So I finally updated my Mate 10 from China with EMUI 9, I couldn't get OTA updates for the past year or so and I was stuck with software from April, so, old stuff. Now I got EMUI 9 and I have some things to note that possibly not many noticed because I got all these in one update rather than many in between:
Camera quality is better, the auto mode doesn't overexpose anymore and as result the photos are just way better now and I don't have to use exposure compensation every time I take a pic on auto. Of course detail and noise reduction didn't change, its basically the same camera but now the auto exposure just works way better and all the photos look noticeably better to my eye, and no this is not placebo, I've taken thousands of photos with my Mate 10 and I know the difference it made.
Camera app and features.
#1. I love the new camera features, the 960 FPS video with the Samsung motion detection feature is amazing, Sony does slow motion better (1080p 960fps) but this is good for me!
#2. Night mode works, hallelujah! it works! I had my doubts when this update rolled out to the phones as to how similar it truly was to the P20 Pro night mode, was it the same or was it a lesser feature just named similarly to trick us? Turns out, it's the same, it really does take 4 second shots with AI stabilization hand-held mode. And it's glorious, it's really really good both quality wise and usage wise.
#3. AI master. Improved AI scene recognition, more scenes detected, better less aggressive tuning, and you can turn it off! What's not to like? I usually leave this on most of the time because I take a lot of casual photos with friends and when outside, so I like the added pop and they look like ready to post photos, don't have to edit them. But I also like that when I need more control I can disable it.
#4. Portrait mode improved, I didn't see this mentioned anywhere but now my portrait shots are noticeably better and edge detection works better, you get more options for the blur and just feels better overall, probably the improvements from the P20 Pro portrait mode?
very nice post!
I agree with everything you've said, and now that you said, I've tested a little and I can notice that it no longer overexposes the shot!
About night mode, I got it since the 8.1 update, what model do you have?
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Selfie portrait is gone i cant find it
I disagree that the details are the same in emui 9 and 8........I think the details in the photos decreased alot in emui 9 camera...... I notice this but I thought that I am wrong but when I saw my old photos I found that the photos size generally(1.5-2.5MB) deceased about to half comparing to the photos I have taken with emui 8 camera(3.0-4.5MB)... especially in night mode (6.5[EMUI 8]-->1.5MB[EMUI 9]) AND SELFIES ..... Yes I know that there are alot of new and awesome features in new camera app(like fixing the auto settings) but the details in the photos disappointed me??
Any one has the same problem or just my model?
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I disagree that the details are the same in emui 9 and 8........I think the details in the photos decreased alot in emui 9 camera...... I notice this but I thought that I am wrong but when I saw my old photos I found that the photos size generally(1.5-2.5MB) deceased about to half comparing to the photos I have taken with emui 8 camera(3.0-4.5MB)... especially in night mode (6.5[EMUI 8]-->1.5MB[EMUI 9]) AND SELFIES ..... Yes I know that there are alot of new and awesome features in new camera app(like fixing the auto settings) but the details in the photos disappointed me
Any one has the same problem or just my model?
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Your first clue should have been the photo sizes, it's not that the detail is any less, the jpg compression is higher so the "quality" will be less. You might want to check if you can change the jpg settings, or better yet take your photo in raw format as that uses no compression.
Can you share your camera app?
im on latest camera update emui 9.1.. loss the detail in the result.. how to turn of the beautification mode sir? on level 0, the picture result still like on the beautification.. loss the detail a lot..
shoot in raw, spend some quality time on quality results, quit comparing jpeg mediocre processing on mobile phones
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Hello,
As the title says i need help choosing (or getting) the best camera mod available up to date.
The device is a rooted Note 4 running on Omega Rom android version 4.4.4 (yes and i`m not changing it!)
It has the default Samsung camera app.. the image quality is really awful, horrible compared to my 200 year old iphone5..
I am using the optimum camera settings HDR and 16mp and the daylight photos are OK-ish.. but once the sun goes down i no longer have a camera, meaning at night the camera is just awful!
Also the colors seem quite saturated/yellowish generally the photos quality is really pour, i do believe that with a mod it can be better..
What i need is a camera mod that will shoot photos as close to the actual colors as possible, best image quality is what i`m after.
I dont really care about video recording honestly i`m fine with 1024 on video, all im after is image quality!
EDIT:
The build in samsung camera app/mod lacks many camera app features that my grandma`s phone has, im talking about features like macro,focus,image quality settings and more!
There must be a mod out there that enables those features?
Please help me get a better image quality the summer already passed
Thank you!
You won't get any better it's to do with the cameras hardware not software. Have you tried increasing the exposure and turn the ISO up to something like 800 or whatever the highest ISO value is? You will still get grainy/noisy images with a higher ISO but should be a brighter image. Iphones while I'll never go back to one, have got pretty good cameras for low light situations but if you really want to take pictures in low light then you should consider buying the S7, S7 edge or the note 7 when it's released.
Thanks for the info
I did expect more from the camera of the note 4..
The max ISO is 800 but the best image quality in my opinion is with the lowest ISO setting which is 100.
Overall I'm super happy with the phone in general.. the note 7 did not convince me im not gona commit to swap it, meaning that I'm gonna stock around with no camera for a while
Hardware wise the camera is decent, I'm sure that with an open mod it should take better shots, at least in day light..
Thanks for the reply ☺
I've been using the Huawei P10 on an off since MWC and thought I'd share my camera review and 90+ pictures that I've taken with the phone.
Quick highlights: camera is similar to the P9 form last year, but the software has gotten better and the P10's digital background blur is better as well. HDR images are kinda dull, but HRD isn't really needed since the dual-sensor does a really good job of pulling in extra light. Works really well when taking photos against the sun. Low light performance could be better. I'll have to do some side-by-side comparison shots, but I think low light was better on the P9.
93 pictures
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3FaKHjjH-yqa2dYSWNMUUlYR1E/view?usp=sharing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSdE5QyAuCE (video)
Huawei P10 camera review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NMdPQ5qUPw
Let me know what you think.
Very good review, i have the same thoughts (as former P9 user).
Very good review, i read on other review P10 is beter than iphone 7 in low light... What do you think ?
The camera is awesome, I never take pictures with cell phone, but since it's Leica and the pictures come out pro and you have the ability to take RAW, I will use this as a secondary camera next to my DSLR camera.
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I'm curious about the low light performance two. Some of the reviewers says it's one of the best low light performers. Others says it could be better. I even read a review claiming that the low light performance of the LG G6 is better. Also some people is comparing pictures taken in totally dark rooms, without any light at all. I don't think that's a useful approach. And apparently if the phone camera adds brightness and heavyly over exposes the picture of the dark room. That phone is judged supperior than the phone with the lesser overexposured picture.
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I'm curious about the low light performance two. Some of the reviewers says it's one of the best low light performers. Others says it could be better. I even read a review claiming that the low light performance of the LG G6 is better. Also some people is comparing pictures taken in totally dark rooms, without any light at all. I don't think that's a useful approach. And apparently if the phone camera adds brightness and heavyly over exposes the picture of the dark room. That phone is judged supperior than the phone with the lesser overexposured picture.
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Exactly.
Most reviewers (probably not photographers) tend to think that if the camera
overexpose a dark scene then it has a good low light "performance"
To me it is looks totally fake and unnatural..
Low light performance should be how close the camera can reproduce the current scene and at what noise level at given iso/shutter speed.
Before the P10 I used the Nexus 5x which was a lot better in darker areas. If you like I can provide a comparison.
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Before the P10 I used the Nexus 5x which was a lot better in darker areas. If you like I can provide a comparison.
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Yes preferably non HDR and please provide info of iso and shutter speed (if no exif) and what light level it was when the picture was taken.
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Yes preferably non HDR and please provide info of iso and shutter speed (if no exif) and what light level it was when the picture was taken.
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Ah Sorry. Because shooting pictures without HDR does not make so much sense for me, I can only compare HDR.
But maybe I can provide it after the weekend when I get my hands on my old Nexus.
Hey there. I'm a proud owner of this phone too and since most of you would like to know how the low light situation I'm showing you some photos in this conditions.
They do have some snapseed post-processing because I was experimenting with it.
Huawei P10 review
Yes!!! The camera is the main attraction. 20MP + 12MP dual lens camera is capable of taking crispy pictures or video. Other impressive features include Leica optics, phase detection and laser autofocus, dual-LED, dual-tone flash.
Huawei P10 Plus is a premium smartphone. It features a powerful HiSilicon Kirin 960 supported by an octa-core processor. For intense gaming or multitasking, Mali-G71 graphic processor with either 4GB or 6GB RAM is more than enough. The device will be extremely snappy and responsive. The two variations in storage (64GB & 128GB) will be more than enough for your files and downloads. But you can easily expand it via microSD. The entire device is powered by Li-Ion 3750 mAh battery with fast charging capabilities.
Let me know what you think! :fingers-crossed:
I have never heard AI camera till I noticed a thread on XDA (https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-10/how-to/ai-camera-technology-makes-photo-t3784973#post76430132). Could anyone tell the difference of these two pictures and how does AI contribute to the photo?
This explains it, I think: https://www.xda-developers.com/honor-10-multi-scene-detection-filters-camera/
The AI camera on the View 10 and the Mate 10 recognised a single scene (from a list of 13 scenes) and optimised the picture for that scene. The AI 2.0 on the P20 series and the Honor 10 is capable of recognising multiple scenes, intelligently segmenting them and applying individual scene optimisations to the picture to all the recognised scenes.
it seem to add saturation, contrast and HDR everywhere, doesn't seem that exciting for people who like realistic photos/colors
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it seem to add saturation, contrast and HDR everywhere, doesn't seem that exciting for fans of people who like realistic photos/colors
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But very exciting for social sharers
For those that have actually sampled the phone or are using it, have they seen a difference between pictures taken by the Honor 10 and then the Honor 9 or 10 View?
can't compare with other models but images of skin are overprocessed, skin is too smooth and at same time they try to make everything extremely sharp, so you end up missing lot of blurred details of skin, especially pubic hair on face it's blurry as hell
as for AI, I just switched it off, it's taking bad photos, if you take photos of landscape it just oversaturate all colors, especially grass/leaves/sky but even buildings, people in foreground are better. AI also deciding most of the time when detect person in viewfinder that you should use Bokeh/portrait mode and blur everything around, which is kinda stupid, though at least you can later decide to disable this AI and return back to original image
TLDR - too sharp (eyes and other parts), too much contract (hair/eyes making everything darker), too smooth/baby skin missing imperfections/details. as for AI oversaturated mess with only benefit brightening dark parts, not really worth being enabled if you ask me, need to experiment with HDR or Pro mode
These 2 videos make a comparison between AI, HDR and AUTO modes of the Honor 10. It compares it to a Xiaomi Redmi 5 plus and it blows it out of the water, expecially in low light.
This is probably going to be am unpopular opinion but does anyone else think that the Pixel 6 camera sucks? Pics straight out of device are a) over sharpened and b) flat. The canned filters are poor too. Enhance does nearly nothing, dynamic is a circuis like sharpening and contrast+saturation, and the rest are such ugly color casts which makes them useless. None of the filters have a "strength" slider to control the magnitude of the effect. Yet the sky filters that have the exact same names and function all have strength sliders. WTF Google?
I was hoping that Google has taken SnapSeed and incorporated it into the default camera in some dumbed down format so as not to confuse the general user. Wishful thinking. Not only that, I can't seem to find a way to tweak the default settings to my liking.
On an ongoing trip the images from my wife's 18 month old Fruit 12 max wiped the floor with the Pixel 6. This is from man Apple hater who will never own a fruit themed device.
To summarize my experience with the Pixel 6 so far; ****ty fingerprint reader, ****ty camera. Alas I dislike Samsung products almost as much as the fruity ones. If OnePlus had not decided to take heavy handed approach to Oxygen OS 12 I would be rocking a OnePlus 9 instead and be content.
I've noticed the over sharpened on some pics and just a general overall look I didn't like right away with the pixel 6. This last week I have done a bunch of night sight pics in the same location I did last year with my pixel 2 and the pixel 6 absolutely looks better in every way. I'm sure the improved night sight is the updated hardware but google needs to work on their eye candy AI for the new sensors in other situations.
Try shooting raw and with night mode (even for daylight) then download adobe lightroom mobile (free version is enough), open the raw file in it, click the auto button and export the picture. Then compare to stock jpeg. You will be amazed. The hardware and image stacking on this phone are top notch. This is the first phone i have seen that has actually usable raw files. The stock jpeg on the other side is something i also don't like due to overprocessing.
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This is probably going to be am unpopular opinion but does anyone else think that the Pixel 6 camera sucks? Pics straight out of device are a) over sharpened and b) flat. The canned filters are poor too. Enhance does nearly nothing, dynamic is a circuis like sharpening and contrast+saturation, and the rest are such ugly color casts which makes them useless. None of the filters have a "strength" slider to control the magnitude of the effect. Yet the sky filters that have the exact same names and function all have strength sliders. WTF Google?
I was hoping that Google has taken SnapSeed and incorporated it into the default camera in some dumbed down format so as not to confuse the general user. Wishful thinking. Not only that, I can't seem to find a way to tweak the default settings to my liking.
On an ongoing trip the images from my wife's 18 month old Fruit 12 max wiped the floor with the Pixel 6. This is from man Apple hater who will never own a fruit themed device.
To summarize my experience with the Pixel 6 so far; ****ty fingerprint reader, ****ty camera. Alas I dislike Samsung products almost as much as the fruity ones. If OnePlus had not decided to take heavy handed approach to Oxygen OS 12 I would be rocking a OnePlus 9 instead and be content.
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Sent the Pixel 6 back and get a refund.
It is the simplest solution.
Not really, since real alternatives are scarce..
I really enjoy the camera. It's been taking phenomenal pictures for me. They will update the camera more as well and with Google's history I see it being very good.
I just got this phone yesterday, made Few photos and I am coming from a Galaxy note 20 ultra... I have to say I am impressed with the camera but for sure it does not live up to the hype on the internet. My Galaxy note 20 ultra makes as good if not better photos and to top all that I was comparing my photos last night with a friend's Huawei 40 pro ... And his photos were as good and in some cases better (some mine were better but less so) 5han the Google pixel 6... Just say both those phones are over a year old.
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Try shooting raw and with night mode (even for daylight) then download adobe lightroom mobile (free version is enough), open the raw file in it, click the auto button and export the picture. Then compare to stock jpeg. You will be amazed. The hardware and image stacking on this phone are top notch. This is the first phone i have seen that has actually usable raw files. The stock jpeg on the other side is something i also don't like due to overprocessing.
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Did you ever try Photoshop Express fpr RAW processing?
Yes i tried but the engine is the same between lightroom and photoshop express hence results are same. PS has better retouch capabilities if you need these.
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Yes i tried but the engine is the same between lightroom and photoshop express
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Tbats what I was hoping
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Try shooting raw and with night mode (even for daylight) then download adobe lightroom mobile (free version is enough), open the raw file in it, click the auto button and export the picture. Then compare to stock jpeg. You will be amazed. The hardware and image stacking on this phone are top notch. This is the first phone i have seen that has actually usable raw files. The stock jpeg on the other side is something i also don't like due to overprocessing.
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Thanks for saying this. So I didn't have to.
I find the camera pretty crappy if I'm honest. Detail in all of my pictures, including in well lit areas, are mediocre at best.
Night mode is absolutely useless too. If I compare it to my old Huawei Mate 20 Pro night mode pictures, there is no comparison.
Thinking of getting rid of the Pixel and getting something with an actual decent camera.
Pixel shots have a very specific look. It's not always realistic but it's beautiful. Live HDR and zero shutter lag are so nice.
If you're coming from a OnePlus phone, it can be a literal night and day difference in quality.
Is it possible that it is the selfie images that is breaking the camera?
What hype was there with this camera? Sure it has a new sensor that was talked about quite a bit, but everyone was saying that they picture quality was NOT different than the older Pixel models.
It is different but you need to try raw shooting to see the differences. Google's jpeg processing is far too aggressive regarding noise reduction so the small details are lost and stock jpegs look similar to older pixels. I will take some pictures these days to show the difference between stock jpeg and one converted from raw.
Here are links to stock jpeg from phone and one generated from raw file via adobe lightroom:
JPEG from raw:
jpeg from raw.jpg
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Stock jpeg:
stock jpeg.jpg
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For me the raw file generated by the pixel 6 (especially with night mode) is very good. It has a lot of detail and low amount of noise. In this case i have not applied any post processing except the auto button in adobe lightroom mobile hence no noise reduction and sharpening at all. If you prefer sharper and cleaner picture this raw file can handle both without any problem. Comparing the two pictures main problems with google's stock jpeg looks to be following:
1. Too much sharpening
2. Too aggressive HDR bringing up some nasty noise from the shadows
3. Too aggressive noise reduction. IT is not only very aggressive removing some fine details but it is also applied in different levels in different zones causing patches which are more smeared than the rest of the picture. For me this looks very ugly.
As i doubt that google will give us and settings to adjust jpeg processing my advice to everybody looking to get the most from the camera is to shoot raw with night mode on even in daylight and process the raw file the way they like it. It is always good to also have the raw file as backup because software constantly improves and in future you may get even better results from the old raw files.
I don't like the main camera for close subjects, the depth of field drop off is too shallow for my liking and the focus area is small causing soft edges due to the large sensor.
People who take pictures of food a lot might have a love hate relationship.
It is also annoying to scan qr codes due to the soft edges.
And what about that main camera for video calling on duo or whatsapp? Is it crappy only for me or are you guys experiencing the same?
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Try shooting raw and with night mode (even for daylight) then download adobe lightroom mobile (free version is enough), open the raw file in it, click the auto button and export the picture. Then compare to stock jpeg. You will be amazed. The hardware and image stacking on this phone are top notch. This is the first phone i have seen that has actually usable raw files. The stock jpeg on the other side is something i also don't like due to overprocessing.
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Wow, you have just made my day
Major Update Released for Galaxy S23, Improves Camera - TizenHelp
As promised earlier this month, Samsung is now releasing a major software update for the Galaxy S23 series. The major focus of the software is to improve the camera performance & Gallery of Galaxy S23, S23+ & S23 Ultra. In the past, many users complained about the camera and other features, so...
www.tizenhelp.com
1. A function has been added to the gallery so that you can immediately delete photos that are being processed immediately after taking them with the camera.
2. For faster photo taking, the AF concept has been changed so that when the user presses the shooting button, the user can take a photo even when the focus is not completely set.
However, if you want to shoot after completing Focus as before, please change the settings in the latest Camera Assistant.
3. Improved sharpness/flicker and added notice when shooting Ultrawide in low light indoors after setting Camera Video Mode > Super Steady On.
4. Fixed a phenomenon where a green line was displayed on the left side intermittently when shooting in the rear photo mode.
5. Improved image stabilization when shooting with FHD60 after setting Auto FPS Off in the rear video.
6. Improved line-shaped banding noise in the sky in mid-low light when shooting high-pixel in low-mid light.
Overall sharpness was optimized during high-pixel shooting, and intermittent blurring was improved through OIS stabilization.
7. Fixed a malfunction when shooting after Night Off in low light after selecting Shooting Speed > High Resolution > Speed Priority in Camera Assistant.
8. Fixed an issue where face recognition could not be recognized intermittently after ending a 3rd party video call.
9. Stability has been improved for camera movements introduced through other routes.
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Nice and specially the faster photo taking, but I don't see anything about post-processing...
I can see some post-processing things. Point 3 - more sharpening, <sarcasm on> because out of the box Samsung is applying to less <sarcasm off>.
As predicted, no serious change. stock camera picture will continue to suck.
Luckily we have gcam on this device (the reason I went back to Samsung after 10 years)
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As predicted, no serious change. stock camera picture will continue to suck.
Luckily we have gcam on this device (the reason I went back to Samsung after 10 years)
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Yes, I'm using GCAM as well and I'm quite happy with the picture quality, but it is frustrating that you need to use 3rd party app to make a camera for a such expensive device (which is by the way advertised as a camera-oriented one with exceptional quality) usable. And would be nice to make better use of that high-resolution sensor that we have. I know, that it is not possible to heave real 200Mpix or even 50Mpix pictures, but with good algorithms that would be more than 12Mpix that we have in the GCAM.
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Yes, I'm using GCAM as well and I'm quite happy with the picture quality, but it is frustrating that you need to use 3rd party app to make a camera for a such expensive device (which is by the way advertised as a camera-oriented one with exceptional quality) usable. And would be nice to make better use of that high-resolution sensor that we have. I know, that it is not possible to heave real 200Mpix or even 50Mpix pictures, but with good algorithms that would be more than 12Mpix that we have in the GCAM.
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Agree, is so annoying
I hope this update will fix the photos and especially - the video stabilization bug that is unacceptable in a phone of such class.
In march I once had a pretty important event of which I took a couple of videos. All of them are shaky as hell - there is literally zero video stabilization on them. Pretty annoying given that the stabilization on S23 series is great and WAS great with january security patch, but they destroyed it in February or March patch.
Photos are also an oversharpened disaster. Can't wait for the update.
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I hope this update will fix the photos and especially - the video stabilization bug that is unacceptable in a phone of such class.
In march I once had a pretty important event of which I took a couple of videos. All of them are shaky as hell - there is literally zero video stabilization on them. Pretty annoying given that the stabilization on S23 series is great and WAS great with january security patch, but they destroyed it in February or March patch.
Photos are also an oversharpened disaster. Can't wait for the update.
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If you were shooting fhd 60 fps then yes, that issue has been addressed. As for the rest, nope. Check first post for release notes.
chetszot said:
I hope this update will fix the photos and especially - the video stabilization bug that is unacceptable in a phone of such class.
In march I once had a pretty important event of which I took a couple of videos. All of them are shaky as hell - there is literally zero video stabilization on them. Pretty annoying given that the stabilization on S23 series is great and WAS great with january security patch, but they destroyed it in February or March patch.
Photos are also an oversharpened disaster. Can't wait for the update.
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Enable auto FPS until this update is released. This fixes stabilization issue on [email protected]
Probably in preparation of camera update, received an update of Camera Assistant (CA) app. New feature is reported:
"-Prioritize focus over speed
Wait for the camera to finish focusing before triggering the shutter. This may delay the shutter slightly."
The feature is actually not (yet) visible in the CA-app...
What's a gcam profile for the 23u?
I'm hoping it will stop the over saturation and balance photos better. Sometimes the colors it shows defy reality!
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I'm hoping it will stop the over saturation and balance photos better. Sometimes the colors it shows defy reality!
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You have high hopes. There is nothing about that is the changelog.
I'll wait for the update to be released before offering an opinion on how good or bad it is.
Seems like minor update that's tweaking AF on stills and bunch of video mode fixes. Unless they don't list other tweaks
In The Netherlands the update is not there yet.
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In The Netherlands the update is not there yet.
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Don't worry, it's released only in S. Korea so far and nowhere else in this milky way galaxy. All are waiting.
Installing firm from 918N into 918B is an option ?
I mean ... is it just a CSC question or the phones are different in terms of hardware ?
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Installing firm from 918N into 918B is an option ?
I mean ... is it just a CSC question or the phones are different in terms of hardware ?
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Different hardware unfortunately
Fl1nt91 said:
As predicted, no serious change. stock camera picture will continue to suck.
Luckily we have gcam on this device (the reason I went back to Samsung after 10 years)
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Suck? Do you have parkinson's?
The camera while not perfect performs brilliantly .
Return yours
Mine is the best S Series Camera to date.
Must be a batch difference.
I took over 300 pics and vids comparing s22U to S23U and my results coincided with most every experienced YouTube reviewer.....overall: damned good with improvements expected