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I just purchased the flytouch 3 and it's meh ok. I was wondering how much better, same, or worse the Gtablet is over the flytouch 3. I rooted the flytouch with tims 5a. I will root the g-tablet as well.
Thoughts?
FlyTouch3 Vs Hannspree Hannspad SN10T (not the ViewSonic Gtab)
I bought the FlyTouch3 for my missed to mess around with for a while and at the time, we were rather impressed!
However, we didn't use it that much, as the overall quality was average due to the average screen quality, standard touch screen (not multi), no bluetooth, GPS was a pain (kept seeing us in China even various ROM's like Tim), audio was pretty rubbish (both inbuilt speakers and general sound), the battery was a little on the low side (gave us about 4-6 hours usage) and inbuilt camera was terrible.
I decided to pass it on to my Mother, whom was only wanting to use it for BBC iPlayer and random basics, so was fine and was about to get an ASUS Transformer, when we decided to save (quiet a bit of) money and go cheaper again (due to us doing a lot of expensive house renovations currently).
So far, months later, we're still impressed with the Hannspad The main thing missing is an inbuilt camera and GPS. Both these features are not ones we need, do to plenty of web cameras around the house to the main desktop and as we don't use it anywhere else, the GPS part isn't needed either (but can fix it via WiFi locking anyway).
The only reason I would agree on comparing them, is the cost factor. The Flytouch3 (with a 16Gb microSD Class 6) cost us just under £100 (imported by hand by friend) and the Hannspad was £120 (via an eBuyer offer). The Hannspad costs more, no matter what, but you also get a lot more for your money and the build quality is 'a lot' better too!
She's currently enjoying the Android world via Android 3.0.1 (Honeycomb ported ROM) and normally I'd have to push her to use her 'useful' toys, but I'm finding that she's actually using it on her own now, reading, replying, G+'ing, researching, Tweeting, a tiny bit of amazing gaming and just started installing random fun stuff from the market
She gets about 6-8 hours battery and with the recent Flashback 7.2 ported Honeycomb ROM, it's getting better (hopefully the lack of Gyroscope and Graphics card will be supported some day soon, which will boost the experience a huge amount) but meanwhile, we can always go back to Android 2.3.5 if doesn't happen soon enough
I know you all are probably tired of seeing this but I didn't see this question in the first 3 pages of the prime so i decided to ask once more.
i'm really debating if i should get this one...the ipad2 the ipad3 or wait until the infinity comes out.
to me the price is the biggest concern. the ipad2 right now is selling for $360. But I believe the prime is definitely better than the ipad2 but it is $499. The new Ipad3 is also $499 for the 16gb model and has a better display. I realize that the display might not be such a big deal but it can play 1080p..can the Prime play 1080p? or just 720p? Also people are claiming that the Ipad3 gets better FPS in games due to quad core graphics. Also when the infinity comes out the price is rumored to be at $599 ..so $100 more than the current transformer. From most reviews it seems like it will be the same thing just better res so i don't know if that is worth $100 more. I will have to stay at $500 or less.
Also, people have been saying that the latest software update fixed the GPS and wifi. Can someone please confirm this? I thought this was a hardware issue with the back cover being aluminum so i'm not sure how a software update can fix this.
I've always been anti-apple so its hard for me to buy an apple product now but the price of the ipad 2 seems too good to pass up and then when i consider getting the prime i can use that $ to get the ipad3 with a better display. So i'm having a hard time talking myself out of not getting apple at the moment.
I will mostly be using the tablet to watch movies (netflix...and others so i do need codec compatibility (like .avi and such), also for work (taking notes), and for light gaming..to moderate gaming.
You can do a few things:
1) Pick up the current Prime and try it out and return it if you don't like it or experience too many issues with it
2) You can do the same thing with the new iPad and return it if you aren't satisfied.
3) Or you can wait for the Infinity and wait for reviews to trickle out and see if ASUS has addressed many of the issues that still plague some of the current Prime tablets.
From a former TFP owner, I would not suggest you to get the Prime at all. You are better of waiting for the 700 or getting the iPad. The gps and weak wifi will never be fixed. It is a design issue. Look all all the people "solving" the gps issue with aluminum foil, or beer cans, or what not.
-the Prime does not have a 1080 p display so it won't play anything back in 1080p
-the graphics are better on the iPad. The A5 already smoked the Tegra 3 in some areas and now the improved A5x is "4 times the power of Tegra 3" (maybe a stretch, you are up to verifying this yourself.) and you bet there will be more high quality games on the iPad.
-the 700 will have a higher res screen but the most important IMO is the new plastic strip on the back for wifi and gps. (which is also a proof that that messed up the TFP)
-video codec handling will be different between iOS and android (superior on android) on Android you just transfer the video to your Prime and open it with a file manager then choose the app you want to play the video with, on iOS, you have to transfer the videos to the memory of a certain app and you will be able to play the videos with that certain app.
What sort of anti Apple are you. The "I hate Apple as a company and won't buy anything from them even if it is good" or the "I hate how Apple handles their OS", etc
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From a former TFP owner, I would not suggest you to get the Prime at all. You are better of waiting for the 700 or getting the iPad. The gps and weak wifi will never be fixed. It is a design issue. Look all all the people "solving" the gps issue with aluminum foil, or beer cans, or what not.
-the Prime does not have a 1080 p display so it won't play anything back in 1080p
-the graphics are better on the iPad. The A5 already smoked the Tegra 3 in some areas and now the improved A5x is "4 times the power of Tegra 3" (maybe a stretch, you are up to verifying this yourself.) and you bet there will be more high quality games on the iPad.
-the 700 will have a higher res screen but the most important IMO is the new plastic strip on the back for wifi and gps. (which is also a proof that that messed up the TFP)
-video codec handling will be different between iOS and android (superior on android) on Android you just transfer the video to your Prime and open it with a file manager then choose the app you want to play the video with, on iOS, you have to transfer the videos to the memory of a certain app and you will be able to play the videos with that certain app.
What sort of anti Apple are you. The "I hate Apple as a company and won't buy anything from them even if it is good" or the "I hate how Apple handles their OS", etc
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i'm more of a "i don't like apple because you don't get enough for the price" but that argument doesn't seem to apply at the moment. i did see the new acer iconia is coming out in april with the tegra 3. So i can wait another month and see if the transformer price goes down.
i don't know how you can say that tegra 3 is not better than the processor for ipad2 and not equivalent to the processor for ipad3. Where are you getting your comparisons?
i saw the following on zdnet. but note you get more texture and details with the tegra 3 in shadowgun..so the fps is lower..which makes sense. to compare as equals you would have to disable the textures and see what fps you get then.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/a5x-vs-tegra-3-benchmarked/19138
I bought my prime about 2 weeks ago brand new, was hoping for the latest serial but ended with a C10. So far NO issues at all, I don't use GPS on my tablet (never even tried it), I have a phone for that.
But wifi has been fine so far, weaker than my galaxy s2, but still useable at home and at school for me.
I use mines for eBooks, comics, movies, notetaking, and some small games. Haven't had any issues, positive experience so far
Look man. Iproducts are basically for kids and people who have no idea what theese things are supposed to be capable of in my opinion. Crippled machines. They couls be great but apple wants to squeeze every cent outa your wallet. Id rather have a pandigital novel.
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i'm more of a "i don't like apple because you don't get enough for the price" but that argument doesn't seem to apply at the moment. i did see the new acer iconia is coming out in april with the tegra 3. So i can wait another month and see if the transformer price goes down.
i don't know how you can say that tegra 3 is not better than the processor for ipad2 and not equivalent to the processor for ipad3. Where are you getting your comparisons?
i saw the following on zdnet. but note you get more texture and details with the tegra 3 in shadowgun..so the fps is lower..which makes sense. to compare as equals you would have to disable the textures and see what fps you get then.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/a5x-vs-tegra-3-benchmarked/19138
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ShadowGun is a different story. ShadowGun is optimized for Tegra 3 and was one of their "show off" games for Tegra. That doesn't mean that they can't replicate the same details on the A5X. But benchmarks don't matter. Im sure both processors are capable of pushing out great graphics. But the problem is which OS will push out more games that use such processing power. And you bet it is going to be on iOS.
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Look man. Iproducts are basically for kids and people who have no idea what theese things are supposed to be capable of in my opinion. Crippled machines. They couls be great but apple wants to squeeze every cent outa your wallet. Id rather have a pandigital novel.
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Woah. Calm down there. I use a Android phone and an iPad. Android phones are very capable but Android tabs are a different story. I think YOU don't know what your device is capable of. Im not the one running blown up SMARTPHONE apps on my TABLET. And before you tell me that apps on Android are designed to work with higher resolutions, there is a difference between blown up smart phone apps with great resolution versus tablet apps that actually take advantage of the screen estate.
Perhaps you could educate me on what you are capable of that general consumers care about but cant do on iOS.
For watching movie, I would say a Android Tablet, the Prime or other equivalant coming out, there are various topic on the general section, you can read about the tablet coming out then.
Here is the Tegra3 tablet coming out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1522707
1. Extra storage through Micro-SD, SD card (Drag and drop)
2. Multiple media player choice each with their own codec(Dice player, MX player, Mobo Player, etc)
xGary said:
From a former TFP owner, I would not suggest you to get the Prime at all. You are better of waiting for the 700 or getting the iPad. The gps and weak wifi will never be fixed. It is a design issue. Look all all the people "solving" the gps issue with aluminum foil, or beer cans, or what not.
-the Prime does not have a 1080 p display so it won't play anything back in 1080p
-the graphics are better on the iPad. The A5 already smoked the Tegra 3 in some areas and now the improved A5x is "4 times the power of Tegra 3" (maybe a stretch, you are up to verifying this yourself.) and you bet there will be more high quality games on the iPad.
-the 700 will have a higher res screen but the most important IMO is the new plastic strip on the back for wifi and gps. (which is also a proof that that messed up the TFP)
-video codec handling will be different between iOS and android (superior on android) on Android you just transfer the video to your Prime and open it with a file manager then choose the app you want to play the video with, on iOS, you have to transfer the videos to the memory of a certain app and you will be able to play the videos with that certain app.
What sort of anti Apple are you. The "I hate Apple as a company and won't buy anything from them even if it is good" or the "I hate how Apple handles their OS", etc
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-- I'm not sure what people really plan on using GPS for? I understand it's suppose to come w/ it... but it's not like these tablets are 3g/4g data ready. So what are they planning on doing w/ GPS?
-- I think 1080p is overrated for movies. For one, when you're DL/streaming movies, it's NEVER in 1080p. If you're some how ripping off Bluerays, than yes, it may matter. But most DL movies aren't in even 1080p.
And TBH, put a 1080p and 720p TV side by side..... you will not tell the difference. I use to be an installer for Magnolia HT. And we sat there comparing the pictures with REGULAR content -- meaning video games, normal HD content from Dish/Cable -- it will not make a difference. Again 1080p only starts to make a difference if you're playing 1080p content, which in reality isn't a lot.
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-- I'm not sure what people really plan on using GPS for? I understand it's suppose to come w/ it... but it's not like these tablets are 3g/4g data ready. So what are they planning on doing w/ GPS?
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Not sure what you mean. GPS is supposed to work with or without 3g/4g. I don't drive so sometimes when I bus/walk to places im not sure how to get there and GPS would come in handy. Heck, my campus is so big, I need gps to go to that one building in that one corner where I have to do that one exam. GPS is handy for me in many situations but the GPS on my 3 year old phone stopped working.
bluewr said:
For watching movie, I would say a Android Tablet, the Prime or other equivalant coming out, there are various topic on the general section, you can read about the tablet coming out then.
Here is the Tegra3 tablet coming out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1522707
1. Extra storage through Micro-SD, SD card (Drag and drop)
2. Multiple media player choice each with their own codec(Dice player, MX player, Mobo Player, etc)
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i think you are right. for me i need to get an android tablet. i like having the micro sd card slot for movies and play multiple codecs. Also, I would prefer to be able to connect the tablet to a TV via a hdmi and watch it. I don't think Apple allows you to do this unless you buy apple tv which cost more $. i'll wait until a few more tegra 3 tablets come out and force the transformer price to drop. i think if the transformer prime was at $450 right now i would probably get it.
If you want a boring ass tablet, definitely get the iPad 3. If not, you might as well wait for the Infinity. Or if you can't wait, if you find a TFP from your local Bestbuy...get it and buy the "buy back guarantee" that way you can retain most of the tablet's value and trade it in once the Infinity is out.
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Not sure what you mean. GPS is supposed to work with or without 3g/4g. I don't drive so sometimes when I bus/walk to places im not sure how to get there and GPS would come in handy. Heck, my campus is so big, I need gps to go to that one building in that one corner where I have to do that one exam. GPS is handy for me in many situations but the GPS on my 3 year old phone stopped working.
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Wouldn't that require you knew where you were going? To insure you ALREADY have the latest information w/ that city? Meaning you're going to have to DL all maps for said city that you're even trying to navigate to right?
In which case your GPS would just be supplemental considering you'd have an idea and already have a map?
If you wanted to use GPS in an unknown area, I don't believe GPS will be able to just randomly DL the area information and give you an idea where you're at, other than Lon/Lat?|
Maybe I'm not understanding how GPS works that well lol. I know it can tell you where you ARE, but you still need some type of data to give you an idea of where you want to go.
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Wouldn't that require you knew where you were going? To insure you ALREADY have the latest information w/ that city? Meaning you're going to have to DL all maps for said city that you're even trying to navigate to right?
In which case your GPS would just be supplemental considering you'd have an idea and already have a map?
If you wanted to use GPS in an unknown area, I don't believe GPS will be able to just randomly DL the area information and give you an idea where you're at, other than Lon/Lat?|
Maybe I'm not understanding how GPS works that well lol. I know it can tell you where you ARE, but you still need some type of data to give you an idea of where you want to go.
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It actually depends on which Navigation app you use...there are some that don't require data usage, therefor all the maps are saved into an sd card. For example, NAVIGON doesn't require data usage.
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Wouldn't that require you knew where you were going? To insure you ALREADY have the latest information w/ that city? Meaning you're going to have to DL all maps for said city that you're even trying to navigate to right?
In which case your GPS would just be supplemental considering you'd have an idea and already have a map?
If you wanted to use GPS in an unknown area, I don't believe GPS will be able to just randomly DL the area information and give you an idea where you're at, other than Lon/Lat?|
Maybe I'm not understanding how GPS works that well lol. I know it can tell you where you ARE, but you still need some type of data to give you an idea of where you want to go.
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There are many GPS applications that can preload maps of entire countries (IE CoPilot). You can then enter any address like 1234 Fake Street and it can give you turn by turn navigation there. So say I want to get to 1234 Fake street but the bus only takes me to 9513 Real Street, then I can use the GPS to help me get to my destination.
This is a new 2048x1536 clone from Best Buy. It has Rockchip RK3288 processor with a Broadcom BCM4350 WiFi AC/BT4.0/FM radio. It came with Android 5.0.1. As usual from the Chinese, the SW leaves much to be desired. In fact the Regulatory Information page is for the N9. It went the FCC as MID7802 and pictures and user manual are post there. I grabbed one for $150. I was interested since it supports HEVC/H.265. It plays them flawlessly. It scored 785 on AnTuTu video test v3.0. The speed test was 38005. Screen looks good. Now for the bad.
1. Won't turn on when off and charger connected.
2. Adaptive brightness doesn't use the control. Really bright and drains battery.
3. SDcard only accessible for stock apps. ES3 or Kodi can't see it. Probably mounted root only.
4. Camera app is really primitive. No option to record as HEVC even though HW encoding supported.
Any thoughts on this tablet and how easy or hard it would be to get a good ROM on it?
Hmm, the bad looks like stuff that could be fixed with a software update. Though I've yet to see an adaptive brightness option that was any good. I almost always adjust manually. I never really use camera functions on my tablets. The part where it won't turn on while charging is a bit disturbing though.
Battery drains while screen sleeps like crazy
decent tab
I managed to pick the flex elite 7.85" tablet up @ my local Best Buy yesterday for a discounted price of only $90 and so far very happy with it for the cost. Not sure I would be so happy at the full $150...maybe so though.
Battery life isn't the greatest even with a good battery saving app. Doesn't bother me to much though because I usually have my tabs plugged into the wall outlet.
Some things I like are the beautiful display and greatly bright lighting, makes it easy to use outside or in. Also like the quick responsiveness and sensitive touch screen. It's not so sensitive that you're accidentally hitting things you don't want to but plenty sensitive to pick up on the intentional hits. I like the thin style (only 0.3" thin, I think). Although it's plastic it feels solid and higher end in the hands. All in all it's just a decent tab for the average user...although maybe not so much for the enthusiast.
A couple things I don't like are that there are no accessories available for it at all. I'm rough on electronics (drop alot) and a good, solid case is near necessity for me. Still ticked off about dropping my Sero 7 PRO and killing it last year...man, was that ever a nice tab?!
Another thing I am a bit disenchanted with is no root instruction yet available and no ROM that I know of...been searching and hoping. I also read somewhere that it's not possible to write to the micro SD card from the tablet...if true, that really sucks! Though I rarely use a micro SD card with tabs, it's nice to be able to use them to keep onboard space freed up. I still need to buy a micro SD to test this last statement for myself, so can't guarantee the accuracy of the statement.
Anyway, decent tab that will probably fulfill my web browsing, shopping and WordPress needs for the next year so can't complain for a $90 investment. I don't expect any updates to the firmware over it's lifetime and really not to hopeful for a root instructional to be written but still pretty decent out of the box so far....I'll let you know about the possible microsd issue once I find out for myself.
OK, so I found out that the microsd card is difficult to get mounted and working correctly on this tablet (unfortunately I'm no geek). But I was finally able to use an app to xfer files after formatting the SD card to ntsf instead of fat32. Still a pita but got it working.
Now if only someone would make an easy root instructional for this thing I might actually keep it for a while
Alrighty, got one of these and so far it's been good for its price.
I can turn it off and on while charging, both sleep/wake and full power off/power on.
The brightness seems fine to me, but again I've not used adaptive as I've never had a tab with a worthwhile adaptive brightness, and I've had Nexus 7 and 9, Galaxy Tabs pro and S, and a half dozen others.
Getting an SD later today for it.
Battery life isn't great, but I'm not seeing the sleep drain I keep reading about.
As has been mentioned the SD is only visible to system apps. Unless you format it NTFS, then it can be found by other apps. Need to figure out how to make shortcuts/symbolic links so it can be reached from areas other than /mnt as I think some apps expect it to show up in the storage folder and other places.
It's fast and snappy. Display is crisp & nice and bright and is the perfect size. I too am seeing unexpected battery drain overnight (losing 50% of battery) while the tablet is sleeping. I wish the battery lasted longer on standby as my needs are to read to fall asleep and then wake up and study - the Tab A has a longer lasting battery than this. Takes a long time to boot up if it's entirely shut down. It refuses to run Netflix either in the Netflix app nor in the browser. I have all the latest updates of the OS plus Netflix but it's not working. It's a shame but I am today returning it to BestBuy due to the Netflix issue which I consider a core app. WINS: Display is awesome and CPU speed is very good! CONS: Won't play Netflix, battery life is weak, takes long to boot up.
still no sign of 4rd party rooms?
in the market for something to replace my POS dell 8 tablet. can anyone say how insignia is on updates? will this get 6?
Oma has made a rom for it at arctablet.com
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Oma has made a rom for it at arctablet.com
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link?
cannot post links.
google 'insignia flex elite oma root'
should be top result.
Got to page 4, post 49.
micro sdcard should be formatted ntfs
i just bought this tablet used
i think my rom is hosed, it has a system process kill at startup and it is very laggy. it also shuts down is left to sleep for more then 5min. a factory reset doesnt change anything... but ive seen this before... nothing short of a full rom wipe fixes it. that's the real danger of chinese tablets, if you hose the os there is no way to fix it...
im trying to root it and put oma rom on it, to see if that fixes the software issues. i dont think its hardware, because once im in a game or app it runs lightning quick. even games like mortal kombat with their high end graphics run smooth... its really somethin on this screen.
boot time SUCKS on this tablet. like, 4min or something. what the hell insignia? you cant optimize this rom even a little bit?
I like the tablet. I have seen several software updates (didn't check the build numbers) before I flashed Oma's ROM. It still has a long boot time, but if you go to the developer options, and turn off the animation options, it feels pretty fast (definitely faster than anything that is even close to this price range). Oma's current rom doesn't fix the Netflix app issue. Maybe an update can figure out what the conflict is?
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I like the tablet. I have seen several software updates (didn't check the build numbers) before I flashed Oma's ROM. It still has a long boot time, but if you go to the developer options, and turn off the animation options, it feels pretty fast (definitely faster than anything that is even close to this price range). Oma's current rom doesn't fix the Netflix app issue. Maybe an update can figure out what the conflict is?
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I just got one yesterday. I didn't update to the December update, but I flashed oma's rom (pretty sure I did?), rooted with king root and then replaced with super su and the boot up time is much much faster than stock. I want to say less than a minute vs. close to 3 or 4 before.
I bought two of these used off eBay, both seem to suffer from sound stutter/slight freeze ups once in awhile. I've reset both and made sure they are running the current OTA update.
It seems to mostly do it for Youtube and YouTube for Kids, but notice it once in awhile during some more graphic intense games. Which surprises me as from the specs at least this should be a pretty decent budget tablet.
I just picked up a "seller refurbished" on from Ebay -- there are a *ton* of them up there at the moment. It actually looks pretty decent. The battery life is *horrible* (about 4 hours of SOT for reading or web surfing), but the rest of the flaws can be worked around.
First off was setting the window animations to zero, as suggested here earlier, followed by KingRoot and SU substitution (also as suggested). Then, from the Store:
- SDFix:KitKat Writable MicroSD and
- Folder Mount
combined to let me store app data on the microSD.
- FlashFire did a great job of installing Xposed Framework and from there I can tweak to my hearts' content (Greenify, GravityBox, and XSSID Indicator so far)!
Right now, it looks like your best bet would be Oma's rom that someone mentioned earlier, which would be rooted and let you do some customization. I don't use KingRoot because there's some report that the software collects data on you without your consent. What with all the rumors about Xiaomi snooping on you and China's officially-sanctioned practices in cyber space, you don't want to assume unnecessary risks. Bad enough that Uncle Sam is looking over your shoulder, but China?? Do the math!
Back to the matter at hand. Looks like your tab will be stuck with Lollipop forever (1) because the sales of this model is low enough not to stimulate any interest in developing custom roms; (2) manufacturer's support is non-existent (I mean literally non-existent); (3) if you get a representative to answer, the person doesn't know enough to say anything beyond what's in the manual; and (4) they categorically refuse to release even a stock rom for the user to restore where the tab is bricked by their own OTA updates!!! What sets them apart is that I know of no other reputable manufacturer that would so adamantly oppose such potential remedies. Unbelievable! The only recourse is warranty - which means if you're outside that period, you're toast, even if the hardware is in perfectly working order.
To recap, absolutely no support and no update. Promulgating a policy that drives away consumers is of course their prerogative, but why they care so much about losing business is beyond me. So think hard before shelling out for their products. Low prices and enticing specs ain't worth crap if the tablet doesn't work at all.
It's strange that I feel I don't have most of the discussed problems in this forum. But let me tell you my reasons, why I decided to return the Poco F1.
1. Buggy microphone: the hands free mode has huge problems. There seems to be an unfixed problem with the internal microphones which makes it impossible to have understandable conversations in hands free mode (Skype, WhatsApp). This problem also occurs in the internal voice recording app in interview mode. This probably will be fixed in future versions, but as by now (9.6.14.0, European version) it just doesn't work and I need that function almost every day.
2. The MicroSD slot doesn't help much if I can't allocate the card to the internal drive. I have an ultra fast U3 SanDisk extreme card with 128 GB, but I can't merge it with the internal drive. Some would say: who cares? Just use it as an external card, whats the point? But just think of losing your phone and someone else has access to all your data on the memory card. Allocating the MicroSD to the internal drive encrypts everything on the card. I do understand the arguments of the manufacturer (speed issues because of fricking slow crappy sd cards), but I don't understand, why they won't leave that function open to experienced users (e.g. within the developers menu).
3. Can't get rid of Google Apps. I don't need and want certain Google Apps, but I can't disable them. I am not even asking for uninstalling, I just want to disable them, but Xiaomi won't let me. It just feels that I don't have control over the phone.
4. The rounded corners are strange: when watching a video you have one side with rounded corners, the other one with, well, normal corners.
5. The task switcher is a step backwards. I was used to switch between apps very quickly using the vertical task switcher. The task switcher on the Poco F1 works horizontally. Seriously? Phones are becoming longer and longer, not wider. I need much more time to switch between apps because I simply don't have a good overview of the open apps.
6. No HD-Streaming on Netflix and Prime.
7. Bad frequency coverage. Check the specs and compare them to your former phone (I used phonearena). I was shocked when I saw that the Poco F1 has really bad coverage of the available frequencies. I travel to Hong Kong and Japan a couple times a year and use local SIM cards. But looking at the very few supported frequencies, I am afraid I won't have a good reception anymore.
Remark: I have had the Poco F1 for about a week and will return it to the shop. I had a Moto G5 Plus before and will switch back to it again. I am aware of that certain points might not be bugging for some people. I consider myself as an experienced user which some major requirements about functions of a smartphone. If a phone doesn't match most of these requirements, I consider it as crap. This has nothing to do with the manufacturer. Ah, and I don't like custom roms. I went through that stuff so many years and spend so many weekends on that. I am not willing to spend my leisure time anymore trying out new roms because something is always not working well.
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It's strange that I feel I don't have most of the discussed problems in this forum. But let me tell you my reasons, why I decided to return the Poco F1.
1. Buggy microphone: the hands free mode has huge problems. There seems to be an unfixed problem with the internal microphones which makes it impossible to have understandable conversations in hands free mode (Skype, WhatsApp). This problem also occurs in the internal voice recording app in interview mode. This probably will be fixed in future versions, but as by now (9.6.14.0, European version) it just doesn't work and I need that function almost every day.
2. The MicroSD slot doesn't help much if I can't allocate the card to the internal drive. I have an ultra fast U3 SanDisk extreme card with 128 GB, but I can't merge it with the internal drive. Some would say: who cares? Just use it as an external card, whats the point? But just think of losing your phone and someone else has access to all your data on the memory card. Allocating the MicroSD to the internal drive encrypts everything on the card. I do understand the arguments of the manufacturer (speed issues because of fricking slow crappy sd cards), but I don't understand, why they won't leave that function open to experienced users (e.g. within the developers menu).
3. Can't get rid of Google Apps. I don't need and want certain Google Apps, but I can't disable them. I am not even asking for uninstalling, I just want to disable them, but Xiaomi won't let me. It just feels that I don't have control over the phone.
4. The rounded corners are strange: when watching a video you have one side with rounded corners, the other one with, well, normal corners.
5. The task switcher is a step backwards. I was used to switch between apps very quickly using the vertical task switcher. The task switcher on the Poco F1 works horizontally. Seriously? Phones are becoming longer and longer, not wider. I need much more time to switch between apps because I simply don't have a good overview of the open apps.
6. No HD-Streaming on Netflix and Prime.
7. Bad frequency coverage. Check the specs and compare them to your former phone (I used phonearena). I was shocked when I saw that the Poco F1 has really bad coverage of the available frequencies. I travel to Hong Kong and Japan a couple times a year and use local SIM cards. But looking at the very few supported frequencies, I am afraid I won't have a good reception anymore.
Remark: I have had the Poco F1 for about a week and will return it to the shop. I had a Moto G5 Plus before and will switch back to it again. I am aware of that certain points might not be bugging for some people. I consider myself as an experienced user which some major requirements about functions of a smartphone. If a phone doesn't match most of these requirements, I consider it as crap. This has nothing to do with the manufacturer. Ah, and I don't like custom roms. I went through that stuff so many years and spend so many weekends on that. I am not willing to spend my leisure time anymore trying out new roms because something is always not working well.
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Most of the stuff you mentioned are related to MIUI and can be fixed by flashing a stock rom ( custom) which will be available soon. For notch, you've to deal with it as most of the upcoming phones including Moto One includes Notch. Give credit to Apple for this stupid notch. I'm used to it as my main phone is iPhone X so I've been using notch phone from a long time now. Yes, rounded corners on one side sucks.
No hd streaming is still in que to be fixed by Xiaomi. Though I've no idea why people complain about it, I can't really tell difference between the quality what it streams on Amazon Prime and Netflix without HD. May be I'm used to watching videos on iPad so can't tell the difference on small screen.
Coverage is excellent here with this ph. I used to get less than 1mbps with Redmi Note 5 Pro and now I easily get 10-12mbps on 4G.
I don't use microsd card, remind me this is 2018 na? People still use microsd when OEMs offer 128/256gb phs. I've purchased Poco 128GB may be that's why I never thought this ph supports microsd.
No buggy microphone here. May be it's issue with your phone.
Since you're not into custom roms, get One Plus 6 or upcoming 6T. I bet you'll still find reasons to complain about that phone too. That's just human nature. Everybody wants top end hardware by spending less money, nobody realise when you pay less for such hardware you're going to get compromise somewhere be it notch, hd streaming, touch issues, camera etc. No phone is perfect not even the iPhone X.
Good luck with the return.
Ermm which brand phone allowed micro SD to be main drive ?
Aimara said:
Ermm which brand phone allowed micro SD to be main drive ?
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No the main drive, but merged with the main drive. My Moto G5 Plus allows that. It is, as far as I understood, a normal function of Android (since 6.0?) but can be disabled by the manufacturer.
FTPFreezer said:
No the main drive, but merged with the main drive. My Moto G5 Plus allows that. It is, as far as I understood, a normal function of Android (since 6.0?) but can be disabled by the manufacturer.
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I see, this option goes way back then android 6 ,where micro SD card can be the main ,didn't know it's a android feature to merge storage
Sorry but way to much crying about this phone everywhere.
What do u expect for 300 euro in this price range and with those spec u don't find a phone with widevine.
I come from Oneplus and now I know why are people always laughing about the Xiaomi community always complaining.
Maybe it is the price range.. I don't know.
It is not a offensive post to u personally, but everywhere I look there are complains.
Good luck with the return.
Thank you for your feedback. I understand, that people might think that complaining about a 300 USD phone is exaggerated, but on the other side there's also kind of a hype about that phone, so I thought I just let people know what my expectation were and how I feel about the phone.
I intentionally didn't mention the positive things about the phone (and there, fur sure, are good ones). I believe it isn't a bad phone at all. It just doesn't suit my very specific expecations well.
My focus was set on some key features I thought some other people would also want to know about, so this hopefully help them to decide whether to buy the phone or not.
@FTPFreezer, surprised to read a few points in your post - perhaps most surprised when I came to read that you are shifting back to a G5+. I moved from a G5, a bit slower than your phone, granted, but when I came to shift some files from my G5 earlier today after a week with the F1 I was stunned by how sluggish it was. Really, there's no comparison.
Adoptable storage has been a pain in the ass rather than a boon - mine has not failed in the way many G5 users have experienced, but getting data off the card to switch phones is misery. The F1 camera is worlds better. There's no comparison in terms of build quality, the G5 feeling like a toy. Until today I never realised the G5 screen is as poor as it is. Battery life is obviously incomparable.
Miui is not to my taste, but Rootless pixel launcher makes it tolerableme features done nicely. I'll still probably move to a custom ROM, but likely not if it means losing the face unlock.
Face unlock - reminds me how shockingly poor the G5 fingerprint reader is; the Pocophone is bang on every time.
Good luck with the switch back, but I really don't appreciate your reasoning.
Easily disable from playstore head to help and feedback then select delete or disable app and you can disable
FTPFreezer said:
Thank you for your feedback. I understand, that people might think that complaining about a 300 USD phone is exaggerated, but on the other side there's also kind of a hype about that phone, so I thought I just let people know what my expectation were and how I feel about the phone.
I intentionally didn't mention the positive things about the phone (and there, fur sure, are good ones). I believe it isn't a bad phone at all. It just doesn't suit my very specific expecations well.
My focus was set on some key features I thought some other people would also want to know about, so this hopefully help them to decide whether to buy the phone or not.
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Should've just bought a more expensive phone if you have such specific needs. Most people are satisfied with what they got.
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Easily disable from playstore head to help and feedback then select delete or disable app and you can disable
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Have you tried this by yourself or do you just contribute something without knowledge? This is simply not possible on the Poco F1. You can just uninstall all updates, but you are not able to deactivate the app.
Undead_Son said:
Should've just bought a more expensive phone if you have such specific needs. Most people are satisfied with what they got.
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Why do you say this? Which of my points are related to a higher price? The only one I could think of is the frequency coverage, but other thread in this forum suggest, that Xiaomi might just block them by software.
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Have you tried this by yourself or do you just contribute something without knowledge? This is simply not possible on the Poco F1. You can just uninstall all updates, but you are not able to deactivate the app.
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I did it.. just follow step and disable them
teddyanuj said:
I did it.. just follow step and disable them
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Then it could be a region related issue. My region is set to HK (because otherwise face unlock isn't possible in Germany). It definately doesn't work like you said. But anyways, I gonna return the phone today, so it doesn't matter much anymore. I'll just keep the G5 Plus for some while.
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Then it could be a region related issue. My region is set to HK (because otherwise face unlock isn't possible in Germany). It definately doesn't work like you said. But anyways, I gonna return the phone today, so it doesn't matter much anymore. I'll just keep the G5 Plus for some while.
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Whether u take or let it go...it doesnt matter to anyone here . M trying to help u out just this ..
LOL with adb you can uninstall all you want
FTPFreezer said:
Why do you say this? Which of my points are related to a higher price? The only one I could think of is the frequency coverage, but other thread in this forum suggest, that Xiaomi might just block them by software.
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A more expensive phone is more likely to match those major requirements of yours, that's all.
@FTPFreezer thank you for your review. I, for one, enjoyed your critique of the product. It's these kinds of review I like to search for before buying a product.
Only the Google Apps thing worries me, personally. I will still be getting the poco phone.
1. Buggy microphone
can't verify that, mine is good
2. The MicroSD slot doesn't help much if I can't allocate the card to the internal drive
why would you want to do that? if you have to format data even everything on SDcard is gone, UFS is anyway much faster
3. Can't get rid of Google Apps
yes, you can - just use a custom ROM
4. The rounded corners are strange
I have to admit the corners are big but I'm not playing games, so I can live with it
5. The task switcher is a step backwards
not an issues on custom ROM
6. No HD-Streaming on Netflix and Prime
for what? do you really see a difference at a 6.2" panel? regarding bandwith L3 is enough for me
7. Bad frequency coverage
can't verify that, works good here in austria
I can't help but laugh. This is a 300 hundred dollar phone. This is not the S9+ even though the Poco is faster.
I installed the SD before setting my F1. During setup of Miui 10, it asked me if I wanted to use it for app storage or just as portable storage.
If you were rooted, you could get rid of any app you want. Not sure why this is even an issue. All OEM's stop you from removing apps bundled like Google Duo, play movies etc.
There are hacked versions of Netflix out there that let you play ultra HD shows. The problem is on a 6" screen, not sure what the big deal is.
I get no 4g here in the US on T-Mobile but I've had no issues with sound quality whatsoever.
Sounds to me like a nice S9+ is what u want. Heck, it's only 600 dollars more
Let me say it again, this is an amazing phone for 300 bucks. People will always find negative things to say about any phone.
Trying to do WFH, and this device affects your productivity, and is root cause of all problems.
Chinese products should as always never be trusted or relied upon
I am trying to do USB tethering, and for no reason the device would just disconnect, just USB tethering is stopped for no reason.
Upon further usages, learned that this is due to large amount of data being consumed in short interval, so if you put something huge for download, or if your VPN access includes RDP, that also consumes large amount of data due to visuals, your USB tethering will make your cringe.
It's a brand new purchase, i'm using original cable, and I don't have this pathetic problem with my samsung phone and my 4G dongle on the same port. did not even unlock bootloader, or done any rooting.
While writing this post, my tethering was disconnected 3 times.
Next up.
If you dial *#*# 4636#*#*, and select your required bands as NR/LTE, you will never receive or be able to do phone calls, CALLS END PREMATURELY. This happens when using single sim or dual.
How are we even supposed to use 5G, if It cannot even do phone calls.
The phone also has some annoying apps and services that cannot be disabled or force stopped for even a single seconds, that includes game app, facebook service, and some oneplus apps. they keep consuming RAM and CPU in background
Already took 4 months to provide OOS 11, but the recent OOS10 update provided had old security patches.
When I bought the phone, I got some red club benefits, I had few options to choose from, like extended warranty, free 1 time screen replacement, buyback exchange if I want to upgrade to new phone release, and 50gb cloud data.
Now it's all gone, only because I thought waiting and well thought choice would be wise, but who knew there was hidden time limit on offers.
Btw I got red club membership with this however the device now wants me to buy one.
if you are planning to play games, let me tell you, you cannot charge and play the game simultaneously, the phone would heat up, and cause fps drops for no reason.
If you use official call recording it does proper recording, but loudly wants to make the announcement and it's not automatic, I have to use 3rd party apps, but the recording in them has quite low sound.
camera has quite poor low light results.
It's launcher app is quite annoying, when I switched to nova launcher, and set default launcher to nova, the oneplus launcher do keep popping up and wouldn't let me use nova.
The Expanded Screenshot feature has to be used twice for it to work properly and take long screenshots.
The phone's Type C port provides quite low speed with accessories, be it if you use type c pendrive, or USB Cable, or Type C to RJ-45 jack.
As I am tired of waiting for OOS11, I will go with root and linageOS, if I find hardware issues, I'm done with this phone.
I'm starting some cleaning on it. I choosed to keep stock rom but rooted with Magisk, because this kind of process conserve the stock boot.img and add the root module to it so it seems easier to get rid of any modifications in case you need it.
My project is actually to keep OOS, in an unbloated way, because I like the experience. I'm sure you can build some rom with another launcher set default, but if you go lineage, I would be really interested into reading your experience about it.
Feel free to check my thread in signature, actually looking like a memo, I will update it with every improvement I can find or if I finally switch to lineage.
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since you mentioned "red club", i presume you are from india or using the vaiant that was manufactured in india.. if you visit the oneplus nord official forum, you will hear lots of build quality complaints from indian variants..
I can't really support any of these sentences (except the bloatware) about OP Nord. My device comes from Amazon Germany and is a real daily driver, everything works the way intended (although sometimes I'm being notified an error report had been generated, but no app crashes).
I am not playing resource intensive games to be honest, but charging and watching a movie / streaming works fine here, the wifi and BT radio do no sabotage themselves when using them simultaneously (wireless headset and download/streaming on the device), whereas this was normal with my ZTE axon 7 mini back then.
I rooted my phone and kept it as stock as well as @lol1nt3rn3t and deactivated all unwanted system apps. I also schedule a reboot each night around midnight until 6AM, which makes sure the RAM is not occupied by zombie processes or still allocated data by terminated apps