my desk. Other times it can go hours nailing a pretty good representation of HR as I'd expect. During exercise, don't expect weight training to be anywhere near accurate (this is true for most optical HR sensors), running workouts do have drops where I could be at 150 or 160bpm one second then <120bpm the next but the trend seems to be correct most times.
* GPS might not be as accurate as some other running watching, but does exactly what I want. I've not noticed any major drift or drop outs in GPS, just make sure to wait for the GPS lock before starting your activity.
With all that said it might sound like I dont like the watch. But I think even with these issues I'd buy it again. Mainly because it was cheap (compared to rival products), offers most day to day benefits i wanted (notifications, always on display, several days battery life), it also has GPS and exports to the exercise tool I use.
To try and make the fitness aspect a bit more appealing for me what I've started doing is running with a second hand vivofit 3 in my pocket reading HR from a strap and use the Amazfit for GPS. When I get home I've written a script to replace the Amazfit HR with the Garmin HR and upload that to Strava. Works well, allows me to keep Cadence, GPS info and get a more accurate HR reading. I could use this setup for weight training as well, but realistically I'll never be HR zone training during a weight workout so as long as the Amazfit can upload workout time to Strava I don't care about that data.
Hi all,
as the name says - how is your experience with swimming with Amazfit Stratos?
Stratos looks great - but looks is not all that matters.
Regards
Hi!
I'm also very interested in swimming mode!
So far I found only a very detailed faq.
I'm not allowed to post url, so you may search amazfit 2 faq on Google.
It should bring you to amazfitcentral.com faq for amazfit 2.
See §85.
It gives information about what we should expect from swimming mode.
Despite this I found no reviews of sports functions.
So many unboxing videos, showing the box...( Seriously? Who choose a watch because of the box??), all videos shows similar stuffs, but no details about sports modes
I just know that the screen will turn off in water. The FAQ only says that in swimming mode one has to set rows manually. I do not think HR, GPS or even strokes will work in water. Anyway is there a general sports program for doing workouts? The training features is really a thing what is making me interessted in this watch. Firstbeats training load, recovery time advisor and so on, one can only find in really expensive Garmin watches or similar in the Polar M430. The cons is the size. I guess it is 50mm in diameter which is huge. Mostly too huge for 24/7. Also I don't know if I would trust Chinese in sports. They never do sports. Trust me I lived there.
All the so called reviews are just made by some silly guys never really used the watch. Doing it just for the kickback of some chinese store. Not trustworthy.
Hi!
As far as I have seen, the screen does not turn off in water.
There are some videos showing the watch in water (not a pool, just some kind of large glass, not sure of english word for that).
Only the touchscreen is disabled and it's not surprising. You can use the buttons instead of touchscreen to navigate while in water. I guess that's why there are buttons.
Regarding the FAQ, it says much more than set the row manually, copy paste:
85. Swimming function
Watch support swimming pool and open water swimming two modes.
Swim terminology
Lane Length: The length of your swimming pool. The watch will calculate the swimming data based on the lane length you set.
Set the corresponding lane length for each pool change so that the watch can accurately evaluate your swimming data.
Trip: Swim in swimming pool swimming pool length of a lane.
Paddling: wearing a watch for a complete paddling action.
Paddling rate: the number of paddles per minute.
DPS: Complete a full stroke of the water.
SWOLF: SWOLF is an important indicator of swimming scores, which is equivalent to your comprehensive evaluation of swimming speed. SWOLF for pool swimming mode = single trip (in seconds) + number of single trips. SWOLF in open water swimming mode is calculated as 100 meters. The smaller the number, the better the efficiency of swimming.
86. Swimming recognition
The watch will recognize the swimmer’s posture in swimming mode.
Freestyle swimming
breaststroke
Backstroke
Butterfly stroke
mixing
87. Touch screen in swimming
To prevent misunderstanding and water interference with the touch screen, the watch will be closed after the start of the touch screen touch function. At this point through the watch button motion control, after the end of the watch will restart the touch screen function.
Regarding HR and GPS in water, no idea....
-as far as I know, GPS is not good underwater and in a pool, it's much more accurate to count lenghts than GPS.
-HR: I heard some works in water (with reduced accuracy), no idea for the amazfit 2, that's why I wait so much for a swimming pool review .
Regarding the so called review... well I agree, and they are not really "review", only unboxing and show a couple of stuff (very very little)...there are maybe 100 videos like this, all showing the same. Those guys drive me mad: This watch has a very new feature compare to amazfit pace: this 50m resist + swimming mode... and they do videos with 20sec reviewing...the box, nothing on sports modes
Thank you for the information. I meant touch turning off in water, which is actually a good thing.
The Chinese version 2.0.8 in the pool is very bad.
English version 2.0.7.5 from Nicola Sagliano works in the pool super! Correctly considers the number of swimming pools that I swam, time, calories, swimming style and other parameters. In the water, only the buttons work. The screen works in this mode constantly.
GPS in the indoor pool does not work. For open water there is a separate regime. His name was
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phnikola said:
Hi all,
as the name says - how is your experience with swimming with Amazfit Stratos?
Stratos looks great - but looks is not all that matters.
Regards
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Hi, I took my Stratos at pool swimming 8 times and result is> I am not very satisfied with watches.
Swim.
1. Firmware 2.0.8.0 tries to round up meters and pools. That is logical because It is a way you usually swim at pool.
2. Firmware 2.0.7.5 does not round up pools and meters at pool mode.. It does. The last pool is added when saving or resuming session.
3. Both firmwares have problem with first pool (graph of pace and trash starts around zero (= nonsense) and complicates graph reading because Y axis is then not very detailed at the point of interest)
4. Firmware 2.0.8.0 can correctly count last pool. With 2.0.7.5 you must start at least one more pool to count the last one. It does. The last pool is added when saving or resuming session.
5. The measuring one time crashed when saving data with notice that sport application crashed. The session was not recovered and all measured data was lost (very bad coding of Xiaomi team).
6. Watches does not measure kicked pools. (Pools swim without hands). That is normal.
7. Due to inaccuracy of measured pool counts and problematic first pool are counted trash and pace values only informational.
8. It is unable to edit measured data so you cannot add kicked pools or correct bad readings.
At pool mode does not work GPS and heart rate sensor. That is normal.
Run (Firmware 2.0.7.5).
1. Very inaccurate GPS readings when run around 8 stories buildings.
2. Due to point 1 the measured distance differs from measured at Google maps about 10 % (3.1 km instead 3.4 km).
3. Due to point 3 all calculated values dependent on distance are nonsenses (speed, kCals, strides, TE, VO2max, EPOC).
Notices.:
Watches CPU is really weak and that causes problems with application starts (e.g. swimming) or lags when scrolling or screen listing. It is not so bad as described.
Coding of sports applications is really bad. When application crashes all data are gone. Sports application does not make recovery saves (at least swimming).
Watches e.g. do not sum counted steps after factory reset etc. Watches saves only higher value from measured before or after factory reset.
There is a bad sync between watches and phone app. Watches shows different sum mileage from phone app after crash of sport app at watches.
You cannot add or correct measured data, that leads to e.g. watches counts only 26 50m pools and do not calculates 14 kicked pools and that results in very low training load.
Tom
Thank you for sharing your experiences!
8 story high buildings are always a big problem without GLONASS. I guess Stratos doesn't have GLONASS.
Hopefully the crashes will be fixed on final firmware.
I agree it is a must that workouts can be edited in the companion app and then synced back to the watch. Cannot be so difficult to implement.
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Thank you for sharing your experiences!
8 story high buildings are always a big problem without GLONASS. I guess Stratos doesn't have GLONASS. [...]
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Polar V800 does not have glonass and records perfect track no matter of high buildings, deep forest or mountains.
Hi! and Tom: many thanks for this very detailed feedback !! :good::good::good::good::good:
I have a few comments/questions:
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3. Both firmwares have problem with first pool (graph of pace and trash starts around zero (= nonsense) and complicates graph reading because Y axis is then not very detailed at the point of interest)
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I'm not sure to catch the meaning of 1st pool: do you mean 1st pool lenght or 1 swimming session ?
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4. Firmware 2.0.8.0 can correctly count last pool. With 2.0.7.5 you must start at least one more pool to count the last one.
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I have read a few weeks ago a review of several watch for swimming (not the amazfit 2).
It was suggested that pool lenght counting is based on 2 things to be catched by sensors:
- "shock" detection when hitting the wall.
- "pushing" when going back to other direction.
So for accurate count of last lenght, it was recommanded to make sure to "hit" the wall correctly with the arm that has the watch. and also to start a "last push" back on the wall, like for starting a new lenght (and then you can stop).
Not very natural but....
It was also a good idea to make sure to hit the wall with the hand with watch and make a good push at every lenghts to improve reliable counting.
dolezelt said:
6. Watches does not measure kicked pools.
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I think I lack some english here: what is a kicked pool ?
dolezelt said:
7. Due to inaccuracy of measured pool counts and problematic first pool are counted trash and pace values only informational.
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I understood 1st and last pool lenght may be miscounted, but it is ok for the others in between ?
because, let's say if I do 40 lenghts, I may not be a very big inaccuracy if only 1 or 2 are missing ?
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At pool mode does not work GPS and heart rate sensor. That is normal.
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Some HR sensor does work (more or less accurate)...so I'm not sure it's "normal" even if it's also common that many HR sensors does not work in water.
I have a stratos, I have been swimming 2 times with bass and the length counts very well, you do not have to bounce the hand on which the watch is. The screen is always on and locked, buttons are working.
Justinbridou said:
Hi! and Tom: many thanks for this very detailed feedback !! :good::good::good::good::good:
I have a few comments/questions:
I'm not sure to catch the meaning of 1st pool: do you mean 1st pool lenght or 1 swimming session ?
I have read a few weeks ago a review of several watch for swimming (not the amazfit 2).
It was suggested that pool lenght counting is based on 2 things to be catched by sensors:
- "shock" detection when hitting the wall.
- "pushing" when going back to other direction.
So for accurate count of last lenght, it was recommanded to make sure to "hit" the wall correctly with the arm that has the watch. and also to start a "last push" back on the wall, like for starting a new lenght (and then you can stop).
Not very natural but....
It was also a good idea to make sure to hit the wall with the hand with watch and make a good push at every lenghts to improve reliable counting.
I think I lack some english here: what is a kicked pool ?
I understood 1st and last pool lenght may be miscounted, but it is ok for the others in between ?
because, let's say if I do 40 lenghts, I may not be a very big inaccuracy if only 1 or 2 are missing ?
Some HR sensor does work (more or less accurate)...so I'm not sure it's "normal" even if it's also common that many HR sensors does not work in water.
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Hi.
1. Look at the attached picture. Thrash speed starts with zero and every time you pause session trash speed drops to 0. This is problem for calculated average trash speed because is lower than real average one. At the pace graph is a problem with one speed drop (I paused session about 2 sec after finishing pool). This made a great speed drop and Y axis is than not very detailed at the point of interest. Y axis should be from 2 mins to 1 min 14 sec. That speed drop should be cut out. I think that first sec of swimming should be cut out.
2. Pool counting. I made some test and I must say that watches count pools correctly. The last pool is added when session is saved or immediately after session resume on 2.0.7.5 firmware.
Example: After finishing 20th pool and pausing session watches shows only 19 pools. When session is saved (ended) or resumed pool counts is corrected to 20.
3. Kicked pool.... I meant pool that was swimmed without hands only with kicking legs.
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5. I think that is normal that HR optical sensor does not work at pool. I think that Garmin Fenix also does not measure HR when swimming.
Hi, thanks again for added information! :good:
3- ahhh I see . Sorry I can more or less speak general English but don't have the "technical" words around swimming.
I also just noticed it's "thrash" and not "trash" which was confusing
5- I have seen on a suunto page "ACCURACY OF WRIST-BASED HEART RATE MEASUREMENT" :they write " The optical sensor may not provide accurate heart rate readings for swimming activities."
So to me they mean it may work but not accurate..
Also a couple of sources told me that the apple watch can do it.
So I guess it depends on watch....
I also read some watch just disable it while swimming (to avoid showing inconsistent data)
How do you do gym training? I cannot find any sports profile for it.
Hi,
Check the faq on amazfitcentral.com, it's a mine of information!
Sports mode are jogging, running, walking, cross country running, indoor running, outdoor riding, indoor riding, elliptical machines, mountaineering, swimming in the swimming pool, open water swimming, triathlon.
I cannot post links for the moment (noob on xda), but you can Google it.
Justinbridou said:
Hi,
Check the faq on amazfitcentral.com, it's a mine of information!
Sports mode are jogging, running, walking, cross country running, indoor running, outdoor riding, indoor riding, elliptical machines, mountaineering, swimming in the swimming pool, open water swimming, triathlon.
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I already checked this out. But still there is no cardio, gym training or yoga profile. I do not need rep counting nor weight plans. Just time and pulse. I guess elliptical is counting steps. I mean ppl who are doing running, cycling or swimming are doing gym, training as well as part or their training plan. It must be possible to track this exercises.
Anyone who test diving into the pool or sea ,not over 10 M.
I want to know it that can measure the distance or not.
Thank in advance.
TuM
SteffenBerlin said:
I already checked this out. But still there is no cardio, gym training or yoga profile. I do not need rep counting nor weight plans. Just time and pulse. I guess elliptical is counting steps. I mean ppl who are doing running, cycling or swimming are doing gym, training as well as part or their training plan. It must be possible to track this exercises.
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Elliptical and indoor cycling do not count steps, only time, heart rate and calories (based on heart rate). For gym, you can use any of these.
Alex
Hello. Can a swimmer that has stratos make a list of all the parameters that are measured during the swimming training?
Hi there!
I have a question, English is not my mother language and I 'm not sure of exact meaning of what the watch reports.
Does anybody could explain me the meaning of : pace, stroke, DPS and trips (as measured by the watch).
By the way, just received it, I may have a chance to swim with it next Friday.
I just got an Amazfit Bip and took it out on hikes this weekend. The GPS distance seems to read high by as much as 30% when compared to a Garmin and a TomTom that we had on the same hike. When looking at the GPS tracks, it seems the Bip is erratic, the track zigzags a lot, which could explain the huge distance difference. Because of this erratic nature and that the Garmin and TomTom read almost the same, it points to the Bip GPS distance being quite inaccurate. For reference, compare these two tracks.
I am running firmware v1.1.1.00 on the watch. I can't tell what GPS firmware it has (how do I tell that?). Can the GPS be more accurate on the Bip or not? With GPS+GLONASS I expected much better. This post says they should be the same, but I am seeing huge differences. As a matter of fact, when sitting still I see a gain of 0.01mi every couple seconds!
Anyone have any advice? Thank you for any help you can offer!
Here is another example from a hike yesterday. The Bip is saying 25% too much distance. The Bip said I went 2 miles further, that is way too far off. If you look at the tracks closely you see that the Bip is very erratic. Closely looking at them, the TomTom seems to be following the best, it and the Garmin differ by less than 4%.
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I just got an Amazfit Bip and took it out on hikes this weekend. The GPS distance seems to read high by as much as 30% when compared to a Garmin and a TomTom that we had on the same hike. When looking at the GPS tracks, it seems the Bip is erratic, the track zigzags a lot, which could explain the huge distance difference. Because of this erratic nature and that the Garmin and TomTom read almost the same, it points to the Bip GPS distance being quite inaccurate. For reference, compare these two tracks.
I am running firmware v1.1.1.00 on the watch. I can't tell what GPS firmware it has (how do I tell that?). Can the GPS be more accurate on the Bip or not? With GPS+GLONASS I expected much better. This post says they should be the same, but I am seeing huge differences. As a matter of fact, when sitting still I see a gain of 0.01mi every couple seconds!
Anyone have any advice? Thank you for any help you can offer!
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Possibly A-gps update missing, poor receiving of gps signals (eg shielded/ under sleeve), interference from surroundings...
I found the AmazFit BIP as accurate as iPhone ... when it has a proper fix on the satellites.
I'm not sure on the 'other' sport settings, but in 'outside running' mode it takes a sample around every 1 second, and that sample frequency will affect the amount of zig-zag also.
The 'while sitting' or stationary setting, may still get a variation of 50m or even more depending on the momentary interference. (For 'GeoCaching' you'd have to be in 1 spot for 10 minutes to enable calculation of a more exact -around 1m accuracy- location. An averaging algorithm is included in some GeoCaching software...... but inside the BIP there is no offering for such software ).
I have the same issue, but more severe. The watch indicates the GPS signal is found and after awhile of running I check the watch and the distance has jumped 2-3 miles ahead of what it should be! The distance drawn is always all over the map for most of the run and only seldom does it actually show the route I used. It's really annoying as this happens every other time and messes up the whole exercise for me. Once I check the watch after the run it does indicate correct amount of steps and distance, but the Mi Fit app is forever stuck with the wrong data and no way to correct it. The watch was only partly visible from under the sleeve, but even this doesn't explain the problem as I used to run the whole winter with gloves and a much thicker coat completely covering the watch and didn't have these problems. Also the watch doesn't give those two quick vibrations after finding the GPS signal as it used to, which is also weird.
I saw this comparison the other day between Mi Band 2 on the silicone strap and on the metal bracelet. When on bracelet, the values were not accurate, they didn't correspond with the data on the phone, and on the silicone strap gave the correct values.