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I've yet to find a reason to use this over Launcher Pro...lack of customization, sloppy UI, among other things. What do you like about TW and why?
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I've yet to find a reason to use this over Launcher Pro...lack of customization, sloppy UI, among other things. What do you like about TW and why?
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I liked its simplicity (fat, basic icons on the bottom). I also discover liking having the drawer button on the far right.
I use ZEAM currently, with a 4 application setup and app drawer on the far right. The reason why I switched was because I couldn't set up TouchWiz to have my choice of the default home screen.
Cosmetics for me. I like the looks of it over the other Launchers, that all look too plain in comparison.
Plus, the music player app is the best.
Then again, I'm one of those people that always liked the looks of Windows XP, so my opinion probably doesn't mean much... ;-)
Likely for the reason that the whole world likes Super Mario Bros.
: non-offensive
: visually neutral/appealing to gaze upon
: Dummy/Idiot proof
: simple language such as "edit" "move" "delete" with no need to further pull out the Google Lexicon
: Light/transparent/translucent glass-like feel and look
: Color scheme Frost/Gray/w/shades of green is visually soothing
most of all: the glass/homogenous/smooth/surface mates very well with theme and motif of the phone. For lack of a better word, straight out of the box, T-Wiz seems like it "fits" the phone with the background/launcher/dock and subtle animations/transitions of the stock implementation.
Keep in mind that the first impression one should get before, during, and after one sees, picks up, touches, plays with, utilizes, then subsequently puts down the phone should be an entire experience that is streamlined to appeal to the general consumer and phone user either Android or non-android mobile phone buyer. Also, parallel to the aforementioned is that unlike the XDA group (present company included), the everyday shopper may not want to or know how to mod the Vibrant. As such, Samsung's target audience has been baited and hooked into the whole appeal and presentation of the Vibrant in Stock Tmobile T-Wiz form. Furthermore, without having exposure to alternative roms/themes/mods like we have here, they find the T-Wiz implementation very attractive and pleasing, as did I when I first saw the Vibrant.
So, as much as you may disagree, I can promise that the T-Wiz implementation was one of the first things that drew your attention toward it only to be negated and trampled upon once you found XDA.
I still appreciate T-Wiz as a whole package. As I use individual components of T-Wiz however, I find it cumbersome, laggy, and ultimately unsatisfying. Yet without knowing better (i.e. visiting XDA), one would no be in a position to make comparisons/distinctions between what "can be" rather than "what is." In fact, the general user of Vibrant outside the XDA community only has the T-Wiz to use, so for all we can gather, they are happy campers with it.
So, pertaining to bashing T-Wiz, I can understand, given the array of options that we have here at XDA. But perhaps we are too quickly jaded and woe-begone by the constant changing landscape executed with deliberate speed by our resident developers and developer teams such that we may want to slow down and realize,
1. how many times we've actually *FLASHED* our poor phones.
2. how many times the incessant urge of fickleness pervades the daily passing of time resulting in some *mod* to the phone or some *change* to the settings/ programs/ theme/ or otherwise.
3. how many times we have *Soft Bricked our phones
4. how many times we sign onto XDA for the sake of posterity, despite the fact that we may have an entire desk or naval battle ship's worth of paperwork to get through.
5. how many times we unilaterally and upon our own volition pique our own curiosity to *find what other *accessories (cases, car mounts, desk docks, screen protectors etc. . ) are available NOW (albeit only 10 minutes later than the last time we checked)
6.
7.
8. so on and so forth.
. . . . taking #1-8 into account and expand upon that, the idea that the rest of America who doesn't know or care about XDA are likely very happy with their Vibrants in its T-Mobile/ Out-of-the-box /factory / stock/ bland / watching-paint-dry/ watching-grass-grow/ non-offensive/ drab form and appearance.
Maybe, just maybe, worth thinking about.
I realize, the above is a long-winded answer to your unpalatable and pointless initial post. But hopefully, I did answer it.
Cheers.
After flashing/using many launchers, I just got sick of reconfiguring my setup after each flash. From day one, I was using custom "home" launchers, and just got tired trying to remember all my settings. Once I started using tw it isn't that bad.
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^ You do realize all of these you can BACKUP your settings and it saves them on your internal memory.... wipe/flash a new rom and you can be back EXACTLY as you were in seconds.
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^ You do realize all of these you can BACKUP your settings and it saves them on your internal memory.... wipe/flash a new rom and you can be back EXACTLY as you were in seconds.
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I like wiping everything...back then I didn't care enough to use tb. Even now, I prefer a clean slate.
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Ahh... It was the whole
I just got sick of reconfiguring my setup after each flash
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that got me... I Understand wanting a clean slate.
I don't like TW at all, it looks tacky, and iPhonish.
As far as backing up the settings, Launcher Pro (well at least the paid version) has an option to backup and restore your settings without the need of TB, but IMHO TB in itself is absolutely a must for any Android user, even if you do not want to customize/flash ROM'ss on your phone.
I have not updated my Evo View Tablet to Honeycomb for the unacceptable flaws in its' design. I can't believe more people are not in uproar about this.
I used a View Tablet with the Honeycomb update, and it has some major design flaws, here they are:
-The top 25% of the screen can not be used to place widgets and/or apps
-The white soft-key buttons are disabled (how does it make sense to render a piece of hardware on the device useless? )
-The menu icon on the bottom appears while in certain situations and migrates to the top in other situations
-The notification pull down (or pull up rather) menu is scattered and sloppy.
-The main settings window has a glaring white background , where as on all other android software , it has always been a black background.
the GO-launcher is necessary in order to actually utilize the entire screen, and to ofcoarse customize the grid sizes , icon sizes, resize widgets, but the bottom on-screen buttons end up creating a sort of glitch at the bottom of the screen.
Threads like these have been made before, the most common "gb vs hc". Similar opinions have been expressed there. No need to create a new thread to explain and whine about what has been explained and whined about. Don't like it? Downgrade. Nobody is stopping you.
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Threads like these have been made before, the most common "gb vs hc". Similar opinions have been expressed there. No need to create a new thread to explain and whine about what has been explained and whined about. Don't like it? Downgrade. Nobody is stopping you.
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you can't downgrade , unless you "root" the thing.
Im sorry, i was not aware there was "gb vs hc" threads, i haven't found any on this forum.
You know..there are a few things I want from my tablet not currently offered..
Once the pen functionality gets imported into an ICS rom, no one is even going to care about HC or Gb anyway..
And if they release the code for that we will be able to perfect the fujitsu cheapo version.. too...
Hm.. I really need to set up my comp to contribute to a project. x.x
see , you guys are adept at installing custom roms and "rooting" but for those of that just want to stick with factory default software, we're at mercy to these ridiculous flaws . Luckily , Gingerbread works perfectly , especially in conjunction with GOLauncherEx
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-The white soft-key buttons are disabled (how does it make sense to render a piece of hardware on the device useless? )
-The menu icon on the bottom appears while in certain situations and migrates to the top in other situations
-The main settings window has a glaring white background , where as on all other android software , it has always been a black background.
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While there are some valid points to your criticisms, it's important to recognize that the blame for some of these items doesn't rest with Honeycomb. Where the menu icon appears is dictated within the app itself. It's true that the placement is inconsistent but I think that stems from some apps being optimized for phones (when it's on the bottom) and some being optimized for tablets (when it's on the top right).
While it may be sub-optimal to turn of the soft keys, it's still better than if they had been actual physical buttons, and it was HTC's decision in the first place to release a tablet that doesn't run the tablet OS. I feel that they actually did a decent job dealing with the issue, as I don't notice the soft keys now that they're off. Would I turn them back on, given the option? Maybe - I don't know yet. Would the menu button work consistently in all apps? I don't know that either.
I think some of the issues you have deal with HTC Sense, especially within the Settings. I too hate how the settings look, but the stock Honeycomb Settings (and dialog boxes, etc) are much less offensive.
Snow_fox said:
You know..there are a few things I want from my tablet not currently offered..
Once the pen functionality gets imported into an ICS rom, no one is even going to care about HC or Gb anyway..
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I too am hoping ICS becomes reality on the Flyer/View, but in all fairness it's not going to drastically change the user experience compared to HC. The HC-specific complaints here apply to ICS too.
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I too am hoping ICS becomes reality on the Flyer/View, but in all fairness it's not going to drastically change the user experience compared to HC. The HC-specific complaints here apply to ICS too.
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Except that can active the hardware buttons and remove the onscreen buttons thus offering you more screen space...
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see , you guys are adept at installing custom roms and "rooting" but for those of that just want to stick with factory default software, we're at mercy to these ridiculous flaws . Luckily , Gingerbread works perfectly , especially in conjunction with GOLauncherEx
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If you have the ability to read you have the ability to learn, therefore you have the ability to root.
If you don't want to root/jailbreak your at the mercy of ridiculous flaws no matter what.
Every device has flaws that most people would love to change from the iphone to android to all the windows mobile phones.
If you don't believe me, examine the "jailbreak culture".
Not trying to be mean, but if a device doesn't do what you want and your not willing to do something about it.. then it is hard to take your complaints entirely seriously..
A lot of people here put forth a lot of time and energy fixing the things your complaining about. When your unwilling to read and use their solutions and you complain anyway.. your complaints are likely to be met with some degree of hostility.
The culture of XDA isn't "epinions" or "newegg reviews" it is one of learning, teaching and hands on experience.
I respect the fact that people want different things in their devices, and even request things here.. But, when your not requesting, your not asking if something is possible to work on it yourself.. Your essentially saying "WAH i don't want to put forth the effort to fix something that is possible to be fixed, but I want you guys to listen to me complain anyway!"..
I have learned the hard way that within the more nerdy subculture of modding there is a tendency of "Read, learn, or go find someone who cares".
I like my flyer
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Except that can active the hardware buttons and remove the onscreen buttons thus offering you more screen space...
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TIL - interesting. The thing I keep running into, mentally, with ICS is that it still has two distinct interfaces, one for phones and the other for tablets. While the UI is now more consistent, phone ICS retains the top status bar like GB while tablet ICS is not too different from HC.
Won't any ICS build that ends up on the Flyer/View be tablet-based? If so, it seems that the status bar would always be on the bottom, buttons or not. It will be interesting to see how this develops.
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TIL - interesting. The thing I keep running into, mentally, with ICS is that it still has two distinct interfaces, one for phones and the other for tablets. While the UI is now more consistent, phone ICS retains the top status bar like GB while tablet ICS is not too different from HC.
Won't any ICS build that ends up on the Flyer/View be tablet-based? If so, it seems that the status bar would always be on the bottom, buttons or not. It will be interesting to see how this develops.
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One of the major points of ICS is to provide flexibility to all needed hardware.
Even if tablet based, they will probably account for the buttons.
ICS is essentially HC with a few new features thrown in and the ability to run on smaller screens. They even share most of the same source code. Since ICS is built on top of HC, don't expect drastic changes. Most of what people whine about can already be easily gotten on rooted ROMs and it will continue to be that way with ICS. Rooting gives you the opportunity to have it your way to a greater extent. But you can't have it your way all the way, that only happens at Burger King.
Considering HTC designed tablet HW for the outdated GB OS, its not that bad. Yeah the hard buttons are now a relic of the late 90s, but the Flyer still screams and look pretty darn good with HC.
And since we are on a rant thread. Why the @%## can't we have a thread about important stuff like this from the CES show?
http://www.tomshardware.com/picturestory/584-ces-2012-booth-babe-model.html#xtor=RSS-182
The View with Honeycomb is a true small tablet. With GB it's really a big phone. Some people want a tablet, some want a phone. Your call on what you want. I love HC and would love even more to see ICS. With cypher-rom and dolphin browser, my tablet pulls up web pages just as fast as my girlfriend's transformer prime, which is shocking to me at least. Can't wait till we get an OC kernel for honeycomb on the view.
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The View with Honeycomb is a true small tablet. With GB it's really a big phone. Some people want a tablet, some want a phone.
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This is a great way to describe it. With ICS' flexibility it will be interesting to see if someone makes a ROM with the phone status bar and HW buttons - would be very GB-like!
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I can't believe more people are not in uproar about this.
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If you read around this forum just a little, you would know the these issues have been discussed ad nauseum.
I disagree that HC is a downgrade. Yes there are downsides (and you pointed most of them out, but left off a couple of others such as the reduction in the number of home screens) but there are two major upsides that seal the deal for me:
1) The ability to use the pen in all apps is huge. I've got drawing programs that were simply begging for pen input in GB that suddenly fulfil their full potential in HC. Also, if you ever RDP to a windows worstation, having the pen available for choosing tiny menu items is a vast improvement over having to use your big fat finger.
2) Honeycomb fixes the bug in Gingerbread in which when placed in landscape mode and paired to a bluetooth keyboard the arrow keys do not map correctly. In Honecomb they do, and given the amount of writing I do on my Flyer this, too, is massive.
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This is a great way to describe it. With ICS' flexibility it will be interesting to see if someone makes a ROM with the phone status bar and HW buttons - would be very GB-like!
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That is the number 2 reason I want ICS... Number one is full HW acceleration makes a single core tab feel very dual core (gf has a nexus s with cm9, the difference was astonishing). Actually... Number 2 is the task switching is very webos
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The only two negatives I have since updating are the battery seems to drain faster and I miss the hardware buttons. Other than that I think HoneyComb is better. The internet no longer crashes, use to crash at least twice a day with Gingerbread. Also like being able to better organize the icons on the home screen.
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I like my flyer
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Well said.
10chcar
Snow_fox said:
If you have the ability to read you have the ability to learn, therefore you have the ability to root.
If you don't want to root/jailbreak your at the mercy of ridiculous flaws no matter what.
Every device has flaws that most people would love to change from the iphone to android to all the windows mobile phones.
If you don't believe me, examine the "jailbreak culture".
Not trying to be mean, but if a device doesn't do what you want and your not willing to do something about it.. then it is hard to take your complaints entirely seriously..
A lot of people here put forth a lot of time and energy fixing the things your complaining about. When your unwilling to read and use their solutions and you complain anyway.. your complaints are likely to be met with some degree of hostility.
The culture of XDA isn't "epinions" or "newegg reviews" it is one of learning, teaching and hands on experience.
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This. Well said. I don't mean it in a harsh way either. I was completely phone/computer impaired before I decided I didn't want to wait for voice to text (2.1) on my moto droid. It took about ten minutes to root and flash that phone. Now I'm hooked, and I learned a TON of stuff in the process. If your upset enough to post about it, shouldn't you be motivated enough to spend a few minutes just fixing it yourself
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It makes no sense on a 10-inch tablet.
Frankly, the navbar should be on the side, because that's how you hold it in both portrait and landscape. But at least with the old TabletUI, it was in the corner, which is sort-of to-the-side. Phablet UI on a huge 10-inch tablet just makes no sense to me.
It works just fine for me. Heck, i even used the tablet UI when i had AOKP on it, didn't see the hype, went back to phablet. Same with pie controls.
Everyone likes everything. Any change made is always going to please one and displease another.
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It works just fine for me. Heck, i even used the tablet UI when i had AOKP on it, didn't see the hype, went back to phablet. Same with pie controls.
Everyone likes everything. Any change made is always going to please one and displease another.
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Phablet UI on a huge 10-inch tablet just makes no sense to me.
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They did this to unify the Android experience. I think this was an important step. With KitKat, every app can hide the navbar if need be. I think this is a good compromise, at least in the long run.
(The N10 has this feature too, right?)
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They did this to unify the Android experience. I think this was an important step. With KitKat, every app can hide the navbar if need be. I think this is a good compromise, at least in the long run.
(The N10 has this feature too, right?)
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I hate not havind tablet UI. I find Phablet mode annoying. It is one of the biggest reasons I root and mod, then I can custom my UI the way I like. If google were run with half a brain they would understand the importance of being able to customize the user experience but they have proven their inability to manage responsibility just with their lack of announcements allowing potential customers to plan ahead, so I expect ignorance on a colossal scale when dealing with any sort of reliability or customer service issues when it comes to this giant waste of potential we call Google.
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They did this to unify the Android experience. I think this was an important step. With KitKat, every app can hide the navbar if need be. I think this is a good compromise, at least in the long run.
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It they want to better unify the Android experience I wish they would do it by adding features to the phone (auto rotate quick setting, option to select the channel when using the volume buttons) instead of taking useful things away from the tablet!
In my opinion, the only thing potentially out of place is the nav bar buttons positions. Being in the centre makes it a bit hard to reach if you are holding your tablet with both hands. Which is why I have the ability to reposition the buttons in my custom ROM... other than that, I love the unified UI... I always hated the old tablet UI...
When i had Xoom on 4.1.2 I couldn't wait to get the phablet mode that was introduced in 4.2. When I got it in my hands I really liked it, specially the two notification bars (one for notifications and one for settings). Then I got Nexus 10 and never willed to have the tablet UI back, as I really enjoyed this one. However the only thing that I really disliked in KitKat update was the settings app! I think it's important to unify android now, as we're talking about many devices worldwide, but leave tablet stuff for tablets and phone stuff for phones!
If you don't like the UI you can flash a custom ROM and bring it back I believe.
sad news for many...
A lot of people on a Google+ Paranoid Android thread upset about this.
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I hate not havind tablet UI. I find Phablet mode annoying. It is one of the biggest reasons I root and mod, then I can custom my UI the way I like. If google were run with half a brain they would understand the importance of being able to customize the user experience but they have proven their inability to manage responsibility just with their lack of announcements allowing potential customers to plan ahead, so I expect ignorance on a colossal scale when dealing with any sort of reliability or customer service issues when it comes to this giant waste of potential we call Google.
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I can't agree with much of this. If it was as you say then you would not be able to ever modify anything. The reason you were able to root and do your modifications is because Google does listen and releases source code for android. They could keep it closed. Then people could kiss their Roms goodbye. People that modify, root, and change their phones are still in the minority. Sure if you come here it will seem like everyone does, but in truth we are a small minority. My son is the only person besides myself that I personally know that roots. So what Google is trying to do is create a uniform look and experience. They are trying to get developers to follow the model. Android is still basically new, but has come a long way. If they get enough requests they may bring the feature back. But if not, I am sure it will continue to evolve.
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a heads-up would be respectful...
It's hard to disagree with conan1600's suggestion that some type of changelog prior to upgrades would be extremely helpful.
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I can't agree with much of this. If it was as you say then you would not be able to ever modify anything. The reason you were able to root and do your modifications is because Google does listen and releases source code for android. They could keep it closed. Then people could kiss their Roms goodbye. People that modify, root, and change their phones are still in the minority. Sure if you come here it will seem like everyone does, but in truth we are a small minority. My son is the only person besides myself that I personally know that roots. So what Google is trying to do is create a uniform look and experience. They are trying to get developers to follow the model. Android is still basically new, but has come a long way. If they get enough requests they may bring the feature back. But if not, I am sure it will continue to evolve.
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Simply by taking options away invalidated your beliefs. That I can modify my tablet is not an issue regardles of google. All locked bootloader tablets are eventually broken. But Google makes you do it this way. Add features and make defaults but NEVER take features people like. Also it wouldn't be hard for google to easily say, hey guys we are going to refresh this or that device, or we are not would show common courtesy. Google or most other big brands know nothing of customer appreciation.
Apple and Microsoft frequently remove features when they upgrade. In fact I have seldom seen any Of that doesn't remove something in an upgrade. Sometimes they are added back, but more often than not it never is. There are always people that are upset when this happens but they hope that most are happy with what they have improved or added. Windows does this over and over. There are things I miss also in this version. One is tablet mode. But for me it is not a deal breaker. And yes, unlocking a device allows you to modify the device, but if the Operating System can't be modified like Google allows by providing AOSP then all your tweaks can't happen. Android is to phones like Linux is to PC. Apple and Microsoft do not allow the flexibility. I understand your frustration, we all hate losing things we use. Like I said, I am not real happy about losing tablet mode. I just do not think Google is terrible like you say. I see steady performance improvement and a desire to added useful features. Are they perfect? Hardly, but they are trying.
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Apple and Microsoft frequently remove features when they upgrade. In fact I have seldom seen any Of that doesn't remove something in an upgrade. Sometimes they are added back, but more often than not it never is. There are always people that are upset when this happens but they hope that most are happy with what they have improved or added. Windows does this over and over. There are things I miss also in this version. One is tablet mode. But for me it is not a deal breaker. And yes, unlocking a device allows you to modify the device, but if the Operating System can't be modified like Google allows by providing AOSP then all your tweaks can't happen. Android is to phones like Linux is to PC. Apple and Microsoft do not allow the flexibility. I understand your frustration, we all hate losing things we use. Like I said, I am not real happy about losing tablet mode. I just do not think Google is terrible like you say. I see steady performance improvement and a desire to added useful features. Are they perfect? Hardly, but they are trying.
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I also wanted to add that Google didn't decide what devices get updated. In fact Kitkat was specifically designed so more device could handle updates. It is the carrier/device manufacturer that decides that. Google sends them the updated system then it is up to them to modify source and prepare it for the device. Luckily we have some great ROM makers who are capable of doing this themselves.
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openness...
The Open Source Project was a brilliant business decision which has been hugely successful in accomplishing what Google has referred to as ''our most important goal... widespread adoption of the software....'' They go on to say, ''Openness is vital to the long-term success of a platform, since openness is required to attract investment from developers.... to make sure there would always be an open platform available for carriers, OEMs, and developers to use to make their innovative ideas a reality.''
Has Android succeeded at attracting the creativity of developers? For sure. And I'm glad they have... Android is awesome that way! But let's not forget that Android's openess was born of a business decision, to attract not only developers but end-users as well.
Google: ''We also wanted to make sure there was no central point of failure, so no single industry player could restrict or control the innovations of any other.''
I'd like that to include allowing Paranoid Android to continue using Tablet UI to give us a more tablet-friendly environment... and, for that matter, CM to be free to introduce MultiWindows without facing a dictator's wrath. CM's MultiWindows would be kick-ass on the Nexus 10!
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...Add features and make defaults but NEVER take features people like. Also it wouldn't be hard for google to easily say, hey guys we are going to refresh this or that device, or we are not would show common courtesy. Google or most other big brands know nothing of customer appreciation.
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It's encouraging to see Google emphasize tablet apps more in the Play Store, but discouraging to see them de-emphasize tablets in Android itself... especially when it's a surprise. Google could be a lot more 'open' about what they've done... at the time they release Android updates.
I assume, conan1600, when you talk about Google refreshing devices, you're talking about it's own Nexus brand. I guess that's kind of obvious since this is a Nexus thread. Also, I read you as wanting to hold Google to its own standards of openness, not to the low bar set by Microsoft and Apple.
If I understand you right, it's not enough to say there are worse tyrants... we love Android precisely because it promises freedom from tyranny.
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fredryk said:
It makes no sense on a 10-inch tablet.
Frankly, the navbar should be on the side, because that's how you hold it in both portrait and landscape. But at least with the old TabletUI, it was in the corner, which is sort-of to-the-side. Phablet UI on a huge 10-inch tablet just makes no sense to me.
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I hate not havind tablet UI. I find Phablet mode annoying. It is one of the biggest reasons I root and mod, then I can custom my UI the way I like. If google were run with half a brain they would understand the importance of being able to customize the user experience but they have proven their inability to manage responsibility just with their lack of announcements allowing potential customers to plan ahead, so I expect ignorance on a colossal scale when dealing with any sort of reliability or customer service issues when it comes to this giant waste of potential we call Google.
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I could not agree more.
Found this while searching for tabletui options for the nexus 7.
I guess this is it with android. By moving everything to closed source and removing features like tabletui, Google is showing itself to be just as bad, if not worse than others.
With baytrail win8 tablets landing, I would say this might be a costly mistake for Google.
I love my android phone, but if Google declared war on tablets, then I will leave ... And it looks like I won't be the only one.
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I assume, conan1600, when you talk about Google refreshing devices, you're talking about it's own Nexus brand. I guess that's kind of obvious since this is a Nexus thread. Also, I read you as wanting to hold Google to its own standards of openness, not to the low bar set by Microsoft and Apple.
If I understand you right, it's not enough to say there are worse tyrants... we love Android precisely because it promises freedom from tyranny.
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This goes far beyond simple decisions such as tablet UI. It is the demeanor of Google in taking Tablet UI that does show their direction of thinking though. Android was freedom, it was different than cookie cutter icrap.
Yes I am talking about nexus. It makes no sence whatsoever to refrain from at least making loyal customers aware if they should continue to wait on our chosen favorite devices. However I do not consider this high standards at all but simple common sense. By being so introverted they have driven me and several loyal nexus fans into the arms of others on both the 7 and 10 inch lines. Its not specs or trade secrets we are looking for but simply is there going to be another one or should I look elsewhere. But so many companies have become so large and powerful they dont even care about pissing a few thousand off with rudeness. And then there are the fan boys who defend bad business practices. Secrecy is one thing. Stupidity is another.
I came to android because I felt trapped by Apple and Itunes. As you can see by my sig I like android, and those are just the devices I personally used. This household has 5 times that many devices. Lately though I see Google forcing Google plus on me, i see google messing up youtube comments, I see Google making decisions about a few killobyte lines of code that could easily be defaulted rather than done away with, I see Google being closed mouthed about simple things such as if there will even be a new nexus tablet in a timely manner, and I see Google forgetting why we, the customer, made them great. the first page of a google search is almost entirely adds now. Over all I have been a Google backer, however I find myself pulling away from the monstrosity that I once saw as a bright and more transparent company than Apple or Amazon.
So yes Microsoft is becoming more appealing to me again. At least they had the decency to say, hey we took a butt kicken on surface rt but you can count on us making a surface 2. People knew they would get a refresh and could easily decide if they wanted to wait on it or buy from another company.
I most likely will stay with Android this year but Nexus has lost me simply because of the unreliability of the parent company and its inability to show courtesy. Fortunately other manufacturers of Android tablets are as yet not so crazy.
Another great invention by Matias Duarte?
Like the non rotating portrait UI on the Nexus 7...
I think the guy should really GTFO.
Cholo981 said:
Another great invention by Matias Duarte?
Like the non rotating portrait UI on the Nexus 7...
I think the guy should really GTFO.
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Yes I miss the days of how fast, beautiful, and functional GIngerbread was. Come on man.
Greg Tolan said:
Yes I miss the days of how fast, beautiful, and functional GIngerbread was. Come on man.
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Dude, we are basically coming back to gingerbread, without the tablet UI...
Everything come after ICS in terms of interface, was worst. IMHO.
They wanted the experience to be the same across all of their devices. I personally prefer the tablet UI on a ten inch screen, but whatcha gonna do? Still beats a physical home button!
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Cholo981 said:
Dude, we are basically coming back to gingerbread, without the tablet UI...
Everything come after ICS in terms of interface, was worst. IMHO.
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There have been a lot of what people argue are missteps (these generally being wildly up in the air; even the tablet vs. unified layout debate rages on months later), but a wealth of subtler improvements that take us far and beyond Gingerbread. The comparison is juvenile at best, both at an aesthetic level (Holo has been refined significantly since Ice Cream Sandwich, and the new "Cards" style UI is starting to come into favor) and at a performance level (Project Butter and Project Svelte, among other things).
I have no idea where we are supposed to post in these forums but from previous phone models I've had (and I've had a fair few!) people have been able to make requests of developers or ask how to do things especially to do with further customisation of their phone.
With each new model of phone coming out there is less and less ability for the end user to change the look of their device. I'm not talking about wallpapers and lock screens, I'm talking about changing fonts, colours and icons.
I really miss one of the first phones where I was able to do this through a theme editor- the Nokia N95, heck I even miss being able to flash my 3230! I remember when g-mask was around and I was able to personalise it even further by getting an outer skin applied complete with a couple of swarovski crystals. At least I could tell it was mine, there was no other like it and the mask lasted until my brother inherited the phone and I upgraded which was a few years.
I also miss the emotional connection I had with my HTC Desire HD, turning the crappiest day around with humour by taking photos of family and friends with the warped/mutated/distorted option (unbeknownst to them), showing it to them and watching their facial expression after they make a double take of the image. Some would laugh, some would cry and others would get very angry.
As much as the focus is on the clean simple look of Lollipop on my Samsung S6 Edge, I don't like the fact they've even taken away the option of having stickers to put next to events in S-Planner. So what if people don't use them, doesn't mean you have to take that option away!
At the moment too it seems as though each variant is receiving its own set of options, making it harder for us as a group to help each other and adding confusion. Has this always been the case with Samsung? Thinking back to the Nokia, they were usually manufactured in one place meaning you could flash pretty much same radio for international version despite people being with different carriers.
I can't install custom recovery, yet some of my Aussie counterparts on here can and it all seems very strange and mysterious! In fact this is the first phone I'm scared I might turn into a brick and that's never happened.
Really hoping more developers take interest in the edge as contrary to what I thought, it's not just an elite s6. We can't even use the same firmware or take the same advice given in their forums as it's not applicable.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm not liking that I don't love my phone as much as I have loved some of my other phone's in the distant past..right now it's just a tool and nothing more. I want to love my phone again!
ixnayondahombre said:
I have no idea where we are supposed to post in these forums but from previous phone models I've had (and I've had a fair few!) people have been able to make requests of developers or ask how to do things especially to do with further customisation of their phone.
With each new model of phone coming out there is less and less ability for the end user to change the look of their device. I'm not talking about wallpapers and lock screens, I'm talking about changing fonts, colours and icons.
I really miss one of the first phones where I was able to do this through a theme editor- the Nokia N95, heck I even miss being able to flash my 3230! I remember when g-mask was around and I was able to personalise it even further by getting an outer skin applied complete with a couple of swarovski crystals. At least I could tell it was mine, there was no other like it and the mask lasted until my brother inherited the phone and I upgraded which was a few years.
I also miss the emotional connection I had with my HTC Desire HD, turning the crappiest day around with humour by taking photos of family and friends with the warped/mutated/distorted option (unbeknownst to them), showing it to them and watching their facial expression after they make a double take of the image. Some would laugh, some would cry and others would get very angry.
As much as the focus is on the clean simple look of Lollipop on my Samsung S6 Edge, I don't like the fact they've even taken away the option of having stickers to put next to events in S-Planner. So what if people don't use them, doesn't mean you have to take that option away!
At the moment too it seems as though each variant is receiving its own set of options, making it harder for us as a group to help each other and adding confusion. Has this always been the case with Samsung? Thinking back to the Nokia, they were usually manufactured in one place meaning you could flash pretty much same radio for international version despite people being with different carriers.
I can't install custom recovery, yet some of my Aussie counterparts on here can and it all seems very strange and mysterious! In fact this is the first phone I'm scared I might turn into a brick and that's never happened.
Really hoping more developers take interest in the edge as contrary to what I thought, it's not just an elite s6. We can't even use the same firmware or take the same advice given in their forums as it's not applicable.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm not liking that I don't love my phone as much as I have loved some of my other phone's in the distant past..right now it's just a tool and nothing more. I want to love my phone again!
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Did you know you can flash s6 roms on the edge
ixnayondahombre said:
I have no idea where we are supposed to post in these forums but from previous phone models I've had (and I've had a fair few!) people have been able to make requests of developers or ask how to do things especially to do with further customisation of their phone.
With each new model of phone coming out there is less and less ability for the end user to change the look of their device. I'm not talking about wallpapers and lock screens, I'm talking about changing fonts, colours and icons.
I really miss one of the first phones where I was able to do this through a theme editor- the Nokia N95, heck I even miss being able to flash my 3230! I remember when g-mask was around and I was able to personalise it even further by getting an outer skin applied complete with a couple of swarovski crystals. At least I could tell it was mine, there was no other like it and the mask lasted until my brother inherited the phone and I upgraded which was a few years.
I also miss the emotional connection I had with my HTC Desire HD, turning the crappiest day around with humour by taking photos of family and friends with the warped/mutated/distorted option (unbeknownst to them), showing it to them and watching their facial expression after they make a double take of the image. Some would laugh, some would cry and others would get very angry.
As much as the focus is on the clean simple look of Lollipop on my Samsung S6 Edge, I don't like the fact they've even taken away the option of having stickers to put next to events in S-Planner. So what if people don't use them, doesn't mean you have to take that option away!
At the moment too it seems as though each variant is receiving its own set of options, making it harder for us as a group to help each other and adding confusion. Has this always been the case with Samsung? Thinking back to the Nokia, they were usually manufactured in one place meaning you could flash pretty much same radio for international version despite people being with different carriers.
I can't install custom recovery, yet some of my Aussie counterparts on here can and it all seems very strange and mysterious! In fact this is the first phone I'm scared I might turn into a brick and that's never happened.
Really hoping more developers take interest in the edge as contrary to what I thought, it's not just an elite s6. We can't even use the same firmware or take the same advice given in their forums as it's not applicable.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm not liking that I don't love my phone as much as I have loved some of my other phone's in the distant past..right now it's just a tool and nothing more. I want to love my phone again!
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will read this in the evening again..ATM at work..but you are right..but the old good desire days are gone..sadly..
edit..really miss the old days..but people make it to topic number 1 security holes and together with more and more phones sooner..it makes the situation you feel
jaythenut said:
Did you know you can flash s6 roms on the edge
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I didn't think you could unless you could get custom recovery? Didn't realise you could flash s6 to me either, from what I've been reading everywhere had said do not do it on the edge.
Alex-V said:
will read this in the evening again..ATM at work..but you are right..but the old good desire days are gone..sadly..
edit..really miss the old days..but people make it to topic number 1 security holes and together with more and more phones sooner..it makes the situation you feel
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Indeed Alex-V, unfortunately a phone is only a short term investment now until a new and better one comes along. In my case, each phone with the hope that better happens...only reason I got the edge was for the camera and I was on one of those new phone feeling plans so could keep my s5 but thought s6 edge would be same but improved. Hoping some devs jump on board soon. I'd love to learn how to do all these things myself.
Hello XDA,
I would like to know if any developers out there would like to take on actually creating my project. For the past eight months or so I have been drawing up (mainly on Inkscape) an entirely new rom based on the AOSP on the G3 (the phone's getting older, I know). All I have are some basic drawings and an idea, and I want someone that can actually help make the dream real.
What even is this?
I've named this little project of mine Hevena OS. The name idea simply came from a friend. I've watched as the past few years how android and the mobile world in general has stagnated. Many of the things that I have thought of came from my own frustrations about Android. Also, my first devices that I have ever used were Apple stuff. I've always liked iOS' uniformity, but they never have enough customization. Android is the opposite. It has zero uniformity, but great customization. I attempt here to get the best of both. Take a look through a few of the screenshots I've attached.
Other stuff
I've explained things a bit more and I've also laid out a few more ideas on the website I created for it https://hevenaopensourceproject.github.io/index.html so be sure to look at that as well.
I know tech is a divisive topic, so please keep negativity to yourselves. Remember that I'm just a High School Student who has minimal C++ experience and that all of this was made with a bit of free time and some basic Inkscape skills . Some of the drawings, particularly the older ones, are incomplete as well fyi. But as I said before, any developers would certainly be welcome!
home screen drawing - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6CRMrZYTPnjRjBFWVdtQXNkcG8
dialer UI - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6CRMrZYTPnjTmdpVUh6eHcxSEU
notification screen - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6CRMrZYTPnjb25Nekt1ZnFScDQ
music app - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6CRMrZYTPnjZXdfbU5LY2VZZjA
camera app -https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6CRMrZYTPnjRmo4SVhrSG1HeU0
weather app - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6CRMrZYTPnjTVdDc1hCR2NZYWM
Settings app (incomplete) - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6CRMrZYTPnjcW9yNHVLNUlqZkk