Specifically, I'm curious about the RAM since there isn't much info about the minimum requirements about ram.
A little background info:
I have bought myself a second hand laptop, a Thinkpad R61. I plan to use it as a portable workstation (sort of) since i can't carry my desktop anywhere I want, obviously.
The CPU is a Core2 duo t7700 2.4 GHz, and i plan to keep it. The hard drive is a 5400rpm 160gb hdd, which is going to be replaced with an ssd. The ram is difficult to decide, though. I have 2 gb ddr2 right now, and I can shove in 8 gb max but that's expensive. I'm planning to go for 2+2 kit, but i don't know if that's enough.
I don't care if the compilation will take a long time, i just need to know whether 4 gb total is enough.
Oh, and keep in mind that budget is tight. Thanks.
A T7700 is probably going to take a very long time. Even building a kernel on a Q9500 was over an hour in 2013.
Get the RAM if it's very cheap or free, but I'd honestly save the money and put away to buy a newer laptop.
In the long term you'll get a far better result.
You may honestly be better off looking at building on a remote machine. Several places (such as Amazon) will let you create a VM that you can connect to and run remotely. As long as you don't go crazy on that you may even be able to get that for free. If you can get that, far better to go that route and saving your hard earned cash for a new laptop.
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A T7700 is probably going to take a very long time. Even building a kernel on a Q9500 was over an hour in 2013.
Get the RAM if it's very cheap or free, but I'd honestly save the money and put away to buy a newer laptop.
In the long term you'll get a far better result.
You may honestly be better off looking at building on a remote machine. Several places (such as Amazon) will let you create a VM that you can connect to and run remotely. As long as you don't go crazy on that you may even be able to get that for free. If you can get that, far better to go that route and saving your hard earned cash for a new laptop.
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Yeah, using a cloud service is what I am thinking lately. I think I might benefit from the uni's agreement on Azure, if there is such thing.
The laptop is fine actually despite it's age, the classic thinkpad keyboard is great, the whole thing is usable with win8.1 x86.
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Hey there,
Just noticed there isn't the whole 1Gb of ram available for Android to use......
Does this alter performance???
Is it allocated for graphics or the webtop??
Is there any way to remove the allocations for the addresses so they are all for Android OS???
Currently there's only 8xx.x MB available...
Cheers guys....... (just weird future-proofing questions)
About 300mb of ram is reserved by the OS.
Its divided up. Half or a little over half is dedicated to the OS. and the remaining of it is for webtop
They state 1gig because there literally is 1gig of pc memory (which they call it)
So out of the 1GB, about 300mb ish is used by android, leaving 700mb ish available to the phone/user? Or is say 500mb of the remaining 700 reserved for the laptop dock, so the phone can only access/use to run apps etc on 200mb? Sorry for sounding a bit thick, but i'm confused.
Thanks
Ian
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https://market.android.com/details?id=com.electricsheep.asi
it will show what is and what isnt available
Um, i don't actually have the phone yet? just wanted to make sure that if i buy an atrix, it has the full 1gb of ram available for use (Minus operating system needs, so about 700 - 800mb ish?). I don't intend to purchase a laptop dock, or at least not straight away, so i'm hoping the phone can use the full 700+mb remainder for multi tasking, gaming, etc etc
Thanks
Ian
Beaker491 said:
Um, i don't actually have the phone yet? just wanted to make sure that if i buy an atrix, it has the full 1gb of ram available for use (Minus operating system needs, so about 700 - 800mb ish?). I don't intend to purchase a laptop dock, or at least not straight away, so i'm hoping the phone can use the full 700+mb remainder for multi tasking, gaming, etc etc
Thanks
Ian
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you dont honestly need anymore than 700 there will be a mod soon that will allow you to have all of the 1gig
Beaker491 said:
Um, i don't actually have the phone yet? just wanted to make sure that if i buy an atrix, it has the full 1gb of ram available for use (Minus operating system needs, so about 700 - 800mb ish?). I don't intend to purchase a laptop dock, or at least not straight away, so i'm hoping the phone can use the full 700+mb remainder for multi tasking, gaming, etc etc
Thanks
Ian
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System uses 250-350mb. You usually get 550-650Mb free in a fresh restart with no widgets on the launcher. My phone's free memory is usually 350-450Mb and i use a lot of apps, widgets and running services. Phone is always snappy.
There's misleading information stating that half of the phone's memory is reserved for webtop/laptop dock. That's not true
Beaker491 said:
Um, i don't actually have the phone yet? just wanted to make sure that if i buy an atrix, it has the full 1gb of ram available for use (Minus operating system needs, so about 700 - 800mb ish?). I don't intend to purchase a laptop dock, or at least not straight away, so i'm hoping the phone can use the full 700+mb remainder for multi tasking, gaming, etc etc
Thanks
Ian
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Don't get the phone, Wait it out for something better
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Don't get the phone, Wait it out for something better
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If I did that, i'd never buy a new phone, i'd always be waiting for something better..... choices choices
Ian
Beaker491 said:
If I did that, i'd never buy a new phone, i'd always be waiting for something better..... choices choices
Ian
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No doubt. The phone has plenty of memory and plenty of potential.
Buy the sgs2. They already cranked it up to 1.5ghz and its stable. I regret buying this phone. Its gonna be locked down forever.
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The selling point for me, with the Atrix, is the docking capabilities. It seems that Motorola is the only Android manufacturer that understands how important this is. Apple sells a lot of devices because of docking and accessory capability.
This is where Samsung fails for the most part.
I understand that this may not be important to some people, but it is to me. The car dock creates a simple dock solution to play music and use maps from the phone. This is preferable to bluetooth streaming by far. The dock provides audio out via USB so you do not have to plug anything into the phone after docking. The same is true for the HD dock and the Laptop dock. Also, the laptop dock allows you to close the lid and still play music from it's speakers.
The bottom line here is simple. There are pros and cons to every device. There is no single device that can be considered the best for everyone.
Having said that, I have never had a Samsung mobile device that wasn't cheap feeling. The SAMOLED screens are beautiful but they are surrounded by cheap feeling materials. It all comes down to personal opinion.
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you dont honestly need anymore than 700 there will be a mod soon that will allow you to have all of the 1gig
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I know i won't need more than 700, but what i didn't know was if the phone could access the whole of the 700 if it had too (say playing a resource heavy game while having something running in the background - no laptop dock involved), or whether or not the 700 was divided into separate 2 sections - one for phone usage, and one for laptop dock usage? There seems to be conflicting answers when searching.
Thanks
Ian
Beaker491 said:
I know i won't need more than 700, but what i didn't know was if the phone could access the whole of the 700 if it had too (say playing a resource heavy game while having something running in the background - no laptop dock involved), or whether or not the 700 was divided into separate 2 sections - one for phone usage, and one for laptop dock usage? There seems to be conflicting answers when searching.
Thanks
Ian
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There's no such "partition" of RAM. The webtop environment uses the RAM available when needed by does NOT reserve it! Whenever you are not using Webtop, phone will use the amount of RAM available, either 700, 600 or 500Mb or so.
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If I did that, i'd never buy a new phone, i'd always be waiting for something better..... choices choices
Ian
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Haha agreed, there is always gonna be a better one so you gotta settle down eventually.
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Buy the sgs2. They already cranked it up to 1.5ghz and its stable. I regret buying this phone. Its gonna be locked down forever.
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It may be up to 1.5ghz already, but for all its speed, right now it's crap for playing games on (or at least the exynos version is), which is something i shall be doing alot of with my new device. But everybody has different needs from their phone. My No1 need is gaming development and support. Any phone thats got an Nvidia chip in it has a gaming advantage.
Ian
Here's a question for one of the developers if you don't mind? I'm getting ready to buy a laptop, the main use for it will be programming, Rom and kernel building and flashing and everything else that has to do with developing and hacking. Now common sence tells me that any laptop with I don't know 4 gb ram, dual core, will work for that, but honestly I've had to learn by trial and error and really I don't have the finances to afford an error in this case. My question is what specific specs are required on a laptop to be able to do this without going buck wild on the price but without having to wait 2 days for tasks to complete ( < exaggeration xD ) thanks and please if you're going to take the time to reply be specific and as thorough as possible so I have a solid idea on what to look for.
Proverbs 20:7 Be about your word!
I prefer to use desktop... they are cheaper than laptops. But if you want to buy laptop only, then 4 gb ram will do the work in case of android or graphical development. Graphic card can also increase the performance. if you want to do simple programming like in C, C++, Java then 1 gb ram is enough. If you want real cheap, find a dual core pentium processor(old) with less hard disk and small screen size or a cheap netbook. Good Luck.
Hello XDA, I don't often venture out of the branded device forums so here goes nothing.
I have chronic nerve damage in both of my arms (primarily right arm which is my writing hand). I am going back to school this year and the pain seems to be getting worse. The most painful thing for my arm is without a doubt writing, and I am filing for a 504 plan to allow me to use some other method of typing besides writing.
So there's the back story, now here's my question.
I need a device (not necessarily android, but a tablet is one of the main contenders) that can give me a solid writing experience (keyboard or bust, a keyboard cover/accessory will suffice, but NO on screen typing), offer an all day battery life, is portable and easy to store, and can also double as a media device. I am sort of on a budget, but am already in the market for a tablet so I'm willing to spend some extra $ on this. 600$- maybe $800, preferably less obviously.
Note, I probably won't have internet access during school, so DRM is out of the question.
So here are the candidates.
Chromebook - don't know what the stance on DRM is for these nowadays, but I would love a Chromebook as they are cheap, have nice typing experiences, and have great battery life. Again, if anybody can pitch in on DRM for the Chromebook that would be great. All I need for school is a writing supplement so a word editing software will work fine. I'm also aware that you can install Ubuntu on a Chromebook and Ubuntu has the libro office.
Android tablet - I love android, and was very close to buying the new shield tablet a few weeks ago. I'm glad I didn't because that device doesn't have many solid accessories currently, but a device like the nexus 7 probably does. However, the writing programs on android are really lackluster and don't offer the precision of a real laptop
Surface tablet - this one is kind of a long shot, but if for some reason the school requires a windows os (which could be possibly) I would choose this over a standard laptop because it doubles as a tablet.
Cheap windows laptop - this one is self explanatory, a cheap run of the mill windows laptop would type fine, but would be dead useless to me outside of school and I already have a laptop (a Toshiba satellite that is massive and has a terrible battery life) for home. Also the tablet would probably be slow and have a terrible battery... and yeah, windows.
So there you go. Thank you for reading this, this is very important for me right now as starting school again has out me in a tremendous amount of pain from writing, and I would love to find a solid supplement that meats all of my goals.
Thanks,
William
Does anybody here have a keyboard accessory for an android tablet that they could recommend?
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Hi,
I'm sorry I don't have any answer to your question, but since you're on the topic of typing and nerve damage, I thought I'll let you know about the Typematrix keyboards (http://www.typematrix.com/) that offer physical, ergonomic-layout keyboards such as Dvorak, Colemak and BÉPO, which are all designed to ease the pain (and up the speed) of typing. Learning to (touch-)type efficiently takes 4-8 weeks depending on the layout and the keyboards themselves aren't cheap (= in the $100-120 range), but if you value your health, I think it's worth it. Plus, the washable silicon skins are über soft and silent as well ! ^^
(I'm not affiliated with Typematrix in any way, but I give kudos when deserved )
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Hello XDA, I don't often venture out of the branded device forums so here goes nothing.
I have chronic nerve damage in both of my arms (primarily right arm which is my writing hand). I am going back to school this year and the pain seems to be getting worse. The most painful thing for my arm is without a doubt writing, and I am filing for a 504 plan to allow me to use some other method of typing besides writing.
So there's the back story, now here's my question.
I need a device (not necessarily android, but a tablet is one of the main contenders) that can give me a solid writing experience (keyboard or bust, a keyboard cover/accessory will suffice, but NO on screen typing), offer an all day battery life, is portable and easy to store, and can also double as a media device. I am sort of on a budget, but am already in the market for a tablet so I'm willing to spend some extra $ on this. 600$- maybe $800, preferably less obviously.
Note, I probably won't have internet access during school, so DRM is out of the question.
So here are the candidates.
Chromebook - don't know what the stance on DRM is for these nowadays, but I would love a Chromebook as they are cheap, have nice typing experiences, and have great battery life. Again, if anybody can pitch in on DRM for the Chromebook that would be great. All I need for school is a writing supplement so a word editing software will work fine. I'm also aware that you can install Ubuntu on a Chromebook and Ubuntu has the libro office.
Android tablet - I love android, and was very close to buying the new shield tablet a few weeks ago. I'm glad I didn't because that device doesn't have many solid accessories currently, but a device like the nexus 7 probably does. However, the writing programs on android are really lackluster and don't offer the precision of a real laptop
Surface tablet - this one is kind of a long shot, but if for some reason the school requires a windows os (which could be possibly) I would choose this over a standard laptop because it doubles as a tablet.
Cheap windows laptop - this one is self explanatory, a cheap run of the mill windows laptop would type fine, but would be dead useless to me outside of school and I already have a laptop (a Toshiba satellite that is massive and has a terrible battery life) for home. Also the tablet would probably be slow and have a terrible battery... and yeah, windows.
So there you go. Thank you for reading this, this is very important for me right now as starting school again has out me in a tremendous amount of pain from writing, and I would love to find a solid supplement that meats all of my goals.
Thanks,
William
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Hi Dude
i guess there is many options to choose since the market is huge
i would suggest something like this : 10.1 Inch Tablet Pc Intel Atom Baytrail-T Z3735D 1.33Ghz Quad Core DDR3 2GB SSD 32GB Dual Cameras Ultrabook Win8 it comes as a tablet that you can attach to a base (proper qwerty keyboard and stand) 32gb storeage about $400
or this : samsung XE500T1C windows 8 Quad-core is equipped with a keyboard Bluetooth/WIFI *same kind of a deal but 64gb storage and more slick and "known" device about $600
and if you feel that you might need more than that here : Intel Core I5 + 4G DDR3 + 128GB SSD+ Bluetooth+3G * this one is about $730
also since u have one m8 you can have look at the app i use for documents WPS Office: PPT, DOC, XLS, PDF
and here u have a solution in case you would like to get any other tablet SEARCH FOR TABLET CASES WITH KEYBOARD
all these links work but i mainly gave them as examples since you might be able to get them devices locally/cheaper
Hi there,
I want a cheap tablet for my home automation system frontend.
Requirements:
Android
Wifi
up to 120$ (I think that should work)
around 10"
QI-chargeable (e.g. with http://www.tylt.com/images/media/product-images/VU-untitled-18-Edit.jpg) OR dock compatible
Browser running the javascript frontend
apps: weather, tvlistings, etc no special performance needed
Does this exist? What are the china brands to go for? Or is a used one cheaper?
I Initially wanted to mount it on a wall (not fixed) but I think this is a bit more difficult
to QI-charge or plug in. If I put it on a table, I can just use the normal QI stands..
Thanks a lot!
Christoph
I would really recommend you to buy something with more quality so you get something that actually lasts a while. I tried some of those cheap tables and they were pure trash. Could not even keep a simple webpage up and running.
Why do you not buy a older model from one of the more known/popular companies instead? The you could even get something with a guarantee for a few years.
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I would really recommend you to buy something with more quality so you get something that actually lasts a while. I tried some of those cheap tables and they were pure trash. Could not even keep a simple webpage up and running.
Why do you not buy a older model from one of the more known/popular companies instead? The you could even get something with a guarantee for a few years.
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I know some people are using cheap tablets with success so I thought I might give it a try.
But as I've asked above, I could of course also get a used one from ebay, just a bit unsure what exactly to look for.
Just out of curisoity, what kind of home automation solution do you have? Does it have a dedicated app or a pure webbpage the device should display? Would be interesting to get something like that for myself
Uelandir said:
Just out of curisoity, what kind of home automation solution do you have? Does it have a dedicated app or a pure webbpage the device should display? Would be interesting to get something like that for myself
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Since I don't have a KNX bus installation in my house (and don't really need it) I started with http://fhem.de/fhem.html as a server. You can buy dongles for various frequencies so I bought one for Homematic devices and another one for my Somfy blinds.
I made a custom frontend in meteor js and can right now control my thermostates, blinds, cameras and a bit of light. When using FHEM you need a bit of programming, same for openhab which is another popular server supporting different protocols.
There are other, ready-made frontends (more expensive) like Gira, Fibaro or Homee.
I like the idea that you can basically use a raspberry pi running a server, and then just get different modules/usb sticks/dongles for the frequencies of different home automation systems (as there are a lot).
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Since I don't have a KNX bus installation in my house (and don't really need it) I started with http://fhem.de/fhem.html as a server. You can buy dongles for various frequencies so I bought one for Homematic devices and another one for my Somfy blinds.
I made a custom frontend in meteor js and can right now control my thermostates, blinds, cameras and a bit of light. When using FHEM you need a bit of programming, same for openhab which is another popular server supporting different protocols.
There are other, ready-made frontends (more expensive) like Gira, Fibaro or Homee.
I like the idea that you can basically use a raspberry pi running a server, and then just get different modules/usb sticks/dongles for the frequencies of different home automation systems (as there are a lot).
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Interesting! I am looking into something like that myself so always great to get some more ideas on how it can be done.
No problem
So back to topic.. I'm unsure what to look for, I could get a used Galaxy Tab 2 for around 70-90 EUR, or for example a used http://www.efox-shop.com/nextway-q1...-zoll-ips-1280-800-android-41-3gumts-g-290767 for around 90..
Did you ever decide on anything? I have this exact same question. I'm wanting to buy like a cheap $50 tablet and then add qi charging to it. I use AutHomationHD with my Vera Lite system. The plan is to add the Qi charging to the tablet and then embed large magnets inside the tablet so it will stick to the wall but be removable so I can move it between different rooms.
not yet
I didn't find anything yet.. had some other projects as well..
If you find anything, please let me know
Try a pendo pad you could pick a 10" one for about $130 mine lasted a year, otherwise I would stay away from cheap China tablets as they are crap, and they won't last
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Howdy ya'll.
I have a month old Duet 5. The screen broke because its dumbass owner is a clutz.
I'm currently living in Cambodia, and finding a new display at a reasonable price is not as easy as I hoped.
I had originally planned for this to be a mobile consumption device that I would use to remote into a more advanced machine when needed while on the go. *sad trombone*
Anyways, I'm trying to repurpose this as a sedentary device, but finding its limitations are making this nearly impossible. Even though it has a 64 chip, Google saw fit to bestow it with 32 bit CHROMEOS.
I want to use Linux containers, but can't get 64bit. I'm trying to find a tutorial to dump CHROMEOS, and replace it with Linux, but nothing I have found works with the Arm processor.
Should anybody have any knowledge of anything that could help adjust this situation so that it is less calamitous for me, I would forever be in your debt, or at least a beer should you come to Phnom Phen.