90Hz possible? - Xiaomi Poco F1 Questions & Answers

I think that kernel developers should look at this:
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The screen actually works but still a little bit glitchy

wow with in fixes on how it transfers data to screen this will be amazing :good:

This is far away from possible on maybe devices. As stated by some kernel developpers, only a minor portion of poco f1 are able to bear 70 Hz.

It's not Possible,beryllium panels doesn't handle more than 65-70 Hz.

cediedc said:
wow with in fixes on how it transfers data to screen this will be amazing :good:
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No the display cant handle it. The guy who made that video has recompiled the kernel with 90hz in the device tree and because it cant handle it flickers and glitches

buy a oneplus 7 pro and problem solved.

You need to be happy to get any sort of overclock on such a low quality screen at all.
It helps that it's IPS but otherwise, the screen is basically not quick enough to accomodate that sort of bandwidth.
There also is a lot of variety between what poco devices can actually achieve, some screens hate 60+, others take 70 no problem even though they are NVT or tianma which proves that the quality control on these phones was very very very lax, or JUST enough to have 60Hz safely.
There's a chance you might have 75, but 90 is not possible, unless you have the luckiest of the luckiest display but I highly doubt it

It's not worth the decrease of the panel's lifespan.

LogicLost said:
It's not Possible,beryllium panels doesn't handle more than 65-70 Hz.
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My poco f1 is on 71 hz how do 90hz

oziboy said:
You need to be happy to get any sort of overclock on such a low quality screen at all.
It helps that it's IPS but otherwise, the screen is basically not quick enough to accomodate that sort of bandwidth.
There also is a lot of variety between what poco devices can actually achieve, some screens hate 60+, others take 70 no problem even though they are NVT or tianma which proves that the quality control on these phones was very very very lax, or JUST enough to have 60Hz safely.
There's a chance you might have 75, but 90 is not possible, unless you have the luckiest of the luckiest display but I highly doubt it
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Even 72 isn't possible.

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SGSII can take more FPS at 720p, like 60??

Some phones can record slowmo at vga resolution ( usually arround 200fps )
So... SGSII with the super power, i think can do 60fps at 720p? or at WVGA?
Why i'm sayng this? ok if you go to any party, race event, or something similar, isn't the same at 30 fps than at 60fps ( more fluid )
So... its posible?
thanks and forgive my bad english
Regarding wikipedia, it should be possible...
Generally: The less the resolution, the higher the fps (found it in german Wikipedia)
But i guess you'll need an application to do that.
Well, it a bit more complicated than just less resolution means u can have more frames. You have to consider things like cmos line read spead and shutter speed. Then if some1 did an app, it would suffer heavy from rolling shutter, does now, high frame rate would make it worse. I may look at media profiles cause it would be good to see if it can
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Sounds like a good idea. If someone can do this say @ 60fps, maybe we can check if there's some difference. If not much difference, then we can stick to what we have now.
rd_nest said:
Sounds like a good idea. If someone can do this say @ 60fps, maybe we can check if there's some difference. If not much difference, then we can stick to what we have now.
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My cousin have a digital HI-Performance camera, and records at 720 -30/60FPS and 1080p at 30FPS...
And i can say, there is a noticeable diference at 30 than 60 FPS, the video is more fluid, and you can apreciate more details when the camera is in movement, like in a car race.
Soon i will get my SGSII, after reconsidering to get O2X.
I for one would like this too, especially if you could go further down the scale too, something like this;
1080p30 (Default)
720p60
480p120
240p240
Naturally, filming at something ridiculous like 320x240 (yes, yes, it's not 16:9) at 240FPS may not be useful to many, it would still provide some great slow-motion shots
I also fully expect the device to be not capable of shooting at that many frames per second anyway, 120 is pushing it
Like i said previously depends on shutter speed!
The shutter speed on old cameras used to be the amount of time the shutter exposed the film to light, on new DSLR or (Single Lens Reflex) it's the amount of time the mirror locks up and exposes the sensor, for video on a cmos sensor it's the speed at which the sensor is scan-line read. So to do 120fps, it would be not possible if it takes 1/30th of a second for the sensor to be read.
After looking at this a LITTLE, I think most of the crap capability is embedded in the camera firmware. It's possible to change media profiles but they do nothing.
Could be wrong and would like to do an app that can record 60 or 120 or even more, but after looking at this, would need a better dev than I and I would GUESS even then that it isn't likely due to hardware/camera firmware.
i'm happy with my camera performance
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so... for example:
if the SGSII have another 3rd CPU ( secret disabled CPU ) you will not unlock it?
It's working good so isnt necessary...
that's ridiculous...
tomeu0000 said:
so... for example:
if the SGSII have another 3rd CPU ( secret disabled CPU ) you will not unlock it?
It's working good so isnt necessary...
that's ridiculous...
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I didn't make the comment that your referring to, but I do think your analogy is a little off. You kinda says if you had a audi and a ferrari, wouldn't you want to use the ferrari?
But it's actually more like, well we have a ferrari now lets try and tune the hell outta it (with a risk of damage) to get more out of it. Some people just wouldn't want to do that lol.
And yes, a cmos sensor creates heat, and I suspect making it read faster creates more heat. So yeah, possible damage
Personally I still want to look into this when I have some more free time though
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I didn't make the comment that your referring to, but I do think your analogy is a little off. You kinda says if you had a audi and a ferrari, wouldn't you want to use the ferrari?
But it's actually more like, well we have a ferrari now lets try and tune the hell outta it (with a risk of damage) to get more out of it. Some people just wouldn't want to do that lol.
And yes, a cmos sensor creates heat, and I suspect making it read faster creates more heat. So yeah, possible damage
Personally I still want to look into this when I have some more free time though
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Some phones on the market support a loot of features, but that, are disabled by default...
Like the motorola defy, have a FM transsmiter but isn't enabled...
Like the Defy, now have 720P recording, not default WVGA, that isn't dangerous for the phone...
is more dangerous to overclock the CPU, than modify system files... ( ever if u know what are you modifyng )
About 3 years ago I used to have the Samsung INNOV8 (i8510, running on symbian), first one with the wide-angle 8mpx camera ( which i suspect remained exactly the same throughout the chain of models) and there was an integrated option in the camera sw for 120fps video, low-res ofcourse ( TI OMAP 2430 with a 330Mhz CPU )
So if they, indeed, use the same camera unit does that mean it allows that frame capture rate gibberish i can barely understand?
tomeu0000 said:
Some phones on the market support a loot of features, but that, are disabled by default...
Like the motorola defy, have a FM transsmiter but isn't enabled...
Like the Defy, now have 720P recording, not default WVGA, that isn't dangerous for the phone...
is more dangerous to overclock the CPU, than modify system files... ( ever if u know what are you modifyng )
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again were not talking about an extra feature, we are talking about cranking a feature up to beyond what it is at the moment. And YES there are potential risk factors in altering read speeds of a cmos sensor, I know many cmos sensors that have burned due to normal use (manufacturing error, heat) and cranking them up increases the chance of damage.
I think you missunderstand what would need to happen, altering system files is easy, but what is actually going to happen in a hardware sense is that instead of the sensor being read 30 times every second, it would be read 120 times every second. Now, that, due to the increase in electical flow would create more heat, increaseing heat is not always a safe thing to do in electrical components.
Now I'm not saying it cant be done, or that I'm posative that it will damage my phone, I only mean to say that calling a poster ridiculous cause they don't want to take the chance, while citing a dissacosiated anology is perhaps a little wrong.
Also to say that overclocking the CPU is more dangerous is a little off unless you have info on the cmos that I cant find? As if it's rated at 30reads per second and 35 reads at 1 minute would blow it, then no, it's not safer. It's almost EXACTLY like overclocking your cpu
Neways, I'm looking to get some info on the cmos and camera info inside the sgs2 but tis hard to find.
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About 3 years ago I used to have the Samsung INNOV8 (i8510, running on symbian), first one with the wide-angle 8mpx camera ( which i suspect remained exactly the same throughout the chain of models) and there was an integrated option in the camera sw for 120fps video, low-res ofcourse ( TI OMAP 2430 with a 330Mhz CPU )
So if they, indeed, use the same camera unit does that mean it allows that frame capture rate gibberish i can barely understand?
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Would be good if it was, but 3 years? Hmmm
I need to find info on the camera hardware I think
Those who are "content" are on the wrong forums
We're here to push boundaries, find new frontiers.
You're worried that using the camera at 120FPS is going to melt the device? I severely doubt that, you can overclock the I9100 from 1.2 to 1.5GHz and it gets WARM for example, but not hot enough to cause damage.
Accessing a camera at a faster rate won't generate heat, at the end of the day you're just reading the values across the CMOS sensor, it's not having to do complex mathematical calculations so it won't generate much heat, if any at all.
foxdie said:
Those who are "content" are on the wrong forums
We're here to push boundaries, find new frontiers.
You're worried that using the camera at 120FPS is going to melt the device? I severely doubt that, you can overclock the I9100 from 1.2 to 1.5GHz and it gets WARM for example, but not hot enough to cause damage.
Accessing a camera at a faster rate won't generate heat, at the end of the day you're just reading the values across the CMOS sensor, it's not having to do complex mathematical calculations so it won't generate much heat, if any at all.
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Reading CMOS = Electricity = heat Same with any CMOS (less so with CCD)
not sure if this post is still alive, but.
i was looking to do the same , and today i saw SiyahKernel 2.2 beta 6.
http://www.gokhanmoral.com/gm/
which removed 30fps limit.
"increased the fps limit in the camera driver (30 to 120). I hope that the one who sent me a PM about this modification can manage to use it to have better image or video quality."
so technically the hardware will not stop you now to go to 30fps+ in videos.
i tried Lgcamera/lgcamcor from market, since it allows you to select the FPS in the video recording setting (selected 60), BUT it didn't record at that FPS.
i'm guessing that the camera settings will be phone specific.
just wanted to share this , since i'll keep trying/asking around , thought the ppl on this thread might also have some experience in this
Agreed, 60fps would be great idea, as SGS2 has a powerful camcorder for making movies. PLS, anyone have any idea about that??!?!
A bit off topic but download fast burst camera from 4shared, amazingly fast!
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fasburst cameras are a bit pointless imho, better to record video... cause all of these fast burst things all they do is save the on screen preview buffer....

LG V30 Adjust Screen Resolution

Hi,
1st off I love this phone. I am extremely pleased and have zero complaints so far. Buttery smooth too....
My Question is how is it possible that the screen resolution is adjustable? Does the display turn off pixels? Does it merge pixels? Please enlighten me..
Thanks,
Joel
I'm pretty sure it must be 'rooted' first to allow those changes.
old_fart said:
I'm pretty sure it must be 'rooted' first to allow those changes.
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Sorry even though u r pretty sure. This info is wrong. U DON'T need root. Just like samsung graxe ui. On LG V30 u go to display - screen resolution and switch between 720,1080 or qhd+.
But the OP never asked if changing resolution was possible. He most know that we can already change res in the setting. What he is asking is HOW does lowering resolution works.
Im not sure about this but from tv or any pc monitor u can upscale to max reolution of the monitor or downscale to a lower resolution. The pixel are still on but the screen is not push very hard.
Amoled are very power effecient and this has been discuss in the S8 forum for quite sometimes. After all the testing the xda members have been doing it seems that going from QHD down to 1080(full hd +). Doesnt save that much battery (around 5% better battery)
Actually I'm wondering because on a 1080p TV, when you feed it a 720p video, the TV stays 1080p. The video is just enlarged to fit the 1080p display. On the V30 I'm under the impression that the display will actually change. Kinda like having a 3 displays in 1...
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Actually I'm wondering because on a 1080p TV, when you feed it a 720p video, the TV stays 1080p. The video is just enlarged to fit the 1080p display. On the V30 I'm under the impression that the display will actually change. Kinda like having a 3 displays in 1...
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U wont see a smaller screen. The screen will stretch out edge to edge but it will look very blurry if u do 720p. Not so much in 1080p mode. So u can say that the software upcales lower resolution. Just like riptide 2 which u can lower or max res in the setting of the game.
Wait, so the software downscales? You sure? Just Android or all apps too? I don't think so. How could software down scaling effect battery life?
jjcorral said:
Wait, so the software downscales? You sure? Just Android or all apps too? I don't think so. How could software down scaling effect battery life?
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The screen is cap at 60 hz. Let say u are playing a game ( this goes with the ui smoothness aswell). Since the screen is cap at 60hz means that the fps is up to 60fps max/cap At 1080p is you play a game that can reach 80fps(cause is not pushing QHD pixel) the cpu/gpu doesnt have to work has hard. So instead of doing 80fps it only have to do 60fps meaning that cpu/gpu doesnt have to work 100% since is able to maintain easily the frame per second require from the 60hz screen.
This is why the new RAZER phone with 120hz screen can do 120fps.
Now if u increase the screen to qhd (1440p+). The same game with higher resolution the frame rate will be much lower. Now. The game probably is reaching 55fps instead of 80fps max (is an example). The screen is 60hz (60fps). So the cpu/gpu is gonna be working 100%. Much harder cause is trying to reach 60fps but it cant. Which equals more power comsuption, hotter device and also cpu/gpu throlling cause of the heat.

Eye restrain, pwm?

On Notebookcheck the review states that the pwm is bad below 80% brightness and that people who are sensitive could have trouble with this screen. Can anyone conform or deny this?
Spindarella said:
On Notebookcheck the review states that the pwm is bad below 80% brightness and that people who are sensitive could have trouble with this screen. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
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What is pwm?
I keep our three V30 at 70% all the time, because I don't like LG "auto brightness" which is too dim. 70% is plenty bright, and I read on my phone all day long, with no eye strain.
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ChazzMatt said:
What is pwm?
I keep our three V30 at 70% all the time, because I don't like LG "auto brightness" which is too dim. 70% is plenty bright, and I read on my phone all day long, with no eye strain.
Sent via open market LG US998 V30/V30+
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PWM is short for Pulse Width Modulation. "Pulse-Width Modulation, or PWM, is one of the ways display makers can use to adjust the display's brightness. PWM is considered to be an easy (or cost-effective) way to control the brightness, but it has serious drawbacks, such as flicker that may cause eye strain and headaches."
I am sensitive for the flickering because of a muscle disease and not sure if I can order the LG V30. On Notebookcheck it states: "The display backlight flickers at 227 Hz (Likely utilizing PWM) Flickering detected at a brightness setting of 80 % and below. There should be no flickering or PWM above this brightness setting. The frequency of 227 Hz is relatively low, so sensitive users will likely notice flickering and experience eyestrain at the stated brightness setting and below."
But this is the only site who mention it, so I am not sure if it's correct.
You should probably avoid Oled/Amoled screens altogether if your eyes are sensitive - they all flicker at lower brightness. Personally I've had multiple devices with Oled screens and did notice eyestrain in the first times I've used them, perhaps because I never had a monotor with PWM, but it has gone completely now.
Hey, when you're reading German reviews, I think you are from a German speaking country. In Germany, the electronics markets from Saturn and Media Markt both have V30 as usable sample devices in every store I went to. Why don't you check it out
I don't notice flickering or headache when using the device at low brightness, but I'm noticing flickering on CRT Tubes. So yeah, check yourself before you buy
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These screens are not perfect! If you get one that shows issues at 80%, then return it. If you get one that shows issues at 50%, return it! 20% and down doesn't seem to be too bad for some. Personally, I didn't have very good luck getting an H933 but my first H932 was good. Actually better than my H933. Try all white or all grey backgrounds to see how bad the one you get is.
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You should probably avoid Oled/Amoled screens altogether if your eyes are sensitive - they all flicker at lower brightness. Personally I've had multiple devices with Oled screens and did notice eyestrain in the first times I've used them, perhaps because I never had a monotor with PWM, but it has gone completely now.
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A lot of LCD panels use PWM for brightness too. It only becomes a problem when the frequency is very low (to begin with). But maybe I'll go for the HTC u11 plus than. Uses PWM also but in higher frequency.
Hey, when you're reading German reviews, I think you are from a German speaking country. In Germany, the electronics markets from Saturn and Media Markt both have V30 as usable sample devices in every store I went to. Why don't you check it out
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I am from the Netherlands but the reviews are translated in English I can check it out but will order somewhere else. So was hoping for some experience here. Not many sensitive eyes on XDA
These screens are not perfect! If you get one that shows issues at 80%, then return it. If you get one that shows issues at 50%, return it!
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The problem is with my eyes
Spindarella said:
But maybe I'll go for the HTC u11 plus than. Uses PWM also but in higher frequency.
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Dont Pick the HTC U11 plus! Get the V30!
I have head both (and a Pixel 2 xl) and returned all after a week:
I am not a LG Fanboy (actually I'm angry, that they didnt Roll Out the Oreo Update yet) but:
Camera, Design, Feeling, Size, Software,... everything is better in the V30!
The most negative thing on the HTC U11 plus was the absolute dark Screen brightness, even on 100%.
Also ist was very slippery and the beatiful transparent Design was only visible in a certain Viewing Angle.
A lot of LCD panels use PWM for brightness too. It only becomes a problem when the frequency is very low (to begin with). But maybe I'll go for the HTC u11 plus than. Uses PWM also but in higher frequency.
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Yeah, I'm aware, but I haven't heared of people complaining about that on phones. Must be at a high frequency or not used too often at all. I know a lot of monitors used to have PWN with a low frequency but I've used PWM-free ones just to avoid possible eye strain and probably that's why I did experience it for a bit after first using OLED screens.
Dont Pick the HTC U11 plus! Get the V30!
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Well, he's specifically worried about getting the V30 due to the screen...
And I disagree, I've had the U11 (not plus) for a half a year and I prefer my V30 but the U11 definitely had a better camera (much better in low-light) and imo software. It was also faster and had less stutters and framedrops. It was an amazing phone really, so can't go wrong if you're afraid that OLED will give you eye strain.
In reality V30 must have PWM @ 227Hz.
But in reality observers who tested V30 said that their eyes aren't strained from V30 display while they do strain from 1+5T for example
So, best bet for you should be to buy it with moneyback, test for yourself and get money back if your eyes would suffer
With PWM not only frequency does matter but also % of duty cycle
But in reality observers who tested V30 said that their eyes aren't strained from V30 display while they do strain from 1+5T for example
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That's interesting because I watch a local reviewer and he says that his eyes are sensitive so he always mentions eye strain when reviewing phones. He said that the 1+5t screen was great overall but gave him eye strain, while the V30's screen didn't.
I never gave it much thought but I guess it matches your findnings.
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Yeah, I'm aware, but I haven't heared of people complaining about that on phones. Must be at a high frequency or not used too often at all. I know a lot of monitors used to have PWN with a low frequency but I've used PWM-free ones just to avoid possible eye strain and probably that's why I did experience it for a bit after first using OLED screens.
Well, he's specifically worried about getting the V30 due to the screen...
And I disagree, I've had the U11 (not plus) for a half a year and I prefer my V30 but the U11 definitely had a better camera (much better in low-light) and imo software. It was also faster and had less stutters and framedrops. It was an amazing phone really, so can't go wrong if you're afraid that OLED will give you eye strain.
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The U11 plus uses high frequency. There people can get eye restrain below 30% health. The htc 11 doesn;t work with PWM (and has a nicer screeen than the plus).
BTW, he is she
Heard today that the lg g7 gets a M LCD display. Maybe wait for may to see what the new device will bring.
@Billy Madison, I can't watch the video (removed?).
Here it's a bit difficult to buy with moneyback.
I also suffer from headaches from PWM in displays (as well as other screen factors), and seem to be sensitive to certain phones so am also fussy.
From my v30+ testing I have found PWM that I notice, to occur at 41% and lower, so for me this makes the phone usable as I generally set it around 50-100% (or set it at 65% in the morning with auto on).
I have not tried a photodiode/oscilloscope on the display (yet), just pencil swinging, fan, and high speed shutter on camera to verify when the change occurs.
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seems like even though frequency is low but the ampiltude is relatively little also, maybe that is the case

refresh rate?

i noticed that there is no information on the refresh rate of the device.
I feel like one of apples dominance in the writing and drawing aspect comes from the high refresh rate of the display.
I dont think u can reduce the lag that is present in the s4 & s3 by simply add a stronger cpu, without have a display which dont update as fast es your giving it input.
60 hz
EugenStanis said:
60 hz
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well no s6 than for me ...this is a joke
I hope nobody makes the mistake I did. I've had mine for a month now. If the screen refresh is 60hz I'd be surprised. Open any browser and scroll up and down. It has an awful tearing problem with the right side of the screen leading the far left as much as a quarter inch.
Drawing with the stylus, only slightly noticable but not enough to impact what I use it for.
But the scrolling! Samsung must have a great media management team because in maybe 50 reviews I read/watched while researching my purchase, and I took a week to decide, nobody mentioned it.
dgerton said:
I hope nobody makes the mistake I did. I've had mine for a month now. If the screen refresh is 60hz I'd be surprised. Open any browser and scroll up and down. It has an awful tearing problem with the right side of the screen leading the far left as much as a quarter inch.
Drawing with the stylus, only slightly noticable but not enough to impact what I use it for.
But the scrolling! Samsung must have a great media management team because in maybe 50 reviews I read/watched while researching my purchase, and I took a week to decide, nobody mentioned it.
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You mean like a jelly effect ?
Can this be increased to 90 or even 120 Hz with software updates, or is this a limitation of the hardware?

Question Increase brightness with root?

Hello!
Is it possible to increase screen brightness somehow with root?
Have a great day!
Do you want a higher max brightness or more saturated colors?
For a higher saturation i recommend this app: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/dev-app-sa2ration-enhanced-for-improved-screen-colors.4088191/
For higher max brightness the only option was Gravity Box but they removed the feature a while ago...
Ainz_Ooal_Gown said:
For a higher saturation i recommend this app: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/dev-app-sa2ration-enhanced-for-improved-screen-colors.4088191/
For higher max brightness the only option was Gravity Box but they removed the feature a while ago...
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Saturation i think is very good but max brightness could be better.. i have so much better max brightness on my much older Xz premium.
Thank you for your help!
steso90 said:
Saturation i think is very good but max brightness could be better.. i have so much better max brightness on my much older Xz premium.
Thank you for your help!
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XZ premium is LCD IPS, not oled
Evil_Sephiroth said:
XZ premium is LCD IPS, not oled
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Yes I know, can't i wish the same max brightness anyway?
steso90 said:
Yes I know, can't i wish the same max brightness anyway?
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Nope xD different technology. Also pretty much every phone with high thermal and oled display cut down brightness when temperature Is up and this is also why lot of OLED equipped phones doesn't allow high brightness of display, becpuse the eventual reduction will be a mess.
Like dropping fps in a game from 120 to 40 or from 60 to 40. You have still the same lower fps but the drop from higher value will be more noticeable.
Evil_Sephiroth said:
Nope xD different technology. Also pretty much every phone with high thermal and oled display cut down brightness when temperature Is up and this is also why lot of OLED equipped phones doesn't allow high brightness of display, becpuse the eventual reduction will be a mess.
Like dropping fps in a game from 120 to 40 or from 60 to 40. You have still the same lower fps but the drop from higher value will be more noticeable.
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Yeah it's a shame really.
I would sacrifice size of my phone for better thermal. It should be possible to add proper cooling in 2022.
I think some Asus phones have it but I don't know if it makes any difference haha
steso90 said:
Yeah it's a shame really.
I would sacrifice size of my phone for better thermal. It should be possible to add proper cooling in 2022.
I think some Asus phones have it but I don't know if it makes any difference haha
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The 888 Is a mess. Using It with charger connected during game help me with the battery charger exclusion features.
But also my work phone (iPhone 13 pro) cut the brightness in half After 10-15 minutes of gaming.
I know It's really not good looking but the add on fan Razer or other brand do really help. But it's a thing you use only when gaming and not during normal use.

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