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So, I'm feeling a bit stupid for buying the Noot Tablet, and here are my reasons:
I actually bought the Fire first but really didn't like it and the Nook Tablet was much faster so I exchanged it. I figured that the faster device would get more attention from devs and might get an ICS port more quickly.
Now I learned that the KF already has an ICS port on the way and has had some experience with CyanogenMod, and we're stuck with...well...root? I'm very disappointed. Wanted to know if anyone could bring my hopes up a little...lol. I need a pick me up because I'm thinking I was a bit stupid for exchanging. Don't get me wrong, I love the NT, it's a great e-reader, web browser, and Netflix viewer, but that's about all it can do for me.
I should say that I have no idea what goes on in development because of the fact that I'm not a developer and don't aspire to be. I just try and follow instructions and give advice if I can with simple things. I'm sure the guys over there are hard at work getting something going, but I'm just disappointed, that's all.
I wouldn't say "stupid" - I'd say you made a decision based on what felt good to you at the time and on the information that was available to you. At this point, ... Yes, the KF has had a few more hurdles leaped, but the KF really wasn't an option for me.
The lack of SD card expansion was an EPIC failure IMHO. 8GB of total space is something that I couldn't deal with. I prefer the build of the NT over the KF also. It's all a matter of personal preference.
With my NT, I'm currently doing a lot of retro gaming (SNES, Genesis, N64, GBA, PSX, etc), browsing, chat, video streaming (Netflix & Plex FTW), HTPC control via RemoteDroid, light photo editing, & even do some of my real work from job w/ office apps, etc.
From reading the Dev threads, there's a lot of hope and there's a lot of (appreciated) hard work being put in, I figure least I can do is be patient & chill. I knew there was a shot the bootloader was locked before I bought it so I made my purchase based on that fact.
I hope you find happiness in your NT like I found in mine
durel86 said:
I wouldn't say "stupid" - I'd say you made a decision based on what felt good to you at the time and on the information that was available to you. At this point, ... Yes, the KF has had a few more hurdles leaped, but the KF really wasn't an option for me.
The lack of SD card expansion was an EPIC failure IMHO. 8GB of total space is something that I couldn't deal with. I prefer the build of the NT over the KF also. It's all a matter of personal preference.
With my NT, I'm currently doing a lot of retro gaming (SNES, Genesis, N64, GBA, PSX, etc), browsing, chat, video streaming (Netflix & Plex FTW), HTPC control via RemoteDroid, light photo editing, & even do some of my real work from job w/ office apps, etc.
From reading the Dev threads, there's a lot of hope and there's a lot of (appreciated) hard work being put in, I figure least I can do is be patient & chill. I knew there was a shot the bootloader was locked before I bought it so I made my purchase based on that fact.
I hope you find happiness in your NT like I found in mine
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I wouldn't say stupid either. I as well as other developers are hard at work on this. So good call being chill and patient. Think of us all working on this as saving up to buy a really kickass christmas present.
Anyway, yes, we are hard at work, and if you want a mid-end phone hardware device, get a kindle fire. If you want a real mans tablet, get the NT.
Edit: Holy crap! 800th post!
I'm pissed off about the bootloader too. But here's the thing.
You said you didn't like the kindle, and you love your NT.
You list the things that it excels at, and say you love those things. And then say that's all it can give you.
The implication being that somehow having ICS on your tablet will allow you to do more.
It won't ;-). It's still a 7" device with a touchscreen, limited processor, great battery life, and no keyboard or mouse. It's always only going to be good for internet, netflix, reading, some lightweight gaming, etc. Doesn't matter whether it's running ICS or B&N gingerbread.
Think about it this way. Do you use your actual computer for anything different with Windows 7 than you did when you had windows 98? I don't, it's still mostly video games, internets, and word processing etc.
If you love the NT, then just love it ;-). I love mine. The kindle has a super crap screen, no hardware bezel to ease holding it, no hardware "n" button, worse battery, it's not as snappy, etc. Sure I'm not running cm7 or ics which kinda sucks, because they are shiny and i want, but the differences above are way more important to me than having a prettier menu button.
Plus someone is going to get around to getting around the bootloader and we are golden, even if it's later than sooner.
>Was I stupid?
Not were. Are. For asking a bunch of strangers how you should spend your own damn money. Sorry, but we don't do group therapy here. Try this other link,
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx13t.htm
>I need a pick me up
Try bungee jumping. For a real rush, do it without the bungee.
OK fine. In the spirit of the holidays, I officially feel sorry for you.
Group hug for all insecure wimps.
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I don't know why ICS is so alluring.
It'd be nice, in the same sense that anything brand new is exciting and nice... but for me right now... the Nook itself is satisfying that craving.
With root, Go Launcher, Home Catcher, google calendar/market, android market, mx player, and psx4droid... it has become a fantastic device for me to travel with or relax with on the couch while watching TV.
What is ICS even going to give me that I don't already have? Bugs? Lack of network use like the Fire? My Nook is great the way it is.
>I don't know why ICS is so alluring.
I do. It's called tech lust. We all want new stuff, especially the ones that aren't yet available. Once they are, then they're old news and time to lust for the next one.
Same old story for Froy, GB, HC, and now ICS. In 3 months, it'll be JB.
Kind of like seeing a pic of a hot celeb. Then one day you see her on the street without her make-up and it's like HOLY CRAP what happened to half of your face?!
Reality sucks. New toys are best when they aren't real.
AugustusBot said:
I don't know why ICS is so alluring.
It'd be nice, in the same sense that anything brand new is exciting and nice... but for me right now... the Nook itself is satisfying that craving.
With root, Go Launcher, Home Catcher, google calendar/market, android market, mx player, and psx4droid... it has become a fantastic device for me to travel with or relax with on the couch while watching TV.
What is ICS even going to give me that I don't already have? Bugs? Lack of network use like the Fire? My Nook is great the way it is.
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Applications that have tablet interfaces typically only expose those interfaces to honeycomb and ics devices. In addition, ics is built from the ground up for tablets by adding things like software buttons and 360 rotation as well as built-in rotation lock. The application switcher is miles better and only ics fully supports multiple cores and interface acceleration on the gpu.
There are numerous technical reasons to want ics.
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>I don't know why ICS is so alluring.
I do. It's called tech lust. We all want new stuff, especially the ones that aren't yet available. Once they are, then they're old news and time to lust for the next one.
Same old story for Froy, GB, HC, and now ICS. In 3 months, it'll be JB.
Kind of like seeing a pic of a hot celeb. Then one day you see her on the street without her make-up and it's like HOLY CRAP what happened to half of your face?!
Reality sucks. New toys are best when they aren't real.
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You have some disturbing pictures!
ylixir said:
The implication being that somehow having ICS on your tablet will allow you to do more.
It won't ;-).
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This. ICS is getting a lot of hype from geeks who like modifying things, and want the latest and greatest. That's pretty much it. It's still a media tablet that is faster, nicer to use, gets better battery than the direct, current competition. Enjoy it for what it is,. and watch these forums for advances! Did you buy it to watch videos, read, play android games, etc? Yes? Ok then you can still do that. For the tablet focused applications, Honeycomb* is what you want/will be enough/might get updated anyway soon.
I agree with e.mote. Buying the NT wasn't stupid, especially after direct comparisons. Starting a thread asking others to help make up your mind on something and regretting it based on forum hype WAS stupid
*I thought this was just a random rumor on XDA posted by one person but I checked around some and it seems as if a ton of tablets are getting honeycomb updates this winter, and some of it is due to netflix recently adding honeycomb support and redesigning their software specifically to take advantage of features in honeycomb, soo..... it's possible.
zmobie said:
This. ICS is getting a lot of hype from geeks who like modifying things, and want the latest and greatest. That's pretty much it. It's still a media tablet that is faster, nicer to use, gets better battery than the direct, current competition. Enjoy it for what it is,. and watch these forums for advances! Did you buy it to watch videos, read, play android games, etc? Yes? Ok then you can still do that. For the tablet focused applications, Honeycomb* is what you want/will be enough/might get updated anyway soon.
I agree with e.mote. Buying the NT wasn't stupid, especially after direct comparisons. Starting a thread asking others to help make up your mind on something and regretting it based on forum hype WAS stupid
*I thought this was just a random rumor on XDA posted by one person but I checked around some and it seems as if a ton of tablets are getting honeycomb updates this winter, and some of it is due to netflix recently adding honeycomb support and redesigning their software specifically to take advantage of features in honeycomb, soo..... it's possible.
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If they update to HC, we lose root with no real way to root again aside from an unbrickable mod then flashing a new bootloader then finding a software exploit. :|
Nah. I preordered the fire at first but ultimately went for the noot. Once it's rooted, it's a good device(not being able to save files without a microsd card aside).
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If they update to HC, we lose root with no real way to root again aside from an unbrickable mod then flashing a new bootloader then finding a software exploit. :|
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Right, for a while Ideally users here will have advance warning or a way to not automatically update. At worst, likely wait for a way to reroot it. At really worst, sideload the stuff you want (to be honest, I'm happy doing the things I want on it with sideloaded apps - but I'm also not on the new OS now now now bandwagon, and the current tablet runs well for my needs (reading, browsing, video, comics mostly). Like what am I going to want to try doing on a NT? Re-encoding video files? Noooo... (Had a friend doing this on an iPad, trying to see how hot things would get or how bad the battery got. Brilliant.)
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If they update to HC, we lose root with no real way to root again aside from an unbrickable mod then flashing a new bootloader then finding a software exploit. :|
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My blind faith tells me that the current way of blocking updates will work
(btw, this means nothing IRL)
I will rely on that and my faith that you will come up with a way to root my nook after the next update
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57373634-94/putting-the-transformer-prime-in-perspective/
In other words, it's not an issue with the device. Asus thinks it's fine. So it must be an issue with its owners. While he has a "manager" title, Gary must be further up the food chain than it would seem if he's granting interviews to national publications; especially with litigation pending.
No mentioning of bleeding, dead pixels, bright spots
"CNET: You say "the normal user [Wi-Fi] experience" is not adversely impacted by the unibody design. How exactly do you define the "normal user experience"?
GK: Normal user experience is that [the users are] using their tablet, streaming Netflix, or surfing the Web or other activities, and the tablet works. It does not matter if the maximum throughput is 36Mbps or 32Mbps as indicated by a benchmark program. If the user is not impacted and does not know if the tablet is 10 percent slower at 20 feet from their router, then I think the actual user experience is what matters the most."
In the end, Asus is happy with Prime's WIFI performance. So, if you travel as often as I do for work... goodluck being happy with your Prime's WIFI performance.
"But what about GPS? GPS on a tablet is obviously important to certain individuals, but since less than one percent have returned their Primes because of GPS problems, it must either prove, as the evidence supports, that the problem isn't that widespread or that most people just don't care.l"
I agree, most don't care about GPS. I doubt it made much difference in sales either...
However, the #s are skewed considering it didn't factor those who lost all trust in Asus, or simply are scared of RMA. This also ignores "returns" to retail vendors....
"We took the only step possible in this case and removed GPS from the official specifications shortly after the unit went on sale. We apologized for this inconvenience and offered to assist users who wanted to return the unit after the announcement.
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I haven't called their customer service in a while.. but.. does this mean they are now offering FULL refund (including shipping)?? And if so, since when did they start this program??
Ill commend you on this one. I ran out of thanks. Confirmed interview on Cnet. Great interview of Gary Key. He told it like it is. Plus more official confirmation that less than 1% of primes. Plus o want to rub this in Shinzz face. As proof its said firmwares will continue to come out to improve GPS although removed from spec. Overall a great interview on the Prime. We have official numbers from an official tech site. Prime is a success so far. The demand greatly exceeded their expectations and majority of users happy with it. Just like the polls here showed. No disputing anything now. Gary addressed the issues in interview. Then he also gave hard number statistics on return rate for each issue and overall.
SO PRIME IS ACTUALLY DOING VERY WELL RIGHT NOW. Great news to hear. Glad op linked this thread. Issues people experienced here in xda no where near as extensive as people thought...lmfao. take that Barry..lmfao. I love it.
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BarryH_GEG said:
In other words, it's not an issue with the device. Asus thinks it's fine. So it must be an issue with its owners. While he has a "manager" title, Gary must be further up the food chain than it would seem if he's granting interviews to national publications; especially with litigation pending.
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Hahahahahahaha....lmfao whatcha got to say now buddy...like i said before, the numbers don't lie. Less than 1% failure/return rate and issues are not widespread at all. At least they are addressing the issues.
demandarin said:
Ill commend you on this one. I ran out of thanks. Confirmed interview on Cnet. Great interview of Gary Key. He told it like it is. Plus more official confirmation that less than 1% of primes. Plus o want to rub this in Shinzz face. As proof its said firmwares will continue to come out to improve GPS although removed from spec. Overall a great interview on the Prime. We have official numbers from an official tech site. Prime is a success so far. The demand greatly exceeded their expectations and majority of users happy with it. Just like the polls here showed. No disputing anything now. Gary addressed the issues in interview. Then he also gave hard number statistics on return rate for each issue and overall.
SO PRIME IS ACTUALLY DOING VERY WELL RIGHT NOW. Great news to hear. Glad op linked this thread. Issues people experienced here in xda no where near as extensive as people thought...lmfao. take that Barry..lmfao. I love it.
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"Even with the removal of GPS from the feature specifications, we are still working on aGPS optimizations with firmware updates that allow automatic downloading of LTO (Long Term Orbits) information. This can improve GPS lock speed and allow a certain level of functionality from the unit."
aGPS... not as GPS. I really don't care about aGPS. So.. NO.. you aren't seeing GPS firmware update.. but aGPS updates.
I will make sure to bookmark this link..expect me to be bringing it up in any and all debates doubting the Prime. Numbers are numbers. No one here is a statistics genius to doubt these numbers. Like I said before, xda is a grain of sand compared to world wide sales. Plus polls here easily reflect Gary statements.
HATE TO SAY IT BUT......I TOLD YA SO
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shinzz said:
"Even with the removal of GPS from the feature specifications, we are still working on aGPS optimizations with firmware updates that allow automatic downloading of LTO (Long Term Orbits) information. This can improve GPS lock speed and allow a certain level of functionality from the unit."
aGPS... not as GPS. I really don't care about aGPS. So.. NO.. you aren't seeing GPS firmware update.. but aGPS updates.
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Agps, GPS. Tomato tomatoes...whatever...GPS updates..lol
ALSO BARRY, the source was more relevant n important than you thought straight from the horses mouth I tell ya...lmfao
demandarin said:
I will make sure to bookmark this link..expect me to be bringing it up in any and all debates doubting the Prime. Numbers are numbers. No one here is a statistics genius to doubt these numbers. Like I said before, xda is a grain of sand compared to world wide sales. Plus polls here easily reflect Gary statements.
HATE TO SAY IT BUT......I TOLD YA SO
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Agps, GPS. Tomato tomatoes...whatever...GPS updates..lol
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No, it isn't Tomato tomatoes. There's a big difference in aGPS and GPS. Asus launched and advertised PRIME as GPS that's able to navigate.
Also, when Asus releases (if they do) #s with "returns" to retail vendors (because many.. if they were in their return window.. would opt to return to retail vendor instead of RMA) & the overall sale figure... I'll give them more credit.
Also, here's a brief explanation of LTO: http://www.broadcom.com/collateral/tb/LTO-TB100-R.pdf
Basically.. Asus is offering FIRMWARE update to tinker with GPSconfig (that we were able to do in HC & before the patch that basically turned GPS into aGPS).. all you need to do is go online, and collect the data every other day.
Shoot, that article is way too much kool-aide for demandarin to handle, slow down man....you got the whole weekend ahead of you.
Thanks for the link. Nice read.
Quotes from Gary..
We discovered that due to the all-aluminum unibody design structure, the GPS performance was not satisfactory for all users, especially those wanting to use the device as a true GPS and not in aGPS mode. We took the only step possible in this case and removed GPS from the official specifications shortly after the unit went on sale. We apologized for this inconvenience and offered to assist users who wanted to return the unit after the announcement.
Basically saying GPS will never function as a "true GPS" because of its aluminum backplate" All the more reason to MOD it. I have and now it works 100%. Others that do not want to MOD will be SOL.
"The second area of concern with users is the performance of the unit with Wi-Fi and BT enabled at the same time. For a very small minority of users, this combination resulted in signal dropouts or severely degraded wireless performance. We are still investigating the root cause of this problem with returned units, but it appears to be a random manufacturing process issue with properly attaching an antenna"
Hmmmm. This gets me thinking. My prime is moded and i have the antenna running out of the tablet and I still have the Bluetooth/WIFI fallout issue. I thought Broadcom chipset uses same antenna for Wifi / BT. Seems like he is saying this is a hardware issue that is fixed by properly attaching an antenna. Interesting.... My antenna is external and I still have problem.
I love my prime and besides the GPS I have NEVER had an issue. Guess I'm just a fan boy.
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micaman said:
Shoot, that article is way too much kool-aide for demandarin to handle, slow down man....you got the whole weekend ahead of you.
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You right...ill let it simmer in over the holiday weekend. I think they know the deal now. I love what that senior editor said at the end, Transformer Prime, despite the small number of reported issues, IS AN EXCELLENT TABLET. He also said some stuff about GPS I could repeat but I won't go there, YET...lol. I'm sure others will catch what he said n bring it to light. With this article I'm fully loaded and my trigger finger itching very badly. If I take off the safety it'll be a massacre in here. I don't want to see them go out like that. Ill be the bigger man n let them think on this one. Lovin it. I got infinite ammo with this one. Put all rumors or whatever to rest. MAY THE RUMORS R.I.P.
There's a lot to that interview.
I'm upset at the GPS fiasco but I got mine working with little tricks here and there however I would like to have a perm fix to get it working right without having to put my phone on the corner. *IF* anyone in the Houston area has opened their Prime and wouldn't mind opening mine, PM me! would like to test a few other things out.
Short of opening the damn thing or slapping a phone or paperclip over the corner, the only thing we can do is wait for Asus to come up with something. I sent Gary the link to the GPS working with phone thread in hopes maybe a simple addition to the Prime's internals or something would solve (or help solve) the GPS issue. I have 0 Wifi issue or known issue(s). Everything loads in good speed and streams well. 25 or 2.5, do you really notice a difference in Netflix? I currently have only a 4G connection (Clear for ya) where I am. Haven't gone with Comcast (uggg...) or DirectTv/Dish to get my internet connection and everything has been well. We're too involved in the speed where we should be more involved to does it work. I understand there are some that doesn't get any signal where they should and that's another issue Asus has to address but for now, for the most of us (even for those not on this board), it seems to be working just fine/satisfactory.
If we were to pick apart everything we have and want it "perfect", we're going to be arguing all day back and forth from Toyota's auto-accelerating pedal to Mercedes bio-degradable wiring harness to BMW's self-destructing cooling system to "Everything Mitsubishi makes" as to what to expect and what to do about it.
I got mine. it works 90%. I log in less than 8 hours a week on my laptop where it was more of a 24/7 thing for me. When I am on the go, I don't think about packing the laptop anymore; I just grab the Prime and go (sometimes with the keyboard and sometimes w.o) knowing 95% of the things I need/want to do is available.
Nothing is perfect but at least Asus has someone supporting us here. Can't say much for many manufactures out there; some wait for the lawsuit to go front page before doing anything about it.
While this "interview" is heavily weighted in GK's (ASUS's) favour ... (I suspect a good script writeup here), i do respect Garys input on the forums.
I cant remember EVER having a senior member of a company helping with queries etc on any forum i've ever been on before, and i'm very glad to see he's still here despite some of the witch hunt type threads and responses.
There have been teething probs with the prime and i think they are pretty much ironed out now (bar the GPS ...), firmware issues are easily sorted, and people shouldnt be so quick to join a witch hunt, fixes usually come quickly.
Anyway ... I'm a frustraited customer in the UK thats had to wait since december for a prime, I had a champagne but the keyboard dock was faulty, so still waiting on the replacement to come, My only gripe is the availability .. Pre-orders should give enough warning on how many to supply, IMO waiting over a month after launch isnt acceptible to still be waiting, i really hope asus learn from this.
It was a good bit of "Official Info" but I am concerend on a few points:
Gary says:
GK: Normal user experience is that [the users are] using their tablet, streaming Netflix, or surfing the Web or other activities, and the tablet works. It does not matter if the maximum throughput is 36Mbps or 32Mbps as indicated by a benchmark program. If the user is not impacted and does not know if the tablet is 10 percent slower at 20 feet from their router, then I think the actual user experience is what matters the most.
My experienece IS decent, and i agree, that is indeed what counts most, but 36 Mbps or 34 Mbps? I would give my left.. er arm for those kind of numbers. I see HALF thos on a brand spanking new Cisco E4200, tuned every which way from Sunday for the Prime, and my numbers don't drop 10% at distance, they drop 90%... Anyway, just sayin... those numbers ar way ambitious, for me anyway.
The other concern was he outright said: NO new hardware revision. Which is fine. And preferable in terms of supporting whats out there with less confusion. However it DOES open the point up that GARY'S TEAM MEMBER another SUPPORT MANAGER who I will be kind enough not to name, told me exactly the opposite, and specifically that the C1 he tested and sent me had different, revised hardware. Pisses me off to be lied to, no matter WHO is doing it. As I have often said, My Prime experience has beem mostly a positive one, I just sense BS from time to time. If Gary is telling the truth, then his organization is not. How is a person suppossed to feel good when that happens?
BTW, Same "SUPPORT MANAGER" who told me all about my new hardware revision? Said the C1 replacement I was getting would get GPS reception "as good as your TF101 ever did" I was so freaking happy to hear THAT! Too bad it never happenned. Not even in the same class. Sigh...
Final thought: article says this below the pic of location settings: "GPS works well when Wi-Fi can be used to augment its performance." It does? Not that I have ever seen. I think they menat LOCATION aware apps work BETTER when NOT using GPS but other means, cause GPS doesn't see a single satellite with aGPS info in my unit. I need to be OUTSIDE. And anytime I have seen sats it's ONLY with no wifi, out in the car away from home. sigh...
So while I would love to say I got a great feeling form all this "Official" data, I don't feel any better, or worse.... more of the same, sigh...
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Anyway ... I'm a frustraited customer in the UK thats had to wait since december for a prime, I had a champagne but the keyboard dock was faulty, so still waiting on the replacement to come, My only gripe is the availability .. Pre-orders should give enough warning on how many to supply, IMO waiting over a month after launch isnt acceptible to still be waiting, i really hope asus learn from this.
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I guess all the bad docks in the UK didn't add up to much "in percentages" but I personally saw a lot of reports. A shame really, that you had to buy as a pair/return as a pair, and couldn't keep the tablet at least. Hope you get your new baby fast.. Supply is still very constrained to my eye... Amazon in particular, something up with Asus/Amazon... I wonder what?
Its like he said in the interview, the demand for prime greatly exceeded their expectations. Meaning they didn't produce enough units to meet the high demand of the most prized Android tablet. So he said they are going tto aggressively ramp up production to meet demand. All makes sense as anyplace that carries prime is always sold out so fast. Best part of it all, to me, was the confirmation that Prime was not being replaced or discontinued and that they firmly believe in the high quality of Prime. So worries of it not being supported on long run was basically shot down by this interview. So many bits n pieces I'd love to bring up. Ill wait though. I see it scared away some people..lol
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Hahahahahahaha....lmfao whatcha got to say now buddy...like i said before, the numbers don't lie. Less than 1% failure/return rate and issues are not widespread at all. At least they are addressing the issues.
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The "glass half full" people will see this as validation. The "glass half empty" people will see it as propaganda. And this thread will once again be run up to God knows how many pages and stay on the front page for days/weeks. A devices success (or failure) isn't measured in weeks. Let's see how everyone feels a couple of months from now when Asus and other manufacturers have next-gen tablets out for a direct (not theoretical) comparison of both performance and quality. The great thing about forums is that individual posts are archived. So we'll be able to go back and see who was right and who was wrong as we've all proffered our speculations.
P.S. – A 1% failure rate is industry leading and difficult for even premium manufacturers like Sony and Samsung to achieve and maintain. Does this forum feel “industry leading” to you? Does it even feel like other tablet forums? And, if not, why do you think that is?
Knife cuts both ways
"The second area of concern with users is the performance of the unit with Wi-Fi and BT enabled at the same time. For a very small minority of users, this combination resulted in signal dropouts or severely degraded wireless performance. We are still investigating the root cause of this problem with returned units, but it appears to be a random manufacturing process issue with properly attaching an antenna"
So, does this mean that the Pogo pins don't attache well/properly or does it reference the Gap that Erusman found on the antenna PCB? Either way, it's open ended, since they are still out there.
Oh... and as I recall, all the reviewers BEFORE Prime shipped were stating the same conclusion: It's a great a tablet. Duh.
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P.S. – A 1% failure rate is industry leading and difficult for even premium manufacturers like Sony and Samsung to achieve and maintain. Does this forum feel “industry leading” to you? Does it even feel like other tablet forums? And, if not, why do you think that is?
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Good point. Ill have to get back @ you on that one. Been sipping on grandpa's cough medicine(you should know what that saying means)..lol.
I'm a nice guy. I know all of this is hard for you to swallow. Ill show good sportsmanship. Just like a football or basketball game. I'm blowing you out in the score now. If I continue, it'll only make me look bad and arrogant..lol and unnecessary. I'm interested in seeing what others have to say also once they catch wind of this. Which won't take long.
But on one note, Asus products n laptops are known as the most reliable or break down the least. I remember seeing several articles n stats proving that. Can it be actually so hard to believe the issues here not so widespread as we thought? Therefore following that less than 1% failure rate. No one is perfect. We all wrong sometimes. Just cave in now, Barry. Lol. Ill accept the defeat graciously. Never too late to switch. Switch sides now n ill forget all the previous stuff you said
Ah man..all this too funny. I love this forum. Including the trolls n haters.
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As SmartAs$Phone has pointed out, I wonder how Gary came up with:
CNET: You say "the normal user [Wi-Fi] experience" is not adversely impacted by the unibody design. How exactly do you define the "normal user experience"?
GK: Normal user experience is that [the users are] using their tablet, streaming Netflix, or surfing the Web or other activities, and the tablet works. It does not matter if the maximum throughput is 36Mbps or 32Mbps as indicated by a benchmark program. If the user is not impacted and does not know if the tablet is 10 percent slower at 20 feet from their router, then I think the actual user experience is what matters the most."
this is the next evolution in homescreen tech. This is the Chameleon, a UX overlay. Created by the same people who made the Playbook overlay screen. Playbook was a flop but its screen overlay was very impressive and praised alot because it was one of the most interesting features of that device. well now this is coming to Android and might be integrated into future devices also. can't wait to get this app. very clean and slick looking. plus not a pain to set up like Hubs. IMO this is like Hubs taken to the next level. even has face unlock for having different profiles. just like a PC. so your kid or someone else could open it up and have their own profile and be limited to what kinds of things they can access based on what you allow. Looks very promising and coming very soon.
www.androidpit.com/en/android/blog/403395/android-homescreen
CHECK OUT THEIR WEBSITE. GOES INTO DETAIL ABOUT THIS AND HAS GREAT PIX ON IT!
HTTP://chameleon.teknision.com
UPDATE
The creators are trying to get this project off the ground. Deal with manufacturers may not be going as they liked. So they need to raise money to further fund the project. Its for a good cause. details are in the link.
www.kickstarter.com/projects/gaborvida/chameleon-a-better-home-screen-for-your-android-ta
Update #4: The Chameleon Lab
http://chameleon.teknision.com/thelab/
Making sure Chameleon performs well across all Android Tablets can be a challenge, but it is one of our primary goals. So we are taking some steps to help us make the Chameleon experience as close as possible across all Android Tablets.
The Chameleon Labs page will be a site where we post tools to help us collect valuable data, as well as broadly testing specific things we feel could be a concern. We will also post some of the data that we find to keep you all informed.
Today we are introducing a tool to help us gather information about the type of tablet hardware that you guys are running.
Chameleon Hardware Info
In order for us to get a complete picture of the tablet landscape that we are targeting, we are looking for your help. We have created a simple app that gathers the specs of your Android Tablet, and the version of Android itself.
Head over to The Chameleon Labs page to find out more and download the TabletInfo APK.
Note: If you get the error 'Can't open file' you will have to use a file browser. Go to the downloads folder and install the app from there. This is an issue with download managers not being able to open the apk file.
This looks really promising! As always, thanks for your informative post.
Very interesting will have to check it out!!
MRCANNADY said:
This looks really promising! As always, thanks for your informative post.
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This looks very promissing. I wanted to try the hubs, I just dont have the time to set it up. This looks pretty good if it works.
+1..Hubs looks too complicated and/or time consuming to set up, just watching the youtube video instructions made me quit. I would gladly pay for something like this in a heartbeat. I can imagine an Ipad owner sitting across from me watching this in action while they just scroll through enlarged icons. Android for life!!
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would love this on my prime......cant wait.
Wow, just wow!
Wow that is truly amazing! Are you sure this'll be released on the market, instead of being pre-installed on some devices only? I'd easily be willing to shell out around 10-20 bucks for the Chameleon.
fanboys
MRCANNADY said:
+1..Hubs looks too complicated and/or time consuming to set up, just watching the youtube video instructions made me quit. I would gladly pay for something like this in a heartbeat. I can imagine an Ipad owner sitting across from me watching this in action while they just scroll through enlarged icons. Android for life!!
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lol..i just emailed this too a fanboy...haha
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demandarin said:
this is the next evolution in homescreen tech. This is the Chameleon, a UX overlay. Created by the same people who made the Playbook overlay screen. Playbook was a flop but its screen overlay was very impressive and praised alot because it was one of the most interesting features of that device. well now this is coming to Android and might be integrated into future devices also. can't wait to get this app. very clean and slick looking. plus not a pain to set up like Hubs. IMO this is like Hubs taken to the next level. even has face unlock for having different profiles. just like a PC. so your kid or someone else could open it up and have their own profile and be limited to what kinds of things they can access based on what you allow. Looks very promising and coming very soon.
www.androidpit.com/en/android/blog/403395/android-homescreen
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Looks kinda similar too windows 8, but without the gay metro UI
Looks really cool, I will have to keep an eye out for it then
OstiasMoscas said:
Wow that is truly amazing! Are you sure this'll be released on the market, instead of being pre-installed on some devices only? I'd easily be willing to shell out around 10-20 bucks for the Chameleon.
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I really hope it will be. but if this is as good as they describe in the article, then this might go deeper than what an app could provide. might be something that has to be integrated into the framework. Regardless if its integrated into future Android devices, our great developers here should be able to easily integrate it into their roms. or maybe make the Chameleon overlay a flash able zip or something. I really hoping for a simple app install though..lol. we will have to see how this turns out. this could be a game changer for android. I love the hubs look but way too much involved to set it up. this is something that would be implemented easily and not need as much time setting it up. plus it would be slick moving and look better.
this kind of reminds me of that cornerstone multitasking setup. but integrated as a homesceen UI.
they do say though that they want OEM's to support it so essentially it would be like sense or blur as it will be integrated.
Meh. Too colorful.
Sent from my tablet thing with XDA Premium.
It looks amazing, but it doesn't seem to have the same range of customizations as we do now. If we could perhaps trigger the overlay with a Bezel gesture (top down like on the Playbook), then yes, I would be all over that.
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Waiting for this so much! I'm in a homescreen dilemma; can't find anything pretty but this. Hopefully they release it to everyone, not just on one device!
Now THIS is what I'm waiting for. All launchers kinda look all the same, just different widgets.. This is something completely different, and I can't wait to try it out. Will gladly pay good money for this, hope i comes with instructions, or as a stand alone app/launcher..
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chameleon.teknision.com/ Here is the link to their website if anyone is interested.
and sorry, I don't have link permission yet
that **** looks sweet!
Athlon4011 said:
chameleon.teknision.com/ Here is the link to their website if anyone is interested.
and sorry, I don't have link permission yet
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I updated OP with link to their website. website has great looking slides n pix on it. plus goes into great detail what this is all about. checking out the site has made me even more anxious for this. this Chameleon overlay kicks A$$! lol
We've seen a good few authors who started making videos, only to move on to bigger and better things (when they start getting paid, and get the free phones).
I found a Youtuber who makes videos-- specifically, SGH-i717r/x/etc. videos, and lately he's been comparing and contrasting UCLF6 and AOSP ROMs.
He's humble, and give serious credit to the developers.
If you're going to make videos, they should be like this guy.
I thought i'd share because I've been commenting on his videos, and he's replied to every comment, and even responded to video requests from me. I honestly think he's doing this for us.
So check him out, and let him know what Note video you'd like, or which mod/ROM you'd like spotlighted, so he has a large enough sample to give us the videos we want.
I don't know him IRL, have no connection to him sans the 4-5 youtube comments i've made, and hold no commercial or private interest here.
He's just a humble dude who gives credit where due. And that's the type of author we need more of. =D
http://www.youtube.com/user/AndroidTechHeroes
Just checking out the link..His videos are pretty good..I respect when users like this make videos out of there own time to share what we could be expecting out of roms..very usefull...thanks man
Is anyone having this issue?
LG V30 in normal camera mode will show moving bands that will actually capture into your photo.
It happens to all the demo units I saw.
Please see the youtube video
https://youtu.be/m_v4ALKqMik
Tons of people have posted videos made with the phone, in this forum and on YouTube. They don't have those issues.
There's even pro filmmakers who've made videos with this phone.
Isn't that banding just from recording a screen from a camera?
just two quick videos to refute
LG V30 Video Test 1080 60FPS Unedited & No Filters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdZHUsWA9m0
LG V30 Quick 4K Video Test! Unedited & No Filters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txoqbB3-zE0
Plus all the tons of videos in this forum shot with this phone.
Looks like they picked up the refresh rate to me. Using a video camera with a certain rate you can pick up some odd stuff if it's in step with display refresh rates.
20degrees said:
Isn't that banding just from recording a screen from a camera?
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It's not from the video recording.. I can actually see it with my own eyes it does that same.
The phone recorded as the way I seen it.
I just want people to tell me does it happen on the retail unit as this is a demo unit from the store.
Also this only happen under normal camera mode. Does not happen in Wide angle, video,...etc.
I think I need to explain this a little better.
This moving band only happen when the phone it's in normal camera mode. Doesn't happen at home screen other app and does not happen in wide angle camera mode or it's video mode.
I checked with 4 different stores' demo they are all acting the same. I am recording it with my phone. I understand there might be refresh rate issue. However, what the phone is showing is what I am seeing.
I am here just to ask if it does happen to retail units. So whatever youtube video people recorded with the V30 doesn't matter because it only happen in normal camera mode.
ChazzMatt said:
Tons of people have posted videos made with the phone, in this forum and on YouTube. They don't have those issues.
There's even pro filmmakers who've made videos with this phone.
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Just because many users do not have this issue does not mean this member doesn't. Please allow people to respond to the thread if they have issues.
Thanks
KennyG123 said:
Just because many users do not have this issue does not mean this member doesn't. Please allow people to respond to the thread if they have issues.
Thanks
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With all due respect, and I realize I am addressing a mod, he has not shown the problem he claims. He says the bands are being captured IN the photo but he doesn't show any photos. It seems he is making a claim without any proof.
sundoggy said:
Is anyone having this issue?
LG V30 in normal camera mode will show moving bands that will actually capture into your photo.
It happens to all the demo units I saw.
Please see the youtube video
https://youtu.be/m_v4ALKqMik
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sundoggy said:
show moving bands that will actually capture into your photo.
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He's saying in photo mode (what he calls "normal" camera mode) with the f/1.6 lens (not f/2.2 wide angle lens) you can TAKE A PICTURE and these bands will be IN the picture taken? He's specifically claiming "bands that will actually capture into your photo".
Where's the photo to prove it? He further claims he saw this in all the demo units in the store, but again does not show any pictures taken with those demo units.
Whereas here's some photos made by a @keithleger in this forum with the f/1.6 lens camera (not the wide angle lens). He shot all these photos in auto mode below with the the f/1.6 lens. No banding IN the photos. These are pictures taken his first weekend of owning the phone..
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I do understand some users may have problems others do not have. If I am out of bounds for asking for proof of what he claims, I'm sorry.
Also my examples are relevant. He keeps asking if "retail versions" have this issue. So, I am showing him examples of retail versions that have no issues.
sundoggy said:
I just want people to tell me does it happen on the retail unit as this is a demo unit from the store.
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sundoggy said:
Is anyone having this issue?
LG V30 in normal camera mode will show moving bands that will actually capture into your photo.
It happens to all the demo units I saw.
Please see the youtube video
https://youtu.be/m_v4ALKqMik
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Must not happen often. I have not noticed it. Or it is so slight that it is hard to notice unless you look for it. I have posted many photos comparing the v30 to the Note 8 and the v30 to the Pixel XL 2. I did not see anything in those, did you?
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here are quick links to the 2 Google photo albums...one is v30 vs note 8 and the other is v30 vs Pixel XL 2 ... show me the banding in ANY of the V30 photos. Again all of the photos are on auto mode.
v30 vs Pixel XL 2
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=eldxSWxuRlF5b2ZvN09hVFZHVDQ3Q3VUU2RxZUxR
V30 vs Note 8
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=NjVDakZFYVRINWZ6RnB0QXFTNjU0SlhVZ0xYbXRn
keithleger said:
Must not happen often. I have not noticed it. Or it is so slight that it is hard to notice unless you look for it. I have posted many photos comparing the v30 to the Note 8 and the v30 to the Pixel XL 2. I did not see anything in those, did you?
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here are quick links to the 2 Google photo albums...one is v30 vs note 8 and the other is v30 vs Pixel XL 2 ... show me the banding in ANY of the V30 photos. Again all of the photos are on auto mode.
v30 vs Pixel XL 2
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=eldxSWxuRlF5b2ZvN09hVFZHVDQ3Q3VUU2RxZUxR
V30 vs Note 8
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=NjVDakZFYVRINWZ6RnB0QXFTNjU0SlhVZ0xYbXRn
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This is all I want to know. Some one tells me that does not happen to their unit. Unlike some obnoxious person kept asking for a proof from a demo unit in the phone store where this person don't even own V30.
by the way the demo unit model is V300V.
Thank you
sundoggy said:
This is all I want to know. Some one tells me that does not happen to their unit. Unlike some obnoxious person kept asking for a proof from a demo unit in the phone store where this person don't even own V30.
by the way the demo unit model is V300V.
Thank you
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This was exactly the proof I gave, from this same user, in this thread. You would not listen.
Look at the user name I mentioned, look at the pics. That's why he came here, because I mentioned his name.
You're welcome.
We told you there's tons of pictures from users with this phone in this forum and I gave examples. I even described the settings, auto mode with f/1.6 lens.
ChazzMatt said:
This was exactly the proof I gave, from this same user, in this thread. You would not listen.
Look at the user name I mentioned, look at the pics. That's why he came here, because I mentioned his name.
You're welcome.
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Thanks, but no thanks this wasn't your original intention. you could have just forward it, I can ask the person myself about the phone experience instead of a person doesn't have one trying to be little another person where how you want me get more proof from a store demo unit? huh? Steal it?
Jesus...
sundoggy said:
Thanks, but no thanks this wasn't your original intention. you could have just forward it, I can ask the person myself about the phone experience instead of a person doesn't have one trying to be little another person where how you want me get more proof from a store demo unit? huh? Steal it?
Jesus...
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Steal what? I gave examples just like you asked for, pictures taken with retail units.
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sundoggy said:
Thanks, but no thanks this wasn't your original intention. you could have just forward it, I can ask the person myself about the phone experience instead of a person doesn't have one trying to be little another person where how you want me get more proof from a store demo unit? huh? Steal it?
Jesus...
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The proof you should give is to download the output from the demo unit. You claimed ALL the demo units showed this and in my expert opinion, no preproduction units OR retail units have this issue. It would have been noted, believe me. Much less all the demo units in one store,, where bands are captured IN THE PICTURE.
So I showed you the examples you asked for, and you didn't want to hear it.
I thInk you should thank us for answering your question and leave it be.
I gave the exact same proof, from the exact same person.
The demo unit at my local Telus store didn't exhibit this at all.
ern88 said:
The demo unit at my local Telus store didn't exhibit this at all.
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I don't know what to tell you. I check telus, mobile wave, fido they all have it. Maybe something is messing up the frequency.
If this is no problem to people that owns it, I will take it as that.
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Steal what? I gave examples just like you asked for, pictures taken with retail units.
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The proof you should give is to download the output from the demo unit. You claimed ALL the demo units showed this and in my expert opinion, no preproduction units OR retail units have this issue. It would have been noted, believe me. Much less all the demo units in one store,, where bands are captured IN THE PICTURE.
So I showed you the examples you asked for, and you didn't want to hear it.
I thInk you should thank us for answering your question and leave it be.
I gave the exact same proof, from the exact same person.
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Man drop it dude. I don't live in the mall like you okay! Plus I got regular job other than kept messing with store demo units. Believe or not believe I am walking way from talking you.
Cut it out and let the people have it talk.
ChazzMatt said:
This was exactly the proof I gave, from this same user, in this thread. You would not listen.
Look at the user name I mentioned, look at the pics. That's why he came here, because I mentioned his name.
You're welcome.
We told you there's tons of pictures from users with this phone in this forum and I gave examples. I even described the settings, auto mode with f/1.6 lens.
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@ChazzMatt
https://youtu.be/1Q0b_VM7p40
here is the proof you wanted. It's happen with Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL. This was exactly what I saw with the LG v30 demo units. I am guessing LG v30 might be affected as well.
In door lighting causing this. Possible not even usable in some indoor lighting.
https://www.androidcentral.com/pixel-22xl-exhibits-flickering-when-using-camera-under-led-lights
sundoggy said:
@ChazzMatt
https://youtu.be/1Q0b_VM7p40
here is the proof you wanted. It's happen with Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL. This was exactly what I saw with the LG v30 demo units. I am guessing LG v30 might be affected as well.
In door lighting causing this. Possible not even usable in some indoor lighting.
https://www.androidcentral.com/pixel-22xl-exhibits-flickering-when-using-camera-under-led-lights
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Well, not "indoor" lighting but LED lighting. Plus, the Pixels are NOT using the same cameras as the LG V30. And it has NOTHING to do with the LG OLED displays -- because this is captured through the camera sensor. (Just had to say that.)
But if you can prove that's the same issue with the LG V30 camera (either or both of the rear cameras), yes -- that is the proof I was asking for.
Just explain how MANY different cameras (Pixel rear camera, LG V30 f/1.6 camera, maybe also the LG V30 wide angle camera?) all have this and no one has seen it before in all the reviews? It cannot be a "widespread" problem.
It's also not all Pixel cameras, just some. The writer says it doesn't affect his Pixel.
https://www.androidcentral.com/pixel-22xl-exhibits-flickering-when-using-camera-under-led-lights
All LED lights have a natural flicker that ranges from 50 to 60Hz, and it's something that's not perceivable to the human eye. However, certain cameras are capable of picking up this flickering and display it over what you're trying to capture. As fate would have it, the sensor on the Pixel 2 is one such camera.
I personally can't replicate the flickering on my Pixel 2, and according to other users, this is something that's only affecting certain handsets. It's unclear if a software update will be able to fix this, so we'll have to wait and see what the Mothership says.
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I actually do not have any general LED lighting in my home, but yes others do. I do have them in my workplace.
ChazzMatt said:
Well, not "indoor" lighting but LED lighting. Plus, the Pixels are NOT using the same cameras as the LG V30. And it has NOTHING to do with the LG OLED displays -- because this is captured through the camera sensor. (Just had to say that.)
But if you can prove that's the same issue with the LG V30 camera (either or both of the rear cameras), yes -- that is the proof I was asking for.
Just explain how MANY different cameras (Pixel rear camera, LG V30 f/1.6 camera, maybe also the LG V30 wide angle camera?) all have this and no one has seen it before in all the reviews? It cannot be a "widespread" problem.
It's also not all Pixel cameras, just some. The writer says it doesn't affect his Pixel.
https://www.androidcentral.com/pixel-22xl-exhibits-flickering-when-using-camera-under-led-lights
I actually do not have any general LED lighting in my home, but yes others do. I do have them in my workplace.
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Nah. I need not to proof to anybody. I got my answer.