Why does it show only 5 mega pixel front camera when used a third party camera app?
Is the miui camera just stretching the size?
Or is this happening just for my phone?
Please check and enlighten me.
I saw one user in other post commenting to check the megapixel from google photo but when i check photo detail in google photo ,it doesnt show the megapixel of camera.....
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Emo Darkemotion said:
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You have taken this pic with the miui camera right?
Try it with any other camera app..like open camera or any other app.
Yeah you are right
I read that the camera combines input from 4 pixels into a single "ultra pixel" type construct, so you get less noise and ultimately a better shot. So though there are 20 million pixels, they generate 5 million pixels worth of data. That's quite a lot - should be plenty for your needs!
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I read that the camera combines input from 4 pixels into a single "ultra pixel" type construct, so you get less noise and ultimately a better shot. So though there are 20 million pixels, they generate 5 million pixels worth of data. That's quite a lot - should be plenty for your needs!
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That may be.
But the sensor is a 5 mega pixel sensor only and they have said that its a 20 mp sensor.
That's what i'm trying to say!
Gamerbhai said:
Why does it show only 5 mega pixel front camera when used a third party camera app?
Is the miui camera just stretching the size?
Or is this happening just for my phone?
Please check and enlighten me.
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I can't understand what this fuss is all about?
Rather than stressing on the specs and megapixels isn't it better to look at the results. For me the selfie quality is more than acceptable specially in this price range and coupled with the latest gen processors, ram, storage etc it becomes great in my opinion and make it a balanced phone.
Manufacturers will always use creative advertising to lure customers
sanjay0501 said:
I can't understand what this fuss is all about?
Rather than stressing on the specs and megapixels isn't it better to look at the results. For me the selfie quality is more than acceptable specially in this price range and coupled with the latest gen processors, ram, storage etc it becomes great in my opinion and make it a balanced phone.
Manufacturers will always use creative advertising to lure customers
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As a customer i need to know what i'm purchasing and even though the quality is good they might have lied to us about the sensor and the miui camera might just stretch the 5 mp photo to a 20 mp photo.
what if they told you its a snapdragon 845 but they give a snapdragon 835..the results would still be good. You would be okay with that?
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As a customer i need to know what i'm purchasing and even though the quality is good they might have lied to us about the sensor and the miui camera might just stretch the 5 mp photo to a 20 mp photo.
what if they told you its a snapdragon 845 but they give a snapdragon 835..the results would still be good. You would be okay with that?
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Well technically u can't say they r wrong. If it is mentioned it is a 20 mp selfie camera and they collate 4 mp x 5 and make it 20, where's the legal problem. Yes morally and ethically it can be questioned like all the mfr recognising benchmarking apps and pushing their system to give false high reading.
It would have been wrong if instead of Sony imxxx sensor on the rear they put in some inferior one.
Imho thisbselfi camera cannot be equates to putting inn835 instead of sd845
Gamerbhai said:
Why does it show only 5 mega pixel front camera when used a third party camera app?
Is the miui camera just stretching the size?
Or is this happening just for my phone?
Please check and enlighten me.
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Well, technically, they are right. The sensor they buy and put in those phones is 20mp. They then, by software at the OS level, "bin" 4 0.8µ pixels together to get bigger "effective" pixels.
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That may be.
But the sensor is a 5 mega pixel sensor only and they have said that its a 20 mp sensor.
That's what i'm trying to say!
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The sensor is not 5mp. It is 20mp as stated in all the marketing guff. The data is interpolated to generate higher quality 5mp pictures.
There may be ways to generate noisy 20mp RAW files but it would be a fool's erand just to get a worse selfie pic 4 times the filesize.
The information I have was just as available to you as it was to me ahead of buying the device. No point sounding all butthurt just because you don't really understand something.
This is the selfie camera sensor
https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/image-sensor/mobile-image-sensor/S5K3T1/
Open Dialler and type "*#*#64663#*#* and them select "Check version info" and scroll down you would see camera module used , here is mine
as everyone said its pixel binning
OP you are commpletely wrong.BTW talked to AIDM64 dev, he was saying MI is usinng non standard API, which could be reason for wrong value.It's 20MP physical camera.Through software they do pixel binning and convert back to 20MP.
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OP you are commpletely wrong.BTW talked to AIDM64 dev, he was saying MI is usinng non standard API, which could be reason for wrong value.It's 20MP physical camera.Through software they do pixel binning and convert back to 20MP.
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20MP > binning to 5MP > 20MP interpolation
Yeah, I read the same.
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With all this talk about cameras and comparing it with other phones like the Note 5 / S6, iPhone 6S, etc.
A little fact I noticed that I haven't seen brought up by reviewers is the 6P's sensor size. It has one of the largest sensors in a PHONE. In fact, the sensor size is equivalent to point and shoots:
Nexus 6P: 1/2.3"
Galaxy S6 / Note 5: 1/2.6"
iPhone 6S: 1/3"
iPhone 6: 1/3"
Xperia Z5: 1/2.3"
Canon Powershot SX610HS: 1/2.3"
Sony Cybershot DSC-RX10 II: 1" :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
During the launch it was mentioned by Huawei and Google that the sensor used in 6P was originally developed for camcorders .. So the large size is understandable and that may also be the reason for that hump design
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It was also part of the reason that OIS was not implemented because it would not fit.
Can someone explain to us photography novices what the advantage of a larger sensor is?
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Can someone explain to us photography novices what the advantage of a larger sensor is?
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larger sensor = larger area = larger pixels
pixels is what senses light and makes the picture... the more light they absorb the better the picture quality specially in lower light
Smaller than the M8 though I think.
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Smaller than the M8 though I think.
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I just did a quick check and the M8 had a 1/3"...so same size as the iphones
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It was also part of the reason that OIS was not implemented because it would not fit.
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Doesn't the Z5 have OIS? I'm sure it could've been done but would've increase the price of the phone quite a bit. I personally don't think OIS would be worth the cost/benefit for photos. For video sure it helps, but I don't care that much about video.
Granted the Sony's Xperia is not nearly as popular or available as a phone in the states as it is Overseas. When I was in Asia a couple months ago there were Xperias everywhere.
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Doesn't the Z5 have OIS? I'm sure it could've been done but would've increase the price of the phone quite a bit. I personally don't think OIS would be worth the cost/benefit for photos. For video sure it helps, but I don't care that much about video.
Granted the Sony's Xperia is not nearly as popular or available as a phone in the states as it is Overseas. When I was in Asia a couple months ago there were Xperias everywhere.
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The Z5 has digital image stabilization.
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Can someone explain to us photography novices what the advantage of a larger sensor is?
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A larger sensor has more surface area allowing it to adsorb more light. Light is the information used to capture an image and a larger sensor will have more of it. Camera sensors and optics are very much limited by physics. There are other things at play like pixel size which will be determined by megapixels over surface area and ISO sensitivity, but generally everything improves as the sensor get larger with the tradeoff of increased size.
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Can someone explain to us photography novices what the advantage of a larger sensor is?
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Large sensor=large pixels= less noise in image. Noise is the bane of cameras and will make any pro photographer cringe.
For the same reason Pro level DSLRs are not very high in megapixel (getting less and less valid however) because they can keep the pixel size large on their huge sensors. For a long time the top end Canon and Nikon were only 12.1MP, might not seem like a lot but on a huge sensor it lets in a butt ton of light. This reduces noise which is the biggest issues in cameras. You will notice if you take a picture at night and its really grainy, that is noise and destroys quality. Also the large pixel size lets in more light so at night time exposures can be quicker and less blurry. The main reason why the 6P is keeping up with cameras with OIS, because it can take faster exposures. I can only imagine how good this camera would be at night with OIS.
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I just did a quick check and the M8 had a 1/3"...so same size as the iphones
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Although the M8 had larger sensels, it just had a lot less of them so the sensor was smaller. M8 and M7 had 2µm sensels versus our 1.55µm.
I don't think you've read many reviews...
Lots of reviews have mentioned this and the sensor size has been highlighted by Google.
But the S6 is said to have a 1/2" sensor so 6P can shine for now
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Can someone explain to us photography novices what the advantage of a larger sensor is?
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The advantages of a large image sensor means that each light pixel is further away from each other creating less electrical noise which translates into "grainy" pictures using high ISOs
There's a camera discussion thread here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/nexus-6p-camera-t3216218
No need for two. :good:
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Can camera performance be improved with software tweaks or is it just that Redmi Note 3 uses uses bad hardware/sensor?
I suspect that the problem is related to the sensor/hardware
In poor light conditions the camera is bull****, but in good light is pretty good, idk why because the sensor is f/2.0
Yeah, I'm pretty sure, it's a hardware thingy. Numbers aren't meant anymore. You can see, the camera is 16MP with f/2.0, but it's quality says otherwise.
I compared photos taken with RN3 with Mi4i's, having f/2.0 sensor as well. The photos taken with Mi4i were crisp & clear and with RN3, were noisy & grainy. I guess, Xiaomi didn't use a good sensor to cut down the price.
I wonder if it is upscaling some phones are really like 8 MP but use software interpoling to upscale, so I guess you could try taking a picture at 8 or 13 MP and see if there is any difference - just an idea, I will test when I get some time.
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I wonder if it is upscaling some phones are really like 8 MP but use software interpoling to upscale, so I guess you could try taking a picture at 8 or 13 MP and see if there is any difference - just an idea, I will test when I get some time.
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I don't think this is happening. It's not a matter of lack of resolution, it's more to do with sensor quality. Xiaomi wouldn't lie about their cameras.
Guys the pixel size from the kenzo is one of the smallest on the market. In good light the pictures are pretty good. But in more dark areas the pictures are really bad, thats because of the pixel size. Its hardware limited and there aren't many software improvements. So live with it or buy another phone
Can use hardware camera from other device and patch kernel and drivers?
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Guys the pixel size from the kenzo is one of the smallest on the market. In good light the pictures are pretty good. But in more dark areas the pictures are really bad, thats because of the pixel size. Its hardware limited and there aren't many software improvements. So live with it or buy another phone
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I have no complaints, the pictures look similar to my Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 , perhaps because of the samsung brand cmos ..ok actually I'm not sure what sensor is in the samsung tablet,
I did notice my samsung tablet has way better closeup zoom capabilities though, where the kenzo will start to blur at same range - not a huge deal unless you need to take pictures of flowers or bugs ...etc, perhaps it has a macro mode I missed, haven't had too much time to mess around with the camera - I'll get to it eventually
(Camera)Damn that's saddening.But maybe the little software improvements can give some changes you know...
Everyone should post a sample picture from their device using the stock camera app(don't forget to turn off geo-tagging), to see if the output is similar across multiple rn3p maybe some have better/worse sensors?
I'm comparing it to my old HTC 10 and the quality is night and day. It's blurry/fuzzy, the colors are washed out. It reminds me of the quality of my old cheap webcam from 10 years ago.
Because you didn't turn off all the skin toning and skin lighting junk that's on by default. I was able to shoot selfies with more detail than any model would ever want to see on themselves so I know it isn't the camera's fault.
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Because you didn't turn off all the skin toning and skin lighting junk that's on by default. I was able to shoot selfies with more detail than any model would ever want to see on themselves so I know it isn't the camera's fault.
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No, everything is disabled. It's terrible quality.
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It's terrible quality.
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My testing and photos say otherwise. Like I said, way more detail in the selfies I've taken than most people who sit for me would ever want to see in a photo. It's not the camera.
Hey, coming from a Nexus 6 ... this is a major improvement.
Okay let's settle this, 5 mp camera is not the best out there, especially compared to iPhone 8's new front facing camera or even Samsung's I guess, although I can only tell based on what I see on internet, as I don't own them. Makes me wonder why it's so hard to create a perfect phone? I mean you did almost everything perfectly right, put a damn 8 mp camera with ois or whatever and hit a home run, why did they choose this front facing camera is beyond my understanding
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Because the reality is that in order to actually see a doubling of resolution, you actually have to quadruple the megapixel count. So to see twice the detail of a 5mp sensor, you would have to use a 20mp sensor. 20mp at selfie cam size would be insane. The cameras that are using 16mp selfie cameras (such as the HTC U11) are actually using the main shooter from the V30. But to squeeze that extra sensor in with OIS would require more room and produce more heat which would cause issues with amp glow on your other sensors. Digital imaging can be a real P.I.T.A. even with dedicated cameras. Cellphone cameras are a miracle that they even produce anything worthwhile. And that's usually due to being conservative in your approach to what hardware you use.
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Because the reality is that in order to actually see a doubling of resolution, you actually have to quadruple the megapixel count. So to see twice the detail of a 5mp sensor, you would have to use a 20mp sensor. 20mp at selfie cam size would be insane. The cameras that are using 16mp selfie cameras (such as the HTC U11) are actually using the main shooter from the V30. But to squeeze that extra sensor in with OIS would require more room and produce more heat which would cause issues with amp glow on your other sensors. Digital imaging can be a real P.I.T.A. even with dedicated cameras. Cellphone cameras are a miracle that they even produce anything worthwhile. And that's usually due to being conservative in your approach to what hardware you use.
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Thanks! I already learned something interesting today Is that the reason why the Nokia 8 and the HTC U11 have larger bezels as well in order to have enough room to tackle these technical challenges?
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Thanks! I already learned something interesting today Is that the reason why the Nokia 8 and the HTC U11 have larger bezels as well in order to have enough room to tackle these technical challenges?
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Yes, bezels really only exist to hide hardware that they haven't figured out how to downsize or place elsewhere. To get tiny bezels, you have to use tiny camera, earpiece, and proximity sensor hardware or just get rid of them. OIS units make things much bigger as you have to put a ring of motors around the object you're stabilizing. Earpieces/speakers take up a lot of space. I'm guessing Google used the headphone jack space to add more battery and the second speaker, with the second speaker adding more bezel. Proximity sensor is probably the smallest thing in the bezels. Display drivers used to be a big contributor (Moto 360 flat tire was a display driver if I remember right) but with the modern OLED panels they just, er, tuck 'em.
Not passing judgement on the quality of the selfie cam, but I notice that as with the main camera, it too has a "wide angle" setting.
But with only the single camera, necessarily this means that the non-wide setting is digitally zoomed, plus I'd bet there's heavy software correction going on to get rid of all of the wide angle distortion. Perhaps that's asking too much from a 5 MP sensor?
However, I rarely take selfies, and when I do, I'm often trying to squeeze in the other people that are with me, or some scene in the background, so maybe I'll find the native wider angle appealing? Hard to tell in-store with all the florescent lighting.
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No, everything is disabled. It's terrible quality.
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Agreed, turned all that off too and it still looks like crap.
Maybe find something better looking to shoot? The camera does really well.
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Maybe find something better looking to shoot? The camera does really well.
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Lol wow dude is talking about a selfie this guy says find something better to shoot lmao.
I've never taken an awful photo with the front facing V30 camera. I really don't understand how anyone thinks it's awful.
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From my experience, it only does poorly in low light, that is, compared to 2017 flagships. I don't think it's nearly as bad a many claim it is.
If you look at a lot of of comparisons with the between the likes of the note 8, iphone x and pixel 2, it holds up really well. The biggest difference is really between the pixel 2 and pretty much every other flagship front facer, it has by far the best front facing cam on the market by a good margin imo. The v30 front cam can look really good, is just dosen't produce quite as much detail as the others, and maybe lacks in dynamic range a bit.
If you turn on flash in low light, you see better results. It’s not real flash obviously but I’ve been impressed when it gets it right.
maybe youre ugly lol jk
I've personally had my eyes on the Mi 9 for a while since the first set of leaks came out, as the leaks got more & more specific & started to list the camera specifications I noticed immediately the lack of OIS & assumed it was just left off there accidentally, then when it was announced yesterday it was confirmed not to have OIS, admittedly at first it did put me off slightly as not having such a feature on a 2019 flagship seemed ridiculous to me, now however I'm not sure & will wait till the event on the 24th, let me know what you guys think & if it's important to you.
Without OIS you get bad pics at night. Video is okay with EIS but without OIS, you can't fix that.
When I pay over 400€, OIS is a must have.
With OIS you can only get better pictures of static scene at night or lower light. Does not apply to kids, pets or any moving objects that get blured out thanks to slower shutter speed compared to sensors without OIS that must use faster shutter speeds by design. For video OIS is useless. So it is understandable that OEMs like Xiaomi are cutting costs on OIS that you have very limited range of use. Basically only usecase today's is night static scene and that is not worth extra cost/devide thickness for aggressive priced devices like MI 9.
It doesn't really matter for me
Man that is so sad ois makes a flagship
They should have sacrificed a camera or 2 just for the ois
For the price l'm not crying about OIS. If i want it that bad I'll pay the premium elsewhere.
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When I noticed Mi9 is without OIS I was hardly shocked but I can leave one year without OIS and hoping Mi10 will have stabilization back. DXOmark give too high score to Mi9 so we should be fine also without. So yes I will but Mi9
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It'll be interesting for sure to see how especially night photography will turn out with the Mi 9 vs the competition with OIS. Do we have a whitepaper somewhere that would show exactly how for example HDR+ (Google) works? Does it use a longer exposure for the shots, especially on Night Mode, or are the images that are stitched together taken with a relatively short exposure? (ie potentially possible even without OIS)
@D1G1TE OIS useless in videos? Man, than I need to tell you, that EIS works only in 30fps modes, so you are left absolutely without any stabilization in video, my mi 8 will record better 60fps videos (of course as soon as it's get update for it )
If OIS is compensated in the software section. Like they said in hands on. It doesn't bother me.
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Xiaomi said that?
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No it was mentioned in a hands on (can't remember which) that EIS was doing its thing.
It has no ois yet its an extremely good camera?
??? What is going on here
Does it take decent night shots no blurry eis?
The GSM Arena review has convinced me the camera will be superior for my needs.
I don't believe I've ever had a phone with OIS - it is tricky to miss what you don't have!
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No it was mentioned in a hands on (can't remember which) that EIS was doing its thing.
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The GSM Arena review mentions it in the Video section
EIS is available for both cameras and all common resolutions (4K, 1080p and 720p), but it works only for the 30fps modes. The digital stabilization does a great job smoothing the camera shake at the expense of minor loss of FoV.
ToneLa said:
The GSM Arena review has convinced me the camera will be superior for my needs.
I don't believe I've ever had a phone with OIS - it is tricky to miss what you don't have!
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The GSM Arena review mentions it in the Video section
EIS is available for both cameras and all common resolutions (4K, 1080p and 720p), but it works only for the 30fps modes. The digital stabilization does a great job smoothing the camera shake at the expense of minor loss of FoV.
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OK?? So no stabilisation at all 60fps? That kind of sucks.
https://www.gizchina.com/2019/02/17/mi-9-closed-loop-motor-explained/
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https://www.gizchina.com/2019/02/17/mi-9-closed-loop-motor-explained/
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Is it possible to have OIS with a closed loop motor? Not sure I understood the article fully. Thanks!
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Is it possible to have OIS with a closed loop motor? Not sure I understood the article fully. Thanks!
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From how I read it, with the position sensor immediately informing the VCM to adjust, that means that OIS isn't necessarily needed, however whether it's possible is a different matter entirely I think
I find it a strange story. If you compare those drawings it looks to me it's an enhanced OIS. Now with a positioning sensor.
Why didn't they market this aspect better...?? It wasn't been told in the presentation.
Yes it has OIS but better?
BTW. I hear the "closed loop motor" now for the first time.
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I find it a strange story. If you compare those drawings it looks to me it's an enhanced OIS. Now with a positioning sensor.
Why didn't they market this aspect better...?? It wasn't been told in the presentation.
Yes it has OIS but better?
BTW. I hear the "closed loop motor" now for the first time.
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Because it's inferior to OIS, basically the "closed loop motor" can focus faster & more accurate thanks to the positioning sensor, however in regards to stability OIS wins because it isn't fixed, you'll see quite a few Mi 9 owners complaining over blur in night shots, this is because when the persons had shakes there is no OIS to compensate.
Edit: I saw inferior because if you look at the Mix 3's focusing it was perfectly fine imo, we've lost OIS for something that wasn't necessarily "bad" in the first place.
This is how I think it works based on my own research, Xiaomi didn't really give us any information on it themselves, so if anyone more knowledgeable has more to add or correct, feel free
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Because it's inferior to OIS, basically the "closed loop motor" can focus faster & more accurate thanks to the positioning sensor, however in regards to stability OIS wins because it isn't fixed, you'll see quite a few Mi 9 owners complaining over blur in night shots, this is because when the persons had shakes there is no OIS to compensate.
Edit: I saw inferior because if you look at the Mix 3's focusing it was perfectly fine imo, we've lost OIS for something that wasn't necessarily "bad" in the first place.
This is how I think it works based on my own research, Xiaomi didn't really give us any information on it themselves, so if anyone more knowledgeable has more to add or correct, feel free
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I read somewhere that the fact Mi 9 is using a larger sensor, and because of this fitting OIS wasn't possible. Do you know of any phone with the Sony IMX586 sensor that has OIS? This doesn't explain why eg the telephoto sensor and lens doesn't have OIS though ?
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I read somewhere that the fact Mi 9 is using a larger sensor, and because of this fitting OIS wasn't possible. Do you know of any phone with the Sony IMX586 sensor that has OIS? This doesn't explain why eg the telephoto sensor and lens doesn't have OIS though ?
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The Honor View 20 uses the IMX586 & that too doesn't have OIS it uses EIS & AIS. There is also another Xiaomi device, the Redmi Note 7 Pro, which has the IMX586 & again, there is no OIS, assuming they're the only devices that use the IMX586 then it's confirmed that there is no OIS possible with the IMX586
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I used both the 6 and friends 6 Pro and the results are different completely.
I do know that the Pixel 6 Pro is using the Samsung GN1, but how we can be sure that Google is using the same camera sensor on the 6?
Tried to find out using AIDA and other apps but it won't show the sensor name..
Pixel 6 sensor is also Samsung GN1
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Pixel 6 sensor is also Samsung GN1
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I dont see they mentioned it in the manufacturer site.
Put them Side by side with same lighting conditions youll notice difference between the two.
What kind of differences? Great if you did a comparison side by side example here.
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What kind of differences? Great if you did a comparison side by side example here.
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I don't have the files but the main key differences are:
Pixel 6:
Less saturated.
Most photos the subject are lack of brightness.
Less fine details.
Selfie cam is just lack of details.
More noisy camera output (dirty photos)
HDR is just a joke.
Most photos are lifeless..
On the other hand Pixel 6 Pro:
Wider Dynamic range.
Way less noise than the counterpart.
More fine details.
HDR is better, not by much but the difference is there.
Selfie cam is way better, lets leave the selfie cam aside because it's
an different camera module (11mpx vs 8mpx).
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I dont see they mentioned it in the manufacturer site.
Put them Side by side with same lighting conditions youll notice difference between the two.
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They don't have to mentioned. It is said that sensor is 50MP 1/1.31" with 1.2 μm pixels. There is no other sensor with that specs.
Hmm i removed the tempered glass that i applied, will check today if it fixed my photo taking experience.
I do know that "glue" is applied and the heat from the phone might cause blurriness due to that.