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I have never heard AI camera till I noticed a thread on XDA (https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-10/how-to/ai-camera-technology-makes-photo-t3784973#post76430132). Could anyone tell the difference of these two pictures and how does AI contribute to the photo?
This explains it, I think: https://www.xda-developers.com/honor-10-multi-scene-detection-filters-camera/
The AI camera on the View 10 and the Mate 10 recognised a single scene (from a list of 13 scenes) and optimised the picture for that scene. The AI 2.0 on the P20 series and the Honor 10 is capable of recognising multiple scenes, intelligently segmenting them and applying individual scene optimisations to the picture to all the recognised scenes.
it seem to add saturation, contrast and HDR everywhere, doesn't seem that exciting for people who like realistic photos/colors
PeterMarkoff said:
it seem to add saturation, contrast and HDR everywhere, doesn't seem that exciting for fans of people who like realistic photos/colors
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But very exciting for social sharers
For those that have actually sampled the phone or are using it, have they seen a difference between pictures taken by the Honor 10 and then the Honor 9 or 10 View?
can't compare with other models but images of skin are overprocessed, skin is too smooth and at same time they try to make everything extremely sharp, so you end up missing lot of blurred details of skin, especially pubic hair on face it's blurry as hell
as for AI, I just switched it off, it's taking bad photos, if you take photos of landscape it just oversaturate all colors, especially grass/leaves/sky but even buildings, people in foreground are better. AI also deciding most of the time when detect person in viewfinder that you should use Bokeh/portrait mode and blur everything around, which is kinda stupid, though at least you can later decide to disable this AI and return back to original image
TLDR - too sharp (eyes and other parts), too much contract (hair/eyes making everything darker), too smooth/baby skin missing imperfections/details. as for AI oversaturated mess with only benefit brightening dark parts, not really worth being enabled if you ask me, need to experiment with HDR or Pro mode
These 2 videos make a comparison between AI, HDR and AUTO modes of the Honor 10. It compares it to a Xiaomi Redmi 5 plus and it blows it out of the water, expecially in low light.
Pls, Mi note 10 lite will be update with camera app of Mi10t regarding the long exposure mode moving Crowd, oil painting, neon trails, light painting, starry sky, star trails.
Hello. Can someone reveal the secrets of getting usable photos when shooting in harsh (bright sunny day on the beach) light conditions? I found that Xperia 1 III is handling it pretty bad regardless of my Manual settings in PhotoPro mode. Cameras are just going crazy in these conditions and photos come out underexposed, with weird colours or oversaturated. Other much cheaper phones are doing better job than Xperia in the same conditions.
The automatic mode might be better. Sony's 'pro' modes are silly toys for marketing.
The real pro solution is a reflector, a high power flash, wait for a cloud to soften the light, or only shoot at dusk or dawn.
Other phones with better camera apps will sometimes produce strange artifacts applying HDR on people. It even outs illumination by the white sun, the cyan sky, and all nearby objects reflecting light onto the person. The camera app can only guess how to fix that collage of colors.
With only a cellphone, close-ups with the onboard flash or a soft folding reflector are your best bet.
kevinmcmurtrie said:
The automatic mode might be better. Sony's 'pro' modes are silly toys for marketing.
The real pro solution is a reflector, a high power flash, wait for a cloud to soften the light, or only shoot at dusk or dawn.
Other phones with better camera apps will sometimes produce strange artifacts applying HDR on people. It even outs illumination by the white sun, the cyan sky, and all nearby objects reflecting light onto the person. The camera app can only guess how to fix that collage of colors.
With only a cellphone, close-ups with the onboard flash or a soft folding reflector are your best bet.
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That silly toy pro mode made PRO photographers completely impressed. They said this is the phone that everyone should buy who's into photographing because it's a perfect replacement for your camera, if you don't have it with you, that fits in your pocket. Someone went out with just the Xperia 1 III to see if he can get those shots he used to get with his professional apparatus. And he could! You can shoot incredible photos if you know how to use it. I had no problems so far, I'm not a pro, never was into photographing, but I can make really good shots without any difficulties.
The Xperia 1 III Photo Pro app is toy with a serious looking skin. It doesn't have focus or clipping overlays like the manual modes of other phones. At best, you can digital-zoom in to adjust for the center of the image then zoom back out. Whatever you're trying to photograph is gone before you're done mashing your fingers against its clunky interface. The only worse app is Cinema Pro.
I own an a7R 3. There's absolutely no condition where the Xperia 1 III would be comparable.
Are you sure that you have the HDR on? In the manual mode you can select D-R OFF, DRO AUTO and HDR AUTO
kevinmcmurtrie said:
The Xperia 1 III Photo Pro app is toy with a serious looking skin. It doesn't have focus or clipping overlays like the manual modes of other phones. At best, you can digital-zoom in to adjust for the center of the image then zoom back out. Whatever you're trying to photograph is gone before you're done mashing your fingers against its clunky interface. The only worse app is Cinema Pro.
I own an a7R 3. There's absolutely no condition where the Xperia 1 III would be comparable.
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I think Xperia 1 III can't beat even the very first RX100. It's unfair comparison anyway. Smartphone is not a dedicated camera.
Have always wondered how the moon looks so good every single time with 100x !
Moon mode magic makes the media mad, but many more manipulated megapixels have their merit
- Marques.
Computational photography, it's widely known, Google SuperResZoom it's the same approach. All raw info it's developed in some way in every picture, every camera does. But the phones, does with more strength.
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Computational photography, it's widely known, Google SuperResZoom it's the same approach. All raw info it's developed in some way in every picture, every camera does. But the phones, does with more strength.
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Be fun to give some focus patterns and see what it does...
Let's all be honest here...it's been over a 1 month since the phone was released...how many of us here have taken 28 photos of all faces of the moon? Forget the moon, how many of us here have been using the camera app exclusively more than other apps on the device? Your phone's battery history app should give all the top used apps over the week and possibly the month and I'm sure the camera won't even figure in the top ten for the majority of us. This whole moon photography will wane away after 2 months!
Computational photography has been in the business ever since Pixel 1. Although Google rules this field, over the years almost every android OEM has their own version of computational photography. This is why the same scene looks legitimately different on different phones. And, if anyone argues that iPhone has no computational photography, then they should be shot dead!
Let's all enjoy our devices for it is...controversies will always come and go! The fact is the S23U is a good product out of Samsung's floors in a long time!
The essential part for me is that this can be deactivated (Scene optimizer), so you can benefit of AI but you are not forced to do so...
That a smartphone with its tiny lenses has to rely heavily on computational photography is no real news
And I never understood why this focus on moon shots has developed over the past (aside from the fact that its a readily available test object for high-zoom images) - while its impressive what a smartphone can do its still miles away from "real" moon photos which of course in return require much more equipment to accomplish this....
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... I never understood why this focus on moon shots has developed over the past (aside from the fact that its a readily available test object for high-zoom images) - while its impressive what a smartphone can do its still miles away from "real" moon photos which of course in return require much more equipment to accomplish this....
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A smartphone can take photos of the Moon of that far , that too so clearly!
- This sounds good and echoes well and so is a good selling point maybe.
We can say that some people have ample time in their life and they don't know what to do with that other than make fuss about how good investigating knowledge they possess than anyone else. Anyway, here's a 2 shot of Moon. The warmer times is from Pixel 6 Pro zoom lens from back March 2022. And the right one is from Galaxy S23U zoom lens.
Side note: people should simply enjoy taking pictures and not making fuss about how fake the pictures are. Most of the same professional photographers forget that they use 3rd party tools like Lightroom, Photoshop to make the photos look unrealistic than they actually shot
Here's 100x, on Auto mode, handheld, unedited.
Here's the same photo, a bit of of adjustments on Samsung Gallery App.
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We can say that some people have ample time in their life and they don't know what to do with that other than make fuss about how good investigating knowledge they possess than anyone else...
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Not exactly I would say. A tech reviewer making users aware of what they are getting for their money is a good deed and consumers discussing about it is probably not a fuss. Tech enthusiasts have ample time for it ofcourse.
What makes me laugh is this is well documented, and most youtuber already made video about this on previous samsung and huawei phones....
Not because the s23 is new, that the topic is new....
damn influencers.
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Computational photography, it's widely known, Google SuperResZoom it's the same approach. All raw info it's developed in some way in every picture, every camera does. But the phones, does with more strength.
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S23U turned a rough paper cutout of a Moon picture into a real Moon that iPhone 14 Pro and Google Pixel 7 Pro did not. In RAW terms, it's simply a fake picture of the Moon.
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I don't know where have you been all this time but AI processing on photos have been there since 2019 probably. Didn't you always wondered why google pixel for 3 straight years were taking best photos with same camera sensor? They were way ahead of competition with their AI image processing that's why. That's the answer. Naturally all camera sensors are way to small for taking amazing photos in most scenarios that's where AI magic happens. Every phone does that
Klaudas said:
I don't know where have you been all this time but AI processing on photos have been there since 2019 probably. Didn't you always wondered why google pixel for 3 straight years were taking best photos with same camera sensor? They were way ahead of competition with their AI image processing that's why. That's the answer. Naturally all camera sensors are way to small for taking amazing photos in most scenarios that's where AI magic happens. Every phone does that
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Using a phone I took a picture of a rotten potato and astonishingly it looks like a fresh tomato when I checked.
There's nothing wrong in it and shoutout to the phone because it's Artificial Intelligence doing it.
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Using a phone I took a picture of a rotten potato and astonishingly it looks like a fresh tomato when I checked.
There's nothing wrong in it and shoutout to the phone because it's Artificial Intelligence doing it.
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Does it see faces in the cat litter?
How does it do with faces, the gold standard?
If it can do that NASA technology trick that be cool.
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Using a phone I took a picture of a rotten potato and astonishingly it looks like a fresh tomato when I checked.
There's nothing wrong in it and shoutout to the phone because it's Artificial Intelligence doing it.
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Not sure that's an accurate analogy though, although I understand you're just trying to make a point haha. But I think it may actually be misleading.
That analogy might be good if Samsung's moonshot resulted in an incredibly detailed picture of the sun, AND the actual reality/appearance of the moon was "rotten" (not sure what that would actually look like though haha).
Are there side by side pictures of the moon taken by DSLR cameras compared with Samsung's moonshots?
EDIT: interesting article on this from over 2-years ago when the first Samsung phone (S21 Ultra) was taking such moonshots: https://www.inverse.com/input/revie...hotos-investigation-super-resolution-analysis
I think the issue has been blown out of proportion all due to an idiot on reddit. Everyone knows its AI enhanced. Fake is what Huawei did a few years ago. Samsung has clearly described what it does in its support pages. These so-called YouTubers are half-assed smart talkers. Let's always remember good content & production value on YT does not equate to truth. And dare they say anything against the fruit logo. See them sweet talk their way when Crapple officially introduces such features.
Check out this tweet & his recent timeline from a professional photographer where he exposes all these so called experts:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1635367726570143746
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1635356104795516928
Side note: I took early morning pics of the sun and the AI tried to render a sunspot (see top right in one of the pics below).
A good use of 10X and AI is when we zoom 100x and we can see how it tried to read the license plate of a car which is almost 400 mts away.
linom said:
I think the issue has been blown out of proportion all due to an idiot on reddit. Everyone knows its AI enhanced. Fake is what Huawei did a few years ago. Samsung has clearly described what it does in its support pages. These so-called YouTubers are half-assed smart talkers. Let's always remember good content & production value on YT does not equate to truth. And dare they say anything against the fruit logo. See them sweet talk their way when Crapple officially introduces such features.
Check out this tweet & his recent timeline from a professional photographer where he exposes all these so called experts:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1635367726570143746
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1635356104795516928
Side note: I took early morning pics of the sun and the AI tried to render a sunspot (see top right in one of the pics below).
A good use of 10X and AI is when we zoom 100x and we can see how it tried to read the license plate of a car which is almost 400 mts away.
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I don't think that's a sunspot. It could be the mercury planet. Much more clearly visible here.
sam142000 said:
I don't think that's a sunspot. It could be the mercury planet. Much more clearly visible here. View attachment 5865033
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Yeah it's mercury
Before we leave Moon to explore other celestial objects further away and beyond, I think we should ask another pressing question: is the Moon flat?
It certainly appears that way on all the Samsung Galaxy astronomy pictures.
Some another video of proof that sammy take real moon photos...
Down on the Riverwalk South of Chicago River this morning taking some photos, check out the weird processing on the river!
Isn't Samsung AI wonderful? Try turning off Scene Optimizer.
This
Actually, weird thing, my son was talking photos at the same time and has the same effect on a couple of his photos - he has an iPhone X - so maybe there was some kind of weird reflection going on
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Actually, weird thing, my son was talking photos at the same time and has the same effect on a couple of his photos - he has an iPhone X - so maybe there was some kind of weird reflection going on
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This phones are not like a mirrorless because they use AI, a good test could be as the user suggested before, turning off scene optimizer and take again the picture to see if the issue appear again.
citytrader said:
This phones are not like a mirrorless because they use AI, a good test could be as the user suggested before, turning off scene optimizer and take again the picture to see if the issue appear again.
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As I say, my son has the same weird reflections on photos taken on his iPhone so it's not the Samsung scene optimiser.
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As I say, my son has the same weird reflections on photos taken on his iPhone so it's not the Samsung scene optimiser.
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Lol, Samsung seems to be emulating iPhone and vice versa. So don't think iPhone isn't aggressively mucking with the cam images too during processing.
This is some sort of digital processing induced anomaly rather than something like birefringence I think. Shoot in raw mode to see how deep the trouble goes.
Turn off HDR.
Or maybe it is an optical phenomenon...
also try varying the shutter speed.
Scamsung needs to smarten up quickly, HDR is something from the horror movies.
I was taking a picture of a document today (AFTER the supposed camera update) and HDR transformed the white paper into a grey dull mush...
Harsh sharpening at times, overexposed day pics...I was hoping for all that to change with the new software, but FFS, what DID they change? Focus priority? Super steady video?
How about PICTURE QUALITY???
It looks like the moire effect to me.
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It looks like the moire effect to me.
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There are no interference lines to cause that in this case.
edit, lol apparently there is a huge source for the lines lurking in the background! As per a more recent OP post.
Interestingly I had the same effect happen on an indoor photo after resizing a picture in Microsoft Photo.
Just use GCam and you'll have less headache. As any other OEM, stock camera is garbage.
This was the next photo I took in the sequence, exhibiting some more of the weird effect in the water - maybe it is reflection??
I haven't had that specific type of result but I do get outputs that look more like paintings than photos. The 200mp results are great and usually with the details you would expect from such a large image, but I have been sorely disappointed with the outputs from all other modes (including the RAW supposedly-50mp stuff, where scene optimiser can't be used anyway) - any degree of telephoto use just gives way worse details than I would expect from a modern 10mp camera, with automatic processing (with optimisation off) just blurring swathes of pixels together to give a crude, painted look. Maybe I have been spoiled by my Canon R5's wonderful 45mp sensor!
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This was the next photo I took in the sequence, exhibiting some more of the weird effect in the water - maybe it is reflection??
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I think they are genuine reflections of the grid-pattern building in that particular size of wavelets - quite interesting in fact. Was that in the 200mp setting?
JohnTheFarm3r said:
Just use GCam and you'll have less headache. As any other OEM, stock camera is garbage.
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Apologies, but what is GCam?
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This was the next photo I took in the sequence, exhibiting some more of the weird effect in the water - maybe it is reflection??
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Interesting. Not_Rich may be correct, those maybe be a moire effect caused by the building's reflection on the water. Test without the reflection of the building on the water...
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I think they are genuine reflections of the grid-pattern building in that particular size of wavelets - quite interesting in fact. Was that in the 200mp setting?
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Just the standard 4:3 12mp
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Interesting. Not_Rich may be correct, those maybe be a moire effect caused by the building's reflection on the water. Test without the reflection of the building on the water...
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Yeah, I took quite a few photos along the Riverwalk and they were the only two to exhibit this, same with my son's photos. Really weird, but strangely beautiful effect, almost like a mosaic.
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Scamsung needs to smarten up quickly, HDR is something from the horror movies.
I was taking a picture of a document today (AFTER the supposed camera update) and HDR transformed the white paper into a grey dull mush...
Harsh sharpening at times, overexposed day pics...I was hoping for all that to change with the new software, but FFS, what DID they change? Focus priority? Super steady video?
How about PICTURE QUALITY???
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There also a halo effect around objects when shooting in low light with HDR enabled. This going to be fixed in next months camera Update. So they are aware of HDR issues just didn't fix those in this months update.