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This morning I restarted my prime and im looking at system tuner pro...
All 4 cores are active and stuck on either 475mhz or 1.2mhz!
I didn't change anything...governer is interactive 102-1.6mhz limit....the cores wont turn off or scale down. It would usually scale down to 102mhz and turn off 2 cores...but they're all online...
FAST is good but it's killing my battery =P
Anyone know whats going on?
Pretty sire this is across the board for the most part. This happened after update to ICS or last update. Ive noticed it also but it scales to other frequencies also. Doesn't seem to effect battery too much. Your best bet if you worried about battery is to throw it in power savings mode in Asus quick settings. But no matter what mode its in, it seems to like to stay near maxed out. Maybe Asus adjusted the frequency timing to speed up things in ICS.
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I'm sorry, I didn't see any other posts about this issue.
Thanks for your input
Yeah, I've had the same problem since the ICS update, but still can't find a solution, so I'm waitng for recovery and back to HC.. And, btw, it's killing my battery - it barely holds a whole day since then..
This seems like a plausible explanation for all the reboots people are seeing. With ICS the processor is kept in a more active state which uncovers wafer defects and heats up the SoC until it goes into protection mode.
Some processors handle the load better than others and it seems the spread is veeeery wide. nVidia is probably supplying Asus with parts from all bins, if they even bother to quality check and rate their parts after coming off the production lines.
I would argue that nVidia's thresholds for what is considered a passable Tegra 3 chip are way too low for real world applications.
remics said:
This seems like a plausible explanation for all the reboots people are seeing. With ICS the processor is kept in a more active state which uncovers wafer defects and heats up the SoC until it goes into protection mode.
Some processors handle the load better than others and it seems the spread is veeeery wide. nVidia is probably supplying Asus with parts from all bins, if they even bother to quality check and rate their parts after coming off the production lines.
I would argue that nVidia's thresholds for what is considered a passable Tegra 3 chip are way too low for real world applications.
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Maybe. I can run overclocked to 1.6Ghz n still be fine no reboots. Like you said, not all chips exactly the same though. Small variances between all chips.
I'm hoping/assuming ASUS is aware of this, but just in case they're not, has anyone brought this to Gary's attention?
seeknom said:
I'm hoping/assuming ASUS is aware of this, but just in case they're not, has anyone brought this to Gary's attention?
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I'm sure they do know already. Probably amped the frequency timing up so ICS can stay as smooth as it is. It may get adjusted in new update we supposed to get any day now. New update "supposedly" fixes alot of issues.
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Just took a look on system tuner, mine still scales down to 102Mhz. Not all 4 cores on all the time. It does like to stay in the higher range though alot. It all depends on what you doing and what you have running in background also.
mine used to scale down to 102mhz as well...and usually with the 3rd and 4th core offline
Odd that it has changed....
Thanks for all the input...im gonna try and see if manually updating to ICS will make any difference
*edit: I put the update file into the system root but TFP won't prompt/recognize the update...guess it won't make a difference....I'll try backing up then doing a factory reset
I'm seeing something a little different. Mine scales all over the place, except it barely ever hits 1300MHz or 1400MHz, even when set on Performance and gaming/benchmarking. For example, right now, mine only show 3 seconds on 1400MHz and 5 seconds on 1300MHz, out of 13 hours uptime.
I think ASUS and Nvidia have some work left to do in getting the Tegra 3 optimized. I'd really rather mine actually use its fastest stock speeds when in Performance mode.
Overclocking?
demandarin said:
Maybe. I can run overclocked to 1.6Ghz n still be fine no reboots. Like you said, not all chips exactly the same though. Small variances between all chips.
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How did you get to overclock? I rooted mine, but had to return it because of problems. However, I couldn't overclock it either.
What's yur secret?
Update: Did a factory reset and all 4 cores are still online 425mhz-1.2 =(
Seems like my i/o speed just got worse and now there's severe lag...
*sigh* - will just wait for unlocked bootloader
SortingBeans said:
How did you get to overclock? I rooted mine, but had to return it because of problems. However, I couldn't overclock it either.
What's yur secret?
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Where you been? Lol we've overclocked for a good while now. Head over into Android developement section of prime. Then check out the "Vipercontrol" thread. Very easy to install n setup.
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wynand32 said:
I'm seeing something a little different. Mine scales all over the place, except it barely ever hits 1300MHz or 1400MHz, even when set on Performance and gaming/benchmarking. For example, right now, mine only show 3 seconds on 1400MHz and 5 seconds on 1300MHz, out of 13 hours uptime.
I think ASUS and Nvidia have some work left to do in getting the Tegra 3 optimized. I'd really rather mine actually use its fastest stock speeds when in Performance mode.
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That's how its supposed to be. It doesn't run at top speed full time..lol your battery wouldn't lastlong at all if it did that. It only hit tops speeds when needed. Then it scales back when not needed anymore.
As far as your timing showing only a few seconds at top speed, all that means is you didn't do anything the prime needed top speeds for.
If you want to run at full speeds all the time I have your solution. If you rooted get System tuner app. Then open app up. Go to CPU tweaks. There it shows you what all 4 cores are running a piece in real time. The governor should be on default interactive mode. All you do it put governor on performance mode. Then raise your minimum speed up to the Max. Now your prime will be running at top speeds all the time. Now beware though, expect battery to drain alot faster.
I did that trick with my overclock n can have all 4 cores maxed out to 1.6Ghz at once. Battery drains faster than Asus performance mode though. As far as speeds go though, I can put my prime in stock powersavings mode, lowest power settings, n everything still moves fast n fluid. Same with heavy duty games also. There's nothing out on Android yet to really need overclocking power yet. PRIME handles anything you throw at it in stock settings. OVERCLOCKING is just for kicks really andbto make things that much faster. Not really needed. Overclocking will be better once bootloader unlocked and we get undervolting paired with overclocking. That way we can get great battery life and more power. Nothing wrong with overclocking though. I'd say if you not worried about battery life or gonna eventually be near a powersource, go for it. Android developement section of Prime. Its called VioerControl Mod. Very easy to install n setup. Works great. Everyone rooted should give it a whirl if you looking for more power or want to push the envelope.
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That's how its supposed to be. It doesn't run at top speed full time..lol your battery wouldn't lastlong at all if it did that. It only hit tops speeds when needed. Then it scales back when not needed anymore.
My mistake. I'd forgotten that I'd rebooted since running the benchmarks and gaming, so my CPU Spy values didn't reflect them. I just ran some benchmarks and 1400MHz now shows 18 seconds while 1300MHz now shows 2:08 minutes.
I would still like to see that as running at 1400MHz throughout the benchmarks, so I stand by my statement that some additional tuning is required.
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what Firmware specifically are you guys on????
I just downloaded system tuner... I'm running ICS, and my tablet has been rock solid (not a single reboot).
CPU0 is running around 200-400MHz, and the other 3 cores are offline (although core 1 comes online for a bit now and then.) And, my battery life is excellent.... same or better than it was with HC.
To clarify, those of you who are having reboots, are you all seeing all cores on and maxed out all the time?
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what Firmware specifically are you guys on????
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9.4.2.11
Its the latest one available on ICS.
On the contrary...ever since my tfp decided to keep all cores online and minimum 425mhz speed, I haven't had any lockups or reboots.
But my battery life sucks and my benchmark scores are Still horrible.
The disk I/0 speed is horrendous (as stated in the bonnie++ benchmark thread)
Hope for an update soon
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try this for better disk read
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455382
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try this for better disk read
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455382
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Has this been confirmed to actually work or be better? Were you the one that made that thread with bonnie benchmarks on disk read speeds or something? How much of a difference are the scores after installing the kernel modules in that thread?
Hey all! Have a little question. I've been putting roms together and have noticed some weird issues. Running a Galaxy S 2 skyrocket. I've noticed some strange behaviors with the pulldown notification bar on some roms and kernels with gpu rendering on in the build prop. Becomes laggy. Turn it off and butter smooth. I also noticed that this only happens in touchwiz. Other launchers seem unaffected. So my question is first is it worth rendering the ui with the gpu on a device like this? (1.5ghz dual core) What exactly is benefiting from the change? (homescreens and what else?) It seems snappier when its on but could be a placebo effect as well. Also why does touchwiz appear affected? Is it the way it renders pages? If someone smarter than me could shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!!
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Hey all! Have a little question. I've been putting roms together and have noticed some weird issues. Running a Galaxy S 2 skyrocket. I've noticed some strange behaviors with the pulldown notification bar on some roms and kernels with gpu rendering on in the build prop. Becomes laggy. Turn it off and butter smooth. I also noticed that this only happens in touchwiz. Other launchers seem unaffected. So my question is first is it worth rendering the ui with the gpu on a device like this? (1.5ghz dual core) What exactly is benefiting from the change? (homescreens and what else?) It seems snappier when its on but could be a placebo effect as well. Also why does touchwiz appear affected? Is it the way it renders pages? If someone smarter than me could shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!!
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I have this same question as well. I hope we get an answer too. I'm using launcher pro so I don't know if thats advisable either
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have a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1887997
there is an easy mod for devices with adreno 200 gpu. Worked very well for me on DSC. Didn't made a benchmark, though it's just subjective impression that the rendering is faster.
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have a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1887997
there is an easy mod for devices with adreno 200 gpu. Worked very well for me on DSC. Didn't made a benchmark, though it's just subjective impression that the rendering is faster.
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hmm...such a super easy mod... tried it on longhorn 2.9.3-b1 ... can boot normally.. tho quadrant advanced shows the same as before ... 19xx
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.. tho quadrant advanced shows the same as before ... 19xx
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... thats what they said in the thread, in benchmarks it doesn't show. I think it does show in day to day use, and I think its o.k. to use the gpu for rendering und free the cpu for other tasks.
But I also found a drawback when playing mp4 with the gallery. There are hickups in fast screen changes, when there are none with cpu rendering. There is definitely a reason, why the gpu-rendering is turned off.
I circumvent that with bsplayer where you can select hardware vs. software rendering in the preferences.
I get the same effect with debug.egl.hw=1 in /system/build.prop
So no need to remove files or edit in /system/lib/egl/egl.cfg
Can't say too much about performance, but battery life seems to have improved! CM7.2 here with n0p's latest kernel. Need to try this on ICS and see if it has similar results!
As far as I know you save battery because the CPU is freed up from the loads of rendering it handled before, before the GPU would only be used when it was needed. You get an all around boost in performance with the UI more than anything because now the GPU renders graphics entirely and not just in 2D/3D operations. Some people say benchmark scores are lower because of this, I say it has to be somewhat inaccurate but my guess is that since it's now being used for 2D/3D along with everything else it might possibly effect the performance the GPU had when it was fully freed up. But when you really take a close look, if you've really tried it for a long enough amount of time, you'll see that the drop it's barely or even not noticeable at all. I think you guys are all happier with a faster UI, I know I am.
Makes more sense now, right?
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Edrill said:
Can't say too much about performance, but battery life seems to have improved! CM7.2 here with n0p's latest kernel. Need to try this on ICS and see if it has similar results!
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Do NOT try on ICS unless you have ICS specific Adreno 200 drivers. Adreno 200 is different on GB and ICS/JB, usually the JB Adreno 200 libs will work on an ICS ROM.
So I wanted to write this quick and simple tutorial on how to get utter smooth UI. it only takes 3 quick things and you'll be set.
1. Use Nova Launcher. TOUCHWIZ has come a long way but it's still not where it needs to be.
2. Under developer options make all the animations .5
3. Under developer options turn on Force GPU Rendering.
With these three things done this phone is absolutely butter smooth and runs super fast.
enzozenuni said:
So I wanted to write this quick and simple tutorial on how to get utter smooth UI. it only takes 3 quick things and you'll be set.
1. Use Nova Launcher. TOUCHWIZ has come a long way but it's still not where it needs to be.
2. Under developer options make all the animations .5
3. Under developer options turn on Force GPU Rendering.
With these three things done this phone is absolutely butter smooth and runs super fast.
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How does Force GPU Rendering speed things up?
And shouldn't the animations be 0?
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KruseLudsMobile said:
How does Force GPU Rendering speed things up?
And shouldn't the animations be 0?
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I keep em at .5 just because I like a slight animation. Force gpu I'm not sure exactly how it functions but it definitely made my phone a lot smoother.
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I keep em at .5 just because I like a slight animation. Force gpu I'm not sure exactly how it functions but it definitely made my phone a lot smoother.
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Animations were way too slow for me so, and I dialed them back to .5 actually. Thanks for the tip tho!
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You can install system UI tuner and make the animations even faster. I set it at 0.3 now. Also make sure you disable as many things as possible, things you don't use and especially knox and secure folder.
I'm grateful because I know someone learned something. But I thought this was pretty common.
I've been away from Samsung since note 4. Sad these devices still have that slight lag.
None of what's in the op fixes the issue in the long wrong. First thing I did when I recurved the phone but 2 months later, lag fest.
Luckily I got mine for free.
Strange. It's the first sam smartphone that imho is W/O lags. No one. With a REAL multitasking. To start i have 3GB of free ram for ALL my apps.
No one smartphone like this.
For me this Note 8 Is the TOP. Simply ...
herandy said:
You can install system UI tuner and make the animations even faster. I set it at 0.3 now. Also make sure you disable as many things as possible, things you don't use and especially knox and secure folder.
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Hello have you a link to this app please?
Haha great guide man!
It's great to see that I'm not the only person that does this!
I've been doing this ever since developer options were a thing!
That being said, i've found myself stuck to TouchWiz on this device only. It just works and i'm a little ashamed to say.. I like it.
;D
On another note, would you happen to know of a way to get the frosted app drawer look Touchwiz has on Nova?
Thanks!
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Hello have you a link to this app please?
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Play Store
herandy said:
You can install system UI tuner and make the animations even faster. I set it at 0.3 now. Also make sure you disable as many things as possible, things you don't use and especially knox and secure folder.
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I installed SystemUI Tuner but use it for other things - I still prefer 0 which can be done without that tool.
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denzel09 said:
Strange. It's the first sam smartphone that imho is W/O lags. No one. With a REALLY multitasking. To start i have 3GB of free ram for ALL my apps.
No one smartphone like this.
For me this Note 8 Is the TOP. Simply ...
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Same here. Not even the tiniest lag or stutter. Set my animation speed to 0.5x (I do that even on AOSP phones) and it's faster than anything. Apps load instantly. Battery life is great. Screen quality is unbelievable. Camera quality is sick. Best phone I ever had. Now when I see how many problems Pixel 2 and 2 XL has. I'm happy that I got this phone. Samsung is improving a lot. But next year I might switch to Pixel 3 XL(only if they will fix all these problems).
I think the Play Store and Chrome lag from time to time. The Samsung browser is smoother.
Mine I set it ot High Performance Mode, 0.5 transitions, force gpu rendering on 2d apps.
Well of course in exchange of battery.
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KruseLudsMobile said:
How to get a buttery smooth UI.
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This shouldn't even be up for discussion. If your touchwiz UI is not smooth on this phone maybe do a restore or check for 3rd party software utilizing your CPU in back ground. This phone doesn't need 3rd party launcher or customization to be smooth.
DrearierJester1 said:
Mine I set it ot High Performance Mode, 0.5 transitions, force gpu rendering on 2d apps.
Well of course in exchange of battery.
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Performance modes do nothing in terms of how CPU and GPU are handled all they do is mess with resolution screen brightness.
Also force GPU 2d is doing nothing for you as it was put in place long time ago for apps that didn't utilize GPU for 2d. This day age with new android and touchwiz your GPU is being used and you could test this buy enabling *show GPU view updates* in dev options and navigate your UI and you will see the screen flashes red that because your GPU is already being used
^^ Thanks for the tip. I have moved on to X.
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^^ Thanks for the tip. I have moved on to X.
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Well good for you Some people can't handle the options you get with Android. At least you know your limitations. Best of luck on the X !
Note....this isn't sarcasm. Coming from a technical background, if you don't need or use the features of the note, by all means go with something simpler for you to use! My wife loves her iPhones..... I have an i7 MacBook pro and I've built several hackintosh towers. I'm not against apple but their iOS can't do what I need it to physically / technically. The note is the best of the best of the Android platform at the moment.
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I though about the X as only thing really holding back on ever getting iphone really was lack of OLED as im not into rooting and custom ROMS anymore.
Wanted X more so for game optimization but is way too much $$$ for what you get.
Glad I didn't though the note 8 *qualcomm*is huge surprise in terms of performance compared to like my note 5 that would thermal throttle way too fast and frames would drop. This phone has no noticeable thermal throttling with games so games that support 60fps run smooth and sustain performance and course you cant beat the quality of this screen my UHD mkv movies look so good on this.
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Strange. It's the first sam smartphone that imho is W/O lags. No one. With a REAL multitasking. To start i have 3GB of free ram for ALL my apps.
No one smartphone like this.
For me this Note 8 Is the TOP. Simply ...
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No lags on any of my Touchwhiz devices
How to get the transaction animation like oxygen os!!
On aosp roms?
Apple and one plus are fastest phones.zero lag, stutter and opening of app is blazing fast even with animation. AOSP roms give optimum results of SD 625 SoC..and no any software improvement left o improve further. If we want one plus like result then we have a high end processer. These fastest phones are not fast only because of best optimisation of android but also they contain high end processer with graphic card. So there is certain performance limitations with respective processors.
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Apple and one plus are fastest phones.zero lag, stutter and opening of app is blazing fast even with animation. AOSP roms give optimum results of SD 625 SoC..and no any software improvement left o improve further. If we want one plus like result then we have a high end processer. These fastest phones are not fast only because of best optimisation of android but also they contain high end processer with graphic card. So there is certain performance limitations with respective processors.
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Yeah but still it's bcz of oxygen os.
Deep.cdy said:
Yeah but still it's bcz of oxygen os.
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Didn't u understand what he told... :/
If u still want speed go to developer options and change transition and window animation speed....