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I am expecting some biased answers here, but I am trying to decide between the Asus Zenwatch 2 and the Moto 360 1st Gen. I am in the market for a new watch, and I have decided to go with a smartwatch. I figure it will be much more useful. I mainly want it to tell time and to show me notifications. So I care less about any added features, heart rate monitors, etc.
Honestly, I do like the appearance of the Asus Zenwatch 2 more than the 360, when the display is off! The ONLY thing I do not like about the Zenwatch 2 is those damn bezels. If they filled the watch face with display, I would not be typing this right now and I would probably already have the watch.
I am just looking for input on the Asus Zenwatch 2 really. How do you all like it? Are the bezels as annoying in person as they are in real life? The main reason I am deciding between these two is because they are both $150 right now. That is all I am really looking to spend as I don't want one bad enough to spend $300-$400. If I did, I would hands down get the Samsung S2 Classic.
I had moto 360 but returned it due to battery life and performance though I heard some recent improvement due to android wear updates. Currently using zen watch 2 I like it overall and it is more future proof for its spec and speaker built in, I think which look you like more could be your decision factor, the only annoying thing is the range of bluetooth is short for zen watch 2 with my s6 edge+, other than that I am satisfied with it
The bezel is not so bad if you use a black watch face and it should save some battery as well
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I had moto 360 but returned it due to battery life and performance though I heard some recent improvement due to android wear updates. Currently using zen watch 2 I like it overall and it is more future proof for its spec and speaker built in, I think which look you like more could be your decision factor, the only annoying thing is the range of bluetooth is short for zen watch 2 with my s6 edge+, other than that I am satisfied with it
The bezel is not so bad if you use a black watch face and it should save some battery as well
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I did read about the built in speaker, which is a nice addition as I am sure it is there for future support. All I want a smart watch for is to look at the time without having to take my beefy Nexus 6 out of my pocket, and for notifications to see who is calling, text messages, etc. I would care less about anything else. Heart sensors, GPS, none of that matters to me.
So I guess you are right. It ultimately comes down to which looks better to me. It is a toss up though... I do like the Zenwatch 2. If it wasn't for that thick bezel, this wouldn't be so hard for me. The Moto 360 is making it hard for me as well, as I do like the one model Motorola has on sale right now. The champagne with cognac leather is so my style. (I hate metal bands)
Do you know anything about the Sony Smartwatches? Amazon has the Sony SmartWatch 3 on sale from $299 to about $160....
ZenWatch2
Doesn't look like an Oreo
Better processor
No flat tire
Longer support (new vs year old)
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ZenWatch2
Doesn't look like an Oreo
Better processor
No flat tire
Longer support (new vs year old)
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I still can't make up my mind which smartwatch to get... The Moto 360 1st Gen is out though due to its dated processor and smaller battery life.
Now I am looking at the Fossil Q Founder. I feel this would be the smartest way for me to go, as it is more future proof than any other smartwatch on the market right now. It has an Intel Atom Processor with 1GB of ram. Sure, it does have the "flat tire" but I feel I can put up with the flat tire more than I can the massive bezels of the Zenwatch 2. I really like the overall design of the Zenwatch 2, so don't think I am here to bash it. When I decided I wanted a smartwatch I originally thought that is what I was going to get. The more I looked at it though the more I realized how much I didn't like the bezels. If they would have filled their watch face with display this thread would not be here right now and I would have one on my wrist. I would have paid $300 for an Asus Zenwatch 2 IF the face was pure AMOLED display. No BS! (1GB of ram would of been nice too)
What do you mean by " IF the face was pure AMOLED display"?
Not sure why you'd need 1GB of RAM on a watch.
The drawback of the ZW2 is that even though it has the same specs as nearly all the other watches, something about the software causes lag and underperforms the others in bench tests (there's a bench test thread in the Wear forum). Hopefully some custom ROMs and/or updates can fix that.
As far as the bezel, to each his own. It's understandable (dat bezel doe). Personally I just don't care, and the $130 price with LED display is pretty sweet.
Also...IIRC the Atom processor has historically had high power consumption compared to other mobile processors. Just something to consider.
I'm using the ZW2, after using it for a few days I think it's an amazing watch. First of all, the price is unbeatable. The screen is nice, and if compared to the moto 360, it has a speaker, so it's futureproof. Plus, the battery life is amazing, lasting 2-3 days isn't any issue. Regarding the bezel, I made a digital clock watch face, the numbers appear in white color. So when the watch is in standby, the black screen blends in with the bezel and it looks just great with the white digital clock. Simple and nice. Personally, regarding Android Wear itself, I think there is much room to improve it's functionality, like real notifications (not only links to open app on the phone). Plus, the app list isn't very user friendly.
Yea having owned the LG G Watch, ZW2, and now Hauwei Watch, the Motorola 1st gen is meh. My coworker has it and it is huge. The flat tire kinda would drive me crazy. And the battery on his lasts like half a day (wifi disabled, screen on, 5s standby, 50% screen brightness).
The ZW2 and the Hauwei are the only 2 with a speaker to support the future versions of Android Wear. I'm sure everyone will still get the update but speaker support was the reason why I upgraded.
The original Moto 360 used a TI OMAP processor. The Motorola 360 2 uses the Snapdragon 400, the same as the ZW2 and Hauwei.
I would pick the ZW2 over the first 360 Watch. The ZW2 is a second gen watch. The curved display feels great to "palm" (to turn off the display). It has WiFi and a speaker. It DOES NOT have a heart rate monitor, which are completely stupid in a watch anyway (IMO).
The 360 has a 300mAh battery, the 360 2 has a 400. The ZW2 has a 400. The Hauwei has a 300. Both the ZW2 and Hauwei (and LG G Watch) all had over 50% battery left at the end of the day.
The Motorola watches (1 and 2) both have LCD displays where the ZW2 and Hauwei have OLED. Black is true black. This may not seem that big of a deal, but when you have a "flashlight" on your wrist at night, even in standby mode, it is glaring. The OLED (similar to AMOLED), black is off. So if you have a black theme watch face, most of the pixels will be off = battery savings. Plus Standby mode only displays specific items, not the whole face. This looks much better on an OLED screen.
I can't recommend the Moto unless you simply looking for the cheapest round display watch.
The ZW2 is about $129 (cheaper on newegg). The Hauwei I bought locally for $299 + 10% off at Best Buy @ $269
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I still can't make up my mind which smartwatch to get... The Moto 360 1st Gen is out though due to its dated processor and smaller battery life.
Now I am looking at the Fossil Q Founder. I feel this would be the smartest way for me to go, as it is more future proof than any other smartwatch on the market right now. It has an Intel Atom Processor with 1GB of ram. Sure, it does have the "flat tire" but I feel I can put up with the flat tire more than I can the massive bezels of the Zenwatch 2. I really like the overall design of the Zenwatch 2, so don't think I am here to bash it. When I decided I wanted a smartwatch I originally thought that is what I was going to get. The more I looked at it though the more I realized how much I didn't like the bezels. If they would have filled their watch face with display this thread would not be here right now and I would have one on my wrist. I would have paid $300 for an Asus Zenwatch 2 IF the face was pure AMOLED display. No BS! (1GB of ram would of been nice too)
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The review of fossil founder seems not so good http://www.cnet.com/products/fossil-q-founder/
Figured I would update the thread.
So, I ended up ordering the Fossil Q Founder. I didn't like it. I didn't like the way it fit / felt on my wrist. It was really bulky. The flat tire was worse in person than I thought it was going to be. Also, the report I read that it had an internal speaker was false. It does not have the speaker. So I sent it back. This is what I get for not going with my first instinct. I originally wanted the Zenwatch 2 when I decided to get a new watch / smart watch.
So, I ordered the Zenwatch 2! I ordered the Gun Metal version. (Stainless Steel band) I think it looks very sharp and sleek. I paid $200 shipped, $100 under the Fossil Q Founder! I can't wait to get it and try it out.
Yea but looking at specs it seems comparable to a Moto 360 kinda. Flat Tire LCD screen. Atom processor. 400mAh battery. $299. The only thing I can see is that for the price you would be better off with a Hauwei Watch (what I currently own).
I really can't complain about the ZenWatch 2. It is the thinnest of all the watches, curved screen so it kinda hugs your wrist. $129. Speaker support. Waterproof. Amoled Screen. The charger was great. I can't really recommend any other watch unless you are die hard wanting a round screen, then the Hauwei Watch is the winner there. The Snapdragon chipsets really sip battery.
Thank you guys fir your support
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The active running screen can't be consider good. there's no current lap pace. you'll be blind
Reported to its price it is good, three main characteristics make it a good product:
- 5 days on single charge
- always on screen
- good price
- as an alternative you can buy garmin vivomove hr, it's a little bit more expensive and don't have so much activities as stratos, but the application on smartphone is better.
No big cons
I had Amazfit Pace for 1.5 years, then I replaced it with Amazfit Stratos, and although it was pricier, I wouldn't go back to the Pace.
There was 2-3 minor hiccups during the 3+ months, but nothing dealbreaker.
Stratos has 3 buttons, so it's more convenient to start/stop your activity this way, but the one button of the Pace was just sufficient for me.
If you have more money, buy the Stratos (around $150 on GearBest), if you have less, buy the Pace (if you're lucky, you can get it for around $90 on GB).
So what are the cons? If you don't like 'flat tyre' displays, you won't like Amazfit's display - both has this 'effect'.
If you want crystal clear, bright and colorful display, buy an Apple Watch or a Samsung Gear 2/3... with AMOLED display - the Amazfit has transflective display, so it's quite dim and pale indoors, but more than perfect outdoors without consuming more energy than indoors (it's the opposite).
The Stratos is bigger and bulkier than the Pace, but only by a little. Most Garmin and Suunto watches are bigger, bulkier, heavier and a lot pricier than even the Stratos without providing better battery life. I know, the high-end Garmins provide more precise GPS data, but only for 10 to 15 hours, while you can constantly use your GPS on the Pace or on the Stratos for 30+ hours on a full charge.
The Pace has IP67, the Stratos has IP68 rating. Believe me, you will like any of them.
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I read in other post that the build quality is questionable, the connectors gets rusty because of sweat!!?? So what are your thoughts? Thanks
The problem appears on Pace, but only if you swim or shower with it. No such a problem for Stratos.
I have a pace and don't find any reason besides the Waterproof to upgrate to the pricier stratos. I run and trail bike, why won't you go back to pace?
I have a pace, everything is ok in it.
I had a problem with water a month ago, that I think it was my mistake. I used it under water.
by removing mic the problem is solved and I have 6 day battery now.
and if you want to by pace because it is cheaper, or take it away from water, or seal up its mic hole with glue, and yu be safe and ok with a very nice watch.
Guys, does it make sense to upgrade from PACE to Stratos or wait for Verge?
I'm so close to buying Suunto 9 or Garmin Fenix 5 Plus, but I have a feeling that Stratos or Verge will be just as good for simple sports and mainly smartphone notifications.
What's your view on this?
kufor said:
Guys, does it make sense to upgrade from PACE to Stratos or wait for Verge?
I'm so close to buying Suunto 9 or Garmin Fenix 5 Plus, but I have a feeling that Stratos or Verge will be just as good for simple sports and mainly smartphone notifications.
What's your view on this?
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Pace, Stratos are very good smartwatches, altmost as good as garmin, the only problem is that you cannot respond to messages for official rom (it is possible if you install a custom rom or watch droid). Why to buy a garmin, much more expensive if you have Pace or Stratos?
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Pace, Stratos are very good smartwatches, altmost as good as garmin, the only problem is that you cannot respond to messages for official rom (it is possible if you install a custom rom or watch droid). Why to buy a garmin, much more expensive if you have Pace or Stratos?
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For running it's not as good as Garmin because you can have information about a lap (lap time / lap distance / lap pace) for example. It's a basic feature for runner.
The only thing you can have is related to previous lap...
kufor said:
Guys, does it make sense to upgrade from PACE to Stratos or wait for Verge?
I'm so close to buying Suunto 9 or Garmin Fenix 5 Plus, but I have a feeling that Stratos or Verge will be just as good for simple sports and mainly smartphone notifications.
What's your view on this?
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I don't consider upgrading from Pace to Verge because of the amoled screen. When I'm running or biking I need to take a fast look at the screen and would be dificult to press a button to show info. Also amoled screens ins't the best for reading on sunlight.
To me the Verge is more an urban user smartwatch with sports features.
I think I will wait for more one year for a pace/stratos real update with LCD and the new heart rate sensor.
I recently switched to Stratos and it's huge in comparison to Pace. Thicker and bigger in diameter but with the same screen size and the same hw specs. Buttons are also big, probably intentionally, to easily press during workout, in gloves, etc. For some workouts, like weight lifting, with smaller wrist, buttons may be a problem.
Overall watch looks more premium but charger is opposite, looks way cheaper than one for Pace. Pace charger is not compatible with Stratos. Also, cable cannot be removed. Plus is that watch is waterproof.
Stratos GUI is a bit different, features are the same plus two about workout efficiency and VO2.
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Zeljko1234 said:
I recently switched to Stratos and it's huge in comparison to Pace. Thicker and bigger in diameter but with the same screen size and the same hw specs. Buttons are also big, probably intentionally, to easily press during workout, in gloves, etc. For some workouts, like weight lifting, with smaller wrist, buttons may be a problem.
Overall watch looks more premium but charger is opposite, looks way cheaper than one for Pace. Pace charger is not compatible with Stratos. Also, cable cannot be removed. Plus is that watch is waterproof.
Stratos GUI is a bit different, features are the same plus two about workout efficiency and VO2.
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I bought a few cheap Stratos charging docks from GearBest a few months ago, these have a micro USB port instead of the damned built-in cable, so I can use it with and micro USB cable I just want.
I liked the Pace, I love the Stratos, and I only had two minor hiccups needing a restart, other than that everything's smooth and fine.
BTW, before the Pace I had a Polar M400, which was fine, but after a while I hated to connect my watch to my PC each time to upload the data to the cloud, and I hated the 5-6 hours GPS time - the Amazfit Pace was a miracle compared to that, and although the Stratos is mostly a Pace on steroids, I like it even more.
So a Garmin or Suunto watch has more functionality, but since I walk a lot instead of doing multiple sports, the 3 to 4 times higher price wouldn't worth the added extra I wouldn't even use.
Yeah, I've ordered charger with micro USB. It's mainly to have spare one. Let's how will work.
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Forgot to add, Stratos has half of the faces available for Pace. And none of them are really good. Also, because watch is bigger and heavier, mid vibration is hardly noticeable. Especially as waking up alarm. So I had to set to high which drains battery more. With my usage, Stratos batter lasts about 4 days. At least one day less than Pace.
Hi there,
i've the pace watch but sometimes have bad readings on running mode. It cuts 1K in 5K wich it's to much. Already tried everything but the dam problem persists.
I might updtate for the stratos or verge but whould like your oppinons wich one it's better for sports. When i mean better i want to say the best sensors for sports.
If it was you to want keep the best tracking on your running progresse wich one whould you choose?
Regards
stratos
I would say stratos because to be capable of actually seeing the screen at sunlight its the biggest pro, but i see always a lot of people with problems about it: functions buttons or the back hr glass falling.
Pace would be perfect if water resistant and vo2 calculation.
iscao said:
Hi there,
i've the pace watch but sometimes have bad readings on running mode. It cuts 1K in 5K wich it's to much. Already tried everything but the dam problem persists.
I might updtate for the stratos or verge but whould like your oppinons wich one it's better for sports. When i mean better i want to say the best sensors for sports.
If it was you to want keep the best tracking on your running progresse wich one whould you choose?
Regards
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Well i bought Verge. I read about Stratos (included + version), but Verge i liked much more. First at all Stratos have bigger price. Difference is almost 100 euro, but differences in specifications almost there is no. So why to spend almost 100 euro more for: possibility to swim with watch, oxygen tracking and if for you is important, Stratos is premium class watch. Yes, i agree Stratos looks great, but that cost for you much more. Stratos have better water protection and one of sport mode is swimming. Coz i don't like to swim, i don't care this protection so much, even when Verge have not bad water protection too (IP68). And as i mentioned Stratos have VO2max, that's mean that you can track maximum rate of oxygen consumption measured during incremental exercise. Why price is bigger i don't know. But that was one of reason why i bought Verge. Second reason was microphone/soundspeaker. I had before smart band with possibility to call/answer a call over band, so that was important to me. Sometime is useful - believe me. Of course to talk in public maybe is not smarter idea, but when yours hands is busy (for example you playing games, working at home and ect) it's really good helper. Also Verge is newest, that was reason too why i choice Verge. Why so important? Most newest devices have better, great features. Verge is not exception. I don't know very well have Stratos voice assistant or not, coz i saw in specifications only about it, but in it wasn't posted possibility to talk over it, so i guest Stratos havn't voice assistant. Voice asistant had my previous wearable device, it's cool thing sometime to joke, make funnies things and ect. I did not used a lot, but i wanted to have it again. As i mentioned sometime when yours hands is busy to talk with yours watch (for example weather information, to call somebody and ect.) is great idea, of course only not in public
Stratos as i mentioned saw in paper only, in shop i saw how it look, but that's all, i went then to buy Verge, so more about Stratos in reality i did not checked. In paper is written what Verge have better: display (OLED), when Stratos have only LCD. So in sunlight to see display will be better in OLED display as in LCD. Verge have voice assitant, as i mentioned, but at this moment this feature is availbale only in US and China markets. But i hope soon will be availabel in Europe too included all rest world. Verge have NFC for payment, but as i know it working only in China right now (payments in shops, public transport and ect.), but as i know Huami/Amazfit working on this right now and must be available in others market too soon, probably again maybe first will be in US, later i hope in all rest wold. Stratos as i know that not have. Resolution of Verge is better too, Stratos have only 320x300 px and a little bit bigger screen, when Verge have 360x360. Stratos have 1.34, Verge 1.3 screen. Water protection of Stratos is 5 ATM, Verge as i mentioned have IP68. What a differences? With 5 ATM you can swim to 50 meters water depth, when with Verge you can be sure protection from rain and something like this. But usually IP68 means 30 meters water depth too, so if you drop watch to similar water pool and quickly throw it, i think will not big problem. One guy russian in youtube i saw swam with Verge too, just he siad is important to do not push HOME key over water. Watch after swim worked in video fine. By the way it's not recommend by Amazfit/Huami with Verge. So all responsibility is yours if you ever will buy Verge and will be test like this guy. What else? Battery, processors, memory and ect.? If say honest these both models is good, Verge and Stratos by specifications is very similar, most differences i posted, you can check more in https://us.amazfit.com/shop/stratos?variant=373265 and here https://us.amazfit.com/shop/verge?variant=451600. All others is almost the same. By the way, coz i have Verge, i can say more. One minus is that Verge is plastic, but is not cheap plastic. But i have to say that band is very bracelet lubricate. I have this watch from 2019 February and already is some spots which impossible to clean. But keep in mind band is changeable, so it's not very big problem. You can buy new band and change it in any moment. You asked about sports? Well Verge have 12 sport modes (Stratos is written 12+, maybe it's mean more), but most modes is the same from: running to soccer or tennis, so i recommend to buy Verge if price for you is important, you like to talk over watch, voice assistant and ect. By the way with both models you can sport and listen music without phone, so as i mentioned both models is good, but Verge have much more features, price is lower and looks greta too. Like real sport watch Both models have Reddot and IF awards if this important too for you
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Well i bought Verge. I read about Stratos (included + version), but Verge i liked much more. First at all Stratos have bigger price. Difference is almost 100 euro, but differences in specifications almost there is no. So why to spend almost 100 euro more for: possibility to swim with watch, oxygen tracking and if for you is important, Stratos is premium class watch. Yes, i agree Stratos looks great, but that cost for you much more. Stratos have better water protection and one of sport mode is swimming. Coz i don't like to swim, i don't care this protection so much, even when Verge have not bad water protection too (IP68). And as i mentioned Stratos have VO2max, that's mean that you can track maximum rate of oxygen consumption measured during incremental exercise. Why price is bigger i don't know. But that was one of reason why i bought Verge. Second reason was microphone/soundspeaker. I had before smart band with possibility to call/answer a call over band, so that was important to me. Sometime is useful - believe me. Of course to talk in public maybe is not smarter idea, but when yours hands is busy (for example you playing games, working at home and ect) it's really good helper. Also Verge is newest, that was reason too why i choice Verge. Why so important? Most newest devices have better, great features. Verge is not exception. I don't know very well have Stratos voice assistant or not, coz i saw in specifications only about it, but in it wasn't posted possibility to talk over it, so i guest Stratos havn't voice assistant. Voice asistant had my previous wearable device, it's cool thing sometime to joke, make funnies things and ect. I did not used a lot, but i wanted to have it again. As i mentioned sometime when yours hands is busy to talk with yours watch (for example weather information, to call somebody and ect.) is great idea, of course only not in public
Stratos as i mentioned saw in paper only, in shop i saw how it look, but that's all, i went then to buy Verge, so more about Stratos in reality i did not checked. In paper is written what Verge have better: display (OLED), when Stratos have only LCD. So in sunlight to see display will be better in OLED display as in LCD. Verge have voice assitant, as i mentioned, but at this moment this feature is availbale only in US and China markets. But i hope soon will be availabel in Europe too included all rest world. Verge have NFC for payment, but as i know it working only in China right now (payments in shops, public transport and ect.), but as i know Huami/Amazfit working on this right now and must be available in others market too soon, probably again maybe first will be in US, later i hope in all rest wold. Stratos as i know that not have. Resolution of Verge is better too, Stratos have only 320x300 px and a little bit bigger screen, when Verge have 360x360. Stratos have 1.34, Verge 1.3 screen. Water protection of Stratos is 5 ATM, Verge as i mentioned have IP68. What a differences? With 5 ATM you can swim to 50 meters water depth, when with Verge you can be sure protection from rain and something like this. But usually IP68 means 30 meters water depth too, so if you drop watch to similar water pool and quickly throw it, i think will not big problem. One guy russian in youtube i saw swam with Verge too, just he siad is important to do not push HOME key over water. Watch after swim worked in video fine. By the way it's not recommend by Amazfit/Huami with Verge. So all responsibility is yours if you ever will buy Verge and will be test like this guy. What else? Battery, processors, memory and ect.? If say honest these both models is good, Verge and Stratos by specifications is very similar, most differences i posted, you can check more in https://us.amazfit.com/shop/stratos?variant=373265 and here https://us.amazfit.com/shop/verge?variant=451600. All others is almost the same. By the way, coz i have Verge, i can say more. One minus is that Verge is plastic, but is not cheap plastic. But i have to say that band is very bracelet lubricate. I have this watch from 2019 February and already is some spots which impossible to clean. But keep in mind band is changeable, so it's not very big problem. You can buy new band and change it in any moment. You asked about sports? Well Verge have 12 sport modes (Stratos is written 12+, maybe it's mean more), but most modes is the same from: running to soccer or tennis, so i recommend to buy Verge if price for you is important, you like to talk over watch, voice assistant and ect. By the way with both models you can sport and listen music without phone, so as i mentioned both models is good, but Verge have much more features, price is lower and looks greta too. Like real sport watch Both models have Reddot and IF awards if this important too for you
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I just want to correct you if i got it right. Stratos has LCD but it is transreflective so it is better for direct sunlight than the Amoled display of the Verge. The more the light the more visible display you get with transreflective LCD.
Other than that great post with a lot of info
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I just want to correct you if i got it right. Stratos has LCD but it is transreflective so it is better for direct sunlight than the Amoled display of the Verge. The more the light the more visible display you get with transreflective LCD.
Other than that great post with a lot of info
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Well how i can see review about Samsung's smartphones with Super AMOLED, most siad there is no problem to see in sunlight smartphone screen, but probably i forgot that Super AMOLED and AMOLED is two different display. Samsung's Super AMOLED technology addresses this issue by reducing the size of gaps between layers of the screen. So sorry for my mistake, a little bit i forgot that Verge got just AMOLED, there is no word "super" here. So yes you are right, AMOLED displays may be difficult to view in direct sunlight compared with LCDs because of their reduced maximum brightness, but AMOLED anyways is better display as LCD, much more brightness, colours are very beautiful and ect. There is no just middle in life, all good things have minus, like minus have plus too. There is no in life PERFECT things, yet As i mentioned Verge is better watch in most things, display still is one of best thing in this watch. Sunlight? Well i will say honest, when i using watch face with mechanic/analog clock is a little bit hard to see time rarly, but when i using digital clock watch face, there is no any problem at all. And if will be honest to the end it was just one time from February. Most time i don't have this problem at all. So yes i still recommend to buy Verge, this watch is just amazing for low price. Stratos? It's almost the same watch with bigger price, just mentioned some things is different, but Verge have much more features and ect
For me, as i said before, be able to look at the watch at sunlight and see it without any problem is a key feature, transrreflective creen, maybe uglier but more usefull for a sport watch
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For me, as i said before, be able to look at the watch at sunlight and see it without any problem is a key feature, transrreflective creen, maybe uglier but more usefull for a sport watch
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Spend almost 100 euros just for that i don't think it's smart idea As i mentioned Verge is better and this is not my one opinion By the way Verge is not bad choice for sunlight too, i everything wrote, but again 100 more just for better see in sunlight, when Verge have much more and better display??? Really?
LCD better for sport? Can you proof that by some test and ect? Or this is just yours opinion? Coz i did not found any test about better display for sport, can you post link? Not opinion?
You distort the facts and present them as a serious argument, proven scientifically. It's just your opinion, as I have it. But I also write that it is my opinion, be good not to distort the facts, because it is misleading to the person who is obviously unclear what model to buy, you have to choose bags with distortions.
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Spend almost 100 euros just for that i don't think it's smart idea As i mentioned Verge is better and this is not my one opinion By the way Verge is not bad choice for sunlight too, i everything wrote, but again 100 more just for better see in sunlight, when Verge have much more and better display??? Really?
LCD better for sport? Can you proof that by some test and ect? Or this is just yours opinion? Coz i did not found any test about better display for sport, can you post link? Not opinion?
You distort the facts and present them as a serious argument, proven scientifically. It's just your opinion, as I have it. But I also write that it is my opinion, be good not to distort the facts, because it is misleading to the person who is obviously unclear what model to buy, you have to choose bags with distortions.
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As i and the others point out and is a key to that is the "transflective" LCD check out the internet how it functions. It is type of lcd display that uses reflected ambient light to let you see the image on the display, same as the older digital monochrome display of the watches but with added colors. The stronger the light the better the visibility of the display. That is the reason most of the users consider it better for sport activity as most are done outside. And yes it can be better than amoled or super amoled. Top brands making fitness oriented smart watches as Garmin and Suunto even on the high end price tags use this type of screens. Also this is more energy efficient type of display and letting the manufacturer to make more long lasting battery life or enable the watch to use the energy for other features and keep the battery life to the 3-5 day mark.
Edit: By better than Amoled i mean readability, not colors and contrast. The readability is very important for someone that want to track his activity in the process.
xdauser2019 said:
Spend almost 100 euros just for that i don't think it's smart idea As i mentioned Verge is better and this is not my one opinion By the way Verge is not bad choice for sunlight too, i everything wrote, but again 100 more just for better see in sunlight, when Verge have much more and better display??? Really?
LCD better for sport? Can you proof that by some test and ect? Or this is just yours opinion? Coz i did not found any test about better display for sport, can you post link? Not opinion?
You distort the facts and present them as a serious argument, proven scientifically. It's just your opinion, as I have it. But I also write that it is my opinion, be good not to distort the facts, because it is misleading to the person who is obviously unclear what model to buy, you have to choose bags with distortions.
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Well, i´m not gonna argue here, we dont have that need.
That the transreflective screen is better for outdoor sports its not my opinion, you really have to see it, its just a fact that is more readable than any other kind of scrren at sunlight, i had other lcd smartwatches its not a fanboy opinion. And for me this is the key for a sportwatch.
Also, i have a pace, i think it is better on a price/features relation considering i dont swim with it. So no, i dont spend 100 euros more for anything (stratos).
Like +/- 100 € for a pace smartwatch with gps, good screen at sunlight, good materials, wifi and bluetooth, musicplayer, etc its the best deal i think, unless you swim with it. But this is my opinion yes.
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As i and the others point out and is a key to that is the "transflective" LCD check out the internet how it functions. It is type of lcd display that uses reflected ambient light to let you see the image on the display, same as the older digital monochrome display of the watches but with added colors. The stronger the light the better the visibility of the display. That is the reason most of the users consider it better for sport activity as most are done outside. And yes it can be better than amoled or super amoled. Top brands making fitness oriented smart watches as Garmin and Suunto even on the high end price tags use this type of screens. Also this is more energy efficient type of display and letting the manufacturer to make more long lasting battery life or enable the watch to use the energy for other features and keep the battery life to the 3-5 day mark.
Edit: By better than Amoled i mean readability, not colors and contrast. The readability is very important for someone that want to track his activity in the process.
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Suunto 5 White - https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/suunto-5/suunto-5-white/ LED Display
Suunto 9 Baro - https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/suunto-9-baro/suunto-9-baro-titanium/ LED Display
Suunto 9 White - https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/suunto-9/suunto-9-white/ LED Display
Suunto 3 Fitness - https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/suunto-3-fitness/suunto-3-fitness-copper/ LED Display
Suunto 9 Bravo Titanum - https://www.suunto.com/Products/spo...aro-titanium-red-bull-x-alps-limited-edition/ LED Display
Suunto Spartan Sport - https://www.suunto.com/Products/spo...aro/suunto-spartan-sport-wrist-hr-baro-amber/ LED Display
Suunto Spartan Trainer - https://www.suunto.com/Products/spo...ist-hr/suunto-spartan-trainer-wrist-hr-steel/ LED Display
Suunto Spartan Sport - https://www.suunto.com/Products/spo...t-hr/Suunto-Spartan-Sport-Wrist-HR-All-Black/ LED Display
... and others models.
What's the different? Answer https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/led-vs-lcd-tvs/
How about others?
Huawei - https://consumer.huawei.com/en/wearables/ 5 AMOLED, others OLED or PMOLED
Apple - https://www.apple.com/lae/watch/compare/ OLED Retina
Samsung Galaxy Watch 4G - https://www.samsung.com/uk/wearables/galaxy-watch/ Super AMOLED
Samsung Gear Sport - https://www.samsung.com/uk/wearables/gear-sport-r600/SM-R600NZBABTU/ Super AMOLED
Samsung Fit2 PRO - https://www.samsung.com/uk/wearables/gear-fit2-pro-r365/SM-R365NZKABTU/ Curved Super AMOLED
Sony Watch 3 - https://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/smart-products/smartwatch-3-swr50/specifications/#tabs (there is no newest model, just this old) LCD
Garmin Forerunner 945 - https://buy.garmin.com/en-IE/GB/p/621922#specs Transflective MIP Display
Garmin Marq Collection - https://buy.garmin.com/en-IE/GB/p/608665#specs Transflective MIP Display
Garmin D2 Delta S - https://buy.garmin.com/en-IE/GB/p/633685#specs Transflective MIP Display
... and ect.
As you can see most biggest "players" using AMOLED display, some of them Transflective (but not simple LCD) display and ect. So which display is better Stratos or Verge?
About battery, Stratos and Verge can be without charge with general settings 5 days
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Csmrcc said:
Well, i´m not gonna argue here, we dont have that need.
That the transreflective screen is better for outdoor sports its not my opinion, you really have to see it, its just a fact that is more readable than any other kind of scrren at sunlight, i had other lcd smartwatches its not a fanboy opinion. And for me this is the key for a sportwatch.
Also, i have a pace, i think it is better on a price/features relation considering i dont swim with it. So no, i dont spend 100 euros more for anything (stratos).
Like +/- 100 € for a pace smartwatch with gps, good screen at sunlight, good materials, wifi and bluetooth, musicplayer, etc its the best deal i think, unless you swim with it. But this is my opinion yes.
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I stopped read your post after text:"...than any other kind of scrren at sunlight..." - i agree that maybe AMOLED is not the best display, but as you can see most expensive smart watches have only this display, some of them have own, super display, yes i mean Garmin. I disagree with yours argument that this display is better for sport, proof it. How did you teste and ect. This is yours opinion, coz display don't effect in yours sport result at all. Yes i agree someone loves LCD, someone LED, which almost the same, but have dome differences, someone AMOLED, but there is no any test which proof it effect to sport of display quality. You writing stupid things, sorry. You trying to say that display is better to see screen in sunlight, but writing about things like effect to sport. How can display effect my sport result???
As i wrote Verge is better smartwatch as Startos with better displkay. You compare old LCD with updated LED or Transflective MIP Display, which is different as LCD. It's the same that to say that Super AMOLED is the same as AMOLED
FINALLY detailed compare:
https://www.dansgadgets.com/amazfit-verge-vs-amazfit-stratos-ultimate-comparison/#specs As you can see both models have plus and minus (looks like Verge is premium class too, i was wrong if this information is correct, coz somewhere i read that verge is not flagship, oh well...)
P.S. Keep in mind compare is not 100% correct, coz both models can be without charger the same time with general settings. Verge have "always on display" mode.
xdauser2019 said:
Suunto 5 White - https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/suunto-5/suunto-5-white/ LED Display
Suunto 9 Baro - https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/suunto-9-baro/suunto-9-baro-titanium/ LED Display
Suunto 9 White - https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/suunto-9/suunto-9-white/ LED Display
Suunto 3 Fitness - https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/suunto-3-fitness/suunto-3-fitness-copper/ LED Display
Suunto 9 Bravo Titanum - https://www.suunto.com/Products/spo...aro-titanium-red-bull-x-alps-limited-edition/ LED Display
Suunto Spartan Sport - https://www.suunto.com/Products/spo...aro/suunto-spartan-sport-wrist-hr-baro-amber/ LED Display
Suunto Spartan Trainer - https://www.suunto.com/Products/spo...ist-hr/suunto-spartan-trainer-wrist-hr-steel/ LED Display
Suunto Spartan Sport - https://www.suunto.com/Products/spo...t-hr/Suunto-Spartan-Sport-Wrist-HR-All-Black/ LED Display
... and others models.
What's the different? Answer https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/led-vs-lcd-tvs/
How about others?
Huawei - https://consumer.huawei.com/en/wearables/ 5 AMOLED, others OLED or PMOLED
Apple - https://www.apple.com/lae/watch/compare/ OLED Retina
Samsung Galaxy Watch 4G - https://www.samsung.com/uk/wearables/galaxy-watch/ Super AMOLED
Samsung Gear Sport - https://www.samsung.com/uk/wearables/gear-sport-r600/SM-R600NZBABTU/ Super AMOLED
Samsung Fit2 PRO - https://www.samsung.com/uk/wearables/gear-fit2-pro-r365/SM-R365NZKABTU/ Curved Super AMOLED
Sony Watch 3 - https://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/smart-products/smartwatch-3-swr50/specifications/#tabs (there is no newest model, just this old) LCD
Garmin Forerunner 945 - https://buy.garmin.com/en-IE/GB/p/621922#specs Transflective MIP Display
Garmin Marq Collection - https://buy.garmin.com/en-IE/GB/p/608665#specs Transflective MIP Display
Garmin D2 Delta S - https://buy.garmin.com/en-IE/GB/p/633685#specs Transflective MIP Display
... and ect.
As you can see most biggest "players" using AMOLED display, some of them Transflective (but not simple LCD) display and ect. So which display is better Stratos or Verge?
About battery, Stratos and Verge can be without charge with general settings 5 days
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I stopped read your post after text:"...than any other kind of scrren at sunlight..." - i agree that maybe AMOLED is not the best display, but as you can see most expensive smart watches have only this display, some of them have own, super display, yes i mean Garmin. I disagree with yours argument that this display is better for sport, proof it. How did you teste and ect. This is yours opinion, coz display don't effect in yours sport result at all. Yes i agree someone loves LCD, someone LED, which almost the same, but have dome differences, someone AMOLED, but there is no any test which proof it effect to sport of display quality. You writing stupid things, sorry. You trying to say that display is better to see screen in sunlight, but writing about things like effect to sport. How can display effect my sport result???
As i wrote Verge is better smartwatch as Startos with better displkay. You compare old LCD with updated LED or Transflective MIP Display, which is different as LCD. It's the same that to say that Super AMOLED is the same as AMOLED
FINALLY detailed compare:
https://www.dansgadgets.com/amazfit-verge-vs-amazfit-stratos-ultimate-comparison/#specs As you can see both models have plus and minus (looks like Verge is premium class too, i was wrong if this information is correct, coz somewhere i read that verge is not flagship, oh well...)
P.S. Keep in mind compare is not 100% correct, coz both models can be without charger the same time with general settings. Verge have "always on display" mode.
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All the suuntos you pointed out use transflective lcd displays with LED backlight as the Stratos. This doesn't make the display LED.
And no one said the that it effect the results. I said that it effects the visibility of the results on the go when using it outside.
I own Verge and i know the benefits of the amoled display. The opinion about the transflective displays been better for outdoor activity is not only mine it is the opinion on the majority of people using these devices for sport.
But this is causa perduta. I am not gonna continue this.
I've had Stratos (The HR pane has been removed) and now I have Verge - during the day and during training Stratos is much better, especially the display in the sun. Verge is a plastic toy with an amoled display just for fun. Stratos is unfortunately much more flawed. In my opinion of course
I'am a woman and I have a slim hand, but Stratos was better suited to my hand. Stratos has broken down and that's why I exchanged for Verge, but I'm not happy with this exchange.
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I'am a woman and I have a slim hand, but Stratos was better suited to my hand. Stratos has broken down and that's why I exchanged for Verge, but I'm not happy with this exchange.
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Band/bracelet is possible to change as i know in all or most Amazfit watches. You could buy Stratos again, why you bought Verge? Ok, i guest for you was interesting what is a model is Verge. You did not liked it, but you can sell it on eBay and ect. now, and to buy Stratos, why don't you doing like this?
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Band/bracelet is possible to change as i know in all or most Amazfit watches. You could buy Stratos again, why you bought Verge? Ok, i guest for you was interesting what is a model is Verge. You did not liked it, but you can sell it on eBay and ect. now, and to buy Stratos, why don't you doing like this?
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Because I'am waiting for a new stratos release or I will buy a garmin - I do not know what I will do yet....
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Because I'am waiting for a new stratos release or I will buy a garmin - I do not know what I will do yet....
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As i know Verge lite released in China https://cn.amazfit.com/verge-lite.html and Bip lite https://cn.amazfit.com/bip-lite.html. I'm not sure Stratos is in the plan right now. But i hope i'm wrong Anyway good luck to get wishful device
UPDATED: Just some minutes ago i found this article about Verge 2 - https://www.techradar.com/news/amazfit-verge-2-is-coming-soon-and-will-work-without-your-smartphone, as i mentioned Verge is very good smartwatch and better as Stratos, so probably that's why is plans to release Verge 2
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As i know Verge lite released in China https://cn.amazfit.com/verge-lite.html and Bip lite https://cn.amazfit.com/bip-lite.html. I'm not sure Stratos is in the plan right now. But i hope i'm wrong Anyway good luck to get wishful device
UPDATED: Just some minutes ago i found this article about Verge 2 - https://www.techradar.com/news/amazfit-verge-2-is-coming-soon-and-will-work-without-your-smartphone, as i mentioned Verge is very good smartwatch and better as Stratos, so probably that's why is plans to release Verge 2
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I will repeat it again: I've had Stratos and now I have Verge and I know that Stratos is much better, according to my opinion. The fact that at the moment there is a new Verge2 does not mean that there will be no new Stratos edition. It's nice that you like your Verge so much but that does not mean that others have to like him too, because they have to.
Because I do not base my feelings on data from the specifications but on what suits my hand better (I'm not talking about the watch strap), because there is wonderful visibility in the sun without waking up the watch because I can swim with Stratos and because it is nicer for me and Verge it's a plastic toy for me. And that's all according to my opinion and not the specification being read.
Thanks you all for your contribution
It simple my mind.
I order the verge at the end, more recent with funccions i would use more than stratos
Regards
iscao said:
Thanks you all for your contribution
It simple my mind.
I order the verge at the end, more recent with funccions i would use more than stratos
Regards
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Good choice. Congratulation. I hope you will like it very much as i do. It's really good smart watch
Hi,
Just to share my own experience from the Amazfit watches:
Two years ago, I bought my first Amazfit: The BIP. I had previously bought others LG Android wear and Samsung Gear smartwatches.
Yes, I'm a smartwatch geek
Whaouh! This Amazfit BIP is a cheap efficient smartwatch with all the basic services, with (a quite small) transflective Always on Display, and with a crazy battery duration (30 days and more). Android wear and Samsung watches have only 1 to 2 days battery duration. This is a joke compared to this incredible BIP. How is it possible to propose a so long battery duration in a so small light connected watch with all these smart services? The Amazfit engineers are really very very good. Thank you! :good::good:
But the only one default for me is the style of the BIP. It feels a bit too plastic cheap style.
So, I decided to buy the Amazfit STRATOS(2). This watch is very beautifull. Premium style. Really.
The large display has a good quality with the transflective techno, so 24h/7d 100% always on display during nights and days even under the sun.
The OS is based on Android, so cool, we can (try to) install some basic apps. I have developped my first Android App thank to the Stratos.
Watchfaces can be easily customized but it's a bit limited compared to the BIP or GTS/GTR.
Sports applications are quite sophisticated and better compared to the BIP. But we are not at the level of a Garmin or Tomtom watch. (I have also the excellent Tomtom sports watch).
The Applications bring a bit more services and informations on the STRATOS compared to the BIP. But, it's not an "open system" compared to Android wear or Samsung Tizen.
And about the battery duration? 7 days maxi. No more. This is already good but frustrating compared to the BIP!
Great, Amazfit developpers heard me and propose now the BIP with an "Apple watch" style and quality: This is the Amazfit GTS.
Ok, I bought it! This GTS watch has a premium look with a nice brillant AMOLED screen. The OS is almost the same than the BIP. We can set the always on display mode during the day and automatically switch it off during the night. But, you lose the benefit of the transflective screen. The watchface in dim mode is very basic, not customizable and not visible under the sun. To save battery, the display is black when you run. You need to press the button to see your progress.
Actually, AMOLED technos will never beat the advantages of the transflective ones: visibility under the sun and power consumption.
In basic connected mode (no running with GPS), with the screen in AOD mode only during the day, the battery duration is 7 to 8 days. Correct, but not crazy...
So, finally, you know what? The Amazfit BIP is still my prefered watch even if I have kept the others STRATOS and GTS mainly due to their premium styles.
The battery duration of 30 days and always on display mode are real killer services.
See you. :good:
Amazfit GTR 47mm
Try Amazfit GTR 47mm, battery life is 24 days on paper without AOD and thousands of custom dials too
pidobeuliou said:
Hi,
Just to share my own experience from the Amazfit watches:
Two years ago, I bought my first Amazfit: The BIP. I had previously bought others LG Android wear and Samsung Gear smartwatches.
Yes, I'm a smartwatch geek
Whaouh! This Amazfit BIP is a cheap efficient smartwatch with all the basic services, with (a quite small) transflective Always on Display, and with a crazy battery duration (30 days and more). Android wear and Samsung watches have only 1 to 2 days battery duration. This is a joke compared to this incredible BIP. How is it possible to propose a so long battery duration in a so small light connected watch with all these smart services? The Amazfit engineers are really very very good. Thank you! :good::good:
But the only one default for me is the style of the BIP. It feels a bit too plastic cheap style.
So, I decided to buy the Amazfit STRATOS(2). This watch is very beautifull. Premium style. Really.
The large display has a good quality with the transflective techno, so 24h/7d 100% always on display during nights and days even under the sun.
The OS is based on Android, so cool, we can (try to) install some basic apps. I have developped my first Android App thank to the Stratos.
Watchfaces can be easily customized but it's a bit limited compared to the BIP or GTS/GTR.
Sports applications are quite sophisticated and better compared to the BIP. But we are not at the level of a Garmin or Tomtom watch. (I have also the excellent Tomtom sports watch).
The Applications bring a bit more services and informations on the STRATOS compared to the BIP. But, it's not an "open system" compared to Android wear or Samsung Tizen.
And about the battery duration? 7 days maxi. No more. This is already good but frustrating compared to the BIP!
Great, Amazfit developpers heard me and propose now the BIP with an "Apple watch" style and quality: This is the Amazfit GTS.
Ok, I bought it! This GTS watch has a premium look with a nice brillant AMOLED screen. The OS is almost the same than the BIP. We can set the always on display mode during the day and automatically switch it off during the night. But, you lose the benefit of the transflective screen. The watchface in dim mode is very basic, not customizable and not visible under the sun. To save battery, the display is black when you run. You need to press the button to see your progress.
Actually, AMOLED technos will never beat the advantages of the transflective ones: visibility under the sun and power consumption.
In basic connected mode (no running with GPS), with the screen in AOD mode only during the day, the battery duration is 7 to 8 days. Correct, but not crazy...
So, finally, you know what? The Amazfit BIP is still my prefered watch even if I have kept the others STRATOS and GTS mainly due to their premium styles.
The battery duration of 30 days and always on display mode are real killer services.
See you. :good:
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The best Amazfit is not there yet. It is a Amazfit which is completely hacked and open source, paired to a Polar OH1 heart rate sensor which I love for it s accuracy. I love also foot pods for it s accuracy. But can foot pods be paired to Amazfit watches?
The Amazfit integrated wrist HR sensor is too inacurate for my purpose.
Hello
here's a question for owners of Xiaomi Mi Note 10.
Having made experience with it, and knowing what you know, would you buy a Xiaomi Mi Note 10 today?
I ask because I'm about to change smartphone and I'm leaning towards the Mi Note 10.
Looks a solid pick to me; I especially like the Camera and the presence of OIS.
I don't like the fact that the storage can't be expanded, but I've been living constrained within 32 GB with a Huawei P9 for the last 4 and a half years... don't think it'll be much worse within 128 GB.
Everything else about the Mi Note 10 --> I don't know.
How is the skin? Does it have the features you want? What about bugs?
Does the phone heat during usage? If so, when? My P9 would heat quickly while using the Camera.
Keeping the screen On for a good while (browsing, or a long chat...) would also heat my phone.
What about the AMOLED panel? Anything I should know about it? My P9 got an IPS, I never had OLED tech to play with.
How is the Camera software? The P9's is lovely, letting me choose ISO, shutter speed, EV, AutoFocus mode, white balance...
Does the Mi Note 10 have a professional mode?
What about the software updates? Does Xiaomi make them frequently?
Please share your opinion on this device and tell me why you would buy it again today.
And also why you wouldn't.
Thank you
Umb0 said:
Hello
here's a question for owners of Xiaomi Mi Note 10.
Having made experience with it, and knowing what you know, would you buy a Xiaomi Mi Note 10 today?
I ask because I'm about to change smartphone and I'm leaning towards the Mi Note 10.
Looks a solid pick to me; I especially like the Camera and the presence of OIS.
I don't like the fact that the storage can't be expanded, but I've been living constrained within 32 GB with a Huawei P9 for the last 4 and a half years... don't think it'll be much worse within 128 GB.
Everything else about the Mi Note 10 --> I don't know.
How is the skin? Does it have the features you want? What about bugs?
Does the phone heat during usage? If so, when? My P9 would heat quickly while using the Camera.
Keeping the screen On for a good while (browsing, or a long chat...) would also heat my phone.
What about the AMOLED panel? Anything I should know about it? My P9 got an IPS, I never had OLED tech to play with.
How is the Camera software? The P9's is lovely, letting me choose ISO, shutter speed, EV, AutoFocus mode, white balance...
Does the Mi Note 10 have a professional mode?
What about the software updates? Does Xiaomi make them frequently?
Please share your opinion on this device and tell me why you would buy it again today.
And also why you wouldn't.
Thank you
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I saw you reposted your question somewhere else, so I'm reposting mine answer too
Well, mate. Simple answer to your question would be: probably yes. I'll explain this "probably" bit later
At first, I've been using stock MIUI ROM only for one week. I've instantly applied for unlocking bootloader in order to flash Xiaomi.eu, which is a debloated version of MIUI with some improvements. I think it improves an overall performance a little bit. There are some other custom ROMs available for tucana, based on AOSP, but I prefer to stay with MIUI at the moment.
1) Camera: It's really good, but it could be even better with better SoC In my opinion, it is bit too weak at least for the huge main lens. Sometimes it lags, but it's not absolutely bad though. The pics quality is really good. Especially huge main lens gives bright, clear photos, it shines most in the night/low light scenarios. Even better with GCam. OIS is an excellent addon. Tele lenses are good enough, wide angle as well. Macro lens is only 2mpx and it is useful for me only when I need to take a photo of a very close object (1-2 cm), but quality is rather poor. But surprisingly, you can take very good macro pictures with wide angle lens
Just one thing: main lens isn't very good for macro shots. Because of its size, it can blur edges of the objects. But for landscapes and people it's just perfect.
There is a PRO mode with EV correction, exposure time, focus and white balance manual sliders. You can get additional features like long exposure, cloninig and stickers with a Magisk module (they are present on stock in Mi Note 10 pro).
Overall, I would give 8 out of 10 as for camera experience.
2) Storage: 128GB is more than enough for me. My previous device was Redmi Note 4 with 32GB plus 16BG on SD card and I managed as well. If you keep your device reasonably clean, I dont think there is much to worry. I sync my photos with Google Photos, so I can delete them from storage later. The only minor inconvenience is that when I want to/have to make factory reset (granted, most people dont do it often ), I have to copy files from internal storage to USB rather than keep them on SD card. But I can live with that.
3) Skin: I've always liked MIUI, so I'm satisfied. Stock features are ok, although I always like to customize my device as much as possible, so I root it and use Xposed Framework. But this is mainly matter of personal preferences. MIUI is heavy skin though, so it can explain occasional lags and little worse battery life than you could expect from >5000mAh battery. It's not absolutely bad though, I can easily use the phone more than one day with moderate usage (I don't play games).
I didn't notice much heating during usage, although as I mentioned, I'm not a gamer It heats a bit only when turbo charging, but it's not unusual.
3) AMOLED screen: Perfect for me. Nothing to complain about. Some people doesn't like rounded edges, I don't mind. Quality is excellent. OLED gives inifinite contrast, so black is totally black (because unused pixels are just turned off). Highest brightness is high enought to see everything even in sunlight (this is the biggest advantage over LCD). And you can use Always-on Display - I like this feature a lot.
4) Software: With stock ROM, as far as I know, updates are not that rare, but not very frequent too. The phone just got official Android 11 and since it started with A9, it's probably last major update (but probably will be getting new MIUI longer). I use weekly beta and I have A11 for some time already Actually there is one annoyance with MIUI based on A11: permissions and restrictions. You have to manually grant almost all permissions and with those more sensitive, you have to wait 10 seconds until the system lets you to grant it. It drives me crazy but fortunately, you have to do it only once Generally, MIUI A11 performes just ok.
So, despite those minor shortcomings, I would probably buy this phone again. I had limited budget and it was within my range. But if you can afford, I'd recommend to consider Mi Note 10 Pro. It has more powerful SoC and that can make a difference.
If you'd like to know something more, I can tell you Cheers!
It's nice of you to share, thanks
(and, sorry for having you chase me on this other thread )
Lord Sithek said:
So, despite those minor shortcomings, I would probably buy this phone again. I had limited budget and it was within my range. But if you can afford, I'd recommend to consider Mi Note 10 Pro. It has more powerful SoC and that can make a difference.
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My budget wouldn't quite afford me a Mi Note 10, but I'm willing to shell an extra for this phone.
The Mi Note 10 Pro is far above my limit, instead. Will prices drop once the Mi 11 hits the market?
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I'd happily buy a mid-range should I find one that takes proper photos without a metric ton of postprocessing to mask a cheap sensor. Even some flagships of today leave much to be desired here [...]
If you got recommendations, feel free to tell -in PM if they're OT here-.
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You say that the Mi Note 10 Pro has better SoC over the Mi Note 10, but the two units should be identical save for RAM/Storage GB (6/128 vs. 8/256). Perhaps I misunderstand what you mean?
Lord Sithek said:
If you'd like to know something more, I can tell you Cheers!
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Yes, I forgot to ask about the fingerprint sensor!
I'm spoiled by the phenomenal one on the Huawei P9.
I'm an EMT and wear non-trasparent lattice gloves most of the time and yet the P9's sensor recognizes my fingerprint without issues. Gloves on, just press on the sensor a tiny bit harder --> it unlocks lightning fast as always.
How good is the Mi Note 10's fingerprint sensor, instead?
As for the software...
I don't make rooting. Bricking an expensive device taugh me a lesson, and I decided to stick to OTA and stock software as much as I can. Should stock MIUI be somewhat heavy, I'll live with it.
But it doesn't hurt to know things in advance, so thank you
Another question:
Is there some kind of Secure Folder in MIUI? I mean an encrypted storage protected by password/fingerprint.
Thank you again.
I'd like to hear more on the Mi Note 10...
Umb0 said:
It's nice of you to share, thanks
(and, sorry for having you chase me on this other thread )
My budget wouldn't quite afford me a Mi Note 10, but I'm willing to shell an extra for this phone.
The Mi Note 10 Pro is far above my limit, instead. Will prices drop once the Mi 11 hits the market?
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I'd happily buy a mid-range should I find one that takes proper photos without a metric ton of postprocessing to mask a cheap sensor. Even some flagships of today leave much to be desired here [...]
If you got recommendations, feel free to tell -in PM if they're OT here-.
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You say that the Mi Note 10 Pro has better SoC over the Mi Note 10, but the two units should be identical save for RAM/Storage GB (6/128 vs. 8/256). Perhaps I misunderstand what you mean?
Yes, I forgot to ask about the fingerprint sensor!
I'm spoiled by the phenomenal one on the Huawei P9.
I'm an EMT and wear non-trasparent lattice gloves most of the time and yet the P9's sensor recognizes my fingerprint without issues. Gloves on, just press on the sensor a tiny bit harder --> it unlocks lightning fast as always.
How good is the Mi Note 10's fingerprint sensor, instead?
As for the software...
I don't make rooting. Bricking an expensive device taugh me a lesson, and I decided to stick to OTA and stock software as much as I can. Should stock MIUI be somewhat heavy, I'll live with it.
But it doesn't hurt to know things in advance, so thank you
Another question:
Is there some kind of Secure Folder in MIUI? I mean an encrypted storage protected by password/fingerprint.
Thank you again.
I'd like to hear more on the Mi Note 10...
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Sorry, my bad, you are right - Mi Note 10 and Mi Note 10 Pro have the same chipset. I must remembered it wrong. But another options you might consider are:
1) Mi Note 10 Lite: The same chipset and bit less equiped with cameras than regular Mi Note 10, but as I know from reviews, people praise photos quality as well. There is no 108mpx camera, but I must admit - it's a bit overrated. It consumes much power, but in practice I use the full resolution very rarely. It's not really neccessary in real life. Lite version has 48mpx and it's probably sufficient. And no blurry macros from main lens Amoled screen present as well and the prices should be considerably lower.
2) Mi 10T: If you don't care about Amoled that much (personally I care ). It has high screen refresh rate, so user experience should be really fluent. Supported by powerful chipset. I don't know much about cameras, you would have to watch some reviews. And I don't know about prices...
3) Mi 9T/Mi 9T Pro: I'm not sure they are still available, but they were among the best Xiaomi devices up to date. Mi 9T Pro has more powerful chipset, but is more expensive obvioulsy. Both have Amoled screen, good photo quality, no notch. The latter can be advantage or disadvantage, depending on what do you expect (selfie lens pop up automatically). I was considering Mi 9T seriously until Mi Note 10 appeared
As for Mi Note 10's fingerprint: It's ok. I wouldn't call it phenomenal though. When the screen is active (I mean on lock screen or in the secured app login screen) it works pretty fast. But it's noticeably slower on Always-on Display - I have to hold my finger a little bit longer to get unlocked. Alternatively, I use face unlock. It's standard on MIUI. I know its less secure, but Im not that scared And my enviroment is relatively safe. Face unlock works really fast.
There are tools to secure your data and apps. I just use app lock for one app with my passwords, and I checked you can secure any folder in the file manager.
Lord Sithek said:
...surprisingly, you can take very good macro pictures with wide angle lens
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Thanks for the tip, that was a revelation!
I've had the Mi Note 10 for just over a year, and I'd buy it again. The stock camera sometimes over-processes/saturates greens in landscapes, but it's not a deal-breaker. The portrait mode can produce some excellent pics. I've occasionally tried Gcam mods, but the stock camera is good enough most of the time.
Lord Sithek said:
Sorry, my bad, you are right - Mi Note 10 and Mi Note 10 Pro have the same chipset. I must remembered it wrong. But another options you might consider are:
1) Mi Note 10 Lite: The same chipset and bit less equiped with cameras than regular Mi Note 10, but as I know from reviews, people praise photos quality as well. There is no 108mpx camera, but I must admit - it's a bit overrated. It consumes much power, but in practice I use the full resolution very rarely. It's not really neccessary in real life. Lite version has 48mpx and it's probably sufficient. And no blurry macros from main lens Amoled screen present as well and the prices should be considerably lower.
2) Mi 10T: If you don't care about Amoled that much (personally I care ). It has high screen refresh rate, so user experience should be really fluent. Supported by powerful chipset. I don't know much about cameras, you would have to watch some reviews. And I don't know about prices...
3) Mi 9T/Mi 9T Pro: I'm not sure they are still available, but they were among the best Xiaomi devices up to date. Mi 9T Pro has more powerful chipset, but is more expensive obvioulsy. Both have Amoled screen, good photo quality, no notch. The latter can be advantage or disadvantage, depending on what do you expect (selfie lens pop up automatically). I was considering Mi 9T seriously until Mi Note 10 appeared
As for Mi Note 10's fingerprint: It's ok. I wouldn't call it phenomenal though. When the screen is active (I mean on lock screen or in the secured app login screen) it works pretty fast. But it's noticeably slower on Always-on Display - I have to hold my finger a little bit longer to get unlocked. Alternatively, I use face unlock. It's standard on MIUI. I know its less secure, but Im not that scared And my enviroment is relatively safe. Face unlock works really fast.
There are tools to secure your data and apps. I just use app lock for one app with my passwords, and I checked you can secure any folder in the file manager.
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The more I look at the pics the Mi Note 10 can take, the more I'm set to it.
I was looking at the Mi 10T too.
I may buy it or the Mi Note 10 for the same price right now.
Speaking for myself, the Mi 10T sports a number of features that I don't find useful or even valuable, but I'd have to pay for nonetheless.
5G support is a pink invisible unicorn in my Country, at least for a good while. 4G devices are perfect.
The high Hz panel is a battery drain I don't need. You want 144 Hz? The chip must compose and present each. Talking of a... *mumbling* some quick math... 60:100=144:x ... x=144*100/60 ... x=240%... umm, talking of a +140% workload increase over a 60 Hz panel. No thanks!
The SoC is also powerful. Perhaps too much? My P9 runs 4x @ 2.5 and 4x @ 1.8 GHz cores. I can tell you it drains the battery quickly. I value more a slower chip that won't drink energy like beer.
Then there's the IPS vs. AMOLED thing... I've been living with IPS for the last 4.5 years and I appreciate it, but in total darkness the grey fog where black should be is gonna make you wish you chose differently.
Last, but not least, I have no samples to compare the Cameras against other devices. I'm sure that the Camera department has been shrunk to contain the production costs. It also lacks OIS, which I want this time around
As for the Lite versions... they were all in my radar. But none has OIS, and their photos always show artifacts from lot of Post-Processing (PP) to enhance the details. Sure, every phone does PP, but there's a reason if the more expensive devices don't need as much PP as the midrangers.
Camera wise, the Xiaomi Mi Note 10 is something! It's also modern and doesn't cost me a fortune
What I'm not thrilled about are the panel's rounded edges. Will get used to 'em, but I don't dig the change.
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Spoiler: 33 Hours Later (a true story)...
I'll just edit this in, hoping it's not against forum rules.
This afternoon I went to buy the smartphone. I could hardly believe to have found it so close to home (6 km) and at such a low price (349 €). And it was not from some minuscule shop nobody heard of, but in a Shopping Center and from none other than... um, I'm not sure I can name them.
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But I can reveal that it's a 2-words name, each word starting with M and each 5 characters long.
In their ads a capital red M character is also the omnipresent 3D object appearing in place of whatever the advertized product is.
Funny how they use their original name in all Europe, but in my Country alone they operate under a different name (always starting with M. Also, the ads copy the same graphics as the german originals).
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Anyway...
When I go at the counter, the surprises begin. They have 6 units total available and each box is NOT sealed, each phone has a protective film applied ALREADY, and there's a hidden EXTRA cost of 24 € for the "service", in addition to the price stated online.
I couldn't believe my ears as the clerk explained this stuff.
I asked if the phones were returned products or even refurbished, for none of this was explained or hinted at, online.
Heed his words: he didn't say they were "new" or "not refurbished", he said they were "not damaged products"!
Yeah, right...
I said this to him: "You can't prove your claim since the boxes are open. Keep your pre-applied protective films. For 350 euros I buy a sealed box covered by full warranty. You have one ready now, or I go away".
He mumbled: "I'm sorry" while turning at his monitor -- couldn't sustain my stare.
I didn't buy online to reserve the merchandise.
I could do so up until midnight yesterday, but waited too much and lost the opportunity (for reason unknown the merchandise went Unavailable for the time being).
Lady Luck herself made me miss the deal -- thank you thank you thank you!
Had I bought online, now it'd be trouble because... 1) I wouldn't get my money back (they'd give me a time-limited voucher valid in their shops only, but they got nothing I want) and... 2) to retrieve my merchandise at the counter I'd be charged the hidden 24 € -- else I wouldn't walk away with my property. Believe, it's all true!
I wonder what would have been sent me if I purchased online and chose to have it delivered home, and shudder at the idea of receiving a refurbished unit sold for pristine.
This thought is further strengthened by the customer reviews found on the website. Two reviews only, the last one from December 2020 saying that he "likes the Mi Note 10 but is disappointed by the lame touch display and fingerprint sensor".
From all accounts the Mi Note 10 doesn't mount lame hardware. I believe that this guy was sold a refurbished unit and he doesn't suspect it. He also praised the low price of the Mi Note 10. Sounds like he got a device from the lot I was presented today.
This is plain Commercial Misbehavior
[SMALL UPDATE]
In the end I bought the smartphone, at another shop, for another price.
I opted to have it delivered at the very shop, because it's near home and I'd go retrieve it myself.
Why use a courier when the shop is a mere 3 km from home -- right?
The package will arrive in two days from now, that is: the coming Monday... however I won't be able to retrieve it because starting with Monday we're in Lockdown and all shops will be closed. Until March 29th.
Covid sucks in every way