Hi,
I have a Galaxy S9 Plus arriving tomorrow that I had intended to use with Filmic Pro and a Zhiyun Smooth 4 stabilizer (anyone got one?).
Somewhat belatedly, I've just discovered (here) that inbuilt restrictions prevent Filmic Pro from using the second rear camera.
Has anyone any experience of using the Filmic Pro's zoom function without the S9 Plus's optical zoom?
Thanks,
John Latter
Sadly it's true..
Samsung S9 and S9+ FiLMiC Pro v6 Compatibility Guide
The Samsung S9 and S9+ are capable of absolutely stunning footage when used with FiLMiC Pro v6 for Android, and we have worked hard to bring the best possible shooting experience to both handsets. However there are two issues that can impact on the available features you have access to and overall performance on the S9/S9+.
Samsung’s implementation of the camera framework
Firstly, Samsung’s implementation of the Android camera framework denies third party developers access to some feature that are available in the native Samsung camera app. This includes high-speed framerates such as 60fps, 120fps and 240fps.
On Exynos equipped devices we have found a workaround that allows us to deliver high speed framerates even though not officially supported (up to 240fps at 1080p, and up to 60fps at 4k), however this is not applicable to snapdragon equipped devices (see below for more information).
The current Samsung camera framework implementation also prevents third party developers from supporting the dual lenses found on the S9+. At present only the wide lens is supported.
Finally, in order to deliver stable 4k performance we need to use Samsung's 'limited' mode that prevents access to the cinematographer kit LOG/FLAT profiles as well as custom white balance controls.
The Snapdragon CPU
And secondly, in addition to Samsung’s restrictive implementation of the camera framework, they chose to produce the S9 and S9+ with two different CPUs: an Exynos version - and a Snapdragon version.
You can find out which CPU your devices uses with the app AIDA64.
Unfortunately not all chips are created equal and the Snapdragon version has the following limitations for video:
No support for 60fps at any resolution
Whilst we can bypass the Samsung 60fps limitation on Exynos devices, this is impossible on Snapdragon devices.
No support for 120fps.
Whilst we can bypass the Samsung 120fps limitation on Exynos devices, this is impossible on Snapdragon devices.
Automatic White Balance UI doesn’t update.
The camera driver doesn’t provide information about the current white balance being applied, so we cannot reflect this status on the UI on snapdragon equipped devices.
HDR video unsupported
On Exynos versions of the S9/S9+ we can support access to high dynamic range video recordings, however this is not currently supported on Snapdragon equipped handsets.
hardecore said:
Samsung S9 and S9+ FiLMiC Pro v6 Compatibility Guide
HDR video unsupported
On Exynos versions of the S9/S9+ we can support access to high dynamic range video recordings
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Do you plan to implement and release HDR recording for the Exynos version anytime soon?
hardecore said:
Sadly it's true... (followed by the Samsung S9 and S9+ FiLMiC Pro v6 Compatibility Guide)
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According to this thread on the US Samsung Community forums, the 2 x optical zoom is not available to S9 Plus owners in Pro Mode.
In "Auto Mode" the second rear camera may or may not be selected by the software, depending - apparently - on "how much light is available".
In other words, there are probably lots of S9 Plus owners walking around thinking they've just taken a zoomed photo whereas in reality it's likely to be only a digital crop.
Amazing!
John Latter said:
Hi,
I have a Galaxy S9 Plus arriving tomorrow that I had intended to use with Filmic Pro and a Zhiyun Smooth 4 stabilizer (anyone got one?).
Somewhat belatedly, I've just discovered (here) that inbuilt restrictions prevent Filmic Pro from using the second rear camera.
Has anyone any experience of using the Filmic Pro's zoom function without the S9 Plus's optical zoom?
Thanks,
John Latter
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I don't have any experience with Filmic Pro.
But the default Samsung camera app also doesn't use the secondary camera for video. So it's not different.....
I had a few back and forth converstions with Samsung and Filic Pro support teams.
The following is the correspondence with Filic pro ragarding the matter:
Blue is me and black is Filmic pro support
"I'm sure you guys get annoyed about hearing about samsung users questions, but unfortunately I do not see any clear and open communication about it.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S9+
I would like to know if you guys are working on support for 4k 60fps, 1080p 120fps, and use of the telephoto lens. If so, do you have an estimated time frame that each of these will be supported?
How can I, or other samsung users, help to make the dream of full feature utilization a reality?
thank you"
"Thank you for writing in. Unfortunately, the lack of support for frame rates above 30fps on your device is due to errors in Samsung's camera framework implementation on S9 series devices containing the Snapdragon chipset. To learn more about these limitations, please refer to this resource --> Samsung S9 and S9+ FiLMiC Pro v6 Compatibility Guide
Furthermore, Samsung currently restrict 3rd party developers from accessing the tele lens on their devices. They told us at their developers conference last year that they plan to address this problem, but they are running late.
If Samsung correct these issues in the future, we will be quick to support for the features you mention. The best we can do is continue to raise the issue with Samsung until they recognize their users' demand for these repairs."
"I contacted you guys a few days ago regarding the S9+ and it's features and I received a very informative response that helped me a lot; so thanks for that!
I then decided to contact Samsung about the same issues and they seem to not be on the same page as you guys. After 2 support inquiries here is what I received from Samsung:
"We understand you would like Samsung to enable the [email protected], 1080p @ 60/120/240fps and utilization of telephoto lens to Filmic Pro app.
In the previous email, our agent had informed the camera specifications which the Galaxy S9+ supports. Indeed the Galaxy S9+ hardware supports [email protected] and 1080p @ 60/120/240fps using the in built Samsung camera app.
As the hardware supports the required format for videos, it is upon us the app developers to utilize the Camera hardware and develop the app code which can support this feature.
Samsung cannot change the software for the Camera if third party apps cannot utilize the camera hardware of Galaxy S9+. In this situation, we request to contact the app developer again and confirm if there are new updates available for the app which can support the camera hardware of Galaxy S9+."
With this in mind, it seems that they (or at least their support staff) believe that there are no restrictions on what 3rd party developers can do with the Samsung hardware. Because they are such a large company I would understand that their support staff is not privy to the detailed information of this one specific issue, but I'm curious if the entire company is not actually aware of the issue.
I realize this is a vague question, but I'm wondering if there is anything that can be done to push Samsung to allow Filmic pro to access all of the features that it's hardware provides. I have done extensive research of message boards and forums, but to no avail.
Can you point me in the right direction? Can we start some sort of petition? What can we do to get Samsungs attention?"
"Thanks very much for the followup. While it's true that Exynos devices are capable of the high fps/resolution combinations he mentions, S9 devices containing the Snapdragon chipset cannot achieve this with stability. It's a bit unclear to me, but it almost looks like he claims that 3rd party developers might now have access to both front facing lenses (!!). I at least I think that's what he means by "we request to contact the app developer again and confirm if there are new updates available for the app which can support the camera hardware of Galaxy S9+."
Anyway, I'm going to pass this along to the development team now to determine if maybe we did miss something in a system update that might grant us access to more features (at least for Snapdragon variants of S9 series devices, if we're lucky). We do understand that Samsung place restrictions on 3rd party developers in this manner, but we were told by Samsung at their developers conference last year that they plan to lift some of these restrictions. Maybe they changed their mind and pressing them with more requests for this improvement is not such a bad idea."
Conclusion:
Although I did not completely determine both company's standing on the issue, at least some light was shed on the matter. It also seems that Filmic pro will now press the issues further with Samsung to open up full feature capability at a future date.
If anyone knows of a way that we can group together in an effort to get Samsung's attention, please post about it here.
Just use an iphone. Had issues with my gimbal, drones, YOU name IT on android. No Issues on the iPhone.
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tharealmb said:
I don't have any experience with Filmic Pro.
But the default Samsung camera app also doesn't use the secondary camera for video. So it's not different.....
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Hello
On Oreo Samsung Camera app used Telephoto lens for video as well when there is enough light before you start recording it will switch to Telephoto. adjusting the zoom from 2.0 anywhere else while you are recording switches to Wide lens. (You can see shift in perspective and hear the click).
I could easily test this by pointing the camera directly to a light bulb before starting a recording on AUTO with 2x zoom.. (this doesn't work on current latest build of Pie and stock Camera app for video.
On Oreo you can verify that Telephoto lens is used by sticking some object or your finger in front of the wide lens while recording. ]
What makes me pissed off the most on Pie is that there is no support for Pro Mode Video - you cannot set manual ISO and/or Shutter and this was the main reasons why I purchased Filmic Pro.
To my surprise on Pie / Exynos The Filmic Pro app is able to switch apertures as well. I haven't see this on any other 3rd party camera app.
Regards,
Martin
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I googled everywhere, but can't seems to to find anything on it. Is it possible at all or not due to SoC?
I would highly doubt it, mainly because the pixel has 1 back camera and the mate has 3
Could still happen, other phones have more than one camera and have had it ported over, OnePlus 6, LG g6 etc etc but the only Thing that might be an issue it them. Phones have had snapdragon processors as opposed to Huawei Kirin.
Gitaroo said:
I googled everywhere, but can't seems to to find anything on it. Is it possible at all or not due to SoC?
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Porting Google Camera is much easier from Snapdragon SoC to Snapdragon SoC, yet there are still issues on OnePlus phones cause of the different sensors. I'm afraid it would take someone in the knowledge and motivated to properly port GCam for Kirin, and then you have the problem of the multiple lenses, something GCam doesn't support natively. First and foremost Huawei should just significantly cut back denoising and some of the sharpening, or just offer the option. Otherwise stock camera app is well rounded (minus GCam's awesome photosphere).
Night Signt is what I am more interested in from the new Google cam.
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Porting Google Camera is much easier from Snapdragon SoC to Snapdragon SoC, yet there are still issues on OnePlus phones cause of the different sensors. I'm afraid it would take someone in the knowledge and motivated to properly port GCam for Kirin, and then you have the problem of the multiple lenses, something GCam doesn't support natively. First and foremost Huawei should just significantly cut back denoising and some of the sharpening, or just offer the option. Otherwise stock camera app is well rounded (minus GCam's awesome photosphere).
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You are absolutely right. Some tweaks from Huawei and the stock camera App is brilliant. There is no need fpr GCam on Huawei especially since Huawei started with those dedicated night modes.
The problem does not seem to be the SOC as Mate 10 pro has a perfectly usable GCam port but the P20 pro doesn't. The problem is with the IMX 600 on the P20 Pro and Mate 20 Pro as it enables pixel binding technology to capture HDR photos within the sensor itself rather than stacking different shots together. The pixel binding technology relays on the sensor to capture four pictures at once while other HDR technology only captures one photo at each shot. Oneplus uses the same technology on its secondary sensors so If there if any ports are working with the Oneplus's secondary sensor, then it might as well working on the Huawei devices. But If that's not the case, then it's not likely for us to get hands on any workable GCam shortly.
What a shame. imo the Mate 20 pro cam modules are really capable, but the software tends to screw up my images. I mean as mentioned, the sharpening, and the noise reduction is way over the top, and makes the images oilpaintings rather than actual pictures.
Even Google's Photo Scan App is not compatible with Mate 20 Pro
sajokj said:
Even Google's Photo Scan App is not compatible with Mate 20 Pro
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but you know, you can download this apk and its working perfectly
Also waiting for this :angel:
I tried many ports but nothing worked. Agree with Don.Chen's insight, I also found M20P compatible with some P20P's ports, but not the M10 ports. Miss GC's Portrait mode. Basically hardly any support for Kirin processors. Saw people mentioned Huawei's Camera API 2 is blocked, thus GC will not work for HDR+.
I hope some devs will turn and give it a try to mods gcam to work with our device
This version works well with mate 20 pro
sam1374 said:
This version works well with mate 20 pro
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You are right, it works ? however it crashes when opening the settings, but it's still something.
Here's the link if anyone wants to try:
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/googl...amera-5-1-018-177624777-android-apk-download/
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You are right, it works ? however it crashes when opening the settings, but it's still something.
Here's the link if anyone wants to try:
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/googl...amera-5-1-018-177624777-android-apk-download/
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Is this from pixel 3?
At least it works . And it's real 40 MP photos with zoom.
I tried one of the gcam version but it didnt work correct, so I deleted it. But i have a feeling that after that my camera doesent work so good anymore, it doesent take so good pictures anymore. Do you think that something like that is possible, or it is just my feeling? I dont have any good pictures to compare between, so it is hard to prove.
No change in terms of quality here. I guess you could do a soft reset? Has anyone found a port for wide angle support? Thanks
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This version works well with mate 20 pro
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Are you using a mate 20 pro? The reason I ask is because I see VOLTE.
Hello. Will there be 60 fps support for filming for these devices ( poco f1, mix2s, mi8, mi9, all that have a snapdragon 845-855 processor )in your program (FiLMiC Pro, gcam and similar )?
Why do you need in other applications? The fact is that these programs are richest in their functionality compared to stock applications.
Or will it never happen?
Robot_01 said:
Hello. Will there be 60 fps support for filming for these devices ( poco f1, mix2s, mi8, mi9, all that have a snapdragon 845-855 processor )in your program (FiLMiC Pro, gcam and similar )?
Why do you need in other applications? The fact is that these programs are richest in their functionality compared to stock applications.
Or will it never happen?
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The support for 60 fps recording is already official on devices like poco F1. Now it's upto the Dev of a particular app if he wants to implement the same. Gcam for example made available for non pixel devices by community devs rather than the OEM (Google) itself. If the Dev thinks it'll be useful and doesn't require too much effort and won't break any basic functions, he can choose to implement on his mods of the gcam app. Same goes for others.
What you can do now is ask the Dev himself if he can implement such and such features.
MasterFURQAN said:
The support for 60 fps recording is already official on devices like poco F1. Now it's upto the Dev of a particular app if he wants to implement the same. Gcam for example made available for non pixel devices by community devs rather than the OEM (Google) itself. If the Dev thinks it'll be useful and doesn't require too much effort and won't break any basic functions, he can choose to implement on his mods of the gcam app. Same goes for others.
What you can do now is ask the Dev himself if he can implement such and such features.
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I contacted FiLMiC Pro technical support - they said that they would do this quickly and only when the OEM manufacturer provided the source code to unlock some features, such as 60 FPS video in third-party programs.
Robot_01 said:
I contacted FiLMiC Pro technical support - they said that they would do this quickly and only when the OEM manufacturer provided the source code to unlock some features, such as 60 FPS video in third-party programs.
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I read somewhere that the libs for 60 fps were made open source sometime ago. I don't remember exactly where. You should begin by searching the most active threads like the bootloader unlock one.
Robot_01 said:
Hello. Will there be 60 fps support for filming for these devices ( poco f1, mix2s, mi8, mi9, all that have a snapdragon 845-855 processor )in your program (FiLMiC Pro, gcam and similar )?
Why do you need in other applications? The fact is that these programs are richest in their functionality compared to stock applications.
Or will it never happen?
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Yes, ofcourse because as compared to stock camera application Google camera is the best because their image processing software is best, that's why they can produce images like DSLR ,if you think that mi is not good at stock camera because they focus on hardware rather than software...So,camera of mi+gcam=DSLR .. Thank you
Discuss about the S21 GCam Ports here whenever they're out
Is that the Google Camera? Being a Pixel owner the last few years I would love it if the camera app worked on the S21.
lywyn said:
Is that the Google Camera? Being a Pixel owner the last few years I would love it if the camera app worked on the S21.
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Yeah there are already google camera ports for the S20 and they will probably make it compatible or make a good config with the S21
historys said:
Yeah there are already google camera ports for the S20 and they will probably make it compatible or make a good config with the S21
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Hi,
Pre-ordered the 21 Ultra yesterday, will also be looking for a working Gcam mod for this new phone.
Also I try to use Google Dialer app for S21 too!!
kenfb1 said:
Hi,
Pre-ordered the 21 Ultra yesterday, will also be looking for a working Gcam mod for this new phone.
Also I try to use Google Dialer app for S21 too!!
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Congrats! it's a great phone
also GCam might not get ported to the exynos version (or it will but will take more time than the snapdragon version) i'm not sure though
Was able to try out Gcam on a Snapdragon store demo model today. Works similar to S20/Note 20 series in that front camera still doesn't work and Zoran's package fix enables the telephoto cameras to work. Pictures of all 4 rear cameras attached using Wichaya's gcam, might not look the best since I quickly used my S20 Ultra's profile without having time to tweak it.
Is there much benefit to GCam here? Samsung's app looks good from what I've seen.
On my Oneplus 6 it was useful, as the Oneplus app lacks panorama and Googles image processing is better.
Maddmatt said:
Is there much benefit to GCam here? Samsung's app looks good from what I've seen.
On my Oneplus 6 it was useful, as the Oneplus app lacks panorama and Googles image processing is better.
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It depends on whether or not you like Samsung's image processing. I personally still don't though will admit they have improved over time. The biggest issue is still under lower light, where they have aggressive sharpening and noise reduction. Fine details are often a problem indoors, like hair or fur. The main camera's sensor is pretty large so that helps, but the ultra wide and telephoto sensors aren't so it's more noticeable.
For those curious, I used Wichaya's Samsung Gcam here (3rd one): https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/changelog1501/
I've not used gcam before - you can still just switch between the apps can't you? If so, it'd be good to have both and compare
how do we get the 2 zoom lenses to work with the above gcam ?
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how do we get the 2 zoom lenses to work with the above gcam ?
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Got my Snapdragon S21 Ultra and here are my findings so far. It seems Gcam will freeze up more often in low light (you can unfreeze it by switching cameras, but it will freeze again after a few seconds). Telephoto camera and ultra wide are more likely to freeze because they have a smaller sensor thus less light. I've updated my XML for Wichaya's gcam that should work a little bit better.
*UPDATE* seems like setting stream configs helps stability and reduces/gets rid of freezing. Attached is updated XML.
beserker15 said:
Got my Snapdragon S21 Ultra and here are my findings so far. It seems Gcam will freeze up more often in low light (you can unfreeze it by switching cameras, but it will freeze again after a few seconds). Telephoto camera and ultra wide are more likely to freeze because they have a smaller sensor thus less light. I've updated my XML for Wichaya's gcam that should work a little bit better.
*UPDATE* seems like setting stream configs helps stability and reduces/gets rid of freezing. Attached is updated XML.
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how i put xml file in gcam?you can show me pls the way pls
oraned said:
how i put xml file in gcam?you can show me pls the way pls
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How to Load & Save XML Configs in Google Camera Ports
How to import and export settings/configs on Google Camera versions that support this feature.
www.celsoazevedo.com
beserker15 said:
How to Load & Save XML Configs in Google Camera Ports
How to import and export settings/configs on Google Camera versions that support this feature.
www.celsoazevedo.com
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thank you
Are you guys using the Snapdragon version ? The gcam I loaded can't take any photos at all.... Only black screen lol on exynos 2100
Thanks for updated XML file. Still get the odd freezing, but better. Yay to having an instant shutter again lol
eijnaix said:
Are you guys using the Snapdragon version ? The gcam I loaded can't take any photos at all.... Only black screen lol on exynos 2100
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ZGCAM 7.4 https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/changelog1340a/
Alright guys, just an update on my findings. It would appear that ZGcam is actually the best Gcam build for the S21 series right now on both Exynos and Snapdragon models. For some reason I can't seem to fully disable focus tracking so autofocus in lower light can be a hit or miss. There are also differences between the models though based on what Samsung has chosen to support and what they disable.
Snapdragon S21 series: Supports all rear cameras (for the S21 Ultra, that includes both the 3x and 10x telephoto). No gcam support video on the telephotos at the moment. Front facing cameras also do not work because Samsung disabled front camera RAW for S10/S20/S21 snap series with the exception for the S10 Lite and S20 FE.
Exynos S21 series: I don't own this but based on reports, the front camera will work! However, the telephoto cameras won't, so Exynos S21 series only support the main and ultra wide cameras. Since I don't have the Exynos model, try the XML for the Exynos S20 here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/working-gcam-and-config-for-s20-exynos.4203625/
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ZGCAM's official website (yes there are ads sadly) - https://koopahtmaniac.com/getLatest.php
Alright guys, just an update on my findings. It would appear that ZGcam is actually the best Gcam build for the S21 series right now on both Exynos and Snapdragon models. For some reason I can't seem to fully disable focus tracking so autofocus in lower light can be a hit or miss. There are also differences between the models though based on what Samsung has chosen to support and what they disable.
Snapdragon S21 series: Supports all rear cameras (for the S21 Ultra, that includes both the 3x and 10x telephoto). No gcam support video on the telephotos at the moment. Front facing cameras also do not work because Samsung disabled front camera RAW for S10/S20/S21 snap series with the exception for the S10 Lite and S20 FE.
Exynos S21 series: I don't own this but based on reports, the front camera will work! However, the telephoto cameras won't, so Exynos S21 series only support the main and ultra wide cameras. Since I don't have the Exynos model, my XML for it is just the one for my Snapdragon but with the telephoto options disabled since they don't work for it.
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Please post more comparison pictures in different lighting situations too
pharaohdk said:
Please post more comparison pictures in different lighting situations too
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I just posted on reddit since it's easier to do captions there. I only posted the telephoto cameras since they have a smaller sensor and benefit the most from gcam in my opinion.
https://www.reddit.com/r/samsung/comments/lb89no
Any chance of the Exynos model getting a gcam port that works with the telephot lenses?
The Samsung S21 series is an amazing flagship phone featured in 2021. It's great in many aspects. Though I think there are issues. The issue is that I don't think that we are getting the most out of this great hardware. Us owners of the S21 are not happy that a company which sells phones for over 1000euros won't add features which the users want such as full RAW support. We want RAW on all the cameras, not just the main and ultra wide ones. The telephoto cameras are not available in Pro mode. It would help people in many ways. Some people want the ability to do the post processing manually. This will result to get the most out of the photo if it was shot in RAW format.
Petition : http://chng.it/YVk72yhDYD
You can reply to this forum too : https://forum.developer.samsung.com...all-cameras-on-the-s21-s21-ultra-exynos/12549
Thanks for sharing!
Title says it all. I have already concluded that gCam is working so I need to know now if this very attractive HDR+-functionality within gCam works on this device? I would love to have some examples shots made with and without gCam and HDR+ if someone got something to show? If it's good I'll go and buy this phone soon.
Thank you guys! Cool forum by the way.
HDR+ is just the name of Google's implementation of image stacking (combining multiple shots into one photo, what all modern photos apps do). So HDR+ is the technology used within GCam.
If you use an app like the one described here for A52s:
G cam
There is any G cam available for Samsung galaxy A52s
forum.xda-developers.com
You even get two different implementations of HDR+ that you can switch between in the app:
- Regular "HDR+" which combines several underexposed (so too dark) photos into one.
- "HDR+ enhanced" which takes longer to take a shot, but as I understand then it will take pictures at different exposures (so one too dark, one too bright, and one just right) so that it can correctly display both bright and dark areas in the final photo.
For sample photos comparing the Samsung stock camera app and GCam on A52s, maybe I can just point you to my A52s user review. It's in Dutch, but you can just click on the pictures in it and the captions should be readable:
Samsung Galaxy A52s 5G, 6GB, 128GB opslag Zwart - SanderBos - Userreviews - Tweakers
tweakers.net
Beautifully answered, thank you!
Since I wrote this post I have decided to change my choice of phone the the Samsung flagship of 2019 the Galaxy s10. This one had other qualities than the a52 that I want more at this point. The only thing that concerns me is that it doesn't use Snapdragon which makes me believe I won't be able to use the gCam. But maybe there are better alternatives?
A52s xml 222 změna Vyvážení bílé
MGC_8.1.101_A9_GV1x_scan3d.apk