Hello all,
So I'm going through an "audio quality" phase and I've bought a bunch of crap to make music sound better. I bought a T-Mobile V30 off of craigslist for $130 today, and I am planning on using it as an audio playback device in my car, and pretty much just keep it in my glove box. I have a BMW M5 with a Bang and Olufsen sound system (sounds is incredible) and I usually use my iPhone 11 to either stream via bluetooth or stream via USB using Amazon Music HD. I read fantastic things about this phone (tried to root it and just gave up lol) and I didn't expect streaming via USB cable would be such a hassle.
As I mentioned, streaming on an iPhone 11 via lighting USB cable works great, I am able to control the music using the steering wheel instead of fiddling with the phone itself.
Any suggestions of how to stream via USB to your car with the LG V30? I've done some searching around and it's just people arguing LOL. Again, I'm just trying to keep my steering wheel controls while enjoying high fidelity music
Thank you all in advance!
What makes the V30 a great music source is its high-end ESS Sabre DAC, used when you plug headphones into the 3.5mm port and enable Quad DAC in settings. It is superb, and can drive all but the most demanding headphones.
It can drive external speakers as well through a receiver or amp, but often sounds a bit thin in such setups. It really was made for headphones/IEMs.
When playing through USB, you're sending digital audio out of the phone, relying on an external DAC (in this case your car's audio system) and not using the ESS DAC. I've tried to do this in my Mazda with Bose audio, but not been able to make it work. I know iPhones work doing the same.
Bluetooth works (controlled from steering wheel) but will be lower quality than USB.
I think most high-end car audio systems were designed with the thinking that only poor people use Androids, so no need to bother with them. The marketing people who make these decisions are generally not the sharpest knives in the shed, you know :cyclops:
I appreciate the thorough response! Yeah I’ve only read good things about the phone, I have hd650s that sound meh because of the impedance but might get a portable external amp for the phone. Also this LG off of a 5ghz /connection downloaded 110gb of music 10x faster than my iPhone 11. I stayed up till 4am trying to root it, I’m not going to give up on the USB playback, I’m an optimist like that LOL
And talk about marketing, ironically amazon music partnered up with BMW and the car and app both give you a notification that it’s fully supported. I have nothing but time these days, if I find anything different I will update the thread.
Thanks again The Dannemand!
yergo88 said:
I appreciate the thorough response! Yeah I’ve only read good things about the phone, I have hd650s that sound meh because of the impedance but might get a portable external amp for the phone. Also this LG off of a 5ghz /connection downloaded 110gb of music 10x faster than my iPhone 11. I stayed up till 4am trying to root it, I’m not going to give up on the USB playback, I’m an optimist like that LOL
And talk about marketing, ironically amazon music partnered up with BMW and the car and app both give you a notification that it’s fully supported. I have nothing but time these days, if I find anything different I will update the thread.
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Yes, please, I'll be very interested to hear if you succeed in playing USB audio through your BMW's audio system (nice car BTW )
First thing you want is probably get UAPP from the play store, if you haven't already. It's $8 you can't afford to save. It is both excellent at playing through external USB DACs (what it was made for originally) but also has dedicated support for the Quad DAC, maximizing quality through the 3.5mm port. It is one of only two apps that avoid molesting 16/44 music (CD quality), the other being Neutron. PowerAmp, while popular with many, CAN do it too, but only if you continually tweak its settings to match the exact sample rate of each track you're playing. At least last I checked.
Amazon Music HD does NOT work with our LG phones. It re-samples everything to 48KHz -- although it does a better job of it than the Android Mixer. But that won't matter in your case if Amazon Music can send music unmolested through USB. I don't know that.
As for the HD650, I never tried them myself, although several members comment on their use with V30 in the head-fi V30 thread. If you haven't already, make sure you also check the head-fi V30 Music apps, tricks and tips thread.
With ~100dB sensitivity the HD650 SHOULD theoretically be OK with V30. At 300 Ohm they will trigger High Impedance Mode (of course) with a max output of 2Vrms. They should definitely play loud enough. But maybe the low end gets a bit thin, depending on your preference and type of music. The ESS Sabre DAC used by LG is on the bright and analytical side, definitely not a bass head kind of DAC. An external headphone amp will help, for sure, although you may be better off then with a combined DAC/amp in that case.
Sorry for the lengthy post. I should get on with my work
Edit: To clarify, if my phone's USB mode is set to File Transfer, I can of course play files stored on its internal storage through my car's audio system -- and control it through the steering wheel buttons -- because it is simply using the phone as if it were a USB flash drive. But I don't think that's what you were looking for, since it won't support streaming.
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Yes, please, I'll be very interested to hear if you succeed in playing USB audio through your BMW's audio system (nice car BTW )
First thing you want is probably get UAPP from the play store, if you haven't already. It's $8 you can't afford to save. It is both excellent at playing through external USB DACs (what it was made for originally) but also has dedicated support for the Quad DAC, maximizing quality through the 3.5mm port. It is one of only two apps that avoid molesting 16/44 music (CD quality), the other being Neutron. PowerAmp, while popular with many, CAN do it too, but only if you continually tweak its settings to match the exact sample rate of each track you're playing. At least last I checked.
Amazon Music HD does NOT work with our LG phones. It re-samples everything to 48KHz -- although it does a better job of it than the Android Mixer. But that won't matter in your case if Amazon Music can send music unmolested through USB. I don't know that.
As for the HD650, I never tried them myself, although several members comment on their use with V30 in the head-fi V30 thread. If you haven't already, make sure you also check the head-fi V30 Music apps, tricks and tips thread.
With ~100dB sensitivity the HD650 SHOULD theoretically be OK with V30. At 300 Ohm they will trigger High Impedance Mode (of course) with a max output of 2Vrms. They should definitely play loud enough. But maybe the low end gets a bit thin, depending on your preference and type of music. The ESS Sabre DAC used by LG is on the bright and analytical side, definitely not a bass head kind of DAC. An external headphone amp will help, for sure, although you may be better off then with a combined DAC/amp in that case.
Sorry for the lengthy post. I should get on with my work
Edit: To clarify, if my phone's USB mode is set to File Transfer, I can of course play files stored on its internal storage through my car's audio system -- and control it through the steering wheel buttons -- because it is simply using the phone as if it were a USB flash drive. But I don't think that's what you were looking for, since it won't support streaming.
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Not at all, thank you so much for the help! You've answered all my questions and more!! Saved me a lot of google time!!
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as per title..anyone? mean to say PORTABLE.
I've stopped using gs2 to listen to music long time as the volume is too low and also finding harder to drive my headphones to full. Just only yesterday, my iriver broke and in the market for new player. Thinking whether should be better off with just getting Fiio E6.
yes, we do lack line out through usb (very hopeful that it'll be put on ICS) and the only way to connect is through headphone out which is already amplified.
impressions pls. Thanks.
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as per title..anyone? mean to say PORTABLE.
I've stopped using gs2 to listen to music long time as the volume is too low and also finding harder to drive my headphones to full. Just only yesterday, my iriver broke and in the market for new player. Thinking whether should be better off with just getting Fiio E6.
yes, we do lack line out through usb (very hopeful that it'll be put on ICS) and the only way to connect is through headphone out which is already amplified.
impressions pls. Thanks.
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volume is too low???? either your ears or s2 is done!!!!
think it's both. But yes normally I listen to a high level of volume and gs2 is the one of the lowest sounding device (ie through headphone out) i've ever owned. Not made for each other and made worst by owning couple of higher impedance headphones.
i have been using a FiiO E5 from when i had a n900, i think the volume is too low on the s2 aswell, i think you can get them for less than 20quid now, deffo worth it imo
thanks for that. I'm almost set my heart to buy one of these for later to be paired with sansa clip+ or similar. Probably will be cheaper and better than cowon's or sony x's. It's just curious what will be the effect on sound which is already amplified as HO in gs2.
Try Voodoo Louder from the Market for a 6dB increase, or the app in my sig for more than that. I use Brainwavz M3's with this app & find I only need to have volume at around 30% even in noisy environments (public transport, walking around town).
I've not found the S2 volume to be too bad, but I've used both one of the small "pop up" speakers, as well as a full blown amp, and a car headphone in socket - all absolutely fine.
you've tried Equalizer?, is in the market, is very good. regarding your original question, i use mine with logitech LB21, and it's sounds amazing.
Regards.
with Poweramp I think the sound is louder than the music original application, you can find it on the market
yes i use the E6 - it works fine and the quality is good.
Do not use any of the EQ's etc as suggested here to get it louder. The samsung internal amp can only go so loud without distorting - all u are doing with software boosts is dynamically effecting the music you are listening to. Somewhat like the radio does. It makes all of the instruments in the track as loud as each other by compressing the loudest sounds and lifting the volume of the lower ones. If you really want to get a louder performance from your phone use different headphones - that run on less ohms or use an external portable amp like any of Eii's series.
that's a very good explanation. I've also tried with low impedance headphones but still lacks the "punch". My bad as in OP I used the wrong word "loud" instead of "punch".
so what's the effect of E6 on already amplified Headphone out? just to amplify few dbs on all spectrums??
Rockbox on [email protected] and [email protected] with Voodoo [email protected] did improve the overall sound. Also maybe in that time, my ears started to adjust with the sound coming off GS2. Found similar thread here where ppl's had good experience with amplifer. Ordered Fiio E11 and will post impressions arrive.
Hi everyone.
I did a Google search and did not find anything related.
As we already know/experienced, the sound quality on cellphones when playing music on headphones/earphones is not that good. Someone might suggest boosting the audio file with pc software or even using a 3rd party app to make the sound better/louder on the phone, but this usually does not help that much, if not make the sound even worse.
So this got me thinking... what if we could somehow harness the power of our portable x-fi go soundcard. It's a soundcard integrated in a USB stick.
http://www.itechnews.net/wp-content...-Sound-Blaster-X-Fi-Go-Pro-USB-Sound-Card.jpg
So what would theoretically be needed if this is to be implemented.
* Female USB to Male MicroUSB/MiniUSB cable, to make a connection between the stick and the cellphone.
* Android drivers for Creative X-Fi Go, so that the cellphone can detect the stick and utilize its magic power.
* If the cellphone is not able to give enough power to the USB card, there's always the possibility to split the power cable of the usb cable and connect it to a external battery.
Anyone here with greater knowledge know if this is possible?
If this idea becomes real, we will also eliminate the need to buy external amps like Fiio.
If this problem has already been solved, then please point me to right directions because i did not find anything related on Google or xda search.
Thanks in advanced.
I'm sure this is possible but I don't see the benefit of it. The sound on my device I think is awesome as it is. Investing in some good headphones will probably be a lot more beneficial than implementing this idea.
Out of curiosity what device and headphones do you have?
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I'm using Samsung Galaxy S2 with Sennheiser HD215, and believe me, there's a huge difference, when listening to music on my laptop trough X-Fi vs sg2 with my headphones.
http://www.virtualdj.com/image/22168/3424/s_headphones.jpg
I think the audio quality on my Android devices are fine, the sound is usually limited by the quality of the input file since I'm usually playing lossy formats like MP3. On GB or newer you can get a system wide EQ app, I use Equalizer. It will allow you to set and EQ and bass boost which can make earbuds sound a lot better.
If the audio simply isn't loud enough from your phone you could get an external headphone booster. Boosting audio in files or via an EQ too much will only lead to distortion, where as a headphone booster is a small amplifier that runs from external power and amplifies the analog audio output. These will be helpful when powering larger headphones.
Hi,
I am known to headphone amps, such as FiiO. That's why i was wondering if someone knew how to create some sort of android drivers for creative x-fi usb sound card, and i could use that as an amp instead of buying a new one.
For Recording!
I want to see support for USB sound cards not so much for playback but for recording! There is currently no way to get sound from a microphone into an android thing.
An app that made an android sound studio using a USB sound card would be a major winner. Yeah, drivers and all that but hey!
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I want to see support for USB sound cards not so much for playback but for recording! There is currently no way to get sound from a microphone into an android thing.
An app that made an android sound studio using a USB sound card would be a major winner. Yeah, drivers and all that but hey!
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i'm not a hardcore programmer, but i'm pretty sure if someone actually got a sound card working, the recording part would follow along.
How about porting X-Fi functionality from Creative ZiiO 7 tablet. think it can be done if the X-fi is not hardware base unlike, Beats, xLoud can be ported to other devices.
people with stock earbuds will never notice a difference lol. people who invest in premium earbuds of $150+ get used to the higher quality available on high quality audio devices. and yes my samsung galaxy note has horrible sound compared to the x-fi mp3 player.
the x-fi crystalizer is no marketing gimmick. it's an audiophile's wet dream. i sometimes process things through it like a real-time sfx filter haha
I don't have a V30 yet. Saving up for it right now. I do have an audio question though....
For a typical, non-Quad-DAC phone, I realize that an aux cable between the car's head unit and the phone's headphone jack should sound better than playing music via Bluetooth due to losses from Bluetooth.
With that said, with the V30, and using an aux cable to the radio's input jack...would enabling the Quad-DAC make any difference to the sound quality? I assume that the DAC and amplifier are designed for headphone use where headphones typically have no external power other than that provided by the signal. But, while using the aux cable and going through a car's amplified radio head unit, would the DAC give you anything above what the radio itself provides? Does the fact that the radio has a powered amp negate what the V30's DAC provides?
On a similar note...my old LG Optimus G Pro (currently my EDC phone) when connected to my car via Bluetooth...when I play a song on my phone, and then play the exact same MP3 file on an iPhone, the iPhone sounds better. Cleaner, clearer, better dynamic range and stereo separation, yet it's the identical MP3 source file. Is that a hardware issue between the 2 phones, or is it a software/firmware issue?
Good question. I haven't tried it in my vehicle yet. (I use thumb drives to listen to music in my truck.) I will try and report back. You can toggle the DAC on and off.
I'm interested in me too. I listen to music in the car via bluetooth. that is, V30 connected to the car stereo.
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I don't have a V30 yet. Saving up for it right now. I do have an audio question though....
For a typical, non-Quad-DAC phone, I realize that an aux cable between the car's head unit and the phone's headphone jack should sound better than playing music via Bluetooth due to losses from Bluetooth.
With that said, with the V30, and using an aux cable to the radio's input jack...would enabling the Quad-DAC make any difference to the sound quality? I assume that the DAC and amplifier are designed for headphone use where headphones typically have no external power other than that provided by the signal. But, while using the aux cable and going through a car's amplified radio head unit, would the DAC give you anything above what the radio itself provides? Does the fact that the radio has a powered amp negate what the V30's DAC provides?
On a similar note...my old LG Optimus G Pro (currently my EDC phone) when connected to my car via Bluetooth...when I play a song on my phone, and then play the exact same MP3 file on an iPhone, the iPhone sounds better. Cleaner, clearer, better dynamic range and stereo separation, yet it's the identical MP3 source file. Is that a hardware issue between the 2 phones, or is it a software/firmware issue?
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Tl;DR - aux will usually be better than BT. Make sure your source files are high quality. And lastly, USB transfer or stream will be the best quality in almost all scenerios.
Okay, a couple basics. DAC stands for Digital to Analog Converter. Your car system has a DAC for playing digital audio files. I suspect most decent car audio systems perform better DAC than most cell phones. While it may be better than most cell phones, I doubt our V30's would be better than most new car systems.
With Aux, your phone is doing the DAC and sending an analog signal to the car. Then you car is just amplifying (as per you eq sertings). With BT, your phone sends a digital signal, which is then run through the car DAC system.
Here's where it gets complicated. There are a few different codecs that can be used to compress the transfer, and then quality settings within them. In theory, BT can be a very high quality transfer with near 320kbps sound... BUT ... You get into compatibility issues. This would very likely be why the sound from the iPhone generated playback sounded better than the other phone; it is using a different codec or higher bitrate on compression. My post is already too long but search for BT codecs if you want more detail.
A few tips. Make sure your source file is good!
General convention is that a 128 is comparable to FM radio. 160 or 192 is generally felt to be similar to CD quality.
Check the setting on your music app. In spotify, both streaming and download bitrate settings can be bumped up. Jist be aware of your potential data and storage issues.
Conclusions:
Phone DAC won't come into play for BT transfer. Hopefully your car system has the codec compatibility for high quality transfer. If so, go with that. If not, then AUX will be better.
V30 DAC seems to be high quality, and will function for aux transfers. The car system will then apply analog effects (bass/treble or EQ boosts) during amplification. You will have to play with the settings to see what sounds best to your ears.
A final consideration: Take a look at USB cable connection. A modern car audio system will likely be able to take advantage of digital transfer via USB. This may take the form of seeing your phone as file storage or may allow for your phone to stream music. Either way, assuming a good quality car system, your car can playback your high quality files without any losses that come with BT. If the DAC in your car is better than the V30, then this will be best.
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Audio DAC on the V30 is mostly better than most car stereo converter. Heck, most laptop / desktop PC have lesser DAC than the V30.
BUT, in order to use it rightfully, you need high quality audio files. No matter how good is the DAC, playing 160kbps mp3 won't make a difference... Playing 24bits flac, on the other hand, will show you the difference between them all.
If you want, you can downlaod the sample on this site to test out the result:
http://www.eclassical.com/pages/24-bit-faq.html
That being said, the V30 pluged in the AUX will most likely sound better than mp3, as long as the sourde file are higher in quality.
Some of this stuff has already been mentioned, but here's my experience. I have a rooted V20 (waiting for bootloader unlock for US998 V30 before I buy it) with V4A. I also have a $4k custom audio system in my car with an amp, subwoofer, and aftermarket speakers. I love music and it's the only reason I've bought V20.
If you use BT, V30's DAC won't be used (as has been previously mentioned in this thread). If you use AUX, it will be. In my experience, AUX provides *far* better sound quality than BT. As far as Hi-Fi DAC, I discernibly notice a difference only with lossless audio; not so much with MP3. That difference, however, is enough for me to stick to the LG V* line and not switch to google pixel, which I would have done otherwise.
You should also keep in mind that not all cars will allow you to play audio through USB-C. Digital audio through Android is not nearly as widespread supported with car manufacturers as with iPhones.
If you have a good audio system in your car, you will be happy with the sound quality of your V30 through AUX, much more so than through BT.
Just for comparaison;
AptX as a bitrate of 352kbps
AptX HD as a bitrate of 576kbps
Mp3 @ 320kbps will stream with AptX with no lost,
Flac @ 16 bits have a bitrate around 900kbps (more or less, depending on many factors, but you can average on this)
Uncompress 16bits @ 44hz stereo is ~1400kbps
The Audio Dac of the V30 can run above this.
deroth said:
Some of this stuff has already been mentioned, but here's my experience. I have a rooted V20 (waiting for bootloader unlock for US998 V30 before I buy it) with V4A. I also have a $4k custom audio system in my car with an amp, subwoofer, and aftermarket speakers. I love music and it's the only reason I've bought V20.
If you use BT, V30's DAC won't be used (as has been previously mentioned in this thread). If you use AUX, it will be. In my experience, AUX provides *far* better sound quality than BT. As far as Hi-Fi DAC, I discernibly notice a difference only with lossless audio; not so much with MP3. That difference, however, is enough for me to stick to the LG V* line and not switch to google pixel, which I would have done otherwise.
You should also keep in mind that not all cars will allow you to play audio through USB-C. Digital audio through Android is not nearly as widespread supported with car manufacturers as with iPhones.
If you have a good audio system in your car, you will be happy with the sound quality of your V30 through AUX, much more so than through BT.
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What is your opinion/experience with streaming?
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What is your opinion/experience with streaming?
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Most online streaming sources utilize same compression as MP3, so I personally don't notice much difference whether HIFI DAC is on or off. I'm sure if I was using something like Tidal for streaming, which steams lossless audio, the difference would be there.
Hey guys I was wondering if anyone in this V30 forum could help me out. I am looking to get a new device and my main interest is audio. I use my phone as my daily mp3 player in my car via Bluetooth. I cannot find any real answers anywhere I look. I am stuck between the new S9 and the V30. My main question is, does the DAC work via Bluetooth? I know the Dolby Atmos will but its not that customizable (only a few pre-set options). Can someone explain the V30's capabilities (tuning, adjusting, customizing via Bluetooth) and if you feel the S9 would be a better option for my situation? All the vids and write-ups I could find don't help at all. Thanks for any feed back, much appreciated.
The Bluetooth is digital; the DAC won't benefit you when using Bluetooth.
when playing music through the bluetooth Galaxy s9 will be a much better choice. Even on the headphones with the dolby atmos activated is really very good.
I have used both the devices and unless you are going to root LG v30 to get viper4android or Dolby Atmos s9 is the one to go
If you already have some high quality head phones then may be you can give v30 a try
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when playing music through the bluetooth Galaxy s9 will be a much better choice. Even on the headphones with the dolby atmos activated is really very good.
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why will S9 be a MUCH BETTER choice?
what makes S9 so awesome on bluetooth?
Because V30 is not the best for me in this respect and in s9 dolby atmos also works by bluetooth and really gives a great effect.
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Hey guys I was wondering if anyone in this V30 forum could help me out. I am looking to get a new device and my main interest is audio. I use my phone as my daily mp3 player in my car via Bluetooth. I cannot find any real answers anywhere I look. I am stuck between the new S9 and the V30. My main question is, does the DAC work via Bluetooth? I know the Dolby Atmos will but its not that customizable (only a few pre-set options). Can someone explain the V30's capabilities (tuning, adjusting, customizing via Bluetooth) and if you feel the S9 would be a better option for my situation? All the vids and write-ups I could find don't help at all. Thanks for any feed back, much appreciated.
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The Quad DAC is audio processor for wired components via the 3.5mm headset jack -- normally headphones but some have used auxiliary cable to connect to car stereo.
Has nothing to do with Bluetooth.
The quad DAC will give you the BEST audio possible. Period. But your headphones or car stereo must be physically connected to your V30.
Yes the V30 has also Bluetooth, just like every other Android phones for the past several years. But Bluetooth has nothing to do with headset jack.
No Bluetooth headset can match high quality wired headset with a quad DAC.
If you must use Bluetooth, then that's another question.
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Because V30 is not the best for me in this respect and in s9 dolby atmos also works by bluetooth and really gives a great effect.
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dolby atmos is not even hardware... it's software and it has been ported to oreo.
at this moment you cannot match the v30's DAC's quality with any phone.
and music through bluetooth sound like s*** compared to how it sounds through a wire... (asuming you have a good source and, in some cases, you can physically hear the difference (i met people who were slighty deaf and they could not hear the differences))
you could try poweramp with it's effects and DVC.
Do not tell me stupid about some ports because they are hopeless. I had s9 plus and dolby atmos in s9 is not the same as in the ports for other devices. There is not the smallest comparison. Even on wired headphones with s9 sounds great, there is nothing missing from it. And do not say that the V30 is such a miracle in terms of music because it is not like that at all. It plays very well when the amplifier that fills up the sound is played, without it the s9 with the dolby listens more pleasantly.
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Do not tell me stupid about some ports because they are hopeless. I had s9 plus and dolby atmos in s9 is not the same as in the ports for other devices. There is not the smallest comparison. Even on wired headphones with s9 sounds great, there is nothing missing from it. And do not say that the V30 is such a miracle in terms of music because it is not like that at all. It plays very well when the amplifier that fills up the sound is played, without it the s9 with the dolby listens more pleasantly.
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Skit, please don't drink-and-post. Put the keyboard down. Back away from the keyboard.
You're confusing two topics.
The LG V30 has far superior wired audio over any other mainstream cellphone. That's one of the calling cards. Nothing else is close. It's okay if you can't hear the difference; the S9 is better than anything you could buy a decade ago, and without really good cans (headphones), hardly anybody would notice. You won't notice with hyper-compressed 120Kbps mp3s, just as that "enhance photo" scene from the original Blade Runner was crap. But the V30 Quad-DAC really is the best... if your music was compressed with enough quality, your earphones are good enough and you're wired.
Not that kind of "wired" you are while writing your semi-coherent rants. The other kind.
Now to Bluetooth...
The LG V30 supports aptX bluetooth. So does the Samsung Galaxy S9. This is the top-end Bluetooth "codec", often coined "CD quality." Which really means, "better than FM radio, better than low-bitrate MP3, but not so great." Remember, CDs came out in 1982. Which was probably before you were born.
So what happens with the music? If you're listening via wired cans (the DAC), the Quad-DAC applies a lot of math (FFTs, smoothing, psycho acoustics) and tries to make the music as great as it can be. Roughly the equivalent of anti-aliasing an image. The S9 doesn't have all of that, so it will sound a smidge harsher, just a shade less accurate... but still better than anything a decade ago. And Bluetooth... on either one - the LG V30 and Samsung S9 have precisely exactly the same best-case aptX sound, because it's from your headphones, not the phone... will sound like something from three-and-a-half decades ago. Which was amazing at the time, and is good enough for an airplane, or low-cost earbuds, or if you're listing to hip-hop or rap, etc. But in those cases, why are you pontificating?
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Skit, please don't drink-and-post. Put the keyboard down. Back away from the keyboard.
You're confusing two topics.
The LG V30 has far superior wired audio over any other mainstream cellphone. That's one of the calling cards. Nothing else is close. It's okay if you can't hear the difference; the S9 is better than anything you could buy a decade ago, and without really good cans (headphones), hardly anybody would notice. You won't notice with hyper-compressed 120Kbps mp3s, just as that "enhance photo" scene from the original Blade Runner was crap. But the V30 Quad-DAC really is the best... if your music was compressed with enough quality, your earphones are good enough and you're wired.
Not that kind of "wired" you are while writing your semi-coherent rants. The other kind.
Now to Bluetooth...
The LG V30 supports aptX bluetooth. So does the Samsung Galaxy S9. This is the top-end Bluetooth "codec", often coined "CD quality." Which really means, "better than FM radio, better than low-bitrate MP3, but not so great." Remember, CDs came out in 1982. Which was probably before you were born.
So what happens with the music? If you're listening via wired cans (the DAC), the Quad-DAC applies a lot of math (FFTs, smoothing, psycho acoustics) and tries to make the music as great as it can be. Roughly the equivalent of anti-aliasing an image. The S9 doesn't have all of that, so it will sound a smidge harsher, just a shade less accurate... but still better than anything a decade ago. And Bluetooth... on either one - the LG V30 and Samsung S9 have precisely exactly the same best-case aptX sound, because it's from your headphones, not the phone... will sound like something from three-and-a-half decades ago. Which was amazing at the time, and is good enough for an airplane, or low-cost earbuds, or if you're listing to hip-hop or rap, etc. But in those cases, why are you pontificating?
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Just to continue the point, Bluetooth audio still requires a DAC or Digital Analog Converter. However the DAC in use when using Bluetooth audio is in the head unit of your car stereo, not in your phone. When you play music via Bluetooth, your sending a digital signal to your "headphones" (in this case your car stereo), where it pulls the muscle of converting the digital signal into an analog waveform that can be played back by your speakers. This is why the same sound file sounds different when played back through your hi-fi system when compared to your car stereo. They use different DACs.
If I'm not mistaken (if I am please correct me), Dolby Atmos is software processing applied to the digital signal before it reaches the DAC, which is why it works over Bluetooth.
Im pretty sure people have made a big mistake in their recommendation to you. The LG V30 has the high quality bluetooth audio feature along with its Quad DAC. Not just wired audio will benefit from it. Its designed for Hi-Fi bluetooth too.
The V30 has Qualcomms new aptX HD Bluetooth Codec. Which Samsung does not. LG are still retaining their place at top of the Wireless leaderboard with this device.
Samsung obviously cannot have aptX if it does not have a Qualcomm processor or chipset.
Hindustani1990 said:
I have used both the devices and unless you are going to root LG v30 to get viper4android or Dolby Atmos s9 is the one to go
If you already have some high quality head phones then may be you can give v30 a try
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Please don't post this BS information.
If you are running V4A, your Quad Dac is not working.
The music will have a down sample and an up sample.
V4A is for devices without a Quad Dac.
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Just get the V30 if you are looking for audio.
I've used the v30 before i got my s9+, the audio quality that s9 delivers is nothing compared to what i get from my V30,I still go back to my v30 when I have to listen to my favourite beats. The v30 has a hardware advantage over the samsung. And both the phones have Bluetooth 5.0 support so you won't have any troubles playing audio via Bluetooth, but if you are looking for a superrior audio quality get a LG v30 with a good set of wired earphones/headphones. Sorry for any grammatical errors, English isn't my first language.
skit777 said:
Because V30 is not the best for me in this respect and in s9 dolby atmos also works by bluetooth and really gives a great effect.
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Surprised to hear Dolby Atmos on Bluetooth. It's has to do something with speakers.
Sheephunter9000 said:
I've used the v30 before i got my s9+, the audio quality that s9 delivers is nothing compared to what i get from my V30,I still go back to my v30 when I have to listen to my favourite beats. The v30 has a hardware advantage over the samsung. And both the phones have Bluetooth 5.0 support so you won't have any troubles playing audio via Bluetooth, but if you are looking for a superrior audio quality get a LG v30 with a good set of wired earphones/headphones. Sorry for any grammatical errors, English isn't my first language.
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Also, since you wrote that post a few months ago, we now have DTS 3D Surround sound on rooted V30, since LG put the DTS framework in the phones with recent updates. DTS is available on both wired AND wireless (Bluetooth) connections.
Why rooted? Because even though the libs are there, for some reason LG hasn't yet enabled it on unrooted stock firmware. But it's still a fantastic development, as long as you have most recent firmware. @JohnFawkes is enabling it on his TWRP-flashable zips, so you don't need to anything except flash Magkisk before rebooting (which you would do anyway). If you are not using one of his zips, then use the linked Guide above.
ChazzMatt said:
The Quad DAC is audio processor for wired components via the 3.5mm headset jack -- normally headphones but some have used auxiliary cable to connect to car stereo.
Has nothing to do with Bluetooth.
The quad DAC will give you the BEST audio possible. Period. But your headphones or car stereo must be physically connected to your V30.
Yes the V30 has also Bluetooth, just like every other Android phones for the past several years. But Bluetooth has nothing to do with headset jack.
No Bluetooth headset can match high quality wired headset with a quad DAC.
If you must use Bluetooth, then that's another question.
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DTS libs though lol, doubt s9 or really any phone has anything like that over bluetooth
Hi, as mentioned in the title, I'm searching for a external microphone that will let me to record HiFi stereo sound.
Does anybody got experience with such topic?
Thanks
Is the reason being that the mic's on the device are not good enough? I believe they are among the best for phones, plus idk if you have the HD audio recorder app on your variant or model, but it does work amazingly well if you use the right settings (gain/levels). Been awhile since I read about the mic's but this phone uses more than 1 mic and they aren't junk, kinda what it was made for, idk if external mic would sound any better or not, especially w/o an expensive mic(s). But I initially bought an irig I/O audio interface that is compatible w/android for a mic or guitar with midi device and has that input and an output for recording, I got $400 worth of software included with the purchase (Amplitube 4 and more for free). BTW it is for sale and basically brand new if your interested, barely used replaced it with the 2i2) zBut for reference the irig i/o will do 24bit/96khz and the mic's and HD audio recorder on the phone will save Flac files up to 24bit/192khz. Or check out irig uo, was made for Android. I got my eye on the axe i/o which just came out for guitar recording, I wish they had these cheap modelers and Sims in the 90's, I think its awesome, I never had the money to buy the real equipment. Give some more info what your trying to do and maybe I could help more. Otherwise a usb audio interface on a PC is the way to go if you have one. Android is way behind Apple on compatible audio interfaces. I use the focusrite scarlet 2i2 that I use for my guitar with amplitube 4 amplifier Sims, it has 2 inputs for a mic and a instrument for recirding which is what (most) people use to make youtube videos. I could technically get it to work on my phone but not much to work with. Android needs to fix there audio latency issues, which is the reason companies don't bother making anything for it, getting more lately but it's not worth it imo, tons of stuff for Apple though but Ive never and will never buy an iPhone. Sorry some of that was off topic but hope I helped. Pm me if u want.
cpete2112 said:
Is the reason being that the mic's on the device are not good enough? I believe they are among the best for phones, plus idk if you have the HD audio recorder app on your variant or model, but it does work amazingly well if you use the right settings (gain/levels).
Been awhile since I read about the mic's but this phone uses more than 1 mic and they aren't junk, kinda what it was made for, idk if external mic would sound any better or not, especially w/o an expensive mic(s).
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Yeah, the ear speaker turns into a 3rd microphone during high decibel environments (like concerts).
Hi.
Internal mics might be good but I need a professional microphone with a wind and noise protection and higher sensitivity, kinda the same they use on DSLRs.
I would like to use it for recording sound samples (nature, forest, etc)
Cheers
A good usb mic and a USB interface is all you need then. Make sure the interface is compatible with whatever your using. The irig i/o would work with Android or the other one I mentioned above. I'LL sell it cheap to you if your interested.
You'll need a TRS to TRRS adapter youtu.be/rXBP5Kos-VE?t=271
01eg.art said:
You'll need a TRS to TRRS adapter youtu.be/rXBP5Kos-VE?t=271
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Thank you!
To connect a stereo microphone (or 2 mono microphones with a Y splitter) to your phone you need this adapter:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005K9WNPG
Since this has a USB A plug, you need an adapter cable to convert the plug to USB C. Something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Thunderbolt-Compatible-Chromebook-Pixelbook-Microsoft/dp/B07KR45LJW
Then if you're using an app that can handle stereo recording you should be good to go.