Hello,
I have recently moved from Suunto to test the new Stratos. I wonder, if anybody used the watch more throughoutly in trekking or navigating environment.
It is really nice that you can directly upload GPX tracks from phone to watch, this saves a lot of time. I wonder, however, if there is possibility to see waypoints on the track, once in the activity, so you get notifications, when you are approaching any waypoint (it helps to mark the turns on the crossroads). It worked just fine in Suunto, but I can't see waypoints in Stratos - maybe I am missing something.
Any help would be appreciated.
Hi,
no waypoints in Stratos latest global firmware
nasosal said:
Hi,
no waypoints in Stratos latest global firmware
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It would be a great imrovement if they would address that in upcoming updates. I think it is the single major feature that I miss compared to previous Suunto Ambit 3.
flyeris said:
It would be a great imrovement if they would address that in upcoming updates. I think it is the single major feature that I miss compared to previous Suunto Ambit 3.
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Then you should try to contact them and request the feature.
Hi,
There is a feature called location in the current stock Stratos ROM which saves your current gps location to be used as a navigation waypoint for compass navigation back to your starting location.
I find it useful, but far more useful as requested in this post would be the facility to upload a gpx location in the same way that gpx routes can be uploaded.
I have requested it on the Amazfit forum FB, but so far no feedback.
There are reports of people Using GPX files with waypoints and it works on Stratos, at least with firmware 2.3.10.4 and up...
A little flag or triangle is displayed for waypoints on Stratos but waypoint descriptions seem to be problematic. Looks like it is trying to show something but is missing proper font or so.
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I and all you guys may met that problems many times before, and after doing many test I can see the cause of the problem. This time I show you one case I have just done it few hours ago:
- First I'm using iphone (but it not effect to the test)
- Amazfit app, change to us verson (simple just change the region to my country), so it will sync the activity to Strava.
- Watch Rom: us official 1.3.3a (the result is the same with dev PACEfied rom)
- Do the ride test around, with many turn.
- Sync the activity to Strava, go to strava export TCX file.
- Export TCX file directly from the watch. (How to)
****Okay, now compare:
Strava activity link: https://www.strava.com/activities/1068275813
TCX file export from strava and watch (see attachment files)
How to compare: import TCX files to this size: http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map_input?form=google
The result you can see at pictures attachment.
****Conclusion:
- The original GPS file from the watch is very good, no drifting at all.
- After syncing to Strava, GPS route change alot, drifting happens.
- So the issue here is the step "syncing to Strava"
****Solution:
I have no solution, because I am not the engineer from Huami, I hope people from Huami/Xiaomi see this post and will fix this problem. I have read many feedback from Amazon, Facebook group that they have to give back the watch because the drifting problem. Maybe Strava is not fair to change something when syncing (my thinking). The watch is really good but this problem made many people disappointed.
It is "easy" to spot what happens.
while the Amazfit saves the coordinates with 15 decimal places Strava uses only 6 ( and adds a 0 ).
If we take the first entry
Amazfit:
<Time>2017-07-05T04:35:20Z</Time>
<Position>
<LatitudeDegrees>10.391833305358887</LatitudeDegrees>
<LongitudeDegrees>107.10086822509766</LongitudeDegrees>
</Position>
</Trackpoint>
Strava
<Time>2017-07-05T04:35:20Z</Time>
<Position>
<LatitudeDegrees>10.3918330</LatitudeDegrees>
<LongitudeDegrees>107.1008680</LongitudeDegrees>
</Position>
You can see that there is a difference, but a small one ( ~13cm )
If you then go to
Amazfit:
<Time>2017-07-05T04:40:57Z</Time>
<Position>
<LatitudeDegrees>10.385744094848633</LatitudeDegrees>
<LongitudeDegrees>107.11280822753906</LongitudeDegrees>
</Position>
Strava
<Time>2017-07-05T04:40:57Z</Time>
<Position>
<LatitudeDegrees>10.3857360</LatitudeDegrees>
<LongitudeDegrees>107.1127090</LongitudeDegrees>
</Position>
Here the difference is ~10.8 meters.
so you want to tell me that the watch is very precise and Strava is castrating down the results ?!?!?!!
I have installed the python scripts and extracted the data to GPX files.
One of them I uploaded to Strava and then re downloaded it again.
And the downloaded one was with Single precision.
But it was only off on a few points in a 12.5 Km run.
So it is a combination of Strava storing everything as a single ( not double ) .
But even there the data from the Amazfit was drifting, but it was a run through a forest.
If it was only for the precision it wouldn't really matter that much ( maximum of ~0.5 meters ).
So it seems that
1 - The Amazfit is drifting, and
2 - the upload to Strava sometimes does a strange "correction" to the data.
Thanks a lot Trần :good: this has been reported to the team and we are looking into it.
1immortal said:
so you want to tell me that the watch is very precise and Strava is castrating down the results ?!?!?!!
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Just my thinking, the problem happened when syncing to Strava, and we got the bad final result.
fzelle said:
I have installed the python scripts and extracted the data to GPX files.
One of them I uploaded to Strava and then re downloaded it again.
And the downloaded one was with Single precision.
But it was only off on a few points in a 12.5 Km run.
So it is a combination of Strava storing everything as a single ( not double ) .
But even there the data from the Amazfit was drifting, but it was a run through a forest.
If it was only for the precision it wouldn't really matter that much ( maximum of ~0.5 meters ).
So it seems that
1 - The Amazfit is drifting, and
2 - the upload to Strava sometimes does a strange "correction" to the data.
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Sorry for my bad, I dont follow your words (Single precision and Double), are you using your record or my files? Maybe it better with picture, thanks.
netzkobold said:
Thanks a lot Trần :good: this has been reported to the team and we are looking into it.
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Thank you so much for your responding! :good:
Single/double Precision is a programming/computing term.
Compared to Double they have a smaller range and therefore are easier to store, but not as accurate.
1.2.27 CN
[bold]- Update the GPS firmware
- Optimize the drift of GPS
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- New voice control meter air purifier function (such as: open the living room of the air purifier, the air purifier set to automatic mode)
- Repair of some cases caused by the speed or speed display abnormal situation
@netzkobold:
Can we expect this for the pace ( US ) as well?
Has anyone reported this solution to the Huami- team and got a positive feedback to solve the problem in the next update?
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Has anyone reported this solution to the Huami- team and got a positive feedback to solve the problem in the next update?
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If netzkobold said that it was reported to the team, trust me, Huami are working on it.
I also have this problem. The drift is sometimes 20+ meters from the road so some Strava segments are not captured. I have downloaded the raw data from the watch (gpx file via python script) and uploaded that manually to Strava and it is perfect. Definitely something is happening when you sync to Strava via the Amazfit app. I can upload my files if anyone is interested.
Hi all,
I don't know if this already exist or if it is even possible from the technical perspective. I've tried to find how to do it, mainly trying to install one of the already existings apps for android but only one is compatible with the amazfit pace architecture and the result in the watch screen is to poor.
The point is to have a new activity in the smartwatch that record laps by GPS position (fe some garmin models do this as well). You set at the beginning a start point and every time you cross that point the activity set a new laptime. It will be usefull for different sports as for example circuit cycling or motorsports like go karts/motorbikes.
Does someone know if this is possible or if already exist something similar?
Regards
Which device? Pace and Stratos have a function called Autolapse which I guess is what you are looking.
nhedgehog said:
Which device? Pace and Stratos have a function called Autolapse which I guess is what you are looking.
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Hi nhedgehog, thanks for your reply.
I have an Amazfit Pace... I can see the autolap by distance or by time but can't find the autolap by gps start position or something called autolapse, where is that? Do you have any custom rom installed?
I don't think you can do it besides auto lap by distance or time, as most watches do. If you need anything else then probably you must export the GPX data on watch, transfer it to computer then use a third party service to edit the data.
I'll answer later, just switched the ROM, don't know if I got confused with all that new settings.
I'm on the Amazfit Pace Chines BETA 2.0.6.12 ROM. Here is a thread which lists the activity settings of some outdoor activities.
You are right I can't define a GPS position as Lap Starting. I have the possibility to define autolap by distance and set this alert on or off but not what you were looking for.
I also would be interested by this GPS lap function
WOS2 on Pace has an "Auto Lap" setting (with option of notification separate from the normal lap notification where you can set the lap length), most probably it exists on Stratos as well... Does it do what you need?
Hi everone,
I am using Amazfit Stratos, Rom version 2.3.4.0 .I have a climbing activity on 1 spetember 2018.
The total mileage shown on watch & Amazfit App is 15.1km, but it only 12.2km (12.6km if consider 3d distance) via Strava or Google Earth after I download the gpx file, it is 23% different. The huge mileage different also happened when climbing mountain with elevation more than 500m, the others activity will have 3% to 6% different (the watch reported higher).
Anyone have this problem? How to solve it?
Is anyone noted that the elevation info always missing in the first few point of the GPX file downloaded?
Probably you had 3D Data on (search for what it means).
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Probably you had 3D Data on (search for what it means).
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Yes, I know what is 3d data, I have set 3d data on for this climbing activity.
But it is 12.2km (without consider 3d) and 12.6km (with consider 3d), calculated by myself and checked using "Google Earth".
Will it because of movement of the hand where I wear the watch?
Sounds like a problem with the altitude measurement. I'm not happy with that too. Opening compass, doubletapping on it and waiting for a GPS fix before starting an activity is helping a bit.
I see several reasons for this:
1) The phone app is smoothing out the altitude data by using digital elevation map data, which at the end comes to different mileages.
2) In the mountains unprecise GPS signal can lead to significant differences, 30m 2D can sum up to 100m or more 3D, a balance between weak signal filtering and loosing signal is not easy to achieve.
3) During my tours I had another GPS running parallel. What made a real difference was, what I wrote under 2) and that my Pace did not exactly recognize pauses, which resulted in several pausing clusters which added to the mileage.
My conclusion:
I'm using the watch but after the activity I:
1) export it to tcx format via the exporter available in this forum.
2) manually delete the first trackpoints which either have no altititude or an unrealistic speed.
3) correct the altitude with external tools if I see it necessary.
Some of this after activity steps are done by the phone app automatically. Since the phone app is not giving me options for this I use other tool to know exactly what is going on.
Edit: The handmovement shouldn't influence outdoor results.
Did you check the altitude graph? It seems that run/walk use GPS for altitude whereas trail run/climb use the barometer. I still think it's related to 3D Data: the higher the altitude change, the higher will be the final difference in distance when compared to common "2D" data.
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Also, latest international firmware for Stratos is 2.3.6.1, and you are still running 2.3.4.0... Latest Amasfit app version may make a difference too... Auto-pause may make a difference too: either disable or use something other than "stand still".
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Auto-pause may make a difference too: either disable or use something other than "stand still".
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Are there other settings for Auto-pause than "on/off"? If so, where can I find them on the pace?
Profil Climbing and profil Trail Running have only Auto-pause "on/off" on ROM Pacificator WOS 2.6.3.1.
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Are there other settings for Auto-pause than "on/off"? If so, where can I find them on the pace?
Profil Climbing and profil Trail Running have only Auto-pause "on/off" on ROM Pacificator WOS 2.6.3.1.
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Not all activities have the other options, then you can try disabling it and use the button to pause manually. When recording walkings I found that it was too sensitive and it added a lot of bad data points to GPS when enabled.
lfom said:
Not all activities have the other options, then you can try disabling it and use the button to pause manually. When recording walkings I found that it was too sensitive and it added a lot of bad data points to GPS when enabled.
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I experienced the same phenomena. Thats why I stopped using "Auto-pause" and was wondering now about the possibility of finetuning autopause. Which activities have this, I couldn't find any?
Edit:
I found one: Cycling (1km/h steps)
Thats understandable but with the bad HDOP&VDOP filtering the Pace has, configurable Autopause in 0.1km/h steps could help in other activities too.
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I experienced the same phenomena. Thats why I stopped using "Auto-pause" and was wondering now about the possibility of finetuning autopause. Which activities have this, I couldn't find any?
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Run has an settings based on pace, Outdoor cycling has it based on speed. "Common" walk doesn't have it, it's either on or off.
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the firmware now is 2.3.6.1 (2.3.4.0 is when that particular climbing activity on 1 september ),
I always off the 'Auto pause' except the first time i use the watch, because it keep on pausing (because my activity is inside the forest).
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KSCwCRNmbnLdRgJaI1x9lkoogJN0Qv25
this is the list of all my activity, it is true that '3d data' will affect the total mileage. When I on '3d data' to climb the mountain, the total mileage is 20+% higher, but it is 3 to 5% higher when only the small hill.
However, activity after 29 september , '3d data' is set to 'off', the total mileage still 3 to 5 % higher.
lfom said:
Did you check the altitude graph? It seems that run/walk use GPS for altitude whereas trail run/climb use the barometer. I still think it's related to 3D Data: the higher the altitude change, the higher will be the final difference in distance when compared to common "2D" data.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=10whj9izJoNCdXGQOxWMZ-pvTdYv2fW5e
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1PjBOYg-Op3nOSbuGoq2i7gDrRceBq7On
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1T-pJWxehu0a7TpqhL1-7S3Is7GkLR5eb
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1PXFCi2TMMsf94Kt5GxrWCkF-J_3S8JQp
those are the elevation profile of activity on '1/9 climb 3d-on', '3/11 walk 3d-off', '10/11 run 3d-off' & '17/11 trail run 3d-off', it seem that all altitude record by Amazfit is lower than which corrected by 'Strava' or ' gpsvisualizer.com' or record by handphone.
Any solution to keep the total mileage within 1 to 2%? after off the 'auto pause' & '3d data' ? 3 to 5% is still consider too high.
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Having a look at your pictures your altitude data is much better than that what my pace produces before this was "corrected" by the phone app.
I guess that means it comes from the phone app.
So that leaves us 3 options:
1)
Those 3 altitude correcting sources you use:
Amazfit
Strava
GPS visualizer
are probably using different altitude maps - meaning you can't compare them and have to decide which one you use. I guess the one from amazfit
has a lower resolution compared to those from Strava&GPS visualizer. You probably can't change the altitude mapsource of those 3 apps - just decide which one you prefer and stick to it.
2)
If I'm using altitude correction I don't rely on either of those apps but use LIDAR maps which have a higher resolution and therefore representing the altitude of the area better:
http://data.opendataportal.at/dataset/dtm-germany
To do that I need the RAW data from the watch, which I get as mentioned via a python script as tcx files directly from the watch. Edit: One could use the gpx file which the watch procides under activities but the program I use for reprocessing the track does not recognize the included heartrate data. Otherwise internal created gpx and external created tcx don't differ much.
My resolution: another app
3)
The third option I see would be relying on the altitude data the watch provides, which I personaly found not reliable at all. I guess that has something to do with the filtering of weak signal from the gps chip, which is done by the gps firmware. To solve this problem we can only hope for some better filtering via GPS firmware by the manufacturer.
Hello,
I noticed that when I track an activity the speed and location are definitely based on GPS satellites however the altitude is completely wrong probably based on barometer? What's the point of this feature when you have GPS?
I hiked from 2200m to 2300m and it shows I went from 2000 to 3100 with all kind of up and downs in-between. Can I force it to use GPS for altitude?
-sandro- said:
Hello,
I noticed that when I track an activity the speed and location are definitely based on GPS satellites however the altitude is completely wrong probably based on barometer? What's the point of this feature when you have GPS?
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I have the Bip S and this device has no baremeter anymore and it shows no altitude at all after recording a training. I asked the amazfit support exactly your question. Here the answer:
"As I know, the altitude data recorded by the GPS sensor is not very reliable. So the unreliable data will not be shown in the app. Hope you understand!"
The good side: A lot of tools are adding altitude automatically, e.g. when I upload the .gpx without altitude to Strava, Strava adds automatically the altitude according the location. Or you can add it by yourself with https://www.gpsvisualizer.com/elevation Maybe you can "fix" your altitudes like this.
How do I get gpx data once the recording is on the mifit app?
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How do I get gpx data once the recording is on the mifit app?
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Ah yes, with Bip you have MiFit app, this app does not have the gpx export feature.
With Bip S you have to use the "Amazfit App", there you have the .gpx export feature or the "sync with Strava" feature. I am not sure if you can use the Amazfit App with the old Bip, I think I have read that it should be possible.
For me it is still strange, that they have two apps doing more or less exactly the same....
Insnt it more strange that they can track location and not altitude? Like it's much different of a calculation when you have satellites.
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Insnt it more strange that they can track location and not altitude? Like it's much different of a calculation when you have satellites.
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It tracks altitude, but it is not displayed. The support is not that wrong with the answer. There are a lot of articles in the internet about accuracy of gps vs barometric altitude. e.g.:
https://geoawesomeness.com/accurate-altimeter-gps-watch/
For GPS it depends heavily if you have a good satellite constellation or not.
I was leaning very heavy to the T-Rex Pro..... but was unaware of the Android based options like the Stratos since they don't show up on the US site.
What I'm really looking for is a day to day things like sleep tracking, steps, and workouts and the ability to view GPS coordinates when I'm hiking with maybe a way to save waypoints and "navigate" to them with a simple arrow and distance.
Can any of the watches do everything I want?
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I was leaning very heavy to the T-Rex Pro..... but was unaware of the Android based options like the Stratos since they don't show up on the US site.
What I'm really looking for is a day to day things like sleep tracking, steps, and workouts and the ability to view GPS coordinates when I'm hiking with maybe a way to save waypoints and "navigate" to them with a simple arrow and distance.
Can any of the watches do everything I want?
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