quad DAC has no effect? Are my ears broken? - LG V30 Questions & Answers

Hi,
I have recently purchased the LG V35 and liking it thus far.
I thought I would enjoy the improved sound quality provided by the quad DAC, but honestly I'm not sure if mine even works.
I'm using Tidal hifi, a pair of "SYNC by 50 cents" headphones and a pair of basic sony earphones (all I havr for now).
Plugging the headphones in, the phone suggests activating the quad DAC which lights up the DAC icon in the notification bar.
It all sounds the same. Good, but the same on and off.
Tried fooling the phone into aux mode which bumped up the volume a bit.
What am I missing? Should there be a eureka moment with DAC switched on or are the differences really so subtle? Are my ears at fault? Subpar headphones? The phone itself?
The DTS:X surround option does make music sound different, suggesting i'm not a complete philistine.
Any help appreciated

Do your earphones have at least 50 ohms impedence? You want HIM. High Impedence Mode.
Download the Hi-Fi Status (LG) app. It will tell you if you're in HIM.
Hi-Fi Status (LG)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apptrio.hi_fi_status&hl=en_US
The quad DAC will try to make any earphones sound better, but reserves the "good stuff" for HIM.
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Thanks! I think both are below 50 Ohms as the app says "normal audio device".
Does the DAC work the same below 50 Ohms? read a bit about impedance and found some say it's important while others are saying it's not relevant in terms of quality, only for volume.
Found a good deal on Klipsch X6i and X12i, both are 50 Ohms. Will they work? Any experience with these?

Strider88 said:
Thanks! I think both are below 50 Ohms as the app says "normal audio device".
Does the DAC work the same below 50 Ohms? read a bit about impedance and found some say it's important while others are saying it's not relevant in terms of quality, only for volume.
Found a good deal on Klipsch X6i and X12i, both are 50 Ohms. Will they work? Any experience with these?
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The quad DAC does work below 50 ohms, but not necessarily all 4 channels? It tries to make all headphones sound as good as possible, but there's a reason LG put in HIM (High Impedance Mode). LG thinks (fairly or not) that premium headphones are going to have at least 50 ohms impedance. HIM will give a bigger soundstage and the quad DAC will work harder.
The headphones you mention are excellent and do have 50 ohms, but I'm not sure if the HIM trigger point is exactly 50 ohms or if over, you know? Here's some below for a lot less money and you can test the quad DAC to see if you hear a difference. They will definitely trigger HIM.
SoundMAGIC E80S RED Reference
Impedance: 64 Ohms
$49.95
Then you can buy the Klipsch X6i or X12i, if you wish -- if you see the quad DAC is working right with HIM.

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Any idea on Altec Lansing Backbeat 906 ????

~I've heard about this Altec Lansing Wireless bluetooth headset (903 and the 906) which looks pretty slick and if anyone is into audio, he would know the quality of altec lansing.
I am just wondering about its compatibility with the blackstone.
If anyone has tested it, could you just let us know ...
or maybe i myself will update this by buyin one very soon as I have great faith in altec lansing.
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No idea but it looks real nice. Please let us know how you get on with it...
Standards
There are standards wich a bluetooth headphone has to follow. If this device is calling itself Bluetooth Headset it should support A2DP (For the audio data itself) and AVRCP (for control of the device: Play, Pause, Next etc.). A WinMO Phone is nearly always supporting both of them. (Even my Prophet does in WM 5, 6.1 and 6.5) so the Blackcomb should do so as well. When looking for Bluetooth Hardware check Jabra too....all my Bluetooth audio stuff is by Jabra.
i used to have a JABRA BT8010 - it was 'good', but the quality of the speakers was rather 'thinny', barely any lower frequencies, despite using the inbuilt DSPs equalizing features. not to mention that the ear-holders were rather a pain in the ass and cut into my ears. But as a true geek one takes it like a real techno-phile and lives with it.
The positive thing on the JABRA BT8010 was that it could link up to TWO sources at once. something i miss on the backbeat 903 - why's that important? cos i stream my desktop-PC's music library via bluetooth adapter into my ears while am in/around the house, since my PDA-phones 16gigs microSD can hold roughly about 1-2% of my VAST library of songs ;-)
anyhoo, i bought the BACKBEAT 903 and have to say that the sound quality is by far better. (BT 2.0+EDR and the rest of the music-/player-control protocols). the 903 can get really loud. the in-ear rubber-pieces can be removed but you loose a major portion of sound quality.
advertised is the battery lifetime by 7 hours...I'd guess it's a bit less but havent "timed" it yet.
hope it helps a bit further
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Altec Lansing Backbeat 906 works great with blackstone, i got one today. bought on ebay. cost me something around 80bugs $. so bluetooth found Altec Lansing Backbeat 906 well, there was no problem at all. music quality is fantastic, even in talk. it takes calls with one touch on left ear, if you press longer it holds call...., every function works with blackstone. sound notification is clear...
just a great earphones.
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Modded Sennheiser CX200

Fitted the ear buds from my 2 day old CX200,s onto the stock HTC mic/earphones cable.
It was very easy to do and a great improvement over the standard phones.
I could never get the standard phones to stay in my ear properly and were very uncomfortable (small ears I guess).
Anyway here is the pic,s , let them do the talking
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Great job! I was just going about to do this but at the plug end. I was going to connect the extUSB plug to my current headphones, but this is a lot better.
I will never doubt the reasons for the hacks people do...some just do it for the hell of it and I am all for that.
But....I have to ask: Why?
3n1 adapter...and no re-wireing.
But excellently cool that you did it...although it is not really clear what you did. Did you take the tiny ear speakers and put them in the stock headphone cases or...?
wergeld said:
I will never doubt the reasons for the hacks people do...some just do it for the hell of it and I am all for that.
But....I have to ask: Why?
3n1 adapter...and no re-wireing.
But excellently cool that you did it...although it is not really clear what you did. Did you take the tiny ear speakers and put them in the stock headphone cases or...?
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I have the 3in1 adapter, but I think it is to bulky when travelling on the train and I can not use the stock speakers as they keep falling out of my ear and they are uncomfortable for me.
What I have done, is remove the stock speakers from the stock cable and then fitted Sennheiser cx200(these are the in-ear type) speaker to the stock cable.
So now I have the best of both worlds, stock cable with mic, dont have to use bulky 3in1 adapter when out n about and better fit/sound quality for my ears.
did you get improved audio quality as well? or was it bottlenecked by the HTC wireing?
Freedomcaller said:
did you get improved audio quality as well? or was it bottlenecked by the HTC wireing?
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Well I am not sure about the wiring, I was talking about CX200 ear-buds sounding much better on the stock HTC cable, than the stock HTC earphones on the stock HTC cable.
I could hardly hear any low end sounds with the stock HTC earphones.
To me both cables sound very similar, maybe the HTC cable possibly not being just as loud, could be the in-line volume control or volume not being set right when being encoded to mp3.
The CX200 sound ok for budget range and my ears would not be the best for judging sound quality(years of extremely loud music - raves 1989 - 1995) and a bit of tinnitus.
Aha. Cool idea.
I have the same problem...small ears and the earphones are for some giant head.
I use some over ear buds with the 3in1 adapter.
Getting the bluetooth "dogtag" adapter in the mail shortly.

[Q] Beats enhancement vs. SRS sound and stock htc equalizers?

okay just an observation... and maybe an opinion, but today i got some senheisser HD 280 pro headphones and i was listening to music with the "beats" enhancement on, and i noticed it was very tinny with little to no bass while listening to derezzed by daft punk. I know what the song sounds like on my computer and with earphones, but it sounded much worse with the headphones.
so this lead me to the conclusion that either it was the headphones or the music player, the 3vo. to test, i plugged my headphones into my friends blackberry and i noticed it sounded exactly the same. so then i decided to change to the regular enhancer to without the beats mod, and i noticed pretty much little to no difference, and the song had little to no low/bass end sounds.
that's when i thought either the beats enhancement is either only for beats headphones or just not working with my senheissers. my friend was pretty much laughing at this and was convinced HTC's music player sucked.
after my friend left, i decided i would try something; i switched out the HtcMusic.apk and the HtcMusicEnhancer.apk for the stock ones (found in virtuous rom) that come with the preset equalizers and the SRS enhancer and immediately noticed a huge difference, the bass was actually there and it was more of a studio sound than the "beats" enhancement. as well the preset equalizers also gave more depth in the bass and low ends when set to jazz or blues, etc.
Now i am NOT saying that the beats enhancement doesn't work, i just think that the SRS and regular eq's are much more effective. maybe this is because i am not using the beats headphones or ear phones?
maybe I am doing something wrong?
is anyone else finding they are having this experience?
any feedback is welcome.
PS. personally i don't like Beats audio... i think its a bit gimmicky and just a way to advertise just because its Dr Dre, because beats vs bose, for the price range, you're better off going with the AE2's or the sound cancelling headphones for 169 and 349, respectively.
Beats is definitely a gimmick. So are Bose. I am listening to a pair of QC-2 right now, and they are average at best... the noise cancelling is not that great either. Luckily they were a company gift, otherwise I'd be pissed off.
Honestly associating with Beats by Dre just makes me want to look elsewhere. IF this somehow gets HTC to put speakers that don't SUCK in these phones, and headphone amplifiers that are halfway decent, then I'll be happy. I will definitely remove all sound enhancements though. When will people learn that this SRS-like stuff just butchers the audio? I want the pure sound... I leave my EQ flat so I can get a true studio response in most environments. In the car and living room I use auto EQ/TA but the user EQs are always flat.
I don't use the stock music app but use cloudskipper instead because of its great equalizer.
Beats is just bell curved.
Here is a screenshot of what sounds great for me right now. Change it to your preferences.
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Earphones

Soo... What earphones for L9 do you recommend, and why? What do you think about original earphones from LG? I won't hide my intentions, I'd like to buy new earphones (especially for my device), and I don't want to do it on spec.
Paarix said:
Soo... What earphones for L9 do you recommend, and why? What do you think about original earphones from LG? I won't hide my intentions, I'd like to buy new earphones (especially for my device), and I don't want to do it on spec.
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I dont know how to say it in english , but there is a type of earphone like this:
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SentryMescudi said:
I dont know how to say it in english , but there is a type of earphone like this:
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These type of earphones are called earbuds.
I have bought mine from Aliexpress (a site like ebay), and they have been working great so far.
If you actually enjoy music, pick up one of these to try with a decent pair of headphones. Sky's the limit price wise on headphones so it depends on your budget. If you want a good cheap pair i would recommend these.
I strongly recomend Philips SHE8005 headphones .
SkarlosBME said:
These type of earphones are called earbuds.
I have bought mine from Aliexpress (a site like ebay), and they have been working great so far.
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I was just looking at that Aliexpress, http://gaga.aliexpress.com/210698610-1110017854-detail.html?spm=a2704.6645961.3.1. Whoa.
Must be some fake or something
Not sure whether it is fake, but we will never know. I have seen some of these extreme deals on aliexpress, the fact is that there are only 5 for this price and they run out as soon as the deal comes alive (= in less than a second) However, I do not recommend buying such things, the devil never sleeps.
But what you would buy on ebay, you can buy from aliexpress too, I did not have a single problem with them and they have a large selection of earphones/earbuds/headphones.
I recommend Panasonic RP-HJE120-K, they'r cheap and play very good, like hi-end earphones if You like warm, clear sound, especially with V4A.
Meda808 said:
If you actually enjoy music, pick up one of these to try with a decent pair of headphones. Sky's the limit price wise on headphones so it depends on your budget. If you want a good cheap pair i would recommend these.
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Fiio amps (or portable amps in general) are really intended for full-sized over the ear headphones. The added power is much more apparent because IEMs (earbuds) are already running at just about the peak of their power. I will say, though, that I own a Fiio E6 with a pair of NuForce NE-700M (a top-ranker in multiple sub-$100 quality lists, including Wired.com; can be had for $75, $65 without the microphone), and there is a notable difference in dynamic range and achievable volume.
AwesomeTurtle said:
Fiio amps (or portable amps in general) are really intended for full-sized over the ear headphones. The added power is much more apparent because IEMs (earbuds) are already running at just about the peak of their power. I will say, though, that I own a Fiio E6 with a pair of NuForce NE-700M (a top-ranker in multiple sub-$100 quality lists, including Wired.com; can be had for $75, $65 without the microphone), and there is a notable difference in dynamic range and achievable volume.
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good info. sounds like you know your stuff.
Stock headphones from samsung s3 are the best option for our l9. If you want better sound buy sansa clip+ and creative aurvana live xD or if you dont care about design superlux headphones.
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quad dac volume boost?

Do you guys think the v30 will have more of a volume boost with it having a quad dac? My s8+ with my etymotic earbuds has to be turned up about 3/4 of the way in the volume to be enjoyable. I have sensitive ears and the s8+ is still too quiet. I know it will have a better sound, but what about the volume output?
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Do you guys think the v30 will have more of a volume boost with it having a quad dac? My s8+ with my etymotic earbuds has to be turned up about 3/4 of the way in the volume to be enjoyable. I have sensitive ears and the s8+ is still too quiet. I know it will have a better sound, but what about the volume output?
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None of the reviews (with pre-production model) have mentioned low volume, but have mentioned how much better the audio sounds. Until someone actually gets the production phone in their hands there's no way to answer the question.
Still with the S8+, why isn't 3/4 of the way good enough? You still have another 1/4 to make it "too loud".
Many smartphones have earphone volume limits on purpose so as not to damage your hearing. In Europe especially the phones have lower volume than U.S. because the EU apparently thinks European ears are more sensitive to damage? That was proven with the ZTE Axon 7, where Europeans had to flash U.S. image to get proper volume. With root you can bypass that volume limitation, of course.
Higher output would just be a plus. I get sick of confirming that I want a higher volume after restarting the phone. And even with the volume all the way up, while streaming to my car, the stereo needs to be 3/4 of the max volume.
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Higher output would just be a plus. I get sick of confirming that I want a higher volume after restarting the phone.
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So your phone isn't rooted then? You must have the U.S. Snapdragon Samsung?
With root, you have total control over your phone. It's YOUR phone -- not the carrier's phone, not the manufacturer.
"Please, kind sir, let me have more volume."
With root, you have what you want, it's YOUR phone.
Dude, I'm no noobie to this. But no, I don't have root as this is a free s8+. I don't buy Samsung phones, but will take them for free. I know all about the volume limits and the such and why they're there.
20degrees said:
Dude, I'm no noobie to this. But no, I don't have root as this is a free s8+. I don't buy Samsung phones, but will take them for free. I know all about the volume limits and the such and why they're there.
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Too bad you couldn't have gotten a free Exynos S8+ so you could root...
I guess then I don't need to mention you need the "carrier unlocked" version of the LG V30 for bootloader unlock and root?
No bueno
I just upgraded from an HTC 10 to the V30 and there is a definate loss of output power. Although the quad DAC is, well...god. God screaming in your ears. Different settings as seen in my pics make everyone happy. I use with my JBL S700 Synchros with Poweramp music player app using all FLAC files. Its loud for enough people but not quite as screaming loud as the 10bwas. Quality made up for it. No distortion. Super happy.
I'll answer any questions you guys have!
Ps...
In the time that I have been sitting here writing this I have adjusted to the sound more and image in love. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Perfect......
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Please ignore the subject title of my previous post ?
It should read something like "oh so good"
And i had the limiter on in poweramp and its as loudbor louder tham the HTC 10
Uh I'll hope it got enough power to drive my Beyerdynamics DT990pro.
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Uh I'll hope it got enough power to drive my Beyerdynamics DT990pro.
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You will. From what I've seen/heard with my ears, it adjusts to higher-impedance headphones.
Coming from the G5 with hi-fi dac module, the volume on both was a bit low, but the quality was alot better.
Using a mobile amp does make a huge difference to the setup (depending on the headphones)

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