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so now that some people have this device, how smooth does the text look? no more pentile pixel layout should mean a gorgeous superb looking screen. my mouth is watering at the thought of OLED pixels without the fuzzy text look of the super amoled screens.
how do web pages look? small text, and text in general? is it really noticeable over the first galaxy s and nexus s screen?
To me it looks great
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does the screen look more pixelated than on the original galaxy s
it should look LESS pixelated than the galaxy s, but i dont know. that's what i'd like to know though.
wish there was some way to show close up smoothness of the screen to others out on the web thru pics or something, but its hard to do. maybe some close up shots?
you can always put a tiny droplet of water on the screen to magnify the pixels and take a pic.
Hi,
I have asked this question in a few other threads as well but I have some gradient issues which however doesn't appear to be a generic issue as I've not seen anyone else complain about it.
Text is as sharp as you would expect a screen of this size to be (I'm coming from the 4" LCD of X10i). Its slightly less sharp than the LCD but nothing unexpected.
Contrast is superb as are the viewing angles!
My display however shows colour banding as you can see in the grey background of the NeuralNet WP snapshot I uploaded (Sorry for the quality, its my X10)
Anyone else with this issue?
let me just dig out my SLR and take a picture of my screen, I too have "banding" but it's no worse than any other LCD/LED screen I've used.
It's certainly not something I can say I've noticed without actually looking for.
UncleScar said:
let me just dig out my SLR and take a picture of my screen, I too have "banding" but it's no worse than any other LCD/LED screen I've used.
It's certainly not something I can say I've noticed without actually looking for.
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The banding is much worse than on my old Galaxy Spica (24bit LCD), but the overall screen quality is amazing and I don't notice the banding most of the time.
FPRobber said:
The banding is much worse than on my old Galaxy Spica (24bit LCD), but the overall screen quality is amazing and I don't notice the banding most of the time.
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Could it be that people coming from LCD displays are more sensitive to the banding effect?
When I compare the display with my X10i (LCD), the effect is apparent!
Aargh.. the display is so awesome .. why the doggone banding!!!
I played with a SGS2 for 20 minutes today. I was extremely bothered by the pentile on the original, so much that it's one of the main reasons I got rid of it.
Happy to report that there is NO pentile whatsoever on the new version and it looks exactly like a 4.3" 800x480 LCD does, but with SAMOLED Plus colors and contrast Pixels are pixels, like they should be.
I haven't had the Galaxy S, but my girlfriend uses the iphone 4, and I would say the Galaxy S 2 whups the iphone 4 on screen quality ( not resolution ) but over all clarity of images, web pages is alot better ( in my opinion. )
This screen is much better bcause of its real stripe matrix. Compared to a friends iPhone 4 a couple of nights back, particularly in terms of text in the browser. Text on the iPhone is definitely better with its pixel density, but the difference really is not that great at all - he was actually really surprised when I told him the actual resolution, because he thought they looked so close in terms of clarity!
NZtechfreak said:
This screen is much better bcause of its real stripe matrix. Compared to a friends iPhone 4 a couple of nights back, particularly in terms of text in the browser. Text on the iPhone is definitely better with its pixel density, but the difference really is not that great at all - he was actually really surprised when I told him the actual resolution, because he thought they looked so close in terms of clarity!
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The iphone 4 doesnt get colour banding... My SGS II screen looks like its only 16bit colour.....
cheetah2k said:
The iphone 4 doesnt get colour banding... My SGS II screen looks like its only 16bit colour.....
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I'd bet a lot of money that it IS only 16 bit color right now. Samsungs other amoled screens were only 16 bit color when they came out on the nexus one etc.
I had a Galaxy S and compared them side by side.
There's no question about it - the S II looks ten times better than the original. There's no more of the graininess, and despite the slightly lower pixel density it appears sharper as the fuzzy edges caused by PenTile are gone.
Colours are also smoother since the slight graininess is gone.
I don't watch Netflix on my phones that much, but i was bored today on lunch and decided to watch a Doctor Who episode. I noticed that the video playback was very dark and grainy (brightness all the way up). I'm sure others have noticed this as well but i couldn't find any posts about it. I know that the phone is capable of 1080p playback so i fired up an HQ youtube video and it looked anything but high quality. The pentile display could be the culprit in this case, but it seems like it would be the gpu because it still seems like the resolution is low. Thoughts? Comments?
Hd on my phone looks great. I won't deny the pentile display leaves a lot to be desired, but not on pictures and videos. At least for me.
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The graniness during playback is a negative characteristic of the pentile display that some people notice and others don't. The graniness is greatly reduced (even eliminated) when you turn the brightness down. I would recommend turning the brightness down to the lowest setting. The photon's display is so bright that you will probably never need to turn it up.
I noticed the dark grainy too, I thought it was just the program I was watching.
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The graniness during playback is a negative characteristic of the pentile display that some people notice and others don't. The graniness is greatly reduced (even eliminated) when you turn the brightness down. I would recommend turning the brightness down to the lowest setting. The photon's display is so bright that you will probably never need to turn it up.
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I've tried that and the quality was a bit better, however the contrast ratio on this phone is so great that the darks are dark as hell. I don't notice the pentile "screen door effect" unless i am looking for it, or if it catches my eye for a split second. Oh well, i still love the phone, i guess the Iphone's retina display spoiled me.
I dont think its the videos or the software playing the video. Its the Display Technology Moto chose to run with. Ive been on 30+ android / windows mobile / ios phones and this phone has the worse Display I have ever seen.
Its great that the display is in QHD res but the colors are awful on this phone. Coming from Evo 3D / Nexus 4G those 2 phones alone have bright colors. Especially the Nexus since it uses a AMOLED screen.
The photon is a GREAT phone but the display is just crazy bad. All my pictures / videos don't have enough color to them which then give it that grainy look. Shouldn't have to turn brightness down but even while doing that, there is still grainy picture.
Ima hold on to the photon for a lil while longer and then might jump to GSII.
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I dont think its the videos or the software playing the video. Its the Display Technology Moto chose to run with. Ive been on 30+ android / windows mobile / ios phones and this phone has the worse Display I have ever seen.
Its great that the display is in QHD res but the colors are awful on this phone. Coming from Evo 3D / Nexus 4G those 2 phones alone have bright colors. Especially the Nexus since it uses a AMOLED screen.
The photon is a GREAT phone but the display is just crazy bad. All my pictures / videos don't have enough color to them which then give it that grainy look. Shouldn't have to turn brightness down but even while doing that, there is still grainy picture.
Ima hold on to the photon for a lil while longer and then might jump to GSII.
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Oh boy, brace yourself for the wrath that will ensue... Let me run for cover.
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Oh boy, i think i can smell whats coming... sorry for starting Display War II.
The blacks being to dark is black crush. This can be fixed with software. Hopefully something like voodoo will come out to allow us to make these changes.
Also note that display also has white sub pixels in addition to RGB which is supposed to increase the perception of brightness without being brighter. At least that is what i understood.
Last note when watching netflix, 4g and wifi seem best. Not sure if the limited 3g bandwith could be lacking the addition black information making the blacks crush.
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The blacks being to dark is black crush. This can be fixed with software. Hopefully something like voodoo will come out to allow us to make these changes.
Also note that display also has white sub pixels in addition to RGB which is supposed to increase the perception of brightness without being brighter. At least that is what i understood.
Last note when watching netflix, 4g and wifi seem best. Not sure if the limited 3g bandwith could be lacking the addition black information making the blacks crush.
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Black Crush. That is exactly what it is. Everything else in this phone is near perfect. GPS locks in seconds. Speaker for music is loud and clear. Camera takes beautiful pictures. The camcorder is beautiful also at 720p 30 frames per sec. Phone is beast. Only draw back i see is the display BUT phone is nice and bright while outside in direct sunlight. As for the display i guess thats when DLNA and Micro HDMI come in LOLOL.
The over-saturated colors are worst when shooting skin tones. For white skin, it makes it look too red, saturated and contrasty. I've emailed support to request some more options for color (and focus). You can switch it to portrait mode which helps, but then you lose the rapid-fire option.
A tip to help the camera color reproduction a bit is to go to the camera settings>image adjustments and turn contrast and saturation one notch down. Then colors seem more natural/neutral. The only issue is that one notch each is a bit too far. I'd like to see more steps in those controls, since the perfect setting would be somewhere in between.
I prefer a bit less contrast and saturation than more, so I'm leaving the settings lower, and will punch them up manually on the rare occasions where I want to push them.
The screen seems to be oversaturated, if you look at your pictures on another screen they look more normal.
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The screen seems to be oversaturated, if you look at your pictures on another screen they look more normal.
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You're absolutely right. I always thought this was the camera's fault, but I just compared the photos that look much more red than reality, and you were right - the colors are normal on my computer. It's disappointing to see such a beautiful screen do such a disservice to the device, but at least the problem is only on the screen and not in the photos.
Saturation has too much Red
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You're absolutely right. I always thought this was the camera's fault,
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I still think that the cam on the HTC Evo 4G LTE is much too reddish IMO, even when viewed on different monitors. And I agree, that the adjustments on the image settings, especially Saturation and Exposure seriously need finer increments. 1 notch in either direction is too much. I also agree the screen is beautiful, except it's also too saturated. Faces are too red. Maybe there's a hack to fix these issues, or will be hopefully, or idealy, HTC will take note and make these adjustments in an update.
Mine too. Is there any way to incorporate let's say droid x2 camera software into the evo's? I really liked the editing/zoom feature the dx2 had. The evo's editing/zoom features are pitiful
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Although I do agree the adjustments should be more incremental I also believe the camera software on the evo is the best of any smartphone ..
overclockers.ru is the best screen testers an this moment because
phonearena says that this display have very good color reproduction and ideal gray and white colors
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2742538
as you can see it is not so
www.overclockers.ru/lab/60510_3/Test_i_obzor_smartfona_Sony_Xperia_Z2.html#5
and overclokers everything correct tested
anandtech says that this display have ideal 6500k color temperature and superideal gray and white colors
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/S...Galaxy-S5-vs-G3-vs-One-M8-vs-iPhone-5s_id3810
as you can see it is not so
http://www.overclockers.ru/lab/63968_3/Obzor_i_testirovanie_Apple_iPhone_6.html#5
and overclokers everything correct tested
Now to the subject
Comparison in color reproduction
pink line should be as low as possible
alpha
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/10/13/2/037osnov_big.png
iphone 6
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/09/23/2/128_iphone6_big.png
lg g3
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/06/24/2/004_pict_big.png
xperia z3 compact
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/09/29/2/097_z3compact_big.png
The colored lines should be as close as possible to black line
alpha
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/10/13/2/036osnov_big.png
iphone 6
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/09/23/2/127_iphone6_big.png
lg g3
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/06/24/2/000_pict_big.png
xperia z3 compact
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/09/29/2/096_z3compact_big.png
clusters of white dots should be in a circle and as close as possible to the center point
alpha
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/10/13/2/040osnov_big.png
iphone 6
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/09/23/2/129_iphone6.png
lg g3
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/06/24/2/003_pict_big.png
xperia z3 compact
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/09/29/2/098_z3compact_big.png
blue line should be as close as possible to 6500K
alpha
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/10/13/2/038osnov_big.png
iphone 6
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/09/23/2/126_iphone6_big.png
lg g3
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/06/24/2/001_pict_big.png
xperia z3 compact
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/09/29/2/095_z3compact_big.png
also oled advantages:
1) no blur in menu and 60fps video (0.1 ms response time andstead 20 ms in lcd)
2) infinite contrast
3) ideal black color
4) no fall of contrast and brightness at the angle
Best screen at this moment
Haha your posts all over XDA are just hilarious! The Alphas screen is soooo of far from the best out there..... The statement makes me laugh. Have a look with you eyes instead of reading alot of biast c**p.
Thats funny 'cause I chose the Z3C over the Alpha because of the Alpha's pentile matrix screen. Text wasn't as sharp as I'd like it. I guess you have to see it in person to believe.
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Thats funny 'cause I chose the Z3C over the Alpha because of the Alpha's pentile matrix screen. Text wasn't as sharp as I'd like it. I guess you have to see it in person to believe.
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I held the alpha. At a normal distance pixels are not visible, will be visible only if you closer.
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Z3-Compact-vs-Galaxy-Alpha_13.jpg
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Z3-Compact-vs-Galaxy-Alpha_17.jpg
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Z3-Compact-vs-Galaxy-Alpha_15.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XTTD9UEtO8o#t=110
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B795vhPHvg&feature=player_detailpage#t=1204
Even a small photo and video comparisons, you can see the difference in the reality distortion and acidity from z3c even more.
also comparison with g3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XflawnPrGlc
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Haha your posts all over XDA are just hilarious! The Alphas screen is soooo of far from the best out there..... The statement makes me laugh. Have a look with you eyes instead of reading alot of biast c**p.
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Tell me what the best screen, and give me links to tests
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I held the alpha. At a normal distance pixels are not visible, will be visible only if you closer.
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Z3-Compact-vs-Galaxy-Alpha_13.jpg
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Z3-Compact-vs-Galaxy-Alpha_17.jpg
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Z3-Compact-vs-Galaxy-Alpha_15.jpg
Even a small photo comparisons, you can see the difference in the reality distortion and acidity from z3c even more
also comparison with g3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XflawnPrGlc
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I do a ton of reading. I said that Text don't show up as clear and that is something that each user has to see in person to verify since everyone's eyes aren't the same. A picture of a phone's screen isn't going to show that. If you can't see the difference, at normal distance, it doesn't mean other people can't too.
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I do a ton of reading. I said that Text don't show up as clear and that is something that each user has to see in person to verify since everyone's eyes aren't the same. A picture of a phone's screen isn't going to show that. If you can't see the difference, at normal distance, it doesn't mean other people can't too.
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Goodbye man. I have ton of proofs, you have nothing
the screen is nice im not sure why the reviewers needed a 1080p screen. i came from the nexus 5 which had a 1080p screen and the screen on this phone looks better.
I shere your opinion,I came from S.Galaxy s4 also with 1080p
screen is briljant
Not a chance. While it is a decent (at best) screen, its low resolution is exacerbated by the fact that it uses a Pentile subpixel matrix. Maybe it's colors are accurate or whatever those tests claim, but subjectively, it isn't even close to being the best screen out there, not by a long shot. My money is on the iPhone 6. Similar resolution as the Alpha, but a million times sharper.
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Not a chance. While it is a decent (at best) screen, its low resolution is exacerbated by the fact that it uses a Pentile subpixel matrix. Maybe it's colors are accurate or whatever those tests claim, but subjectively, it isn't even close to being the best screen out there, not by a long shot. My money is on the iPhone 6. Similar resolution as the Alpha, but a million times sharper.
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Agree!!
Iphone 6,not in my dreams m8 I will use Nokia 3310 rather iphone
All,
The one thing irritating me about the V30 is the screen during YouTube... The 18:9 resolution is a issue... .. YouTube has a pinch to zoom thing to fix this issue for full screen videos scaling properly... Samsung crops the videos... Is there something we can do for the LG V30?
Thanks,
Sean
What exactly is the issue here?
I've read your post 5 times trying to look for the problem
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What exactly is the issue here?
I've read your post 5 times trying to look for the problem
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Umgh the issue is there are black bars in the full screen videos in Youtube as the videos are 16:9 aspect ratio and V30 is 18:9... Samsung has a fix for the S8 which has a similar aspect ratio of cropping the video to fit the screen... Youtube's app supposedly fit videos to the screen with a pinch to zoom for 18:9 aspect ratio phones but doesn't seem to be working for V30.... Asking if anyone has a solution to this...
This pinch to zoom (or rather crop?) feature seems to be exclusive to the Pixel 2 XL at the moment.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/help/screen-youtube-t3583449
This works for the v30
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/help/screen-youtube-t3583449
This works for the v30
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Sorry, what method in that thread exactly works? I see people talking about a hidden menu, but I couldn't get that to activate, and I also see people talking about a modded YouTube. app. Which one did you mean?
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Sorry, what method in that thread exactly works? I see people talking about a hidden menu, but I couldn't get that to activate, and I also see people talking about a modded YouTube. app. Which one did you mean?
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The last couple of pages explaining the 2 apk files (modded YouTube app)
cazcryy said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/help/screen-youtube-t3583449
This works for the v30
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Thanks for this! Now if we could only get hdr support.
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What exactly is the issue here?
I've read your post 5 times trying to look for the problem
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basically he dislikes correct aspect ratios on the video and wants the video to fill the entire messed up ratio of the physical screen cause he doesn't like black bars.
it's the equivalent of "stretching" a 4:3 image to fit full screen on a 16:9 TV.
I've never comprehended why people prefer this. The video aspect ratio is how it was recorded. doing anything to it either crops out part of the image (old pan and scan style) or distorts the image making circles into ovals and such.
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basically he dislikes correct aspect ratios on the video and wants the video to fill the entire messed up ratio of the physical screen cause he doesn't like black bars.
it's the equivalent of "stretching" a 4:3 image to fit full screen on a 16:9 TV.
I've never comprehended why people prefer this. The video aspect ratio is how it was recorded. doing anything to it either crops out part of the image (old pan and scan style) or distorts the image making circles into ovals and such.
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Well it's a matter of personal preference. Some people want to watch content as it was meant to be, others want the full screen experience. Personally I would never stretch as it causes too much distortion, but I don't mind crop...for me the small loss in the edges of the picture is worth the more immersive experience. I do this on my PC monitor as well, I have an ultra wide monitor (21:9) and crop most 16:9 TV shows to fill the entire screen. I know some people would disagree, but who cares to each his own lol.
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Well it's a matter of personal preference. Some people want to watch content as it was meant to be, others want the full screen experience. Personally I would never stretch as it causes too much distortion, but I don't mind crop...for me the small loss in the edges of the picture is worth the more immersive experience. I do this on my PC monitor as well, I have an ultra wide monitor (21:9) and crop most 16:9 TV shows to fill the entire screen. I know some people would disagree, but who cares to each his own lol.
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absolutely it's personal preference, I don't fault you or anyone for that. Do what you like.
I've just never understood why filling a screen fully at the expense of lost information from the video is worth it. Even zooming in and cropping (no stretch) isn't benign. If the video is a certain resolution and aspect ratio, zooming and cropping misaligns the image's pixels to the screen's pixels causing a slight blurring. On a small mobile screen you'll likely not notice without grids and reference points though.
It's just the tech geek in me. Overscan is my bane... living through the age of curved CRTs and 16:9 movies chopped down to 4:3....gross... along with my arcade machine collection constantly fighting image geometry over the years...bleh. we finally get flat screens with one to one parity with the displayed images and then we back track to curved and cropping out things again. Lol.
You can do whatever... I'm just saying I'll never get it, lol.
New version fixes it. I tried and it works as intended.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/1...ngs-pinch-zoom-devices-like-galaxy-s8-lg-v30/
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New version fixes it. I tried and it works as intended.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/1...ngs-pinch-zoom-devices-like-galaxy-s8-lg-v30/
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Hey, awesome, thanks!
Got the update last night and you're right, as advertised, pinch to fill works!
https://youtu.be/8y7XGmORIXM
As an example of the preceding discussion, any V30 owner can now easily see for themselves the tradeoff of filling the screen.
Watching Electroboom's latest video, where he's ranting about YouTube demonetization, when I pinch to fill I cut off his forehead and his pants. Nothing is "stretched." (Also, "pan 'n scan" is the incorrect term to use here -- that's when a film is shot in a wide aspect ration but cut down, say for a 4:3 television, and since both characters can't fit on the narrower aspect ratio screen the view virtually "pans" between the two characters, whereas in the theater they'd both fit on the wide screen and there would be no panning.)
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New version fixes it. I tried and it works as intended.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/1...ngs-pinch-zoom-devices-like-galaxy-s8-lg-v30/
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Hey, awesome, thanks!
Got the update last night and you're right, as advertised, pinch to fill works!
https://youtu.be/8y7XGmORIXM
As an example of the preceding discussion, any V30 owner can now easily see for themselves the tradeoff of filling the screen.
Watching Electroboom's latest video, where he's ranting about YouTube demonetization, when I pinch to fill I cut off his forehead and his pants. Nothing is "stretched." (Also, "pan 'n scan" is the incorrect term to use here -- that's when a film is shot in a wide aspect ration but cut down, say for a 4:3 television, and since both characters can't fit on the narrower aspect ratio screen the view virtually "pans" between the two characters, whereas in the theater they'd both fit on the wide screen and there would be no panning.)
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Indeed, I have just updated Youtube and it works perfectly for me.
Thanks folks for your help with this
For the ones like me that want to keep aspect ratios as they are, they can always look for "21:9" or "18:9" clips on YouTube, they will fill their screen all right without distortion.
Today's Youtube app update has the pinch to zoom feature.