Hello, i am a bit sensitive to amoled pwm flicker on a low brightness. How bad is it on the Mi A3 screen? Is there a workaround (e.g. DC dimming) for that issue? I hope that device's screen would be suitable for reading.
Sorry, what is pwm
google it bro, a method to control screen brightness via pulse-width modulation
Reading on this screen is like stabbing with hot wire in your eye. No joking. Does this screen have PWM? I thought the eye strain comes from the low resolution + pentile matrix.
Dont buy this phone, I have massive eye strain since I bought it. My eyes are red in the evening and itching.
I own 2 Samsung amoled tablets, zero eye strain after reading all night long. With this Mi A3, eye problems start the minute I use it.
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Reading on this screen is like stabbing with hot wire in your eye. No joking. Does this screen have PWM? I thought the eye strain comes from the low resolution + pentile matrix.
Dont buy this phone, I have massive eye strain since I bought it. My eyes are red in the evening and itching.
I own 2 Samsung amoled tablets, zero eye strain after reading all night long. With this Mi A3, eye problems start the minute I use it.
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Do you notice the eye strain with brightness at 100%?
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Do you notice the eye strain with brightness at 100%?
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I don't know, the eye strain is accumulative I think, you get some tolerance after I while, but when you overdo it, then it gets triggered even after 10 seconds of looking at that phone. Now my eyes are so messed up, that I'am not touching that phone again, only when I receive a call. This phone has to go away ASAP, and I was so satisfied with my MI A1, that I did not except this from Xiaomi.
Maybe Xiaomi will do a software update like they did for the Mi9.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaomi-has-ditched-PWM-on-the-Mi-9.417484.0.html
In the reviews it was not mentioned to be PWM. This should be always specified.
It is a Samsung screen.
peterf81 said:
Reading on this screen is like stabbing with hot wire in your eye. No joking. Does this screen have PWM? I thought the eye strain comes from the low resolution + pentile matrix.
Dont buy this phone, I have massive eye strain since I bought it. My eyes are red in the evening and itching.
I own 2 Samsung amoled tablets, zero eye strain after reading all night long. With this Mi A3, eye problems start the minute I use it.
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Let's hope with Android 10 they switch to DC.
peterf81 said:
I don't know, the eye strain is accumulative I think, you get some tolerance after I while, but when you overdo it, then it gets triggered even after 10 seconds of looking at that phone. Now my eyes are so messed up, that I'am not touching that phone again, only when I receive a call. This phone has to go away ASAP, and I was so satisfied with my MI A1, that I did not except this from Xiaomi.
Maybe Xiaomi will do a software update like they did for the Mi9.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaomi-has-ditched-PWM-on-the-Mi-9.417484.0.html
In the reviews it was not mentioned to be PWM. This should be always specified.
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PWM is widely used as it retains color accuracy with lower brightness. Even some mid-high end Samsung LCD TVs use it. DC switching is more tricky, I don't think that Xiaomi will do any major change for Mi Ax line (just see the screwed up fastboot for example - they did not fix it for years and even managed to cripple it further).
I am extremely sensitive to flickering, but I do not see anything wrong with A3 related to flicker. 720 pentile matrix is another story
☡☡☡???I have to warn you of this device, my eye is now in pain and swollen. I am not joking. This sh1t can make you literally blind!!! Wtf are they selling to us. I can imagine some poor bstrd who buys this crap and develops eye problems.???☡☡☡
I borrowed it to another person, after 5 minuted of use she had sore and watery eyes, stabbing like pain. If you are a sensitive person beware ☠☠☠
Drama much?
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☡☡☡???I have to warn you of this device, my eye is now in pain and swollen. I am not joking. This sh1t can make you literally blind!!! Wtf are they selling to us. I can imagine some poor bstrd who buys this crap and develops eye problems.???☡☡☡
I borrowed it to another person, after 5 minuted of use she had sore and watery eyes, stabbing like pain. If you are a sensitive person beware
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Drama much?
peterf81 said:
☡☡☡I have to warn you of this device, my eye is now in pain and swollen. I am not joking. This sh1t can make you literally blind!!! Wtf are they selling to us. I can imagine some poor bstrd who buys this crap and develops eye problems.???☡☡☡
I borrowed it to another person, after 5 minuted of use she had sore and watery eyes, stabbing like pain. If you are a sensitive person beware
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Nope, I am tolerant to all kind of bullsh1t, but what's too much is too much ... this can really damage your eyes. And all the reviews were like "yeah display is bad, but give this device at least chance". Yes, I gave it a chance, and now it is my turn to report my experience. But I really could give a **** about reporting experience, but I want to WARN pple with sensitive eyes, because a dangerous line has been crossed here.
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Then return your phone and stop whining.
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Drama much?
Nope, I am tolerant to all kind of bullsh1t, but what's too much is too much ... this can really damage your eyes. And all the review were like "yeah display is bad bud give this device at least chance". Yes, I gave it a chance, and now it is my turn to report my experience. But I really could give a **** about reporting experience, but I want to WARN pple with sensitive eyes, because a dangerous line has been crossed here.
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Then return your phone and stop whining.
This is not about my phone, I will deal with that. This is about saving someone's vision, avoiding health problems with eyes. I guarantee you soon other ppl will report similiar experience.
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I̶'̶m̶ ̶9̶9̶%̶ ̶s̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶b̶l̶e̶m̶s̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶d̶o̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶P̶W̶M̶.̶ Actually it might the PWM (see post #19 to fix it) Also you might be more sensitive to lower contrast/less sharp edges. Try to increase the brightness and use "dark theme" whenever available. They are easier on eyes. "High contrast" option in accessibility settings might be helpful as well. And last but not least, get your vision professionally checked, you may have more serious underlying problem which is "only" being exposed by this phone's screen.
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I'm 99% sure that your problems have nothing to do with the PWM. I suspect that you are more sensitive to lower contrast/less sharp edges. Try to increase the brightness and use "dark theme" whenever available. They are easier on eyes. "High contrast" option in accessibility settings might be helpful as well. And last but not least, get your vision professionally checked, you may have more serious underlying problem which is "only" being exposed by this phone's screen.
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I'd ask him to go see a therapist as well, honestly. Seems like he has more than just vision issues.
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I'd ask him to go see a therapist as well, honestly. Seems like he has more than just vision issues.
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I didn't mean it as an insult, I am serious. Healthy eyes (or with right corrective glasses) should not have such serious problems with low res screens. HD vs FHD difference is certainly visible and small details (tiny text) can be harder or even impossible to read on HD, but for "normally" sized text it should be more or less equal. HD AMOLED resembles paper ink with less sharp contours, so it's mostly a matter of "getting used to" than a real problem. This being said, I still wish it had FHD AMOLED
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I didn't mean it as an insult, I am serious. Healthy eyes (or with right corrective glasses) should not have such serious problems with low res screens. HD vs FHD difference is certainly visible and small details (tiny text) can be harder or even impossible to read on HD, but for "normally" sized text it should be more or less equal. HD AMOLED resembles paper ink with less sharp contours, so it's mostly a matter of "getting used to" than a real problem. This being said, I still wish it had FHD AMOLED
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I for one meant it because he's on every thread whining and moaning about it. It's getting annoying at this point.
Btw. those who believe that they are sensitive to PWM of A3 (every person has different threshold) - try using the device at 100% brightness for a while. At 100% there is no PWM involved.
This might be helpful as well, not only for Mi A3, but many other AMOLED phones https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.js.oledsaver
Edit: this app definitely works, no flickering and you can dim your screen to basically any level you want. Highly recommended! Just set all the permissions, "basic physical brightness" to a safe value of 255 and you are good to go.
Its been 1 month and i don't have any eye strain, don't don't really do extensive reading on my phone but ya i do read stuff on it like articles, so not that big of a issue for me
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i have the photon , but i really dont like the screen quality (sharpness and color wise)compared to my old epic. not trying to troll here, just to ask if anyone think it can be fixed with a software update or is it a hardware issue?
The general consensus is that's just how the phone is. However some lucky people don't seem to notice screens quality (or lack thereof).
Welcome to the PenTile display.
Just the way it is. For best results, try to hold the phone far away.
I think it's actually a pretty cool technology.
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Welcome to the PenTile display.
Just the way it is. For best results, try to hold the phone far away.
I think it's actually a pretty cool technology.
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can you please share with me whats so cool about this technology? thanks
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i have the photon , but i really dont like the screen quality (sharpness and color wise)compared to my old epic. not trying to troll here, just to ask if anyone think it can be fixed with a software update or is it a hardware issue?
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Coming from the Epic, who's Super AMOLED screen also uses a pentile subpixel arrangement also mind you, you shouldn't really be noticing a sharpness difference between them. But yes, any and literally all LCDs do look duller and more muted than the Super AMOLED. It's just a nature of the technology.
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can you please share with me whats so cool about this technology? thanks
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Well, I can say that, due to it's white subpixels, it is a brighter display that is much more viewable in sunlight. It is also much better on toast.
Wilty
I watch videos all the time on my phone and I don't like it. It is too grainy, the color is off, too much sharpness, black is too dark and any hint of light in the scene and its too bright. HD quality videos look pretty good but lower resolution videos just look bad.
I see the problem in dark scenes where there is very little light you can't differentiate any objects in the dark area. Its all a blur. In the same scene the face has little light on it but it will be over satuated. Its like someone is shining a flashlight in his face. If any of you watch Showtime's Dexter you will see what I mean as the show has a lot of scenes in dark warehouses.
Yes I think they can make it better with software. They can turn down the sharpness. They can allow a little light to be on during dark scene rather then let it be all black (total absence of light). They can try different color temperature because right now all the human skin looks too red to me. They can dial down the intensity of white on lighted scenes.
Just got home with my Photon, which I bought primarily because it's a world phone and specs looked pretty good. Gotta agree with OP, the display is piss poor. Just might return it for something else. Kinda mad I turned in my EVO. Overall I played $99. We'll see...sigh.
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Just got home with my Photon, which I bought primarily because it's a world phone and specs looked pretty good. Gotta agree with OP, the display is piss poor. Just might return it for something else. Kinda mad I turned in my EVO. Overall I played $99. We'll see...sigh.
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First thing you need to do is turn the brightness all the way down and turn off the auto brightness too. The screen will look much better.
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can you please share with me whats so cool about this technology? thanks
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Jump over here and do some reading:
http://pentileblog.com/
One thing that is kind of cool, is that the CEO actually replied to (and blogged about) an AndroidForums thread discussing the P4G screen. Spend some time reading that thread for even greater detail about the merits of the Pentile screen.
Granted, it's the CEO of Pentile, so obviously they have a bit of a bias... but she also offers fascinating technical insight behind the technology as well.
I'm very happy with the screen myself, very easy to read in sunlight especially but very bright in general (which i like). The colors were "different" compared to the evo and evo 3d I had prior but after a few hours, I started noticing more color and details in apps that I hadn't ever seen before. I feel it looks much better overall vs the evo and evo 3d. Yes, I do see the checkerboard when the display is off if I look at the right angle but I dont notice it when the screen is on.
This phone has so many pluses, and the screen is one of them to me.
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I'm very happy with the screen myself, very easy to read in sunlight especially but very bright in general (which i like). The colors were "different" compared to the evo and evo 3d I had prior but after a few hours, I started noticing more color and details in apps that I hadn't ever seen before. I feel it looks much better overall vs the evo and evo 3d. Yes, I do see the checkerboard when the display is off if I look at the right angle but I dont notice it when the screen is on.
This phone has so many pluses, and the screen is one of them to me.
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You are seriously making me think that something is wrong with my phone, man. Cuz if what I'm seeing on mine is consistent throughout, there's no way a person can think it looks good. Some of the pictures look like they are in 8-bit. I'm really disappointed.
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You are seriously making me think that something is wrong with my phone, man. Cuz if what I'm seeing on mine is consistent throughout, there's no way a person can think it looks good. Some of the pictures look like they are in 8-bit. I'm really disappointed.
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Yeah, i'd maybe compare it to the store display if possible because I think mine looks excellent, and the display in my local stores looks really good too. I usually keep my display cranked up pretty high, and it has much better blacks and white levels then i ever had on my evo or evo 3d.
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Yeah, i'd maybe compare it to the store display if possible because I think mine looks excellent, and the display in my local stores looks really good too. I usually keep my display cranked up pretty high, and it has much better blacks and white levels then i ever had on my evo or evo 3d.
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I played some Netflix movies and they looked really bad to a point where I'm like Motorola couldn't have released a multi-media phone with such piss poor video and picture quality. I'm taking back the phone tomorrow to switch it out.
Here's another question. I put in my sdcard from my EVO and none of the pictures fill the screen. I noticed the same thing on the carousel view in the FB integration. The pictures don't fill the screen. Any ideas?
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Here's another question. I put in my sdcard from my EVO and none of the pictures fill the screen. I noticed the same thing on the carousel view in the FB integration. The pictures don't fill the screen. Any ideas?
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How does it look if you use a different Gallery app like QuickPic?
I, for one like the screen. There is no "burn in" like the galaxy s phones and the Nexus S. I can see the pixel separation, but it doesn't bother me a bit. Maybe you guys need to quit making out with your screens.
I'm not looking for fantastic. I'm coming from the EVO which, even though washed out compared to a Super Amoled, looked fine to me. The problem appears that in areas of high contrast or in shadows, the blacks are too black so picture actually looks blotchy. Believe me when I tell you I'm not the overly picky type. But image quality is definitely a step down compared to my Evo.
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Jump over here and do some reading:
http://pentileblog.com/
Granted, it's the CEO of Pentile, so obviously they have a bit of a bias... but she also offers fascinating technical insight behind the technology as well.
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Nice explanation of PenTile. I also have no issues with the display and think it is quite good in comparison to my E4G. I wonder if the different perceptions are due to astigmatism. Last year I got lens implants that corrected most of my astigmatism (some remaining, but not much). Maybe people with a lot of uncorrected astigmatism are more sensitive to the display? Maybe it's the opposite and astigmatism makes the effect harder to see and I have just enough astigmatism left to make it not noticeable?
I thought the display was fine, and while I could see the screen door effect, only really noticed it while looking for it.
Then I installed a game where blue was a predominant color used in the background, Wisp Lite, currently featured on the Android Market. Anyone would immediately notice the screen door effect on the background, it was so obvious.
Mulling if this matters enough for me to consider returning it.
Hey guys, as we know, the very first batch of any device likely will have some flaws. Hopefully this won't happen to the nexus 10. Anyway, Im a very picky consumer so I have to ensure my device is perfect. So I will list some of the things we need to check when the item arrives. feel free to give tips etc..
1/ Check the screen to see there are any dead pixels/ discolored area/ uneven white screen/ yellow or pink spots
2/ Light bleed
3/ any scratch on the body
4/Buttons are all good.
5/ Speakers
All I can think of so far..
also would want to check if the cameras, radios, ports, battery and other such components work properly, along with checking along the seams of the tablet to make sure it is solidly put together.
Microscope... check EVERY pixel.
I also have a few questions. It has to deal with the snap on cover if anyone got those (if they are out). When you unfold the cover does the screen light up like the iPad does with its smart cover. And also can the cover be used as a stand or does it just fall over? And how bad is the lag on Chrome compared to anyone who has used Safari on an iPad. Thanks. I'm hoping to switch from my ipad to the nexus 10!
Add couple more
1. Check GPS
2. Pixel check can be done with https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ossibussoftware.deadpixeltest&hl=en
Will Google even replaces screens with a couple dead pixels?
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duarian said:
Will Google even replaces screens with a couple dead pixels?
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Well in my case they'd be replacing the screen whether they intended to or not. If I had to, I'd just order a new one, then send the old one back in its place and say I changed my mind. And that just if they didn't want to exchange a clearly defective product. Up to them, but either way I'm going to make it right for myself in the end :good:
With 2560x1600 x3 sub-pixels (=12.288.000 pixels) you will very likely not get a sample without a single defective sub-pixel. Doesn't really matter either, a stuck sub-pixel at 300 DPI resolution is so small that it will be hard to find even if you "know" where it is.
My tab 10.1 and GS3 first batch were flawless. I expect a pretty close to perfect initial batch here as well. This isn't Asus or HTC.
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My tab 10.1 and GS3 first batch were flawless. I expect a pretty close to perfect initial batch here as well. This isn't Asus or HTC.
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Bam !
Good point !
Samsung has an excellent track record!
Nothing is for sure but every samsung product ive ever had has been perfect!
From my Note 2
It's not only about the company behind the product, it's also about math/probability.
Hint: Try counting the sub-pixels on the Galaxy 10.1 or S3 and compare to the N10.
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My tab 10.1 and GS3 first batch were flawless. I expect a pretty close to perfect initial batch here as well. This isn't Asus or HTC.
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not really...I guess it's a matter of luck. I bought my S3 in june and after 3 replacements, I got the satisfying one.
One thing concerns me the most is the screen. It's true that it's hard to get a screen without any dead pixels considering the huge amount of pixels. well, I really hope this won't happen since if I ever find out just one single dead pixel, it would turn me off really bad even if I normally can't see it. But you know, it is there... haha
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not really...I guess it's a matter of luck. I bought my S3 in june and after 3 replacements, I got the satisfying one.
One thing concerns me the most is the screen. It's true that it's hard to get a screen without any dead pixels considering the huge amount of pixels. well, I really hope this won't happen since if I ever find out just one single dead pixel, it would turn me off really bad even if I normally can't see it. But you know, it is there... haha
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I forgot to include the legendary GS2 as another first batch flawless device. It might be about luck sometimes but generally you can deduce when it is safe to buy a first batch.
I use two methods that I feel pretty good about.
One, like I said, my GS2, tab 10.1, and GS3 were all flawless first batches for me. I realize that using just myself as a sample size is pretty shady statistically but if you look at the posts of complaints of the GS3 in May/June, they are far less than most devices.
Two, we know for a fact that Samsung is not only a manufacturer, but one of the if not the best manufacturer. Sure HTC and Apple are moving away from them, but it is not because of the quality. People trust their factories and manufacturing processes so unless the Nexus 10 uses some fancy new manufacturing process, Samsung already has the wisdom and experience and chances are, they won't need to make many changes to the manufacturing process like others might.
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It's not only about the company behind the product, it's also about math/probability.
Hint: Try counting the sub-pixels on the Galaxy 10.1 or S3 and compare to the N10.
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I'm not so sure we should expect the majority of units to have dead pixels. I deal a lot with high resolution 2560x1600 computer monitors and very rarely do I encounter dead/stuck pixels. You're right that they would be harder to notice because of the high pixel density, but I'll use pixel checker and send it back if there's an issue. Just because it's a smaller screen doesn't mathematically necessitate pixel issues. The 13in retina macbook pro has almost the same pixel density and of the few I've tested, none have any pixel issues.
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I'm not so sure we should expect the majority of units to have dead pixels. I deal a lot with high resolution 2560x1600 computer monitors and very rarely do I encounter dead/stuck pixels. You're right that they would be harder to notice because of the high pixel density, but I'll use pixel checker and send it back if there's an issue. Just because it's a smaller screen doesn't mathematically necessitate pixel issues. The 13in retina macbook pro has almost the same pixel density and of the few I've tested, none have any pixel issues.
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Are you really spending maybe 15-30 minutes (if that's enough) to check each display in a dark room with dark-adapted eyes?
I'm asking that because as an example my Nexus 7 has 1 stuck blue sub-pixel almost smack in the middle of the screen, I know where it is and I still need about 10-20 seconds in a dark room with a (mostly) black screen to find it again - in daylight it's just plainly impossible to locate it. On a Retina/N10/WQXGA display this will be even harder.
It's my personal opinion that a lot of the people posting here how their displays are perfect with zero errors just never see any of their stuck/dark sub-pixels. They're really that hard to find unless you have bad luck and get a completely broken pixel or a cluster of broken sub-pixels in close proximity.
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Are you really spending maybe 15-30 minutes (if that's enough) to check each display in a dark room with dark-adapted eyes?
I'm asking that because as an example my Nexus 7 has 1 stuck blue sub-pixel almost smack in the middle of the screen, I know where it is and I still need about 10-20 seconds in a dark room with a (mostly) black screen to find it again - in daylight it's just plainly impossible to locate it. On a Retina/N10/WQXGA display this will be even harder.
It's my personal opinion that a lot of the people posting here how their displays are perfect with zero errors just never see any of their stuck/dark sub-pixels. They're really that hard to find unless you have bad luck and get a completely broken pixel or a cluster of broken sub-pixels in close proximity.
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first thing I do is go to my closet and turn the brightness all the way up... lol I can not live with dead pixels..
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first thing I do is go to my closet and turn the brightness all the way up... lol I can not live with dead pixels..
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Whatever brings more happiness into your live ...
My personal view on sub-pixel errors is: if I have to search for them to see them ... I don't really care about them.
A full stuck/dark pixel (or anything that catches the eye) is a reason to send the device back though, no doubt about that.
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first thing I do is go to my closet and turn the brightness all the way up... lol I can not live with dead pixels..
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I thought I was a bit wierd doing this to test for Light Bleed! lol I feel slightly better now!
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first thing I do is go to my closet and turn the brightness all the way up... lol I can not live with dead pixels..
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I tend to do that anyway for light bleed... That's my worry. My Nexus 7 has pretty bad light bleed, and i'm okay with that because it's a cheap tablet, but I won't be happy if the Nexus 10 has bleed like that one. I can deal with a minor amount around the edges, but it's really annoying if it extends to the center of the screen, etc.
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With 2560x1600 x3 sub-pixels (=12.288.000 pixels) you will very likely not get a sample without a single defective sub-pixel. Doesn't really matter either, a stuck sub-pixel at 300 DPI resolution is so small that it will be hard to find even if you "know" where it is.
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Not really true. My monitor is 2560x1440 and I promise you, there are no dead pixels. Granted it's 27", and the Nexus is only 10", it may be a little harder to see, but throw up solid color backgrounds and you will probably see it.
Check this out, I'm not saying its a cure all but it helps
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Under what settings?
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Under what settings?
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Accessibility
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Accessibility
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You can manually adjust it. [emoji1] Nice find.
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You can manually adjust it. [emoji1] Nice find.
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Glad you like
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Check this out, I'm not saying its a cure all but it helps
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Thanks. But where do we put it to get close to 6500k ±500. I say ± 500 because some like a slightly cooler screen and some prefer it warmer, and warmer is actually more natural and accurate. I've played around with it a few minutes and the 9000K is just too cool. Comfort view on medium without using this is closest I've gotten to a desired (actually more desirable, but still not ideal) color temp. Every body chime in where they're putting the circle cursor that they gives close to 6500k or thereabouts.
For those who don't know what comfort view is
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OK. Still playing with it but I think I have it close. With comfort view OFF, the screen was way too cool still. I was running medium comfort view already. I turned off comfort view and still couldn't find a happy place. So I turned it back on. I think some people will like it on medium if you like it a little cooler, and out it on high if you want it a little warmer and try it where I put my green circle at. YMMV though because who knows if LG sourced the same supplier, much less type of screen since this screen calibrated to crap for a very very flagship price. Let me know and see what you guys come up with.
Still hurts my eyes. I'm so used to my note4 still
Hmm.. Am I the only one who likes comfort view off? I'm coming from the note 7v and I still like it off. Why again do people want less blue? I find my screen whites to be really white with comfort view off. Why is that a bad thing? Lol
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OK. Still playing with it but I think I have it close. With comfort view OFF, the screen was way too cool still. I was running medium comfort view already. I turned off comfort view and still couldn't find a happy place. So I turned it back on. I think some people will like it on medium if you like it a little cooler, and out it on high if you want it a little warmer and try it where I put my green circle at. YMMV though because who knows if LG sourced the same supplier, much less type of screen since this screen calibrated to crap for a very very flagship price. Let me know and see what you guys come up with.
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Used your pic as a guide and got it to a point I'm comfortable with
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Hmm.. Am I the only one who likes comfort view off? I'm coming from the note 7v and I still like it off. Why again do people want less blue? I find my screen whites to be really white with comfort view off. Why is that a bad thing? Lol
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Because your colors and gamma are fubar'ed really bad. You want some semblance of color accuracy for the pictures you take. They look horrible and i mean absolutely horrid looking at the pics taken on the phone. You have to transfer them to a more accurate display to see what you have. There are other more important reasons, but they are rare. And there are less important reasons that I don't care to mention. And as is, the kelvin being so high will probably mess with your sleep patterns. Before and during. And then you have the problem of you and others seeing the same images but you might look like a fool when discussing the color of something. And then there is the fact, you should expect a somewhat decently calibrated display, especially from a company that specializes in displays. Samsung, lg and sharp should have calibrated displays ootb. They should also off some kind of CMS or at least presets to cater to people like you who don't expect a quality display and shrug it off as nothing and desirable. You are in the minority by far. Even apple who has nothing to with manufacturing displays pays a slight premium to have their displays calibrated before the phone is sold. At the very least we should be getting displays in the 6-7000k range which is ±500K from 6504K and a gamma of ±.2-.3 from 2.2. also, it would be nice to get a LCD than can display blacks lower than .02 luminance with lower brightness and less than .030 with higher or max brightness but that last part is more wishful thinking and reality dictates that around .04±.005 is more reasonable to expect. I wonder if some manufacturers goes out on a limb and makes a FALD display. It's feasible but would probably add too much thickness to a phone even if 1cm thick phones were the norm.
As an aside, I wish more phones were about 1cm thickness to accommodate bigger batteries, designs with passive cooling in mind like some recent Samsung flagships, better drop handling and quality control because everything is so crammed sometimes engineering doesn't take into consideration how everything will act in the real world in consumer hands. Thicker phones would give engineers more wiggle room to make better phones with bigger batteries and probably more innovation would come out instead of being held back or dropped altogether. I think many consumers have any idea the implications and far reaching depths of the tango phone. It is stuff like that that will make navigating easier among other things. And when holograms are in everybody's house tango phones will surely be a contributing factor into the foundation of the quality of those holograms. For now some of the data will probably be repurposed for VR.
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Because your colors and gamma are fubar'ed really bad. You want some semblance of color accuracy for the pictures you take. They look horrible and i mean absolutely horrid looking at the pics taken on the phone. You have to transfer them to a more accurate display to see what you have. There are other more important reasons, but they are rare. And there are less important reasons that I don't care to mention. And as is, the kelvin being so high will probably mess with your sleep patterns. Before and during. And then you have the problem of you and others seeing the same images but you might look like a fool when discussing the color of something. And then there is the fact, you should expect a somewhat decently calibrated display, especially from a company that specializes in displays. Samsung, lg and sharp should have calibrated displays ootb. They should also off some kind of CMS or at least presets to cater to people like you who don't expect a quality display and shrug it off as nothing and desirable. You are in the minority by far. Even apple who has nothing to with manufacturing displays pays a slight premium to have their displays calibrated before the phone is sold. At the very least we should be getting displays in the 6-7000k range which is �±500K from 6504K and a gamma of �±.2-.3 from 2.2. also, it would be nice to get a LCD than can display blacks lower than .02 luminance with lower brightness and less than .030 with higher or max brightness but that last part is more wishful thinking and reality dictates that around .04�±.005 is more reasonable to expect. I wonder if some manufacturers goes out on a limb and makes a FALD display. It's feasible but would probably add too much thickness to a phone even if 1cm thick phones were the norm.
As an aside, I wish more phones were about 1cm thickness to accommodate bigger batteries, designs with passive cooling in mind like some recent Samsung flagships, better drop handling and quality control because everything is so crammed sometimes engineering doesn't take into consideration how everything will act in the real world in consumer hands. Thicker phones would give engineers more wiggle room to make better phones with bigger batteries and probably more innovation would come out instead of being held back or dropped altogether. I think many consumers have any idea the implications and far reaching depths of the tango phone. It is stuff like that that will make navigating easier among other things. And when holograms are in everybody's house tango phones will surely be a contributing factor into the foundation of the quality of those holograms. For now some of the data will probably be repurposed for VR.
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Just about no one IRL owns a color accurate display. Further just because they do in no way means their OS properly utilizes it. Windows of all flavors has for years has been renowned for this. Web browsers also almost all fail at color management too.
People live to squawk about accurate colors, tbh despite their best efforts, only photogs really ever pull it off whereas lay consumers almost never do.
Who on XDA owns a colorimeter? I rest my case.
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Just about no one IRL owns a color accurate display. Further just because they do in no way means their OS properly utilizes it. Windows of all flavors has for years has been renowned for this. Web browsers also almost all fail at color management too.
People live to squawk about accurate colors, tbh despite their best efforts, only photogs really ever pull it off whereas lay consumers almost never do.
Who on XDA owns a colorimeter? I rest my case.
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Lol. Wrong. Samsung TVs are known for their color accuracy ootb. I calibrated my laptop display. Haven't bothered calibrating my Samsung JS9500 with tools and just used a disk because it only needed minor adjustment.
Photographers aren't the only one. Studios that make movies use calibrated displays. Professional calibrators use calibrated, and some even bring smaller monitors to show their customers what it will look like since the average consumer doesn't know how much it will affect what they're used to and the calibrator wants the customer to know what they're getting and not have to deal with angry customers who have no clue. And as I mentioned, I left some leniency on the color temp 6504K ±500 should suffice. The pics I've taken on my v20 look like garbage until I made the adjustments. Wouldn't you expect some reasonable color accuracy from your phone display? Especially phones that cost $600+? I definitely expect it from the v20 being an $800 phone. For those that night the pixel, pixel xl and 256GB iphone should expect no less than very very minor deviations. And colorimiters and spectrometers aren't too expensive for decent brands and can get a lot of noise as tv ages or hook up their friends. Light meters otoh can get expensive quick. The cheap ones aren't worth using on an amoled or FALD display. A cheap one would work with most smartphone displays just fine unless you're measuring below .02 I believe.
Is too much too ask for a closely calibrsted display? I mean geez. Smartphone OEM's are already talking about HDR and HDR+ on these small displays. Why jump ahead if you can't get the basics good enough? And it's also amusing some Samsung fanboys were bragging their displays could go over 1000nits. It is very possible that mightve had something to do with the phones combusting. That is a very high draw on the battery and the power circuits and power management. 1000nits would kill your OLED lifespan much more quickly, the longevity of your SEALED battery shortened and could easily bulge the battery sooner than later drawing that much current for a display smaller than 6".
Anyways, I think consumers should expect no less than a 6504K display ±500 and a gamma of 2.2 or close to it. On flagship phones at least. The display used on the v20 should be in less than $400 phone. The blacks even suck. Contrast is decent though but I'm guessing that is because of the 9000K temperature where whites look whiter but in reality they are bluer.
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Lol. Wrong. Samsung TVs are known for their color accuracy ootb. I calibrated my laptop display. Haven't bothered calibrating my Samsung JS9500 with tools and just used a disk because it only needed minor adjustment.
Photographers aren't the only one. Studios that make movies use calibrated displays. Professional calibrators use calibrated, and some even bring smaller monitors to show their customers what it will look like since the average consumer doesn't know how much it will affect what they're used to and the calibrator wants the customer to know what they're getting and not have to deal with angry customers who have no clue. And as I mentioned, I left some leniency on the color temp 6504K ±500 should suffice. The pics I've taken on my v20 look like garbage until I made the adjustments. Wouldn't you expect some reasonable color accuracy from your phone display? Especially phones that cost $600+? I definitely expect it from the v20 being an $800 phone. For those that night the pixel, pixel xl and 256GB iphone should expect no less than very very minor deviations. And colorimiters and spectrometers aren't too expensive for decent brands and can get a lot of noise as tv ages or hook up their friends. Light meters otoh can get expensive quick. The cheap ones aren't worth using on an amoled or FALD display. A cheap one would work with most smartphone displays just fine unless you're measuring below .02 I believe.
Is too much too ask for a closely calibrsted display? I mean geez. Smartphone OEM's are already talking about HDR and HDR+ on these small displays. Why jump ahead if you can't get the basics good enough? And it's also amusing some Samsung fanboys were bragging their displays could go over 1000nits. It is very possible that mightve had something to do with the phones combusting. That is a very high draw on the battery and the power circuits and power management. 1000nits would kill your OLED lifespan much more quickly, the longevity of your SEALED battery shortened and could easily bulge the battery sooner than later drawing that much current for a display smaller than 6".
Anyways, I think consumers should expect no less than a 6504K display ±500 and a gamma of 2.2 or close to it. On flagship phones at least. The display used on the v20 should be in less than $400 phone. The blacks even suck. Contrast is decent though but I'm guessing that is because of the 9000K temperature where whites look whiter but in reality they are bluer.
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D65 is not the be all end all of accuracy. Stop harping like it is. It is one and only one aspect. You can have a panel with good D65 that still does not reproduce accurate colors. And even on an accurate panels, color output varies across it.
You want to talk accuracy you need to be addressing issues like sRGB versus ARGB, and also presently the LCD panel makers are hoping to force the rec.2020 colorspace (which has a huge range of greens), in order to con you the consumer into replacing your otherwise good monitor. You also need to be addressing not just the panels output but also the colorspace of the content-which is why OS matters-because Windows as stated fails supremely at managing color spaces. Hell most content isn't even managed right to sRGB that has been around for 20+ years as an ISO standard....For a brief while the panel makers were pushing ARGB and "vivid" colors....now with UHD broadcast content they want to force a universe where even sRGB hasn't caught on into rec.2020
Thanks for admitting you don't have a colorimeter. As much as you harp on color accuracy, you only talk the talk and only talk the talk about D65. You have no idea what your colors actually are or if they are accurate be they on your TV or your computer monitor or your phone. Sorry. Thems the harsh facts. Photogs are really the only ones who know about this stuff and walk the walk, all other consumers harp on it--but really they're all talk and no cattle IRL.
Well aware of other standards. But is asking for D65 and CMS too much. No. This screen is wack and as mentioned should expect better from a display manufacturer and a flagship phone. Well aware of the other standards tr here trying to push and many OEMs haven't even got the current ones right. If we have passive attitude like yours do you think it will ever be fixed? And yes, photographers are probably the most prominent activists of color accuracy so I'm quite sure they want us to see it on a reasonably somewhat accurate display. We are in the 21st century far from black and white and many years of innovation and improving. I don't think it is much to ask for this especially when they're outsourcing the labor to save pennies.
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Well aware of other standards. But is asking for D65 and CMS too much. No. This screen is wack and as mentioned should expect better from a display manufacturer and a flagship phone. Well aware of the other standards tr here trying to push and many OEMs haven't even got the current ones right. If we have passive attitude like yours do you think it will ever be fixed? And yes, photographers are probably the most prominent activists of color accuracy so I'm quite sure they want us to see it on a reasonably somewhat accurate display. We are in the 21st century far from black and white and many years of innovation and improving. I don't think it is much to ask for this especially when they're outsourcing the labor to save pennies.
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Capitalism is fundamentally a race to the bottom dollar and highest margin. Making an outstanding product gets in the way. Given how long it has taken for even top shelf professional ridiculously expensive LCD displays to get as good as CRTs like FW900 were 20 years ago...you'll probably be waiting a while.
Come to think of it, does Android as a platform even support CMS? And does Google bake it into the source they send OEMs? And then do any apps actually use it? I'd guess no, no, and no... But but I haven't checked.
Well that was all very informative. Thank you.
All that said, can any of you extremely intelligent experts tell us simple minded ones how that helps to calibrate V20 screen colors?
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Capitalism is fundamentally a race to the bottom dollar and highest margin. Making an outstanding product gets in the way. Given how long it has taken for even top shelf professional ridiculously expensive LCD displays to get as good as CRTs like FW900 were 20 years ago...you'll probably be waiting a while.
Come to think of it, does Android as a platform even support CMS? And does Google bake it into the source they send OEMs? And then do any apps actually use it? I'd guess no, no, and no... But but I haven't checked.
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I'm pretty sure android doesn't support CMS baked in. The screens get calibrated at factory to my knowledge. Or not calibrated. Samsung might support CMS somewhere deep in the firmware but as mentioned before they're usually calibrated pretty well ootb and have 3-4 options for modes. One of the modes even caters to people that like cooler screens. Just wishing that LG had implemented something like this in the V20 and not have to use the half baked workaround to get decent color accuracy. Took some pictures of the sunset yesterday with incoming rain clouds and was much happier with what I am using now than previously. And from what I've read, it costs approximately $1-3 USD to calibrate smartphone displays if your phone is manufactured and/or assembled in China. Cuts into profit yes, but I think at least flagships, especially the top tiered camera ones should get it. What's the use of a good camera if the pictures look like crap on the display. Makes editing it to make it more appealing or artistic harder or less desirable, on the smartphone at least in this social media age. I just want my nephew pictures and scenery pictures to look good when I look at them right away. I dont think that is too much to ask for, profits be damned.
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BroJack said:
Well that was all very informative. Thank you.
All that said, can any of you extremely intelligent experts tell us simple minded ones how that helps to calibrate V20 screen colors?
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Just a thread to help those who want a warmer or more accurate screen. I made a thread about using comfort view to help. The op found a setting in accessibility where you can manually change color profiles or manually change how colors are presented. My picture above was just a starting point for those who decide to use this where I found my screen to be more desireable, easy on the eyes and much closer to color accuracy. Might have to use the xrite on this screen and see if it helps. I am not a pro and between the software and having to use a guide each time is difficult. Just use that green circle, if that is the right color (lol), to get a base line of what you want your screen to look like. You can get a little more punch, cooler, warmer or just off the charts inaccurate colors.
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I'm pretty sure android doesn't support CMS baked in. The screens get calibrated at factory to my knowledge. Or not calibrated. Samsung might support CMS somewhere deep in the firmware but as mentioned before they're usually calibrated pretty well ootb and have 3-4 options for modes. One of the modes even caters to people that like cooler screens. Just wishing that LG had implemented something like this in the V20 and not have to use the half baked workaround to get decent color accuracy. Took some pictures of the sunset yesterday with incoming rain clouds and was much happier with what I am using now than previously. And from what I've read, it costs approximately $1-3 USD to calibrate smartphone displays if your phone is manufactured and/or assembled in China. Cuts into profit yes, but I think at least flagships, especially the top tiered camera ones should get it. What's the use of a good camera if the pictures look like crap on the display. Makes editing it to make it more appealing or artistic harder or less desirable, on the smartphone at least in this social media age. I just want my nephew pictures and scenery pictures to look good when I look at them right away. I dont think that is too much to ask for, profits be damned.
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Just a thread to help those who want a warmer or more accurate screen. I made a thread about using comfort view to help. The op found a setting in accessibility where you can manually change color profiles or manually change how colors are presented. My picture above was just a starting point for those who decide to use this where I found my screen to be more desireable, easy on the eyes and much closer to color accuracy. Might have to use the xrite on this screen and see if it helps. I am not a pro and between the software and having to use a guide each time is difficult. Just use that green circle, if that is the right color (lol), to get a base line of what you want your screen to look like. You can get a little more punch, cooler, warmer or just off the charts inaccurate colors.
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From some cursory reading....with the much maligned G5 LG actually targeted rec.2020 (alias DCI-P3) colorspace.
So far I haven't found any reference to what colorspace the v20's panel was intended to fit. Nor if anyone has tried measuring the screen in anything other than sRGB.Given that they were actually able to ship a rec2020 panel in the previous flagship....their very hot D65 value for v20 is more strange. I mention it as the rec2020 space is MUCH more deep in the blue/green department. Just a hairbrained theory, I don't own a colorimeter to check-but mnaybe the hot screen on v20 comes from calibrating more for rec.2020 as opposed to sRGB/ARGB.
Basically, my S8 Plus' colour balance seems to look nicer than my M20Pro
I like my display a bit warm, even on the warmest of colours (In the settings) my M20Pro still looks extremely washed out and light / white.
Anyone else having this issue?
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Basically, my S8 Plus' colour balance seems to look nicer than my M20Pro
I like my display a bit warm, even on the warmest of colours (In the settings) my M20Pro still looks extremely washed out and light / white.
Anyone else having this issue?
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Settings>Display>EyeComfort>ColorTemperature
Turn on Eye comfort
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Settings>Display>EyeComfort>ColorTemperature
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Thank you for the response, just tried this, still not getting the same types of colours compared to my S8 plus.
tomorrow I'll get my camera out and I'll try to show what I mean.
Just adjust it to the way temp you like. I liked the colder temp. The screen makes the whites on the pixel 2 xl horrible
I like my display as white as possible. So I like it on the cooler side
I am a little disappointed in the warmth of the screen. Yes, OLED means perfect black - but the screen is otherwise quite cold even when the 'eye comfort' is set to vivid & warm. In fact, laying this phone beside my 1st gen OPO (which was a textbook 'cold' LCD), they don't really look all that different.
Obviously Samsung tends to go to near garish, eye searing ends of the spectrum when you have things set to 'vivid', but my 10" Tab 2 is so juicy your eyeballs explode and dribble down your face. I wonder if this screen is simply cold by hardware design or if it would be possible through software to make things warmer yet. It isn't a deal breaker, but putting this thing next to an iPhone XS (which is also considered quite 'cold', explained insistently as 'more accurate'), the XS actually looks somewhat more juicy than this thing. I don't want accurate, I want to get radiation burns from the ridiculous over saturation.
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Basically, my S8 Plus' colour balance seems to look nicer than my M20Pro
I like my display a bit warm, even on the warmest of colours (In the settings) my M20Pro still looks extremely washed out and light / white.
Anyone else having this issue?
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This must be a defect then because the display is better than the Note 9 and S9 plus when its not going green. If you really need an unnaturally warm tone, it should be perfectly doable in the settings if your phone isn't faulty.
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I am a little disappointed in the warmth of the screen. Yes, OLED means perfect black - but the screen is otherwise quite cold even when the 'eye comfort' is set to vivid & warm. In fact, laying this phone beside my 1st gen OPO (which was a textbook 'cold' LCD), they don't really look all that different.
Obviously Samsung tends to go to near garish, eye searing ends of the spectrum when you have things set to 'vivid', but my 10" Tab 2 is so juicy your eyeballs explode and dribble down your face. I wonder if this screen is simply cold by hardware design or if it would be possible through software to make things warmer yet. It isn't a deal breaker, but putting this thing next to an iPhone XS (which is also considered quite 'cold', explained insistently as 'more accurate'), the XS actually looks somewhat more juicy than this thing. I don't want accurate, I want to get radiation burns from the ridiculous over saturation.
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What is it with people loving these horrible warm displays? Get an iphone x they have lovely yellow whites with truetone turned on. I wager you'll love that.
One interesting thing that most people aren't talking about is the fact that Samsung's new displays are actually TUV Rheinland certified for significantly less blue light emission (advertised 42% reduction), while still maintaining optimal colors and picture quality.
To me this is a huge selling point. Most people probably don't care, but blue light is shown to cause significant eye strain, and slow the development of melatonin in the brain., destroying your sleep quality. Just curious on everyone's thoughts about this.
Here's some more info if anyone's interested;
https://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/galaxy-s10/design/
https://news.samsung.com/us/samsung...rp-reduction-blue-light-emission-oled-panels/
Samsung discussed it at their event. Reviewers/Youtubers and tech sites rarely comment on blue light emission. You'll come across more articles on how to kill Bixby! The Honor 8X was certified too, but few speak about it.
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Samsung discussed it at their event. Reviewers/Youtubers and tech sites rarely comment on blue light emission. You'll come across more articles on how to kill Bixby! The Honor 8X was certified too, but few speak about it.
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Didn't know about the honor 8x. Is that also a Samsung display? I'm curios to know exactly what manufactures use Samsung displays aside from Apple.
hope this doesn't mean the screen will be more yellow. I hate that. loved Samsungs bc of their nicer, bluer screens tbh. my pixel 2 looks nasty compared to my note 9.
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hope this doesn't mean the screen will be more yellow. I hate that. loved Samsungs bc of their nicer, bluer screens tbh. my pixel 2 looks nasty compared to my note 9.
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Blue-light filters usually make things yellow, but I checked the s10/s10+ in a shop and the display is PERFECT, the white levels are incredibly pure and it looks cleaner than my XZ1's IPS which I thought would have unbeatable whites when compared to oleds, that's no longer the case.
I always hated OLED but Samsung found a way to reduce its drawbacks while creating a super accurate panel, if you want to buy one last AMOLED device while waiting for Micro-led to be a thing in mobile, this looks like a very wise choice.
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Blue-light filters usually make things yellow, but I checked the s10/s10+ in a shop and the display is PERFECT, the white levels are incredibly pure and it looks cleaner than my XZ1's IPS which I thought would have unbeatable whites when compared to oleds, that's no longer the case.
I always hated OLED but Samsung found a way to reduce its drawbacks while creating a super accurate panel, if you want to buy one last AMOLED device while waiting for Micro-led to be a thing in mobile, this looks like a very wise choice.
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Didnt even know about micro led until now. Does look very promising. Hopefully we see in on the S12 if not sooner.
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Didnt even know about micro led until now. Does look very promising. Hopefully we see in on the S12 if not sooner.
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They're still trying to shrink it for the average TV size, I hope it will come soon.
Did some more research on the Honor 8x, it appears they are advertising blue light reduction with their "eye comfort mode" which tweaks the colors you are seeing. While on the other hand, Samsung is pointing out the 42% reduction from previous OLED's still maintains the same colors you're seeing. So based off that, the S10 is capable of reducing exposure without software tweaks.
It also appears that out of the box, the S10 is defaulted to the "Natural" color setting, and provides a "Vibrant" setting, which does increase color saturation. I wonder if the higher color setting changes your exposure by much...
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Did some more research on the Honor 8x, it appears they are advertising blue light reduction with their "eye comfort mode" which tweaks the colors you are seeing. While on the other hand, Samsung is pointing out the 42% reduction from previous OLED's still maintains the same colors you're seeing. So based off that, the S10 is capable of reducing exposure without software tweaks.
It also appears that out of the box, the S10 is defaulted to the "Natural" color setting, and provides a "Vibrant" setting, which does increase color saturation. I wonder if the higher color setting changes your exposure by much...
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Then the Honor 8x's solution is nothing more than a software re calibration tweak, I'm glad the S10 comes with a hardware solution that doesn't impact viewing experience.
But yeah using Vivid mode will increase your exposure to blue light depending on the displayed colors, I wouldn't worry that much, it is in no way as dangerous as the exposure to TVs, Desktop monitors or even daylight.
Can someone link to a bluelight study that shows its harmful. I lost my ebsco access when I left college. I always thought this was an overreaction. I've been staring at cool temp computer screens since the 90s, and my recent eye exam says my eyes are still perfect.
I've found the press release, but no peer reviewed papers.
http://utnews.utoledo.edu/index.php/08_08_2018/ut-chemists-discover-how-blue-light-speeds-blindness
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Can someone link to a bluelight study that shows its harmful. I lost my ebsco access when I left college. I always thought this was an overreaction. I've been staring at cool temp computer screens since the 90s, and my recent eye exam says my eyes are still perfect.
I've found the press release, but no peer reviewed papers.
http://utnews.utoledo.edu/index.php/08_08_2018/ut-chemists-discover-how-blue-light-speeds-blindness
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You can get peer reviewed content from google. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0194218
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4734149/
Glad to know I'm not the only one. I even wear reading glasses with blue light filter due to my extreme light sensitivity, so yes, totally big deal for me too
Pwm is for losers. Now Sony is also on the oled bandwagon.